doom-3

[versed estuary]

Well yeah they ain’t ever Gunna do the shotgun dirty like that again doom 3 shotgun was a joke

ROE really started out strong and kept its strength the entire time, man that was a good expansion

[scenic stratus]

i'm having stuttering on og doom 3, i'm on win10 64bit. I tried playing around with fps limit and different types of vsync but it's always kinda bad

[untold imp]

I always thought creating a scary Doom isn't the same as the original Doom (obviously), but I like the idea alot

Imagine you're a lad just going on with your day and the next thing you know, everyone zombifies around you

[scenic stratus]

we could have both tbh, scary tone with 2016/eternal gameplay is more than doable.

[untold imp]

How about this

You're controlling a guy who constantly shivers in fear and can't aim properly

[versed estuary]

Hey go find a scientist
SHIT the spawns of hell have invaded

Distant gunshots and radio clatter going crazy, it sounded awesome

[untold imp]

Yeaaaaa but that cage that that motherfcking lost scientist made didn't do jack sht

[versed estuary]

A scary 2016/ eternal style game wouldn’t really work. Those games are too fast. It would need to be slower than those.
But faster than 3

[scenic stratus]

i don't mean scary mechanics but scary art direction.

[untold imp]

A badass character with a scary story really don't go together though

[scenic stratus]

Make it look gnarly

not story but art direction

[versed estuary]

Art isn’t scary by itself. It needs atmosphere, sounds

[untold imp]

So you mean like graphically scary?

[scenic stratus]

make it look and sound scary

[versed estuary]

What made 3 “scary” was that you are just a standard marine in waaaaay over his head

Then the radio chatter, distant gunshots, blood everywhere, demonic images bodies

[untold imp]

Doom 3 was scary in theory

[scenic stratus]

i don't mean you shitting your pants but something that look and sounds disturbing

[untold imp]

I know what you mean

[versed estuary]

Crying cherubs weren’t disturbing?

[scenic stratus]

who said they weren't?

You know you can have these things with faster gameplay right?

[versed estuary]

No shit,

[scenic stratus]

That's the point i'm trying to make

banana gameplay, creepy looks and sounds

[versed estuary]

Yes, but you said 2016/eternal style doom3.
That wouldn’t work

Not that it even matters that we are arguing over this. It’s never going to happen.

As far as the majority is concerned doom 3 flopped and isn’t a real doom game

[scenic stratus]

i said something that looks scary with eternal gameplay, it would work unless you just personally don't want it to click with you

[versed estuary]

If you have eternal gameplay. Super high speed Powered up human with insane movement and OP weapons, it’s pretty hard to make that horror

[untold imp]

exactly

[scenic stratus]

doom 3 is infamous not because of its art direction but because of monster closets and sluggish combat

[untold imp]

the player needs to be weaker in order to make it scarier

[scenic stratus]

i don't mean the make scaring you but the game looking scary, how hard is that to understand guys

[versed estuary]

Explain,
How do yo want the game to “look scary”

If the game isn’t scary, then it won’t look scary either

[scenic stratus]

not cartoony, disturbing looking monsters

[untold imp]

He means like scary graphics and stuff

[versed estuary]

So you want a rated A game

[scenic stratus]

art direction =/= game mechanics

how does it get A rated ?

[versed estuary]

You want gory to the max

Very little else would make it “scary” visually

[scenic stratus]

read what i write because you don't make sense here

[versed estuary]

And again, if the game isn’t scary, it won’t look scary.

[untold imp]

there are a couple things that could make it potentially scary

[versed estuary]

You want a game that looks scary but isn’t scary, you don’t make sense

[scenic stratus]

lol

[untold imp]

for example a dark atmosphere, a sinister story etc.

[scenic stratus]

yep

[versed estuary]

So a scary game then

[untold imp]

giving the player certain disadvantages

[scenic stratus]

no disavantage, just the scary atmosphere

[untold imp]

for example whenever you shoot the bfg, you get massive knockback

just an example

[scenic stratus]

you guys know the art direction can go the creepy way while going bananas with the gameplay, it's not forbidden.

[untold imp]

Obviously

[versed estuary]

So I restate what I said, so you want it to be super gory?

I’m talking organs flying rolling etc

[scenic stratus]

why?

[versed estuary]

Demons bleeding from their eyes etc

[untold imp]

that could work potentially

[versed estuary]

Idk whatelse you would consider “creepy” besides intense gore

[scenic stratus]

intense gore is not creepy to me

[versed estuary]

And I’m not referring to music here

[untold imp]

although gore doesn't necessarily mean creepy

[scenic stratus]

creepy is subjective tho

[versed estuary]

Of course

But gore is usually the easiest way to get “creepy”

[untold imp]

I'd rather say disturbing

[versed estuary]

Another way could be to pull a “Metro”
Images that appear and disappear

[scenic stratus]

creepy doesn't mean scary

[versed estuary]

That’s subjective

[scenic stratus]

google creepy

[untold imp]

Another way could be to pull a “Metro”
Images that appear and disappear
@versed estuary you mean quick flashes of demons?

[versed estuary]

Yeah, you could have a bunch of normal demons, then running down a hallway in the door way a demon quickly hides behind cover, enter the room it’s no longer there

[scenic stratus]

Definition of creepy

1 : producing a nervous shivery apprehension a creepy horror story also : eerie
2 : of, relating to, or being a creep : annoyingly unpleasant a creepy old man

[untold imp]

That is a very smart idea

[versed estuary]

Metro also has the shadows, the “remnants” of the people from before

[untold imp]

I never played Metro before

[versed estuary]

You walk in a tunnel with your light off you see the shadows of people who once lived

Hear them, they move

[untold imp]

Should I play it?

[versed estuary]

It’s a great series I recommend it

It’s a horror stealth shooter

[untold imp]

aight I'll take it to consideration

But yeah on the topic of things that could make the game scary, I think giving the player a stamina bar could also work?

Like you can't run forever

[honest lynx]

I can

[untold imp]

Bro which Doom are you on right now?

[honest lynx]

Just finished tnt bro. And did a bunch of random wads inbetween... on to 64 in a few minutes here

How about you ?

[untold imp]

Playing Doom 2016 all over again

Also playing some Minecraft and Gran Turismo here and there lol

[honest lynx]

Solid dude. I might try another nightmare run for sure. I play 2016 every few months haha

Almost as much as doom 3

[untold imp]

Aight bro I gotta go do some stuff

I wish ya'll a wonderful day

[marble dune]

back at ya 🙂

I'm attempting another Doom 3 run, this time with the original game (non-BFG). The goal is to see if the slightly different mechanics (mainly the flashlight being it's own weapon) can make me vehemently detest this game a little less.
I was going to use Perfected Doom 3 but I had texture bugs and didn't feel like messing with it so I'm only using Doom 3 Redux.

[little raven]

Original is much better

[scenic stratus]

indeed.

[scenic stratus]

I wish I could run it smooth

F

i can relate, it used to lag like hell for no reason

[royal grail]

try doom 3 on switch :p
its fun

[versed estuary]

It’s BFG edition he doesn’t like bfg

[scenic stratus]

Nah, I occasionally play the Xbox One port.

I don't hate it, I just prefer the original.

[versed estuary]

A man of culture I see

[manic iron]

Cheese just likes smacking fat zombies with the flash light in og doom 3

[little raven]

This game is all inclusive

It shows that fat people exist to

[versed estuary]

I can finally go back to my doom 3 nightmare run

[untold imp]

I‘m still mad pissed that I didn‘t know you could duck the Commando‘s whip

I learned it the hard way

[random pivot]

There's a port of Dhewm3 for Switch if you've exploited it for homebrew.

official BFG release works pretty well, though

[honest lynx]

@scenic stratus likes to smack babies with a flashlight... I have photo evidence

And a video

@versed estuary bout time

[scenic stratus]

DooM Three

[little raven]

Doom cubed

[rotund pasture]

doom doom doom

[little raven]

Doom squared plus 1

[versed estuary]

@honest lynx yeah I know I know. But I had finals to do. Now that I’m free I can finally finish

Next imma do lost missions, and then probably ROE on nightmare

[little raven]

Do roe first

[honest lynx]

I always do lost first

Just because it freshens things up a bit

Malidict is a pretty awesome fight on nightmare though

Another reason why I like lost first is because it takes place during doom 3 and fits in nice after finishing it

[little raven]

Is palpatine a good final boss

[honest lynx]

Your soul will burn in hell forever muahahah

[versed estuary]

I want to do Lost before Roe nightmare cuz I haven’t played lost yet

[honest lynx]

Lost is one of my favorites on nightmare.

[scenic stratus]

all you guys completing the whole game in nmare and im here procrastinating

[dire crystal]

One thing that annoys me on lost os how the always set you against just one enemy at a time. You kill one the game spawns another

[scenic stratus]

if Doom 3 could be described in one phrase: you walk up to a opening portal, kill the demon on spawn, walk up to another portal, repeat

[honest lynx]

Pretty sure the second archie that pops up also spawns with a commando and a imp at the same time

It's rare but multiple enemies happen and it's pretty awesome when it does

[scenic stratus]

yeah every Archville after the first one spawns multiple enemies

for some reason it doesn't apply to the first one

probably was just an introduction to the enemy and then they wanted every one afterwards to be an hassle

[honest lynx]

But the music for the first one is one of my favorite mini boss fight sounds.... its intense

If only it was more difficult

They could have done a wave of demons on that section. And after the wave you can then target the arch. That would have been better

[glass veldt]

Does anybody here know how to get the game running in 21:9? I've tried pretty much everything and it never works

[dire crystal]

Bfg Edition has to do it out of the box. For vanilla Doom 3 there is s mod at pcgamingwiki

[visual shadow]

Hold up doom 3 has archvile?

[hybrid ibex]

yes

[visual shadow]

How easy is it to kill?

[hybrid ibex]

not too difficult but considering the shot gun sucks pretty time consuming

[dire crystal]

If he spawns before you chainsaw in the way to go, otherwise, 2-3 rockets will do

[little raven]

Just beat the electric hunter in roe

[honest lynx]

I like to shoot Archies in the tummy with the rifle multiple times because I like to watch em bleed slow before they die

[scenic stratus]

woo forgot how much of a thrill nightmare was

[honest lynx]

Ohhh yeah bud its intense

[dire crystal]

After replaying the game several times what’s your preferred difficulty, veteran or nightmare?

For me Nightmare seems natural until Delta Labs. Afterwards it gets too intense at times and the last levels, which are the most fun are better when you can afford yourself a little mistake

[scenic stratus]

it makes sense for it to be difficult at Delta Labs, it was the heart of where the invasion started

also the later levels are easier because there's a little bit more room and you'd would have gained a lot of plasma ammo to melt enemies by that point

[honest lynx]

Nightmare is the best way to experience doom 3

[little raven]

I’ll do nightmare eventually

[scenic stratus]

I've already done 3 and all the DLCs on nightmare... it gets pretty chaotic in Delta Labs Sector 1

and from that point on, classic Doom vibes

I wouldn't recommend nightmare to everyone, you have to be pretty serious about the game to enjoy it.

[untold imp]

But it's brutally fun

Nightmare ain't messing around and that's why I like it so much

[scenic stratus]

I love nightmare too, I'm just saying it might be overwhelming for less experienced players.

[little raven]

Like me

[versed estuary]

Id say Veteran is the best way to enjoy doom 3
Meanwhile nightmare is best way to enjoy a true challenge of doom 3

Veteran is hard, enough, but if you’ve played other doom games before you should do fine.

Meanwhile nightmare is for someone who wants a true jumping back and forth between cover pushing forward quickly doom 3

[untold imp]

Veteran gets easy when you have the almighty chaingun

No seriously the chaingun is amazing in this game

[wet gorge]

i realy wish they woulld add subtitles to doom 3

[untold imp]

I believe there's a mod that has subtitles

I'm not sure though

[wet gorge]

but i can’t apply it to the ps4 version

[untold imp]

I hate to break it to you but you gotta listen carefully if you wanna listen to what they're saying

[scenic stratus]

yeah because there's always noise even after you've killed everything in the room

even worse when you go to Hell

[wet gorge]

i know, it would just be nice to have some subtitles

[untold imp]

But I mean most of the time the dialogue just leads to missions so you ain't missing anything really lmao

[honest lynx]

Pda subtitles would be nice

[proven zodiac]

^

[little raven]

Doom 3 has a lot if noises subtitles would be very nice

[scenic stratus]

its odd that for the 2019 version they didnt bother to add any.

[proven zodiac]

Lazy

[tame folio]

I wish they’d reduce the shotgun spray

One time I tried to shoot a zombie and the sg pellets made a nice little outline around it

By one time I mean a lot of times

[versed estuary]

Since doom 3 is so close in space, a more accurate shotgun would make most other weapons pointless

[tame folio]

True

[scenic stratus]

a more accurate shotgun that does less damage would improve the game

also make the reload longer, so instead of 1 shell = 2 its 1 = 1

[marble dune]

I would accept half the current damage if it meant a reasonable spread.

[versed estuary]

Hmmmm, true enough

It pretty much takes 2-4 shots anyways as is now, So half damage would pretty much keep same amount of shots but me more effective

[honest lynx]

Slug option would be mint

Crappy upclose good at far. Switch to the bird shot for the demon rectal exam

[leaden coyote]

Doom dark edition

[versed estuary]

Indeed

[acoustic kayak]

Indeed!

[tame folio]

Indeed

[acoustic kayak]

Indeed!

[little raven]

Indeed

[acoustic kayak]

Indeed!

[scenic stratus]

doom 3 is a great game

indeed

[acoustic kayak]

Indeed!

[little raven]

Indeed

[acoustic kayak]

Indeed!

[scenic stratus]

indeed

[acoustic kayak]

Indeed!

[little raven]

Indeed

[acoustic kayak]

Indeed!

[scenic stratus]

wrong channel bud

[tame folio]

Doom 3 is one of my favorite half life games

[little raven]

The doom 3 theme is one of my favorite tracks in all of doom

[manic iron]

Wish the console re release of doom 3 bfg edition didn't get rid of the multiplayer, i liked it

[random island]

hi

is doom 3 worth it on the switch? im not a fan of bfg but doom 3 on the go is thing i always wanted

[manic iron]

Yeah its worth it

Sure it has the shoulder mounted flash light, and more ammo, but its lighting is actually not messed up like the original bfg edition

So thats good, plus it has all the expansions

[random island]

the 1 dlc

so they made the lighting to be like the original?

[manic iron]

Yep

Not super bright anymore

Tho it doesn't have doom 3's multiplayer which is a shame

[random island]

thats fine

i might consider it tbh

cause i was gonna end up modding my switch to get the og doom 3 that someone ported but if you say its worth it then ill buy it

i just hate the shoulder flashlight

[manic iron]

Well if you do then there always that fan port

Honestly I'd say if you hate the shoulder mounted flash light that much don't bother with the rerelease then

But its still a fine port for consoles

Only thing i noticed is that if you have extra shadows on the framrate stutters when going up a staircase for some reason

[random island]

yeah i mean i can deal with the flashlight @manic iron

i just wanted to know if like since its switch, it would hold up

[manic iron]

Then i say for it

The flashi light kinda balance out by having a very short time use

But it also recharges fast

[random island]

yeah i used to play bfg on ps3

i have doom 3 og on pc and xbox og

and android (shit port)

[manic iron]

I want to try og xbox doom 3 someday

Just fo the better cyber demon boss fight lol

[versed estuary]

You decide the buttons you press

You can lower total game brightness to zero, and only use flashlight when you have pistol out

I’f you want to turn doom 3 on switch closer to OG

[random island]

@manic iron u can get it 4 cheap

@versed estuary i did that anyway on ps3

[scenic stratus]

i need to:
-finish nightmare
-finish doom 3 xbox

[little raven]

I’m almost done with roe
Why is it so short

[manic iron]

Cause its just a small expansion

[little raven]

But it’s so good

[scenic stratus]

you doing nightmare fluffy boi?

[little raven]

Veteran

I tried nightmare got one hit by a lost soul then switched done to veteran

[marble dune]

I just finished RoE for the first time yesterday. It's so crazily better than Doom 3.

[versed estuary]

And sadly only took me 3 hours to play ;-;

[dire crystal]

Well, if you compare RoE and the last 3 hours of Doom 3, they are on the same level. Both are quite action packed

Sadly, there was nothing like Plutonia but for Doom 3, that would be interesting to experience

[little raven]

That would be interesting

[versed estuary]

I wouldn’t say on the level of Plutonia, but if BFG edition had double the enemies to compensate for all the ammo that would have been nice

[marble dune]

Is Perfected Doom 3 worth troubleshooting for? I installed it and had a ton of texture bugs that seemed like they might take some work to fix so I'm wondering if I should bother.

[honest lynx]

Doom 3 needed more pinkies and archville to be honest.

And nightmare is challenging but I wouldn't say hard. An ultra nightmare mode in doom 3 would be amazing

[little raven]

Is there a keep the dead for doom 3

[random island]

doom 3 was the first time i played doom

[scenic stratus]

nightmare isnt hard, its just trial and error. it really is kind of bad design if you think about it. Still having a blast though.

[honest lynx]

Instead of 25 health they had three times enemies plus twice damage would have been a better idea but it's still a really good damn time

The only health stations thing should stay though

[scenic stratus]

yeah i like the mechanics but the enemies should have been tougher instead of the cheap 25 hp thing. still find it more fun than veteran though.

[jolly turret]

doom 3 on ps4

[versed estuary]

Instead of tougher I just wish there were more

Demons

[scenic stratus]

Doom guy from third one is more interesting then regular doomguy

he wasn't as strong yet could take on the forces of hell just like the original one

[scenic stratus]

i agree

although with the extra lore from eternal i think i like the other one too

[manic iron]

Cheese just likes doom 3's pee pee

[scenic stratus]

goddammit

[manic iron]

Even if he says he hates the bfg edition, he'd still suck it off

[scenic stratus]

hmmn

[little raven]

I thought romero had nothing to do with doom 3

[coral solstice]

hence his reaction and what he wrote when he autographed a copy

[little raven]

What did he write

[robust rover]

He was disgusted

[little raven]

What did he write dude

[robust rover]

His signature i think

But the face

[little raven]

I think I’ve seen this photo before

[coral solstice]

"I didn't make this..."

[little raven]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGt9h7bXUAE2x4q?format=jpg&name=medium

This it?

[robust rover]

It is one of them

But there is a another

[little raven]

I’m on the case

[robust rover]

Nvm

It the same picture

[honest lynx]

Did he really hate doom 3 hahahahah

[robust rover]

He looked so angry and sad

[little raven]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGt9jDyXkAEMYnF?format=jpg&name=900x900

[manic iron]

I don't think he does, he probably just doesn't care about it

[robust rover]

At the same time

[manic iron]

I have to say tho, watching John Romero suck at doom eternal was a fun watch

[little raven]

John Romero looks like he is dying

[robust rover]

I mean, we now John prefer the modern one lmao

[little raven]

He was probably salty about dakitana

[honest lynx]

That reminds me of the time I got marry and pippin to autograph my hobbit book

[scenic stratus]

b r u h

[honest lynx]

I was 8!!!!

[robust rover]

I mean, i wonder why this game is named Doom 3

Its not even the continuity

Doom 2004 is better name

[honest lynx]

Doom 2067 would have been better

[scenic stratus]

better names that would have been superior to "Doom 3"

Doom: Lost in Darkness
Doom: Shadow of Hell
Doom: Drenched in Fear
Doom: Something other than falsely labeling it as a sequel

[little raven]

Doom: this one has a flashlight

Doom: the dark one

Doom: this one is only sorta cannon

[versed estuary]

Doom 2145

[scenic stratus]

Doom: There are babies now?!

[versed estuary]

Like I said, doom 3 isn’t a main doom game, it’s a “spin off”

If it was labeled and called as such it probably would have been better accepted and led to its own series of spin offs “maybe”

[little raven]

Doom: the one with those little fucking spiders that are the single most annoying enemy in all of existence

[versed estuary]

I say maybe because if 3 wasn’t hated, and 4 canceled, we never would have had these amazing reboots

[little raven]

If 4 was canceled we would have 4

And not 2016

That is a very scary parrel universe

What the fuck auto correct

[versed estuary]

I really want to know what 4 would have been, from what we saw it looked like cod

But what if that was just the first 10 min and everyone dies after that

[robust rover]

Doom 4 looked like COD, too much

[little raven]

It looked fucking boring and generic

[robust rover]

They only kept the Shotgun and glory kill

SSG*

[versed estuary]

From what they showed/ trailer yes. But we don’t actually know what the game would have been like.

They did have glory kills ready, so maybe it would have been fast paced?

[little raven]

The guy moved at the speed of a crippled slug

I don’t think it was fast paced

[versed estuary]

So did the 2016 e3 reveal

[robust rover]

I love how imp went

Brown human with spike, and red eye

Weird human thing with 8 eye

Weird white things horrific

Little summoner

And Doom 1/2 design

[versed estuary]

And 2016 was 100% faster than the e3 reveal

[robust rover]

Every E3 Of Doom was slow

[little raven]

Especially 3

[robust rover]

And all

[little raven]

Doom 3 stole the show at E3 2002 or something and it was bad

[versed estuary]

That’s cuz it showed off it’s lighting and graphics

[little raven]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j8NaZZa54cs

In all of its glory

But it’s better then this

[versed estuary]

Same trailer

[little raven]

Oops

[honest lynx]

Doom 4 betruger strikes back

[little raven]

Here we go

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=28mn_fJlmbo

[honest lynx]

Also no stealth and death animations

[robust rover]

Why 2002 version look so cool

And better

[scenic stratus]

how would the cancelled Doom 4 have worked... ||Betruger gets killed off in RoE|| and he was pretty much Doom 3's version of Satan most likely

[versed estuary]

Ok? You know how many “final bosses” doom guy and the slayer kill? Shit still goes on

[robust rover]

Hmm, Mixom

Mixom, the enterprise that is in every doom since 3 and 0 mention in codex or something

[boreal adder]

yeah that is a bit weird. would be nice if it was more than a perpetual easter egg

[scenic stratus]

I mean... it's just there for a joke imo. Mixom and Moxim just taking each other's ideas

not everything needs to be part of story

[coral solstice]

fun fact: there's a Mixom gas station in Rage

[robust rover]

Mixom is the most cursed brand

[boreal adder]

well yeah the whole idea of Mixom in Doom 3 was that they were one of those extremely shady sorta companies

and UAC contracted them pretty much because they were cheapest

and considering their main competitor was called Moxim, they probably secretly owned them too

or not-so-secretly 😛

[scenic stratus]

why would the UAC own both competitors

[boreal adder]

naw, I mean Mixom probably owns Moxim. Shady-like

UAC is very much implied to have contracted Mixom 'cause they'd sell the components at a much cheaper price than anyone else

if you go in for the lore Mixom is, like, a cartoonishly bad company

[scenic stratus]

ok that makes a lot more sense my brain isn't working that well today

[manic iron]

Uac ain't much better either

[boreal adder]

true. but at least Swann and Campbell were trying to stop Betruger

that makes doom 3 UAC a good deal better than the current one

"would somebody kill this idiot PLEASE!"

[scenic stratus]

yeah the game makes it clear that the scientists are just trying to do their jobs but some of the higher-ups were just terrible and obsessed with Hell projects rather than safety

[versed estuary]

Back to the nightmare I go

Can I say again. DAMN do I love how this game looks

And how it feels and moves on my switch?

Doom 3? Portable? In my hands? In bed? With headphones?

Doom you spoil me

Hmmm, I’m trying to decide if nightmare is harder or easier than Veteran

[lime plume]

nightmare just felt like health management with veteran difficulty. Wiki's say you take more damage on NM, but I never noticed honestly.

[versed estuary]

Yeah damage still feels the same I think, but the cube at the start is pretty op

[lime plume]

Indeed, by the end of the game I ended up preferring the difficulty just because of that thing lol

[versed estuary]

I also decided to raise my FOV from the standard 80 to 100

Everything looks,
Zoomed like? Idk if that’s the correct phrase

Oh I kinda like this

The flashlight doesn’t cover as much screen anymore

Also areas don’t look so. Close together?

I also lowered my brightness

Holy shit it’s like a whole new game wtf

I
Changed Fov from 80 to 100
Reduced brightness to zero
And enabled flashlight shadows.

This is beautiful

[scenic stratus]

it is

brightness on 0 and larger fov is pretty much what the og version looks like

[dire crystal]

If only you could bring cut monsters back as well in the bfg edition

[dire crystal]

Fragging Free remastered is out. Didn’t finish the original though at the time. Maybe will finish this one

[random island]

yo is there a video comparing the switch cfw port vs the bfg edition port on switch

[robust rover]

Its the same lmao

[scenic stratus]

there are a few differences and i will name them

in the rerelease to sprint and crouch you just press the joystick down like a button once, on the bfg edition you have to hold it. bfg edition contains pretty bad versions of doom 1 and 2. not very many differences, but they are there.

[honest lynx]

But cheese would sell his soul to play the bfg edition. He loves it

[scenic stratus]

Beautiful
Fucking
Game

[versed estuary]

You did it. You broke cheese

[scenic stratus]

im dead. ive died

[honest lynx]

Muahahah ( betruger laugh)

[little raven]

Your soul will be mine forever

[versed estuary]

Me read muahahah in generic voice
Reads parenthesis
Goes back and reads again in betruger voice

[little raven]

Making progress marine

They’ll get their product

[untold imp]

indeed

[acoustic kayak]

Indeed!

[warm void]

join voice 1 for a party

[limpid hedge]

Hello Doom friends, Here is my Doom 3 live.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWbfpWTcyjk

[honest lynx]

Play on nightmare

[scenic stratus]

Gougaru when someone doesnt play on nightmare is me when i see BFG edition

[honest lynx]

@scenic stratus hahahah YES!!! You nailed it

[robust rover]

The two horseman of the apocalypse

[scenic stratus]

now we gotta get 2 more people with weird triggers

[robust rover]

Yeah

[little raven]

I really don’t like the imps behind doors

Would that work

[scenic stratus]

no, its too logical. it has to be about as serious as a nitpick

[hard mauve]

Doom 3 channel

[honest lynx]

It has to be something specific and hardcore. Like someone who only plays og doom on nightmare with only a pistol

" pistol is the only way to play doom 3"

[versed estuary]

I don’t use sprint in doom 3 does that count

[scenic stratus]

you have to rant about it to the point that people get uncomfortable around you

[versed estuary]

I don’t use sprint in doom 3 because it makes the game too fast paced Day 1 rant

Also I snipe with the shotgun because it’s more fun

And I don’t really like the chaingun. Feels wonky

[honest lynx]

I dont use the chaingun either

Plasma for life

[cold wedge]

Ok

[scenic stratus]

going here because im too mad to stay in eternal chat

[cold wedge]

I used the pistol.

Bad idea

[robust rover]

I use sometimes the Shotgun even if they are far away

[scenic stratus]

it wouldn't make much of a difference if you tried to use it normally anyways 🤭

[unborn otter]

[dire crystal]

Not only bfg edition, but og doom 3 is too bright, I prefer playing with r_lightscale 1 and without any flashlight

Also “security weapon rub”, ie playing through the game using pistol-shotgun-machine gun-grenade only was a fun challenge run

[scenic stratus]

now do that challenge run on nightmare

[robust rover]

Imagine ultra nightmare

[scenic stratus]

oh no

[versed estuary]

Health still goes down but still only 1 life

Also 10 kills to fill cube

Also you can’t save mid level

[scenic stratus]

oh no

[versed estuary]

All enemies replaced with trites

[scenic stratus]

O H N O

[robust rover]

And you can only survive 2 hit

[versed estuary]

1 hit your hp is always at 25

[scenic stratus]

omfg i worked hard on that giant no

[versed estuary]

Also there is an invincible trite that follows you the entire game and kills you if you stop moving

Finall boss is a cyber trite that launches hordes of Trites at you

[scenic stratus]

You can't use flashlight

[robust rover]

And -25% of luminosity

With a black/blood blur

And there is two sabaoth

Imagine a people is reading this and is like should do a mod

[versed estuary]

Also enemy light signals are 80% darker,
And audio cues are halved

[little raven]

And you have one quarter of the ammo

[scenic stratus]

Ghosts are invisible 100% of the time

[versed estuary]

All enemies are invisible

No HUD

[scenic stratus]

Lost souls insta-kill you turning you into a zombie.

This zombie remains where you died with your weapons if you play again.

[versed estuary]

Inb4 gets hit by a BFG

[marble dune]

Doom 3 Veteran with something like halo skulls sounds pretty fun ngl

[versed estuary]

I hated how halo interpreted “harder difficulty”

10x the health and armor= harder lol

I’ll take enemies do more damage and there are more of them any day

[dire crystal]

Actually there was a mod for Doom 3 that turned off all light in the game, except for flashlight

[scenic stratus]

mat_fullbright 2

[honest lynx]

No lights doom 3 on ultra nightmare ... but og version only.... with just a pistol @versed estuary

[little raven]

No only the fists

[scenic stratus]

^this guy gets it 😏

[honest lynx]

Salamy slaps only

[little raven]

And you can’t pick up either of the beserks

And you must get 100% kills

[honest lynx]

I'm just going to go head and say you re good until the 2 hellknights that guard the hellgate

I don't think you can punch that out on nightmare

[little raven]

Legitimately try fist only nightmare you wouldn’t get to them

[unique hazel]

Wait

Does Doom 3 UN make you restart from the beginning when you die?

My second playthrough of the main campaign, I got killed by a door and a vicious rolling chair, so that sounds extremely frustrating

[honest lynx]

There is no ultra nightmare

It's just something I wish they add some day

[little raven]

Just do it yourself

[honest lynx]

Well i would ... but i don't die bro

[unique hazel]

Teach me how to be that good

I’ve only beat it on marine mode. Those double hell knights are a nightmare all on their own.

[versed estuary]

I started on veteran for my first run, like a true DOOMer

[unique hazel]

Wouldn’t a true Doomer play on the easiest mode? You can conserve more bullets and hp to kill even more demons. The Doom Slayer probably likes that.

[versed estuary]

When you run out of ammo you use your fists

[honest lynx]

A true doomer plays nightmare and ultra nightmare.. why? Because when you just cut threw a dozen demons and your wrists are hurting ... nothing beats that satisfaction of moving on to the next batch

[little raven]

I think byte me’s speedruns are the closest to cannon

[wind oak]

@unique hazel
also, something I found out is that the armor does practically nothing

I can be near death and I'd still be at 123 or so armor

[unique hazel]

Yeah, Doom 3 armor is notorious for being complete garbage

[wind oak]

the shotgun is shit too, what's worse is that's a choice they made. Fucken Carmack. He wanted to make Call of Doom (Doom 4 I believe?).

[unique hazel]

Arch-vile flames won’t hesitate to damage you multiple times very quickly so it’s always good to move as far from the center of the flames as you can

Standing in the center is basically death because each hit takes like 25-30 hp and it will just continually batter you the longer you are in it

[wind oak]

the longer you are in the center, the stronger the Arch-vile gets (sorry lol)

[unique hazel]

Basically the arch-vile shoots out a somewhat slim wave of fire

And the middle of it is the longest part

So basically just try to stay away from the fire in general

And if you can’t avoid it, run through it as fast as you can

[wind oak]

well, aren't there any weapons that can kill it any faster, other than the BFG?

[unique hazel]

Yes

Bfg is a very good option

You can also soul cube, but if there’s a hell knight nearby, the soul cube will target it regardless of how close you use it near the arch-vile

[wind oak]

I'm guessing you play this on switch as well?
also another reason why I put it down is cause I'm on low health at the hell part and a Mancubus keeping fucking me over

[unique hazel]

Yup

I always hide behind pillars, jump out, shoot a rocket real quick and hide behind a pillar again

You can also keep luring the manchub around the pillar and blast him from the back with a shotgun

[wind oak]

getting doom 3 again lol

[unique hazel]

Also a cool thing I learned from my recent playthrough is that you can avoid a commando’s tentacle arm attack thing by crouching

It’ll hit you if you crouch too early though

[wind oak]

huh, that's pretty cool. other than the Arch-vile, are there any new enemies after hell?

[unique hazel]

Don’t think so

Tbh I enjoyed RoE and Lost Mission more than the main campaign because sarge’s big boy gun and a cool new weapon that makes dealing with lost souls, ticks, cherubs, etc. so much easier

RoE especially had super unique and fun boss battles

[wind oak]

Is RoE on switch?

[unique hazel]

Yeah, they both are

If you select new game, it gives you the option to choose which campaign

I recommend finishing the main campaign though since RoE takes place after Doom 3 main campaign

[wind oak]

I've seen Civvie-11 play both, ever hear of him?

[unique hazel]

No

I don’t really watch YT anymore except for astronomy videos, switch directs, and doom eternal updates and stuff

[wind oak]

Ah well he's something to get into, he does pro videos on older games

[unique hazel]

Since mick gordon is no longer with us 😢😢

Perhaps

The man behind the doom 3 main theme could step in

Or men, or women because I’m not a sexist pig

[wind oak]

He did good on that theme, too bad that was the only metal part of the game tho

[unique hazel]

I enjoyed the mood of the main campaign, but I felt RoE and LM should’ve had some metal banging in the background because once you get sarge’s large lad gun nothing is even remotely threatening anymore

Except arch-viles

But we hate them anyway so

[wind oak]

I fucken hate the Lost Souls in Doom 3

[unique hazel]

You won’t in RoE

[wind oak]

awkward flight pattern, tosses the shit out of your screen because they thought the pained screen was a good idea which makes me hate the Trykes with a burning passion

[unique hazel]

You get a weapon that is literally just a kill button to them

[wind oak]

the SSG?

[unique hazel]

No

It’s way cooler
not really

[wind oak]

oh wait, yeah. the demonic heart essentially making you half demon

[unique hazel]

Not that

That’s still awesome for dealing with the new big boy demons though

They have to introduce even harder, beefier manchubs in RoE because even hell knights become obsolete against the SSG

You can just run up to them, bait them into melee, back away and shoot, and repeat

[wind oak]

also, the composer for Doom 3 theme was (I think) NiN

then there's Mick here doing a better job at making the D3 theme with Harbinger

[unique hazel]

Eh

I didn’t like Harbinger and Flesh & Metal more than D3 theme

They’re still good nonetheless

[wind oak]

I'd have to say either Rip and Tear or Mastermind would have to be my favorites. is there a doom OST channel?

[unique hazel]

My favorite Doom track from before from Mick was Mastermind, but now they’re The Only Thing They Fear Is You, Super Gore Nest, Cultist Base, and Demonic Corruption

[wind oak]

but then. but then The Only Thin They Fear is You just triumphs them all. although I still listen to the original songs regularly

[unique hazel]

So

Thoughts on Doom 3 baby shotgun?

[wind oak]

It's horrible. I shot an Imp point blank and one of the slugs went past the damn thing

[unique hazel]

My boy still lacking consistency as always

[wind oak]

in other Dooms, the shotgun is still relevant throughout the game but not this one. definitely not this one

[scenic stratus]

i use the shotgun a lot

[wind oak]

When I got the smg I quit right away with the shotgun

[scenic stratus]

am i weird?

[wind oak]

too much RNG. nah, only if you say D3 is better than D16

[unique hazel]

I use shotgun for the entirety of the normal campaign just because it kills faster and easier than the rest of the weapons despite being a terrible shotgun

[wind oak]

I stared to lean on the grenades from the abundance and they're probably one of the best

[unique hazel]

Only time I don’t use shotgun is for double hell knights and arch-viles

[wind oak]

the reloading bothered me

[unique hazel]

The only good arch-vile is an arch-vile that has been completely extirpated by the bfg

Sometimes I get mad at imps and ticks for lunge spamming and use the bfg on them too

[wind oak]

I'd say just use the chainsaw. Could always use those BFG cells for higher enemies

chainsaw or the chaingun

good crowd control

[unique hazel]

I consider the bfg the most horrendously painful method of eradication and save it for only the most annoying demons

Those being the annoying imps that lunge at you when you open a door

Only I’m allowed to door camp

[wind oak]

I've stared predicting which doors have imps so I usually open the door and toss a grenade while standing aside

also, you see what Nightmare does?

[unique hazel]

I never really use grenades unless I’m surrounded by swarms of ticks and absolutely annoyed by the constant camera spasms from being hit every millisecond

[wind oak]

I use the chainsaw for that, and sometimes the Plasma Rifle when I forget I have the chainsaw

[unique hazel]

I can’t chainsaw ticks

Last time I did that the game glitched out and the tick became invincible

I still have the video but I can’t send

[wind oak]

I'd say friend me on switch but can't do that either. the Switch needs a friend chat like PS4, Xbox One, and pretty much anything else

[unique hazel]

I have a lot of recordings of Doom 3 funny moments

Like me getting crushed from a door

[wind oak]

I was amazed when I found out there were reflections mostly cause games now don't have any for some reason

[unique hazel]

The bathroom mirrors?

[wind oak]

yeah

the only screenshot I have is of the surprised Doomguy face on the magazines

[unique hazel]

I was messing around with that and the way Doom Marine holds his gun and I didn’t even realize that there was a fat zombie sitting in a toilet stall across from me

Gotta give my mans some privacy

[wind oak]

hah, I think the only time the game ever got me was when they did that little jumpscare when you entered a specific bathroom

[unique hazel]

They get me every time I get hit by a zombie from behind

And when an imp falls from the ceiling directly in front of me

[wind oak]

another time was with a pistol zombie because how fucken loud the shot is

and I had headphones on

[unique hazel]

There was one part where I grabbed armor and expected an ambush once I entered the next room, but as soon as I turned around there was an imp right in my face and I jumped a little

[wind oak]

heh, how long is the hell segment btw?

[unique hazel]

Not very long

Just a lot of hell knights and bullcrap lost souls that will try to knock you off the platforms

[wind oak]

isn't there a room where mancubi fuck you over though?

[unique hazel]

No

[wind oak]

huh, I remember there being one

[unique hazel]

There’s a part where two spawn but you can just run past them and then shoot rockets at them from the high ground

[wind oak]

the chaingunners are the worst dear god

[unique hazel]

Big gun go pew pew

[wind oak]

their bullets ignore your armor and if the game spawns in two at a time you might as well load up a save

[unique hazel]

Corner camp

They’ll charge you and then you can blast them in the head with the shotgun when they come around the corner

[wind oak]

but like, more than half the shells're gonna miss and one's gonna hit

[unique hazel]

Tank a few bullets and fire again

It should only take at least 2-3 shotgun hits to kill them

2 if direct hits which you can get from point blank

[wind oak]

why not just use the rifle? better accuracy and hit rate

[unique hazel]

Slower

Point blank with shotgun should always be a direct hit

Works with revenants all the time

[wind oak]

is the SSG any better with the RNG?

[versed estuary]

^

Ssg is millions better

[unique hazel]

SSG is way more accurate

[versed estuary]

Much more condensed firing, and since fires 2 at once point blank can kill almost everything in game

[unique hazel]

You can kill an imp in one shot from a distance with SSG if your reticle is on them

[versed estuary]

^

Not to mention the gun itself is just so satisfying

[wind oak]

holy fuck, RoE already sounds better, how early in game?

[versed estuary]

Hmmm, 30min to 1 hour?

My only complaint about RoE is how short it is

[unique hazel]

SSG makes me feel safe. Even manchubs can’t belittle me because while I may be mortal, the SSG is not

[versed estuary]

Because it’s so fucking good. But short.

[wind oak]

well, as I've heard it feels more like a traditional Doom than Doom 3 did

[unique hazel]

Yeah you get SSG early

I was surprised

[versed estuary]

Doom 3 took me 8 hours to beat.
But it took 5-6 hours before it felt like doom in the sense of tons of enemies

RoE took me 3 hours to beat but it was nonstop action

[unique hazel]

With SSG you don’t even need a strategy to deal with revenants anymore, you just run around their rockets and blast them in the face

[versed estuary]

If the entire campaign of doom 3 had the pacing of RoE, Doom 3 probably would have been a massive success

[unique hazel]

And the hell knight strategy is the same, but only 3 shots now

[wind oak]

oh wait, were you talking about the gravity gun in Doom 3?

[versed estuary]

Gravity is a “I’m bored so imma use this gun”

[unique hazel]

The lore in Doom 3 is interesting too in the sense that the whole night sentinel and maykr thing was planned from the beginning

[wind oak]

wait, so Doom 3 is tied to the series?

[unique hazel]

Kinda

There are still some things that don’t make sense

Samuel Hayden states that the Slayer is the only being the walk across dimensions and live, but Marine did that too

[versed estuary]

2 different timelines

[unique hazel]

And so did like the two other marines

[versed estuary]

Doom 3 isn’t apart of this timeline

It’s an alternate timeline/ spin off

Things and bits were taken from 3 and added to the official slayer lore but 3 itself is not connected

[unique hazel]

Yeah I found it strange that they said the Slayer wielded the soul cube, but it was nowhere to be seen in 2016

[versed estuary]

Doom 1-2-64-2016-eternal, all same timeline/ lore

[wind oak]

it was in Olivia's office in Lazarus labs. but just as an easter egg

[versed estuary]

Doom 3 was also supposed to be a reboot of doom 1 itself, so it can’t fit in the timeline

Unless of course you look at alternate timelines dimension hoping etc etc in which it gets confusing. But no, doom marine is not connected himself

[unique hazel]

So if hell is on earth, that technically means the marine from eternal’s timeline failed to stop betruger

[versed estuary]

No, because doom 3 isn’t in this timeline

So betruger isn’t in eternal timeline

[unique hazel]

Betruger never existed

[versed estuary]

Indeed

[acoustic kayak]

Indeed!

[wind oak]

indeed

[acoustic kayak]

Indeed!

[unique hazel]

😢sad boy r

[versed estuary]

The invasion could have still occurred the same way. But the events and people involved are different

[unique hazel]

And no soul cube

[versed estuary]

Also mind you, this is technically hell on earth 2

[unique hazel]

Use us

[versed estuary]

Since doom 2 hell on earth occurred.

And then eternal hell on earth,

However something something I think it’s alternate earths or whatever

Dimension hoping with no full context lore gets tricky to navigate

[unique hazel]

Doom has become kingdom hearts

Or zelda

[versed estuary]

Not really, it’s not confusing to follow.
Doomguy does stuff. Goes in a portal. Crosses dimensions. Turns into slayer. Pretty straight forward

Zelda has 3 alternate timelines, that’s different, because they are all canon

[hybrid ibex]

there are unsed kahn maykr lines saying doom guy is from the 7th universe so theres something i guess

[versed estuary]

Indeed, dimension hopping

Which Wolfenstein Youngblood and eternal have both confirmed

[unique hazel]

Aight fellas, I’m bouta wall texture

[hybrid ibex]

also if you really dive deep in to the codexes Hell is universal for every dimension

[unique hazel]

[wind oak]

so Wolfenstein YB takes place in the same time as Eternal?

[versed estuary]

Hell is hell. It’s one dimension, connected by all dimension

[hybrid ibex]

@wind oak in YB bj said ther are multiple universes and he claimed he saw eternals

[versed estuary]

Youngblood confirms the existence of portals and multi dimensions, doesn’t mean time is relevant anymore depending how they do it

[unique hazel]

They need to release YB’s OST. The combat theme in Brother 2 was mega good.

[versed estuary]

Ikr?

[hybrid ibex]

but hey with some weird method Hell is a universe portal hub

so lets call doom 3s universe the 3rd universe because its basically a remade doom 1

[versed estuary]

Weird but makes sense. Also why time seems to be wonky for them

[unique hazel]

Doom 3 doom slayer is actually a fat lard sitting on his stained sofa watching cable and eating hot chip

[hybrid ibex]

are you referencing Mullet slayer

[unique hazel]

I don’t know what that is

[hybrid ibex]

look it up youre in for a treat

[versed estuary]

🎣

[unique hazel]

I just want id to confirm that there’s a universe with a fat sweaty gamer slayer

[versed estuary]

Well, since we have dimension confirmation. ANYTHING can be possible. Even a real doomicorn slaye

[hybrid ibex]

well the slayer is a gamer but he aint fat

[scenic stratus]

i just want id to release a daisy plush

[versed estuary]

Head or full?

[unique hazel]

A universe where the oncoming hordes of humans invade earth to destroy all of demonkind

[scenic stratus]

good question

[hybrid ibex]

Just the foot

[versed estuary]

Just the guts

Rip and tear

[scenic stratus]

not daisy

[hybrid ibex]

because Doomguy just carries her foot as a reminder to to kill all demons

[unique hazel]

Human icon of sin would be icon of skin

[versed estuary]

Didn’t some collector edition people get a daisy plush

[unique hazel]

Welcome to the mess hall

[hybrid ibex]

Remember doomguy is a Gamer, collector, Metal enthusiast, and a loving pet owner

[versed estuary]

I remember on twitter seeing a few images of people whose collectors editions had a rabbit plush in the helmet

[unique hazel]

Ok so I’ve been very confused about who has the bfg in the main campaign

My first playthrough I thought it was the sarge, but apparently it’s some other dude that helps Swann that nobody knows and sarge is who knows where

[hybrid ibex]

theres 3 bfg's total in doom 3, 2 are secrets the normal one is Demon sarge saboath

[unique hazel]

But who’s the guy that has it in the beginning

[hybrid ibex]

idk

[unique hazel]

Is he a marine? Or is he like Swann’s bodyguard, and how does he of all people have access to the BFG and not Sarge?

Meanwhile the dude holding the BFG looks the same as Sarge so I don’t even know who I’m talking to half the time

It’s too late to think about Doom 3 plot gn

[scenic stratus]

But who’s the guy that has it in the beginning
@unique hazel
There are 3 BFGs. One is kept at Delta Labs. Another is Campbell's (Swann's aide) and the last is Sarge's.

Ah yes there's also a lost one in Hell.

[umbral folio]

How easy is doom 3’s easiest difficulty?

[scenic stratus]

Very easy

[marble dune]

^ You can still tank 2 point blank shotgun shots on Veteran as long as you have some armor

[honest lynx]

On nightmare a shotgun will snipe you across the room

[little raven]

The armor in this game is the most useless thing ever

[scenic stratus]

yeah you can be at 125armor... and when you get to near death the armor is like 100. Why even have it in the game at that point, you'd be better off not wasting time with armor shards anyway

[unique hazel]

Doom 3 easiest difficulty is easy. The real challenge is the airlock parts, the ladders, and that one platforming part by the entrance to the mine

[marble dune]

the ladders
you're not wrong

[little raven]

Roe is fucking hard though

[versed estuary]

Nah

Just the final boss fight is, but that’s because I don’t use sprint

It’s hard to dodge its attacks without sprinting

[little raven]

It feels like plutonia with so many revenants

Way too many revenants

[robust rover]

Last boss of ROE ?

Is not even that hard

[versed estuary]

I don’t use sprint

So I couldn’t dodge half it’s attacks

But that’s more a me problem than anything else

[unique hazel]

I found RoE to be much easier

Hell Knights were obsolete with the SSG, and the lift gun thing made dealing with ticks, lost souls, and cherubs so much easier

Bruiser was the only thing that really gave trouble

[scenic stratus]

Roe is pretty easy

The artifact has strong abilities and a copy of the gravity gun helps quite well.

[unique hazel]

RoE redeemed Doom 3 as a Doom game

[scenic stratus]

tbh I actually liked the game by itself already... yeah RoE is more action packed and faster paced but vanilla is still pretty solid on it's own

[unique hazel]

Main campaign is good too

In RoE it felt like the bosses were afraid of you

[versed estuary]

Ssg was hot

[scenic stratus]

I mean they did get the hell beat out of them 2 years prior by a random marine... I would be as well

[unique hazel]

I thought LM was good too. The final boss was just a little disappointing, that’s my only complaint.

[scenic stratus]

Lost Missions wasn't anything special... it was just a shorter RoE, the only thing that makes it worth it was the last 2 Hell levels which really reminded me of Doom 2 with how open spaced everything was and how bizarre the layout was

too bad it was still a little bit linear

[unique hazel]

I hated that part a lot

The cacodemon spam was real

[scenic stratus]

commandos were worse imo, they kept spamming them either behind you, behind closed doors, or just around the corner

you have to all but keep a plasma gun or ssg equipped

[unique hazel]

I like commandos

[little raven]

I haven’t played lost missions

[unique hazel]

You can avoid their attacks by crouching

[little raven]

Not the chaingunners

[scenic stratus]

Yes, to be honest, in terms of the placement of enemies, none of the Doom 3 DLCs is good in originality

yeah ik that but how can you avoid something when the game goes out of it's way to spawn them behind you it was funny and annoying I'll admit

[unique hazel]

Chaingunners are just all around annoying. The only method I found is to just charge them and blast them quickly with the shotgun/SSG

[scenic stratus]

I just run away because they are a lot less accurate and try to hit them with plasma from behind a corner

[unique hazel]

I wish enemies like imps and ticks couldn’t lunge because that is like one of the most annoying things

[scenic stratus]

To be honest, I don't like how shooting feels in Doom 3,all weapons except plasma rifle feel plastic.

In Doom 2/1, the shooting process was much better.

[unique hazel]

There was one part where I rode an elevator up and was getting ready to go in another elevator, but I got lunged by an imp around a corner that knocked me back down to the previous floor and I had to ride up again

[scenic stratus]

eh... I liked all the gun designs but the sounds they used for them (except plasma) all sounded weak and muffled

yeah and chaingun wasn't bad either

[unique hazel]

I enjoyed the shotguns

[scenic stratus]

I don't like the design of the pistol and shotgun but the other guns had pretty nice design

I enjoyed the shotguns
@unique hazel XD say that when it takes 3-4 shots to kill a basic Imp... you have to all but you it as a melee weapon for actual damage but the SSG, it is a beast

[unique hazel]

It takes 1 shot to kill the imp

Point blank

[scenic stratus]

hm, it always takes me 3 for some reason

[unique hazel]

Wait for them to throw a fire ball and run up to them and blast before they melee

[scenic stratus]

It can actually kill in one shot

But at really close distance

[versed estuary]

Even point blank it’s random if it truly kills or not

[unique hazel]

Sometimes it won’t work if you’re slightly off, but you can just bait them into melee, back up, and fire, just like with the hell knight

[scenic stratus]

I'm just saying... we should have gotten the sniper shotguns like the Z-sec demons had

[unique hazel]

Hell knights take like 7-8, but if you do it correctly and aren’t screwed over by hell knight projectile aoe you can do it without taking damage

[scenic stratus]

shotgun admittedly isn't even bad it just takes a lot of accuracy for it

[unique hazel]

Exactly

[scenic stratus]

sometimes going back and forward until the demon gets killed

[unique hazel]

It’s not a good shotgun, but if you can aim with it and are good at close quarters combat, you can utilize it to its full effect

[scenic stratus]

mhm

Why do you need shotgun in Doom 3 when you have a machine gun

[unique hazel]

Never mention that gun

It takes like 3 whole clips to kill a hell knight with

[scenic stratus]

Idk machine gun feels pretty op to me

Great for headshoting imps and zombies

[unique hazel]

It’s a good zombie killer

[scenic stratus]

I always use plasma rifle/rpg for bigger enemies

Cacodemons by the way are insanely weak in Doom 3

They can be easily killed even with fists

yeah it you can use a pistol to make the projectile explode in it's face

[versed estuary]

Nightmare. Makes most enemies harder. And the hard enemies a joke. It’s an interesting balance

[honest lynx]

Malidict on nightmare really is the best doom boas battle in doom 3... by a mile

I loved It

Pro tip. When you get to the metroid strike part you can go far right beside it and avoid them altogether

They only target the front of the arena

[wind oak]

Just finished the game

[unique hazel]

I liked the boss that used electricity

Maledict had one attack that I found to just be really stupid, and it was that meteor rain thing

[scenic stratus]

||the ending to roe is hilariously anti-climactic, the final boss doesn't help at all either.||

[honest lynx]

Malidict is probably the best boss in nightmare though hands down

The rest are laughable

You have to remember you have 25 health and no health stations in the last area of roe

I did the malidict fight with 11 health

[marble dune]

I think it's the best fight even on non-Nightmare. Vagary/Sarge are way too easy and the Cyberdemon fight is needlessly obtuse (and also easy).
The Invulnerability Hunter fight is also good if you don't abuse the Artifact.

[unique hazel]

using the artifact during a boss fight

[marble dune]

I never did but I assume people do

[unique hazel]

The unique mechanics of each boss is what makes the game a lot more fun. A new way to play. You kinda ruin the experience when you just go through the entire game with berserk, though I’m sure that’s the true Slayer way.

[marble dune]

We're in total agreement. I used it during the Maledict fight once and I think there's a puzzle you need it for but otherwise I almost forgot it was a thing.

Also, as an aside, RoE is insanely better than the base game.

[unique hazel]

I usually forget that I have instant kill artifact because of the intimidation of seeing a large boy, like the bruisers

first boss is literally just hell knight from 2016

[honest lynx]

In roe I found using the artifact for the malidict wasnt even remotely neccessary. I tend to forget to use the soul cube and artifact... walking around with 5 health

Commandos on the other hand can get it lol

[hybrid ibex]

i just realized both doom movies take inspiration from DOOM 3
Doom was basically doom 3 in movie form
Doom annihilation only had betruger

[unique hazel]

I had gone through the entirety of RoE with the super shotgun, so I was was so fond of it that I spent 10 minutes trying to shoot Maledict with it

[honest lynx]

That's a bad idea

[hybrid ibex]

question does the doom 3 re-release come with the bonus content

[honest lynx]

It takes about 14 bfg shots to kill the thing

Hahah

[unique hazel]

Bonus content as in the dlc campaigns, or the eternal slayer cosmetics?

[hybrid ibex]

Dlc

[unique hazel]

Yeah it comes with them

[hybrid ibex]

ok thank you i already have the Red Doom Marine

[wind oak]

Oh my Lord the SSG in Resurrection of Evil is beautiful

[hybrid ibex]

Not as beautiful as The SSG in doom 2, 64, 2016, eternal though

[little raven]

It beats doom 2 and 64 easily

[versed estuary]

^

Doom 3 ssg is so MEATY. Sounds better. And feels and performs better

[unique hazel]

Doom 2 SSG go
broom chk chk

[scenic stratus]

doom 2 ssg is forever my favorite

[unique hazel]

Wait I can send doom 3 videos in showroom?

[scenic stratus]

sorry meant 2

doom 3 ssg is a close 2nd

idk, the ssg in 2016 and eternal are amazing, but the sound effect justs sounds so weak

[versed estuary]

From what I saw in videos eternal sounds better than 2016s

2016 has arguably the weakest sounding one

[hybrid ibex]

2016's sounds like a souped up pea shooter while eternal sound meatier and Doom 2 SSG will have a special place in my heart forever

[scenic stratus]

in terms of ssg: Eternal>3>2016>2>64

from greatest to least

I say Eternal because of sheer power and the flaming meathook when you use the mastery for that weapon

but 64 is worse because it feels the same as the normal shotgun in some cases, there's no reload animation, and the sound design is bad

flaming meathook is godly

it really is... it's basically an extra flame belch

[charred fox]

I always see good folks underrate 64’s shotgun when it’s actually even better than the classic

If only for the firerate

[robust rover]

64 is so much better, and tbh the Doom 3 SSG is more trash than the other

[lean haven]

Hurr hurr Doom 3's pump shotgun is the best

[unique hazel]

2016’s combat shotgun felt amazing

[manic iron]

I dunno, roe super shotgun still has the range issue that the combat shotgun in doom 3

It at least is better at close range

[scenic stratus]

thats what i said a while back and got attacked for it

[manic iron]

Lol

I mean it has a nice design

But eh its what the normal shotgun should have been

[scenic stratus]

I adore that 80% of the conversations here are simply about Shotguns.

[manic iron]

well it is the work horse of dooms weapon sandbox

reliable (save for doom 3's), quick, alot of damage

[scenic stratus]

Doom is the only game I use shotguns in at all.

[fervent crest]

the Doom 3 shotgun ain't that bad, sure it isn't a reliable one shot but it's a pretty reliable 2 shot for the most part

[manic iron]

No i despise it lol

I despise it on the same level as Halo 3's shotgun

[marble dune]

it is definitely that bad

[fervent crest]

Halo 3's shotgun is one of the best wdym, it's better than 2's and it's meant to be used as defensive only so if you try going on killstreaks with the thing you're gonna fail

not as good as CE or Reach but still

[manic iron]

Better then 2's? Thats not saying much, at least 2 let you load more shells in, they both have the same shit range, ce had the better shotgun, reach comes in 2nd

[fervent crest]

actually I guess 3 is the second worst now that I think about it

cause 4 and 5's shotguns are better mechanically

design's track for them tho

[manic iron]

Doom 3 basically started the trend of piss poor range on video games shotguns lmao

[fervent crest]

I never find myself in a situation where I feel like the shotguns letting me down in Doom 3

[marble dune]

then you need to go hit the lotto

[fervent crest]

but I just have to use it more specifically

[manic iron]

I have multiple times

Sometimes it one shots, sometimes it doesn't

[fervent crest]

as in I use it at fairly close ranges

and I never at all expect a 1 shot

only 2 shots

[marble dune]

but that's the problem. a shotgun stuffed up a demon's nostrils should never be a 2 shot kill

[manic iron]

Lol nice civvie reference

[fervent crest]

I don't expect anything from it it can't do, I use it based on its limitations and the situations it's useful in and when I do that it doesn't let me down

still, chaingun's better

[marble dune]

well yea it's the second best weapon in the game

[manic iron]

Its only ever used for me because it has a massive amount of ammo in og doom 3 and bfg edition, other then that, probably the worst shotgun I've ever used in a game

Only excuse i can give it is that it might add unpredictability in a horror game

But since doom 3 kinda fails at horror for most of the game because its so damn cheesy and funny lol

[fervent crest]

It's not that unpredictable when I use it as a 2 shot, it's unpredictable if it 1 shots to me which is a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one. It's much better than expecting a one shot and getting let down over it

[manic iron]

But thats why i mainly use mods for doom 3

To make its weapons sound and function better

[coral solstice]

I really wish there was 4K Upscale texture pack out there because the default textures look really ugly

[fervent crest]

they look really ugly now in 2020, for 2004 this stuff was revolutionary

[marble dune]

speaking of it being horror but kinda funny, yesterday I was squeezing through a tight space and when I got through there was an NPC standing there that jump scared the shit out of me so I reflex shot and obliterated him

[scenic stratus]

Do you think what the textures is only thing what looks ugly?

[marble dune]

thankfully the shotgun got him in 1 shot

[scenic stratus]

Do you like quadratic character's heads more?

[manic iron]

Eeeh i think the textures are fine for the most part honestly

Its just some of the models and lower polygons that make it look more dated

[scenic stratus]

Some other games from 2004 looks better in this case

[manic iron]

Yeah the most obvious is half life 2

Doom 3 focused more on its lighting tho

If anything else

[scenic stratus]

Half-Life 2 characters don't look like their head is an octagon.

And in Half-Life 2, there are also dynamic shadows,and relatively soft ones.

[manic iron]

Yeah but it's no where near as advanced looking as doom 3's

Or is it a main focus point

[scenic stratus]

This is the same dynamic lighting tech as in HL2 i guess but in Half-Life 2 it realistically illuminates the normal maps and has a soft effect due to noise at the edges.

Projected textures are very cheap and effective way to produce dynamic lighting

[manic iron]

Yeah true

Half life 2's lighting at the end of the day looks more realistic i guess

But thats also half life 2 tried to do its environments realistically, well as realistic as a ruined alien savaged world could look

[scenic stratus]

If we do not take into account the fact that dynamic lighting often conflicts with static lighting in HL2,then the lighting there looks photorealistic.

Because lighting in Half Life 2 actually is ray-traced

[little raven]

Doom 3 is a pretty game when ever there aren’t people on screen

[manic iron]

Why do all the characters have such wide shoulders in doom 3 lmao

[honest lynx]

Because shoulder pads from the 80s make a come back 125 years from now

[little raven]

The characters in 3 all walk like they have a melon stuck up their ass

[trail nymph]

its actually because they have pda's up their asses

[honest lynx]

16 times the detail !

[dire crystal]

Unpopular opinion but the second half of og Doom 3 is frankly more action packed than RoE, you’re put into more various encounters and don’t have op weapons like grabber and the artifact. Also original Doom 3 is much more eager to throw several enemies at you at once

[honest lynx]

You're right ... that is an unpopular opinion haha

But og doom has its moments. However roe is far far more fast paced. And it's the closest 3 gets to the classics in that sense

I feel like the Archies did a good job at giving you a few enemies to fight at once though

[versed estuary]

My guy said grabber is op

[little raven]

Has this guy not played roe the whole game is about throwing you in a room with dozens of revenants

[versed estuary]

Grabber at best is a stupid tool for the first 5 min of the game / boss fight that’s it

[little raven]

I use it every now and then when I want to save ammo but it’s mainly for early game

In the only reason to use another weapon is when you run out of shotgun shells

[charred fox]

I love the grabber because you can flip to it really fast

Makes a simple hallway fight way too dramatic

In a fun way (unless you move too much and it flies off center what the fuck)

[honest lynx]

Grabber was only made to fling cherubs in the air and then to hurt them in slow motion while they wave around helplessly in dread

[scenic stratus]

Grabber was only made to mimic Half-Life 2

[honest lynx]

@scenic stratus ... still got that clip ??

[scenic stratus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516124384050544641/688602958006452244/fuck_babies.mp4

[versed estuary]

PULL

[honest lynx]

Hahahaha still the damn best

[marble dune]

The grabber was an idea before HL2. It was supposed to be in the base game.

[dire crystal]

It kinda exists in the main game, there was a console command to move physical objects. Grabber is that but weaponized

[unique hazel]

Grabber sucks tbh

It barely even grabs projectiles half the time

Shotguns and rocket launcher are real shit
(The good kind)

[scenic stratus]

i stopped using the grabber after i started getting more weapons, it really isnt that great

[little raven]

I just got an idea

A grabber only run

[unique hazel]

I used it a little ways into the game to throw rock fragments at some maggots

[scenic stratus]

@marble dune VALVe came up with the gravity gun, also, before the release of Half-Life 2.

So we don't know whose idea it was before but we do know in whose video game the gravity gun came first.

[manic iron]

And we also know the gravity gun is way better

[scenic stratus]

oh boy i cant wait to hear the screaming

[dire crystal]

Doom 3 Phobos Episode 2 has finished development phase, now it’s up testing. Episode 1 was one of the best Doom 3 mods ever, but it’s very harcore

[marble dune]

I wasn't implying that being first to the physics based grab weapon was important. More that id had their own ideas and didn't include it in RoE as some sort of cash grab hype weapon that so many assume it was.

[little raven]

If only it had been cooler

It replaced the awesome chainsaw and it sucked

[scenic stratus]

doom 3's chainsaw is ridiculously useless

[little raven]

What were you smoking dude

[random pivot]

I didn't even realize the grabber replaces the chainsaw because I never used the chainsaw once

[marble dune]

You can chainsaw an archvile in like 3 seconds what are you talking about

[versed estuary]

Chainsaw is fun for possessed

[dire crystal]

Chainsaw works well against most portal spawned demons

[scenic stratus]

I just stand right up against the portal and shotgun them when they do that little intro animation thing.

[versed estuary]

^

[little raven]

That’s like playing whack a mole except most of time your hammer is a flacid willie

[unique hazel]

Shotgun is just chainsaw with range

It’s absolutely impossible to run out of shotgun ammo

[honest lynx]

Wait... did you just say the shotgun has range ...

[little raven]

It has less range then the chainsaw

[honest lynx]

It has less range than the salamy punch

[little raven]

It has less range then something without range

[honest lynx]

I'd trust my bouncey grenades more

[little raven]

Who thought it was a good idea to make the grenades out of rubber

[honest lynx]

The UAC

[swift bane]

Yes

[swift bane]

[scenic stratus]

If they didn't jump around like a tiny bouncy ball I'd be mad

[hybrid ibex]

i now have a vaild reason to say Doom 3 is okay but i feel like the shotgun could hit harder now that i have finally played some of it

[versed estuary]

Not hit harder
Just hit

[hybrid ibex]

yeah

[dire crystal]

So what do you think is a worst Doom 3 level? For me it’s either Communications Transfer or Communications, both are much less interesting than the levels before and after them

[scenic stratus]

probably the entire first 45 minutes of the game, communications and monorail station just feel boring.

[hasty tartan]

[scenic stratus]

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