It takes one lock on rocket burst to put it a glory kill state
#doom-2016
autumn prism
noble moat
Then mancubus, again massive target. Slow. Free damage
Then Caco. Kinda lame overall. Sure it gets a free ranged instakill but eh
Harvester next for range
Spectre is bs
And my personal favorite is Revenant
I average 10+ kills every transformation. Great movement and damage
elder meadow
Summoner is a glass cannon, if I am not mistaken but for me, the weakest is the Mancubus, due to being slow and an easy target
noble moat
I mean strong hitting. Not strong as in physically strong.
It hits strong and summons demons. Making it a “strong” demon
flint dune
Honestly I like Pinky the most because of its speed. I sucked with Prowler so it worked as an alternative to my playstyle. Caco be pretty slow tho
elder meadow
I honestly died a lot every time I play as the Mancubus
noble moat
It’s too large and slow
flint dune
You’re a slow, fat target ^
elder meadow
Exactly, which is why I say the Mancubus is the weakest
noble moat
I loved facing those and barons because they hardly get kills
Hate facing spectres
Super fast, mostly invisible especially in the heat of battle
And most maps have hallways
elder meadow
Unless you have the power seeking rune, a Spectre/Pinky is a nightmare
flint dune
In terms of the worst playable demons, I’d say Mancubus, Baron and Prowler. Prowler’s good if you know how to use it, but the small health pool isn’t worth the speed and agility imo
noble moat
Small health and it’s kinda hard to aim / has less kills per minute potential
flint dune
Yeah
noble moat
Revenant and spectre and harvester are probably best for kills per minute
On average spectre seems to stay alive longest
flint dune
I forget, could you cloak whenever or was it automatic?
noble moat
Not sure I never used it
I quite enjoy 2016 multiplayer. Definitely more enjoyable than Cod multiplayer
But it’s not good enough for me to Pay for online purely for this game
flint dune
I think it was automatic...you’d have to stay out of combat for a little until you’d cloak again
Yeah I agree. I don’t find Battlemode as fun tbh
elder meadow
Automatic unless you have the Spectre attack
noble moat
My main 2 issues were Kinetic mines, and spectres.
Also invisibility was maybe a bit too op
It’s not like halos shimmering invisibility. It’s true invisibility.
flint dune
Yeah I could wipe out an enemy team with ease using specter
noble moat
Spectres always seem to just zoom in from a hallway kill 3 guys and disappear.
flint dune
Yeah lol, it’s fun to use tbh but unfair for the enemy team
noble moat
Sure you can dodge kinetic mines, but in stuff like freeze tag. Or any zone Type gamemode mines were a massive advantage
Just toss 4 mines in your sector and it’s secured unless half your team dies trying to claim it
One of my favorite parts was that instead of a rune you could choose Bounty.
100+ exp per kill. Which means every match I was getting 2000+ exp extra. Which was awesome for leveling up quickly
elder meadow
But the power seeking rune counters the Spectre’s invisibility since the Demon rune is a power item which allows you to see it despite it being invisible, possibly why I got shot at while invisible
noble moat
Yeah but I felt demons
(Besides pinky)
Where not a problem to worry about. So I’m not turning power seeker for a potential one demon
Especially since I can go a few matches never seeing one
elder meadow
Now with maps, the Spectre/Pinky is dominant on most of the maps, but I would say one map the Cacodemon is better than the Spectre the one where you are completely outside
But yeah the power seeker the best counter against an invisible enemy Spectre, along with kinetic mines that are placed over the monster to avoid being trampled since I think the bullrush can destroy kinetic mines
noble moat
Ok since I hear this a lot here it the price of switch
First Nintendo doesn’t set prices, the companies of the games do
Nintendo has missed out on years, YEARS. Of games.
And it can be safely assumed most nintendo owners only have Nintendo products, similar to how most people who own one brand of console usually stick with it
elder meadow
I really don’t care, the DOOM I got was a gift from my sister-in-law
noble moat
Companies use this to dictate, hey. Switch users have never been able to play doom before, so for them it’s a completly brand new game.
But also the cost of porting it cannot have Been easy
Regardless of what it is. Hell you can google Digital foundry Ion fury ports. And they even mention how an engine from the 90s has problems being ported to new consoles
The tax comes from the cost of cartridge, the cost of portability. And the new factor. The fact that most of these people never had a chance to buy it and now can
Especially doom 2016 must have taken quite a while to port it over
I’m not justifying the large costs on some of these ports. Just explaining them
elder meadow
Grant it, DOOM 2016 and DOOM ETERNAL are both reboots of DOOM 1 and 2 with extra cool stuff
DOOM ETERNAL let’s you kill more than just demons
noble moat
No spoilers. Still waiting for eternal to come out
And oh boy is this wait excruciating
elder meadow
That game came out a few months ago, not yet for the Switch though
noble moat
Oh trust me I know
Everyday for the past 2 months as soon as I wake up I check the news to see if a release date has been announced.
Then I check the eshop to see if it was stealth added to the coming soon area
elder meadow
I only remember the weapons though, including one from DOOM 64
The one and only weapon that is more powerful than the BFG 9000
noble moat
In doom 64 it’s stronger in eternal its not
elder meadow
The Unmakyr
It’s still a Demon’s worst nightmare, but back to DOOM 2016 going off topic, sorry
Too bad if Doomguy were to fight Master Chief, he would lose
noble moat
Ha
Literal super powered human who has gone to hell and back numerous times.
Or a man in a can
red flume
calling 117 a man in a can is selling him well short
elder meadow
Unfortunately the monsters Doom Guy fought are no different than the ones Master Chief fought plus Doomguy’s weapons lack versatility and the BFG is incapable of bypassing the Bubble Shield
noble moat
Ok I know Hydreigon is baiting at this point
And obviously saying he is a man in a can is selling him short.
But compared to the slayer he is certainly a man in a can
red flume
the problem for the Slayer is (IIRC) his Praetor suit is only resistant to demon attacks which Master Chief obviously doesn't dish out.
I'd still take Slayer 10/10 times but it'd play out like Goku v Beerus I think.
Slayer being Beerus ofc
noble moat
Lol death battle
Those people couldn’t tell you who would accurately win in 90% of their fights
elder meadow
Speaking of Halo, why doesn’t doom have a series based on their multiplayer like Halo does?
noble moat
What
elder meadow
Red vs Blue, made by Rooster Teeth, a series based on Halo’s multiplayer
noble moat
proper ridge
the problem with doomguy in death battle is the BFG
every canon incarnation of it is OP af 
elder meadow
Only sad thing is that Demon’s with a shield can deflect the BFG blast, I saw a video of that happening which made my jaw drop
Isn’t the Doomguy in that fight pre-Seraphim blessing?
not saying that he’d win or lose because idk anything about Master Chief but the Slayer now would be way stronger than the Doomguy in that video
Possibly, this was before these Doom games ever existed, but I do believe that Slayer could give master Chief a run for his money than he did in that Death a Battle since these games did not exist when his fight with Master Chief happened, which was why Doomguy easily lost to him
A good example would be Mario vs Sonic, first time they fought, Sonic won, but a few years later, they got a rematch and the results confirmed Mario as the winner
twilit vessel
is this game demanding on a computer or is my computer just really bad
elder meadow
2016 shouldn’t be that demanding, might just be your PC
twilit vessel
oh..
elder meadow
it doesn’t run well on mine either, apparently my GPU doesn’t play nice with Vulkan
twilit vessel
does it do better with gl?
elder meadow
it does, but not by a lot and I dip below 60 quite a bit
i found that lowering the resolution to 1280x720 helped a lot, I doubled my FPS
twilit vessel
hm, I was told vulkan would run it well but I'll give opengl a try
oh, yeah it does a pretty consistent 60fps if I put it to 50% resolution. but if I do that it's kind of hard to tell what I'm looking at sometimes
south junco
bruh that death battle was based on Doomguy before he became teh slayer
if Master Chief fought Doomguy post becoming the slayer I honestly doubt Master Chief would last more than 10 seconds
elder meadow
Doom guy crushes master chief
Physically. Master chief just not as strong. He just got "luck". It not really anything more to him.
Doom canonically got inhuman strength, speed and vitality
autumn prism
Doomguy even before doom 2016 would still crush chief
He can put run rockets
Have you seen how much ammo he can hold?
And the plasma gun would melt chieds armour
That thing is way deadlier in the classic games then any halo plasma rifle
You would have to handicap doom guy to go up against chief
noble moat
If we remove all equipment
We have a guy who could hold a stupid amount of ammo and guns at once and run at full speed non stop
John on other hand is strong enhanced human, but in terms of human vs human doomguy “should win”
Likewise slayer vs John no equipment slayer wins Hands down
latent plover
the Slayer is a pure being of rage he would slap chiefs shit from a tactical standpoint as he has killed bigger badder enemies that and if one man can make hell shit their pants just by hearing him the Master chief would lose
errant bloom
Because fictional characters fanboy wars
This is bob
Bob has unlimited power.
Bob wins.
flint nova
rustic jacinth
elder meadow
2016 multiplayer is still alive
Except that sometimes you have to search for a room for 10 minutes.
elder meadow
True
autumn prism
Depends
Consoles are region locked and therefor your at the mercy of your country's gaymer population
Pc is more flexibile tho
elder meadow
Which region is the most active then?
blissful imp
NA
celest atlas
Doomguy or Duke Nukem (3D)?
elder meadow
Batman
twilit vessel
the concept of a death battle is dumb, like why compare two characters from different universes with different rules
odd sequoia
Hey
Just updated my cooperative map, anyone want to join? ( the map is pretty hard tho 
)
twilit vessel
you can co-op in this game?
supple finch
snapmap i assume
odd sequoia
you can co-op in this game?
@twilit vessel snapmap
snapmap i assume
@supple finch yeah :')
I also added a possibility to pick yourself a role on this map ( like healer, dd, support and so on ) so you have to actually support each other while playing
twilit vessel
oh, well I'll look into it once I finish the campaign
elder meadow
Man my head hurts gonna take a breather before I play multiplayer again, hoping to get the metallic black armor for one of my 4 other suits
noble moat
Head hurts because of the multiplayer or just hurts?
My head has been aching all day due to allergies and my sinuses
elder meadow
Went to a party, got wasted XD
noble moat
Ah well that will do it too XD
elder meadow
Worth it
elder meadow
Though it seems I know how to use Kinetic Mines the best mainly since I know a smart player would destroy it before it detonates, so I put it where they would least expect it to be, killed players who are more experienced than me that way
elder meadow
You use them in combat
That is the most effective way.
And fuck kinetic mines.
They should not exist.
kinetic mines are really op
noble moat
You could toss half a grenade launcher into a sector and nope the mine wasn’t deactivated
Honestly, remove mines. And Make spectres pinkies. And multiplayer could have been wayyyy more enjoyable
elder meadow
I think it worth to reduce the specter's health,they difficult to hit and they also have a lot of health.
But I really doubt that there will be any multiplayer fixes
noble moat
Well yeah it’s done
elder meadow
@noble moat There is a reason why Spectre is so overpowered. That is because he is so easily countered.
A bit of a shitty design fundamentally tbh.
noble moat
Yes I know demon seeker or whatever that stupid rune is
But I shouldn’t have to turn on a rune for one demon who may not even appear this match
elder meadow
You basically turn it on when it appears.
Hmm, this rune is quite powerful considering that in Deathmatch for example, the demon exists almost the entire match.
And yea you can switch runes any time
elder meadow
As a Spectre you can basically dominate the entire game, but there always will be that one level 550 guy who has permament wallhack on you, and will constantly poke you with his HAR.
Wdym by "HAR"?
elder meadow
Nah,i like plasma rifle more
elder meadow
Plasma has projectiles which become unreliable at long distances.
And trust me, when fighting a demon, you want to stay as far away as possible from him.
I usually use a plasma/sniper rifle combination or a sniper rifle and a pistol.
Plasma is very good at close combat and a sniper rifle at long range.
elder meadow
The Spectre shares the same health as a Cacodemon. Though yeah hard to kill when both of the Demon’s attacks will instantly kill. Guess as long as you have the high ground and the power seeker rune, makes killing the Spectre less difficult.
I use the grenade launcher and plasma rifle. Grenade launcher for far distances and for those who have the high ground, high ground my ass, the plasma rifle for foes who get too close since I know the grenade launcher takes time to recharge
elder meadow
@elder meadow I think the same goes for Soul Harvest depending on who got the first kill, since the Demon Rune does not go away till the match ends making the main objective to kill the enemy demon and obtain the rune for yourself and prevent enemies from killing you
elder meadow
What combat shotgun mod do I get first for nightmare?
Explosive right?
explosive is my personal favorite so i guess
Ah, okay thank you
noble moat
Explosive and try to master it as soon as possible
The mastered grenade launcher is incredibly useful
Especially for combos and taking out fodder, since the direct contact hit almost always staggers demons and splash
noble moat
Oh 100%
Even burst fire Mastered is trash
elder meadow
And you will not be able to master burst fire until you'll get to mancubies.
elder meadow
Mastered shotgun's grenade launcher is a must have weapon against hell knights
noble moat
Against any enemy really
It instakills the beefy fodder. And does major damage and usually staggers larger enemies
elder meadow
By the way, I did not understand why the description of the mastered chain gun sentry mode is says that it stops overheating,but the overheat indicator for some reason is still there but it is can not be filled to 100%,what is the point?
noble moat
Of the indicator? 🤷♂️
elder meadow
Yea
noble moat
I guess it’s just to show the weapon still gets hot but will never reach the point of overheating
Cuz the barrels still get hot
elder meadow
It just moves slowly to fill and stops at a quarter. And It takes up space on the screen.
keen geyser
just started playing doom , is earning a slayer medal in a match hard to do? I'm just trying to gauge my skill because i have been getting this pretty consistently and I'm not sure if you genuinely have to be good or not to receive said medal.
elder meadow
In multiplayer?
keen geyser
yup
elder meadow
It's more issue of luck than skill
keen geyser
how so
noble moat
It’s based on points
Staying alive longer and getting combos adds points
Constantly doing actions = points
elder meadow
Yes but if you manage to live long or the enemy uses kinetic mines depends on luck.
elder meadow
god i hate how broken doom 2016's ultra nightmare is
i cant count how many times ive died to some imp that was camping right as i finish a glory kill
misty shadow
It's still fun
noble moat
Real question is why you GK 🤔
elder meadow
because i need health??
noble moat
Nah fam.
elder meadow
why else would i glory kill
noble moat
If you get to the point where a GK truly gives health you pretty much lost anyways
misty shadow
Because glory killing is literally heaven for the eyes
noble moat
Imp speed balls are true torture
They only do like like 35 damage
But if you get hit by 2 at once that’s rip
elder meadow
at this point ive memorized the entire uac level because of how many times ive had to restart on UN
misty shadow
I'm glad Doom 2016 did have glory kills, otherwise it wouldn't have been the same
noble moat
I restarted UN so many times I can now 100% the first 4 levels
noble moat
Vega core destroyed?
elder meadow
yea the one before argent dnur
plucky lotus
should i get doom 2016 after ive already played doom eternal?
noble moat
Vega processing is before Argent Dnur
misty shadow
I mean it's up to you
elder meadow
yes @plucky lotus
its a fantastic game
noble moat
You can. But you will miss like every Quality of life improvement eternal gives
Like actually gaining health from Glory Kills
And actually being able to add armor back
elder meadow
yea u get like 10 hp max from a glory kill in un
noble moat
And most of the time you get 5
elder meadow
yeah, and its rare
plucky lotus
thats what im scared about that i will miss the new qualities from doom eternal and not like doom 2016
elder meadow
its very difficult to get health
noble moat
Think of it like this. 2016 is by no means slow. But it’s slower than eternal
You will 100% miss dash,
And the ability to heal and gain armor
noble moat
Also most levels are just hallways instead of platforming.
But it has much less story
Also the game is slow to start, takes like 2-3 levels to get good
plucky lotus
ight
elder meadow
i think ive replayed uac so much i can do it without taking damage on UN
just an assumption tho
never tried it
probably never will
plucky lotus
elder meadow
I'm almost done with the foundry and haven't found any other gun than the shotgun what's wrong with me
Aren't you supposed to get the assault rifle now?
you can also get the plasma rifle and rocket launcher
Really?
but the rocket launcher is an early unlock
and i think you get assault rifle in resource ops
correct me if im wrong
I'm struggling with a combat shotgun on a nightmare run, is there a chance I can get any other gun in foundry?
yes, you can get a secret rocket launcher
look it up on youtube, you can find it, since it'll be very hard to describe over text
Alright, thanks alot I didn't realise I was doing something wrong lmao
red flume
there's an AR in ResOps right before you cycle an airlock and a secret plasma rifle that requires the yellow key to get to.
actually there's 2 ARs in that level. The second is towards the end right before the long, narrow hallway with possessed and security.
muted wolf
Uh, question, how do i open console in Demo ?
coral spire
anyone want to play deathmatch
elder meadow
I would but my brother has my game
elder meadow
I only miss the meathook.
I actually dislike dash in Eternal quite a lot.
elder meadow
how come?
Dash as it is in Eternal not only gives you a cheap way to avoid incomming bullshit, it also forced id to make the AI unreasonably agressive in order for the game to not be too easy.
To each their own, but I like how aggressive the ai is in DE.
uncut mesa
So has anyone noticed that the Cyber Demon has kinda the same armor setup that the marauders have? Do you think the cyber demon could have been on the priests side or just a demon who happened to have skin that looked like the armor the marauders have?
autumn prism
I'd say the latter
open elm
Yo
frozen veldt
so does the glory kill for spider mastermind require a bfg shot
my first try i almost killed her but i didnot have bfg left and used the shots on the floor so i restarted the fight
i beat her that time
with ammo
but do i need it or not?
soft crest
@frozen veldt i believe not
rigid gale
Did you try to do it first? That’s the only way to know. From what I remember, I used all my BFG during the fight and I was still able to glory kill.
ornate basin
Because that’s a cutscene
red flume
You don't need one.
The codex kinda tries to explain it here:
Only through our use of SEFT can the power of such a mighty weapon be realized. Such a weapon requires not only science, but BELIEF.
elder meadow
The last cut scene is played regardless of whether you have ammo or not.
This is an obvious trick.
hi
Hi turd
a*
finite trench
guys can i ask, what benefits do people get by queing and afking the whole game in 2016 mp?
noble moat
🤷♂️
latent plover
if i see afkers in 2016 i beat the shit out of them to purposely fuck up their stats royally
finite trench
Do you still level if you afk? I supposed you do
radiant condor
damn i just played 2016 again for the first time since eternal came out and it feel sooo slow dude
feels*
flint dune
Yeah, even though you run faster in 2016 the lack of mobility feels so limiting after playing Eternal imo
elder meadow
@finite trench That is the general mentality of online player ever since mid 2018-ish.
Nobody is playing anymore, you either AFK entirely or play with half of your brain turned off.
This actually made me quit... practically every MP game that i played before.
trail narwhal
guys i am on my first playthrough and i cant enjoy game totally i cant do finishers from above sometimes i dont know where to go cant find secrets i just like music and graphics
noble moat
For the most part 2016 is quite linear. If you don’t follow the linear path you find secrets
Deaths from above require height, not just a simple jump
elder meadow
i am the luckiest man alive
i survived a blow with 1 hp left
and managed to finish the entire fight with just 1 hp
all on un of course
rigid gale
@trail narwhal maka91 productions on YouTube has a very in depth guide on 100% for every single level in 2016. Very easy to follow and the episodes aren’t too long either.
muted wolf
h
red flume
if you aim up while jumping you can pretty consistently get "from above" glory kills. jump boots or not.
noble moat
I find standing in front of a staggered enemy with my back to them aimed down. Jump and GK almost always does a death from above
rigid gale
Yep or double jumping while looking down at them works for me.
noble moat
Yes however from op’s post I bet he is in foundry since that requires the death from above, and you wouldn’t have double jump at that point
Plus out of all the maps it’s probably one of the least linear. That and the level afterwards
rigid gale
Oh shit yeah I forgot about that. Even though I’ve just started another play through. Not going for 100 on this one.
There are a lot of boxes on that level though so it shouldn’t be insanely difficult. Plus you can just lull yourself if you fail.
rigid gale
Meh there’s really no penalty for death other than progress so take as long as you’d like.
chrome nova
I just jump and aim down mostly, it's not required to be completely above them to do a Death From Above if I'm remembering correctly.
elder meadow
just noticed you get more hp from glory kills depending how much health you have atm, huh
never saw that
when i have 50+ hp, i get 5, occasionally 10 health drops from GKs (on ultra nightmare)
but when i have 30 or less i get up to 25
never even noticed that wtf
elder meadow
It's actually very smart
It doesn't let you die easily, but it also doesn't let you walk around with 200+ hp all the time
yea
same how glory kills can drop ammo if you have low
@noble moat At 50 hp you getting around ~15-20
nope
if you have 50 or above you only get 5 or 10
or i may be wrong, idk, dont think ive ever seen that happen tho
In this way, the player will always need to use glory kills and it will help the player if he has critically little number of something.
mhm
i dont see the point in doing glory kills if you have 70+ hp cause then youre just putting yourself in a vulnerable spot
I don't know what about you but I get 10-20 health points + armor cuz rune for each glory kill even with 100+ HP.
just walked straight into a projectile and died
...on UN, of course
what else?
In addition, you can not expose yourself to a vulnerable point during glory kill, enemies can not deal damage to you at this time.
I think the game slows down time a little more during glory kill but I can't be 100% sure.
yea but ive had TONS of occasions where i end a glory kill right as an imp shoots a fireball at me
or a soldier finishes charging his shot and fires it right onto my ass
or hell, even a baron or hell knight
or even a cyber mancubus
noble moat
Yes because always using GK on nightmare is smart
elder meadow
ONLY gk if you really need to
noble moat
Lemme just GK 8 times in a row and damn imp hit me
If you watch eternal gameplay every 4 seconds you can get full armor and health
And GK always drops a nice chunk of hp
elder meadow
- flame belch gives alot of armor too
Eternal is much faster in dynamics, so it should also restore health faster.
noble moat
Yes. But it also gives you full armor and health every 5 seconds
In doom 2016 as soon as you take major damage you are forced to play much more passively
Even using siphon grenades with equipment rune they only give so much back
elder meadow
im going to game end myself
i tried jumping across a gap in resource ops, imp cockblocks me and i fall into the void
we basically jumped at the same time, same spot
he flew into me and i fell
noble moat
Hate when that happens
tight igloo
almost time to rip and tear for me
red flume
I much prefer 2016's GK health amounts. In Eternal I never feel in as much danger since a GK at 50HP often gives me another 50.
This concludes today's installment of "Zirtonic talks about the things he likes better in 2016 than Eternal, which is most of them."
ornate basin
I hope you feel fulfilled
flint dune
The glory kill window is much smaller in Eternal though. They recover quicker and you’ll most likely kill the demon immediately after it staggers. The amount of HP is a way too much, I’ll agree, but I’d much rather them be useful unlike 2016’s GKs that aren’t worth the risk most of the time.
At least on Nightmare they aren’t
elder meadow
honestly i prefer 2016 over eternal
while i agree that eternal does ALOT of things better, i just like 2016 more
dont necessarily know why, i just prefer the feel of it
flint dune
I prefer Eternal as I have more fun with it, but I do think 2016 is the better game. The lighting and tone is much better in 2016 imo
elder meadow
the rune system was better tho
like how you could master runes
even tho runes were way less obvious in 2016
flint dune
Yeah. I think 2016 just had a killer vibe. I don’t get that same feeling from Eternal.
elder meadow
yeah since in like 90% of 2016 youre indoors
i loved to see those broken, rundown facilities
flint dune
Lighting is a big factor in 2016. Eternal’s lighting is flat.
elder meadow
my favorite level was vega processing core based off just looks
with all the snow and shit
flint dune
Agreed. Finally a change in scenery
elder meadow
and it was a great change too
rigid gale
Why are Cacodemons so much harder in this game!?
noble moat
Because you can’t instakill them
flint dune
Meh, Cacodemons in 2016 are much slower. Just no weak point to abuse.
red flume
The only thing that has me playing more Eternal is the load times. I know it's only a few seconds difference but A) it definitely feels like it adds up over the course of a session and B) the levels in Eternal are bigger so loading screens are less frequent.
Once again, blame megatextures.
If 2016 had Eternal load times I'd probably double how often I play through it.
rigid gale
The game randomly crashes for me. Is it my PC or does that happen to everyone?
elder meadow
Aside from the Cacodemon’s Green Eye, though, in Eternal, Cacodemon’s have 2 Weaknesses, the eye and swallowing a grenade stuns them
soft crest
yes, that is correct
elder meadow
Grant it, the tongue skewer in Multiplayer is scary and makes up for the CacoDemon’s slow speed
flint dune
Yes. The eye counts as a headshot/critical towards the Cacodemon in both games.
soft crest
I dont get the trash talk about cacos destroying the balance, they just really got their role in the battle changed
elder meadow
Though playing as the Cacodemon is fun, I choose between it, the Baron of Hell, and the Pinky(Spectre) in multiplayer matches
Gonna be focusing too much on the Spectre so I can get 250 kills and win the metal black armor color for my villain character armors, gonna have to pay for a 1 year WiFi soon since mine expires in less than 1 or 2 months
soft crest
I loved Harvester
didnt get enough love in Eternal
even though Penance is about harvesting souls, the harvest demon is missing
elder meadow
True, I saw the videos, funny that 2 of my armors resemble Heroes while 2 others will resemble Villains since we get 4 customizable armors
My main hero armor, is one of the Templar armors(forgot the name of it)with the Primary color being Metallic Royal Blue, with the secondary color being red(blue due to it being my favorite color, red due to it being my brother’s favorite color)
You know I would pay good money to see an action comedy series based on DOOM multiplayer
late scroll
Anyone ever see Doom 2016 retail cart for Switch in stores lately? I can't seem to find it anywhere and online the price goes through the roof. Is it really so scarce now?
elder meadow
It does. But it might be dead at current time.
arctic shard
doom 2k16 multi still has many players. but depending on your timezone, you would have to wait a bit longer.
in eu, it is easier to find a full room in the afternoon/evening
soft crest
I agree, I was able to easily find a match at 6am in the morning. Why I play 6am? Sleep schedule fucked up and all that.
inner cradle
Already at max lvl so I got no reason to play it anymore. Still better than BM imo
elder meadow
A lot of things are better than BM LMAO
rigid gale
Like Tonsillectomies, and forgetting to pull your pants down before going to the bathroom.
frozen veldt
i nade a snap mmap named joees lair
ornate basin
Swagadelic dude
elder meadow
i swear to god all my UN deaths are just stupid deaths
ive blowed myself up 4 times today
doesnt matter if its by my own gun or a barrel
ive also fallen into the void twice today aswell
quite literally all my deaths have been stupid accidents
like one time i tried to rocket launcher a group of demons, but the timing was shit, and accidentally shot the railing in front of me
since the jump was ending right as i shot
i wont stop tho
i will never give up
You know platforming sections is an SS tier enemy
my deaths werent even platforming sections
like once in resops i tried to jump across a gap
but an imp jumped at the same time as me, flew into me and cockblocked me
and i flew into the void
elder meadow
"If the player fully upgrades all weapons, the Praetor Suit, and has fully upgraded the health, armor, and ammo subsystems, a 4th shot for the BFG 9000 will be unlocked. It is unknown if this is true." -doom wikia, cap or not?
hushed vault
it's the goddamn Wikia
elder meadow
Cap it is
soft crest
This is like the thing "HowToUnLoCK LuiGi in 64"
@blissful imp Omg you can do that?!
blissful imp
Lmao
soft crest
(Jk jk)
rigid tapir
elder meadow
Neat
Gonna play multiplayer to blow people up later on. Family comes first though
Since gotta help care for my niece
elder meadow
Neat and sorry to hear that you lost it
ornate basin
Time to test if the crouch was a nightmare I came up with or real
Oh
It’s real
It’s so much slower
And no double jump is fucking with me
It feels so different
flint dune
You get double jump by level 4 I think? I like that you just start with it in Eternal
flint dune
Oh man, ikr.
strange raft
Doom better go on sale on steam soon.
noble moat
You don’t need stunbomb until you run into pinkies tbh. And that’s not until like level 7
chrome nova
I find stunbomb useful for those shield guys on Ultra-Nightmare.
Ya know, just in case I miss the grenade the first time around :/
ornate basin
Health, armor or ammo upgrade
chrome nova
I'm no expert, but I'd go with Health
Armor is kinda uncommon and Eternal taught us how to use chainsaw for ammo.
ornate basin
I didn’t get the animation
chrome nova
that's weird
ornate basin
I don’t care haydan
Let me leave
I don’t care about you were fucking with hell
Let me leave
Foundry time
chrome nova
Don't forget the secret rocket launcher
uncut trout
Is playing 2016 after Eternal annoying bc of the reduced movement?
chrome nova
I wanna go back to playing Doom 2016 so I can finally complete Ultra-Nightmare all the way through
but the controls are so different and I don't wanna go back to Eternal the second time and end up having to relearn Eternal's controls again
noble moat
Yeah unlike the differences between all the doom games
I think 2016-eternal is the hardest to go back and forth with
Most doom games are just different enough where you already know each game is it’s own.
But 2016 eternal are just similar enough where while playing you will be thinking the actions of the latter
Dash, meathook, freeze nades. Not falling to death. Can’t damage weak points. Etc
ornate basin
Foundry is donezo
I absolutely hate argent facility
Yay fucking rune trials
Also
What the fuck are these load times
Is there a way to turn off the music glory kill thing
It’s hard to enjoy the banging tracks when it stops every glory kill
flint dune
Yeah that’s why they got rid of them in Eternal, and no, you can’t turn them off.
ornate basin
I’m already on argent tower these levels are much shorter then the ones in eternal
noble moat
Pretty cool thing About 2016 e3 showcase
It has hell razers. But they are just the possessed soldiers
Wait fluffy you beat Argent tower and got to Kadingir sanctum?
noble moat
I highly suggest you do it while your reflexes are strong
ornate basin
Don’t want to deal with cacodemons now
noble moat
For cacos 4 rockets and a gauss is the fastest way to kill them before you get Siege mode
ornate basin
I forgot how easy this game is
From the uac to argent tower I died like 5 times on Ultra violence
noble moat
Play it on nightmare
ornate basin
I’ll probably do that
noble moat
In 2016 for sure UV and nightmare have a big difference
ornate basin
Now that I got the op weapons it feels like I’m cheating
noble moat
Yeah I can’t play on UV
It feels too easy for me
noble moat
Yeah once you get ammo upgrades 2016 is laughably easy
All you need is rockets and gauss at that point
ornate basin
I’m so glad I found my lost copy of this game
noble moat
Nice, I love 2016
ornate basin
Honestly
noble moat
Can’t wait for eternal
ornate basin
Coming from someone who has been playing eternal for a while
They are completely different games
The movement is really different
The ammo count makes combat more frantic and the chainsaw more important
noble moat
I’ve been practicing for the ammo,
I did a nightmare no ammo upgrade run
Which makes your ammo count roughly the same as maxed eternal ammo count
ornate basin
Doomguy runs a bit faster but without the crazy movement the games feels so slow
It’s like you’ve been crippled
noble moat
I can’t wait for all the movement abilities and maps and demons and
Everything
tight dawn
Cacodemons are so easy in 2016 unless you let them get close to you
You can lock on rocket them,
Use gauss, SSG them, or even stunlock them with the chaingun like in the originals
noble moat
Man watching the first level of eternal always reminds me how disappointed I am In how slow the first 3 levels of doom 2016 are
Hell in the first 2-3 minutes of eternal you have 2 Gun Mods and a chainsaw and 2 secrets found
In 2016 it would be like 15-20min from start to get first Mod
And it’s much slower paced. And 2 arena fights with just a standard shotgun.
And second weapon isn’t until near halfway of the second level
noble moat
I love the sound
ornate basin
These summoners that spawn hell knights aren’t cool though
noble moat
Oh man on Kadingir nightmare it’s ridiculous
Because if you don’t remove the summoners you WILL have 3-4 hell knights rushing you
ornate basin
Lock on is best for summoners
They’re kinda pushovers
Arch viles aren’t
Oh no
Lost souls
soft crest
Summoners only summon trash mobs, archviles summon tough mobs 
ornate basin
I haven’t seen him yet
high raptor
cyber mancs show up same level where you get the bfg
ornate basin
Advanced research complex is easily my favorite level
flint dune
They have the same HP as Barons iirc. Maybe slightly more?
noble moat
I definitely want to say more. I’ve been spamming vega processing level and face both regularly and cyber feels much beefier
flint dune
Maybe it’s due to how Bullet-Spongey they are.
ornate basin
I finished half the game in one night
flint dune
Nice
ornate basin
On ultra violence
100%ing each level
And maxed out both ssg and seige mode so this game is over
elder meadow
Oh boy. Not enough people playing Multiplayer XD
Now I remember what my character’s armor set is....Hallowed(Templar)
obsidian iron
rigid gale
I forgot how inconsistent this game is.
noble moat
Ikr. The “cutscenes” in this game are not long, maybe 2-3 min max.
But with how fast the game is they feel like they last forever
errant bloom
Yeah i prefer the secret encounters more
Which is kinda the replacement
Dont have to load to a trial
flint dune
I liked the idea of Rune trials, most of them were pretty boring to do though.
I’m not a fan how runes are just given to the player in Eternal. They didn’t even bother to hide them nor are they spread out. All the runes are shoved into 6 levels.
ornate basin
You know that big ass gore best at the end of advanced research complex
ornate basin
I have to do it twice because I missed some demons the first time
rigid gale
My issues are the random clips into the inside of the levels. The inconsistency in getting glory kills. The double jump not working half the time.
noble moat
As soon as you exit a ledge the first jump is no longer usable
I noticed that most ledges when you “think you can jump” you are already off the ledge, leading to a single jump
modest zealot
I am pretty bummed that DE doesn't reintroduce Double-Trouble
noble moat
No clue what that is
Unless you are referring to the guards
noble moat
Double ssg sucks tbh
You have to be point blank to use it, which is not where you want to be most of the time
ornate basin
You know what also sucks
noble moat
BFG
ornate basin
Lost souls not spawning thus not letting me get 100% kills
noble moat
You enter the secret and kill everything?
ornate basin
What?
noble moat
You enter the secret level and kill everything?
ornate basin
No it’s on advanced research complex after the cyber mancubus arena
noble moat
Which means
ornate basin
You know that part in arc where theres abounch of ledges and you go into a tube
The lost souls didn’t spawn there
noble moat
But did u enter the secret level and kill everything in there
ornate basin
There aren’t enemies in the secret level
noble moat
I see
uncut trout
2016 tracks kills? Does it also track items consumed?
ornate basin
Lazarus labs lets go
flint dune
Doesn’t play in the campaign, was scrapped iirc
golden cosmos
Bleh. At least Only Thing They Fear Is You plays in Eternal (Which has some e1m1 in it IMO)
Would be nice if tracks played in the Multiplayer. So the only music track we get to hear isn't just the Waiting theme. : (
uncut trout
We need BM music. Even if they played some existing songs from the campaign like SGN or Metal Hell, that would be great.
soft crest
Its hard to tell tbh, the music as of right now only starts to kick in when things become hectic with both sides at low health. This is pretty much the industry standart. I would preffer music, but then it would be really about how much and how would it fit. When things get hectic you pretty much know what to expect from players to do or attempt to be doing. The before has way more possibilities. But a true dynamic soundtrack would be like one thing really innovative in bm
high raptor
@golden cosmos I think that was the multiplayer beta menu music
soft crest
that indeed is beta, honestly I dont like this track much
golden cosmos
Better than what we got in the end for that screen. It's the only track my wife knows because she only plays multiplayer, it's fucking weird TBH that it's the case.
lethal timber
Got a question hope someone can help me..I had bought doom 2016 on PS4, but since bought a gaming PC and was wondering if I could move all my saves and progress from PS$4 to my PC? Anyone know if this is possible??
noble moat
No
lethal timber
dang
ornate basin
Just killed the cyberdemon
Harder then I remember even though I beat the first phase in less then a minute
ornate basin
On to the necropolis
atomic linden
is doom mp still a thing on console? pc is pretty much 1 lobby these days
ornate basin
But why would you want to play that
west gate
because he likes it
elder meadow
Gonna return to Multiplayer later on?
snow glade
multiplayer is still poppin w the team matches/free for all only i think
ornate basin
Hell gaurd time
First phase done without getting hit
2nd phase done with getting hit once
Vega central time
noble moat
Vega processing is arguably much harder
However you can cheese the entire level by using the BFG and the Power ups
If you don’t touch a single Powerup or use BFG
The level is a true test of skill
chrome nova
I end up doing that anyway because "what if I really need this BFG ammo later" and then I never use it.
I should get a map of where BFG ammo is located so I feel less paranoid.
noble moat
Meanwhile I never use BFG besides boss fights because I don’t feel like shooting them for 20 minutes
ornate basin
About to go squash a spider
Timed it
Minute and 44 seconds
These credits are better then the final boss
Now that I have finished 2016
My verdict is
Eternal is much better
noble moat
Lol
Now if only I could make that verdict, but I think I already know what my answer is
noble moat
XD
I actually can’t play right now
My joycons have officially reached the stage of unplayable for doom games
ornate basin
Do you have a pro controller
noble moat
My friend bought me a pro controller that will arrive in about a week
ornate basin
Well once you get it
Try to beat the game upside down to become the ultimate doom master
noble moat
Lmfao I’m actually tempted to do that
Fuck it not like I have eternal to play or anything ;-;
uncut trout
That sounds ridiculous but kinda interesting. If I saw that on yt, I would watch it.
elder meadow
finished this game on uv finally, never playing first person shooters on consoles again.
elder meadow
I was never much of a shooter on consoles, it wasnt that hard on uv but the weapon switching fucked me up real good
plus i did the under the mayo's brawler challenge
ornate basin
Especially this one
With the ssg in hand you don’t even need to be looking at the screen
fathom trench
once I'm done collecting all the dolls and finishing the arcade medals, then I'll move on to doom eternal
wooden heart
Lmao why tf whenever I'm in a menu in game in 2016 it is like 6fps
As soon as it brings up the weapon mods thing when I press the drone it goes to fps
wet vapor
I only poo poo farted for the good of humanity
elder meadow
Just as i said im done with shooters on ps4
i started a nightmare run..
Fucking hell i already died
fathom trench
@wooden heart what do you mean?
You're getting 6 frames per second in menus?
Try closing background applications and turning Vsync off.
wooden heart
when playing = 200fps, whenever a menu comes up = 6fps
noble moat
Welcome to the Squad
elder meadow
Gonna rest my head, phew multiplayer can make my head spin, but getting better and better each time
elder meadow
anyone up for Doom multiplayer??
fathom trench
@elder meadow please do tell. How is it on the switch.
noble moat
It’s great on switch
Obviously it doesn’t match up graphically as the other versions
No snapmap
Multiplayer is somewhat active. Certain times give much faster matchmaking
ornate basin
Snapmap never worked for me
noble moat
As for frames. For the most part it’s 30fps solid
However, on nightmare when enemies are more aggressive, and certain areas on certain maps, frames will drop lower
However frame droppage in doom 2016 is more of a slight slow down
Rather than a choppy feeling
I have 180 hours in it so I’d say my experience in it is at least worth the 2 cents
ornate basin
30 isn’t good
But it is good for the switch
noble moat
30fps is more than good
Also if you are getting it for the switch you are getting it for handheld mode or only have a switch
noble moat
Wasn’t referring to you I meant in general
Unless you are like me and portability is honestly your deciding factor. Then it’s probably best to get it on any other platform
ornate basin
I might get the other ones on switch though
noble moat
Oh yeah the other 3 are honestly perfect on switch
Only doom 3 has “slight” and I’m talking super slight frame issues at times, but oddly enough it was never during action or movement sequences
ornate basin
Is final doom on the switch
noble moat
Yes
It comes free with either doom 1 or 2
You also get the shit ton of other free add on map packs as well
@fathom trench but yeah those are my views and opinions on doom on switch
ornate basin
What map packs
noble moat
But if I had to be 10000% honest. I’d say wait for eternal and buy that instead.
Both are $60. And eternal will be much more optimized
ornate basin
Like sigil?
noble moat
Lemme check real quick fluffy there is a decent chunk
fathom trench
@noble moat The switch fascinates me tremendously. I mean yes its 30fps but holy shit we get games like doom and witcher 3 on a fucking portable!?!?
noble moat
IKR
fathom trench
30fps on a portable with Triple AAA titles is nothing to sneeze at all
furthermore...the outer worlds is also coming on switch?! God damn...
noble moat
Only like 13 gbs too for outer worlds
fathom trench
I think the nintendo switch sequel...now thays something to invest in
dafuq...how!??!?
fathom trench
how is it only 13 gbs
elder meadow
@fathom trench its amazing dude
elder meadow
Im back with an almost broken controller
now i see why the fuck its called nightmare
noble moat
Nightmare is easy tho
Just keep practicing, once you perfect the doom dance nightmare will seem the most fun just you wait
uncut trout
One of my controllers has the fire button work in combat but not work in menus. The arsenal and challenges require that button to navigate through them so it’s annoying having to go backwards through those menus.
teal citrus
5+ mins in Xbox queue and no matches in multiplayer? Found some weeks ago is it that dead?
mental pilot
maybe most play on pc?
noble moat
Not even
arctic shard
i think it depends on where u live.
in eu, it is easier to join in the afternoon/evening
primal bronze
Maybe a little bit easier
elder meadow
So umm just wanna drop this here.
Always play custom music when playing Doom 2016 MP.
It really helps A LOT.
pastel heart
@teal citrus I play on xbox to, and u really only get like 4 maybe 5 people
pastel heart
I am saving up for doom eternal
elder meadow
attempting to get slayer rating on every arcade mode map
on ultra nightmare of course, what else?
so far got slayer rating on the first 4 first try
fathom trench
I have difficulty finding any game other than "team play"
its good stuff
when I get into a game
quite fast paced and aggressive multiplayer
its decent enough actually and enjoyable. But its been 4 years and its not super active but you should be able to get in some games
Also I personally didn't buy the game for multiplayer but I tried it and its pretty fun
thought I'd drop my 0.02
noble moat
Yeah you pretty much can only do team play
Every other mode is dead for the most part
All in all the multiplayer is quite fun, if it didn’t have spectres or kinetic mines I would enjoy it magnitudes more
elder meadow
Im in kadingir sanctum, and holy shit
It gets super super hectic
Kandigir is alright i guess.
Try doing the chad run on Vega tho. That's when shit REALLY gets intense/
Yeah but two barons were chasing me and a mancubus and revenants were shooting at me
noble moat
Ah the end of kadingir
If you want the true doom experience
No BFG
No holo
No powerups
Little to no siege mode as well
And no double shot ssg
elder meadow
Ye know, at this point i kinda wish id would go back to Doom 2016 and fix the balance mess.
Or at least add a "hard mode" option
Hard Mode:
No ammo runes
1 BFG shot
Most BFG ammo removed
No power ups
No double SSG (should not exist to begin with tbh)
ornate basin
When you look past how cool everything is
2016 has some really big flaws
Stemming from the fact the game is piss easy
The game gives you so much ammo the chainsaw doesn’t need to
And the ssg, guass, rocket launcher and bfg are so stupid
The game really shines at foundry, titans relm and vega core
noble moat
Unless I do nightmare
No BFG
No certain runes
No double ssg
No siege
No powerups
No holo
No ammo upgrade
Then the game is too easy
ornate basin
I don’t even use hologram
noble moat
I never used it I ether, I think I tried once, it didn’t do anything so I never used it again
ornate basin
And rune trials are a slog
noble moat
Here is hella fun
Now shoot 30 barrels with a pistol
ornate basin
Wow this game is fun
Now go collect 15 d20s while running to a platform
elder meadow
Keep getting better and better at this. Spectre and Cacodemon will be my main demons depending on fighting locations
man ultra nightmare sucks
for some reason its gotten harder for me
like ive lost my touch
in my every attempt the farthest i get is argent facility destroyed
i usually die there
like ive gotten way farther before
now i just suck
noble moat
You played eternal?
noble moat
Eternal is easier and I haven’t even played it
ornate basin
It’s not
noble moat
It’s faster paced. But has tons of quality of life improvements,
Almost everything you do can heal you or give you armor
You can also instakill cacos and break weapons and revs and mancubus and arachnotrons
Much more movement abilities too
noble moat
Well I’ll find out when eternal comes to switch
I’ll still start it on nightmare
ornate basin
Good luck
noble moat
How is weapon swapping?
ornate basin
Slower
noble moat
I’ve seen videos and it seems you can swap faster than 2016
Yet everyone says it’s slower
elder meadow
eh i dont really see a difference
eternal is way easier
it provides more mobility options, helping you get out of sticky situations
you have easier access to health + armor
atleast imo, dk about u guys
ornate basin
You also don’t have an instant kill button
elder meadow
yea true
ornate basin
The weapons are much less cheesey
And all the movement options are there because all the enemies are much faster
elder meadow
yea yea i agree
errant bloom
UV in 2016 is easy af while UV on Eternal is atleast challenging. Nightmare on the other hand is less forgiving in 2016.
elder meadow
idk i just find eternal to be easier for me
errant bloom
Maybe ur just that good
noble moat
Instakill button?
noble moat
Ah I don’t use siege
elder meadow
siege mode mastered makes the game easy
noble moat
Unless I do nightmare
No BFG
No certain runes
No double ssg
No siege
No powerups
No holo
No ammo upgrade
Handheld
No gyro
Switch
Then the game is too easy
noble moat
I’m honestly hoping eternal is faster paced
elder meadow
i only use powerups if theres a certain mission that requires it
noble moat
I love 2016, but it doesn’t give any real challenge anymore
elder meadow
oh trust me eternal is very fast paced
the enemy encounters are way harder, theres more movement options
you're constantly underpressure, especially in slayer gates
noble moat
The only “challenge” I have left is an UN run,
But technically I already did that twice, I had 2 deathless nightmare runs
ornate basin
Eternal is so much faster It will give you whiplash
noble moat
I’ll probably still go for the UN save file anyways, still have a few months until eternal launches anyway
Rumor says June 27 from some “well known” eBay seller company. But I doubt that’s true
ornate basin
I’m telling you do that upside down switch run
elder meadow
lmao
noble moat
Oh right, I need to wait for my controller to come in first tho
Lemme write that down somewhere
I’ll still do it nightmare too
With my usual rules of course as well
elder meadow
inverted controls un run
noble moat
Lol I don’t want painful
ornate basin
Southpaw un run
elder meadow
i think you'd get used to it after like 3 levels
noble moat
I’ll do it upside down but changed controls is pain
ornate basin
No you misunderstand
You take you joycons off the switch
And then flip the switch upside down
noble moat
I know that’s what I will do
ornate basin
And pistol only UN
elder meadow
anyways at this point i think ive replayed the first levels so much i could 100% them all
noble moat
No fuck that there’s no fun in that
elder meadow
like the first 5 or something
elder meadow
and you turn off the lights in your house and have to use a flashlight to see
noble moat
I’ll have to wait for my controller tho.
I haven’t played doom in 4 weeks because of my fucked up joycons
It should come in 2-4days
elder meadow
i skip all of the secrets in uac
except blueguy because hes on a shortcut
i also get classic doomguy most of the time to get speedy recovery
but i skip the classic level
to also skip the encounter with like 8 imps
elder meadow
you should give it a shot
ornate basin
I did in eternal
elder meadow
see how far you get on your first attempt
noble moat
I will definitely do it in eternal
ornate basin
It’s not fun
elder meadow
i got to doom hunter base on my first try
the rest was smooth sailing
other than the fact i died like 10 times before actually beating it
elder meadow
its not hard after you get the hang of the game
noble moat
2016 you can only replay last 4 missions. Rest are too easy
elder meadow
and exploit the weaknesses
elder meadow
Still laughing when I blew up an opponent, who tried to attack me from behind, with a Kinetic Mine
flint dune
Alright well now I know to never uninstall D2016 from my PS4. It has taken 14 hours for this game to re-download itself and my saved data. Not exaggerating. 
elder meadow
My Xbox did that too, even from disc.
brave jewel
anyone else have a glitch for the historian achievement? specifically level advanced research complex. i have a full codex and runes. but the game says im missing a datapad
elder meadow
I had issues with other achievements, but that one went fine for me.
In the end i managed to fix all of them by replaying the game.
brave jewel
I see no downside to that!
elder meadow
Fun fact: You can use BFG 12 times in Vega Central Processing without the ammo rune.
fathom trench
finally got silver on kandingir sanctum. Off gold by like 100k points
elder meadow
In Multiplayer?
faint ridge
arcade mode
faint ridge
You can replay the last 4 mission on UN?
fresh hearth
Played some 2016 after not touching it after many eternal runs
Gotta say, you don’t feel as slow as you expect. It’s really just lack of meathook & dashing.
I also missed that darker tone 2016 had. It was prefect imo (I love eternal’s tone at the same time but for doom, 2016 had a great balance) still the lack of colors in some level gives a visual blandness eternal def fixed.
Also the demons feel like they have no idea what going on and can’t keep up with any kind of weapon switching
Eternal is a better game in a lot of ways, but I see no need to ever say 2016 is unplayable
(Epic opinion piece no one asked for over)
ornate basin
No one said 2016 was unplayable
noble moat
^
The only reason doom 2016 is unplayable is because my joycons are broken. If somehow I was the one who gave the confusion
elder meadow
@fresh hearth If you want colors, load up Boneyard in Multiplayer.
fresh hearth
@ornate basin some have
ornate basin
I wonder why
fresh hearth
Bet they’re nerds
ornate basin
Sure playing 2016 after eternal can be a pain
But if you’ve played 2016 enough it won’t take long for your brain to switch to 2016 mode
elder meadow
Only thing i miss in 2016 is the meathook. That definitely would have helped.
As for everything else, i still love Doom 2016 for what it is.
fresh hearth
My point was, it’s not as bad as people said it would be. 2016 is still fast shooter. Really tbh it’s just the demons can’t keep up. That’s really the only thing
elder meadow
"demons can't keep up"
That one Cyber Mancubus that always has an aimbot: "Are you challenging me?"
fresh hearth
Yeah, I literally just play against multiple
elder meadow
No seriously, am i the only one who noticed that?
fresh hearth
The projectiles or so slow and predictable
noble moat
Imp speed ball has entered the chat
elder meadow
Sometimes Cyber Mancubus will just snipe you from other side of the map and take away like 60% of your health in one shot.
fresh hearth
Just figure 8 horizontally in the air lmao
noble moat
Oh man cybermancubus sniping is truly evil
fresh hearth
The imp fireballs are doodoo slow lmao
elder meadow
Even tho Cyber Mancubus is the biggest pain in the ass, he is still my favorite demon.
There is just something so hilarious about him.
noble moat
No. The imp speed fireballs
fresh hearth
Yeah, ik
noble moat
The tiny dot like shits that fly fast and do 35damage
elder meadow
Shield guy: exists
Gauss: Im about to end this man's whole career
fresh hearth
The enemy targeting in eternal is different, they try to predict your moments now because they expect you to dash back and forth. In 2016 they would miss on purpose if you’re moving
ornate basin
How do you have trouble with them
fresh hearth
n00bies
elder meadow
Because they are fat and have better aim than any of us?
fresh hearth
They have doodoo and and are slow lmao
elder meadow
Siege? Yes.
But Siege is gay.
fresh hearth
just dodge better lmao
elder meadow
If you are spamming Siege you are a puss.
noble moat
^
ornate basin
Almost any weapon is cheese able
noble moat
Unless I do nightmare
No BFG
No certain runes
No double ssg
No siege
No powerups
No holo
No ammo upgrade
Then the game is too easy
The only real way to play doom
ornate basin
The only way for this game to be hard is to only use the combat shotgun
On nightmare
elder meadow
Ok sure
Go do Shotgun only Vega Processing
I would like to see how many times you will be obliterated.
ornate basin
Yeah that would be hard
Which was my point
fresh hearth
Imagine thinking Nightmare is hard
elder meadow
No BFG
No certain runes
No double ssg
No siege spam
No powerups
No holo
No ammo runes
Those are the chad rules.
fresh hearth
Chad rules is pistol only UN
ornate basin
Does anyone actually use holo anyway
elder meadow
And yes the game does become hard.
If you think otherwise then you overestimate your power.
Or you just want to be a jerk.
fresh hearth
Does anyone actually use holo anyway
It’s actually really good surprisingly
ornate basin
I did a pistol only run
I haven’t been the same since
elder meadow
I actually never used it in my 250 hours played.
Not once.
So i have no idea how effective it is
ornate basin
The pistol only run is for people who want to hate this game
fresh hearth
doing reserve handicap just shows the games balancing issues
noble moat
When people keep saying pistol only
That’s not hard, that’s just stupid
ornate basin
It’s so much worse then stupid
It’s so fucking idiotic
That words cannot describe how dumb it is
noble moat
Oh I already know it’s dumb, that’s why I’m not going to do it
elder meadow
I might do it
ornate basin
Don’t do it
fresh hearth
When people keep saying pistol only
That’s not hard, that’s just stupid
@noble moat Issa joke
ornate basin
Save yourself
elder meadow
Cause boredom.
I have nothing else to do.
ornate basin
No no no please
noble moat
Oh trust me, I forgot who it is but they keep saying to do pistol only
elder meadow
Life got so boring, i actually started achievement hunting.
noble moat
Dude Aryzon achievement hunting?
fresh hearth
@noble moat you’re still waiting for doom eternal on switch right?
noble moat
;-;
fresh hearth
My condolences
elder meadow
noble moat
It sucks more so that it’s not in the eshop to preorder,
If it was I could at least be playing doom 64 while I wait
elder meadow
Bruh lemme tell you something
Doom 64 is the most stagnant and repetitive game i have EVER seen.
fresh hearth
It’s weird that they haven’t even mentioned the port
elder meadow
I doubt i will ever be able to finish it to begin with LMAO
fresh hearth
Say that on #690991771039039498
noble moat
The only news we have is from a week before eternals launch when Panic button said thx for the kind words when Marty Stratton said how impressive eternal was on switch.
That was 2.5 months ago
elder meadow
Like it is really just
Running through identical looking hallways, finding a button, pressing that button. And then trying to find the door that the button opened.
That for 32 levels.
flint dune
Doom 64? Kind of agree there.
elder meadow
At one point i was just done with it. I could not take it anymore.
flint dune
I’m replaying D2016’s campaign for the first time in around 10 months. I forgot how inconsistent the ledge grab is...
fresh hearth
And the glory kill detection
flint dune
Oh yeah, that too. At first I thought 2016 was the better game, I take that back now. Eternal is so much more fun imo.
Not having double jump for the first few levels is killing me
ornate basin
It’s mean
faint ridge
2016 will always be superior for not having an ammo drought
noble moat
Then there is me, who purposefully doesn’t upgrade the ammo because I feel there is too much
elder meadow
Yeah ammo wise 2016 is far more generous, which is why i love the mobile turret so much
spray and pray until it is done
faint ridge
AMMO RUNE
uncut trout
I haven’t played 2016, but I like how the ammo count works in Eternal
faint ridge
you can upgrade your ammo pool in 16