Because ammo placement
#doom-2016
drowsy solstice
They give you a million assault rifle rounds and rockets but the rest are really rare
And I ended up using the same 2-3 guns
This is just me but I find the weapon balancing and how they place ammo in maps very wonky
latent oxide
yeah, weapon balancing in Doom is clunky
basically, the first half of weapons is outclassed by the second half
and RL is just awful
blissful imp
just like ssg in doom 2
drowsy solstice
in doom 2 the pump shotgun is much more efficient against small groups
sorry what is RL? @latent oxide
latent oxide
Rocket Launcher
it sucks in Doom 16 and it sucks even harder in multiplayer
used to do 55 dmg on direct hit, that's just pathetic
drowsy solstice
maybe that's why they just flood you with ammo
making the grenade shot utterly useless while turning the RL into a glorified grenade launcher
latent oxide
thankfully, they buffed RL in Doom Eternal
that's one thing I like about its rebalances
latent oxide
I still don't like them nerfing ammo capacity
they said it's encourage people to switch games, resolving the issue where people ran through the entirety of Doom 16 with just Super Shotgun
maybe they should have fixed the weapon balance instead of artificially forcing the player to use different weapons
Super Shotgun is actually alright in Doom 16 in its stock form, it just gets stupidly OP when fully upgraded
they nerfed SSG in Doom Eternal by removing reload speed and "two shots before reloading" upgrades which was good enough
plus a lot of the higher-tier demos cannot be approached at close range
blissful imp
The only thing i hate with the Plasma rifle, he shoot really little blue balls
blissful imp
Timecode ?
harsh smelt
6:30
latent oxide
it's in the link
latent oxide
what are you talking about, SSG looks same
blissful imp
Yeah
But i love E3 Demo of Doom, it never show how to play the game lmao
latent oxide
some differences from the final game
HUD is monochrome, different imp design, different pickup designs
glory kills are slower
blissful imp
The Super chainsaw tho
blissful imp
Yeah, maybe it was for the demo
And the name "Super" chainsaw
latent oxide
I have three theories for why it is:
- it did not consume fuel when used on small demons
- they simply did not implement fuel consumption yet
- they cheated and gave Chainsaw unlimited fuel for the demo
also, it has 6 fuel units right off the bat, in the final game you start with 3 and it goes up to 7
here's an interesting thing, in 2015 Closed Alpha, there's no Pistol
slot 1 is just Chainsaw
this suggests that Chainsaw was your original emergency weapon which would explain why it does not consume fuel in the demo
Pistol was apparently added quite late in development
hushed vault
I feel like they were originally gonna go with the old space marine storyline too considering the Slayer's Mark isn't on the helmet and 2016's story was apparently written really, really late into development
latent oxide
there were at least one iteration of the story before the final one, too
hushed vault
so late that Hugo refused to specify because it would make him look irresponsible
latent oxide
the earlier story featured more characters
your mission control was a more humorous character named Spencer
there was no Samuel Hayden but there was a character that appears to be his prototype named Jack
hushed vault
chair Hayden
latent oxide
Olivia Pierce was there, though
so was VEGA
you would also find audio logs throughout the game like in Doom 3
blissful imp
Weird, Grenade launcher
Because i am a terrorist i'm gonna to do a NM run with
-no HUD
-Doom classic weapon
-no ammo upgrade
-no reticule or simple reticule
Its bassicaly the Bobthebob5 challenge with extra-step
I'm gonna to be in pain
And all that on Handled mode of nintendo switch
I love how possesed soldier take ~5 shotgun shell just to be staggered
elder meadow
What’s NM stand for?
flint dune
Nightmare
drowsy solstice
@latent oxide yeah I agree with all that
it gets even worse in eternal when they keep forcing you to use chainsaw
tight bay
Anyone down for some tdm on ps4? (2016)
drowsy solstice
@blissful imp I feel like the pump shotgun should always deal exactly half damage as super shotgun
the point of super shotgun is that you get to have one very high damage blast
at the expense of more ammo consumption and less versatility
still rune
i prefer doom 2016 over eternal
like dont get me wrong eternal is super fluid and stuff but 2016 did the atmosphere and stuff better
drowsy solstice
if only I could just tweak the pump shotgun to my liking
But the design is also very odd
Why is the pump travel so short?
It's too short to travel all the way to fit the shell
elder meadow
Doom 2016 was my first official experience with the franchise
blissful imp
Me doom 2016 its my second favorite doom
drowsy solstice
according to doom wiki
super shotgun deals 960 damage per shot
pump shotgun deals 240
what the fuck is this
blissful imp
Wtf, 960 damage lmao
elder meadow
Huh explains why the pathetic imp that's been sniping me from across the map evaporates and melts when I shoot it with it
elder meadow
I felt a little guilty only using the super shotgun after getting it but at like the last quarter of the game I started only using it for pinkys,hell knights,and revenants until the last few missions where I was like FUCK IT and used it like the pump
Which means all the time
drowsy solstice
i just use the SSG
i have the double shot uprade
so it just makes the regular shotgun redundant
drowsy solstice
3 times more
elder meadow
Yeah but the pump does have the explosive shot which is very help for sniping
latent oxide
960 / 240 = 4
drowsy solstice
it's common dw
latent oxide
Yeah but the pump does have the explosive shot which is very help for sniping
@elder meadow made redundant by Rocket Launcher and Gauss Cannon
elder meadow
Yeah but when you first get it and say to the imp's who've been shooting fireballs at you "I can do that too now"
drowsy solstice
yeah the RL makes the explosive shot redundant
and you're better off using the buckshot on the SSG
latent oxide
in Doom Eternal, they buffed it and made it destroy weak points so it's more useful there
drowsy solstice
imo having the weakspots in the first place constricts gameplay but it's just me
latent oxide
probably one of the reasons they made the demons more aggressive
latent oxide
e.g. Arachnotron is a pain in the ass until you shoot off its cannon
elder meadow
Maurauders aren't bad enemies
noble moat
Nice
blissful imp
With No HUD basically lmao
noble moat
Eh No HUD is just to add a handicap doesn’t add any skill
Now No HUD no button prompts in Metro Last light is amazing. Makes the game immersive af
blissful imp
Yeah i know
But no HUD Doom is so good to not stressed out and concentrate
noble moat
If not knowing when you run out of ammo doesnt stress you out go for it. Especially since you said no ammo upgrades means that’s gunna happen a bunch
blissful imp
Yeah i know
This is why i make no hud run
I never use both
But yeah, explosive shot is better
latent oxide
Summoners were originally named Archviles
I guess they renamed it when they realized it has little in common with the original Archvile
blissful imp
Summoner are Imps tho lmao
ornate basin
Everything are imps
Prowlers are teleporting imps
Gargoyles are flying imps
Summoners are squid imps
Barrons are musley imps
Cacodemons are round imps
noble moat
Cacodemon are fat imps
elder meadow
Cacodemon is lazy pinky who FLLLLOOOOOAAATTTS
noble moat
There are no mods worth using
noble moat
My guy just said try right clicking
elder meadow
I thought that's what you did cause you don't aim in doom
You're weapon mods
That's it
Hm
ornate basin
Press the glory kill button
flint dune
In Snapmap you can use fists if you take the player’s weapons away. In the campaign you can only jab with your gun
noble moat
And you already want mods
blissful imp
I love Doom 2016 MP, its not dead lmao
Idk why and how
I always found game in (French) ~6p.m (On NA server)
blissful imp
No there is no coop
covert marsh
There is a multiplayer however, it’s not great but it’s playable
I preferred to play snapmap in DOOM 2016(kinda wish we could use ALL the demons though.)
flint dune
There’s a way to get the summoner in Snapmap actually
Wish Snapmap was in Eternal, really enjoyed playing it in 2016 too
noble moat
Something something too much work for the time to create/ wanted to spend most of dev time on the single player experience which is what doom is Truly about
I believe they said something along these lines
flint dune
I know, although they did spend much more time on the MP for Eternal than with 2016
blissful imp
Doom Eternal Switch Info or consequence 
blissful imp
Why i saw a people with a grey name
elder meadow
I mean, they're making Eternal have modding support so we'll likely get something more complex than snapmap(I hope)
flint dune
Well only one platform (PC) can use mods, which is unfortunate :/
elder meadow
Custom BSP/Level design creation would be great.
Something like the Unreal Editor maybe. That would be fantastic.
I wish more games had something like that. Hammer editor, Unreal editor, etc...
flint dune
Yeah agreed
noble moat
No they are not making eternal have modding support @elder meadow
They said they don’t know how well id tech 7 will work with mods/ are unsure if eternal will have mod support by the time they figure it out,
However they did say the next id tech 7 game should definitely have mod support by then
hushed crypt
I just got 2016 so I could catch up on lore
It plays nicely hut I'm also on console
I just started a nightmare run so if anyone could give me some controller tips or tips in general that'd be appreciated
flint dune
Turn up your sensitivity if you haven’t already and never stop moving, never. The Imps in this game deal 75 damage per hit on NM and sometimes they can hitscan
Also, there’s a lot of cheese in this game. If you want I can tell you some good combos with runes and stuff but it kind of makes the game too easy.
noble moat
^
Make your sensitivity super high, but manageable,
High sensitivity is useless if you miss everything
drowsy solstice
yep
wide stirrup
does anyone else have toooooo much trouble getting past the two first stages of ultra nightmare lol
something tells me that the first levels are the hardest in UN
open shell
yeah, they totally are
those possessed soldiers and imps are pretty mean when you don't have frags or the nade mod
spiral cloud
hOw do i beat the cyberdemon??
red flume
Foundry is easily the hardest level in the game imo. Especially the bottom gore nest fight that one always wrecks me.
noble moat
I find foundry quite easy tbh
blissful imp
Foundry=easy but
The yellow key respawn with no ammo=death
The gore nest corner=death
elder meadow
Worst demon in the game
slender cypress
Doom 2016 wow
drowsy solstice
@spiral cloud use BFG to nuke him when he makes those walls
and then slap him with buckshot
tight bay
Anyone wanna play some tdm?
spiral cloud
i acc beat the mf already
red flume
does super turbo turkey puncher count as a secret? I forget.
did you grab the mega health above the air vent hatch thing?
it comes with a surprise 😉
blissful imp
The last secret ?
What secret?
And what secret did you found ?
Hah yes
That secret
Its not that important, Because you always need even to restart level for 100% mastery completion
Sorry i mispelled my message
lethal yarrow
Gotta say, having returned to Doom (2016) from Doom Eternal replay burnout, after a long absence, and having made up my mind that it was inferior and fearing it'd be hard to return to...
It's fine, it's still excellent, and it's different enough that its combat system seems fresh again despite having the same enemies as Eternal.
Eternal is a lot less derivative from 2016 than I had remembered, it's much closer to a rework than an enhancement.
red flume
Fully agreed. Combat wise they're 2 different games and I play one or the other depending on my mood.
On the whole I prefer 2016 for it's methodical combat and more grounded narrative, but they're both excellent games.
it's weird since mega healths are sometimes secrets, sometimes not
blissful imp
Hah with a Horrible Face
blissful imp
The Barrel on Nightmare
blissful imp
Yeah
lethal yarrow
I remember thinking barrels in Eternal were a little underwhelming.
But in 2016 it's more like: "oh cool, I can kill this imp across the arena with a careful barrel explosion. oh, what's this chain rea--<<explodes>>
elder meadow
For some reason Samuel Hayden's in-game/in-files model is called Spencer in doom 2016
ornate basin
Welcome I’m Spencer I believe we can work together to resolve this problem in a way that benefits us both
Mick got screwed with the official soundtrack
Which is just really sad
noble moat
Now if whoever it was gives him more time to fix it Then he should be fine. But as of yet the next doom game won’t have Mick music.
ornate basin
Perfect time to do a more doom 64 or 3 like game I guess
noble moat
That won’t happen
64 and 3 and 2016 multiplayer were shit on by the community/ majority,
A smart company will decide that’s it and not go back. Which sucks, but that’s what happens
Although in 64 case it was more so lack of clarity/ communication than anything else
Since everyone thought it was just a 64 port of 93
ornate basin
It’s original title was doom the absolution if they kept that maybe doom 64 wouldn’t have been so forgotten
noble moat
Oh 100% if it had a different name It woulda been better distinguished
ornate basin
Nintendo had a put 64 in the title fetish
blissful imp
Eternal plasma rifle>Doom original plasma rifle
elder meadow
i personally prefer the 2016 model, it looks better imo
eternal's is the one from the original but now in full 3d
2016 plasma didn't sound good to me.
red flume
2016 plasma sounds like slapping raw meat together
tribal rivet
flint dune
I think any of the trash cans have it, could be wrong though
vernal bolt
i bought doom 2016 last summer for my friend's birthday, did i accidentally told him to go to hell?
blissful imp
Why lmao ?
I mean, Doom 2016 on NM without ammo upgrade, with the SGG is gonna to be interesting
Litteraly 10 shot
I can kill only 2 hell knight with these
But its the challenge to be trained at Doom Eternal
noble moat
If I did it on a switch you can do it
Don’t rely too heavily on SSG
Get used to it, because flaming hook for eternal seems essential. But get used to grenade launcher more on combat shotgun
Sticky grenades seem like the go to for crowd control/ weak point breakage
blissful imp
Yeah, i can do it, its not that hard
Its just not the same gameplay
I feel more the "Doom" Original about ammo
And because of that i use the Assault rifle
And RL
golden cosmos
@fair cedar do you play Doom 2016 deathmatch?
fair cedar
Used to, haven't played since Eternal came out
sage agate
sup
drowsy solstice
Samuel Hayden is such a badass in doom 2016
gusty onyx
He is? What'd he do? Besides talk
lethal yarrow
The longer Samuel Hayden remains on Mars, the more loquacious he becomes.
drowsy solstice
@gusty onyx having a badass voice and a towering design
viral dune
So I'm planning on getting all the secret classic maps. Can I obtain all of them through mission select and without completing a level?
flint dune
Once you pull the lever and find the area and enter it, yes
blissful imp
Doom 2016 without HUD is not that hard
nimble bone
Doom 2016, is it available in Steam?
blissful imp
I never played Eternal so, i can't help you for getting Doom 2016
I think you should buy it
Cool, better gameplay with Mouse
Yeah, try it
Some people think 2016 is better than eternal
But 2016 is not really balanced and you don't move like Eternal
late scroll
Samuel Hayden is my favourite character from these new games. His line deliveries are just excellent
blissful imp
The only thing is Double jump, there are not other thing
late scroll
No monkey bars, no dash, no flame belch, grenades you actually throw so you can't shoot while using them....
no ice grenades
no enemy weak points
there's a hologram item though which acts as a decoy (kind of like Duke Nukem 3D's holoduke)
Yes but that doesn't make it un-fun. It's just different
Weapons don't have a strategic purpose in 16 like they do in Eternal so you can just fight with whatever weapons you want
Plasma Canon doesn't blow up enemy shields
oh yes way more
and when you upgrade you get bigger boosts
Shotgun ammo starts with 20 and when you upgrade it goes up to 30 or something
and up and up
After playing Eternal it may feel like kid gloves, but if I may say I just started playing it recently and I've been dying a lot so....
it's different.
viral dune
@elder meadow You played Eternal before 2016?
blissful imp
Yeah on full level you can Carry 60 shell lmao
viral dune
Well, it is the best if you play 2016 first
late scroll
In Eternal they nerfed ammo because they wanted you to use more weapons and to use different weapons to achieve different goals
blissful imp
And i'm currently Playing NM with no ammo upgrade
For Eternal
viral dune
Doom 2016 might feel too easy and boring for you if you finish Eternal first
late scroll
In 2016 it doesn't matter as much. Still has dual weapon upgrades for every gun though
blissful imp
Easy, Ultranightmare with no lives
late scroll
@elder meadow Hey, original Doom let you have 50. And Doom II let you have 100
viral dune
I'm planning on another 2016 walkthrough just to collect all secrets
blissful imp
You can have 100 in Doom 1 via Backpack
late scroll
I can't do a first run without getting all secrets lol. And secret hunting is so easy in Eternal. That's one thing I like better about 2016 actually
@blissful imp Right I forgot that
viral dune
I shoot supershotgun to imps all the time, even I know it is wasting of ammo
But like, it's satisfied and 100 ammo, so come on
I'm so lazy to replay Doom rn Dx
blissful imp
And Doom 2016 SSG is so powerfull
viral dune
Yes
blissful imp
And the Secret give you classic levels and 3d model
viral dune
When I switch weapons, the weapons usually looks low quality for a few seconds then goes high quality again
Does anyone know how to make weapon textures load faster?
late scroll
@blissful imp Eternal secrets give you 3D models too.
@gray mango AFAIK there isn't a way as it scales to your system doesn't it? So it loads as fast as your system can handle?
viral dune
I have 18 costing things
Should I use all of them to my doom weapons upgrade lol
Should I turn motion blur on??
late scroll
That's the worst
blissful imp
During slow motion.
Found a zone with possesed, and let them kill you, and use the Miracle time to explose them
I think
burnt badger
Yep only during slow-motion, and I recommend turning vacuum off since picking up health seems to actually reduce that slow-mo time
As soon as you see the challenge complete, you can put it back on to get all that tasty health your BFG kills got.
blissful imp
Yeah
Like i said its pretty weird to clip and to be stuck, even if you retry it to escape
blissful imp
On ?
red flume
same shit on necropolis. went to back track for a secret and had to redo the level.
the multiplayer stuff?
blissful imp
Yeah
red flume
short answer: yes.
longer answer: for the final update they made all past DLC free and integrated it into multiplayer progression.
arctic shard
i just play a multiplayer match and i got killed (almost always) immediately by lightning gun (hp 100 armour 15+)
is that possible with that gun? iirc, the lightning gun is not that strong
thick heart
noble moat
If you alt fire thr floor it kinda turns into a lightning shotgun
That’s the only way I can describe it
blissful imp
Alt fire do ~14/20 damage per second
arctic shard
that's the thing. i tested it with the bot. I couldnt kill them fast enough.
i might try the trick shooting to the floor to see how it ends
noble moat
Most likely you have been shot and killed by tons of other things at the exact same time
Sniped, Mine. Grenade from behind. Snipers etc
blissful imp
Mine, are horrible
blissful imp
I play on handled Switch
Yeah, but for me its impossible to play on TV
Every game i'm bad on tv
flint dune
Console is fun to play on, but I agree that PC is just a much better experience
Especially for games like Doom...even with high sensitivity on my controller, turn speed still feels a bit slow
blissful imp
I don't play with a lot of sensibility
noble moat
Subjective
blissful imp
Lot of sensibility=/=Skill
noble moat
Not u
The pc is a better experience.
The better experience is whatever you enjoy most
I guarantee even with some miracle $10k rig I won’t have the same experience I get playing in my hands in bed
blissful imp
Yeah
noble moat
My guy wants Sao
I assume 15 on pc is a lot?
I don’t believe massive sensitivity makes you better tho
I mean yeah you need high sensitivity to turn and such, but are you even hitting your shots?
Difficulty?
Har?
Oh why are you even using that?
It’s terrible tbh in 2016. Not even the micro missiles are worth it once u get mini gun
I don’t think you know how to use half the guns well in doom,
This is the second time you’ve said a gun is incredibly immobile,
Gauss and Minigun
ornate basin
The mobile turret is game breaking
noble moat
^
noble moat
You only ever use Mobile turret when you KNOW, you will kill something, then you swap out right away,
Gauss is op for artificial dashing, one shooting low level mobs, Sieging medium mobs etc
noble moat
True but not fun imo
ornate basin
It’s completely busted
noble moat
Bro I literally ended that sentence with imo
2016 gives you hella ways to cheese the game
ornate basin
For some reason when I first got the guass cannon I didn’t get siege mode because I thought It would be bad
blissful imp
Because of no ammo upgrade, i never use the SSG
It hurt
noble moat
Oh flat You can use SSG just can’t cheese it
ornate basin
Which is what it’s designed for
ionic geyser
I love doom 2017
noble moat
I use it for Razers, hellknights*, revenants
ornate basin
Especially when you get the double shot
noble moat
Oh I didn’t give it double shot
ionic geyser
Hell knight is really strong
noble moat
You are not supposed to use it to fully kill any medium monster
Ssg is a finisher weapon
ornate basin
How long have you been playing 2016
blissful imp
No, juste like doom 2 i thinks its more ~4 shot to kill a Hell Knight
ornate basin
I think most people would’ve found out how busted the ssg is by now
noble moat
I suggest playing on Hurt me plenty One more time before doing UV like u are now
Like u said you are having trouble on necropolis and it only gets more intense from there
blissful imp
Now i think UV is Boring and easy, weird
noble moat
I only ever did nightmare so idk hw it is
Oh speaking of it, Amnesia you have siphon grenades yet?
ornate basin
I never did UV I went straight to nightmare after HMP
You’ll wanna use siphon grenades
noble moat
Siphon Grenades with equipment rune is necessity for doom 2016
Especially as practice for eternal
ornate basin
2016 is so easy with all the cheese weapons they give you
Ssg guass mini gun and siphon grenades
noble moat
That’s why I balanced it out by doing a nightmare no ammo upgrade run
ornate basin
I hated rune trials with a burning passion
blissful imp
Siphon grenade like hologram can be skipped easily
noble moat
Non stop action arena arena : shoot these barrels with pistol yeah?
Massive ammo capacity. 60 shotgun rounds is absurd
And 35 rockets
ornate basin
KiLl PeOpLe WiThOuT mOvInG
noble moat
You can’t compare original doom to new doom
ornate basin
YoU cAn OnLy MoVe FoR 3 SeCoNdS
noble moat
Then good for you. Don’t
But that causes half your problems
Game design is fine, you just need to learn it
2016 isn’t a focus on one enemy game, it’s a non stop focus this guy switch weapon switch new weapon switch again, grenade siphon GK, rpg this guy mobile turret this gauss dash this guy repeat ever 10 seconds
ornate basin
Maybe your just bad...
noble moat
Then the game isn’t for you
ornate basin
Doom is pretty different from most other modern fps
noble moat
And by “most fps” you mean hide behind cover and wait to recharge health right
ornate basin
Yeah
arctic shard
@noble moat no i looked at the dmg i took. 100+ from lightning gun
ornate basin
Regen health games are usually bad
arctic shard
if there were other dmgs, i would not ask. It's pretty strange though
noble moat
He could have had haste or quad damage on
arctic shard
nope
ornate basin
Sometimes regen health games can be the worst games of all time
noble moat
Headshots
Or just a hacker 2016 multiplayer is riddled with those especially for pc
ornate basin
Like postal 3 or duke nukem forever
arctic shard
it is the only time i dealt with lightning gun and fell so fast
ornate basin
Never play postal 3
noble moat
Amnesia I’m not calling you bad. And I’m not ridiculing you in anyway. But you both refuse to learn to play the game how it’s meant to be played. And complain about it
ornate basin
It’s the worst game ever
noble moat
It’s like me hating dark souls because I have to roll every 3 seconds
I just hate games involving rolling every freaking action
arctic shard
i usually dont play fps, esp. fps multiplayer. but i really like doom 2016.
perhaps, it depends on your taste
ornate basin
Lots of games tell you how to play
noble moat
So if it’s a stealth game but you want to play guns ablazing, It’s the devs fault?
ornate basin
It’s not 2016s fault if you don’t like the stlye of game don’t play
noble moat
That’s not how it works
ornate basin
But that’s what doom has always been
noble moat
From the sounds of it you would much prefer open world games
ornate basin
Play postal 2 if you like open world games
noble moat
Can’t say I enjoy glorified just kill people games fluffy
ornate basin
Postal 2 isn’t just about killing people
arctic shard
or soldat. that game is fun though :))
ornate basin
You can be as murdery or not murdery as you want
arctic shard
doom 2016 multi matchmaking is broken
noble moat
I believe thye mixed all ranks together purely for faster loading times,
ornate basin
But isn’t doom a kill everyone game bob
arctic shard
yeup. but after a game one side domintating the other, they should shuffle teams. but then the system decides to do a rematch
noble moat
No doom is a kill demons with purpose
ornate basin
Also 2016 mp is aids
arctic shard
it was not fun for the other side when they have to fight top players 2nd time
noble moat
Postal is a I’m bored lemme kill humans for no reason game, can’t say I like those kinds of games
arctic shard
yeup
noble moat
Like there’s that one game coming to switch, I think it’s called Hatred. Holy shit that game looks aweful
ornate basin
Because it’s the worst game ever
noble moat
Gunna question your morales a bit if you play a Hatred
ornate basin
Try doom 3 amnesia it’s more slow
noble moat
Stick with doom 3 then
arctic shard
i think doom eternal tries to bring more story to the game. (it is good but i feel the flow is somehow broken
noble moat
Jinx
ornate basin
Seems to be what your wanting
arctic shard
i dont like eternal
noble moat
From now on all dooms will be in the style of eternal and 2016.
ornate basin
Doom 3 is great
noble moat
U play doom 3 BFG?
ornate basin
Play classic unless you have a vr headset
noble moat
You play Youngblood?
arctic shard
doom 3 is awesome
ornate basin
Bfg editions only purpose is vr
arctic shard
i still remembered when it came out. the graphics, the sound, the feeling ... wow!
ornate basin
And roe is perfect
noble moat
Can confirm
ornate basin
I agree on that completely
noble moat
No I don’t play Youngblood for the story. I play it for the action
ornate basin
Wolfenstein has always been a bit bad
noble moat
It’s a somewhat open type game where you just shoot things.
noble moat
You don’t notice the dialogue most of the time tbh
ornate basin
It might have the worst written characters in any game since denstiny 1
noble moat
Oh yeah like i said I don’t play it for the characters or story.
But as a shooter, especially on the switch. It’s solid af
ornate basin
2016 and eternal are probably my favorite games
noble moat
Still waiting for eternal for switch ;-;
arctic shard
for me, doom 3, unreal 3, doom 2016 for fps
ornate basin
Up there with the bioshock trilogy
arctic shard
dont like eternal though
ornate basin
That is amazing game with an amazing story
noble moat
2016 is my favorite FPS of all time. I’ve replayed it 16 Times
ornate basin
Amnesia have you played bioshock
noble moat
Haven’t played bioshock. But the collection is coming to switch so might pick it up later
arctic shard
delete system32
noble moat
Hey on Witcher 3 defense it’s a massive ass game
ornate basin
I haven’t played any of the whichers
noble moat
Me neither
arctic shard
idk. my friends are really into witcher 3. i tried but i cant play it through
ornate basin
Or god of war even though I have a ps4
noble moat
Modern warfare is a case of shit ass compression
arctic shard
among fps games, i think unreal 3 ages pretty well
noble moat
Zero reason it should be almost 200gb
And zero reason every patch is like 20gb
arctic shard
*graphics-wise
elder meadow
dwaddawddsdsdsdsddsdsdawwdsdwwdwadawadwdwddawdw d wdw d w w wdwwdwddwdwwd
arctic shard
=))
ornate basin
I still remember the day I bought the new plants vs zombies game and preordered doom eternal
arctic shard
recently i played plants vs zombies 2 again. there was a challenge when you had to shoot as many chickens as you could.
it was the first time when i see my new tablet lags when playing games
ornate basin
I fucking hate pvz2
arctic shard
i cant judge bc i play it when working (and cant play pc games)
arctic shard
i cant defense bc there was time i played azur lane whole time
ornate basin
That and this kickass godzilla game
arctic shard
it was a really dark time :))
ornate basin
Ironically it was the doom movie that got me into the games
noble moat
Pvz2 more like pay to win bullshet
Half the levels were almost impossible unless you were lucky, Or bought the good stuff
arctic shard
that's true though. but i havent paid anything
noble moat
The fact of even had half the plants buyable was stupid
ornate basin
Heroes is cool
arctic shard
or grind some special maps to level up your plants
ornate basin
And pvz3 looks even worse
arctic shard
there is pvz3?
ornate basin
I wish there wasn’t
arctic shard
wow
ornate basin
It takes all the bad parts about heroes and all the bad parts about 2 and mixes them together
arctic shard
ea really knows how to milk a cow
ornate basin
The garden warfare games are great
arctic shard
have fun guys 🙂 im off
noble moat
What. No
blissful imp
Favorite Fps=Doom (series)/Metro
noble moat
I freaking love metro
blissful imp
and why he doesn't use the crucible too
blissful imp
I think he doesn't use because he was not charged
noble moat
Hmmmmm
Actually yes I got that wrong
I assume the return was purely because he couldn’t walk to argent dnur then. Woulda needed a portal from mars
Maybe lore has an answer
blissful imp
Nah i'm talking about the crucible
viral dune
Hayden is a character that I don't know if I should treat him as an ally or a villain
elder meadow
He is an ally
i hate hayden
He used it to solve an energy crisis. Olivia Pierce is what caused the hell invasion
He does see things from a utilitarian perspective. Which does mean he has vices.
late scroll
I love Hayden. Best character in the games
I'd love him to narrate my GPS
Step aside, GlaDOS
elder meadow
He was reduced to a mcguffin in eternal though. Not very cool.
elder meadow
Vega was always support. I feel he more useful in this game, like Doom guy best friend
Cept Doom guy don't have friends. More like a business partner
late scroll
I never understood how VEGA needed that whole facility to power him and yet Slayer just backs him up on an SD card and takes him along
blissful imp
Hayden is not immoral, he desagree with Olivia about sacrifice and thing like that
late scroll
What does that have to do with him being immortal or not
elder meadow
Immoral=/= immortal
late scroll
oh I misread don't mind me
blissful imp
At the end of Doom 2016, he is angry because you destroyed ~100 years of his work
I'll be angry too
And also, he doesn't kill you
late scroll
Wasn't the frozen area the VEGA compound that powered him and allowed him to even exist and function?
VEGA Central Processing
Where VEGA's plasma-based neural net is and requires the extreme cold temperatures because the temperatures were extremely high
I'm reading the wiki right now
blissful imp
And Doom Guy is very intelligent tho, he his just a little naive and "brute"
late scroll
So how can VEGA's plasma-based neural net survive in an SD card
because VEGA has "miles of circuitry"
VEGA needed a cooling facility not the compound
blissful imp
I think Doom Guy made something for VEGA, remember, he "lived" at Argent Dnur
So he maybe do something that he see
late scroll
He just unplugged something just as he was overloading the facility.
And Hayden said "Thank you, VEGA" as if it were a sacrifice
That link I just posted cites "in-game description"
And I remember reading it in 2016
noble moat
All it’s saying is that vega cannot run without the cooling unit which slayer shot down
blissful imp
The fact that he need so much thing it because he worked at a Facility of ~300 per 300 miles
late scroll
So how is he running in Eternal then?
noble moat
He is in space using argent and sentinel technology
blissful imp
In Eternal he just talk and help you in a voice
late scroll
Ah...so he wasn't "alive" on the SD card...just being transported to be run again sometime in the future
It's not in the codex entry for the VEGA Central Processing level specifically?
blissful imp
Fortress Of Doom was made by or For doom guy ?
late scroll
I'm telling you it's in the game somewhere
The wiki says ingame descrption and I definitely remember reading it ingame
Not the personnel
the actual level description
blissful imp
Re-asking the question:
Fortress of Doom was made by Doom guy ?
late scroll
Made by sentinels with Maykr tech
blissful imp
I see
late scroll
@formal bobcat https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/Codex/Environments scroll down to VEGA Central Processing
blissful imp
I love how the name Maykr came just only for Doom eternal
Even if Sentinels existed Before Eternal, weird
late scroll
That's not how I understood it. It specifically said it was located AWAY from the compound to keep all info on VEGA secret.
AI requires it to function
Not complex enough. As far as human tech is concerned, it required an entire facility in the frozen pole of Mars dedicated to making VEGA "go"
winged hearth
Hey guys I just got doom 2016 I’m in love
late scroll
Anyway, I just couldn't understand why VEGA survived when he needed all that but my confusion is now allayed because he wasn't running when he was backed up
late scroll
Anything of Sentinel or Maykr design is way beyond Earth tech
Besides, the VEGA Central Processing facility utilized a plasma-based neural net which exhibits so much heat. That's not to say that some other more advanced type of neural net wouldn't be better or not require cooling at all.
It's just the best Earth had
And not be huge
elder meadow
So has anyone calculated how many points you need to get every cosmetic in snapmap mode?
blissful imp
And because, Solar system doesn't have Argent energy too
elder meadow
Im guessing not
blissful imp
No sorry, i'm playing switch so snapmap....
Weird that, Nobody know Doom Slayer, because he is a human from earth
And he his not "that" old
He "can't" he stuck at 35, he is invincible but no immortal
Compared to Samuel Hayden
As soon his brain don't die like a sh*t
Weird
You know, its hell legends
Like irl Religion/Legend
Yeah because the Tecnology of Doom Guy, even before spoily thing yeah, maybe your right
He was always immortal into his sarcophagus
i love how hell has a Society, not the same as ours, with Hierarchy and Legends
And Hell talk our language tho
And hell his more Powerfull than human, because they use litteraly Meaty-bio-weapon
Even if human can litteraly kill demons in a second with good weapon
Look at doom guy, just with a Shotgun he can litteraly kill thousand of demon
Yeah, and Vega litteraly prefer you than Samuel
Because VEGA Was made to help Human and Humanity,
And, he participated to kill more than 60k human
And listen to Samuel.
Doom Guy REALLY help human
You litteraly said that i want to said, Because yknow, i'm not bilingual
ornate basin
Destroy all the generators then bfg
blissful imp
For the Coolant system, i destroy all Coolant and After i use BFG
Lmao we said the same thing
blissful imp
You can destroy ~1/2 demon if you are lucky
late scroll
I like the cutscenes
Just catching up on chat. Someone said earlier that the cutscenes in Eternal were not good
ah it was you lol
I love me my first person "cutscenes" like Half-Life, but Eternal's cutscenes didn't take me out of it at all. And much of it was still first person (the memories sequences for instance, among others)
Sorry you didn't enjoy it as much
blissful imp
Fun fact:Shotgun is the Only weapon that is not translated in french
Fun fact:Shotgun is the Only weapon that is not translated in french
Fun fact:Shotgun is the Only weapon that is not translated in french
Fun fact:Shotgun is the Only weapon that is not translated in french
noble moat
So it’s just called shotgun? Interesting
blissful imp
Yeah, sorry for the spam, connection
Yeah, if i Translated Shotgun to French and French to english it will be
Pump Shotgun,Or Hunting rifle
Even the SSG
And Shotgun, is not possible grammatically in french
Because
Its
Gun Who Shot=Shotgun in France
And there is not only one "Gun who shot"
So, Shotgun even in France is grammatically correct
BFG is not translated too
if it was, BFG become=GPP
elder meadow
The slight demon design changes from the reboot actually make sense because the demons would’ve probably evolved to have harder skin to be able to take on more physical trauma from the slayer over thousands of years
blissful imp
Maybe, or just design change
And, The no ammo upgrade + no HUD challenge is so cool, the first time i use all weapon
Weirdly, i found NM easier
elder meadow
I think its hilarious u demons talking about doom slayer. u wouldnt say this stuff to him at lan, hes jacked. not only that but he wears the freshest clothes, eats at the chillest restaurants and hangs out with the hottest dudes. yall are pathetic lol
My first doom run was on ultra violence
It was a pain cause i was new but it got easy enough with enough practice
late scroll
I don't always glory kill a demon, but when I do I set them on fire first.
hasty pier
^
late scroll
Oh wait this is 2016. I glory kill every single time.
flint dune
Sort of a habit to glory kill almost every glowy guy I see in 2016, on UN I have to restrain myself.
late scroll
What's the strategy in that?
flint dune
late scroll
...okay then.
flint dune
I didn’t use any strategy for Nightmare and almost never died, so truly, it’s just practice. Glory killing is a bad idea on any difficulty above UV though, as the reward is never really worth the risk.
At least that’s the advice I’ve been given.
Berserk feels so good in 2016, yeah
late scroll
I just don't understand the point in not glory killing....
flint dune
Well, for example, you go in for an Imp glory kill. Time doesn’t stop around you. Although you are invulnerable during the animation, this gives time for all the other enemies around you to lock on and catch up. You could end up getting cornered or an enemy could throw a projectile at you right when you come out of the animation.
Basically what you said
Eh, ledge grabbing really is a problem I agree
Doom Eternal does something smart with glory kills though. Instead of instant death when you come out of a badly timed glory kill, HP goes down to 5. Also falling through the map still happens in both games lol
Yeah
blissful imp
I only glory-kill when my screen is red
Even with a glory kill on NM you can die one-shot, they didn't give you much health
Glory kill is just for fun on NM
elder meadow
@formal bobcat somewhere between every demon and on occasion
elder meadow
daring copper
wow ok so rich get richer really turns the game into a complete fucking joke huh
autumn prism
Yeah that and siege mode
It's why I never use it, still really fun to use them but i do want a bit of challenge at the end lol
soft delta
the greatest taco bell meal the 
and the 
elder nymph
So
My dad bought PS Plus
and I tried out D2016’s multiplayer
it was actually really fun imo
noble moat
It’s not bad, it’s just not good
If you play it for awhile you will understand all the issues it has
flint dune
I only bothered with the Multiplayer so I could use Demon runes
Pretty fun to play as the Pinky ngl
noble moat
Mines were the definition of bullshet
It’s a free guaranteed kill pretty much no matter what
Toss it on the ceiling of a small hallway or top of doorway
I didn’t get to play much
(I have a Nintendo online trial I’mma activate next week so Imma play it again)
But mines were annoying af
blissful imp
You don't have online ?
noble moat
No
blissful imp
Because you have no purpose to buy it ?
noble moat
I can’t afford it
blissful imp
I see
unreal harness
Hi, i have a problemas with DOOM 2016, i cant play with vulkan
gusty onyx
then use the other one
elder meadow
i'd recommendgoing to lowspecgamer's channel since hes made three vids for loewer hardware
elder meadow
Doom 2016 MP is great it’s just put down by loadouts and 2 weapon limit
viral dune
@unreal harness What is your pc specs? Vulkan crashes is happening sometimes for me, so you might better check google on this
Switching to vulkan might give you a better performance, at least on my GTX 1050
sonic rune
God game doom (2016)
elder meadow
i have a question whats the difference between vulkan and opengl?
shadow crescent
Vulkan is faster i think
viral dune
Vulkan seems like a next-gen API of OpenGL from what I've read on the internet. But Vulkan is still a new thing and quite unstable.
Some pc might experience lag issues when switching to Vulkan. My game performance, however, I gain more fps after using it.
open tundra
Finally did nightmare mode on Nintendo switch
shadow crescent
Is the multiplayer and snap map still active?
late scroll
Yes
There was a Snapmap release recently with Doom Eternal mechanics thrown in. Pretty neat
shadow crescent
Noice
viral dune
@unreal harness I haven't used AMD graphic card once. But I saw a video about Doom gameplay with that card. Seem like it would be the best to run the game with Vulkan API with all medium settings.
I don't know how to fix Vulkan crash
unreal harness
Thanks
red flume
@unreal harness have you updated your drivers recently?
unreal harness
Yes
wicked orchid
The only people that didnt like 2016 mp were people who were trash at the game
same people that complain about the marauder
ornate basin
That’s not true 2016 had genuine problems to it
Like having loadouts with everything else being a traditional deathmacth design
Or having completely broken demons and powerups relegated to complete rng
And how the demon spotter rune was completely busted
And how the specter was so completely op and it hitboxes were completely broken on the charge attacks
And how doom the series that breed deathmacth didn’t have it on launch
And how weapon balance was shit
And the glory kills hardly worked
And it was laggy
noble moat
And the mines
flint dune
Such BS those are
ornate basin
Thanks for the Vietnam flashbacks asshole
I was like what mines?
Then bam the repressed memories
noble moat
You are welcome
If TDM had weapon wheel, No mines.
And a shit load of balance it might have been better
elder meadow
The Slayer shall bring our salvation, with a bloody, steel-barreled vengeance, as our very sins are the force driving him to purge the land of darkness. He is our savior, amen.
Feel free to pitch changes for me to make.
elder meadow
The weapon balance was great lol
Update 6.66 made a really balanced game set that required an immense amount of skill. It was a blast to play. The loadout limitation ended up inspiring creativity and making some pretty sick combinations
There was so many viable weapon setups.
SSG+ Combat shotgun
Reaper plus SSG
Plasma rifle plus combat shot gun or SSG.
Reaper plus vortex
Assault rifle plus ssg
Now the three burst rifle was trash and so was the plasma pistol, but they was the only trash guns.
The power seeker rune helped with power control and power indentification. Gave so much map control. Killing demons that spawned became easy with equipment plus weapon combos. Just don't do it on spawn as they got significant DR
The issue was people sucked ass and so they blamed the game, not themselves. It was a good gameplay mode that very much inspired arena style play as you run around the map nabbing all the health picks while simultaneously jumping back into the fight. 1v6 freeze tag was so easy once you get the gameplay rythm down as it was so heavily skilled.
noble moat
Close but no cigar
elder meadow
The biggest issue people was booty
noble moat
Yeah agreed
The problem was people want cod team death match
So when it came to a tdm that actually required skill people shit themselves
golden cosmos
Reaper + Hellshot was such a beast Soul Harvest loadout
@elder meadow the pistol and plasma gun are so good though.
elder meadow
The pistol is terrible because its role is done so much better by repear
Plasma gun yeets shit though it is good.
Hellshot for aim bot bois. With aim bot, it probably the strongest gun in the entire game. DPS potentially at any range is incredible.
@golden cosmos
mortal reef
I liked 2016 mp
elder meadow
I approve. This game was so funny as hell (lol) !
mortal reef
Anybody got tips for defeating the hell guards? They are a pain
flint dune
@mortal reef When the Hell Guard goes up to charge that big energy orb, shoot it right before he throws it at you. If you time it right, the orb will explode and stun him.
That’s really the only tip I know of.
torpid swallow
The plasma rifle will continuously stun the hell guards, even on Nightmare. Easy way to cheese the fight.
trim zinc
is the multiplayer for t his game ded ?
nimble vapor
“Vega give him what he wants”
trim zinc
actual question tho haha is the multiplayer community ded er nah?
flint dune
Mmm mostly. I heard console is somewhat lively but it’s always the same players.
noble moat
^
You also won’t find matches on anything besides the “core mode”
Tdm/ mixed playlist
flint dune
I would have preferred a more balanced,
less modernized version of
tdm for Eternal, but Battlemode is fine
just needs to work out a few kinks
uncut trout
The dash mechanic would’ve interfered with DM
flint dune
True
uncut trout
I want a co-op horde mode in a big arena and player demons could invade the arena
flint dune
Yes 100% agreed
noble moat
You mean fuck the mode that was literally added as a joke
elder meadow
I got through the first two levels and got clapped by a fucking fireball
Ultra nightmare looks like fun
noble moat
Yeah well, Ultranightmare is supposed to be stupid
You can find an interview, they were like Lol let’s add a mode where you die and restart the game
elder meadow
I don't think I can finish it though.
noble moat
It’s just nightmare difficulty, but death = restart,
So if you can’t do Nightmare without dying you can’t do UN
elder meadow
kinda funny, cause you should try to 100% ultra nightmare since that levels you up fastest
noble moat
There’s no levels in Doom 2016
elder meadow
yeah there are????
I mean, the levels are still here, but not the ones he means.
like the upgrades and such are level ups
noble moat
No?
Every difficulty gives you upgrades and such the exact same
Praetor tokens. Elite guard tokens, drones, all the same
elder meadow
theyre like the exact same tho, each time you find something it levels up that part of the Doom Slayer
noble moat
You just said UN “levels” you up fastest, it doesn’t
noble moat
The term is Maxes out or Upgrades you fastest.
elder meadow
I believe that at any other level of difficulty these bonuses/upgrades/stuff are optional but at UN you will have anyway to search for them and collect them if you want to beat it.
red flume
there is no set term lmao
noble moat
Because eternal actually has levels, and doing UN in eternal DOES level you up faster
elder meadow
plus you get cool gold armor
red flume
luckily for us we're in the 2016 channel, which isn't Eternal
elder meadow
I dont have eternal tho
noble moat
You’d be surprised how many idiots come here talking eternal without context confusing everyone
elder meadow
I am waiting for sales
noble moat
At least eternal gives you something for UN
2016 gives you a pat on the back and a thumbs up
elder meadow
you get self respect and the ability to rant on forums about it
red flume
I usually get the thumbs up in Foundry when I die in lava trying to platform
noble moat
Dying in foundry tho 😬
red flume
idk why it's so tough for me specifically on that level. always has been
elder meadow
you get 5-10 seconds why are there no ladders or stuff to climb out with
red flume
Dude I die in Foundry so much. It's easily the hardest level for me.
elder meadow
I swear, everytime I play foundry, I kill the first 2 gore nests and get stuck looking for the key card for 20 minutes
noble moat
You get the rpg?
red flume
Yea I usually 100% the level. It's the combination of somewhat difficult fights and a limited arsenal (plus dumb platforming mistakes) that make it hard.
noble moat
Trick for foundry is get RPG and give it lock on. Makes the hell knights a joke
elder meadow
or just get good at running backwards using the shotgun
noble moat
Rpg is the fastest way to remove them with no issues
elder meadow
I want to see someone 100% UN with only the pistol
noble moat
Google it, they have done it
red flume
...that's such a smart idea Bob. I always instinctively grab the stun bomb because I never thought to save the mod bot for the RL.
makes me feel worse since I do save the mod bot in the previous level for micromissles
noble moat
Ok so in the2nd level, skip the drone the first time, get plasma rifle, give it heat wave
Then in foundry give rpg lock on
Heat wave helps a shit ton for removing all imps on screen,
Lock on kills all Hellknights
Also don’t use HAR at all, it’s shet tbh until the level after foundry
Also on foundry, get Maxed our grenade shotgun as fast as possible, then start working on mastery, once mastered it helps kill pretty much any big enemy in game and almost always stuns them
You won’t need Stun grenade for plasma until much later, as only the pinkies really need to be stunned at that point
red flume
CS mastery is always the first thing I do. I probably use that as my main gun until like Titan's Realm.
(just explosive shot, not both of them)
noble moat
I use it as my main gun always, The grenade launcher does roughly more than an rpg hit, And stuns enemies
red flume
I use it all the way through, just less once I have siege mode and a maxed SSG.
Taking precision bolt on my next play through though because I'm finally getting kinda bored by siege.
red flume
I only started to recently
noble moat
You have to get close, and if you dont kill them with that blast you are stuck there reloading in front of enemies
As for gauss, I mostly use its standard fire, siege for pinkies / area clearing
I’m doing UN rn
If I die I blame my drift
Leftcon drifts left right and up
Also doesn’t always register up movement
And right con randomly drifts down,
So my movement is hindered and aiming is shot
But I still managed a Nightmare run with only 2 deaths
golden cosmos
@elder meadow you're partially right about the Reaper overshadowing the Handgun like that, it's the same role, it's more damage and better at close range.
But the Handgun alt fire doesn't lower my DPI like the Reaper does. It does an excellent job of being a no-scope sniper. My wife got Clan Leader with it in a full game. That's something easier said than done, especially in this game.
Plasma Gun isn't as good as some combos, but it's just the highest DPS single-gun. People who don't want to learn to quick switch can still compete with it. The Assault loadout is so good to start with, though I didn't appreciate that until later.
Honestly I can't believe how much fun the multiplayer is in Doom. I should have had the three medals, I bought the game at launch and just, didn't check the stuff out until last year. : (
elder meadow
lmfao im replaying doom 2016 just to see how it personally compares to eternal and my first death is due to falling out of the map
flint dune
lol rip
elder meadow
aand second death is due to forgetting that a charged imp fireball does 75 damage
ornate basin
Not dying to falling off the map is so a QOL improvement in eternal
elder meadow
yeah and rune trials being massively streamlined too
red flume
streamlined removed
elder meadow
eh, most of them were really tedious to do
what I really like is that runes aren't locked to the level they're found in and you can just pick any one of them
red flume
I like not having to do the trials but I do kinda miss the masteries. Those were fun imo
elder meadow
oh yeah they were cool, even though some of them were absolutely broken like ammo boost
ornate basin
Rich get richer
More like a really easy game to cheese becomes even more easy to cheese
elder meadow
i really do feel bad for the demons in doom 2016, they were having a hard enough time as is dealing with the slayer but then he can fire the super shotgun twice
ornate basin
And then gets a rune that lets him have infinite ammo for it
golden cosmos
@elder meadow Have your friends also complained to you about footsteps and shot sounds being muted in the multiplayer?
elder meadow
Nah, no one played it sadly but me
I never had that problem though. 5.0 KD. What got me the most was just getting jumped or sloppy play. Also mines
golden cosmos
"but it's not overwatch" - "I can't get through a match without dying" - "you can't hear footsteps, you can't hear when you get shot, but if they miss their gun sounds loud then" are the complaints I always get told.
I'm probably just a 0.8 ratio on average xD
elder meadow
I mean, the gun shots are quiet tbh, but you see your health get chunked. People with bad situational awareness gonna complain. You could just look around instead
tropic token
the virgin doom 2016 versus the chad doom 4
mortal reef
After getting the super shotgun the normal one is forgotten
cursive ingot
Especially with the mastery
golden cosmos
Pop rocket definitely used in quick switch combos...
shrewd helm
Am I the only one here thinking that Doom 2016 enemy were looking way better than they are in Doom Eternal ?
Like the Mancubus
late scroll
I can't stand the crustacean denon designs personally. Mancubus with natural guns on the arms is dumb to me.
elder meadow
Lobster cyberdemon > tyler1 head cyberdemon
late scroll
Ugh never liked the Cyberdemon as soon as I saw it in the first Doom 2016 teaser trailer
Eternal demon designs are much better
flint dune
Really? I thought the design looked cool.
Although, besides from the Baron and Revenant I agree
late scroll
Actually yeah. Baron I like better in 2016
And Hell Knight
No Eyes Hell Knight ftw
elder meadow
i prefer demon designs in 2016
designs in general pretty much, eternal is a lot more cartoony looking
and sound effects are pretty weak in comparison
late scroll
Not even. Both shotguns in Eternal sound way better than 2016
ornate basin
Actually doom 3 has the best sound effects
late scroll
Although I will say that the dynamic music implementation was done better and slicker in 2016
But Eternal's soundtrack is overall better
elder meadow
hey thats my view on it
they dont sound as better as 2016 to me
especially the heavy cannon
compared to 2016 it has no impact
late scroll
The double barreled shotgun in 2016 sounds like a hollow thunk. And the reg shotgun is just so weak
kind pebble
Does anyone else confuse the Prowler with the Imp and end up trying to chainsaw it with one charge and getting murdered right away?
red flume
I never got the CS sound complaints for 2016. It sounds perfectly fine to me. A simple "thud" for a simple weapon.
noble moat
It sounds eh, and performs eh
noble moat
It definitely would be if the sentence prior to mine wasn’t referring to the combat shotgun
errant bloom
I dislike 2016 demon designs after Eternal. (I especially hated the ugly ass alien looking mancubus design) Demons in 2016 had like no personality or expressions. Especially Zombies, Cacodemons or Mancubus.
...
But yeah fuck Eternals Revenant design 
ornate basin
The toy vs the model in game of the revenant
It’s like the man she told you not to worry about meme
late scroll
I didn't like how half the demons were sightless in 2016. But then in Eternal EVERYTHING had eyes including the Hell Knight which was the only demon I didn't want to have eyes
There should be classic skins for demons too. 2016 Revenant, Doom II Revenant, etc
Doom 3 Revenant!
errant bloom
You know... if eternal would be an id tech 6 game this would be so easy to do for ID software.
But im no game dev but if they can do it id be VERY happy
shadow crescent
Too bad the engine isnt mod friendly.
Classic enemy skins would've been great
blissful imp
Yeah
shadow crescent
I hope so.
noble moat
Doubt
elder meadow
the starting room doesent have anything
just a tutorial
Big doubt unfortunately. Snapmap is so badass
noble moat
Snapmap is dead
No way id goes back while thye have so much planned for eternal
Jump, that’s it
It’s definitely weird how it gets you stuck
elder igloo
candid dagger
Man, pinky demons are annoying in this game!
flint dune
They get more annoying in Eternal lol
gusty onyx
What? Nah, other way around. Pinkies were the worst thing in 2016, now they're pushovers in eternal
noble moat
Pinkies are easy in 2016
Stun bomb, gauss dash, easy
elder meadow
Y'all are crazy with these tactics
I just use guns
You can just freeze him in this game.
Whoops wrong game
You just jump over them and ssg
They was more annoying as you couldn't lock them down as effectively
gusty onyx
Same
gusty onyx
Only really needa know which gun for what enemy in 2016
elder meadow
I played switch as well. Motion control is wonky
Especially with the shitty joy cons
Joycons? No
Pro controller yes
Joycons are a gimmick, pro controller changes it all
I'm not buying an $80 accessory
But again, y'all allowed an opinion <3
gusty onyx
Nah, joy-cons all the way, bro
elder meadow
You can get a console without joy cons on eBay for cheap, but you do you, y'all
Well, you could
Scalpers now messed that up
Pro Controller or not you’re still playing a fuckin Switch LOL
Yeah it runs fine
The best version
I’m aware I own DOOM 2016 on Switch
Yeah, it was solid.
Best part was shitting on people in multiplayer
I love it, it's so fun. If I can beat it on Nightmare with motion controls, I believe in all of you
flint dune
Nah I’m saying they’re more annoying in Eternal because they turn around a lot quicker, and can turn corners more accurately, sorry late response
noble moat
I beat nightmare, Handheld, JOYCONS, no motion controls. No ammo upgrades. And didn’t use SSG or any runes that cheese the game. What’s y’all excuse
And both my joycons drift.
noble moat
I said handheld
I don’t play games on the big screen except for monster hunter.
I bought a switch because it’s a handheld so I use it as such
The campaign is only 10-11ish hours tho
Probably less since I’m wayy better than when I first started
I only die 1-2 times now during a Nightmare run,
And that’s not during boss fights,
The last 4 runs I didn’t die during them
I found out how to properly avoid Cyberdemon laser.
And guards as well
I just wish my joycons didn’t drift, it’s quite annoying playing doom with drift
I don’t think you are using the phrase “having so much time correctly”
Well I kinda know what you mean tho, some of the UN players have put their souls into practice
Memorizing EVERY demon spawn is madness
I just can’t wait to play eternal on switch, I’m told it’s an even faster game and I’m hyped
I’m starting with nightmare for sure.
So I’m told. But eternal should technically be easier than 2016.
Much more ways to gain health and shields compared to 2016
Well I say that but I hope I’m wrong, I hope eternal truly is faster and harder than 2016.
Nightmare is fun but seems a bit easy at times
I’m really excited for master levels.
They fix the problem I have with doom 2016
Once u beat 2016” there’s no point going back to earlier levels, it’s wayyyy too easy.
Master levels fix that and for that I am grateful
More enemies, and stronger spawns
So cultist base for example in eternal.
Instead of normal gameplay spawn with 3 imps and a revenant,
It now has 2 cyberdemons, a pain elemental, cyber mancubus, etc
It makes more demons, and much stronger ones appear, and much more often.
I didn’t check it fully, but normally cultist base has no cyber demons,
And master level version Has at least 5
True, but it’s never just 1 mini boss. It’s always a horde of demons at once. Man I’m so excited for master levels
Hey let’s make the normal levels much harder, like fuck yess
Still sad I have to wait x amount more months, but it’s understandable,
Putting it on a switch even with a better engine must be a nightmare
I hope so too. The last time I was this excited for a game It was doom 2016
And doom 2016 is my favorite FPS of all time
viral dune
Is it possible to play Doom VFR with mouse and keyboard?