doom-3

[boreal adder]

what isss, a Broodleses?

[fervent crest]

idk

[nimble wren]

hey me neither but I still played the classic games first

[fervent crest]

yeah well I didn't even know the classic games existed until after I beat 2016

[scenic stratus]

Sad

[fervent crest]

as you can see I was not a very educated gamer when it came to the first fps games

my parents never played video games other tham maybe an arcade game here or there

they were of the few people that had windows 95 and not Doom

[scenic stratus]

There was quite a few first person games before doom

[fervent crest]

yeah well I didn't know they existed either

[nimble wren]

not popular ones though
Doom was the first popular one

[fervent crest]

if I hadn't heard of Doom you think I'd heard of wolfenstein or any other?

[scenic stratus]

Wolf 3d??

[boreal adder]

unlike steele here I'm just teasin' ya 😛

[fervent crest]

there was a time when I actually thought Halo was the first fps game since I took it out of context when they said it (they meant first major console fps title)

[boreal adder]

oh deer

[scenic stratus]

Lol

[fervent crest]

so yeah, not a very educated gamer indeed

[boreal adder]

hair, antlers nose and all

[fervent crest]

in fact Doom is the only reason I delved back that far

if I'd never played Doom 2016 I would still not know what Doom even was

[nimble wren]

don't go on the Internet much, do you

[boreal adder]

wait wait wait
he has a point
what's this Doom thing we are talking about?

[fervent crest]

false I do, just didn't have a reason to look back into the past

also I avoid most social media areas and forums so I don't talk to people other than on discord

[boreal adder]

internet's a big place. lots of stuff to not find

[fervent crest]

^

[boreal adder]

more empty wilderness than Canada

[fervent crest]

ok how tf am I supposed to deal with these tenticle soldiers, they jump in the air in what seems to be slow motion, I time my duck and duck when they swing but they still hit me

[boreal adder]

you can afford to be hit once in a while, there's a lot of health

[fervent crest]

not when I'm on 37 with a spawner behind him I don't

[boreal adder]

don't be afraid to use your chaingun or plasma if they're coming at you from some distance away, you can often take them out before they get too close

[fervent crest]

and when I'm out of chaingun and plasma ammo

and they're in close quarters

[boreal adder]

otherwise it's all precise timing or trying to kill him before he hits you

[scenic stratus]

Crouch as you're about to be hit

[boreal adder]

he's got that part

you just need to practice the timing

[fervent crest]

I do, he swings but then it's like when he pulls back he hits me

[boreal adder]

try to get a shot in early so you can kill him before he does that part

[scenic stratus]

You gotta crouch and then immediately get that sg 1 shot

[fervent crest]

nvm I got it

[scenic stratus]

Otherwise kill them before they reach you

[boreal adder]

what kind of spawner anyway? trites don't spawn infinitely

you can take them all out before you pass

[fervent crest]

now I'm on 16 health with no chaingun and assault rifle ammo and low plasma ammo

[boreal adder]

then they're not behind you

pistol even works on them if you're careful

[scenic stratus]

Are you using bfg edition?

[fervent crest]

I was in the first area after you find the scientist dude who was with the seargent

[nimble wren]

low ammo? you're playing the original aren't you?

[scenic stratus]

Right??

[fervent crest]

I had to find all my guns again and I was very limited on ammo

[boreal adder]

oooooh Delta 5

[fervent crest]

ye

[boreal adder]

explains much

[fervent crest]

not fun

[boreal adder]

oh I disagree

[scenic stratus]

Love that part

[fervent crest]

well fun but frustrating

[boreal adder]

soul cube for health

[fervent crest]

wait what

[boreal adder]

if you use it on the right things it won't matter when you run low

[fervent crest]

you can use that thing?

[scenic stratus]

Yep just save it for the archviles

[boreal adder]

um yeah

[fervent crest]

-_-

[boreal adder]

archviles, tentacle or chaingun dudes

[fervent crest]

whenever I press m1 it switched to a gun

[scenic stratus]

Every 5 kills you can use it to kill 1 thing

[fervent crest]

wait tf it didn't that time

ok then...

[boreal adder]

don't be afraid to use it if you think it'll help a lot. there are other ways to kill archviles too

such as the pistol

[scenic stratus]

So only use it for emergencies

[boreal adder]

pretty much. archvile does count as one of those

[fervent crest]

oh

[nimble wren]

it shows an icon on the HUD when you can use it

[fervent crest]

I am learning much today

[scenic stratus]

And says "use us"

[fervent crest]

it's bad enough I never found the bfg

[scenic stratus]

Lol

[fervent crest]

and yes this is the original

[boreal adder]

oh you won't get that again till it gets shot at you

[scenic stratus]

There's a bfg both before and in hell

[fervent crest]

decided to play original before bfg

heard the original was better in some ways

[boreal adder]

only time in the whole Doom franchise you have to go up against a bfg 😄

[scenic stratus]

Nice the original is definitely the way to go

[nimble wren]

original vs. BFG is definitely subjective

[boreal adder]

I prefer the original, but not so much that I wouldn't play BFG. they're both good

[fervent crest]

I do have the bfg edition though, I bought both at the same time

[boreal adder]

good man!

[fervent crest]

basically I have every doom title and when eternal comes out I'll have that and 64 as well

[boreal adder]

TWO WEEK

[scenic stratus]

Literally everything good about bfg can be modded into the original except vr support

[boreal adder]

sssarge iss coming for youuu

ssssaarge isss gonna kill youuu

[dark knot]

Ssssssaarggge isss kinndaaa cockkkkyyyy

[boreal adder]

I love that CPU level though. it looks like it'll be small, at first, but then it's actually massive

[dark knot]

Mhm

[boreal adder]

granny, what a red demonic glow you have

[dark knot]

Oh that? It's my perfume
The last words of granny sue before betrugr opened the hell portal and fucked everything up

[boreal adder]

("the better to kill you with, my dear"?) 😦

[dark knot]

._.

[hybrid beacon]

I’m going through my first doom 3 play through

[boreal adder]

oh well, be very careful to make sure the hell knights kill you

sorry I got that backwards

the hell knights will be very careful to make sure they let you kill them

...no still not right

[dark knot]

Oof

How about
Shoot the hell knight until it dies

[boreal adder]

no I don't like it. too simple

couldn't possibly work

how about beat it with a stick

oh and be sure you remember, the only weapon that can hurt Cyberdemon

is your flashlight

[honest lynx]

End of lost missions you can pistol the hellknight as it follows you across the bridge slowly... if you're into that...

[boreal adder]

just get right in there

End of lost missions you can pistol the hellknight as it follows you across the bridge slowly... if you're into that...
@honest lynx if you know what I mean!

[honest lynx]

Winkkkk winkkkk

[boreal adder]

nudge nudge
say no more

[fervent crest]

these babies are getting on my nerves

what's the best way to deal with them

[boreal adder]

neurally

[nimble wren]

machine gun

[boreal adder]

specifically, neural impulses toward whatever limb is holding your "fire weapon" button

[honest lynx]

I found that the machinegun works best the chaingun misses them a bunch occasionally

[boreal adder]

shotgun sometimes does the trick

[honest lynx]

I dont like having them in that jump range

[fervent crest]

ha, sarge managed to get me down to 4 health but then I just soul cubed him

[honest lynx]

Soul cube out the door rockets rockets rockets and he dies before he can really hurt you

[fervent crest]

I went in reverse order but that's basically what I did

I used rockets until my health was low then soul cubed and that killed him, while giving me full health after the battle

[boreal adder]

I never used rockets. soul cube then plasma or chaingun

he dies in less than 10 seconds

[honest lynx]

It's actually possible to just complete destroy him just when the door opens if you do that bro its sick

[boreal adder]

killing him fast is the thing, 'cause you won't survive too many BFG rounds even if you can shoot them down

[honest lynx]

Doing my nightmare run so I cant have him touch me at all

[boreal adder]

flashlight it is, right?

or will you bring out the big guns?
by which I mean fists

punch that tank!

[honest lynx]

Ultimate challenge... beat doom 3 with bounce grenades

[dark knot]

Oof, yet I'm sure it's possible

[honest lynx]

Teleporter room in ROE... when the rev wave happens ... I bounced so many grenades out that door

[fervent crest]

hey so I'm in caverns area 2, how long until I finish the game?

also I didn't know the bfg could kill you lol

also also I'm looking in the caverns and I see a jackhammer and am wondering why they didn't make it a usable weapon

[nimble wren]

you're almost done

[fervent crest]

ok, thank you

[scenic stratus]

forgot where i am

2 maps after the big electric demon

the generator level thing

[honest lynx]

Roe where you shoot those electric generators?

[dusk rampart]

What to play first, the BFG Division or the original?

[fervent crest]

original

also how do I access console on the bfg edition?

nvm I got it

[dusk rampart]

Why is that?

[fervent crest]

well see you have to beat the game on veteran to play it on nightmare

but I just beat the original game on veteran and unlocked nightmare on that one

and I didn't really wanna have to do it a second time to play nightmare on the bfg edition

but I don't think it'll even work since the bfg edition disables achievements when the console is activated

[coral solstice]

@dusk rampart BFG Edition makes it too easy and cuts out some areas

You also can’t skip the cutscenes and it’s incompatible with regular Doom 3’s mods

[rancid bobcat]

Just get doom 3 (original) on steam and use dhewm3 source port

BFG redesigned the flashlight and

Overfeeds ammo

Which was never a problem in the original, its not System Shock 2

And it makes the latter half of RoE a complete joke as you keep using the artifact to steamroll demons

I guess BFG ed is like the more fun Doom 3 in a power fantasy sort of way

Also if you realllllllly want the BFG ed then the “doom 3” on bethesda.net client might be the better deal

Its a cheaper “Doom 3 BFG Edition” that doesn’t have the terrible Doom 1-2 ports and multiplayer

[fervent crest]

wish I'd known that existed before I bought the bfg edition

[scenic stratus]

dont really need a source port for doom 3

i could just be saying this because dhewm 3 lags on my pc

[nimble wren]

dhewm3 scales the HUD properly for widescreen instead of stretching, like BFG edition

[scenic stratus]

im fine without a sourceport

[honest lynx]

I need to go hard and wrap up this nightmare run.. running out of time... cant believe it's already the 10th...

[rotund rapids]

What version of Doom 3 is better? BFG Edition or Standard with Resurrection Of Evil?

[coral solstice]

the latter, it's a better experience, has some more content, and has mods

[rotund rapids]

and doesn't BFG Edition add more ammo, mounted lights and easier demons?

[coral solstice]

yes

it even cuts out some areas

[wet gust]

BFG cucks the Bruiser

It makes me very sad

[coral solstice]

I don't think it fixes the shotgun and grenades either

it's a very terrible excuse for a remaster

[rotund rapids]

and Resurrection of Evil brings back the super shotgun

[wet gust]

It has a niche if you want Doom 3 but bright and faster paced

It also comes with Lost Mission if you care about a 90-minute-long level pack

[coral solstice]

(which I don't)

[wet gust]

I'd still recommend og any day though, especially if you can get some good mods running

[rotund rapids]

Doesn't the OG Xbox version contain Ultimate Doom, Doom 2 and Doom 3?

[wet gust]

Yeah, BFG does too

Not that they're great ways to play og Doom

Xbox has co-op though, which is kinda cool

[rotund rapids]

I didn't know that. A great way to play the og Doom is the GBA port

[wet gust]

Thats the optimal way to play

[rotund rapids]

fuck yeah

what are some good Doom 3 mods?

ive got OpenCoop

[coral solstice]

Classic Doom 3

it's a remake of KDITD

[rotund rapids]

ive been thinking of gettin doom 64 ex

even though that belongs more on the classic doom server

[coral solstice]

EX doesn't run that well on Windows 10, either wait for the new port or use Master Edition

[rotund rapids]

Shit

[scenic stratus]

Get retribution

[rotund rapids]

link?

[scenic stratus]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/doom-64-retribution

[rotund rapids]

thanks my guy

[coral solstice]

Retribution isn't as accurate, but ok

[left rose]

D64R still make Sgt. Mark IV, lil goreish buts okay

[coral solstice]

no, that's Brutal Doom 64

which is based on a GZDoom port of Kaiser's old and inaccurate Absolution TC for jDoom

[honest lynx]

Alright bros just got to sarge on my nightmare run. Need to nail those rockets and soul cube combo fast

[scenic stratus]

Retribution is mostly accurate, and is a lot more customizable, it's essentially an unofficial remaster. Has lots of bonus levels too including a bunch from the cancelled sequel

But yes if you want total accuracy EX is the way to go

[coral solstice]

no, I think the other episodes in Retribution were fanmade

they're taken from Kaiser's old Absolution TC

I actually tried it once, the FOV was nauseatingly low

[wet gust]

Retribution feels a little off compared to normal Doom 64 and EX, but its the easiest way to play the Absolution TC levels

Of course, the best 64 level pack is still Beta 64

[rotund basalt]

doom 3 is a глупая игра and nothing will change my mind uwu

[scenic burrow]

Ok

[rotund basalt]

although the story is rather neat. if i could play a doom 2 mod that implemented the story and edited maps, i'd definitely play that.

[boreal adder]

not everything has to be for everyone

[rotund basalt]

true that. i'm not one for chess, but there are plenty who are uwu

[honest lynx]

Commandos.. commandos everywhere https://imgur.com/a/Nf1kyH4

When they give you one of " these rooms "

[boreal adder]

oh antelope

[scenic stratus]

yeah those things jumpscare you a lot in both RoE and Lost Mission so whenever's there's a closed door or a long hallways, I just crouch walk and sure enough they appear

but the plasma gun melts them soon afterwards no problem

[scenic stratus]

like one in roe with hell knights and revenants at every corner :(

[carmine sonnet]

Lol during one of my playthroughs on that level an Archvile got stuck on a random box, it glitched and I couldn’t do anything about it so I had to restart from my last checkpoint.

I don’t what it is but old games are always fun to replay after a few years, you start noticing all these little bugs

[honest lynx]

That is the the part where the archy shows up thats why I kept looking up hahah... man the arch call tripped me out

[carmine sonnet]

Yeah same, I was looking around for it, once I was up on the ledge/catwalk I saw it just walking in place stuck in a constant loop

[honest lynx]

I just bfg noped that fool as soon as I could

[carmine sonnet]

Pfft nice

[fading summit]

anyone know why the final boss of lost mission is just the 2nd boss of normal doom 3?

[honest lynx]

No one knows for sure ..but I intend to find out... REBOOT

[carmine sonnet]

The Hell Guardian (2nd boss) in Doom 3 is probably my favorite boss, it was the only one where I had to actually think on how to defeat it.

Cuz of those weird soul things you needed to shoot or whatever

[honest lynx]

Squid souls that watch you and dont do anything... creepy man

[dark knot]

Oh, the watchers?
Fuck those things

[wispy totem]

Man, I remember when I was a little dude

Doom 3 scared the shit out of me

[fading summit]

doom 3's "scares" make me more angry then scared

i....

[wispy totem]

[fading summit]

a bot that hates swearing.....on a doom server....bruh

[fervent crest]

maggots are the worst thing in the entire doom franchise, so glad they were cut from any future instalment

[wispy totem]

Like I was saying.

I used to run like hell when I saw anything spooky.

Now all the spooky runs from me.

Aging is cool. If you cut out all the bills, work, and everything else.

[honest lynx]

"Assssshhhhaassssshaa" shotgun comes out.. awe shitttt... here we go again

[dark knot]

Ohhhh wwaaiit itts the doom 3 shotgunnn...
Fuuuck it were going innnn

[honest lynx]

Aim for the booty hole bro

[scenic stratus]

I don't get the shotgun hate, just shoot the face off

[steep sundial]

the shotgun is

far too weak

[dark knot]

No
It's rng is shit

[scenic stratus]

Don't care, shoot faces

[steep sundial]

it feels too weak too, that's a bigger issue

[honest lynx]

But the ssg is stuff of dream as always

[scenic stratus]

Can't have RNG if I'm in it's throat

[nimble wren]

the spread is too much
falloff might be too steep as well

[steep sundial]

the weapon design in Doom 3 was the weakest of the series, it had a serious case of "mid-2000s shitty big-crosshaired fps weapon disease"

[scenic stratus]

It was a time of learning

[steep sundial]

if they added more kick to the shotgun, it would be great

[nimble wren]

Half-Life has a better shotgun than it
Doom 3's shotgun is the most videogamey shotgun ever

[honest lynx]

The plasma gun is probably the strongest plasma weapon the series I think

You have fear going into a room .. but if you have that plasma gun In your hand its cut in half at least

[dark knot]

Fear?

[honest lynx]

Exactly

[dark knot]

The fuck?
I only typed one word

[honest lynx]

Vega man

[dark knot]

Legit triggered

[honest lynx]

Just switch the words to pee pee and poo poo

[dark knot]

Hm
Not bad
Not bad at all

[umbral mango]

I will start Doom 3 tomorrow, any advices?

[honest lynx]

Dont flinch

[carmine sonnet]

Yeah it’ll probably scare the crap out of you the first play through

[honest lynx]

When you open doors do it slightly to the left

[dark knot]

Shove the shotgun up a demons ass to work the shotguns magic

[carmine sonnet]

Oh yeah when a demon is about to spawn just walk towards the glowy spawn circle and wait for it with the shotgun, easy one shot

[dark knot]

In other words
Play wack a mole, but 30% of the time it's a rubber chicken

[carmine sonnet]

Y’know my biggest complaint with this game, is the weak boss fights.

[honest lynx]

Also asshanassha sound means bad stuff happening

[carmine sonnet]

Yes

[dark knot]

Especially in harder difficulties

Oh
And if you hear a deep voice going
Hheeuuhehhhueueehhhueueuhh
It's a cacodemon

[carmine sonnet]

Man out of all the demons in that game, Cacodemon has the worst path finding

[umbral mango]

Alright

[honest lynx]

Also stay away from dead eye looking scientists that say you'll get your product

[dark knot]

Aka
Emperor palpitine

[umbral mango]

That's the jedi way

[carmine sonnet]

Ok so basically: If you’re gonna use the shotgun you need to get close and personal, go off to the side when opening doors because the game loves to put pouncing imps right behind them, and check behind you once and a while, game likes to play cheap and spawn things behind you

[umbral mango]

Got it

[dark knot]

Oh, and the chaingun will be your best friend
Or the plasma rifle
Pick your poison

[carmine sonnet]

^

[umbral mango]

What do you mean with poison?

[honest lynx]

use grenades if you hate yourself

[umbral mango]

Can you guys be more specific?

[carmine sonnet]

I use grenades for those nasty baby things, I hate them so much

[honest lynx]

Machine gun works best for the babies

[carmine sonnet]

Well, it’s a pretty slow paced game till the end. Don’t be afraid to just run and gun, game doesn’t expect you to do that

Lol

[dark knot]

Wtf

[honest lynx]

Sweaty nightmare https://imgur.com/a/APFPapa

It's not slow if you play nightmare mode

[dark knot]

Oh I'm sure
It doesn't look slow

[carmine sonnet]

Yeah...Doom 3 is the only Doom game I haven’t played nightmare on

[dark knot]

Same

[honest lynx]

Basically one shot kills you so you're taking adrenaline Into the veins straight

[carmine sonnet]

Ok yeah, I actually have a question about that. What does adrenaline do for you in the game? I’ve been playing the game for years and I still can’t determine the difference from when I have it and don’t

[pure wagon]

Infinite stamina/sprint for a minute

[carmine sonnet]

Ah, alright thanks

[scenic stratus]

||dragon betruger is roe's final boss, right?||

[coral solstice]

||yeah||

[scenic stratus]

||well hes a pain||

||wtf even was that ending||

[charred fox]

Lol ikr

I think about that ending a lot

[scenic stratus]

wtf happened

||"welcome home"|| what???

[charred fox]

Oh yeah I don’t even know what that implied

[scenic stratus]

earth?

[charred fox]

||Wasnt it like a black screen||

[scenic stratus]

||white on the original, but yes||

[charred fox]

||I guess they didn’t bother animating anything||

oop

[scenic stratus]

oopsie doopsie

[honest lynx]

Legit thought I got ate ... but cool guess I'm home now

[charred fox]

ikr

[scenic stratus]

||the death of dragon betruger was lazy too||

||such a rushed ending||

[charred fox]

Turns out all betruger wanted the whole time ||was to eat some food||

[scenic stratus]

y e s

[honest lynx]

Beating betruger in a game of chess so his superitory complex was destroyed would be better

[charred fox]

||Or maybe he choked on his dumb fuckin mouth face||

[scenic stratus]

did you mean chess lol?

[honest lynx]

No I meant cheese

[scenic stratus]

im flattered

[charred fox]

Lol

[scenic stratus]

i looked up the fight on bfg edition just to see if they bothered to make that better

nope, fight looks easier and ending is the same

[honest lynx]

Picture this betruger as a slug on a rock... but you have to go threw 150 imps and wraths... when you get to him he cries before you step on him

[scenic stratus]

salt him*

[honest lynx]

^ yes !!

Better ending

[scenic stratus]

roe but the artifact is just a salt shaker

and all the demons are slugs

[honest lynx]

No demons but delta just discovered an insane Martian psychedelic.... you killed everyone on base because you were tripping out about demons

[scenic stratus]

DOOM 3: Resurrection of Slug

[fervent crest]

Ok one thing I was confused by with Roe

If the marine you play in Doom 3 is Doom Guy

Who tf is the guy in Roe

[honest lynx]

Hes not doom guy hes just a marine

[scenic stratus]

marine 2919

idfk

[honest lynx]

Guys legit having a panic attack at the end of the game

Sitting on the floor

[scenic stratus]

that made me chuckle

fuck i already have a theory

whatever i will waste time fleshing it out tomorrow

[honest lynx]

They could have made doom 3 like a primitive prequel doom where they first discovered hell if they didnt decide to make all the games in the 2100s......

Uac Mars testing 2097.... yes please

[scenic stratus]

but doom 3 is a reboot

it is its own timeline

[honest lynx]

Yeah I'm just saying they could have fit it in if they changed the time it happened

[scenic stratus]

yep

they could

maybe even have it take place after the events of final doom

[charred fox]

Doomguy in roe is kinda a psychopath in a way but I love him

[scenic stratus]

souls souls

[charred fox]

*twitchy hands *

Also he gives everyone this cold irritated stare like his eyelids got burnt off

[scenic stratus]

he kills his entire team (not on purpose)

[charred fox]

Oh shit yeah

[honest lynx]

The guy eats the souls of the wounded ....

[charred fox]

He’s honestly fucked up

[scenic stratus]

i like how the artifact ages him physicallly just by touch

his face when he takes off the helmet prior to the artifact vs after the artifact puts child stars to shame.

[honest lynx]

Yo man... get a doctor... . Doom marine ... hold up.. I got something for that In my pocket

[charred fox]

Lool

Heart transplant except YOU go into the heart

[scenic stratus]

a fine addition to my collection

[honest lynx]

Mr stark... I don't feel so good

[charred fox]

Oh my god

[scenic stratus]

what if when thanos snapped they all went into roe marine's heart thing

[charred fox]

Hmmm

Roe guy had the real soul stone

It also coincidentally controls time

[scenic stratus]

yeah

[honest lynx]

A soul for a soul.... bye black widow.. you were my favorite.. said no kid ever

[charred fox]

Dam

[scenic stratus]

maybe there was a reason ||she jumped||

[charred fox]

Now that I think about it the artifact is basically the gauntlet

[scenic stratus]

a deeper reason

imagine being able to use soulcube and artifact

[charred fox]

Oh fuck

[honest lynx]

Wait.. boys ... the soulcube.. the heart of hell, the crucible... we re on to something

[charred fox]

And the 64 artifacts

Combine them all and you get the ultra doomguy

Which is probably exactly the same

[honest lynx]

We re about to get deleted. We cracked the code

[charred fox]

Yeah major eternal spoilers smh

Oh fick we also forgot the doom 3 flashligjt

[honest lynx]

Cheese wants no part of this smart man

[charred fox]

That thing vaporizes anything

Yeah

[rotund basalt]

as much as i clown on 3, there are things about it i can't knock. seriously,
great music, good story, decent character model, the bfg looks good, and for the genre it set out to be, it really maintained it's atmosphere and tone rather well.

[scenic stratus]

It's seriously a blast in it's own way.

[rotund basalt]

kinda like 2005's doom. for a doom movie, it was awful, but it was decent on it's own merits.
in 3's case, it was meh as a doom game, and great on it's own merits.

[carmine sonnet]

It’s a great game in itself, as a Doom Game is alright, as an action-horror game it excels

[rotund basalt]

^^^

and honestly, i haven't played it that much, i've only seen it played. is there a decent ps4 port?

that's why i never speak about how it plays, honestly

[scenic stratus]

BFG Edition is available on everything now, but I'm an OG Xbox player.

[rotund basalt]

i kinda wanna see them rework 3 with 2020's updated graphics, music, and dialogue. i think it would definitely revitalize it a bit.

[proven zodiac]

DOOM 3 HD

Make it happen

[rotund basalt]

hd doom
hd ⬇️
doom ⬆️
hdoo-NO

[scenic stratus]

I'm pretty sure BFG edition was the remaster.
Remaster the remaster to be like the original and I'm totally in

[rancid bobcat]

There are source ports for Bfg that re-enable the flashlight, not sure about ammo tho

[scenic burrow]

Doom 3 is a masterpiece

[scenic stratus]

Facts

[scenic burrow]

And so are classic doom, doom 2 , and doom 2016 and ofc doom 64.

Am i right bois?

[scenic stratus]

[scenic burrow]

[charred fox]

yeap

[honest lynx]

#bringbacktherelics

[rotund rapids]

[proven zodiac]

HDOOM

But an HD doom trilogy would be fucking sick

[scenic stratus]

Gimme Doom 3 in VR and now we're cooking.

[proven zodiac]

Doom 1 and 2 in VR

[scenic stratus]

All of em, I want it all

[proven zodiac]

VR HDOOM

[scenic stratus]

Doom 3D

It would be a 3ds exclusive though, sorry guys

[honest lynx]

I'd love to get a heart attack on doom 3 vr when that bathroom scene happens

[dark knot]

Vr doom 1 and 2?
I think it could work, but itd be a bit disorienting

[coral solstice]

continuing from what I was saying in #doom-eternal , I find it hilarious that Doomslayer had to get powers from the Seraphim to do what he does while Doom 3 Doomguy could probably do all of that just because

of course, classic Doomguy could also do it just because, but Doom 3 Doomguy had to put up with the shittiest shotgun in existence so that makes it even more amazing

[dark knot]

As og doom guy had a sniper shotgun

[coral solstice]

the cutscenes also showed him being pretty terrified, but he quickly didn't care

even without the Soul Cube he kicked serious ass

and while classic Doomguy was on Mars for quite a while before being sent to Phobos along with his squad, it was the first day on the job for Doom 3 Doomguy

I kinda feel like the engineer from ROE had somewhat of an advantage due to the SSG and how goddamn powerful the Artifact was at max power

[scenic stratus]

Doom 3 VR is already a thing

[coral solstice]

Doom 3 Doomguy didn't even have a helmet unlike the other marines

his armor was also practically useless in absorbing damage

but he didn't give a fuck or two

[scenic stratus]

There's also unofficial VR for doom 1 and 2, quake 1 has it too.

[coral solstice]

no one even questioned his badassery

he literally just can kick that much ass

there's no reason how or why, he just can

[scenic burrow]

Isnt there a doom 3 vr version made by carmack?

[coral solstice]

yeah, it's in BFG Edition

[scenic burrow]

Cool

[proven zodiac]

Doom 3 marine is a king

[honest lynx]

Nothing some good old fashioned therapy cant fix

[scenic stratus]

i bought bfg edition a while ago, if i had a vr that would be awesome!

dont worry im not a heretic, i play the 2004 version :)

[honest lynx]

You were supposed to bring balance to the force cheese !!!

[scenic stratus]

OG Xbox only!

I just like the sprint button better than the thumbstick click

Hell yeah, og Xbox port is the best console port

[honest lynx]

Now use the og xbox controller too

[scenic stratus]

Ok, love that controller, my hands are big

[honest lynx]

Bro that's why I have baboon thumbs now giving me an evolutionary advantage

[little raven]

Just got to the part where the game realized where it’s not scary and decides to be fun

[scenic stratus]

Having an exclusive run button makes the game significantly better, I hate thumbstick running for BFG Ed

[carmine sonnet]

Yeah the last part of the game is the best imo, besides the Cyberdemon Boss, kind of lacking in a lot of ways

[scenic stratus]

is lost mission worth playing? theres a mod for classic 2004 doom 3 that i have, but should i even bother?

Play everything

Become DOOM

[fervent crest]

Hey if I beat BFG edition on veteran with god mode will I unlock nightmare?

I really don't wanna replay Doom 3 veteran to unlock nightmare a second time

I just beat Doom 3 a few days ago

[carmine sonnet]

Nice, also pretty sure it unlocks after you play it through in Veteran. I haven’t played in a while so I’m not entirely sure, if memory serves me right though, it should

[honest lynx]

Nightmare is amazing. It's worth it

Yes it does

[carmine sonnet]

Nightmare actually turns Doom 3 into a Doom game

[fervent crest]

But I mean I beat Veteran already on Doom 3 original

But now I gotta do it again on BFG

Does turning on Godmode prevent me from doing it?

[carmine sonnet]

Oh, whelp, yeah you’re gonna have to do it again...

Mmm not sure, sorry

I don’t use God Mode so

[fervent crest]

I'll try it and if it doesn't work then welp

[honest lynx]

If you want to cheese it you can play on marine and that will still unlock nightmare

[fervent crest]

I see

[nimble wren]

merely opening the console disables achievements for the savegame

[fervent crest]

But does the nightmare unlock work off achievements

It didn't seem to in the original

Unless I missed the achievement

[scenic stratus]

idk

[honest lynx]

I've never done it but I suspect strongly that using godmode will stop you from unlocking nightmare

[scenic stratus]

i dont play bfg

[fervent crest]

I'll probably just cheese it with marine then

[scenic stratus]

veteran

[honest lynx]

That's probably best. Just use the plasma gun when you get it and you're set

[scenic stratus]

plasma gun is the best

in the franchise

[fervent crest]

I wanna to a complete franchise nightmare run, starting with The Ultimate Doom and ending with Doom Eternal

But I didn't wanna have to beat Doom 3 twice

Oh well

[honest lynx]

That's what im doing. Just got passed sarge last night. Hopefully I finish up here before eternal

[fervent crest]

I'm gonna play Eternal before my run

Since I've only got 8 days to release

No way am I gonna beat 5 games on nightmare before then

Actually 10 if you count Final Doom, Master Levels for Doom II, both RoE versions and the lost missions

But I just group those to Doom II, 3 and bfg

Not gonna beat BFG's Doom and Doom II though, no point

[honest lynx]

Nightmare teeth in master levels took me a week so yeah itll be a bit for sure

[fervent crest]

Actually I may just skip BFG save for lost missions

But to play them on nightmare I gotta beat Doom 3 BFG

Dammit

[honest lynx]

I did nightmare lost missions first to change it up you should try that

[fervent crest]

Wdym

Play them before Doom 3?

[scenic stratus]

Play Doom 3 Xbox instead

Ammo is for suckers anyway

Flashlight%

[honest lynx]

Yeah I did lost missions first because I just wanted to change things up.

[fervent crest]

I need an xbox to play it on xbox

Another reason to skip BFG, I don't wanna play RoE twice

[scenic stratus]

XBox version is best, you got this fam!

[fervent crest]

I don't have an xbox

[scenic stratus]

I don't suggest it because a specific cap is dying on em, but it does have specific multiplayer (if ya care)

BFG Edition is a great alt though! :D

Xbox version isnt the best, still good though

gotta buy roe for my xbox sometime

[fervent crest]

Is this xbox version available on the later xbox's?

If so then I could try it if I bought it

I just don't have an original xbox

[honest lynx]

I have my og x box still but lost all my wires when I moved which sucks

Bet it still runs like a dream

Solid I'll take a look

[scenic stratus]

playing doom 3 collectors edition on my xbox

[scenic stratus]

even just after the intro alone, i find the creativity used to give it more depths with the simpler map design (hardware limitations) is amazing.

honestly the intro is better on xbox, wow

[unborn mantle]

Doom 3 yeah!

[mystic nova]

Currently playing doom 3 on the switch! It's a decent port, but for the most part I like taking it on the go

[fervent crest]

if it's Doom 3 BFG you won't get the true Doom 3 experience

[rancid bobcat]

Still Doom 3 even if it overfeeds ammo

[stiff mirage]

If only bethesda gave out an option to switch to classic doom 3 in the new ports

well... id software not bethesda smh

[mystic nova]

They were never gonna win with doom 3, I remember when it came out and people whined about it being dark and hard and the flashlight being stupid, so they changed it and now people swoon for the original

[carmine sonnet]

That’s just it, no matter what you do, you can’t make everyone happy.

[rancid bobcat]

Flashlight is the aggravating ouroboros of game design

[strange haven]

Oh, I would love an option of "classic mode" in the BFG Edition, so we can all be happy

What annoys me isn't the ammo or the flashlight, but some small sections cutted and the minigames from ROE being replaced by Turkey puncher

[honest lynx]

I barely got doom 3 to run when it came out ..... but man was it worth it.

It was the best looking video I had ever seen. I remember thinking .. woah..

[stiff mirage]

it was still revolutionary when it came out

[scenic stratus]

Doom 2016 will always have a special place in my heart because it was my first game in the franchise but you can't tell me Doom 3 didn't have the best Hell... the crying, the torsos on the wall, the darkness

I wish they would have kept the same atmosphere in 2016, it just felt like another Mars like planet

[stiff mirage]

it was tryna be horror so ofc it worked well. and i dont think it wouldve fit doom 4 very well

i do agree with how good it was

[scenic stratus]

What annoys me isn't the ammo or the flashlight, but some small sections cutted and the minigames from ROE being replaced by Turkey puncher
wait what? what sections got cut???

also how could they cut hellanoid

[rancid bobcat]

Yeah, its just copypasted turkey puncher everywhere

[boreal adder]

They cut some mechanics like the envirosuit, visual stuff like Delta Labs hell-phazing, and a large portion of the hell maps

Kinda eeverything that was good about ROE, in other words

[honest lynx]

When you activate the teleporter and a hell knight comes threw followed by an army of revenant in roe... good times

[scenic stratus]

how could they?

those things make roe better than normal doom 3

[honest lynx]

You've only got a pistol and 10 commandos come rushing towards you. What do you do ?

[boreal adder]

barrel

[scenic stratus]

Flashlight

[honest lynx]

Flashlight to beat yourself over the head.. it would be less aids

[scenic stratus]

crouch and flashlight their nuts, if its bfg edition then good luck

[boreal adder]

no they're actually the ones with the chainguns

[honest lynx]

Chaingun ones aren't bad. The rubber long arm commandos are the worst though

[mystic nova]

Speaking of which where do their helmets come from? The marine was bald headed going into it the transformation

[honest lynx]

Nazis in hell I'm guessing lolll

[boreal adder]

well it can probably be described as "chitinous"

[honest lynx]

Like a bug ?

[boreal adder]

or a fungus!

[honest lynx]

You know what.. bug fungus is exactly what I'm picturing

[main wolf]

Soul cubes

[boreal adder]

Mi-Go

[carmine sonnet]

When you fall for the storage locker numbered “666” twice...

[honest lynx]

Bahahahahaha.... man that imp legit made me fart. We should have known better

[carmine sonnet]

Lmao yeah, I realized my mistake as I looked up to see the number on the storage locker

[honest lynx]

I realized that last 1 second where my brain was like... well damn this is a very long storage locker

Then BAM

[boreal adder]

I just opened it the first time to see how it was going to attack me

[carmine sonnet]

Being curious in that game means punishment

[honest lynx]

Lost missions.. vent shaft.... you all know what I'm talking about...

[boreal adder]

Violet, you lost me... getting to kill an imp is punishment?

[carmine sonnet]

Lol, didn’t mean it like that. I mean, if you’re curious you get rewarded with a blackout and five enemies spawning behind you. Now I wouldn’t mind that if I could actually see the damn demons.

[honest lynx]

I dont know about you guys but I get Instantly hard when I hear me some enochian

[vital crag]

[steel nexus]

Spooky

[boreal adder]

you can still see them -- if you've got imps then their fireballs light them up like a sun in the looong interval before they throw them

to be honest I think more games should use their lighting as part of the challenge the way doom 3 did, instead of just for atmosphere -- I always found the dark to be another part of the fun

[carmine sonnet]

You make a good point, I just panic when I can barely see what’s going on lol

[honest lynx]

Sweaty nightmare https://imgur.com/a/APFPapa

The light from the imps are a god send

[boreal adder]

I mean there is also the fact that in certain ways I am basically more cat than person

[umbral mango]

What?

[honest lynx]

We all love you for it @boreal adder

[boreal adder]

well it's like I Sed, Red, the dark in Doom Three became a selling point to Mee

[umbral mango]

I'm confused

but intrigued

[honest lynx]

Could be mistaken but I believe it was the first game with actual dynamic lighting .. in which figures and fixtures all produced unique almost realistic patterns that you could identify as shadow and movement in the dark.

now days that's a staple in video games. But it was new when doom 3 came out. The imp fireball lights the imp up showing his posture and attack.. it was an indicator and eye candy

[carmine sonnet]

Some models, if rendered better, would look more detailed than some of Doom 16’s which is pretty impressive

The Hell Knight in Doom 3 has a lot of work put into it

[nimble wren]

you might be right about that
HL2 didn't have this kind of lighting when it came out
the projected texture flashlight wasn't added until Ep2, and it was backported to HL2 and Ep2
and even then it was limited to just the flashlight

newer Source games that use projected textures, such as Portal 2, still limit them to only one visible at a time

[honest lynx]

I'm lost on the name of it but I'm sure its obvious haha

HL2 was amazing, dont get me wrong. But the atmosphere .. the depth of doom 3. Its something I think I'll always hold up as a solid childhood memory

[fickle goblet]

I remember seeing a really good Doom 3 weapon pack for Gmod

and I think that's how I learn about the game

[honest lynx]

I remember being sad that I could barely make max Payne 2 run and doom 3 was just about to come out lollll

[boreal adder]

No Doom 3 wasn't the first... I remember way back in Descent 2 you could shoot out lights in the mines and the lighting would change accordingly
Doom 3 took the idea a lot farther than anyone had before

IIRC it's more like all light sources are dynamic, everything casts shadows

[carmine sonnet]

Doom 3 is revolutionary, it’s title doesn’t fit sadly.

[boreal adder]

and the environment and enemy "art" is built in such a way that it reacts in its own unique way to how it's being lit at the moment

[nimble wren]

if we're talking simply about dynamic lighting being possible, even HL1 had that
lights that can turn off, plus the flashlight being a dynamic omnidirectional light

[boreal adder]

yup

some of the stuff that Doom 3 did with lighting is fairly standard these days, but not all of it

I think lightmaps are still pretty popular, and that's a thing Doom 3 completely got rid of

[nimble wren]

it's all dynamic lighting?
or did they do baked lighting some other way

[boreal adder]

it's all dynamic

[scenic stratus]

still looks good today

[boreal adder]

and it effects the props, and characters and enemy models in a very convincing way

IIRC that was the big thing

[nimble wren]

how about brushes vs. models?
does Doom 3 still use brushes for the majority of its level geometry?

[honest lynx]

Dynamic means reaction to shape movement with npc and combat. It was no longer prerendered

[boreal adder]

I think in the case of Doom 3 it also meant that the npcs and objects reacted to the lighting -- so it was a two-way interaction

[honest lynx]

Exactly

Interaction

My bad

[boreal adder]

like for example you can have dynamic lighting where a flashlight or a weapon will light up a dark area, but a character model standing in that shadow still looks just as bright as they would standing outside in daylight

so the environment is dynamically lit but the npc isn't

Doom 3 in that situation would change the lighting on the npc too
that was the big difference as far as I know

and even in games these days you don't always see that

[carmine sonnet]

Mhm, although it is funny to find a few looked over bugs. There’s this one dead guy in a dark hallway and he’s as bright as can be. Though, the game still holds up, even with dated textures and modeling.

[boreal adder]

bugs will be buggy 🙂

[carmine sonnet]

Yeah, for a game nearly two decades old though, it’s pretty polished

[boreal adder]

personally I think the lighting is most of the reason the game still looks so good

[carmine sonnet]

Yeah

[boreal adder]

it's hard to point out the graininess of a texture when it's too dark to see it 😄

[little raven]

The lighting in 3 was dope

[carmine sonnet]

The skin mapping on some models is hilarious, but you can’t really notice it due to the lighting.

[honest lynx]

Just as an example my little nephew is not interested in classic doom ( although it is my first love ) but when I introduced him to doom three hes had no complaint and loves the atmosphere

[carmine sonnet]

It’s a great game, of course I prefer the other Doom entires when it comes to action, but it’s still a really fun and immersive experience

[honest lynx]

I think the cut scenes are dated but the game is just as immersive as it was back when I first played it

[carmine sonnet]

Agreed. Dr. Betruger’s face though, there’s a line segment right down the middle lol

[charred fox]

Lol ikr

[honest lynx]

We were thinking the same thing... just when the Intro occurs

[charred fox]

He’s plastic

[honest lynx]

You want your plastic brad ?... you ll get your plastic

[charred fox]

Yes

[boreal adder]

Brad Betruger

oh lol I'll do me one better

Dr Chad Betruger

[charred fox]

The Bradict

[boreal adder]

Braledict my foe!

[charred fox]

There we go

[honest lynx]

Brad ... you sent the signal didnt you ...

[charred fox]

WELL

I send many signals you’ll have to be more specific yes I sent the signal

Just kidding I also reloaded the save

[honest lynx]

Is it your first play through because I dont want to ruin it

[carmine sonnet]

What was the point of having that choice anyways-ohp yeah I don’t want to spoil anything for anyone

[honest lynx]

But optimus prime comes and saves you

[boreal adder]

I think the point was to show you that your choice didn't matter

[carmine sonnet]

It did a great job

[honest lynx]

I think it was the taste of hope .... they dangled that in your face the whole game

[charred fox]

I’ve gone through doom 3 many times but I’ve never sent the signal

Does it do anything lol

[carmine sonnet]

Doesn’t matter if you do or don’t

They all still die lmao

[boreal adder]

and it may have been a byproduct of a different idea entirely

[charred fox]

Whew

[carmine sonnet]

Yeah like there seemed to be a choice progression in the first half, then it was completely abandoned the rest of the way. May have potentially been alternate endings before they decided to scrap the idea??

[charred fox]

Hmmm

[boreal adder]

up until that point Sergeant Kelly was sort of presented as "well this is the guy who knows what to do" -- whichever way you choose in communications, the fact that you had to make a choice at all makes you question him and lose some faith in him

[honest lynx]

I talked about this before but man... they could have fit doom 3 in the lore if they made it in the 2080s... making it the 2100s just means it just cant happen in any of the doom games past and present... they messed that up

[boreal adder]

and that begins the process of setting up your fight with him much later

that's really the reason I think they did it

it's not about the choice at all, it's about Sabaoth

[charred fox]

Doom 3 has a weird continuity

[carmine sonnet]

Yeah Doom 3’s timeline is strange..it’s called Doom 3 but it’s not connected with Doom 2 or 64, it’s like an alternate version of Doom 1

[charred fox]

It’s really well made but iirc they hinted that the “true” humans were originally martians or something

[carmine sonnet]

Why did they call it three? Not sure

[charred fox]

Yeah ikr

[little raven]

For hype

[honest lynx]

Real 3d maybe

[charred fox]

Sales thing I guess

[carmine sonnet]

Lol maybe

[boreal adder]

I hate that. if humans were related to martians you wouldn't all be so tasty to us leopards!

[charred fox]

Yeah!!!

[honest lynx]

I mean the lore is all over the place but still Nintendo did it with zelda lol

[charred fox]

There was also a weird implication that doomguy was a Martian or something and he sealed demons away forever ago

[carmine sonnet]

In 3?

[charred fox]

Like they had a “doomslayer” idea even in 3

[honest lynx]

Yeah in roe haha

[charred fox]

You find his crypt too iirc

[boreal adder]

Brad means the tablets

[carmine sonnet]

Oh I barely remember roe

[charred fox]

Yeaah the tabs

[boreal adder]

haha, maybe the slayer in 2016/eternal is actually the martian!

[charred fox]

Oh my god

[carmine sonnet]

Mmm connection??

[honest lynx]

Mars is d nur?

[charred fox]

Now there’s a theory

[honest lynx]

Woah

Brad we did it again

[charred fox]

I know eternal had some weird tomb place in the middle of Mars when it got broken

Holy shit ikr

WELP doom 3 is canon

[boreal adder]

the betrayer of argent being the slayer was debunked I believe

[charred fox]

Yeah

[honest lynx]

That's not what were saying

[charred fox]

O yeah lol

[boreal adder]

without that theory there's no reason to believe he comes from Argent D'nur

[charred fox]

I never liked the betrayer theory

[boreal adder]

there's also no reason to think he doesn't, but it opens the whole thing up

[honest lynx]

But he fought for d nur after staying in hell he was recruited

After 64

[carmine sonnet]

64 is canon right?

[honest lynx]

Yeee

[carmine sonnet]

Thought so

[boreal adder]

I didn't like that theory either cause it kinda took the mystery out of the character
if there is a confirmed origin I'd like there to still be some room for interpretation

[carmine sonnet]

Ok things make more sense now

[boreal adder]

64 is canon to Doom 1/2

[carmine sonnet]

Doom Eternal will probably answer some of these questions

[honest lynx]

Well the extra 64 mission though..

Coming

[boreal adder]

oh it should. I just hope those answers raise more question

[carmine sonnet]

Exactly

[charred fox]

64 seems to becoming more and more canon by the minute

Especially since hugo said it’s his favorite one

[honest lynx]

I knew it a month ago when hugo kept bringing it up in an interview

[carmine sonnet]

Yeah I initially thought of it as a spin off or non canon entry but as theories went on, I began to think otherwise

[charred fox]

And yeah that 64 addon

Oh shit which interview?

Dude fuck it makes me happy

[carmine sonnet]

64 is the only Doom game I haven’t played, can’t wait to actually get it for free, hella nice

[honest lynx]

Noclip

[charred fox]

Yeee

O thanks

[boreal adder]

whether 2016 slayer is Doomguy from 1/2/64 is a question I don't see as that important.... 'cause it seems he's been in hell a lot longer than he ever was on earth or on mars
I don't think his experiences as that doomguy would have shaped who he is now, nearly as much as the intervening time between that and 2016

[carmine sonnet]

That’s a pretty long podcast though

[honest lynx]

Yeah my nerd ass watched it all

[carmine sonnet]

Same xd

[charred fox]

64 is one of my favorite doom games for sure but it really picks up once you get to hell

[honest lynx]

and he lights up talking about 64 so I was like ... damn

[boreal adder]

in a sense I don't think it really matters who he was before being trapped in hell because that person is essentially dead and has been for millenia

[carmine sonnet]

You make a fair point there

[honest lynx]

Oh hes not a man anymore

We agree

[boreal adder]

so I'd actually go as far to hope that he isn't the same person, that way Doomguy still has a chance to exist

[charred fox]

Tbh I think it shapes him into exactly who he is

Original doomguy started as just a dude with an overly zealous sense of morals

[boreal adder]

but that was the only information they ever gave you about your character

[honest lynx]

Maybe a vessel of anger at this point

[boreal adder]

and it was from before he went to hell

[charred fox]

That eventually snowballed into him defending the innocent civilians/scientists and then eventually fighting pure hell itself

I said eventually twice FUCK

[honest lynx]

Part of him still cares about earth I think

[boreal adder]

so the only thing we know about who doomguy is still isn't relevant after he came back

[carmine sonnet]

Ok which doom guy? There’s like 2 or 3...

[charred fox]

Then you add to the fact that doomslayer is essentially an epitome of every 4chan meme that surfaced about doomguy being so badass because they killed his rabbit

[boreal adder]

the things you did in that game were part of what shaped him -- but you have no information on what they shaped him into until several thousand years of hell later

[charred fox]

He’s basically an exaggerated doom marine

[carmine sonnet]

Poor daisy

[honest lynx]

I had a rabbit named maffy.. let me tell you .. losing her was the same as a dog or anything equivalent

[carmine sonnet]

:C

[charred fox]

Fuck man

[honest lynx]

So if John wick works ...

[boreal adder]

I believe it. an elderly tiger I got to know at a local zoo died a few years ago and I've not been the same since

[charred fox]

Sorry to hear it

[honest lynx]

Rabbit doesn't seem different to me

[carmine sonnet]

Awh

[charred fox]

Agh

Neb sorry if I ignored ur points

[carmine sonnet]

I wonder if we’ll ever get to meet Daisy in this new generation of Doom

[boreal adder]

I'll try to condense them...

[charred fox]

I guess doomguy’s “personality” revolves around what the player wants IE. Shoot bad things and get on with the story

[boreal adder]

the point I was making is that you only know the starting and ending points of his character

[honest lynx]

It was when I was 8 boys but thank you

[boreal adder]

"he was a marine who punched his CO"

"he is the SLAYER"

and the slayer is what he is now

[carmine sonnet]

@boreal adder True. Which makes the character all the more interesting. I mean, don’t you want to know why he’s the way he is?

[charred fox]

Yeah lol

[boreal adder]

but without knowing how he went from one to the other, he could have started as anything

[charred fox]

I guess I just think of him as a simple and relatable man but that might be because he doesn’t have much to his backstory

At the same time though I really don’t like stories that overjistify good-doings

[boreal adder]

I think that does a disservice to the doomguy because it doesn't develop on who he was, only on who the slayer is now

[honest lynx]

Dude .. my friends a huge halo fan... as long as they dont do that to doom slayer

[carmine sonnet]

Doom 3’s Marine goes by the same “punching his CO” backstory, it’s pretty one dimensional if I’m being honest

[charred fox]

I think they could flesh him out for sure but I do prefer his motives as literally “evil sucks, bunny is deadl

[honest lynx]

I think they were going for a maybe reboot ?

[boreal adder]

yeah the "evil sucks" thing is great, and it's why I want the slayer to be his own character

[charred fox]

That to me is way more admirable than “he hates demons because he needs to avenge his tarnished family bloodline and his fallen kingdom because he made a deal with the DEVIL....l

Like fuck man can’t a guy just hate demons for being bad

Oh yeah lol

[boreal adder]

after two thousand years in hell that personality doesn't need any more baggage than that statement

[charred fox]

Yesssss ikr

[boreal adder]

which means Slayer doesn't need doomguy

that's not to say he isn't

[charred fox]

Doh

[boreal adder]

just that, if he ever was, it means doomguy basically doesn't exist anymore

because the new personality doesn't need his to be what it is

[honest lynx]

What did I miss I went to take a pee pee

[boreal adder]

did you spray well? it's hard to tell anyone lives in your territory

[charred fox]

I know where you’re coming from but I have a feeling 16’s lore was in a way a very big bait and switch

The entire story is told from a terrified demon telling the tale of what seemed to be a reverse doomsday for hell itself, which caught the attention from scientists into thinking he was some big bad demon locked in a box

[boreal adder]

I'd just like to see it resolved in such a way that the original doomguy can also still exist

[charred fox]

But upon them opening it, they literally just described him as “a man and his space suit”

[boreal adder]

and to me that can only be as a separate person

[charred fox]

As if it really is just doomguy prancing around for millions of years

[boreal adder]

this time next week I'll be finding out!

'cuz it's midnight

[charred fox]

To me that was almost kind of a comedic reveal and I can’t see him as any other man but iunno

[boreal adder]

I LOVE debating weird philosophical stuff like this btw

[charred fox]

Yeah sorry man idk how much sense I’m making cause it’s late lol

[honest lynx]

I think they are the same person. I had the same thought... I wish they are the same guy!... as a wish... but the new mission on 64 and a same day release seals the coffin in my opinion

[charred fox]

Dude fuck I think about this stuff too much

Yeah

Even if they aren’t directly the same it’s undeniable to me that slayer is just a really exaggerated doomguy

Hyped up on 1000s of years

[boreal adder]

😄

[charred fox]

Also doom 3 is a good game

[boreal adder]

Doomslayer is a MARTIAN

[charred fox]

Dude sorry for blabbering

[boreal adder]

you heard it here first people!

[charred fox]

Actually yeah he’s a Martian

I was wrong

[boreal adder]

and now I must sleep XD

[charred fox]

Goodnight bro

[boreal adder]

goodnight, thanks for the fun discussion!

[charred fox]

Doom 3 chat is really damn comfy because of you lads

[honest lynx]

Woah.. did I take that big of a piss.. where did doom slayer pulled from another dimension become a Martian

[charred fox]

Love u bro

Yeap

We came to that conclusion

[honest lynx]

Love you too brad. Have sweet dreams of epic ownage of us destroying fools

[charred fox]

Oh my god yes

I WILL

The real intense part about that discussion was how my battery is on 1%

[boreal adder]

hahaha!

[honest lynx]

Muhahaha... I'm only using 1% of my power!!!! - brad

[charred fox]

Indeed

[acoustic kayak]

Indeed!

[charred fox]

But this is it for me

My time has come

Before I go I’d like to say doom 3 suit for eternal cause that shit is rad

[honest lynx]

Go back to doom 3.... shhhhh... I'm watching you

[charred fox]

Oh shit

Doom 3 chat may resume

Just kidding doom 64 is cool aight bye bro

[honest lynx]

Betruger did nothing wrong bye

[charred fox]

TRUE

[maiden kettle]

Doom 3 !!!!! Let’s destroy some demons lol

[little raven]

I call Betruger Emperor Palpatine

[boreal adder]

I call him Chad.

[coral solstice]

it saddens me how 3 had what's basically an all-star cast in terms of VAs and they all went uncredited

legends like Steve Blum, Cam Clarke, and Grey Griffin

all uncredited

it even had David Kaye

[charred fox]

Oh yeah lol

I only remember steve Blum being that one dying guy

[coral solstice]

it even had Daran Norris

and Phil LaMarr

there's no valid reason for them to go uncredited

[snow turtle]

Anyone here play deathmatch multiplayer?

[fallow ocean]

Anyone got a mod to make doom 3 guy keep his helmet on?

[scenic stratus]

THAT'S who that was, Steve Blum! That's been bugging me for months!

[fierce raven]

i got doom 3 on steam but multiplayer is so dead XD

[boreal adder]

which one dying guy?

[honest lynx]

It ain't about that multiplayer good sir

[scenic stratus]

I don't understand why people can't understand nor enjoy a linear single player campaign anymore... all anyone seems to care about is multiplayer multiplayer multiplayer

[boreal adder]

"how open is this world?"

[fierce raven]

im not overly worries about multiplayer i do put story as priority

[boreal adder]

"I want it to feel like a real world because I forgot I already had one of those"

[fierce raven]

but i like interacting with other players

[boreal adder]

so do I... hence discord

[fierce raven]

in game

[boreal adder]

I don't like team competitions, but I'm open to a game where I can just run around by myself and cause chaos

or fly around as it occasionally was

I will never get the people who are like "I want this game to be just like walking around outside"

'cause I've never needed a game for that
I love the outside

[honest lynx]

Never really been a multiplayer type guy. I just like to go into my own space and relax when I play games. Multiplayer is stressful for me so I try to avoid them these days

[wet gust]

I'd like to try Doom 3 mp

Experiencing a usable shotgun and exploring the little arenas would be interesting I think

[honest lynx]

It was okay back in the day. Played it when it released

[fierce raven]

i love the darkness of the maps and the different play styles that can be used

[honest lynx]

What play style do you like to use @fierce raven

[fierce raven]

stealth

i like hiding in the shadows

jumping out once the enemy passes to get then from behind

if i can shut down a generator or close windows on a map i do it consistently to keep my enemies in the dark

[honest lynx]

Well I mean what play style do you like to use in doom 3?

[fierce raven]

in singleplayer?

i try to do as much with the shotgun as i can lol

although recently i ran into a major issue

entity textures bugged out and every demon was invisible and i couldnt even see ny own hand texture or my guns

so i cant progress

im gonna try reinstalling

[honest lynx]

That's actually terrifying! Can you still see the imp fireball glows ?

[fierce raven]

yeah the fireball comes at me from thin air

[honest lynx]

Then that's where you have to shoot haha

[fierce raven]

yeah well

i like having something to look at otherwise its too late lol

i have to wait to get hit to know where to shoot

cant afford that

[carmine sonnet]

Wow that’s a major bug, have you tried restarting the game or creating a new save file? Might work.

Reinstalling would probably work too...

[scenic stratus]

are all the pk4 files there?

[scenic stratus]

doom 3 on xbox has full widescreen support

i mean the hud isnt stretched, its fully widescreen

[boreal adder]

YOWZA

[scenic stratus]

can we all agree Dhewm3 is the true BFG edition?

[little raven]

Just got to the part with the train wreck how much father till hell

[boreal adder]

oooh I love the monorail level

you've got delta 1-4 but that's actually 5 levels

delta labs is a high point for the game as well, don't worry

[carmine sonnet]

I’d say you’re about half way through, maybe a bit farther than that

[boreal adder]

I love delta 3 especially (which is the fourth level because math apparently works that way in 2145)

[little raven]

Bfg is in delta 2 right

Also 3rd person mode is hideous

[boreal adder]

bfg is in one part of delta 2, but I forget which level

probably the first one

if you get it keep in mind you're only gonna keep it till you go to hell

[faint snow]

resurrection of evil box art when

[wide scarab]

So I just played doom 3. Haven't beaten it but so far I love it

[fervent crest]

yeah it's a good game

didn't deserve the hate it got for a few years there

mainly its name is what screwed it over

[scenic crater]

any mods you guys can recommend for D3?

grabbing the absolute HD mod atm but would be nice to get a read of the room

[coral solstice]

Phobos

[scenic crater]

nevermind lol
just got out of a VR mod for it. jesus.

[scenic stratus]

most of the hate i saw for doom 3 came around the time doom (2016) released

I remember how blown away we were when we saw the first imp

[honest lynx]

The hates usually from people who didnt even bother playing over an hour in the game... or playing on a stupidly easy difficulty and cheesed right through it

[scenic stratus]

yeah, on veteran or nightmare the game is awesome

Its why I hate the BFG edition so much, it tries to make it more like the others with easier mechanics and more ammo, but instead made it worse

too easy

[honest lynx]

Trying to change the core of your game never ends well

[scenic stratus]

yep, i could care less about the lighting changes, but the ammo and flashlight situation doesnt bode well with me

[scenic stratus]

Agree. I still like it for being gorgeous and improving some stuff, but I'll stick to OG Xbox. I love having a dedicated run button

[little raven]

Just got to delta labs 1 bfg here I come

[honest lynx]

Time to yeet an archy

[scenic stratus]

yeah the delta labs sector 1 is when the game really starts to pick up

then you go to Delta Labs sector 4 which is easily the highlight

[honest lynx]

Loved it in roe as well

[scenic stratus]

I hated how the BFG edition removed the dimensional flux and the Hell arena

due to me being on PS4 I was never given a choice between that and the original

but there was like an island with green mist and you had to fight a bunch of Hell Knights and Mancubi until the portal came back on

[coral solstice]

yeah

one of the best parts of ROE

[scenic stratus]

like some of the changes I could understand like the textures, the models... things like that but why remove the coolest parts of the game

it didn't have to do with consoles because if so it wouldn't have been in the game to start with

[carmine sonnet]

They wanted to rush it out as soon as possible so they cut some things that would save them time.

[coral solstice]

I don't think BFG Edition even fixed the shotgun

[scenic stratus]

hahahaha nope

[nimble wren]

it did not
spread is still as wide as ever

[coral solstice]

all-in-all, it's a medicore-awful remaster that makes Doom 3 look worse than it actually is

[carmine sonnet]

I don’t think it’s that bad, on console at least.

But it is a downgrade

[scenic stratus]

I enjoyed it because I didn't know how much was changed but after watching the original gameplay I felt it was a little disappointing especially on the RoE side of things

[scenic stratus]

"hell arena" i played the 2004 original, what do you mean by that

[coral solstice]

the green part

[honest lynx]

Hell is actually freaky af... and I love it haha. Nailed the look for sure. You get that.. wish I wasnt here vibe

[scenic stratus]

shit i got to replay the hell level in roe, i dont remember a green part

wait the part with all the mancubi?

[coral solstice]

yeah

well, the green arena in the hell map

[scenic stratus]

so am i right? it has a bunch of pillars

[fallow ocean]

In your guy's opinion; If the SSG was in the vanilla DOOM 3 campaign, where would it be placed? As in, at what point does the player deserve it?

[scenic stratus]

delta labs maybe

replacing the bfg

[honest lynx]

I was thinking the tram but yeah

[scenic stratus]

the bfg for like 2 maps felt odd, earning it after beating sabbaoth feels much better

[fallow ocean]

What about, around the first mancubus? Does that seem fair?

[scenic stratus]

eh

[honest lynx]

I think on the train. The scientist holding on to it and when you come back to see hes dead you get it would be a cool spot

[carmine sonnet]

Kind of random comment here, but I honestly think the Mancubus in Doom 3 looks like a fat squid

Also agreed @honest lynx

[scenic stratus]

yeah

[fallow ocean]

So train seems best?

[scenic stratus]

i like that so when you go onto the train the second time after he dies its on the seat

[honest lynx]

Yeah that's what I was picturing bro

[scenic stratus]

or if you kill him first