So third worst
#doom-3
frigid token
I swear the sounds had a mental health impact i am sure of it
little raven
Plush you can’t unf the walls in 3
frigid token
I was not music
little raven
What the hell are you talking about
frigid token
it was hybrid goresona
d64
go listen too sounds no music as such
just horrifying compilation of sounds
little raven
3 doesn’t really have music either
frigid token
nah partially why i think i has ties more so with the 64 version
it has been done the same way
in that respect .
little raven
Don’t really know where 3 is in the timeline
frigid token
The beginning just another take on it
IT actually shows you more
by showing you how you got there
and a reason why ...
its just not the same base layout
scenic stratus
Doom 3 is the way id would've made the classics if they had the tech back then. That's literally a direct quote from the devs, you can go find that
frigid token
mars base in the original layout is far more spread out
multiple crater's etc for each part of the facility
miles apart .....
linked up by a massive monorail system
boreal adder
eeeh, I don't think "25 years" automatically means "bad"
it automatically means "25 years"
the bigshots of the game industry as a whole have been pumping out the same formulas for years now, not really caring whether it's fun so long as they can hype it and ride the hype's money. They need a wake up call
maybe that wakeup call is remembering how fun it was to make games 25 years ago
instead of how it looked to the shareholders -- who, I may add, are probably not gamers themselves. They're folks from back when it was easier to make a lot of money, investing that lot of money
personally I think Doom 3 was part of the last generation of games that were actually made first and foremost to be fun
for my money at least it succeeded in that but, so did many of the games before it
boreal adder
I see where you're coming from on that point, but I also won't care so long as I have fun playing it
frigid token
not in how it is rendered or drawn as such
it just looks like they added every taking old npc creature with all the old mechanics on some new tech so it moves faster
tacky
arcade tacky
arena style
boreal adder
if that's not for you it's not for you
as I literally just said in another channel, just 'cause it's not for you doesn't mean it's not for someone 😛
anyway, whatever else happens I think the industry as a whole needs the wakeup call that this game represents
and the bigger reason I'm excited for it is more about what might happen after
boreal adder
and no-one has the right to shame you for not playing it
frigid token
people do that
boreal adder
unfortunately
frigid token
man damn ...
boreal adder
that doesn't mean they're right
frigid token
I have my two cents and thats it
boreal adder
I honestly really like that expression, cause anyone's two cents are worth the same amount
scenic stratus
I won't be playing it either, it's not for me for lots of reasons
boreal adder
oh my gosh no wonder I'm getting sappy it's 11 pm
frigid token
nah mine are worth more i brought them from wargaming with gold coins
sorry had too
placid dagger
When you say that doom 3 is part of the last gen of games made firstly to be fun do you mean only within the realm of fps or gaming in general?
rancid bobcat
frigid token
It had the same effect as doom 64
the feeling stuck around alot longer then the game did
when i talk about the feeling i mean the at most fear
years later doom 64 still sticks too my mind
because of the sounds and art direction
doom 3 had the same effect
sounds and art direction
you won't remember tearing through doom 2016
But you will not forget losing your shit in doom 3
I have seen kids playing doom2016 like it was mario cart
i have yet too see a kid not lose his or her shit just trying too move through doom3
its the horror thing
coral solstice
64 had the perfect blend of horror and action for me
coral solstice
I really wish Eternal had that kind of mix in tone
frigid token
same
I want doom 64 remade
No wait don't what am i asking
leave it the fuck alone LOL
scenic stratus
little raven
There rerealing it so that’s enough
plush tiger
very late to this but "Doom 3 is the way id would've made the classics if they had the tech back then. That's literally a direct quote from the devs, you can go find that" is very true
It's more in line with the Alien/Aliens game they WANTED to make than the final clash of Aliens/DnD/Army of Darkness
Though what your thoughts on Doom 3 as a whole are vary
boreal adder
what I meant was for the industry as a whole. there are still games being made that the developers believe in and pour heart and soul into, but it was in the generation of games/consoles after Doom 3 that I think we started to see sequels that were made to be "last year's game with a new coat of paint"; and the whole AAA open-world, clone-of-what-made-money idea start to, not exist (I'm fairly sure they already had for quite some time), but to dominate the market a lot more
previously it seems like it was the games and studios making real innovations that were front and center -- at least looking back on it from the perspective of someone who was very young at the time
I feel like that was the point where "the formula" took center stage instead, and AAA games started to look a lot more similar to each other
the mentality today seems to be "try to appeal to as many people as possible" which usually means less effort put into any one aspect or mechanic, which results in games feeling very wide but shallow, instead of focusing on digging deeper into a core gameplay
and because each of those games is trying to do a bit of everything they all end up feeling like they're doing the same things
plush tiger
" that I think we started to see sequels that were made to be "last year's game with a new coat of paint";"
gaming has always been that way. look at the Mega Man series
signal halo
Well, change too much in the sequel and people will complain, change too little and people will complain. Its very difficult to find the balance
boreal adder
the whole sentence was not that those sequels started to exist, was that they became the mainstream
in a much larger way than they had been before
put it this way. half the time when I buy a new game nowadays, even if I've never played the franchise before, I still feel like I've played the game before
many of the games made by the biggest publishers, some of the same companies who were behind the innovating in the 90s and 2000s, feel like the only thought that went into them was market research. or not even that. some have found they can get away with making games that are easy to make but nobody wants by lying to their shareholders. who won't catch on because they're not gamers themselves. but then the company hypes the game up enough to the audience they already have that they make massive day 1 sales and don't need to pay attention to the backlash
basically the people holding the companies accountable are not the same people buying their product, so they don't get held accountable for the product itself, only for how much money it makes
sorry I'm ranting a bit... I've tried to trim it a little
I'll leave it at this... back around the time when Doom 3 and Half-Life 2 were the next big thing I think the industry as a whole was a lot more accepting of new ideas. Those two games at least were confident enough that they would make enough money that they took some risks, even if they might lose a little profit on those risks.
I don't see many risks being taken in AAA development these days. And if the industry then was like it was today, I don't think either of those games would have been made the way they were
signal halo
idk man, doom 2 was basically an expansion pack
boreal adder
yeah but it still introduced new stuff
half the open-world shooter games around these days have the same guns, the same enemies
signal halo
and its getting harder to innovate once the medium of gaming has matured
boreal adder
that doesn't mean you shouldn't try
nothing worth doing is worth doing because it's easy
signal halo
plenty of innovative games in indie scene though
boreal adder
that's very true!
signal halo
and stuff like prey
boreal adder
and lots that don't get attention
signal halo
id WAS indie in 90s
boreal adder
everybody kinda was
even if they had a publisher
you mean the 2017 Prey? that was REALLY something
the only game that year I think I finished
signal halo
but with bigger AAA games comes bigger cost so have minimize risks, its the same story with hollywood and superhero movies and sequels/reboots
boreal adder
that is true. but the publishers have been making boatloads more money than they're investing into the games. I think they can afford to lose a little more
signal halo
plus, im 34 years old so I get strong deja vu with every game I play
boreal adder
or they could donate it to me!
give me a really nice vacation to shut me up XD
anyway I think Doom Eternal is gonna give those publishers a boot up the arse
and a double barrel to the face 😛
'cause Doom '16 did take risks, and this one looks set to take more
signal halo
never even played newer doom games, modded 90s doom cannot be beaten
doom 16 just looks like a serious sam with smaller areas to me
I could like it if it wasnt called doom
boreal adder
I can't change your mind, I'll just tell you that looking at it doesn't give you nearly the same experience as being in it
most of the game is going on behind the player's eyes and you don't see that in footage
signal halo
but back to the ranting topic, it sounds like you need a break from gaming
boreal adder
kinda reminds me of when I learned to drive -- before then, I had seen people do it and imagined what that might feel like but I hadn't caught all the little skills, all the things they were doing, or what they were thinking while doing them
oh I am taking a break, more or less. I only really play indies and older games these days
focusing more on my music
the topic came about when I was discussing with someone why I thought being excited for Doom Eternal went beyond the game itself, and then I found a topic that I hadn't even realized I felt so strongly about :P
funny when that happens.
signal halo
I try to avoid reading anything about any unreleased game, too good many games to play anyways
boreal adder
I'm avoiding watching too much footage, cause of what I said, I don't think it gives an accurate idea of what it feels like to play a game like this. And I stay out of the actual channels for it.
but some anticipation can be tasty. letting your stomach rumble before a good meal can make it an even better meal
signal halo
yeah, its called foreplay
boreal adder
aaaaand yeah, I'm not so far gone enough not to know that, we can hate trying to sift through the trash all we want, but no matter what turn the industry takes next there will still be more trash
now, I've got an indie mod for an old game to play that I wrote music for!
(see how I put the three together?) 😄
signal halo
What game would it be?
placid dagger
doom 2016 feels nothing like serious sam imo, you can actually move and maneuver through the arenas with little to no back strafing or getting swarmed unless youre not mobile
signal halo
yes, but the gameplay (locked areas ) is more serious sam than classic doom
not that there is anything wrong with that
placid dagger
its certainly not the same as classic doom but i would still say its nothing like sam either, and afaik sam didnt invent locked arenas
signal halo
yeah, but popularized them, at least for me
placid dagger
still, beyond that commonality i cant really see the comparison myself
placid dagger
yeah i can see that, beyond the obvious gameplay differences it 2016 has a very similar flow as games like GoW, DMC or Bayonetta
also makes sense why i enjoyed 2016 so much when im also a huge fan of those games too
rancid bobcat
whereas Doom 3 feels like it wants to be Alone in Resident System Dark Shock Evil
charred fox
Yeah it has a lot of hack and slash elements if that makes any sense
rancid bobcat
but its stuck on an improved quake engine with cramped metal corridors
charred fox
I think doom 3 starts out survival horror esqe but it definitely turns into action horror later on
There’s a lot more dodging and reacting than what people give it credit for
placid dagger
ive yet to play through doom 3 but from what ive seen it definitely nails the atmosphere and crampedness well
placid dagger
also upon my recent replay of 2016 its really evident that it took alot of visual inspiration from 3, id say moreso than it took from the classic dooms even
charred fox
Yeah definitely in terms of the UAC
placid dagger
eternal is definitely going hard towards the full blown classic aesthetic now though
even hell, looking at 3's hell and it just looks like 2016 with the light turned off
charred fox
Eternal reminds me of a lotta doom games while being it’s own thing funnily enough
I WISH 16 was had a hell like 3 lol, would’ve been metal as fuck
Was had
placid dagger
im super happy that eternal is going to have so many new enemies and features, my biggest fear after 2016 was that id would play it safe and not introduce many new things after being praised for their "return to form"
charred fox
Yeah dude absolutely
I’m actually surprised how many people WISHED they played it safer
signal halo
weird to think of id returning to form, they have like no original employees left
charred fox
“Too many colors, doom should only be varied shades of red and orange aaaa”
They have a ton of fans as employees/devs now
placid dagger
yeah i think its clear the devs really love doom and id games and general, listening to hugo martin alone he sounds like a complete and utter fanboy
charred fox
Honestly I wouldn’t have it any other way man
The passion that resides still amazes me
Anyways doom 3 good
placid dagger
ill get to playing it soon, i just have a ton of other games i wanna run through first before i do
charred fox
That’s fine, only play it when you’re ready!
placid dagger
yeah, the main reason i havent yet is because im not a very big fan of horror/thriller (dont like getting my heart rate up like that) but that doesnt keep me from enjoying a good horror/thriller game or movie
hell, 2 of my favorite movies are alien and the thing
charred fox
Oh shit yeah I understand that completely
There’s a lot of games admittedly I’d rather watch than play lol
3 makes a lot of effort to spook your ass but it also gives you a ton of ammunition and it’s actually a triumphant feeling once you get good at killing demons
Like overcoming true evil
I almost wish 16 had more of a horror element to it but not necessarily in a jump scare type way
limpid phoenix
16’s horror peaked with that one zombie which jump scares you when you take the keycard from it
charred fox
Oh my god lol
limpid phoenix
I wish they would’ve made hell a little more hellish, and less like a floating mars
charred fox
blasted in the face immediately
limpid phoenix
But it looks like eternal solves that problem ten fold
charred fox
Yeah ikr
Hell in 16 was actually more mars like
And ironically mars was more hellish in a way
I don’t wanna shit on the art direction cause I love it but it’s more of a color problem I guess
And hell being really stoney
placid dagger
2016 is definitely a very orange game
limpid phoenix
Who would’ve thought Cheeto dust actually came from mars
placid dagger
another thing im glad eternal is changing up
hell even mars itself is looking more vibrant in eternal
charred fox
Hell yeah
People forget that doom 1 was a very colorful game
On the other hand doom 2 wasn’t so much
Ehh depends on the level I can’t remember lool
brittle notch
quick, i need an image of the guy saying welcome to the dungeon marine with subtitles
slim rose
@brittle notch http://prntscr.com/r3aggc
brittle notch
thank you my good man
slim rose
👍
charred fox
welcome to the dungeon marine
fallow ocean
“THE SEX DUNGEON”
Oh no marine run
charred fox
o no
frozen nova
hdoom3 tiem
fallow ocean
Oh god no
scenic stratus
y doom 3 look like doom 2016 but faster and more open and more bright
oops y doom 2016 look like doom 3 but faster and more open and more bright*
rancid bobcat
Different focus while borrowing art design from 3
Doom 3 was meant to be slower spoopy experience and then realized halfway it was bad at it
And come on Doom 3's plasma rifle and hellknights are hawt
scenic stratus
Doom 2016 barons are some nice hunky boys
slim rose
ikr, look at all that meat mmmmmmhttp://prntscr.com/r3k7hr @scenic stratus
scenic stratus
Nice carving, but there's a reason why I slay the baron last
slim rose
O certainly, super juicy
scenic stratus
Mhmm
frosty holly
When someone say to me "Doom 3 was sh*t": https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/bzsk6j2gjdw24nl/default_trigger.ogg
scenic stratus
Lol
tribal rock
So, I genuinely like DOOM 3. My primary issues are kinda simply
The lighting, and the damage you take/give
fervent crest
should I get Doom 3 or Doom bfg or both
tribal rock
BFG
fervent crest
been thinking both since they have their differences
tribal rock
Basic is unplayable
Well, it is with mods
Yeah
Sorta
It has an abysmal battery
Yeah
dawn jetty
BFG isn't that moddable if you care about mods.
dawn jetty
Also if you don't mind the Bethesda launcher I would find their version of Doom 3, it's the BFG version but without the repacks of Doom 1 and 2 (which are better played by buying the games themselves)
And a couple other things I think but the content is the same.
tribal rock
👍
dawn jetty
Also the Bethesda version should get you the red Classic Doomguy skin for Doom Eternal if you care about that sort of thing.
I don't think you can buy the base Doom 3 on Bethesda, probably only from Steam
fervent crest
I like the idea of the auto flashlight but from what I've gathered it takes away from the original game
like in the original you couldn't have flashlight and gun out
makes it more suspenseful I guess
dawn jetty
From what reviews I saw the Flaslight being on the shoulder is more convenient but takes away from the intention of horror in Doom 3
Doom 3 wasn't designed to be so action packed, so taking away the thing it was trying to focus on made it somewhat "worse", at least that's what I gleamed from the couple reviews I saw, I never got to play Doom 3 myself, going to do my first run before Eternal comes out.
I was going to say Resident Evil 4 but that was 2005.
fervent crest
and Halo 2
so yeah, didn't stand much chance against Halo 2 and Half-Life 2
but tbh I kinda like that Doom 3 is that one game that tries something different
sometimes I kinda wish there was a Halo game where I was like a marine, or civilian and it was a horror game that pit me against the flood
dawn jetty
I mean...if you want to be specific most games tried to be something different.
fervent crest
I meant different genre
frozen nova
Doom 3 was rarely so dark you couldnt see anything
RoE was a different matter though
fervent crest
Doom 3 tried to be more on the horror shooter side
rather than use the formula laid out by the other Doom's
dawn jetty
jUsT tUrN uP yOuR mOnItEr bRiGhTnEeS /s
fervent crest
I think Doom 3 didn't do as well as it could of because it was made to be a sequel (or isn't it actually a prequel? or did I get that wrong) to the original games
dawn jetty
I thought it was it's own universe?
dawn jetty
Doom timelines I think have always been inconsistent on what is and what is not in the timelines.
Considering how different the appearance of the Demons and all that are I treat it as it's own Universe and for now I consider the main timeline to go (Doom 1, 2, 64, 2016, Eternal)
But that's a whole can of worms and just personal canon.
fervent crest
yeah, although we don't know if we should place 2016 and Eternal before 1, 2 and 64 or after
from what I've gathered, since it's story is fairly standalone from the other doom games it very well could be before the originals as well as after
that even is if the originals take place in this universe
which they possibly could not as well
dawn jetty
They are possibly not in the same universe but I have a feeling like they are, it makes sense to me.
In the end of Doom 64 Doomguy stays behind in Hell to continue an eternal crusade against the Demons which so happens to be the backstory of the Slayer, fighting the forces of hell for a long time which I presume stops aging or something.
Of course I could be wrong but for now that's what I go with.
Doom 3 to me just seems too different to properly fit in with the rest of the games, although I do believe there is a multiverse in the Doom series so in a way I think all the Doom games are "canon" just not all takes place in the same "universe" and such.
fervent crest
Well, that's not entirely the backstory for the doom slayer. While not much is known about the Doom Slayer he was the General of the night sentinels and he made a deal with the demons to bring back his son, which they betrayed him and that's his main motivation for wiping them out.
Whether or not his decision to stay in hell was before or after he was betrayed is unknown (at least to me it is) but that still doesn't explain how he has a son if he was Doomguy
wait did doomguy have a son
🤔
point is, to me they have different reasons for staying in hell
dawn jetty
It's not actually implied that Doom Slayer is the guy who made the deal to bring back his son
That is just a common misreading of the lore
fervent crest
hmmm
I didn't know that, I know he isn't the betrayer, that title in theory belongs to the wretch or upgraded the slayer's armour
I say in theory because that in itself isn't 100% confirmed either
cerulean stratus
Doom Slayer could have a son?
rancid bobcat
Doom 3 was the original reboot
They denied ties to Doom 1 and 2
Its reinvention of 1
cerulean stratus
Wonder how the sex went, what being could handle that vicious beast?!
scenic stratus
Only the slayer himself can handle sex
So he had a kid with himself, only explanation
stiff slate
signal halo
Bible has a lot of incorrect things on it, like walking on water etc
scenic stratus
The Bible is science fiction and not an encyclopedia, don't try to put a mask of realism on it
scenic stratus
Ok edgy dude
frozen nova
there were four
fallow ocean
Playing some Doot 3 bois
scenic stratus
welcome to the dungeon marine
little raven
Wait is this really in the game
scenic stratus
Yes
versed estuary
Shît
scenic stratus
Just after coming back from hell
versed estuary
I’m still fresh. Gotta blast!
little raven
I changed my mind 3 is the best doom game
safe drift
My favorite doom 3 email is the one about... ahem Clone Erotica. totally not because I'm into that or anything
manic iron
We all seen civvies vid on doom 3?
coral solstice
yeah
languid void
I don't know if I'm stupid or not as I have never played through DOOM 3, but when I started my game, played a little bit, I got the flashlight, but it was mounted, even though I don't have the BFG edition. Do you unlock it later in the game more something?
charred fox
Could be a mod you didn’t know was installed
scenic stratus
i m confused about why doom 3 is still popular due to the critics of hearing it wasnt doom enough
plain parcel
@languid void what platform is it? I think on all of the recent ports they made the flashlight mounted across the board
versed estuary
Because people realize it’s a fun shooter and didn’t deserve the hate it got
scenic stratus
i see
charred fox
Doom 3 good game
scenic stratus
though cyberdemon and demons designs could be been better in my opinion
charred fox
I agree lol
plain parcel
I liked the second boss's design a lot. Cant remember what it was called
charred fox
Binky
versed estuary
Guardian. Fooking beautiful creature
scenic stratus
yes
charred fox
Oo yes
versed estuary
Easy as shit tho
plain parcel
Yeah the guardian looked badass
scenic stratus
guradian died though screech stab him in the face
rotund trench
Sarge is the easiest boss 
charred fox
Sarge cracks me up for some damn reason
rotund trench
he doesn't even have time to attack before you can kill him
versed estuary
Easiest boss. All the NPCs
charred fox
He literally drives around like Mario cart
scenic stratus
lol
charred fox
It’s amazing how he can round tight corners
scenic stratus
sarge ready to kill doom guy hell nah ka boom
signal halo
Does doom3 have any custom campaigns for it?
scenic stratus
my favorite pda email is the one from martian buddy advertising clone porn
charred fox
Wow
Why do I remember that
Wait is that an actual thing in the game lol I can’t find anything on it
manic iron
Yeah I remember that
Martian buddy were actually good guys tho if I remember
Iike they tred to help people and find out what Betruger was up to
rancid bobcat
And gave you free chaingun and bfg
manic iron
I will say
I prefer doom 3's explanation of why the chainsaw is on Mars Compared to doom 2016
signal halo
rancid bobcat
Wonder what he thinks of quake 2
signal halo
Or about rage
manic iron
Probably doesn't care about them
Tho quake 2 is Hella fun
Prefer it's gameplay and weapons over quake 1
signal halo
Did you know... That quake 2 was not supposed to be even called quake?
That's why it's so different
manic iron
Yeah I know
manic iron
It was gonna be called wor or something
But they put the quake name on it so it would sell better
signal halo
Yes
lunar obsidian
And now this is going far from d3 probably
signal halo
Quake 1 and 2 always felt like tech demos for me, especially in single player
manic iron
I still need to play resurrection of evil
signal halo
Doom 3? You mean doom 64?
signal halo
If the defining factor is fake vs real 3d
rancid bobcat
I used to not like RoE much but grew to it
manic iron
It looks way better than base doom 3 from what I've seen
proud tapir
Resurrection of Evil was great fun, it finally gave us a chance to fight Betrueger
scenic stratus
@signal halo yes there's custom campaigns for doom 3.
I'm pretty either they all or at least most only work with the original game though
signal halo
What are some of the good ones?
rancid bobcat
The Dark Mod it went standalone
scenic stratus
In hell is a pretty good one, and those ones they mentioned
frozen nova
in the xbax version of RoE
your flashlight was also your pistol
useful cuz RoE is even darker than the base game
scenic stratus
xbax
slim rose
its tiny!
boreal adder
oh come on I don't even see any duct tape
what did they stick it on with, a chainsaw?
slim rose
just some bfglue
boreal adder
...but wasn't that in the shipment that got confused?
slim rose
¯_(ツ)_/¯
coral solstice
it looks like a lil cig
frozen nova
flashlight almost could be slang for a cigar
civic stirrup
The archvile looks like it has a hairy coc and balls
versed estuary
But why
boreal adder
because the arch that you know is made out of wires
and even when he's right with you he's so far away
scenic stratus
Yeah RoE is better than base Doom 3
versed estuary
100%
Base doom 3 takes too long to become fast paced and feel like tru doom
RoE starts off much faster
dark knot
Doom 3 is fun, though the shotgun is one of the very few problems I have with it.
It's a doom game, you expect the shotgun to be good, but the spread is shit, though you still use it because your used to using the shotgun constantly in the previous dooms
fervent crest
if I get Doom 3 BFG edition I get Doom and Doom II along with it right?
dark knot
Mhm,
fervent crest
but are they moddable? I saw some of the biggest complaints about it being you can't mod them at all
been wondering if I should just buy BFG or if I should buy the classic collection with BFG
since the classic collection has Final Doom and Master Levels for Doom II
scenic stratus
doom 3 shotgun is a sin
dark knot
No you can't mod it,
scenic stratus
bfg is nonmoddable
dark knot
It is?
scenic stratus
i believe there is a source port that allows mod
just i dont believe too many mods were ever made
fervent crest
I think I'll just get both along with the Doom 3 og version since it's like $8
scenic stratus
it really is up to you, bfg tends to run smoother on newer devices while the og doom 3 has better atmosphere
fervent crest
I do want to play og doom 3 to get the initial feel of the game since I know bfg has a shoulder flashlight and whatnot
scenic stratus
yea og doom 3 is better paced
if it were up to me i would choose the original
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLxr2KyBhAY&t=44s youll need this if you want to run it in widescreen
I hated how the demons looked in Doom 3, they looked more like aliens than an evil demonic threat. I get it fits in with the theme of Doom 3 and it's alien backstory but it looks laughable
especially Archville lol
frozen nova
well technically they are aliens
they certainly arent humans or animals
and they arent from earth
scenic stratus
yeah I get that but in 1/2/64 they felt and looked like pure evil but this demons felt kind of lame to me in their design, but I did like the changes they did for the Hell Knights and the Cyberdemon
frozen nova
idk in the old dooms they looked cartoony
doom 3 i guess is a hard reverse of that
with Doom 4 being sort of a compromise
eternal leans closer to classics in some sense
fervent crest
I prefer not to think of the demons as aliens, since they're from hell and religiously demons have never been considered aliens
I mean technically they can be but I think of them as something different
like their own category ya know?
frozen nova
even doom 2 refers to them as aliens
fervent crest
-_-
suddenly Doom Annhilation makes a bit more sense with the demons being portrayed as aliens
haven't seen that movie btw likely never will
I just know that they made hell like some other planet or something and the demons aliens
dawn jetty
Then again realistically would hell and demons actually look how we think they look in media and what not?
fervent crest
no idea
dawn jetty
I feel like that if they were real they would probably be a lot more nightmarish then what we could comprehend.
frozen nova
well they dont exist, so they can look however the artist wants them to
fervent crest
but from my point of view we've only been fed information from one side of the spectrum
kinda like how in war people demonise the enemies
dawn jetty
That we know of
fervent crest
we've only ever been told demons are bad since all source of information of them comes simply from one side of the argument
making pretty much all of it biased in a way
but we can't dispute it simply from lack of knowledge of the other side
so while they may not act or look the way they're portrayed, they very well could be at the same time
so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
dawn jetty
Anything that might try to kill you is "bad" from one's own perspective.
Lets take Doom's universe for example, both Demons and Humans are bad in their own ways.
But for us the player the Demons are the badder ones because ya know
fervent crest
yes
I mean humanity fired the first shot by stealing hells energy
but then the demons harshly retaliated
making both sides almost as bad as each other
dawn jetty
Maybe humans and demons should of set up a trading system /s
fervent crest
but what do humans have to bargin with
are they just gonna go blackmail and be like "give us your energy and we won't send Doom Slayer at you"
dawn jetty
I mean, sacrifices like dead animal carcasses, not humans mind you just things like that I don't know.
Maybe we have materials the demons might want? Who knows maybe their in the oil business or something.
frozen nova
I know its been said a million times already but
the Doom 3 shotgun looks hilarious
such a chonky boi
dawn jetty
If I remember correctly there isn't many marines on Mars during Doom 3, mostly just security guys with only a few marines.
So it's probably that the shotgun in doom 3 is actually a weak gun in-universe
charred fox
Yeah lol they usually all have the smg
frozen nova
there were zero marines stationed on black mesa
yet the shotgun the security guards had was still some military grade shiet
charred fox
No wonder there’s so many shotgun shells lying around, no one wants to use it
dawn jetty
I mean different game universes that and the UAC has tended to be questionable since Doom 1.
charred fox
They’re quite the wacky bunch
dawn jetty
I mean there needs to be excuses to have games in the first place, if they were competent we wouldn't have Doom or any other game with these premises~
Plus it's a power fantasy to be "I'm the only competent person around here, I can survive anything cause I'm so bad ass"
charred fox
Dude I love that shit
I get people say that doom 3 is slower and you play as an average guy but it really does feel empowering with the shit the guy has to deal with
rancid bobcat
You say that they all have SMG and that the shotgun is weak in universe
Eh, uhhhhhhhh
HELLO?
Mars Sec Shotgunners!!
They are precise, they are absolutely DEADLY hitscanners!
Why can’t I just trade off my chrome dildo for their actual great shotgun
rancid bobcat
Or is it a curse and every shotgun Doom3guy picks up breaks in weird ways
charred fox
Haunted shells
dawn jetty
I mean game mechanics it might be a stronger shot gun true but it's probably just some Demon magic nonsense as well as the Demons presumably higher resistance to damage then humans.
rancid bobcat
And the fact they want to up the scare factor by making the shotgun unreliable
Which is uh
looks at awesome Resident Evil shotguns
looks at the rest of the Doom 3’s arsenal which is great
charred fox
yeap
rancid bobcat
Well okay the grenades are way too bouncy
rancid bobcat
Its like their material was made by Bounce Man from Mega Man 11
charred fox
Shit
It’s insane
There was one time I missed a demon with it though
It came back.
Like from a really good distance away
So it depends on how you use it
Aka deliberately throw it past demons and watch them get ass blasted
rancid bobcat
I wonder if there is someone who beat the game with just the flashlight
rancid bobcat
Surprised you can even use that as a weapon ||it sucks, fists deal more damage||
rancid bobcat
Yeah its the worst “weapon”
charred fox
Damn
rancid bobcat
In terms of damage output
charred fox
Most used weapon in the game and it’s weak
versed estuary
So best shotgun in any fps is the doom 3 one amirite guys ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
charred fox
charred fox
Oh shit
unique sky
Also I still need to get around to playing Doom 3
charred fox
It’s a gud game
versed estuary
YY pre nerfed striker
scenic stratus
fervent crest
huh
I bought Doom 3 BFG but it wasn't a steam code, the site has its own launcher
weird
still got it 70% off though
scenic stratus
What? The flashlight isn't the worst weapon. 1 flashlight hit is equivalent to 3-4 punches
fervent crest
yeah take my flashlight demon
coral solstice
I think it has shorter range tho
versed estuary
Flashlight> shotgun
frozen nova
flashlight does 40 damage
fist 20
shotgun does 13 X 14 minimum damage if all shots connect
which is insane
so if you want to tighten the spread best balance it out a bit
orchid frost
so a shotgun does a max damage output of 182, a little OP
o yea, it's Doom3 nevermind the pellets spread of that shotgun is obnoxious wide
scenic stratus
IKR... worst shotgun I've ever seen in a videogame. You have to all but be in a demon's face to attack in order to do a decent amount of damage. However, they did fix it by adding the super shotgun in RoE and Lost Mission
once I got that shotgun I just used it throughout both expansions insane OP
frozen nova
super shotgun does 20 X 16 damage
if all pellets connect of course
im still not sure whats a good way of balancing the shotgun in d3
I tried this:
10 pellets
16 damage
5 spread
seems to do the job but might also be op
manic iron
as civvie said
"you have to stick it up a demons nose"
lel
ah
well he's pretty good youtube dude
look him up, he does doom vids and older games usually
ye pretty much lmao
but the fun kinda boomer
broken trellis
Finished Doom 3 on Vet difficulty, was surprised I managed to finish it in under 10 hours to get the achievement, guess my days playing it on the original xbox payed off
broken trellis
Yeah even on Vet difficulty the only issue I ran into really was the chaingun commando's
scenic stratus
how do you dodge against the tentacle things... they seem to be unavoidable
they always hit you and it'sa nnoying
boreal adder
expect every door to have one, and start backpedaling
they... usually.... wait a split second before they jump
restive delta
Yeah you have to know where the imps are pretty much
At least you can use sprint going backwards, it helps a bit
little raven
The first half of doom 3 is so boring can’t wait to get to hell
versed estuary
That moment when a game is so boring u want to go to hell
slim rose
tbh every time I start the game I just wanna type in the command to go to the second half
versed estuary
If I want my fix I’ll just do RoE. Ssg and faster paced
versed estuary
Grabber is a gimmick imo. It’s cool but not too useful
frozen nova
it trivializes some enemies like imps
charred fox
It also deploys really fast compared to other weapons
It’s really fun whipping it out mid fireball
manic iron
I find it funny that doom 3 tried doing the Physics thing like half life 2
But at the same time doom 3 has fucking jank physics
nimble wren
what physics thing
strange haven
The Grabber, which was in the style of HL 2's Gravity gun.
coral solstice
except HL2's Gravity Gun didn't have a time limit
rancid bobcat
as if Doom 3 didn't rip off half life enough already
restive delta
I never got why there was such a big deal over "copying" it
After all, DOOM 3 was picking up barrels through a GUI interface, so it could already do the physics. They just needed the idea.
I haven't played HL2, but it's not like the grabber was some game changing mechanic in RoE anyway, just something to mess about with
frozen nova
it also kinda fucked up what little weapon balance there was
fun tho
posting this here too
dark knot
We need the flesh teleport as an emoji, that'd be sweet
boreal adder
YES
dark knot
We must have a soulcube emoji!
scenic stratus
@manic iron doom 3 has ok physics?
manic iron
I thinks it's physics are hilarious
manic iron
You shoot an imp with a rocket launcher and it goes fucking flying
scenic stratus
reminds me of killer bean
manic iron
Yeah
And he didn't even kno about fucking under the commando dudes tentacle attack
Lol
scenic stratus
lol
yeah "you cant dodge them"
just crouch and saw their nuts
I love games that give crouching a fucking use
doom 3 is pretty underrated ngl
Bethesda missed the chance of fixing some key issues with the ports to new consoles.
Like boss fights and some general enemy balance.
The game is indeed too easy at times.
yes
bosses are a joke
hell the final boss was the easiest part of the game
Yeah final boss is just bruh
especially considering who the final boss really is
I was genuinely confused when there wasnt a second phase
tbh all bosses are horrible there.
Vagary: has unavoidable attacks, so you basically just spray and pray that you kill her faster than she kills you.
Guardian: Can be instagibbed by BFG. And after the fix, you can still kill him the second time he spawns seekers. Way too easy.
Sabaoth: Soul Cube + 4 rockets... that's it.
Cyber Demon:... I am sure you can beat that one with your fists.
lol
Maledict is alright i guess. But Artifact also makes it too easy.
you need the cube
literally all that the bosses need are more hp
Well sure but like.. only use your fists to kill the demons that spawn in.
and maybe 1 new attack
im going to try that 1 sec
started the level
manic iron
I think the best game that made crouching useful is probably blood
scenic stratus
omg blood
manic iron
In fact I'm annoyed it's the only build engine game that makes crouching useful in combat
But anyway
scenic stratus
yep
scenic stratus
someone asked for offensive memes and i delivered
manic iron
Bruh
scenic stratus
ᴰᵒᵒᵐ³
manic iron
Oh damn yeah I was wondering where U went in civvies server
scenic stratus
yep
manic iron
That sucks dude
scenic stratus
gone reduced to atoms
manic iron
Oof
manic iron
Mood 3
scenic stratus
D00M³
ˢʰᶦᵗᵗʸ ˢʰᵒᵗᵍᵘⁿ³
Just wanna say blood is amazing
youre right 100%
Shotgun is good in Doom 3
manic iron
Blood is a game that gives you pure CBT and you still want to play
scenic stratus
^
i actually main the shotgun
but for a shotgun it falls flat
for a melee weapon? Y E S
scenic stratus
the chainsaw is just the ass-clapper 3000
Chainsaw is the ultimate suicide weapon
it doesnt deal with the tentacle losers as well
manic iron
Yeah but it does melt through imps better then the shotgun
scenic stratus
You can 1 tap an imp with shotgun from greater distance than Chainsaw tho.
Also you are 99% likely to get hit in return before the chainsaw does kill whoever you are using it on.
yeah
manic iron
I dunno
scenic stratus
i like the shotgun, its just kind of a meme so i go with it
manic iron
At times the shotgun just is a wonky piece of shit
manic iron
So is the torch lol
scenic stratus
bonk
you also acquire it in the same room with the one and only
Chainsaw does a ton of damage in 3. Don't be afraid to use it on anything lesser than a pinky
Yall don't use BFG on zombies?
Shame
dungeon welcoming man
The welcome to the dungeon marine line is so quotable at least imo
scenic stratus
Pretty sure you acquire shotgun before that.
And then you use his PC to open up the locker with the machinegun
i didnt know that one
anybody know if the martian buddy site is archived?
scenic stratus
so youre telling me martian buddy is gone but lego power miners site is archived
manic iron
Lmao
scenic stratus
nobody bothered to back it up
That site is definitely archived lol saw it just the other day
manic iron
That moment when Bionicle has all it's stupid mini games saved but doom 3 isn't
manic iron
It is?
scenic stratus
Easily second best Lego series after Bionicle
manic iron
Yeah power miners was great
manic iron
Lets move to general or something and flood the chat with legos
scenic stratus
Yep
wish offtopic wasnt sent to the shadow realm
I actually had the Titanium Command Rig when i was like 11 years old.
Sadly it did not survive to this day.
manic iron
Oof
manic iron
Neat
scenic stratus
I got the orange bionicle from Phantoka when i was 8 or something.
One day i will track them all down on second hand sites and collect them. They are too cool to be forgotten.
i love bionicle
scenic stratus
lmao
scenic stratus
there are civilians nearby, dont get excited and shoot any
manic iron
shoots every single one
frozen nova
reminds me of half life
scenic stratus
technically you are saving them
manic iron
They would have died anyway yeah
scenic stratus
me and a friend played half life and he had control of mouse and i had keyboard
all of the scientists died
doom 3 and half life have a really similar start and premise
manic iron
I mean half life and doom are pretty similar in terms of story
scenic stratus
i still like doom
imo, Doom 3 nailed it much better than HL2.
Did not really like HL2 at all.
Giving em a swift death instead of a hellish nightmarey one
half life is too linear
doom 3 had less of an effect but is sure was talked about more
doom 3 really wasnt panned as much until 2016's game came out (and that one kicks ass too)
manic iron
Well doom as a whole made a comeback
scenic stratus
yep
manic iron
It's way more important than half life
scenic stratus
Definitely the most epic comeback in gaming history.
definitely
Like.. you do not just revive a franchise 12 years after the last game which was a step in the wrong direction to begin with.
scenic stratus
hl2 has this effect though, even people who havent played it knows it exists. like nobody says that about Welcome to the dungeon, marine simulator
manic iron
It's VR game might flop
scenic stratus
i hope it does
everyone wants a hl3 and we get a vr game
HL2 is an overglorified tech demo tbh.
I never managed to finish it because i eventually got bored and got eye cancer from the game's color palet.
Everything has color of puke.. for real.
manic iron
It definitely won't make enough money since not alot of people can afford a VR set
scenic stratus
Esp that boat level which takes like 7 years to complete.
manic iron
Well to be fair
scenic stratus
i never got passed like map 3 on the first hl because bored and why would i try hl2
manic iron
Doom 3 was more of a Tech demo as well
frozen nova
Aryzon, i cant agree in the slightest sorry
scenic stratus
and RoE was doom 3 but like better
Eventually i just could not figure out where to go in HL1. So i gave up.
Every level i had to freaking spend at least 10 minutes figuring out where to go.
frozen nova
HL2 is a game full of setpiece moments
whether it be the airboat helicopterchase or raiding a maximum security prison with an army of giant alien ants
frozen nova
the bridge scene was my favorite part of the game
scenic stratus
WAY too long.
frozen nova
airboat was as long as it needed to be, and it was broken up with some on foot action as well
scenic stratus
Love every game mentioned here except the vr crap
LMAO no. It was clearly extended to unreasonable levels.
frozen nova
sorry I dont see it
scenic stratus
Same
It is like... imagine having to climb Argent Tower in Doom 2016 for 4 levels straight.
frozen nova
I beat that in one short session on my first time playing HL2
manic iron
I'd be down with that
scenic stratus
Not comparable to that tower level lol
At some point you just had enough. Esp how considering how repetitive the boat eventually felt.
manic iron
Argent tower would feel massive
frozen nova
airboat goes by pretty quickly, the part i feel dragged was the city battle at the end
nova prospekt had atmosphere like no other
manic iron
And oh boy raven town
frozen nova
ravenholm
frozen nova
again HL2 is a game full of setpiece moments
each chapter has something to show and go "tada"
maybe its a little dated today but it holds up imo
manic iron
Yeah and I like those kinds of fps games
frozen nova
I will say, it definitely holds up better than Doom 3 does
scenic stratus
gotta disagree
manic iron
I never really played half life 2 that much, but halo definitely was my fave set piece kinda shooter
frozen nova
unlike Doom 3, HL2 bothered to have a little variety
scenic stratus
Not sure what you mean with "holds up better"
i agree with that, all the maps look the same
Visually, Doom 3 is 2 parallel universes ahead of HL2.
I gotta put doom 3 above half life but both are great
scenic stratus
yees
we needed the hell section to last multiple maps
Yep
Would've been amazing
frozen nova
doom 3 didnt really get going until the second half of the game
manic iron
Well
scenic stratus
That is true to some degree.
scenic stratus
But the first part still kept me hooked enough to get to the good stuff.
frozen nova
level 15 I think is when Doom 3 kicked into gear
Delta labs
scenic stratus
Meanwhile in HL2, after i had to go through 74th sewer and shoot bugs that jump at me, i just had enough.
frozen nova
same with doom 3, but replace sewer with metal hallway
scenic stratus
True lol
manic iron
True
frozen nova
also you only go through sewers in route canal, there's many more parts to HL2
scenic stratus
Well at least metal hallways look better, have more variety than sewers, have more enemies for you to shoot at and your weapons are not actually airsoft guns.
manic iron
Hey now
frozen nova
there's the zombie infested town, the seaside roadtrip, the fucking bridge, the prison, the city, the citadel
scenic stratus
And Doom 3 is fkin scary.. keep that in mind.
manic iron
Let's not get into an angry nerd fight here
scenic stratus
It honestly sounds like you didn't really give half life a chance, like you just started out not liking it
manic iron
Yeah
scenic stratus
I did, trust me. Esp after some people told me how great it was.
frozen nova
its a good thing I like both Doom and half life, but Doom 3 was not up to snuff compared to HL2
nice lighting but thats about it
scenic stratus
I had no reason to dislike it before i went into it.
manic iron
For linear shooters I kinda prefer halo's way of doing it, but that's Just me
scenic stratus
cod definitely did help
manic iron
I mean Halo still has arena shooter elements
Map control, even starts, interesting tricks
scenic stratus
Having elements doesn't make it one.
it plays much differently for sure.
manic iron
Well yeah
scenic stratus
Now halo that I'm not a fan of haha
scenic stratus
It has been way too long since i played Halo. Might buy the MCC eventually on Steam and see how it holds up.
Exactly why I'm not a fan @manic iron
frozen nova
I tried Halo 1
liked the game to a point
manic iron
And those are fair reasons not to like Halo
scenic stratus
yeah halo is meh too
frozen nova
the library level was boredom incarnate
and by the time I was backtracking I started to feel down on the game
manic iron
Fuck the library
Halo has always had bad levels here and there
And that's one of em
manic iron
Yeah 10
frozen nova
combat was still pretty decent, and I liked the sheer size of some of the levels
also liked how they accommodate vehicles
manic iron
Hmm unreal and Halo are pretty similar I think
frozen nova
but halo 1 felt like it ran out of ideas by the midway point
and it wasnt a long game either
manic iron
I mean it had a pretty hellish development
frozen nova
somehow halo 2 felt worse in that regard
frozen nova
I havent tried halo 3, never got around to it
manic iron
Well once it comes to PC I guess you'll have the chance
frozen nova
by the time it was released I was playing other games
manic iron
Just a heads up it's pretty much just a shorter halo 1
And it's story is pretty much the same
frozen nova
well thats disappointing
manic iron
But it does have the best levels in the series
And 1 bad one
But it's gameplay is pretty fun I guess
Had alot of guns
frozen nova
there is something about halo 1 that still bothers me to this day
the part where youre introduced to the flood
frozen nova
no its not about that
that video recording you watch in that level
the one that teases the flood
ive played many games and seen many scripted sequences
manic iron
What's up with it?
frozen nova
that video was one of the most unnecessary things ive seen for a story moment in FPS campaign
frozen nova
I think it should have just happened ingame
like suddenly a ton of those bug things show up
like out of nowhere to surprise you
the video wasnt needed
frozen nova
the corpses already tell the story, we didnt need to see the video
but thats just me
also you couldnt skip it in the og pc port from what I can remember
manic iron
You can
frozen nova
or at least the version I had because I remember I tried to skip it and it didnt let me
manic iron
It's either the escape key
Or the space bar
Some cutscenes you can skip
Some you can
It's a little weird
frozen nova
but anyway thats just a little something I recall from halo 1 that still bothers me and Im not sure why
its like it feels out of place
like it was put in there for the dumdums
manic iron
I mean it's also the only first person cutscene as well
dawn jetty
The video would of been fine if they placed it after your first encounter with the Flood, I appreciate the video itself as a look into the Marines.
viral pebble
Is there a website that has the alpha demo for doom 3? The one they used in E3 2002?
viral pebble
I don’t know how to do that, I only play the OG doom 3 on my pc
fierce skiff
do i need to copy any doom 3 data, or something?
viral pebble
I don’t know how to do that 3:
devout pier
You can start with Microsoft's Visual Studio Community (is free for free projects or individual commercial use)
fierce skiff
i got VS 2010
devout pier
As for the data you have to make them on your own
viral pebble
My question still stands, but I’ll let y’all speak
fierce skiff
it didn't compile cuz it didn't find a win_snd.cpp file
Is there a website that has the alpha demo for doom 3? The one they used in E3 2002?
@viral pebble
https://hl2-beta.ru/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=184
try this
devout pier
A project file for Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 is provided in neo\doom.sln
Unfortunately, Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Express Edition (e.g. the free release)
will not be able to successfully compile the source, because 32 bit MFC is required.
You will need the Microsoft DirectX SDK installed as well.
If it does not reside in "C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft DirectX SDK (June 2010)"
you will need to update the project files accordingly.
Directly from the code's README
devout pier
You mean that ? https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=6812
You must download and install it if you haven't already
fierce skiff
where do i install the directx sdk so that the win_snd.cpp file detects it?
default?
devout pier
Yes
fierce skiff
so i launched the doom 3 thing and it launched into a console
last thing it said was to type help for dedicated server info
what do i do to get the menu and stuff working
nvm
just had to change from dedicated release to release
devout pier
First learn how the engine works (study source code long time), second use tools for content creation (Dark radiant for maps)
viral pebble
Thanks angery
slim rose
I only remember doom 3 pinky thing because the doom movie had the same one
frozen nova
slim rose
poor martian buddy
you used to be able to go to this site and it would show a code you can use
takes you to slayersclub now
viral pebble
A fictional website? Damn they went all out for doom 3
slim rose
mhm
slim rose
i suppose you can try that code above. But i really dunno
i mean in PDAs you will find codes
viral pebble
Ha I never read PDAs it has literal spam, too much of a hassle
slim rose
some of the codes are even in sound logs on pdas
viral pebble
Oh my god I have a chaingun
@slim rose Pffft yeah at the very end of the log
I am gonna tip and tear the shit out of them
versed estuary
Here if you really don’t want to read the pda emails or audio logs or post it notes or anything
versed estuary
I’m guilty of using this too. Listening to a 3 minute audio log and then a demon attacks me while it’s reading the code is always fun
Or that post it note I never happen to see
viral pebble
Lol yeh I love listening to logs and getting shotgunned
slim rose
the locker code is 1-2-screeee
versed estuary
Blah blah blah blah wife left me blah blah blah cleaning the vents blah blah blah noises. Blah blah. Oh yeah code is 78 RAWR shotgun grenade revenant pinky explosions
slim rose
lol
viral pebble
1 2- I smell fear freeze mortal! commando chaingun noise
Did they keep that line in the final version?
For the commando zombies i mean
slim rose
hmm?
viral pebble
In the alpha demo a commando zombie and a commando with a chaingun sees the doom marine and the first one says “I smell fear.” The other one fires his chaingun and says “freeze mortal!”
slim rose
i dnt remember that
slim rose
well this is interesting