Also does your pc meet the requirements for it
#doom-3
stuck lion
ashen phoenix
I didn't downloaded it ever
thick dome
versed estuary
Yeah no icon in doom 3
coral solstice
I think there's a map that recreates it tho
frozen nova
its not really very good
heady vortex
made it to the delta labs
frozen nova
have you died to the hell knights yet?
heady vortex
have not seen any yet. Doing 1 level per day till Doom Eternal
tommorrow is Delta Labs 2a
frozen nova
they have a pretty awesome intro
restive delta
Delta is pretty meaty
versed estuary
Hell knights are sum beefy bois
boreal adder
I preferred Arch-vile's introduction in Delta 2b. No cutscene, no fanfare, just leaves it up to you to recognize what you're fighting
one of the few moments that was actually a little scary
in an "oh shit" kinda way 😄
nimble wren
I redid that part a whole bunch of times before I was able to kill it with two rockets fast enough
boreal adder
I like that you can get them with the shotgun if the level lets you get close, you just need to be able to predict and dodge the fire attack
always saved my first BFG shot for that first one. The delta levels give you a good deal more ammo for it than you actually need to fight the hellknights
nimble wren
remember that one part towards the end of the game where an archvile and two hell knights all spawn in the same small room
that was brutal
it's very difficult to get through that without taking self-damage from the BFG
boreal adder
haha, yes. THAT level
hope you didn't incinerate your soul cube companion
and it just gets better from there
all the wraiths were a little bit tedious. they're not a threat if they just come one at a time, and you can't really speed up the fight
but then Betruger's a scientist, not a tactician, right? 😛
...and he's mad with power
never a good thing for one's judgement
nimble wren
there was that one bit earlier where like seven or eight wraiths spawned at once
too many teleporty bois
frozen nova
I remember I picked up an armor piece then the walls opened up and an entire stampede of enemies barrelled towards me
Man Doom 3 had thrills 2016 couldnt match
charred fox
16 had a problem of enemy interactions becoming kinda predictable
Doom 3 kinda has that sometimes though xd
But it’s more seamless
restive delta
Yeah that tiny room with the archy and HKs. They should have had more moments like that, rather than the predictable pick up a piece of armour and an imp spawns here, then there, then there, and you can get them as they spawn
Or imp is hiding behind every other door and closet
That was one of the good things about Hell - you have different areas with different enemies and hardly any closet traps
robust parcel
@stuck lion @restive delta I've tried verifying files .. and no, no error message of any kind at all .. just shows in running in the game list to the left and then nothing
frozen nova
If you enable weapon damage on the cyberdemon in doom 3, it tries to ragdoll but it gets confused and goes into a t-pose at the same time
fluid sorrel
Is there a way to play the original version of doom 3 on console? Or do I just have to look for it online for PC?
frozen nova
do you have an xbox?
fluid sorrel
Not anymore ><
frozen nova
well the only og doom 3 on console is the xbox port
fluid sorrel
Oh well. Guess I'll try and find the original for PC.
oak prism
The original Doom 3 can be found on Steam, so that should be good.
No Xbox emulators are around to play the Xbox port of Doom 3, however.
Yes, I know there is one but if we're talking about playing a good chunk of games, then no
nimble wren
Steam is the only place to get the original
Bethesda.net doesn't have the true original, just a BFG edition re-release with the same title and minus the classic games
fluid sorrel
Does Steams version mess up on windows ten like BFG?
nimble wren
BFG works fine on Win 10 for me
frozen nova
try dhewm3, a source port for Doom 3
though mods may not work
and you dont get lost mission
nimble wren
I heard that fixes the HUD/crosshair stretching
frozen nova
yes it does
nimble wren
why can't someone make a fix like that for RTCW
it's like the only thing iortcw does is widescreen support
frozen nova
lack of interest maybe
also note that Doom 3's source is really clean
lunar obsidian
Also. Is there any sourceports of Doom 3 engine?
frozen nova
which game?
I think only doom 3's source is open
lunar obsidian
I mean like Doom had GZDoom and others.
Actually dhewm3 is doom 3 sourceport
Also every game up until BFG has open source
frozen nova
Doom, Doom 2, Heretic, Hexen all released source code to public
Strife was reverse engineered
so thats why gzdoom can run all of them
GZDoom's code has bits from all of these games
the inventory system of heretic, the acs scripting of hexen, the conversation system of strife, etc
lunar obsidian
That was not what I asked and I already answered my question - dhwem3 is doom3 sourceport
try dhewm3, a source port for Doom 3
And you just answered that before my question
I just read diagonally sometimes xd
nimble wren
BFG has sourceports too
frozen nova
making the cyberdemon vulnerable to weapons is as easy as changing one single value
versed estuary
Cyber demon fight was the best boss fight I’ve ever had in any game
I walked in a circle. BFG an imp or 2, soul cube, repeat for 2 min
Man that was fun
frozen nova
yeah so basically I made a simple mod that makes the cyberdemon vulnerable to weapons but bump his health from 4000 to like 9000 or even more
pure wagon
Just Imps and Maggots was kinda dull for a final battle
There should have been progression-based waves, like Imps first, then Wraiths, then Cacos, then Hell Knights, then Mancubi
Something like that
They give you a fuckton of ammo, should have put it to use with mass numbers of tougher enemies every wave
I'm sure someone can go to a level editor and modify that level in what I described
scenic stratus
I agree
In particular the Cyberdemon does not chase you actively enough, meaning you're litterally only fighting his minions
mossy fulcrum
versed estuary
Making cyber demon hurtable with weapons sounds way more enjoyable than the actual fight
hollow snow
^^^^^^^
versed estuary
Besides the first rocket, it didn’t even fire at me
restive delta
Well it does kinda chase you, but it's so slow that so long as you just go back and forth on the opposite side of the hole, it's got no chance
It needed a faster movement and shooting speed
versed estuary
Chase is a bad word. More like, hovers awkwardly
charred fox
He’s like that one kid that sees a spider and doesn’t know what to do
faint snow
The gameplay of the original doom 3 is difficult when you have to manage switching flashlight and weapons
Flashlight = You can see the enemy but can't shoot
No flashlight = You can shoot but you can't see
It's annoyed me lol
ember sentinel
Yeah i was just talking about this, its much easier and more smooth with the BFG edition.
Less scary as well
faint snow
It tries to become a horror survival game but meh it doesn't scary
nimble wren
I agree with the flashlight thing
that's why I prefer the BFG edition
lunar obsidian
It's like sinusoidal function.
One day its guys who prefer BFG. Other day it's a guys who prefer original
versed estuary
Imma replay the game with “artificial flashlight only with pistol mode”
Because I do feel it was meant to be much scarier and daunting to think if you want to see you only have a pistol
frozen nova
the pistol in Doom 3 actually packs a punch
tropic nexus
doom 3 flashlight only run on nightmare.
restive delta
Having played a chunk of the BFG Edition now, I don't feel it's as bad as some people say it is
But then I'm not playing it like I would play originally, since I know where everything is
The mounted flashlight is nice in that sense, since you can just turn it on and leg it through a dark section
For a first playthrough though I don't think the BFG Edition gives the originally intended atmosphere
My biggest grip so far is that the sprint toggle can't be changed. I always preferred to hold sprint.
Though apparently the toggle doesn't work in Hell, which is the one place you really would prefer a toggle 
restive delta
Yeah pretty cool. And then in RoE you can grab lots of projectiles and throw them back
boreal adder
Didn't mind the original flashlight, I rarely found the game too dark to fight without it
And in the couple places where it was it was designed that way... not that made those two areas any better
As for "why didn't they have duct tape on Mars?"
Well, obviously, there was a mix up and they got shipped chainsaws instead :D
restive delta
Mixom shipped putty adhesive instead of tape
ember sentinel
Maybe im remembering it wrong (its been many years) but the OG Doom 3 was a lot darker and had a lot less ammo.
Im only an hour into BFG edition and already have hundreds of rounds of ammo
restive delta
Yeah the original is darker, but I don't feel like they've change the pitch black areas in the BFG Edition
Mainly that anything that has light is made brighter
I've not compared close enough to be honest, and I've only played a bit, so maybe it's more dramatic than it seems
And yes they increased the max capacity for weapons to the RoE level, and it feels like pick-ups might give more ammo too
ember sentinel
Im actually replaying through BFG and really enjoying it. Its super detailed for its time. Hearing all the dialogue for random NPC's, fighting on the comms and through walls, etc.
Its definitely not even as close to as scary, but i really appreciate they didnt hold back on the environmental gore.
restive delta
Oh and to me it feels like the ambient sounds have been balanced too loudly in the BFG Edition
faint owl
Wish there was a classic option in the bfg edition. Having a flashlight while firing ruins the game imo
restive delta
I remember monster sounds and voices being louder in the original. Again I would have to compare more closely
faint owl
Also another problem I had with doom 3 was the over abundance of ammo. Never felt like I was really in danger of running out
restive delta
Yeah it's not like you had to ammo manage much in vanilla either
ember sentinel
Well a lot of people disliked the survival horror aspects, so maybe they changed it for those people.
I remember OG Doom 3 being quite scary years ago
faint owl
Is there a way to tweek the game so the pick ups give you way less ammo and a small tweak the reduce the ammo pool. Is it possible?
torn saddle
I think the original version gave you less ammo then the bfg version
plush tiger
I had a real hesitation towards BFG edition for a long time
but honestly
it's the better version
ember sentinel
It depends what you prefer
Do you want scary, or more traditional doom experience
plush tiger
Sure you lose the atmosphere (wish the flashlight was an option) but the general changes to pace and control feels a lot more gamey
OG Doom 3 wants to be survival horror which sure, more power to that, but oh man some of those enemies are total bullshit
and some of the guns like the pistol and shotgun being like, borderline unusable don't help
charred fox
Hell yes
plush tiger
Lost Missions is like
anti-Doom 3
I played the whole thing constantly strafe-hopping and blasting everything in sight with the super shotty
restive delta
Are that actually any real control changes?
Apart from forced toggle for crouch and sprint, yet sprint doesn't toggle in Hell where you actually want it to toggle
versed estuary
RoE is the pace the campaign should have been
Much faster, much better, plus super shotgun
charred fox
Yeah roe does not mess around
restive delta
Are you sure that's not because you tweaked the field of view?
Not that I'm saying it must be - it could be a reason why I see all the speedruns on BFG these days
plush tiger
I'm definitely sure
restive delta
I'll have to go back and compare
It doesn't really feel that different to me
But it does feel like strafe running with sprint is easier in BFG
I don't remember it being that easy before
restive delta
Yeah and I figured it's probably not just placebo since speedrunners wouldn't prefer BFG if there wasn't an advantage
It just felt like normal speed probably wasn't much different, but maybe it is faster too
plush tiger
maybe walking is but sprinting totally is
restive delta
I have to say it is pretty fun just strafing through stuff you don't care about
Like that dark section in Alpha 2 or whichever it is, and you just strafe though leaving that guy in the dust
And imps are circling around the ladder at the end
plush tiger
As I said, that's why I think BFG might be the better game
restive delta
I still feel like for a first playthrough, vanilla gives you what is probably the intended atmosphere
But after that it's honestly more fun to play fast
Well for some people it's probably more fun to do that from the get-go, especially if they're used to fast paced shooters in general
boreal adder
I still prefer the original, but not so much that it really matters
and a big part of that was just how many good maps and mods there are to find
restive delta
Yeah there's a nice chunk of stuff to play on the original
boreal adder
I do think the original ROE was better than the BFG version, 'cause that cut out two of the coolest setpieces
plush tiger
Oh yeah. That's bewildering to me
boreal adder
and I think it nerfed the final boss fight, but I may have just got better after the first time
it doesn't feel different, just a little easier
hard to say
plush tiger
You're faster, got more ammo, and I think some weapons deal more damage
restive delta
Yeah they cut out that blue fog area in Hell in RoE, I loved that place
For some reason I felt like you had to use the Artifact to deal damage to the final boss in the original RoE... but I played it like half a year ago and it was easier than I remembered
But I heard they made it easier in the BFG version too, not played it yet to compare though
manic zenith
Hello everyone. I'm thinking of buying Doom 3 on Steam but which version should I buy, original or BFG?
plush tiger
both
but depends on if you want a slower, more atmospheric horror shooter or something a lot more fast-paced and modern feeling
restive delta
Or you could buy it on the Bethesda Launcher and unlock a skin for Eternal... too many options
restive delta
Bear in mind that if you buy the original DOOM 3, you will need to buy the expansion Resurrection of Evil separately if you want to play it
versed estuary
Price wise BFG re release is better for da wallet
restive delta
But that's not a problem since on Steam I think both together are cheaper than the BFG Edition. However the BFG Edition also has the Lost Missions, another expansion exclusive to it
versed estuary
But it doesnt come with doom 1 or 2
plush tiger
OG Doom 3 and ROE get real cheap on sale
boreal adder
is it? I've had both versions for so long...
plush tiger
It's not even that, it's just the versions of the games included have all the weird changes like the Wolfenstein censoring
boreal adder
and no Final Doom
the original versions of the games are still on Steam, I think... and you don't really need to run them through it either.
untold tangle
on GOG as well
restive delta
@manic zenith So to summarise, if you buy the original DOOM 3, you have to buy the Resurrection of Evil expansion separately if you want to play it (though both together are a lot cheaper than the BFG Edition). You also have to use console commands to enable widescreen resolutions I believe, and the HUD will be stretched (unless you find some mods that fix that). It also runs at a fixed ~60 FPS.
The BFG Edition includes the Resurrection of Evil expansion and The Lost Missions expansion, plus DOOM and DOOM II. It supports widescreen with the HUD too and can be set at 120 FPS. It has some lighting tweaks, and a few gameplay tweaks like a mounted flashlight.
The DOOM 3 version (non BFG Edition) on the Bethesda Launcher is essentially the BFG Edition without DOOM and DOOM II (so it includes Resurrection of Evil and The Lost Missions). However it's considerably cheaper than the BFG Edition, and you can also unlock a classic looking skin for DOOM Eternal through that version, by linking your Slayers Club account. Though of course if you prefer to use Steam, this is not an option.
scenic stratus
Been playing Doom 3 on original Xbox lately and I do agree. There's a significant difference in how it feels, but I'm a huge horror fan and that's what this game really is.
plush tiger
god that port
manic zenith
@restive delta I will buy BFG edition on Steam because it supports widescreen and also has The Lost Mission. Thank you everyone for helping me decide.
plush tiger
so cool and yet so not worth it
scenic stratus
Xbox version is fun, but only if you like lack of options. Hahaha!
rocky acorn
So i've been getting around to playing through all the doom stuff to prepare myself for Doom Eternal. Finally getting around to Doom 3. Should I just use an HD Mod with Sikkmod stuff enabled? Or should I go all out and use Perfected Doom 3?
faint onyx
i honestly wouldn't even bother
Doom 3 is a huge weakpoint in the series and none of the others really have to do w it
if anything id say go all out with perfected d3
restive delta
Eh I'd say it's worth a play anyway. But I don't know much about those mods so I can't really recommend them
rocky acorn
Yes Doom 3 is the weakest of the lot. I am well aware of that. It should get a playthrough anyways, and I need to kill a lot more time before I do Doom 2016. Mm. Perfected D3. Temptation is REAL strong. I just might.
versed estuary
Doom 3 is a fun game, it just doesn’t have the music or High speed demon killing of a Doom game.
Main campaign is a very slow start,
RoE having the better pacing
But as a horror type shooter it’s fun
faint onyx
if you're gonna play it then I'd suggest it. i have it for xbox and pc and it just doesn't feel right without at least the duct tape mod
versed estuary
Duct tape mod?
rocky acorn
Yeh, I hear you....ah, hecc it.
Duct Tape basically adds flashlight to most weapons.
versed estuary
So it in a way gives it the BFG edition shoulder mounted flashlight
ember sentinel
Nah @rocky acorn dont listen to the haters, Doom 3 is awesome in its own way and definitely worth a playthrough if you have time
faint owl
I think it is better than the originals
rocky acorn
I have played plenty of Doom 3 when I was younder, Myth. Trust me. I know what Doom 3 is.
That said, vanilla Doom 3 has bored me in the past. I think I will just go ahead and do Perfected Doom 3.
ember sentinel
I enjoy then all. Im on my 3rd playthrough of Doom 3 now. First time checking out the BFG edition.
rocky acorn
Yeah, sure. I do appreciate Doom 3 for what it is.
faint owl
Mainly because the only good episode in doom 1 and 2 is knee deep
ember sentinel
Thats a pretty hot take
rocky acorn
Flamebelch take, right there.
ember sentinel
Foundry level take
faint owl
Well it's true, I only play custom maps now
rocky acorn
Gonna disagree highly, but you do you.
faint owl
Inferno = kill me bro
ember sentinel
Yeah i respect your opinion but also disagree. Some are worse than others but i still enjoyed all if it
faint owl
I enjoy it compared to most games but it's still bad. I would rather play doom 3
But No rest for the wicked is amazing
But yeah again custom maps since it came after release
But I can never keep playing the original after knee deep it's downhill from there
rocky acorn
I have played through the classic doom games time and time and time again. I love them, flaws and all.
faint owl
Well to me Ultimate is 3/4 flawed but to each their own
But final doom is the weakest in the series imo. Give me them hit scan chaingunners
versed estuary
Artificial difficulty, like what gmanlives said
faint owl
So for me its Doom 2016 > Doom 3 > The Ultimate Doom > Doom 64 > Doom 2 > Final Doom
versed estuary
It’s not hard, it’s just bs at times
rocky acorn
polar crown
faint owl
But obviously in terms of replay ability with custom maps it has to be Doom 2 hands down
boreal adder
yeah I didn't like Doom 2's campaign as much as... any of the other doom campaigns. but there are plenty more for it 🙂
charred fox
64 and doom 1 are me favorites
brisk gulch
I loved doom 2’s campaign
boreal adder
It still had its good moments for me, they were just a little too few and far between
prime briar
Doom 2 was rough
versed estuary
3> 2 imo
coral solstice
yeah, same
short grotto
Mwah
rocky acorn
So, what do you think Ebola 7 does?
(i bet nobody remembers that one thing in the email at Mars City)
cerulean dust
I love DooM 3 2
brisk scroll
frozen nova
Doom 3 is better than Doom 2016 in some respects
like you can skip cutscene
you can save anywhere
versed estuary
Save anywhere is both cheating and amazing
Amazing because if I have to drop the game to do something boom save
charred fox
One thing doom 3 had over 16 was the more seamless room to room combat I guess
frozen nova
yeah and the game doesnt lock the door behind you when you enter a combat arena
idle sail
That's something that will be improved on alot in eternal thankfully
frozen nova
Man people really underestimate the influence of Serious Sam on singleplayer arena shooters that came after
lapis sand
frozen nova
Fundamentally its not actually that different, just a different pace and scope
You still run around shooting things
There are still secrets
Keys and locked doors
Lots of guns
Different tiers of demons
lucid fractal
I think Doom 3 was fine for me
nimble wren
I'm confused about the hold/toggle sprint thing people are talking about
because I played BFG and I had hold sprint
little gulch
why is doom 3 always that one game i keep coming back to but never finish?
boreal adder
I wouldn't know, I've finished it at least, oh, seven times
little gulch
i think i got as far as enpro maybe?
no, a while after you go to hell for the first time
boreal adder
I never really liked that hell level -- and I know I'm in the minority on it but whatever
I'm the sort of player who likes to take a break once in a while and devour all the optional lore the game has given him even if it's presented a bit awkwardly, and the lore builds it up to be this gigantic world people have been exploring
then you go there and it's this linear series of rooms which begs two questions:
where are all these places these people say they were exploring?
and if you've got that moment near the start where you're trapped in an iron cage while the souls of the damned scream around you, how could anyone have not figured out it was hell right away?
little gulch
i mean, betruger acknowledges it's hell
boreal adder
yeah, but the scientist in delta 2a says it took them a while to figure that out
boreal adder
I like Betruger, he's like a politician... he lies about being evil but you know so clearly it's a lie it's like he's being honest
his words say one thing and his actions another
little gulch
i like how they went a similar route with doom 2016, with hell being explored, and the uac having devil worshippers on the board of directors
boreal adder
so deliciously infuriating
little gulch
betruger is cool
boreal adder
and yeah Olivia counts like that too
boreal adder
I think she's honestly the better villain but Betruger's just fun
little gulch
and the uac knew it was hell the whole way through
boreal adder
I love how 2016 UAC is totally honest about being evil
we should all be so transparent
little gulch
they literally have chapels with devil sacrifices
mustache twirlingly evil, but i like it
boreal adder
it wasn't what I expected leading up to the game, but it was so refreshing
little gulch
samuel seemed to have probably been the more gray one at least
boreal adder
yeah but he wasn't really in control
he had to sneak the slayer's coffin away from Olivia in secret, he didn't know what was going on in the Lazarus labs
little gulch
true
boreal adder
he implies he deliberately turned a blind eye to what she was doing, but he had that discussion with her in the lobby of the ARC that makes that ring hollow.
he was outmaneuvered
frozen nova
maybe he underestimated the lengths that she would go to
or maybe he thought he was in more control
boreal adder
probly both
jovial lintel
New to this place
As much as I love Doom 2016 and cannot wait for Doom Eternal, I do like the style of doom 3 more.
That is, you're just a lone marine against hell. It's more survival horror esque. It is its namesake, Doom
Doom 3 had flaws but I think it's underrated. It was a bold step in a different direction for Carmack
frozen nova
if I had a dime every time someone said that...
jovial lintel
You'd have 30 cents?
frozen nova
id probably be able to afford a better place to live
honest lynx
Hey guys just came here to say doom three is underrated
charred fox
Straight facts
sturdy dune
What about Doom 3 remake on Source engine,what do you think?
charred fox
Whoa is that real?
sturdy dune
I hope it is,I was asking about who you guys think about the idea
charred fox
O lol
With the weapons being already ported to gmod I could see that being possible
And ROE technically has a physics gun
sturdy dune
Well,I worked on soruce engine for more then 5 years doing things,random stuffs..etc and I know every single detail about the engine.
So porting doom 3 to source engine will be a piece of cake for me if I had the right team
echo tree
Is doom 3 good on consoles?
untold robin
maybe
waxen kraken
I was surprised how good it ran on switch. So it should be just as good if not better on other systems 😉
scenic stratus
Doom 3 on Source
Yes yes yes yes, yes. Yes yes yes, yes yes yes yes!
honest lynx
I just like throwing things at demons everytime I play ROE. .. I have a problem
restive delta
The grabber gun is fun like that
bronze venture
Anybody ever see that mod of the icon of sin for DOOM 3?
Was actually really good for mod standards
true mica
Haven't played it, but I have seen it
frozen nova
its fine but unfit for the campaign itself
sorry perfected doom 3 but youre not a good mod
viral rock
ew doom 3
slim rose
I havnt tried any Doom 3 mods hrmmmm
viral rock
I cant mod it I play on Switch
slim rose
I love horror, but Doom 3 can still have some good jumpscares
play at night in a quiet room. Lights out
viral rock
boreal adder
for me it was never really a scary game, just an immersive one
jovial lintel
yup^
boreal adder
and that's fine, I like that
slim rose
well same. I love the hell art
jovial lintel
I love the atmosphere of that base. The soundtrack, everything dark. It's creepy
slim rose
mhm
boreal adder
yeah, little snatches of musical instruments but never enough to convince you that you didn't "imagine" it
and it meshes well enough with the sounds of the base falling apart that it feels like it's in the world
vocal linden
Hehe
unique ridge
I wonder if they'll ever rerelease the original Doom 3 and ROE
Like the BFG edition is cool and all, but so is having a visible stamina bar, flashlight, and original ammo
vocal linden
Only bfg edition is real now 😉
I do prefer the original as well
Having to swap to the flashlight and time your shots added to the tension
slim rose
I like the original one because of that^
boreal adder
and it wasn't that dark
slim rose
BFG is the one with 100% black shadows? or both games kinda that way
boreal adder
or, irony of ironies, are we all really cats with that night vision and it's the humans who're sane?
sturdy coral
Is DOOM 3 worth getting on the PS4?
vocal linden
Tbh the bfg edition was best played with the VR mod
slim rose
ooo a VR mod you say? I'm gonna have to try
vocal linden
I think the classic ports are cool on console but idk if I would go as far as getting doom3
Yeah its awesome
slim rose
got a VR headset for Christmas so been loving the hell out of it
vocal linden
I would post a link but the police might take me away 😜
frozen nova
Contrary to popular belief Doom 3 was never that dark
vocal linden
Doom3 was also not a bad game
Most people think its the worst doom game but i think its neat
slim rose
naw 3 has its purpose
vocal linden
Heh
frozen nova
the people that ruined BFG edition
slim rose
Not really much of a Slayer. But the basic hellish principles of science!
boreal adder
doom 3 feels more like primal hunter than slayer to me. each has its place!
slim rose
Ressurection of evil with ur slow motion cyber heart thing
boreal adder
slayer-of-creepy medical waste 😄
frozen nova
resurrection of evil was kinda shit
boreal adder
naw, I liked some of the set pieces and the hell level felt more expansive than the original
frozen nova
I liked some of the new stuff, but hated an equal amount of that new stuff
frozen nova
the heart thing was overpowered only in the way 2016's weapon mods were
slim rose
has anyone here read what the guy at the desk types on his computer screen in the first level?
frozen nova
RoE also was actually 100% dark sometimes
boreal adder
yeah, so are the vulgars and berserkers though
frozen nova
its so easy to just use the heart to basically skip past some parts of the game
and RoE is already short
scenic stratus
@boreal adderlol hey dude
boreal adder
HEY SteeleDuke!
frozen nova
some of the issues of the vanilla game are also not really fixed
restive delta
3 is pretty long though, I get bored of it sometimes
boreal adder
I just take breaks
restive delta
I'm very tempted to try RoE without using the artifact
Well, apart from those traps where you have to use it
slim rose
I need to go find an image I saved on my desktop of the dude
restive delta
Yeah I don't play 3 in one go anyway, just feels it drags a bit
boreal adder
I wondered how long it would take to run into someone from one of my other servers here 🙂
slim rose
@restive delta definitely can feel like demon hallway simulator
restive delta
But actually now I have the latest port and am just ignoring more stuff with sprint strafe, it's not so bad
A big part of it is ignoring audio logs. Save so much time
scenic stratus
Yup haha
boreal adder
I like finding the lore. but that's also why I didn't like the original hell level so, eh
it was built up too much
restive delta
That's one of the reasons I like RoE and Lost Missions, you don't have as many audio logs
@boreal adder Well yeah I liked that for initial playthroughs, especially the science and medical stuff
boreal adder
it felt underwhelming compared to what the audio logs and emails made it out to be
restive delta
But listening to 3 minute audio logs to hear a code at the end gets dull
boreal adder
ROE and Lost Mission both did Hell better IMHO
restive delta
I should probably just print out a code list at some point
boreal adder
yeah it was a mistake to assume that every player would care enough about the lore to want that
frozen nova
RoE did hell a little better but kinda fucked up the tech levels in turn
boreal adder
I did, but I'm... special... 😛
scenic stratus
I still remember 90% of the codes from playing it as a kid
boreal adder
I think lost mission did the best Hell by splitting it into two maps
and made it feel more like there was stuff there you didn't see
frozen nova
lost mission was short as fuck
restive delta
Oh I did everything first playthrough for sure
I have to say I liked 3's hell more in terms of atmosphere
But yeah RoE was a bit nicer in terms of combat probably
boreal adder
I still really like 1 (and even 2's) hell
it feels more like an actual world
scenic stratus
3 had the most atmospheric hell for sure
boreal adder
even within the limitations of the technology
restive delta
Lost Missions wasn't too bad at some points it was like "walk down here and spawn a Cacodemon, walk a bit more and spawn a Cacodemon"
scenic stratus
1 and 2 will obviously be the best all around forever though
boreal adder
3's hell feels more like a series of rooms, and each one is cool, but they don't really give that sense of something bigger
restive delta
I don't feel like they made it dangerous enough with big enemies in smaller areas
It was all very open
frozen nova
lets be real though, Doom 64 did hell the best of the whole series
boreal adder
I did like having to fight a couple of those berserkers without the ROE artifact
wasn't Doom 64 mostly hell?
frozen nova
ye
boreal adder
I don't have very good memory for it but I think you're probably right
scenic stratus
Ehhh 64 hell on an actual 64 isn't too fun lol
restive delta
I've still not played it, at this point I'm waiting for the release with Eternal
Well I lie, I played a bit at QuakeCon on an actual N64, but not enough for real impressions
boreal adder
yeah, I managed to do something on PC with it a while back, but it was awkward. looking forward to an actual port, then I'll play it properly
too bad they couldn't put that out ahead of Eternal though
scenic stratus
in my opinion doom 3 is the best doom game after the first
@scenic stratus same here dude
boreal adder
I'd rate all dooms equally except maybe 2... didn't like that campaign so much
frozen nova
Doom 3 has its merits, in terms of art design and atmosphere its probably the best
boreal adder
progression through levels was a little too... obscure... sometimes
scenic stratus
The new ones are the worst imo, go ahead and call me an idiot
boreal adder
and most of the city parts were just big square maps with buildings that didn't contain anything that made sense
very hard to keep track of what was where
frozen nova
I ironically find Doom 2016's flaws easier to spot than Doom 3
restive delta
I like 2, it was mainly continuity. I just felt like a mash of random maps. Which it kind of was
boreal adder
if the original map screen had shown where the different key doors were on it it would have probably made those parts at least a little better
scenic stratus
I have a question in Doom 3, are demons demons or other creatures' evolution?
boreal adder
instead of marking all doors the same colour
scenic stratus
Demons obviously
boreal adder
demons are demons everyone evolves to demon
restive delta
Demons, apart from Z-sec and Zombies pretty much
frozen nova
in Doom 3 the lore of hell is actually kinda obscure
I feel nuDoom reveals too much about hell
boreal adder
true, they never explained exactly how Revenant evolved rocket launchers naturally
scenic stratus
Demons are demons everywhere except for that one movie
frozen nova
and the novels
scenic stratus
True
boreal adder
and my inner demons aren't really demons
frozen nova
thats a different game
scenic stratus
Neither of which are canon thankfully
frozen nova
"canon" at this point isnt entirely clear
scenic stratus
Lol yea...
restive delta
It's funny how I seem to be in this channel more even though I like 2016 way more than 3
scenic stratus
Are the revenant experiments of Dr. Betruger or demons?
restive delta
I don't think they specify
boreal adder
that was another bit of plot cheesiness in Doom 3 though. Researchers find a natural creature with freaking rocket launchers growing out of it's shoulders and never bother to think "hey, this might be an invasion force"
restive delta
They don't got into so much detail because they struggled to capture live specimens for many demons, and only managed to find small amounts about them
scenic stratus
I think the revenants are just more demons in 3, they're never described as experiments
boreal adder
they still found out rocket launchers
seems pretty clear
rocket launchers is all you really need to know... arguably
frozen nova
the skellyboi in Doom 3 had weird ghostly flesh over its boners
scenic stratus
Lol
restive delta
Well Betruger has become obsessed with teleportation and the other dimension
boreal adder
yeah but there were other researchers working for him who saw rocket launchers
scenic stratus
but how do they have rockets? (the same with the mancubus that have cannons that seem made pornla auc)
slim rose
ok im back home and i got the pic i need
boreal adder
that's a whistleblower moment right theere
slim rose
cant post pics eeeee
restive delta
I think actually in the Lost Missions that guy that helps you suggests Betruger was in league with Hell longer than they make it sound in 3
boreal adder
@scenic stratus unexplained
boreal adder
yeah, dml, but he was still the only one
frozen nova
the demons in Doom 3 were actual nightmare fuel
the ones in 2016 and Eternal look like cartoons in comparison
pure wagon
That's the point of their design
They're made to be family horror style
boreal adder
I really liked Mancubus's Doom 3 design, too bad it only showed up in two maps
frozen nova
what the fuck was betruger tho? was he human possessed by the will of hell or something?
boreal adder
more like the will of hell possessed by a human
restive delta
@boreal adder Yeah you wonder why more people didn't question his actions
boreal adder
it wasn't like Olivia where half the staff worshipped her
restive delta
It seemed like people were being essentially forced to "volunteer" for the cross dimensional tests
boreal adder
I got the impression part of it was that Betruger made it very difficult for people to leave mars
restive delta
Yeah, but he must have had some management under him that were following him fairly blindly
Else he'd have been picked up on more
boreal adder
and Doom 3 UAC is subtly implied to be some sort of military organization meaning people might have been there under orders
scenic stratus
start and play doom 3 and 2 on switch is fucking?
restive delta
Pretty much only Elizabeth McNeil was adverse to his actions in terms of high ranking personnel. They don't really mention much else apart from lower level employees
frozen nova
the game kinda made a point that mars city was a shitty place to live and work
no one was enthusiastic about it and they couldnt leave or quit
boreal adder
yeah, the video logs try to sugar coat it but it shows a lot that even they barely make the effort
frozen nova
lol if it wasnt demons, maybe there might have ended up being a red faction-esque uprising
boreal adder
was just going to say...
restive delta
I guess they just expected us to imagine that everyone was super hyped in the pursuit of science, so went along with Betruger until it was pretty much too late
frozen nova
going to mars to witness bleeding edge super future tech was enough reason for many
boreal adder
"his sinister monotone can't be a sign of evil!"
"this super-future stuff isn't enabled by demons on the prey!"
"there's no way Mars City is at doom's gate"
"all that shrieking metal I hear can't possibly be the imp's song"
"but when the lights go out it leaves me in suspense"
...should I go on?
frozen nova
no
boreal adder
😦
charred fox
I enjoyed it tbh
dark knot
Who had fun killing the scientists in doom 3?
slim rose
@dark knot did u see this?http://prntscr.com/qz3j01
first level of the game at the front desk
dark knot
Oh my hell, I didnt need to laugh aloud upon seeing that, that's a hella funny
slim rose
dont worry i did the same when i first saw
restive delta
make sure you score 25,000 in Super Turbo Turkey Puncher 3
dark knot
Who hasn't though, whenever I play doom 3, I always, and I mean always go out of my way for turbo Turkey puncher 3
charred fox
Oh my god lol
dark knot
Alright, who else dreads the revenant in doom 3 as much as I do? Seriously, I hate the damn things more than archviles
charred fox
They suck man
I duck under a box, stupid tiny firecracker hits my face
Hide around a corner? Nah sorry bro here’s another one
dark knot
The damned firecrackers man, those things follow you regardless
charred fox
God
They’re also strangely hard to see in the dark
Like I can make out an imp faster than revenants because imps strut around
dark knot
The green eyes dont even give them away, its weird
charred fox
Yeah it literally just blends into everything else lol
dark knot
Damn doom 3s lighting
boreal adder
I absolve it
dark knot
Who else thinks the main menu theme kicks ass?
slim rose
👍
boreal adder
well, I recorded my own cover of it last year so that tells you something
charred fox
I hear the pause menu theme when I sleep at night
boreal adder
I wanna get around to improving the mix before I share, it's a little different from the way I usually *write (come on self)
dark knot
I hear the pause theme for doom 2016 in my sleep
safe drift
Okay so I spend an unhealthy amount of time trying to connect the Doom series into one continuous narrative, and I had a thought that is pretty small and doesn't really mean much, but I still think is interesting
Remember the EPD laser in the alpha labs in Doom 3? The thing you had to go into the test fire chamber and crouch to avoid being hit by it?
What if that was a predecessor to the Gauss cannon in Doom 2016
charred fox
That would be something
safe drift
Like, a big, bulky, immobile prototype that would eventually become streamlined down to the pseudo-railgun in doom 2016
charred fox
IIRC one of the glyphs in doom 16 had someone holding a cube
dark knot
A railgun you mean @safe drift
charred fox
Like either a soul cube or just a damn cube
safe drift
Plus the soul cube was in the Lazarus labs
boreal adder
a cube dam to dam the flow of cubes, dammit
charred fox
It does go down kinda fast lol
Someone mentioned it before but fighting mancubus and hellknights during the fight would’ve been cool
boreal adder
yeah, but it wasn't a very whelming fight... I can't help think it would have been just more tedious if they made it go on longer
though it would have been cool to see mancubus again after hell
even just in the cave levels they'd fit in
safe drift
Honestly something that would have made the cyberdemon fight better was if the soul cube made it vulnerable to regular attacks instead of being the only way to attack
dark knot
I guess I was disappointed that I couldn't just BFG the cyberdemon
boreal adder
one of the things that bugged me about the game in general was for a game that has a huge number of big maps, a lot of the enemies feel like basically one-offs
charred fox
Literally the only time where “shoot at it until it dies” doesn’t apply
dark knot
And the shotgun, don't get me started with the shotgun
boreal adder
there are quite a few that only show up in 2 or 3 maps (out of 27!), and even some of those are restricted to very specific areas in the maps where they do show up
boreal adder
I really don't understand why they decided to bring Vagary back in the caves instead of having Mancubus or Pinky show up again
or for that matter why does Pinky only show up in the first half of the game
dark knot
Actually, your right
safe drift
I always thought it looked kinda Similar to the Fiend in Quake
boreal adder
at least it doesn't leap constantly
dark knot
(When you realize the pinky demon in doom 3 isn't pink)
boreal adder
yeah but I called a tiger pinky cause she kept making the same noise at me so we're committed
dark knot
I call it disabled pinky
boreal adder
...it is in a wheelchair
dark knot
No your thinking the movie, the ones in doom 3 got cybernetic legs
charred fox
Lol
Pinky demon looks more like a thumb demon to me
Actually do they call it pinky in doom 3?
boreal adder
honestly I couldn't tell they were legs... I'm usually looking at its eyeless face
I just assumed the movie didn't have that kind of creativity
charred fox
They’re strangely cute tbh
boreal adder
no they're not, I hate eyeless faces
dark knot
In a, very weird way
boreal adder
eeeeurgh
charred fox
I’d give it a pet
scenic stratus
I like how hell is just casually BBQing pinkies
dark knot
Xenomorphs are cute, when done right
charred fox
Yea
boreal adder
but, I can see how someone with way too many eyes would disagree
charred fox
Cough imp
dark knot
I call them spider imps, their agile, and have a great many eyes
charred fox
Spidermen
boreal adder
no I was talking about both of you
one's a spider, the other... has glasses 😄
safe drift
Decapitate a doom 3 imp and it becomes a trite
safe drift
honestly I hope they come back they were cool
safe drift
Probably that skittering they make when they walk
charred fox
Tap tap tap
charred fox
Oh god
boreal adder
As spider-things in games go I think they're about the least scary
But they're fun to fight
boreal adder
Maybe it's cause they're... overdone...
...obnoxious
...a little tedious
boreal adder
Actually thought the ticks were scarier, but they were the most underused of all
That squeal sounds just unnatural
safe drift
God what about the Cherub
boreal adder
Coming from someone who loves the game...
...that boss was kinda lame
Cherub was much better
charred fox
Baby mosquitos
safe drift
That thing was weird
boreal adder
I always thought they were more like wasps
charred fox
Imagen you sit down to play a doom game but then you’re forced to shoot a baby in the face
safe drift
I thought they looked more like flies
dark knot
@boreal adder , correction, I'm a spider, slayer
honest lynx
Sarge always creeped me out the most. Poor guy
boreal adder
even creepier how you don't see whatever must have led up to his... for lack of a better word, surrender
honest lynx
I'm sure he went out with a fight.
boreal adder
oh definitely, from the way he acts at the start... but you don't see it. you're just left to wonder
charred fox
Yeah sarge is really disturbing if you think about it
He was one of the only marines besides you that survived for so long but within an hour gets wrapped around an entire tank
dark knot
Is he the one holding the BFG?
charred fox
Yep I believe so
dark knot
Man, he is mysterious, but a total badass
charred fox
I liked him but also felt bad disobeying his dumb order
boreal adder
you don't even know if the last time he speaks to you in Delta 1 is before or after his conversion
charred fox
DUDE ikr
boreal adder
I didn't, it was a dumb order
charred fox
He sounds really fucked up in that radio call too
boreal adder
this is probably why I should never join a military...
charred fox
You might get sent to Phobos/mars for disobeying
dark knot
Imma expierment
boreal adder
always a good idea for someone who can't spell experiment to do it anyway
dark knot
Ressurection of evil
boreal adder
okay, you... changed it... but didn't correct it...
my mind is currently leaking out my ears
charred fox
Aw fuck
dark knot
Over all, this whole idea fuckin failed
charred fox
Mission failed
dark knot
Well get em next time
boreal adder
niossim. niossim! !niossim eht ta deeccus
dark knot
What is this man speaking?
boreal adder
eson. eson. eson. eson.
dark knot
By the wraiths?!
scenic stratus
Sarge basically just gets stroggified lol, he'd fit right in q2 or q4
charred fox
Yeah lol
open latch
just finished doom 3 a few weeks ago
faint owl
Also more variety of Demons during the final boss too instead of just Maggots and Imps.
scenic stratus
static root
I have been replaying every single doom game i can before eternal come out and i just need to finish doom 3
I dint have anymore and i cant buy it doe so ill wait for a bit
safe drift
Tbh I've bought doom 3 like 3 times, regular edition, bfg edition, then the rereleased version so I could get the DE skin
far as I know the only pre-game skin I don't have yet is the 25th anniversary slayer
stuck lion
Seems I still judged doom 3 too early, the base area after hell where the building falls away to reveal meat walls is really damn cool
little raven
I’m almost to hell where i hear it becomes much cooler
stuck lion
Hell is really cool, the base a bit after it is dope af too, but now its getting boring again
rare breach
It’s a really fun game even if it doesn’t really feel like Doom. It feels like you’re a side character in the Doom universe tbh. Still a great game with an amazing atmosphere.
boreal adder
This
scenic stratus
To be honest this is actually one of my favorite survival horror shooters, it doesn't manage to capture the feeling of doom but it is a very unique game that I don't think will have a spiritual successor.
kind surge
Doom 3 was a good game but a bad doom game
scenic stratus
i don't even think it was that bad of a doom game
it was just a more linear and slower doom with realistic level design and had more of a focus on story and atmosphere than pushing the player to the limits with gameplay
Doom 1 and 2 were very focused on gameplay and exploration and pushing the player to the limit
versed estuary
Yeah, it’s just that Doom 3 was being compared to doom 1,2,64
Super fast paced games, to a much slower experience
static summit
The thing is, Doom 3 was created when "reboots" and the like were still uncommon. They weren't trying to replicate the feeling of the old games, it was supposed to be its own thing
But people don't like new things when they like the old thing
scenic stratus
they retained some of the old gameplay elements but changed how they worked
scenic stratus
I think it was intentionally designed so that you play slowly and have to aim better
It is to make the game more survival horror and the player a bit weaker. So you have to play more carefully
versed estuary
If you mean a flashlight mod for original Doom 3 not BFG then yes
It’s called the duct tape mod I believe
It adds flashlights to most weapons
boreal adder
It's there for you to not use.
jovial lintel
Regardless of the intent, it's an obnoxious gameplay mechanic. I'm a big fan of doom 3 btw
I just have the original doom 3 for pc
charred fox
I think doom 3 feels like a doom game, it’s just the verticality is kinda lost in level design
scenic stratus
I think doom 3 is a better doom game than the new ones
scenic stratus
And I wouldn't really call it survival horror, survival horror games usually limit your ammo and encourage you to run past enemies. That's definitely not what is happening in 3
little raven
I haven’t gotten to the better second half but 3 is not even close to beings better then 2016
scenic stratus
Imo it is
little raven
2016 is just more fun for me
scenic stratus
I can't even play 2016 anymore. Just start it up and I'm instantly bored
little raven
How could you be bored with 2016
If anything this is usually the opposite situation
scenic stratus
It has no replay value in my opinion
little raven
Explain please
I mean you got rune trials classic maps multiplayer different difficulty levels i mean 2016 has lots of reply ability
scenic stratus
I would have to explain all my issues with 2016 lol
It was far from the perfect game for me
I hated the multiplayer
little raven
I wasn’t great but playing as demons was fun
scenic stratus
The loadouts ruined it. They shouldn't have allowed cod devs to make it
I don't feel like getting into a rant or I'd explain exactly why I feel this way
little raven
I’m interested please go into it
Fun fact is was halo devs
The ones who made halo 4 multiplayer
scenic stratus
Long story short, everything just got really repetitive really quickly. The animations especially the glory kill ones, the pathetic enemy a.i and how there was never more than like 12 enemies on screen during any fight, and probably my least favorite part about it, the over reliance on glory killing for health and chainsaw for ammo instead of good item placement and levels designed around that like all the previous doom games. There's my rant. Also Mick Gordon is overrated lol.
And I know
little raven
Unholy demon how could you not like the soundtrack
scenic stratus
It wasn't metal enough for doom. Sounded like it belonged in quake the entire game
charred fox
I can understand the soundtrack complaint lol as much as people are really quick to dismiss that
I don’t think 16 is very balanced but higher difficulties (mainly nightmare) will actually punish you for going for too many glory kills
boreal adder
Not metal enough? Heck you like my music 😋
charred fox
And the AI is not pathetic at that point unless it’s a hellknight sometimes they’re dumb
boreal adder
I can barely play guitar
I can see where you're coming from on most of it but not the AI, doom 3's ai was much simpler
On '16's soundtrack, I always felt that "pure" metal would get monotonous pretty fast (as in hard to tell one song from another, not as in boring) and divisive since nobody agrees on what pure metal is
So mixing it up with discordant industrial was at least a smart move
charred fox
Mick Gordon is insanely good at making metal tracks that aren’t repetitive
boreal adder
But this is how
charred fox
(Unless it’s bfg division good song but aaa)
boreal adder
Mixing other things into it
charred fox
Imo I love the soundtrack but because it’s so synth and bassy I feel like the melody is kinda lost and I end up not listening to most of the soundtrack when I’m not playing the game
boreal adder
Wolfenstein TNO mixed in hard and soft rock with the metal
charred fox
If that makes sense idk music talk
boreal adder
No that does
boreal adder
I think it's called "London Nautica" on the OST
charred fox
Holy shit I gotta hear it
boreal adder
It's loose, but still very much the same as... I forget the CD track number but it was in, I think, E1M4
heavy gyro
Yo is the new rebranded 25th anniversary version of doom 3 include dlc?
charred fox
Yeah that definitely reminds me of quake holy shit
boreal adder
I think I heard it does Sam yeah
rocky acorn
I've reached Delta Labs. I never ever regret doing Perfected Doom 3 nowadays.
boreal adder
Haven't touched it myself, though, I'm quite happy with the two older versions
rocky acorn
It makes it almost feel like i'm playing a Doom game.
charred fox
Does it fix the weapons : o
rocky acorn
Yyyyes, actually. Chaingun can now hold 450 ammo, for example, per 'clip'
Fixes the design oversight where the shotgun reloads 2 shells at a time, and adds a lot of new functions to weapons.
coral solstice
I didn't use PD3 because
- I didn't like the changes
- It kept corrupting its own quicksaves somehow
and the mapset it comes with is dogshit
rocky acorn
I love the changes. It spices up the combats and makes it not feel quite so limited and slow
coral solstice
it sucked out what made Doom 3 unique
and it made the bosses unnecessarily easy, just like BFG Edition
and also, the goddamn quicksave issue
rocky acorn
Other weapon-related functions include
-Dual-wielding pistols
-Firing off either the pistol or shotgun's chamber in a rapid and instant manner
-Porting over the SSG from RoE into base D3
-Rotary fire mode with the chaingun
-New weapon attacks for the plasmagun making it very VERY good at knocking down chunky targets, as well as a plasma flamethrower
And more.
coral solstice
here's how it goes:
let's say I'm playing that turd of a mod, and then I quicksave in a map
I manage to get to the next map, but then I die
I attempt to load the quicksave from the previous map
guess what happens?
rocky acorn
I've not run into the quicksave problem, btw.
coral solstice
it throws me into the console and says it couldn't load my save
rocky acorn
Actually, only one crash so far, and it was a freak accident.
coral solstice
PD3 is like the BD of Doom 3
an awful shitty mod that everyone seems to like for some reason
rocky acorn
Don't go there man.
charred fox
Dam
rocky acorn
PD3 is good imo.
I honestly feel like it's needed. vanilla Doom 3, to me, is a bread and celery sandwich compared to every other game in the franchise.
coral solstice
if I wanted to improve Doom 3, I'd rather just play it with SikkMod
and another mod that reduces the shotgun spread
that's it, other than that I'd leave it untouched
charred fox
Brad should definitely try it out sometime
rocky acorn
With the latest 7.0.2, i've been very very much enjoying.
boreal adder
I meant to give it a shot... now that I have the original d3 up and running again I just might
rocky acorn
By all means. There are three things to be wary of though, that still persist.
1: Expect to have to fiddle with Newgen Options when you first get the mod running.
2: Some of the AI pathing derps hard. not all of it, but sometimes.
3: Mirrors don't show the player properly.
Clarifying on 2, I mean the Imp AI sometimes herp-a-derps, and frequently the quadriped sentry bot AI.
Beyond that, i've absolutely loved PD3 so far.
rocky acorn
Oh lol. Nah, not really. PD3 actually lends itself well to Veteran difficulty.
scenic stratus
@boreal adder lol. I love metal and I love industrial but I'm pretty picky when the two are combined
charred fox
Quake does a gud job at it
boreal adder
Should just be glad I'm on yer good side then :P
AUTOCORRECT!
I will have my revenge
charred fox
I have severely conditioned my auto correct with my awful spelling so now I can never make a mistake again!!
safe karma
restarts Doom 3 BFG because achievement was disabled due to console is enabled but she didn't do anything, must be screenshot then
nimble wren
it's either if you enable the console or open it
doesn't matter if you actually use any commands
safe karma
it's screenshot F12 from steam that triggers achievement to disable but I don't have binds and launch option is empty.
However, I haven't reach the Hell yet sooo impatient! I haven't visited Hell since 2005 I think.
snores
nimble wren
wait so if you take a screenshot through Steam it counts as enabling/using the console?
my guess would be they did something that made it use an internal screenshot command, which counts as using a command
grizzled steppe
Can Wraiths insta-kill you?
I’ve died instantly when they were there before.
nimble wren
as in telefrag?
boreal adder
I don't think so
nimble wren
seems plausible though
I've never seen that myself because I've always just stood near their spawn location and blasted them with the shotgun as soon as they appeared
nimble wren
remember that one part where they threw like 7 of them at you at once
grizzled steppe
They do that?
nimble wren
there was like one specific part where I ran into about that many of them
nimble timber
Anyone know if XBC is still up? Or Alternative To play Lan over Net?
boreal adder
I think the next to last level threw about 20 of them at you one after the other
but memory might exaggerate
nimble wren
there was one point toward the end where a lot of them spawned successively
what I'm thinking about is earlier
it was when you're coming back down in Lab A
boreal adder
oh, yeah, that did happen
I loved that map. So huge, and interconnected
it felt like an actual mission instead of a series of rooms
grizzled steppe
The one thing I absolutely hate about Doom 3 is the lack of a map.
Even Doom’s 1 and 2 have maps.
So sometimes I’m running in circles for almost an hour.
candid swift
I'm wondering if I should get doom 3, very mixed reviews on it
nimble wren
in classic Doom you needed a map because of the sometimes mazelike nature of the maps
in Doom 3 the level design is much more straightforward
candid swift
I might get it on steam and refund it if I don't like it
slim rose
I don't think Doom 3 was that straight forward...
nimble wren
@candid swift it's up to personal taste, really
do you like Half-Life? that style of FPS? if so, you'd like it
@slim rose it's more straightforward than classic Doom
which is more of what I meant
candid swift
I like half life 2, half life 1 frustrated me with it's level design
slim rose
Ah ok
nimble wren
I'd say try it out then
get the BFG edition if you're used to being able to use your flashlight and shoot at the same time
candid swift
I'll look at it on steam
nimble wren
the flashlight mechanic is one of the most divisive parts about Doom 3
some people say it adds to the horror element or whatever, but it feels cheap, really
grizzled steppe
I prefer a flashlight that is built in to the suit.
nimble wren
I went with the BFG edition myself because I knew I'd find a handheld flashlight frustrating
that and I'm used to a mounted-type flashlight from playing Half-Life
candid swift
half life episode 1 pained me with it's flashlight. the cooldown that is
nimble wren
thankfully the Doom 3 BFG flashlight is more similar to Ep2's flashlight
it's not shared with the sprint meter, drains slowly, and recovers quickly
candid swift
good good
safe karma
Doom 3 doesn't have map
you gotta have to use your mapping memory
I hate flashlight in original Doom 3 but I managed to finish twice.
boreal adder
well my sense of direction is fine so that never bothered me
I grew up on games with a heck of a lot more vertical confusion to their mazes than any Doom...
lyric kraken
Real question here fellas: is it considered cheating to y'all if someone looks up a code for a storage/gun locker instead of finding the PDA for it?
scenic stratus
Yes
Because it's essentially noclip
dapper yacht
Except for those Martian Buddy codes, had to look those up. I think it's Martian Buddy.
boreal adder
cheating, but not at Doom... unless it's one of those times it's for progression. but that rarely happens
cheating at PDA
rocky acorn
Finished with the guardian. For whatever reason, the Guardian boss battle really really gave me profound difficulty. Anyways now i'm in PD3's extra hell levels.
boreal adder
never found guardian that hard
gotta think like a cat I guess!
charred fox
I absolutely google the codes
Maybe doomguy is just a good lockpicker
The PDAS are mostly not that to find tho
granite crest
Whatever happened to the marine after doom 3 is he still alive stuck on Mars?
untold robin
idk
charred fox
He gets evacuated by other marines iirc
granite crest
I'd love to see a cameo or an Easter egg in eternal
granite crest
Since the soul cube is in 2016 but that was the only reference
charred fox
Oh yeah
rocky acorn
Finished the extra hell levels Perfected Doom 3 added in. By god I hated Tower of Babel. Didn't help that the map fucking broke.
frozen nova
I never liked Perfected Doom 3
It didnt feel like Doom 3 perfected
more like Doom 3 Special Edition
if you get the reference
frozen nova
probably because the modder took that map from other places and stuck them into the main campaign
rocky acorn
Yes, ik, but still.
lyric kraken
what is perfected doom 3?
rocky acorn
An overhaul mod for Doom 3, changing up the gameplay and making it a lot more brutal and fast and about as less focused on darkness and spoop as it can be.
slim rose
shutup DYNO!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLgeiMhKhVI I love this effect still
tbh for an older game, this looks amazing
scenic stratus
ye, the moving flesh and gore effects look fantastic for the time
short blade
also I just assumed the Doom Marine tore open the storage lockers whenever I looked up a code lol
slim rose
naw gotta be polite and enter the code
short blade
well it made me feel better for cheating lol
scenic stratus
For the longest time, I had no idea how they did that effect.
slim rose
i mean i still dont know but i have an idea
slim rose
i figure its not terribly difficult to find out now
are you saying like just a 2d screen with 2 images rotating around in opposite direction s?
scenic stratus
It's a really good effect, 'cuz you knew you were going somewhere, but had a bit of a hard time registering direction.
are you saying like just a 2d screen with 2 images rotating around in opposite direction s?
Oh yeah, that's totally possible.
scenic stratus
Utilizing PBR textures for more realistic light reflections and bumpmaps for the illusion of depth, they can easily make a smooth plane appear more textured than it actually is.
slim rose
mhm
nimble wren
plus it's very good for performance
since the detail is just part of the texture, you can conserve polys on models
slim rose
ok so i found the portal outside the map
it is actually a tube
OH it's actually a loop
its a bit hard to see with the texture warping but here it is, i guess you get pulled around in a circle while the textures play http://prntscr.com/qzwfw8
ok no you don't go in circles, only one part is lit
So there is absolutly no movement in physical models, its just a tube with 2d textures
NO wait, ok i know i keep contradicting
The movement only works you are in the bounds of that portal. So yes it the entire donut thing rotates while you are in it, with the texture playing at the same time
so you get to move through an ugly rotten donut essentially @scenic stratus @nimble wren
scenic stratus
@slim rose Interesting find.
slim rose
i love this kind of stuff. Older game maps are so creative
coral solstice
doesn't Fallout 3 have a train that's literally just an NPC wearing a giant train hat?
scenic stratus
dafuq
nimble wren
wasn't it the player wearing the train hat instead?
scenic stratus
iirc it's an npc under the map that floats along where his train "hat" goes.
slim rose
scenic stratus
So, the entire train is actually a hat?
As in, a hat item?
That's how it functions, there?
coral solstice
I've never really played any Fallouts aside from a little bit of 1 and 4 so I don't really know
scenic stratus
Yes that's what's happening
scenic stratus
Thanks Todd.
wary rover
I remember how awful the Doom 3 xbox port was ._.
But it was for the longest time the only way I could play Doom 3
scenic stratus
i remember playing the xbox port
and getting scared when i was younger lol
That Xbox port wasn't that bad
It's the only version of doom 3 that ever had co-op
In the co-op mode it had there was no soul cube and you had to actually shoot the cyber to death at the end
scenic stratus
I still haven't played Doom 3.
I've had it for over 8 years, by now.
Someone gifted it to me, but I hadn't played it 'cuz I was too scared.
boreal adder
it's not really scary. just atmospheric
mood lighting
mood lighting for the demons who want to penetrate you
nimble wren
there are some jumpy moments and yes heavy atmosphere
boreal adder
they're cute
wary rover
I honestly like a lot of the monster designs in Doom 3 as well, even if the Archvile looks like a creepy old man
boreal adder
he does, but the look works for him I think 😄
wary rover
I mean yeah, also makes unloading rockets in his face super satisfying
teal crow
is the doom 3 re-release the BFG edition?
boreal adder
so I've heard. haven't checked meself, quite happy with the two versions I've got and I don't need no extra skins for a first-person singleplayer campaign 😛
where I mostly won't be seeing them
scenic stratus
Jump scares are the scariest part. It's really just a crazy atmosphere like he said^
scenic stratus
I hate jumpscares.
nimble wren
it's mostly just imps behind doors that jump at you
as long as you back away from doors when you open them you should be fine
scenic stratus
Yep lol, that and some actually cool ones like that bathroom thing
nimble wren
that's really the only scripted one
nimble wren
oh right
short blade
Not sure if that is a tentacle. That straight up looks like a daemon head. I want to fight that daemon and rip and tear its guts.
scenic stratus
Whatever it was that's another really creative jumpscare
Apparently whatever it says translates to "fear, pain, and death for all"
untold tangle
i've never seen that door.....
scenic stratus
Not sure if that is a tentacle. That straight up looks like a daemon head. I want to fight that daemon and rip and tear its guts.
That's no tentacle at all.
short blade
Indeed. It will be purged in the Emperor's Light
safe karma
which level?! I wanna see!
I got out of Hell and have a soulcube!
thinks Archville in Doom 3 is definitely Summoner!
oak copper
I'm a newcomer to Doom 3 specifically. How should I do a first playthrough? Bfg or the original? Or perfected doom 3?
safe karma
BFG for using flashlight on shoulder easier