doom-2016

[elder meadow]

Regular Gauss shot can 1 tap a Shield Soldier. While a full charged Precision Bolt does not.

Does that mean that Precision Bolt does less damage than regular Gauss shot?

[noble moat]

Could be the precision doesn’t have “pierce”

Doesn’t pierce the shield only a normal shot does

[elder meadow]

Could be i suppose.

Think i might start my Chad Ultra Nightmare run soon.

[noble moat]

I decided I have enough practice fixing my sensitivity so I am too

[elder meadow]

You on Switch right?

[noble moat]

I have until eternal comes out so I got like a million years to finish

Yeah

[elder meadow]

Well i wish you luck.

I have my huge azz screen coming tomorrow. So i will probably start at the end of the week.

[noble moat]

The last time I tried was with my broken joycons.
Made it to vega core destroyed

Right controller aimed a rocket at my feet. Left controller stopped me in front of a pinky.

You know the rest =/

[elder meadow]

No ammo runes
No BFG
No Siege Gauss (at all)
No equipment
No powerups

Did i miss anything?

[noble moat]

No holo

[elder meadow]

holo is equipment

Tbh i never use equipment by default so i should be fine.

I think no power ups will be the biggest issue. Cause there are some areas where they can be really necessary.

[noble moat]

So no siphon grenades for healing?

[elder meadow]

Nope.

[noble moat]

Rough, I hate how in 2016 once hurt you are forced to play more passive

I can’t wait for eternal with its push through mentality

[elder meadow]

Well that is one area where i can respect Doom 2016 more than Eternal.

You should not get hurt to begin with.

And if you do, you will have to work to regain back your lost health and armor.

Where as in Eternal, you can ignite and glory kill 2 zombies and you are back at full stack.

[noble moat]

Yes but I don’t like the mentality that if I get sniped from across the map for 90 hp I now have to hide until my siphons return, since a GK gives nothing and armor drops are non existent

I would rather have eternals reward for rushing the enemy while at 5hp to stay in the fight

You are right. You “shouldn’t” get hit. But when you do it’s passive time ru away time

Well I died

2 Imp hit hit me from crossmap so I was forced to GK
5 GK in a row still didn’t have enough HP to survive an imp fireball

This is what I hate most about 2016 ( besides not being able to replay the first half of the game)

The only thing stopping me from actually going hardcore for UN is how ridiculously boring the first 4 maps are

Then argent tower gives me anxiety because if I fall game over

[elder meadow]

I really cannot wait for that TV to arrive honestly.

Curious on how the "cinematic" rendering mode will perform there.

[pliant mauve]

I'm making an attempt on doom 2016 UV difficulty

I beat it on HMP fairly well

[noble moat]

GL

[pliant mauve]

I'm already on the second/third le vel

[pliant mauve]

Definitely adapting quickly to playing UV

[dark ridge]

does anyone even play doom 2016 multiplayer anymore?

like I cannevr find a lobby

never

[soft crest]

on pc I believe there still are people playing, but only the team modes

[dark ridge]

really?

oh yeah lol

just found a game

[pliant mauve]

I play doom 2016 snap mode

[dark ridge]

yh

[flint dune]

Same here. I used to play the MP as well, but it’s dead now

[dark ridge]

I just made my first map

[flint dune]

Nice

[dark ridge]

do you get the docs for free?

dlcs*

[flint dune]

Yes the dlc is free but it’s just Multiplayer dlc

[dark ridge]

yh

I was excited because I thought it was story

what do you get?

isn't it demons?

[flint dune]

Yeah some cosmetics and a new demon iirc. Eternal will have story DLC thankfully

[pliant mauve]

Yo if anyone here plays snap mode. I'm down for some games

[dark ridge]

i cant find the demon you get

[pliant mauve]

Which one are you talking about? The dlc for doom 2016?

If its for 2016 you get demonic armor set dlc, 6 metallic textures for your cosmetics and 6 hack modules that were retired on update 6.66. Doom eternal you get the DOOT demon for multiplayer via preorder

Its demonic themed armor lol

[supple finch]

for 2016's dlc the demons you get are harvester, spectre and cacodemon

you also get the emg mk v, reaper and grenade launcher weapons

threat pulse, kinetic mine and 1 other utlity that I can't remember

[pliant mauve]

Demon rune?

Or demon control grensde

Sounds like a utility

[whole elm]

People still play the multiplayer in US severs on ps4

[elder meadow]

Hello i started to play doom 2016 mp and what does original 16 mean?

[flint dune]

Not sure what you mean. That phrase may be referring to Doom 4, which was scrapped for Doom 2016.

[errant bloom]

Thank god.

[pliant mauve]

Doom 2016 Ultra Violence is definitely good practice run to get better at the game

[autumn prism]

doom 2016 isn't even doom 4

its like the 5th main line game lol

[noble moat]

6 if you count every doom made including 3
5 if you don’t count 3 as the slayer story ( which it isn’t apart of)
4 if you count final doom as just an expansion to 2

[keen veldt]

Hello i started to play doom 2016 mp and what does original 16 mean?
@elder meadow They bought the game in 2016.

DLC's for 2016 included ~3 maps, a gun, a demon, custom taunts, custom patterns, and custom colors.

doesn't really matter though as iD was kind enough to give us DLC's free in 2016.

[abstract isle]

I completed a UV run recently and I preferred it to HMP, still feels a bit easy once you get the right runes but great fun to play

Although now I need to do a 100% nightmare run

[noble moat]

GL. Nightmare is much harder than UV

But I prefer nightmare over the other difficulties

[abstract isle]

Good, I had no deaths on UV until the guards, forgot they could be stunned

And it sounds like a fun challenge from what I've seen

[noble moat]

Most enemies do 100+ damage on Nightmare

Imps speed fireballs do 30-40. Their charged fireballs do 75

[abstract isle]

Yikes, so dodging will be a big priority

[noble moat]

Oh yeah

[abstract isle]

I'd say the aerial rune would be useful then but I tend to prioritise glory kill runes and the ammo/armour runes

gets really good synergy

[noble moat]

Personally I don’t use the armor or ammo runes

And I don’t upgrade my ammo with argent cells either

Having the smaller ammo count forces more weapon switch and ammo prioritization

[abstract isle]

After eternal, we get spoiled for ammo on 2016

[noble moat]

Haven’t played eternal. But always felt 60 shotgun shells was wrong

[abstract isle]

But the power trip is fun so can't complain, 2016 was less focused on strategic gun play and more on haha gun go brr

[flint dune]

Yeah that’s why some people don’t like Eternal. It’s not really a game that you can play super casually. You need to be focused.

[abstract isle]

Yeah, 2016 is a much more casual experience but Eternal is still just as fun

[elder meadow]

@abstract isle Just do not use the ammo runes. Ammo (esp for Gauss) will become much harder to get and you will be forced to use the chainsaw quite often if you want to keep using plasma weapons.

As for ammo capacity, i do still upgrade it because i shoot 6 guns every 4 seconds, and as such, kinda require all the ammo to not be stuck to shotguns for half of the game.

[keen veldt]

Eternal is definitely more hands on, which is really fun when it's 10 in the morning on a weekend, but not so much after a long day.

I could go on about Eternal vs. 2016, they are both good games, just have differences that make some people play eternal and others 2016.

One example is customization.

[velvet spoke]

Doom multiplayer wouldn't work for me but I made sure my NAT type was open and it works!

[abstract isle]

@velvet spoke what do you play on?

Oh yeah the chainsaw is very underused when you have ammo runes

[velvet spoke]

Xbox one

I wish I played on PC tho

[elder meadow]

Ok umm

For some reason i have been getting ridiculous endless combat bugs recently.

Just got another one in the last arena of Lazarus.

And been getting one constantly on the first Wraith Arena in Argent D'Nur

[flint dune]

Sounds fun though, ngl

[elder meadow]

Umm no?
Do you even know what that bug means?

[flint dune]

Do you mean the combat is over but the music is still going and you’re still locked in. Yeah that sucks. It sounded like you were saying a constant wave of demons were continuously spawning.

[elder meadow]

Yes, that one.

[flint dune]

Ah, yeah that’s no fun

[noble moat]

Dang I wish there was a continuous spawn of demons bug

[elder meadow]

Does summoner have a limit on how much demons she can spawn?

[flint dune]

I think 3 or 4? I could be wrong

[noble moat]

II think it’s infinite until you kill her

Oh at a time. Yeah 3-4 sounds right

[abstract isle]

I had that on Vega core

[elder meadow]

Vega core is the most common one. I had it happen 2 times there as well.
But Lazarus and Wraith are new.

[pseudo bobcat]

can anyone help with a few pc bugs?

It crashes everytime I try to load from a checkpoint, but when I turn my computer off and on it starts working again.

[reef kelp]

Jesus who the fuck though rune trials were a good idea

They are infuriating but I have to complete them all for an achievement

Saving throw and rich get richer are easily the most annoying challenges I’ve seen

[velvet spoke]

the rune trials are pretty easy tbh

[abstract isle]

They're not that hard, they take a few tries but they're doable

also saving throw and rgr are overpowered so they should be a challenge

[velvet spoke]

i dont have saving throw and rgr because it's overpowered and it doesn't make it fun

[abstract isle]

Haha, chaingun go brr

yeah it does take the challenge out but definitely not the fun

[dark ridge]

i beat doom 2016 in 8 hours

and in 2016 dlc you only get armor?

[abstract isle]

And demons, maps, guns etc

But Cyberdemon armour is sick as heck

[vast pawn]

Gates > trials

[high raptor]

Anyone know any good snapmaps that are similar to psychotron

Or whatever it’s called

[flint dune]

Devil City Ransom is pretty fun and a few others that I can’t remember the names of.

[soft crest]

01 (something in caps) is fantastic. I think you cn find it just typing 01 in search, should be the beginning of a (about) six part campaign

@high raptor there is a list of great snapmaps on r/snapmap, here is link to that list: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OqiiH-SLw-vY4acZQAvKFDXUw758NHohEXsn3SF8m-A/edit?usp=sharing the ones I tried were pretty great, but be aware its pretty long

[high raptor]

im gonna have to look at that

thanks

[soft crest]

no problem

[fallen badge]

Anyone wanna play ps4

[reef kelp]

I tried the saving throw trial like 30 times yesterday

Got it on my second attempt today

[reef kelp]

Also the cyber demon charge attack is cheese

[noble moat]

Just gauss dash it

[reef kelp]

Lol I figured that out after dying twice

I didn’t think any gun would stop it besides the bfg

[noble moat]

Yeah once you learn gauss dashing cyber is a pretty easy fight. Just spongy

[reef kelp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/533081787245658113/725102018221441184/image0.jpg

Why do I hear boss music

[supple finch]

i was about to ask why were you using micro missiles then i remembered it's actually the better mod in 2016

i've been playing too much eternal, fuck

[reef kelp]

I chain it with the explosive shot

Kinda op tbh

Once you finish firing one the other is recharged

So it’s just brbrbrbrbrbr plunk brbrbrbrbrbr plunk

[open tundra]

is it possible to play together on nintendo switch pvp

[restive nacelle]

google^^

[noble moat]

A switch can only play with switch

[elder meadow]

i just died to a possessed in ultra nightmare

[open tundra]

gg i have before aswell i wanted to throw my controllar

[noble moat]

To be fair they do 60 damage per whack

And sometimes do a rapid 2 hit

[final hamlet]

I just remembered that i'm stuck on Kadingir Sanctum (Nightmare)

[noble moat]

Oh yeah that level is a true Test for people not fully comfortable with nightmare

[elder meadow]

why?

what is special about it?

[flint dune]

Can’t quite remember, I haven’t played 2016’s campaign in a while, but I’m pretty sure that level spikes in difficulty.

[ornate basin]

It introduces the meatballs

They suck in 2016

[noble moat]

Kadingir is when they toss cacos, mancubus, hellknights, revs, and summoners.

It adds a good chunk of these together at once. Plus introduces the baron of hell

Compared to argent tower, which is a cake walk. Kadingir is when the game goes like “ this is doom. So buckle in”

[modest zealot]

How did I not notice a Doom 2016 demo

[reef kelp]

Kadingr was a shock to me

But ARC and Lazarus labs were alright

I just wasn’t expecting the difficulty spike

[elder meadow]

I saw someone to die to Unwilling on UN in Argent D'Nur.

Imagine getting to the last level and dying to an Unwilling

[keen veldt]

F

[modest zealot]

BrUH

ThE game's c r o n c h

Even on Vega 8 this shit kicks ass

Wish I got more than the Demo though...

[reef kelp]

You don’t have the game?

You can get it for 20 bucks online, probably 10 for a physical copy on amazon

[modest zealot]

That's 1000 pesos in Philippine currency. No

Also I bought Dusk first so um

My parents won't let me buy games over 500 or smth

Besides are there physical copies for PC?

Like ones with an unlock code or smth?

[reef kelp]

Hmm idk

Idk what the Filipino economy is like but is that a lot

[modest zealot]

It can feed a family of three for an entire week

And about 80% of the country's paid minimum wage

Because all the money's being used for the shenanigans of corrupt politicians

I might get it on my birthday, alongside a better Graphics Card, but that's still in September...

Schools here start at August

And it's overall an agonizing wait

[reef kelp]

Yikes

How do you get that much food

With that much money

[silent gust]

Can we talk about other stuff?

[modest zealot]

Well I mean my parents aren't the 80%

Only problem was my grandma

Yeah she uhm...

Nevermind that's too much of a bummer

Especially the hospital fee

[elder meadow]

https://prnt.sc/t5qwv6 can someone tell me what is this ?

[grand sun]

Dlc for doom?

[elder meadow]

yeah but what is it for

[grand sun]

All of them for multi-player, cosmetics and demons

[elder meadow]

i thought it was needed for multiplayer

[grand sun]

And they made all of them free

[noble moat]

^

[elder meadow]

damn

[elder meadow]

@elder meadow It gave you demons to play as in multiplayer. But since all the DLC were made free, it is irrelevant now.

[clever dew]

Honestly glad the DLC became free because $15 just to play as one demon and 3 more maps is just ridiculous.

Still wished the DLC had some SP levels in them 😦

[soft crest]

@clever dew there were 3 dlcs, not sure how priced, but in total it were 3 guns, 3 demons and I think 9 maps

I believe you meant the season pass, but again I dont know how the price were

[clever dew]

$40 season pass, $15 for each DLC individually

1 gun, 1 demon, and 3 maps each

[soft crest]

ah ok, well thats overpriced af, sorry

[noble moat]

Yeah kinda was

[velvet spoke]

how come sometimes I can't find a match for hours and other times I find a match right off the bat

[elder meadow]

depends what gamemode you choose

[noble moat]

And time of day

[velvet spoke]

I'm in a team death match lobby and no one has joined in an hour

Also it's 1:53pm-4:52pm in north America servers so idk why I'm not getting a match

[elder meadow]

does anyone know how long does it take to get max rank in multiplayer?

[elder meadow]

I know it took like 3 months for me

I think at least i am not sure

But obviously its all about how much you play everyday and how good you are

[elder meadow]

I started 3 or 4 days ago and i am already secund thingy and around lvl 10

[noble moat]

Yeah they increased exp earnings

Goes faster if you use bounty rune

[abstract isle]

It doesn't take too long

If you get your challenges done you get more exp

[modest zealot]

Just finished up until Kandigr Sanctum

And holy. shit

It's fucking tasty as all hell

[elder meadow]

oh hello

[modest zealot]

hi

[noble moat]

Doom 2016 is currently $6 on steam for those wondering if they want to pick it up

Usd

[velvet spoke]

i bought doom 2016 for $6 before eternal came out

[modest zealot]

Alright

SO I haven't been game-ended by a Baron

Well technically I did twice

But the first one was because I was Glory-Killing another

It was a really great idea to start this on Ultra-Violence

There's so much Kablooeys

[elder meadow]

i got it a few days before the steam sale because i forgot about the sale

rip like

$15

[vast pawn]

Can't blame it just started some hours ago and there wasn't a Summer one each year

But damn some nice deals there

[elder meadow]

i only have $5 left now for steam so i might as well get doom 2 since i already have the 1st

[keen veldt]

most of the community plays on zandronum or gzdoom so I would get doom 2 purely for the legal copy of doom2.wad rather than play it on steam.

the steam version of a game is a wreck compared to the other FREE source ports

[vast pawn]

Truly, even when I got the Steam one in huge deal (technically almost free) I feel wrecked for it haha

GZDoom ftw

[compact stratus]

I miss 2016's multiplayer.

[fresh tiger]

I miss death animations from this game

I think Eternal does not have death animations like 2016

[elder meadow]

I playing this game on very low because my pc is trash but not potato because i can playe 1999-2015 games on normal

How... odd... I Respect that

More old game better settings

[ripe lion]

Harvester is my main demon

[elder meadow]

i like revenants and hell knights

[elder meadow]

Slowmode 😭

[acoustic raft]

The ending pissed me off so much

We basically killed demons for no reason well besides defending mars

[soft crest]

@acoustic raft aand saving humans, aand stopping the invasion, aand saving mars from exploding, aand so on

[modest zealot]

The classic maps are a real ass kick I gotta say

[noble moat]

In this game? Not really no

It’s pretty dead. Only the same few people play and it’s at certain times

It’s 4 years old and even 4 years ago it wasn’t well received, it’s no surprise really

[hushed storm]

i spent like 30 minutes in foundry but all i had to do was jump on a place i didnt know i could jump to

[red flume]

the first time I played 2016 I was super high on PCP and got lost in Argent Facility for like 4 hours before finally giving up

Good times

[elder meadow]

its at $6 right now, should i get it?

[noble moat]

Yeah it’s good

[sweet dew]

I got no clue why I'm here

[lost pivot]

@weary field what system? I'm on ps4

I play the pvp sometimes... not well but still play lol.
Made a little murder compilation video a while back
https://youtu.be/A2R3moDXngU

[safe portal]

Super noob to doom 2016 on pc: how do you view key mappings? Bought and played multiplayer today and couldn't for the life of me figure out how throw grenades 😅

[hushed storm]

its at $6 right now, should i get it?
@elder meadow yes

@safe portal press esc go to option click mouse and keyboard then click customize keybinds

[rare edge]

I just bought it and it's really good so far

[hushed storm]

very good

i also just bought it and i have 4 hours on it

[rare edge]

I have over 6

I've always listened to the OST on Spotify and saw it was on sale for a steal

[hushed storm]

a steal and a big deal

i always was playing the demo over and over again just thinking about the full game

[vast pawn]

Ye now's a great chance to take it

[hushed storm]

this was the best game reboot ever

[vast pawn]

2016 introduces you to the modern Doom so nicely

DE just makes it on steroids

[hushed storm]

on steroids and ptsd

[vast pawn]

But worth once you stick/get to learn

[hushed storm]

my only doom 2016 pet peeve is the chainsaw ammo

if it recharged on its own it would be cool but i have to hunt for jerry cans everywhere

[vast pawn]

if it recharged on its own
One reason already why you'll love DE

2016's tho was better to not actually recharge.

[noble moat]

Oh dont sorry about chainsaw in 2016
Gives you enough ammo to feed an army of titans

[vast pawn]

It would simplify even more. In DE it actually makes sense on contrary.

And as Bob said exactly

Especially when you just go full ammo upgrading.

[noble moat]

Maxed armor upgrade lets you hold 60 shotgun rounds

[hushed storm]

i really only use the chainsaw for hell knights and summoners

rest is just shooty shoots

or ripping and tearing

[vast pawn]

Ye 60 in comparison to 24 now was ludicrous

[noble moat]

Personally I don’t upgrade my ammo

Let’s me use the chainsaw as it was intended

[vast pawn]

Indeed

[scarlet gorge]

Indeed!

[hushed storm]

i just now got the ssg when i was playing and like damn i can take down olivia pierce fast

[vast pawn]

SSG was ridicilous in 2016

[rare edge]

What’s the average run time for the campaign

I’m 10 hours in

[noble moat]

11-12

[rare edge]

oh ok so I’m towards the end

[noble moat]

What level ya at

[rare edge]

Right after you get the BFG

[noble moat]

You have 4 more levels

[safe portal]

@hushed storm you da real mvp thx buddy

[modest zealot]

Goddamn

I've been playing for 17 hours

So I tried the Cyberdemon fight again with OP shit

Didn't die once

So that's pretty telling of how easy the game gets with maxed out stuff

[blissful imp]

Yeah

[modest zealot]

Which is why this wasn't my first boss battle with him

Nah. I didn't have OP stuff when I first fought him not only because I didn't want to, but I also... didn't find all the secrets...

[blissful imp]

F

I mean certain secret are hard to get

[modest zealot]

Also because I didn't give a single hoot

Say the thing and I'll blow your face off with a Shotgun

Look I just wanted to kill demons and see if I really can destroy a Baron with 6 separate weapons

I uh... forgot to do that... and I just Gauss Cannon + Grenade shot his ass

no

You're just too fucking dense

ok I'm sorry : (

[blissful imp]

Doot

[past sage]

i got doom 2016 on pc from the steam summer sale even though i already beat it on xbox one

[covert shale]

Doom 2016 is....

Cool

[modest zealot]

Too bad I got it the day before the Summer Sale

It's still an epic game tho

[past sage]

yeah

[placid thicket]

its AU$10.48

yet i bought it on disc in 2016

[modest zealot]

That would be neat if people actually played multiplayer

[rare edge]

Just beat the game and dang it's amazing

It's got that dumb action movie type vibe going on that I just love

[elder meadow]

i am close to end

just beated cyberdemon

[elder meadow]

I beat all DOOM Games

nice

i just unlocked ultra nightmare

[rare edge]

I’m currently on nightmare

‘tis a test of skill

[noble moat]

GL

[rare edge]

I also didn’t know you could do classic DOOM weapon style until I started this run

[elder meadow]

Neither did I until I saw the option

[rare edge]

I saw it on a YouTube video and went through the options to see if I could find it

It helps a lot with not covering the right side of the screen

[noble moat]

Personally I don’t like it. Takes up too much screen and makes aim wonky

[rare edge]

All preference

[noble moat]

Yes. That’s why I said personally

UN run first attempt since getting a controller. At argent energy tower

And onto Kadingir I go

[blissful imp]

You will die on Kadingir tbh

[noble moat]

Well I’ve gotten past there multiple times already

But yeah Kadingir is the UN test killer in 2016

[blissful imp]

Yeaj

[noble moat]

Of course I make some stupid mistake like walking off the ledge of course I did

[elder meadow]

damn i fell few times cause i am stupid and if it was ultra nightmare run i would be so mad lol

[blissful imp]

Rip

[elder meadow]

Tried doing UN run in Eternal. Got killed by purple goo in Exultia.
Might be a sign that i should come back to 2016.

[flint dune]

Personal opinion, 2016’s UN is harder

[elder meadow]

Probably is.
Will find out once i get to pass through the goddamn cultist base.

[soft crest]

2016s un is less fair

[noble moat]

Eternal gives you millions of more options to heal and destroy weak points

Plus more movement options

2016 has less options op imps and much less ways to heal

[flint dune]

Basically if your HP drops below 80 on Nightmare, you’re pretty much screwed.

Unless you get lucky

[noble moat]

Proceeds to GK for 5 hp

Gets hit by an imo speed ball for 30

[red flume]

send imps to the MLB

[soft crest]

A little detail is the last 10 hp is actually double the size

Wow, super low health rewards are the one thing I despised in Rage2, its like they forgot the system of higher health if you low.

[elder meadow]

Ok real talk here

I do not understand how you can hit by a charged Imp ball after GK since imps are forced to cancel their charge immediatly and wait for you to finish your GK before doing any other action.

[soft crest]

If they are in middle of an action they cant stop

[elder meadow]

Only thing that can indeed hit you after GK and the thing that you cannot avoid is Soldier Bomb.

[soft crest]

They cant begin any new action

[elder meadow]

They do stop tho. I have seen it every single time i do a GK and there is an imp in sight.

I am 101% sure of what i just said.

[soft crest]

Also only four demons can be after you at once in 2016 (I think)

Rest is instructed to miss you no matter what

[elder meadow]

Doubt. Go to the first Gore Nest in Lazarus and you will notice that all 20 imps there are coming for your booty.

[soft crest]

There is some queue system in the bacground or something like that, super complex to talk about here. I recommend the video from AI in Games

[elder meadow]

Eitherway, i am not sure how aggro AI works, but i am 100% certain that Imps will cancel their charging fireball if you do a GK.

[soft crest]

*from AI and Games

[elder meadow]

I watched that video. There were however some points that did not seem to add up.

But that could be a margin of error, or difficulty.

[soft crest]

That is very much possible

[elder meadow]

Such as Baron and Cyber Mancubus having a perfect tracking regardless of where you are moving.

[soft crest]

I guess the system prioritizes heavier demons such as Baron, manc or hk

[elder meadow]

And every demon on the map, generally being agressive towards me.

[soft crest]

It is meant to be hard to spot in game, an illusion

[elder meadow]

I obviously cannot keep track of 10 imps at once, to see which one AFKs and which one does not.
But the heavy demons never hesitated to throw everything they got at me in any situation.

Aside from Mancubus actually.

That one can straight up go into braindead mode.

[soft crest]

If I understood, i think 4 or 5 nearest demons are after you BUT heavy demons get a pass before lesser ones

Manc is so boring im 2016

[elder meadow]

Cyber Mancubus however seems to have the biggest brain most of the time.

[soft crest]

It is also possible the rule only applied to fodder demons

Like imp or soldier

[elder meadow]

I think that could be it.

The only heavy demon i know that sometimes just AFKs is the regular Mancubus.

Like, even if a Cacodemon spawns on other side of the map, he will start shooting you.

Same goes for Pinkies.

[soft crest]

Yeah

I think a system like this also is in Eternal. Afks doesnt mean it stands in one place, more or less doesnt attack

[elder meadow]

Demons seem to be way more aggressive in Eternal tbh

[soft crest]

They are

[elder meadow]

But that could be because they falter way less.

In 2016, a few bullets could stop a Hellknight in place.

[flint dune]

No they are actually a lot more aggressive in Eternal. Attacks are faster, heavies don’t falter as easily. Yeah.

[soft crest]

Yes they are more aggresive, but I dont think I had more than four fireballs at me in the Exultia gate

[flint dune]

The only demon that is less aggressive in Eternal is probably the Imp.

[soft crest]

This system probably only applies to fodder demons

Lol, reminds me how an imp kept running away from me on HoE. the ai ran wild

[elder meadow]

Happens in 2016 as well. Can get pretty annoying and pretty hilarious.

[radiant abyss]

Doom 1036!

[soft crest]

To be specific it was in the last Arachnotron. He kept jumping between the gaps and I was ALL out of ammo.

[elder meadow]

Esp if it happens on first level when you only got the shotgun.

You have an Imp running and a Doomguy running behind him poking him with shotgun from afar.

[soft crest]

I needed to catch him but I just couldnt get close to him, always on the other side

The best thing was how stressful it was because I had like 5hp and if I dropped down into lava the un would be over

[elder meadow]

Off topic but i gotta say, this new Steam customization is very good.

[flint dune]

The most annoying thing is when an enemy jumps up on a ledge when you jump down from it, then you jump back up to get it but it jumps down again.

[elder meadow]

Still debating on wether i should get the Eternal emotes tho tbh.

Like i am not sold on this childish nonsense that Eternal has going right now.

[soft crest]

Eternal emotes?

[flint dune]

I saw one, it had Doomguy riding a Cacodemon.

[soft crest]

How, why, where?

[flint dune]

I don’t know. I just saw someone post it. I don’t use my steam account very often

[soft crest]

Cowboy doomguy riding a pinky

[elder meadow]

https://prnt.sc/t82g7u

[flint dune]

Oh yeah the Arachnotron one

[soft crest]

Why is this a thing

[elder meadow]

For same reason we had the Unicorn Slayer a few months ago.

[soft crest]

Is it like a summer event

[elder meadow]

Summer Sale

[soft crest]

With these stickers

I know its summer sale, but I rather dont even open steam right now

[elder meadow]

You get points by buying stuff.
You can then spend your points on these.

[soft crest]

So kinda like the Nintendo coins thing

Except its for useless stuff

Other than more games

[elder meadow]

Valve did such events before.

This time they are offering quite a few more permament stuff tho.

Like in Wintersale you could have a custom animated background but it would expire eventually.

[soft crest]

I remember some stuff but not like this. I like the spring cleaning events

Gives me a reason to return to games

[elder meadow]

I am doing achievements hunting now.

Replaying Doom 3 for like 25th time

[soft crest]

I rarely replay games, and its even more rare i finish the replay

[elder meadow]

Before i played Dota... but i rather not remind myself of that.

Game turned me into a toxic asshole. And even tho i perfectly understand why, i still did not like who i had become and it took me quite a lot of will force to change my personality.

[soft crest]

Im honestly scared of becoming something like that. Not that I dont have other shit about myself to deal with.

[elder meadow]

Now all i have left is the good old games to hunt down the achievements in.
At least until i happen to find an online game that is not Fortnite and that i can play with a few buddies together.

My reasons for being toxic were absolutely right...
But in the end it only made me look worse.

Regardless of how many times i was right.

You see when other people are constantly preventing you from having fun in the game you love and play... it does get on your nerves.

Now imagine enduring that for 3000+ hours.

[soft crest]

It doesnt matter if are right or wrong, all that matters is how the world sees you. Sooner you learn that, better you go

[elder meadow]

Ehh can't agree with that. The reason i tried so hard to let my toxicity go is because i disliked myself and i absolutely cannot allow that to happen.

Random people around me are not in the right to judge me. And as such, their opinion matters little to me.

[soft crest]

Yes that too ofc, i meant it in a discussion.

[elder meadow]

But when you yourself do not like what you have become... then you indeed have a problem.

[soft crest]

You can be right about something, but if the majority disagrees no matter how you try you wont turn them.

You should be happy with your life, if you are not you should strive to change it. I think this is a good rule to remind yourself everyonce in a while

[elder meadow]

Actually heck, if you have been in this server long enough, you may remember some of the lesser fun discussions i had with people here.

[soft crest]

I do

A community that is convinced they are right is a community you want to avoid. Even worse if the community is divided in a war of ideals (ehm, ehm, Star Wars)

[elder meadow]

Had to avoid #doom-eternal for that reason for a while tbh

[soft crest]

You dont like eternal much if i got it right

[elder meadow]

God that place was so bad when Eternal launched...

Well, things changed after a while.

I learned a few tricks that monody was bothering to tell me.

That made the game.. making much more sense.

[soft crest]

I had tp avoid that place for my owm good, my order got delayed and the last thing i wanted is to get it spoiled right before it arrives

It was such a mess around launch, so many people ignoring spoiler rules

[elder meadow]

I tried to play it with weapon spamming like i played Doom 2016. And when that resulted in me being demolished because i could not swap weapons fast enough... yeah that kinda sucked

Add to that the Cultist Base level, graphics downgrade and kinda a shit story...

And well those are the reasons Eternal left a negative impression on me.

[soft crest]

Personally I loved the story in Eternal, imo was a giant upgrade upon 2016. You can disagree.

[elder meadow]

But luckily i gave it another chance and eventually figured everything out.

This is a bit of an odd situation where i was wrong about hating Eternal, but the fanboys were also defending Eternal for the wrong reasons.

I made a huge post on why i generally dislike Eternal story. Have you read it?

[soft crest]

No. Most hate was about ammo and platforming no?

What post

[elder meadow]

Lemme see if i can track it down.

Read the bottom part first.

https://prnt.sc/t82thc

[soft crest]

Interesting read, I dunno I was mpre than satisfied. I felt the Arc complex was that scarecrow moment with high stakes. Sure you dont see any human soldiers fighting the horde, but tbh what tactician madman would let their limited soldier resources fight in a unwinnable fight.

[elder meadow]

Marauder was probably the biggest flop for me.

"Yall noticed he kinda looks like the Slayer? That's pretty cool, theres a story behind it."
-Hugo (Quakecon 2018)

In the end it is just a possessed Sentinel... And just one of many.

[soft crest]

If you dont understand why it was on arc, he is to prepare you for the higher dufficulty. Like many minibosses he is to test your skills if you are good enough to pass onto next areas. This is a very common design in open world games, and also quite common in linear games.

Not possessed, a servant of Khan maykr. He is one of your brothers on the different side of baricade

[elder meadow]

Meh, time to take nap. Have work tomorrow.

Have a nice day (or night)

[soft crest]

Goodnight

But to kinda close this, I think the marauder thing was kinda a preparation for the Gladiator fight

[soft crest]

Lol

[errant bloom]

Aryzon has good points regarding the story. But yeah its just a game. If you enjoy it you enjoy it. If not - why bother? Just play what you like? Just dont mention it in the chat regarding the game. Because people also get offended quickly if SOMEONE dares say a negative thing. Amirite gamers? I do have a few gripes with Eternal. But so do i have with 2016 before and especially AFTER Eternal. No game is perfect. As long its fun thats all that matters. You know whats not fun? Rune trails.

[soft crest]

In all honesty rune trials shouldve been kept in Eternal

To every rune thered be trial tied to

[errant bloom]

Slayer gates/secret encounters are kinda rune trails

But without being idk those weird mini games

[soft crest]

Nah, they are optional encounters. Dont challenge you in a specific way

[errant bloom]

I mean rune trails just break up the flow of 2016 tbh. Everytime i see them i think "Gosh do i really need to leave this place and have a loading screen for a small area?"

[soft crest]

Secret hunting breaks the flow, but not trials

[errant bloom]

False. Secret hunting is within the journey. Trails literally put you out the mission for a while.

[soft crest]

I dont think you know what flow is

[errant bloom]

Im talking loading screen here

Oh i sure you know.

[soft crest]

Loading screens I understand, but imo the pacing in 2016 and eternal is destroyed when you arent progressing and just cluelesdly finding a lever

But they take like 5 seconds

So its not a big deal

[errant bloom]

Idrc aslong they dont put me out of the mission itself. I for one enjoy those moments. I sometimes just enjoy the view and how the level looks. Walking slowly. I enjoyed Foundry very much for that.

One of my favourite levels.

What i DONT enjoy is unavoidable goo like in exultia

Now THATS a flow breaker amirite gamers

[soft crest]

Whatcha talking about, the goo was amazing! It changed the flow

[errant bloom]

The goo sure was flowing

I like it in Arc very much tho

Because it punishes you if you dont stay on yo toes

[soft crest]

And in exultia it didnt?

[errant bloom]

Well im just talking the first tunnel

But thats the introduction

[soft crest]

Game gave you dash, then took it away. I liked that

[errant bloom]

Every encounter after that is avoidable. But much more with Meathook. But you dont have meathook in exultia

[soft crest]

Yes and?

[errant bloom]

ARCs Purple Goo is perfect tho.

[soft crest]

You have to kill demon before they get to you. That was like the whole thing about that section. Made you think differentaly

In most cases you can avoid, in that section you cant. You need to kill it before it does you

[errant bloom]

Yeah. It was its introduction. But i like it being a punishment for not staying the air or smth. Although i like the tunnel in arc aswell.

Im not having really a gripe against purple goo. I was joking. But my opinion on it is like i said.

But this is 2016

[soft crest]

Yes, i like how mods keep tracking #doom-eternal , but other channels are pretty much ignored if theyre on topic or not

[noble moat]

Yes and no, we track all channels. It just so happens eternal chat is the most active. So when more people go off topic it really derails.
In other chats usually they mention something else for 2-3 min to prove some point or concept and then circle back

[soft crest]

and then you have this channel that went offtopic for 2 hours
Not that I complain, you doing good job mostly. This is a healthy server.

[red flume]

I understand it from a moderation stand point but having to move channels often kills conversations and I like the "side" channels having slightly more freedom to talk about whatever, as long as they eventually get back on topic.

[noble moat]

My rule of thumb is usually ~5 min off topic

5 min tends to be the sweet spot for someone making a super roundabout point about a topic

[meager tide]

Lol that was funny reading back through this chat, an off topic discussion about off topic discussions that derail channels, derailing this channel 🥳🥳🥳

[red flume]

you love to see it

[neon kestrel]

This makes me wonder. if I can finish Plutonia, a hard as fuck Doom, then can I tank through Ultra-Nightmare on doom 16?

[vast pawn]

Thing is 2016 plays differently, but due to how ridiculous some of the mods and SSG are, you should be able to. Tho I'd maybe practice NM a bit first.

[neon kestrel]

I played through Plutonia with Project Brutality

And my second run through on Doom was in Nightmare

I'm trying a third playthrough where I don't upgrade my ammo to get myself ready when I get a computer that can handle Eternal

[vast pawn]

Sounds like a no issue then

[meager tide]

UN requires a lot of patience and persistence, due to only having one life it requires lots of study of the game. You need to know what to use against what, when to use it, what to expect on each encounter and how to handle them most efficiently. The fact you finished plutonia tells me your happy for a challenge which is good! But be prepared that its a totally different game to OG doom, enemies react differently

[edgy sinew]

hey

who want to play with me

why no one is playing doom multiplayer?

[meager tide]

Doom 2016 multiplayer? Proberbly because Eternal is out and it got bad rep for some daft reason. I loved 2016s multiplayer it was unique for consoles

[ornate basin]

Is he complaining that no one is playing a 4 year old and mediocre multiplayer

[vast pawn]

It was too Quakish, not that I wouldn't like Quake but it just didn't feel like Doom anymore

[ornate basin]

The problem wasn’t that it felt like doom

The problem was everything but the maps

The maps were good

And I guess soul harvest was fun

[vast pawn]

And imagine BM got it even worse

That's why I never considered Doom as a MP fit really

[autumn prism]

people mainly think of that cause quake made dooms deathmatch better

which is a pretty solid reason

after doom 1 and 2 the series didn't care for multiplayer

even tho its had multiplayer in almost every game

[ornate basin]

I wasn’t alive when the og doom multiplayer was a thing was it fun

[autumn prism]

yeah its fun

tho it just used campaign maps with different weapon and armour spawns

unless you got user made maps for death match

[ornate basin]

Oh shit imagine if you had to deathmacth on casm

[autumn prism]

🤮

god no I hate that map lol

but it does sadden me when people shit on doom games multiplayer

cause I mean doom invented death match and shit

[ornate basin]

Doom made it

Quake innovated it

Then deathmacth fell out of the public eye

[autumn prism]

which is ironic that new doom has basically evolved quakes style more in terms of singleplayer

and quake already was a 3d evolution of doom

[ornate basin]

Except for being 3d the original doom does everything better then the original quake

[autumn prism]

true

I do feel doom has better enemies and weapons

[ornate basin]

Then the new games came
Quake champions died
And doom is thriving

Honestly I don’t think we will ever see a new quake game

[autumn prism]

to be fair everything was staked against champions

it wasn't even on id tech for fucks sake

which is heresy for a quake game

[ornate basin]

It wasn’t on id tech

But it’s a id game

[autumn prism]

yeah but thats what I mean id tech is what makes quake quake

[ornate basin]

It’s kinda sad

All but doom of id’s franchises are dead

Youngblood killed wolfenstien
Champions killed quake
Keen hasn’t see the light of day since ever

[elder meadow]

modern doom is so quake like thay a quake reboot/continuation really wouldnt work

[noble moat]

Reboot doom with 2016 and eternal took the singleplayer.

So a reboot quake could be multiplayer only

[elder meadow]

i dont want that

[noble moat]

Would also explain why eternal with Battlemode is so different from A standard MP

[red flume]

A Quake reboot will always have a shot if they stick to the first one's gothic architecture. I can't think of a single good FPS that has used that art style since 96.

[elder meadow]

i like the multiplayer sometimes, but i want a gothic style shooter like quake 1

My friend is playing DOOM 2016 and has been rating the demons on how gay they are. I don’t understand why.

uh what?

[noble moat]

Let’s not continue that conversation ye?

[elder meadow]

Yeah

Ok

if you dont listen to bob he will glory kill you

[blissful imp]

[elder meadow]

Doom team probably wanted to reboot QC together with Doom Eternal but quickly rethinked their decisions when they saw the engine code of QC.

[sterile pasture]

[elder meadow]

If Doom 2016 was on Nintendo 64

[elder meadow]

23 fps and a lot of fog

[tawdry lance]

is there any way to play og doom multiplayer somewhere online? not sure if thats a dumb question

[ornate basin]

Wrong chat

[elder meadow]

@tawdry lance wrong chat still i know, but zandronum

you need to install it with the installer for doomseeker

[sharp lantern]

@worldly robin wanna hop on?

[summer blaze]

[soft crest]

Doom 2016 will always be incredible

[dusty void]

i actually wanna see someone mod doom 2016 or eternal into mario 64 somehow LMAO

[hushed vault]

they said they plan to support Eternal for quite a long time, so I assume there'll be mod tools somewhere down the line, maybe in a few years

[dusty void]

mod support for eternal would actually be nut worthy cuz i don't feel like risking a ban NOR fucking up my game files because i'm dumb

[high raptor]

How long does it take for a snapmap to load up on the servers

I published one 8 minutes ago and it hasn’t shown up yet

[noble moat]

Snapmap is notorious for being slow to load anything

[high raptor]

[elder meadow]

on the snapmap subreddit people are mentioning that it takes a few hours for a single map to upload

[soft crest]

@elder meadow thos is only true if you have a long list of maps

[violet violet]

somebody know some trick to eliminate unnecesary map effect in doom 2016 i remember when i pirated the game my shitty laptop handled pretty well doom 2016 until the part when you fight the first hell knight
i wish to buy the game

[weak sphinx]

i bought this game on pc, but i already have it on xbox one

i don't know why i did that

[compact stratus]

Did 2016's mp require a Bethesda[dot]net account?

[abstract isle]

Nope

Ya just log in, struggle to find a game and go

[compact stratus]

I wish Eternal was like that...nope, cant even play single player anymore.

[dull fable]

Online DOOM 2016 is dead?

[sharp gazelle]

hey everyone this is kinda stupid but i’m a ps4 player and i’m missing the two multiplayer trophies

is there anyone available

[sterile pasture]

[elder meadow]

[past vault]

[elder meadow]

[proven niche]

[elder meadow]

omg korone is playing doom 16 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKmqh8G4McU

too violent for the doggo if you ask me lmao

[elder meadow]

how active is 2016's multiplayer

[neat coral]

some people still play multiplayer surprisingly, it’s kinda active

[noble moat]

Also depends on time of day you try

[neat coral]

yeah for sure

[elder meadow]

will i find a good chunk of matches?

[neat coral]

depends

you might have to wait a while for a match to start

[elder meadow]

i thought it'd be duskworld dead

[neat coral]

it’s not dead, some people still try to join a match

[elder meadow]

hell yeah

[neat coral]

try joining a match and see if anyone joins

[elder meadow]

still downloading the game lol

i finished it but not on steam, just got it on steam because it was dirt cheap

[neat coral]

yeah it’s on sale

it’s about $6 - 7

[elder meadow]

5 dollars i think

[neat coral]

it’s like $7 for me

[elder meadow]

yeah someone told me why not just buy eternal but like bro it's 30 dollars vs 5 dollars bru

i dont have money for eternal

[neat coral]

$30 isn’t hard to make lol

[elder meadow]

I play matches everyday without any stalls

Job lol

[burnt acorn]

Eternal + Doom 3 = 2016

[elder meadow]

nope

minus doom 3 because 2016 was a ctually a good game in the doom franchise LULW

[elder meadow]

Doom 64+ Brutal Doom = 2016

[abstract isle]

would be cool if there was a 2016 lfg channel

[autumn prism]

Why buy 2016 over eternal? Cause 2016 is the perfect starting point for a new fan, and help you get ready for what eternal is gonna throw at you, and get used to the whole glory kill mechanic

[woven bramble]

So and so, bc doom eternal and 2016 are pretty different

[elder meadow]

DOOM 2016 is epic

[woven bramble]

Ikr

[elder meadow]

Near perfect in the fps gameplay department

[clever dew]

Because Doom 2016 has a fun single-player

I don't think there's an argument against that

[high raptor]

How do I edit max health/armor/ammo?

[noble moat]

If you are referring to singleplayer you would need to make a new save file, and make sure you don’t use argent cells

[high raptor]

In snapmap

[soft crest]

uhh, I dont remember now, Im not sure if you can do that.

[mortal edge]

hey i just bought doom 2016 and everytime i launch it says not responding? any fix?

i have reinstalled, verified game files. Nothing has seemed to work

All my drivers are up to date too.

[soft crest]

@high raptor do you want me to dm you a invitation link on the snapmap discord channel?

[mortal edge]

anyone know of a fix?

[high raptor]

unpopular opinion: charged burst better then explosive shot when mastered

[noble moat]

Very unpopular indeed

By the time you even benefit from the second charged burst you could have fired 2 mastered grenade launchers from range doing more damage

Assuming you hit every shot of the first charged burst. And while yes you can miss with the grenade, the splash is usually still more than 2 shotgun blasts

[elder meadow]

@mortal edge What is your GPU?

[mortal edge]

i fixed it lmao

[bold nymph]

e

[woven bramble]

What in God's name is your pfp

[rich coral]

hi

[soft crest]

unpopular opinion: charged burst better then explosive shot when mastered
@high raptor i kind of agree on that

[elder meadow]

how is that unpopular

i thought it was objectively better

i never used boom boom shot

[ornate basin]

That is a logical fallacy

Have you heard of the multi earth theory

It states that the are an infinite number of earths each one slightly different

Not in a single earth or timeline is charge burst better

[soft crest]

Multiverse theory never worked

Never ever.

[elder meadow]

What do you mean

[ornate basin]

It doesn’t matter
If you honestly believe charge burst is better you should take the clock drawing test

What is the time lugy

[soft crest]

@elder meadow i assume you are going with Butterfly effect multiverse version.

Which is just absurd beyond the point of rationality. Yes you can say that there is that dimension where the girl you like will accept you but thats a lie. Every choice you made leads to that moment and thus every choice created a chain reaction that causes her fismisding you. Every human has some set reaction to that thing, its natural and normal. There isnt a universe where you beat that proffesional fighter if you dont live in it. As its your fault you didnt train enough or didnt land that punch. Both of these are within your character and are the result of previous events. When you really think about it no human or sentient being really has free will as everything was set the day universe was born. But.. you shouldnt think that way, instead you should try to be the best you can be as this id the only version of you in existance.

(Copy pasted from a different place, but its my comment)

Its 0:23 pm here

Really, the multiverse trend has to die

TL DR: It just doesnt work

[ornate basin]

Do you know what the clock drawing test is btw

[soft crest]

Yes, i did it wrong, 0:23 (am), thank you for correcting me

Well 0:25 by now

Are you reffering to how out of place this is on this channel? @ornate basin

[ornate basin]

What

[soft crest]

Nothing, but yes this belongs to #general

[ornate basin]

Yeah probably

[elder meadow]

Okay

[fading dragon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1nJPBr4alc so im just gonna leave this here. doggo vs the hordes of hell.

[velvet spoke]

is it accurate that something with 2.4 terrawatts of power produces temperatures of 999727 degrees celcius

because thats how much power VEGA produces and how much heat it produces

[soft crest]

I say, VEGA is HOT

You get to understand why everyone on this discord wants to fuck vega.

[velvet owl]

nahh classic doomguy the hottest in history.

[soft crest]

[thorn valve]

waiting till i get eternal man

doom 2016 so far is my favorite game of all time lol

[noble moat]

Same

[thorn valve]

i might get it soon because theres a steam sale

[elder meadow]

Same

The steam summer sale is the digital equivalent to your crush loving you

[thorn valve]

Factssss

Everything is so low

[noble moat]

You know what always bothered me but it’s something really dumb to be bothered by

After getting the thrust boots for double jump. They are clearly huge boot like things that go on and around your boot/ lower leg

But whenever you do a GK involving your legs it doesn’t show it

[dusty void]

It doesnt show period 😔

[tall siren]

Fellas

When I finish the campaign and go back to earlier levels to grind out things like rune upgrades and weapon mastery

Can I just quit out of the level I'm in and keep the upgrades I've earned or do I have to finish the level

[tall siren]

Nevermind I found out

For those who want to know the answer is yes

[noble moat]

Idk why but when Olivia flies backwards into the air after activating the argent accumulator always cracks me up

[violet violet]

Cool first crash in Doom i had

[radiant abyss]

Let’s play some doom 2016

[icy schooner]

Does anyone else here prefer the designs of the demons in 2016 over Eternal's? I mean, my reason is because the demons looked more unsettling and vicious. Like, take the Cacodemon for example and how it was redesigned to better match its classic design. The pupil in its eye, the brighter red skin and the silver horns and teeth makes it look more cartoony, which I suppose fits with the tone of the game, but for me personally it just made feel less intimidating when I fight them. They're a big threat in the battlefield, but their goofier design really just softens the blow and makes them feel less threatening. Maybe the demons were redesigned only to match their classic designs, but to also be less threatening in Doom Eternal to make players less afraid of them and to encourage ripping and tearing? Whatever, I probably should've saved this paragraph for a Reddit post lol

[autumn prism]

Thats a fair point, but i mainly prefer eternals designs over 2016 as they feel way more expressive

[scenic sierra]

I prefer the 2016 Hell Barons over Eternal

[sleek hawk]

Anyone want to join my doom clan?

[soft crest]

Outside of Summoner and maybe Hell Razers, I dont think I really liked the demon looks in 2016. Dont get me wrong, they look beautiful, but in game I dont think I liked any of them

[noble moat]

I think I liked all the 2016 designs except for the baron of hell

I know he is pink in the classics. But being so bright pink in 2016 looked off

Maybe if it was a darker pink it would have looked better

[soft crest]

Baron I didnt mind so much. But hk was strange. That one I didnt like at all. Also Cacodemon looked very cool.. but fighting him wasnt very fun I d say

[compact stratus]

Doom Eternal's soldier design is so much better too.

[elder meadow]

I'm pretty sure multiplayer is a growing addiction. I can't stop until I get those cyberdemon parts

[noble moat]

Yeah it’s actually pretty fun. Shame it had some balancing issues that were never addressed/ game died off

[floral topaz]

anyone got 2016 on switch?

[keen veldt]

multiplayer for 2016 is awesome

I actually like it more than quake champions

[elder meadow]

2016 MP actually teaches you to play Quake Champions better than Quake Champions itself.

[elder meadow]

I think thats why I like the multi so much, it has very similar mechanics to quake.

[noble moat]

Time to finally do the 2 different runs I’m missing

A
Screen upside down run

And a classic doom weapon pose run

Actually Imma combine that into 1 run

Will use inverted look so my muscle memory doesnt freak out

I may regret setting this to nightmare

Nvm I’ll do upside down later.

But classic pose is actually pretty lit

[scenic sierra]

Unpopular opinion

2016 is better than Eternal

[abstract isle]

There are definitely better parts

Both have their upsides

[noble moat]

Best part is every doom game is just different enough where you play each one for a different reason

[flint dune]

Personally I think Eternal has better mechanics and gameplay while 2016 has much better atmosphere

I also prefer how they handled the lore in this game

[violet shadow]

I dont like how goofy eternal is, they completely threw out all of the dark horror elements

I miss picking up praetor suit points from dead bodies, now its all cacodemon cooking magazines and hell knights with eyes

doom basically has power rangers characters now

[flint dune]

Yeah, I liked the darker tone of 2016. The goofiness of Eternal doesn’t bother me all that much though. The game’s still fun.

[violet shadow]

I think doomguys gamer den is a little too on the nose, other than that it isn't that bad. That one room is just waaaaayy over the top

[round otter]

i like 2016's codex entries though

[violet shadow]

like the holograms I now see as iconic doom characters

[round otter]

the UAC actually feels like a company instead of a goofy cult

[scenic sierra]

I don’t like the overall historical feel to Eternal so I prefer the futuristic darkness of 2016

That’s why my favorite missions in Eternal are ARC Complex, Mars Core, Nekravol PT 1&2, and The Final Sin

[round otter]

Doom 2016 has these little bits of worldbuilding which are a bit sparser in eternal

Things like lore for the powerups, and how they were tested on people, the subtle integration of religious terminology into their programs.

Theres also a line from the speaker where he says that the UAC has a 7 day work week

which gives us another reason why corporate is evil besides the whole hell stuff

Some of the demon lore in eternal is good, the fact that the arachnotrons are being built by an ai run factory that just wont stop cranking them out offers some good reasoning why you keep running into dozens of them across the campaign

[abstract isle]

Yeah the lore is very sparse but quite good

although I do like that a lot of stuff was addressed in Eternal I would have preferred a couple of things be left unanswered

But they each have ups and downs

[next osprey]

i love the corporate satire in Doom2016

and at the arc reactor the satire starts getting really on the nose hehe

[stoic chasm]

I just got doom for pc

Pog?

[daring flame]

pog

[elder meadow]

pog

[daring flame]

doom 2016 combat is so simple compared to eternal

[onyx terrace]

The thing I find most amusing with the reveal in doom eternal? The slayer must be so sick of the UAC's shit.

Like if they do a third game I could almost see the slayer looking at some dudes like 'ok who's responsible for this mess?' then when he sees everyone point to a UAC sign he just nods as if he's saying 'of course it's them'.

[next osprey]

wish i could play doom eternal. i'm on linux, and i heard i gotta wait until nvidia updates their drivers or something like that

bought it on steam for half price

[south mantle]

@violet shadow to be fair, Doom was never a horror game to begin with. More like over the top action horror-like, ala Evil Dead etc. Basically every complain about it looking goofy should've been addressed even to their original design.

[violet shadow]

Yeah but even those games had more horror elements than eternal. Things like corpses hanging from the ceiling and shit. Eternal mainly just has bones and screaming skulls

And even those classic games can get pretty spooky, just look at PSX Doom

[elder meadow]

they dont have to take away the unholy slaying of the new games, i just want more grotesque decoration and more horror themes.

[restive berry]

Bro. Every aspect in Eternal is an improvement over 2016 in my opinion. Except for the revenant model.

[elder meadow]

Except for every demon model, gore, CC mechanic, weapon swap speed, story, lighting and performance.

[pliant galleon]

wait the new demon models aren't an improvement?

[elder meadow]

No, not at all.

[supple finch]

also performance is better in eternal for a lot of people or so I've heard

[elder meadow]

Textures got better on most of them. Everything else is a step down tho.

[pliant galleon]

why

[elder meadow]

You have seen the Revenant right? Same thing applies to every other model just to lesser degree.

[pliant galleon]

I like the imps new shoulder bone more than bland imps

[elder meadow]

Eternal Demons look more like 3D printed toys than actual demons.

[pliant galleon]

the revenant looked better in 2016

2016 took a more realistic horror and gritty approach

[elder meadow]

https://i.redd.it/p8pfe3wyrvl41.png

[pliant galleon]

but eternal took more of a cartoony, arcadey approach

more of a video game than realistic setting

you put that old caco model and then make it explode in colorful ammo drops isn't fitting

it's just the theme and art-style that eternal changed

[elder meadow]

I see no reason for Eternal to be in any way cartoony. Especially in 2020.
Classic Doom games were obviously cartoony arcade shooters because of heavy technology limitations.

But now it feels like the devs are taking Doom 2016 and are forcing cartoony elements into it for some reason.

[pliant galleon]

but there's no need for them to go dark realistic horror

when doom 3 did it it wasn't fitting for a doom game

eternal works as if it knows it''s a video game

[elder meadow]

Doom 3 was not fitting because of the slower paced gameplay.
That was literary the only complaint about Doom 3.

[supple finch]

it's for the sake of the gameplay I think, it's much easier to recognise the more distinctive demons, and the brightly coloured HUD makes it easy to read what's going on

[pliant galleon]

cartoon-ish colorful violence is fun

Doom 3 was not fitting because of the slower paced gameplay.
That was literary the only complaint about Doom 3.
@elder meadow I don't like it's horror game approach

[elder meadow]

Yes, which is why every single Doom Eternal player mistakes Prowlers for Imps @supple finch

[supple finch]

not every single one

[pliant galleon]

Yes, which is why every single Doom Eternal player mistakes Prowlers for Imps @supple finch
@elder meadow if you mistake them that's on you but they clearly glow purple

[supple finch]

prowlers are like twice the bloody size how do people even manage it

[pliant galleon]

prowlers are like twice the bloody size how do people even manage it
@supple finch idk man

[supple finch]

and are also purple, shoot purple, and teleport

[elder meadow]

Doom 3 is horror for the first few levels.
After that it becomes practically the Doom we all know and love just in more confined spaces and with guns that need to reload.
Especially the Hell level is mostly constant action.

[pliant galleon]

I feel eternal's more playful tone and look are better than 2016's gritty realistic look and tone

[supple finch]

only time you'll get a teleporting imp is the laggy-ass battlemode (as much as I love the mode its servers need some work)

[elder meadow]

But that's besides the point.

The point is that Doom Eternal takes the realistic foundation that Doom 2016 created and tries to shove in the new more cartoony style.
Which is what i do not like about it.

[pliant galleon]

it doesn't do that man. it's clearly changed a lot of the stuff from that realistic foundation to fit

demons don't look or behave the same from 2016

[elder meadow]

Dude load up any map in Doom Eternal and tell me it looks cartoony in any way.

[pliant galleon]

imo they're only similar in the spirit of fast-paced shooting action

Dude load up any map in Doom Eternal and tell me it looks cartoony in any way.
@elder meadow you fire any one up and tell me it's "realistic"

and we're not talking about the maps, we're talking the tone and demon models

besides the revenant, every demon is an improvement

[supple finch]

ah yes, because the floating fire chains in exultia and sgn are so realistic

[pliant galleon]

and even the revenant is very fitting for eternal

ah yes, because the floating fire chains in exultia and sgn are so realistic
@supple finch exactly

[elder meadow]

... did the image load?

[pliant galleon]

no

but I clicked the link

[elder meadow]

https://www.xboxachievements.com/images/screenshots/5283/med_6d3b5cbd-9c18-40ad-9b4b-470fe22bff9a_DOOM_Eternal_2507465e209adf4d3004.59241653-Taras_Nabad.jpg

Well Discord does not like this for some reason

[pliant galleon]

taras nabad is a ruined part of an old, fighter-based society

don't take it and tell me this looks realistic

[elder meadow]

You do realize that realistic art style does not equal something that is possible in real life right?

[pliant galleon]

I know

a mars installation isn't real-life but looks realistic

[elder meadow]

It just means that the lighting, textures, polygon count and some other stuff must resemble real life as close as possible.

[pliant galleon]

this doesn't

[elder meadow]

But it doesn't have to be something that exists.

Or has the possibility to exist.

[pliant galleon]

taras nabad resembles a retro style rich people city or something

something you see in a cartoon

[elder meadow]

Taras Nabad resembles ancient Rome.

[pliant galleon]

ancient rome doesn't look at all like this

[elder meadow]

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/C8OqjFkKFP49LFTN8oEOVUSUvbU=/0x0:1920x942/1200x800/filters:focal(558x167:864x473)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/66520133/Doom_Eternal_guide___Sentinel_Prime_secret_hidden_items_maps_and_locations.0.png

As if it wasn't obvious already

[pliant galleon]

it's only that thing

[elder meadow]

https://cdn.britannica.com/36/162636-050-932C5D49/Colosseum-Rome-Italy.jpg

[pliant galleon]

@elder meadow You're posting links too fast.
@scarlet gorge calm down

it's only the arena thing, but other than that it has too many domes to look like it imo

[elder meadow]

https://ipa.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Forum.jpg

[pliant galleon]

I see one dome and a big open space with some marble...stick things standing

[elder meadow]

That is called creative freedom.

You do not have to exactly copy something for there to be enough similarities for it to be obvious that something was the heavy inspiration.

[pliant galleon]

well if you're gonna say that it's one level out of 13 that looks "realistic"

big skull-shaped machines, neon lit doors, spinning fore poles and floating buildings aren't realistic

[elder meadow]

Dude even Urdak looks realistic to some degree.
The unreasonably low res textures do not help in that case.. but you can definitely see the devs were not aiming for Fortnite there.

You really like dismissing points i see.

[pliant galleon]

Dude even Urdak looks realistic to some degree.
The unreasonably low res textures do not help in that case.. but you can definitely see the devs were not aiming for Fortnite there.
@elder meadow and they weren't aiming for real life either

You really like dismissing points i see.
@elder meadow I'm not dismissing anything

[elder meadow]

It just means that the lighting, textures, polygon count and some other stuff must resemble real life as close as possible.
@elder meadow

[pliant galleon]

most of the lighting effects and building shapes don't resemble real life

[elder meadow]

Yes if you have a skull machine that is rendered at very high quality and has proper lighting applies to it, it will be realistic.

[pliant galleon]

Yes if you have a skull machine that is rendered at very high quality and has proper lighting applies to it, it will be realistic.
@elder meadow but it's not

[elder meadow]

"But it doesn't have to be something that exists.
Or has the possibility to exist."

[pliant galleon]

take a look at the machines in the doom hunter base and tell me those have realistic lighting and high res textures please

[elder meadow]

https://images.gamewatcherstatic.com/image/file/8/6f/106408/Doom-Eternal-Doom-Hunter-Base-Rune-2.jpg

Yes the lighting has been heavily gutted in Eternal. But this looks reasonably alright to me.

[pliant galleon]

dude you're so stubborn

first you say the models ain't good

[elder meadow]

Oh YOU are the one telling me that?

[pliant galleon]

when I tell you they're cartoony you say the levels are too good

[elder meadow]

Dude i said that about the demons. Not the enviroments.

[pliant galleon]

I don't see the environments as realistic

[elder meadow]

My entire point was that environments are realistic and demons and most other stuff is not.

[pliant galleon]

well go play doom 2016 then

because I'm enjoying the contrast that you're seeing but I'm not seeing

[elder meadow]

Good for you.

So why are you sending me back to Doom 2016 again?

[pliant galleon]

because you don't like eternal

[elder meadow]

Where did i say that?

[pliant galleon]

if the demons all took a shade of red and black and all ammo drops were colored the same, they'd be hard to see

it's actually better for the gameplay

[elder meadow]

You do realise that disliking an aesthetic thing is a bit different than disliking the whole game right?

If you are blind or a pro player, sure.

(they are the same thing basically)

[pliant galleon]

while being fitting for the game's tone

You do realise that disliking an aesthetic thing is a bit different than disliking the whole game right?
usually when people bring this stuff up they mean they don't like the game

[elder meadow]

Also objectively, having more contrast between objects makes them easier to see.

And considering that Demons in Doom 2016 had much better contrast and more glowing spots... well it made them way better to see than in Eternal where they can easily blend together.

[pliant galleon]

you're the first person to like a game but hate it's aesthetic that I encounter

[elder meadow]

In fact, the lighting got so bad that the purple glow from Prowlers is often not even noticable and as such, many people start trying to chainsaw them.

[pliant galleon]

wait eternal's demons belnd together better than 2016's?

the only glowing demon in 2016 was the mancubus

they were all dark and gritty looking

[elder meadow]

Umm no.

[pliant galleon]

and the lost souls

other than that no one glowed generally

[elder meadow]

https://i.redd.it/rhoui9quow6x.jpg

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/doom/images/d/d0/Pinky_Eternal.png/revision/latest?cb=20200402232116

[pliant galleon]

their eyes are so small they're not noticeable for me

I never saw a pinky in 2016 unless they hit me if there was a lot of demons

no joke

but I can see them better in eternal

[elder meadow]

https://static0.thegamerimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/DOOM-Monster-Comparison-Knight.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=740&h=370

Do you see how dull the demons are colored in Eternal?

The mode dull the colors, the harder they are to spot.

It is obviously not a big deal in a game like this, but if you really want to bring up this topic, you are still technically wrong here.

[pliant galleon]

the 2 demons that are dull are the hell knight and baron

i personally prefer the 2016 models for these 2 specifically but for the other demons it's not the same case

[elder meadow]

🤦‍♂️

My time is up. I have given every argument i had so far.
Have a nice day.

[pliant galleon]

alright then

argue with someone else

I see that eternal is better in every way than 2016

and you can excuse the low res textures for the game being literaly 30 gb less in size while have double the content

at the end you're free to like what you want to like and dislike what you want to dislike, I'm just saying that, at least in my opinion, I prefer eternal's demons more @elder meadow

if you like 2016's, then more power to you

@supple finch where did you go, you had my back here 😅😂

[pliant galleon]

can someone tell me where is the lever in argent d'nur

I'm missing a secret and I'm suspecting there's a lever since I haven't seen one

[shrewd pagoda]

so, i'm up to Meltdown in 2016 and... WOW. this game is fucking good

it is so satisfying to pull off glory kills.

[fossil island]

[shrewd pagoda]

very quickly regretting the Ultra-Violence difficulty though, jeeez this game has some tough spots

should probably use the chainsaw more

[shrewd pagoda]

stg this section is impossible

[limber cradle]

Lads

Y'know the way this game has trophies and achievements that say to fully upgrade all your stuff in one campaign

If I just beat the campaign and then just go back into levels in the same file does that still count?

[elder meadow]

just joined

gotta say doom 2016's ultraviolence is easier than doom eternal's hurt me plenty

[flint dune]

Sup. @limber cradle Also yes.

[elder meadow]

i forgot how much this game hates alt tabbing

[limber cradle]

@flint dune seriously?

That's fucking class

[flint dune]

I was able to

[limber cradle]

Niiice

That sounds really fun to 100% then