so the monsters are capable of teleporting immediately when the level designer wants them to
#classic-doom-maps-mods
blissful heart
the switch or linedef simply lowers the floor so they can cross
It's quite a smart idea and I'm not sure who exactly came up with it
vocal crypt
Well who's the map designer for Scythe 2
unreal oyster
erik alm but it's probably not original to him
after all, scythe 2 came out in 2005
wary zealot
I'm having some frustrations with making an explosion create decals.
The problem is that I can't just define a decal in the projectile itself, as the projectile has some situations where it'll harmlessly bounce off walls instead of exploding, and it will create those decals when it bounces, not just when it explodes.
So, what can I do to create a decal on a wall near an exploding projectile?
light prism
another option would be to have no decal on the projectile and then have it spawn an insta-exploding projectile that DOES have the decal
light prism
hey, you can make actor arguments named in gzdb now, cant you?
under zscript?
nvm found it
no wait, thats not what im looking for
silent totem
Finally know what I'm trying to do and actually have a plan for some modding
So that's good
light prism
wtf you know what youre doing?
get out
this is a haven for the confused and aimless
topaz tendon
I've tried my hand at a lot of programming related escapades over the years
couldn't even figure out gamemaker script
just don't have the brain for it
light prism
my first experience was BASIC on an Amstrad CPC6128
but then i didnt really touch anything else until i was about 18
well unless you count pov-ray
(nobody counts pov-ray)
what got me into modding/programming was warcraft 3's map editor, it had a ltitle in-built script editor that worked off dropdown boxes for conditions and such
topaz tendon
I've always wanted to get into making indie games, have had ideas and concepts kicking around for a while now
even put together a shitton of tiles for a roguelike idea I had ages ago
but just can't code
light prism
well you seem like one of the smarter people here
maybe you just need to start smoking weed
topaz tendon
if I had the money to do anything it'd be coke
light prism
coke wont put you in the right state for programming
silent totem
I have an idea of what I want to do, I am confused and aimless when it comes to the whole how, but I think I'm working through it
topaz tendon
you're probably right
y'know, I have been meaning to try weed now that I'm off my meds
I tried it while on an antipsychotic and an antidepressant and it just knocked me the fuck out
light prism
well if youve never done it before, id make sure that you do it in the company of someone close to you first
just in case yknow, it doesnt agree with you
prescribed meds like that can definitely mess around with it
topaz tendon
ye
y'know the summer after my sophomore year my mom shipped me off to this stupid diabetes summer camp where I had a pretty generally shitty time but I did learn some shit
light prism
and it can generally affect different people in different ways
topaz tendon
they had this class available where a guy comes up and talks about how drugs and alcohol affect diabetes and blood sugar
type one diabetes specifically, the one where your pancreas kills itself
light prism
alcohol definitely affects blood sugar, the shit gets metabolized into sugars by your body
topaz tendon
actually for a diabetic it lowers your blood sugar
your liver is usually constantly putting out small amounts of sugar into your blood
but it stops doing that once there's alcohol in your blood
light prism
ah right
topaz tendon
maybe I should give gamemaker another try
it does seem like if I could make anything work while being generally shit at programming it'd be that
topaz tendon
yeah, gamemaker script
light prism
which means it probably has a reference manual
at the end of the day, the majority of languages follow the same basic rules
topaz tendon
it has tutorials on putting together basic stuff and a pretty active formula
light prism
a) its serial
topaz tendon
like, pretty in-depth video tutorials
light prism
b) its a chain of conditional checks followed by function calls
topaz tendon
one for a platformer and one for a top-down shooter
light prism
'if this then that else this'
im kinda upset at myself for not sticking through maths at high school, it bored the shit out of me
i think the problem with teaching maths is they start out trying to get you to answer equations, when the formulation of equations is the more important part
topaz tendon
I failed math 3 before realising that I didn't even have to do it to graduate
I passed algebra 1 by buckling down and actually sort of learning it by the final
light prism
alg will def help with coding
a huge part of code (depending on what youre doing, of course) is formulating algebraic equations
topaz tendon
then I bombed a semester and a half of geometry and moved schools, where they put me in "integrated math 2" which is supposed to be bits of algebra and geometry
and the entire last bit of the year was just an algebra 1 review for some reason
so I passed that
I never really got math once things got to algebra and geometry because it just didn't make any sense, abstract concepts and all
but I feel like if I had to put together a system in a game where I can understand and quantify exactly what I'm doing
light prism
well they try and give you real world examples but theyre always stupid too
topaz tendon
that it'd be much easier
light prism
the good ol 'trains' or 'billy gives you five apples' schtick
topaz tendon
"billy gives you five trains"
silent totem
Billy gimme your fucking appkes
light prism
how many trains does billy have in his fucking pockets
light prism
doctor who is the worst show ever
it would be the one case where americanization would improve it
light prism
the only good doctor was jon pertwee and only because he was worzel gummidge
topaz tendon
reminds me of that community episode where they interview chevy chase about the doctor who parody they have on the show to make the american version
light prism
phew, that was a bit of a pain to set up without any scripting or additions to the player code
light prism
i definitely like how you can just directly modify velocities from zscript
no more clumsy thrustthing / thrustthingz distinction
also thank you dpjudas for fixing normal interpolation
now interpolated models dont look like glitchy ass under any lighting conditions
past cradle
light prism
i was really surprised that you can just call functions directly on pointers
target.A_Die(); etc
i mean, its essentially a disconnect between the function call and the states of the pointer
which is sexy
previously to do something like that you'd have to have some acs running parallel and possibly forcing the actor to run certain states, which would then require you tracking their states with a uservar in order to return to the correct state afterwards, which is just a big ol mess
cerulean frigate
How do you define the location of mug face sprites for a new class in decorate?
I have my SBARINFO and SKININFO set up according to the wiki and other mods, but I don't know where I am suppose to specify the location of the actual sprites to use
cerulean frigate
Yeah it checks for the STF prefix, but does it automatically check in /graphics or /sprites?
light prism
i think its graphics
cerulean frigate
For future reference do functions in zdoom check certain named folders in the mod for certain sprites instead of having a file path defined?
light prism
works?
cerulean frigate
Let me double check to make sure everything is set up right
Ok yes it is working
I think some of the sprites were just off scale
It looked in the graphics folder
light prism
covert plover
is there a way for an actor to have 4 angles instead of 8?
light prism
write your own movement function
covert plover
ah
wary zealot
Does anyone know of any publically available doom-styled sword sprites? Or at least just sword sprites on doomguy's hands.
haughty flower
@light prism is that even doom
shadow bone
That looks distracting 😖
light prism
its very faint, thats why i took the shot in a dark area
the brighter flicker is just the gif looping
unique fern
for some reason this script is not wanting to work, when I go to test the map it says missing semicolon, but when I put one it still says missing. Anyone able to help?
even when I put semicolons behind all of the parentheses it says that they are not defined
unreal oyster
when it gives you a missing semicolon error for line 4, it actually means line 3 - it got to the end of line 3, went onto line 4 and got confused therefore giving all the errors
so yes, put semicolons after all of them
and then you need to put #include "zcommon.acs" at the top of the file
right now the functions won't be defined because you never included the file that defines them
unique fern
alright that worked. thank you for the help.
unreal oyster
no problem
unique fern
also my GZDoom lags every time I open it up to play a map. I go to play a map and it takes 5-10 seconds after I get into the map before I can play, it has been happening for a while now.
haughty flower
what version of gzdoom do you have @unique fern?
shadow bone
Why aren't you using the latest version of GZDoom?
You should also be using GZDoomBuilder-Bugfix
unique fern
I have the updater for it v1.5 and tried updating GZDOOM but it still does the lag. will have to get a more fresh version later. got to go to work.
livid hearth
Reeee
So I have this script : https://pastebin.com/VvjZ6ExA
It works just fine in GZDoom
but in Zandronum, it doesn't even start up
wtf
livid hearth
it breaks as soon as I introduce arrays to strparam
livid hearth
somewhere around there yeah
light prism
sorry hi
what happens if you make those variables global
rather, initialize them in map scope and define them within the script
rather than doing both in the script
light prism
i dont think zandro likes it when you try and initialize an array within script scope
under gdcc, bcc, and zscript i think this is allowed
(i havent tried bcc but i imagine it should)
livid hearth
well, a workaround would be to add a 3rd dimension to the array that is tied to playernumber()
light prism
im not sure of the connection to the issue
as long as youre not initializing it in script scope the dimensions of the array shouldnt matter
livid hearth
I just wanted to make sure that the values are separate for every player
https://pastebin.com/HnSd0VCi there we go
light prism
im not sure why you need to do the strparam
i mean i know you are checking strparamed string name actors
but theres gotta be a tidier way
haughty flower
@unique fern try updating your drivers then
or manually reinstalling them
*graphics drivers
light prism
haughty flower
silent totem
As always looks ridiculously impressive
light prism
that swamp area does not GIF well
silent totem
True
haughty flower
that gif makes the color palette basically not exist
livid hearth
@light prism The alternative would be to directly define the actor names in the array, but that makes for a lot of copy-paste which i want to avoid
light prism
yeah, strparam is good for that i guess
i just cant help but feel like this is all to handle decorate actors which could do the work themselves
livid hearth
it keeps track of 16 values that are tied to 12 actors
The power value, the power percentage, the rune item and the power change rate
light prism
what do the runes actually do
livid hearth
@light prism It's a long story. Basically, Rune of Elder amplifies cell and lightning weapon attack power, also makes explosions bigger, Rune of Earth grants lifesteal and damage resistance, makes explosions hurt more, you can also blast armor sharts out of certain enemies on death, Rune of Shadows will limit the range of monsters being alerted and may even silence weapons altogether, maybe unalerted damage from melee would be amplified, and Rune of Fire will amplify melee, shotgun, lava nails and laser cannon damage as long as the player keeps the aggression up.
The original version of the mod by HorrorMovieGuy has them simply as health and armor boosters, with the shotguns being buffed by the fire runes
light prism
cool concept, i still just wonder why you would be keeping track of this stuff in acs
i mean its all item based powers, any calculations could be done within the actors themselves, or better yet just inherit from a base class that has the calculations for all these
light prism
unique fern
hey guys im trying to create a map marker in slade and it keeps reverting back to a normal marker, why?
blissful heart
is there map info under it
unique fern
Under the textmap or the map marker?
I tried to import music into the wad and it messed it all up :/
blissful heart
is there any of this stuff under the map marker
unique fern
unique fern
I use gzdoombuilder
blissful heart
well did you use it to make a map
unique fern
thats all in the TEXTMAP lump i believe
blissful heart
im not sure its meant to be there
topaz tendon
just gonna put this out there- if anybody wants me to cook some midi up for them for a doom map or similar project, I'd love to do that for ya, I'd like to become a composer for vidya and some projects like that would be great for obvious reasons
light prism
show us yer shit
topaz tendon
I don't think the moderators would take kindly to that, that sounds a bit crude.
light prism
im at work so i cant listen anyway
topaz tendon
I'll have some stuff up over the weekend, this week has been a lot
haughty flower
do you ever just become a TITLEMAP
blissful heart
do you ever just become an iwad
unique fern
how do you create a map marker for the TEXTMAP lump?
nevermind, i got the map to load. I was missing the ENDMAP lump :/.
unique fern
how do you pull something out of decorate? I want to put the DOOM 64 "The Unmaker' in my map. I am currently trying to read up on it but any help from here would be nice.
light prism
depends
if the decorate is well-written it will probably be in a lump all by itself
if its not then you'll need to search it in the DECORATE and copypaste it to a new file
unique fern
well I found all of the pictures and the sound file for it a while ago and have them in a folder on my desktop trying to put them into a .WAD now. Also my map is now no longer running in doombuilder when I try to load it up. It can run perfectly fine when testing it in SLADE but says "unable to find any maps using this configuration. Does this wad contain any maps at all?.." when trying to use the builder.
light prism
you might need to try opening it in a different format
switch through the formats list until you see a map name pop up in the list
unique fern
it is in UDMF. and this is what pulls up, will not let me do anything after this pops up. I can only hit the "X" button or hit "OK" nut nothing else.
light prism
did you paste any lumps into the wad with the map in it?
unreal oyster
unrelated but you also need to have the iwad loaded to see the textures once you do load the map
unique fern
it will not let me load an IWAD into it.
light prism
you do that in game preferences, not when opening a wad
also you still didnt answer my question
unique fern
yes
light prism
you did paste lumps into your map wad?
you probably put them in between the map lumps
that would break the map
its better to have UDMF maps just in wads by themselves
and keep your resources in a seperate wad or preferably a pk3
unique fern
I do not know anything about pk3, this is what I found, it will not let me add resources
unique fern
just now figured that one out. had to click before adding
unique fern
its still popping up "Any maps at all?"
I clicked on GZDOOM: DOOM2 format and hit add resources but it is stil;l showing the same message
light prism
[9:19 AM] ░▒▓ TheMisterCat ▓▒░: you probably put them in between the map lumps
[9:19 AM] ░▒▓ TheMisterCat ▓▒░: that would break the map
[9:20 AM] ░▒▓ TheMisterCat ▓▒░: its better to have UDMF maps just in wads by themselves
[9:20 AM] ░▒▓ TheMisterCat ▓▒░: and keep your resources in a seperate wad or preferably a pk3```revert your map wad so it doesnt have any of the resources in it
or if youve kept a backup just delete the wad and rename the backup
udmf expects to find its map-related data in a specific sequence of files
back later
unique fern
I reverted it back to the last backup, it works properly now.
light prism
'thank you themistercat'
timber bridge
early doom wad makers constructing levels using dehacked, circa 1998
light prism
haha that guy on the left is changing the cyberdemon to barrel sprites
how antiquated
light prism
barrel o' laughs
wary zealot
Is it possible to change the speed of a fastprojectile? The wiki page for them mentions that anything that affects momentum doesn't, but nothing about the actual speed value.
light prism
i dont think so
wary zealot
To answer my own question from last night, turns out it is. After a lot of messing around it turns out "A_ScaleVelocity" works just fine for that.
So that rocks!
light prism
oh sweet
wary zealot
I have a new question, unfortunately.
I'm making a sort of kick attack that has damage multiplied by the player's velocity. At least, that's what I'm trying to do. In DECORATE expressions, there's "velx", "vely", and "velz". I know that velx/vely correspond to horizontal velocity, but is there such thing as a combination of the two? Or just a general expression for the player's velocity regardless of axis?
unreal oyster
with proper formatting, sqrt(velx * velx + vely * vely) (or in ZScript, just vel.length())
orchid crane
Im trying to make a body janitor mod for classic doom. However, when replacing the monsters, simply changing the last frame in the death state from -1 to 100 isnt working. Ive done Monster replaces Monster, Monster2 : Monster replaces Monster, and Monster2 replaces Monster. None of them have worked. How do I get my my rebellious janitor mod to do its job?
light prism
states {
Death.WaitForFade:
"####" "#" 1200
"####" "#######################" A_FadeOut(0.05)
stop
}
}```{
Death:
TROO I 8
TROO J 8 A_Scream
TROO K 6
TROO L 6 A_NoBlocking
TROO M 1
goto Death.WaitForFade
}}```also hooray for vel.length
i didnt know abuot that
orchid crane
So, when replacing base monsters with that, Id go "DoomMonster2: MySpecialMonster replaces DoomMonster"?
light prism
sure
then any tweaks you want to make to the WaitForFade can go in the base actor
like adding them to a queue or whatever
ensuring all children are dead, etc etc
orchid crane
Alrighty thank you!
light prism
silent totem
Interesting rave
remote coral
At first I thought it wanted to play a game of tic-tac-toe with you
remote coral
I sure do love mapper's block
When I have no idea what to do with the layout of my map
I have tons of ideas
but I'm just stuck in this one godawful cave section that I have no idea what to do with
timber bridge
you mine diamonds
remote coral
Not only that, I always keep getting stuck by my own perfectionism.
Make a WIP lavafall to get a feel for the map? Gotta add texture wobble, down scrolling, slopes and adjusting textures, Sonny Jim!
remote coral
Uh
I recently got this error seeminly out of nowhere.
I have no custom assets put into my map.
I do have imported a couple of custom sprite packs (I think, not 100% sure).
I can still compile the map, and there doesn't seem to be issues.
I can't even find the lump BOS2A2C8 in the zdoom wiki either!
Apparently it's the sprite for the Hell Knight?
I do have one in the map, but it works perfectly fine.
light prism
im not sure that sprite should exist
mirroring is usually done on the same frame name
like BOS2A2A8 yes
remote coral
I wonder why that happened then.
Fingers crossed it won't come back to bite me in the ass.
haughty flower
remote coral
I remember there being a setting for ground/wall textures in GZDoom Builder where one would make the textures "wobble" and distort.
Where has it gone?
I can't find it anywhere, even in the wiki.
The one that can be used to make lava or flesh move slightly.
haughty flower
i think that's an acs feature or something
remote coral
I guess I should just open up one of the maps in Golden Souls 2 I saw it in
and see from there
light prism
silent totem
As always, looks good
light prism
the role of a lifetime
topaz tendon
it'll really get my suggestive background moaning career off the ground
light prism
the pump was more pronounced but it was taking up too much screen space
topaz tendon
I feel like the back and forth motion of the entire gun as he pumps it is a little much
makes it look like he's not strong enough to properly pump it or something
light prism
meh doesnt bother me
it would bother me more if the entire thing was flush/level the whole time
topaz tendon
I mean, that's kind of how it is pumping after a shot, it's fine if it happens while bringing it back to the right position to fire but I'm a fucken twink and I can pump a 12 gauge without it swaying back and forth
light prism
sure but its visually not interesting
look at doom shotgun
does he really need to lift the whole thing up to cock it?
then look at quake shotgun
there's a cock noise but the gun just sorta doesnt move at all
topaz tendon
you could do a slight tilt left, maybe show the shell coming out
light prism
there's no shell, the weapons are energy-based
it shouldnt even have a pump
fits the theme though, the pistol is a revolver
space cowboy stylez
topaz tendon
then just the left tilt
gives it the style points without giving the impression that the dude is weak
light prism
mehhhh
light prism
wary zealot
So, I've created a sort of quick-use melee attack for my mod that's able to be used with all weapons through inheritance and overlays. It works fine and has been implemented for a while, but I'm wondering if there's a good way to make it so it's usable ANY time. Right now it requires the player to enter the zoom state on a weapon with their zoom key, so of course it can't be used in any state that doesn't have A_WeaponReady. In a best case scenario I'd want it to be usable whenever, during weapon switching and reloading, etcetera.
Is there a good way to do this? Or at least a hackjob?
Guncaster's kick (after it's 3.0 update, which aside from extra content and polish converted a lot to zscript) is able to be used in the way I'd like mine to function, but as mentioned it utilizes a bunch of ZScript and ACS, the former I know nothing about and ACS, which I know little of.
silent totem
Hey I'm sorry I'm no help but if you do get this figured out I'd like to try it
light prism
have a 'control state' from the base weapon inheritor that controls A_WeaponReady
make all attack states non-interruptable overlays
wary zealot
Uh... forgive me for being pretty confused.
light prism
make an overlay that is a control state
that way it is never interrupted by anything and can call other overlays
wary zealot
What do you mean by control state?
remote coral
Is this going to be a standalone?
Because the sheer quality of it makes it seem like it.
remote coral
Uh
I opened the same project file with the error on a different computer, and it isn't there anymore.
Huh.
remote coral
What would be a good door for a cave?
silent totem
Normally caves don't have all that many doors
remote coral
but if one were to add something there
The problem is that I can't decide between a crude, mine-esque design
or a facotry/lab built from the remains of a mine
So it just ends up looking like this ugly hybrid
remote coral
Is there a floor equivalent for Ceiling_CrushAndRaise?
As in, the ability to make a floor continuously move up and down without the need for scripting?
Or do I need to open up the script editor for that?
light prism
is it time to finish wormsdoom
remote coral
Is that the project you've been working on this entire time
the one with the tic-tac-toe robot
remote coral
I don't understand this project file.
Now it's berating me about PLAYA2A8.
remote coral
This pit
This
fucking
pit
Took me so much longer than it should have
just because I forgot to change a single fucking number from 1 to 2
haughty flower
Wow!
remote coral
?
orchid crane
All of a sudden doom builder is refusing to save into a specific wad in a specific folder.
Doom builder will save perfectly fine into other files in the same folder, but not this one.
I already tried a computer restart, but no luck. Wtf is wrong here?
light prism
have you followed the instructions in that error box
topaz tendon
is doombuilder the only thing that would reasonably be doing anything with that wad
or is there an off chance you've got gzdoom or something running it
light prism
also why are you trying to save into a skins wad
light prism
is the wad itself a resource of the map you are editing
orchid crane
No the resources are in a different .pk3
orchid crane
I was able to save perfectly fine into my wad in the skins folder with these exact settings before today with no problem
orchid crane
Ja I did that earlier and it saved fine. It only happens in the skins folder. It used to save perfectly fine in skins previously
light prism
doublecheck the permissions on the skins folder
orchid crane
light prism
welp
the file that is there now, does it work as intended?
the only other things i can think is that its corrupted or something else in the background is accessing it (maliciously perhaps)
orchid crane
Hmm. I rarely ever turn on the internet for this laptop and the last time I did was today to download some sounds from realm667
light prism
are you sure you havent been watching any hentai
orchid crane
Im positive lmao 😂
light prism
ok then youre lying and you have it open in slade or something
or you have just omitted a vital detail that could instantly solve this
orchid crane
Not open in slade. It started when I wanted to save an empty copy of e1m1 into it so I could test the sounds I got
orchid crane
ZDL is off too
topaz tendon
checked task manager?
orchid crane
Like I said at the start, I even did a complete computer restart to no avail
Yep I did that too
light prism
sounds like you may have corrupted the file potentially
topaz tendon
hmm... not sure how to help
light prism
can you open it in slade or something
topaz tendon
^
orchid crane
Opens and saves fine in slade
Slade map editor saves fine with it too
A backup I had of it saves fine in DB in skins, so e1m1 probably corrupted it somehow
light prism
fix it then
the only experiences i have had with files corrupting like that is while trying to save them in db while the file is open in slade
or elsewhere
orchid crane
Ja slade was up when it first started happening, BUT, it was not even loaded into slade at the time
I fixed it by simply restoring the backup
remote coral
I love how people use GZDoom and the modding tools as basically just a game development platform
And not just a modding platform
How many different projects are you doing at the moment?
remote coral
Is it possible to make a smooth teleport/area portal on a linedef where there's air above it?
silent totem
What's the best way to include locational damage
light prism
thats a tough question
your choices are pretty minimal
either you transfer the damage with a seperate 'hitbox' actor
or you check the position of the blood/puff, or the player, in relation to the actor in question
checking position is less code than hitboxes tbh
remote coral
I sure do love working with sloped 3D sectors
why am I even doing this shit now, when I haven't even finished the rest of the map's layout?
silent totem
Punishment
remote coral
for doing what
topaz tendon
poor time management skills
remote coral
Still?
Even after all this time?
After I tried to get you to unignore me so I could finally explain the situation and apologize?
I would've apologized a long time ago.
But you just can't seem to let go of the past.
light prism
as i recall i gave you literally three or four pages of chat to say sorry and you refused
remote coral
It's human nature to be unwilling to apologize right after something like that.
One is too mixed up in their thoughts and emotions to think clearly.
I regretted it later. I would've apologized later.
But alas, such an opportunity did not present itself, what with you blocking me.
haughty flower
i don't know what happened but i'm sure this isn't the place for it
remote coral
Well DMs sure ain't a possibility either it seems.
light prism
ideally the mature thing is to just accept the consequences
remote coral
Another way would be to also forgive in time.
Understand how emotions cloud reason.
light prism
shit, does zandro support long filename definitions yet
unique fern
@light prism is there a way to get a polobject to swing upwards, like for a toilet lid.
light prism
nop
polyobjects are not designed to do that
you could use a model though
as long as you dont mind t he collision not being importnat
silent totem
You going for like Duke where everything is interactable?
unique fern
Well, thats why I was hoping to get a polyobject to swing upwards. And yes @silent totem mostly everything in my 3rd map is going to be more intractable than my other 2 maps.
silent totem
You could probably use models for what you want
At some point I might just make something like Godot look like Doom or Build
light prism
nothing can 'swing upwards' in z/doom, the engine just doesnt work that way
the z axis is an afterthought for most things
light prism
but yeah for a toilet like this you could just model the lid
since collision wouldnt be super important
remote coral
That, or if the actual movement isn't crucial, just make the lid instantly raise/recede out of the way and have it replaced with a polyobject resembling a raised toilet lid
unique fern
what can I say, I am putting a "CRAP" ton of detail into this map. Also how would I go about putting a new set of textures into a .WAD?
light prism
put them between TX_START/END markers
remote coral
Are the textures their own .wad file?
If that's the case, can't you just import the textures straight through GZDoom?
unique fern
@light prism , @remote coral that did it. thank you for the help.
remote coral
Which one did you do?
unique fern
soldier of fortune
and I am now going to add redneck rampage
I will probably us RR for something else, it screwed with the normal Doom 2 textures
haughty flower
<-
little wraith
Hey my man
I was thinking about getting into the doom modding scene.
Never used its tools before.
Mind if I ask a few questions?
haughty flower
Go ahead\
little wraith
Have vehicles ever been implemented in any mod as of yet?
haughty flower
yes
little wraith
Interesting.
How difficult would you say the learning curve for mapping with it is?
I enjoy level design with source and Radiant, never used this tool before.
haughty flower
That would depend on your level of intelligence.
It's honestly not that hard if you're dedicated
little wraith
Alright that's pretty fair.
I was hoping to possibly try to create a Halo centered mod in the Doom engine, replacing much of the demons and monsters with Covenant enemies and Halo weapons.
haughty flower
little wraith
Though I did kinda think it may be a bit easier since Doom is an rather old game.
haughty flower
lol
little wraith
Let me just say
I want it to be 8bit in appearance.
Not detailed.
Don't know if that matters or not.
prisma saddle
So NES Styled then?
haughty flower
little wraith
I have no idea how people make sprites and what not but I assumed it's as easy as taking an image in photoshop and doing what you have to do to make it into a sprite. That's not for every project but mine I'm thinking of simply using pixelated edited images.
prisma saddle
There's many methods of making sprites.
prisma saddle
I'd generally not recommend editing photographs for something NES styled though, hand drawing it would probably be a better option in a lot of cases.
little wraith
I admit I'm a tad bit naive when it comes to certain things I don't understand.
Okay so it wouldn't be possible to use an image that has been edited to be of lower graphical quality or "8-bit"?
prisma saddle
No it can be done it's just that it'd require a lot of work to get it looking decent.
little wraith
So it requires more than meets the eye to make something look good in-game then.
I always thought it was as easy as having an image that follows the player whenever they look at it from different angles.
Last question for a bit, but does Doom 2 or any of the other similarly made Doom sequels run on superior versions of the Doom engine and offer anything better or are they not the same?
prisma saddle
Doom 2 is basically the same engine as the first, Final Doom uses a slightly different one and Hexen and Heretic modify it further.
Doom 64 uses a completely different rendering engine.
little wraith
Interesting
So compared to the Halo mod Road had sent in the chat.
I'd prefer to use sprites for any enemies.
3d models and what not in the Doom engine seem weird to me.
Or it's a weird image of a 3d model that is a sprite.
little wraith
yes
I'm surprised no one has made a mod with the doom 3 monsters and weapons.
Of course looking more like classic dooms artstyle rather than 3d models turned into sprite images.
vocal crypt
you mean quake polygons
eh nvm
that should be the # of polygons for a 3D mod
just so there's not a big ass clash
also still keeping the Doom style
little wraith
If I ever do start mapping and such with Doom or Doom 2, I'd prefer to make it look like this..
Not this
vocal crypt
ikr
little wraith
Like that 3d model shit ain't cute y'all
I actually have something to show.
Some of you may like it.
little wraith
I'm sure they could but to me they come off as weird.
silent totem
Oh yeah they're usually poorly done
little wraith
I'm upset
I made an 8bit Doom 3 Imp before
It looked pretty solid in my opinion.
Now it was mostly a proof of concept more than anything.
Showing they can look good if in the style of Doom.
light prism
someone HAS made a mod with doom 3 stuff
called Hunters Moon
but honestly i disapprove of directly ripping and using assets from other games
btw talking about 3d models converted to sprites - youre aware thats pretty much how the original stuff was made, right? latex/clay models on a lazy susan with photos being taken
silent totem
Or just toys for the weapons
A spray painted airsoft beretta, a tootsietoy shotgun, other stuff I don't remember off the top of my head
little wraith
Yes I know.
But even then the sprites from Doom look different.
Compared to what people make when using 3d models.
light prism
honestly i think it just comes down to how much effort is put in
a 3d model in doom can look fine if everything else matches the same style
of course hipoly models are going to look weird if they are mixed in with flat decorations, low res textures and simple map geometry
silent totem
Genetech works because the models and graphics are about quake-quake 2 tier
light prism
the only place flat decorations have in a 3d mod is for fake volumetric effects
little wraith
Here's an example of how a Doom 3 monster could look in Doom's engine as a sprite.
light prism
uhhh that just looks like a ripped model render\
if you really wanted it to 'look like doom' then it would have to be a lot lower resolution and noisier
silent totem
Almost certainly is a ripped model render
light prism
well it is kinda the point
little wraith
It's just an example and of course it'd be something you should mess around with to get right.
light prism
the higher resolution the sprite, the more 'jerky' its animation will appear (more pixel distance between each movement)
this issue is avoided by models due to interpolation
but you cant interpolate sprites
little wraith
So more like this?
light prism
well not really, you cant just 'lower the resolution' - you have to retain the important details
little wraith
I've never made a sprite or made one in the way a professional 3rd party Doom modder would so I clearly don't know much when it comes to this.
How is that done?
light prism
all the photos of original latex/clay models were heavily edited in post in order to be crisp and vivid
well you have to think about what the important details on the monster are and ensure that they stand out
the way i do it to start with is render model with no antialiasing so the edges are all hard
little wraith
Do you have any before and after images?
light prism
im at work
little wraith
Oh my apologies then
light prism
so i only have whats in my dropbox
and i dont think i have anything THAT low resolution in there
little wraith
Fair enough.
haughty flower
Ay folks
I wanted to make a wad for sometime now, but I never programmed a thing in my life, and need to know on how difficult this could be for me.
haughty flower
From my experiences with it, making mods for Doom is extremely easy as opposed to making mods for everything else
light prism
yes
you can make anything your heart desires
just one line, and you're fine, in a wooorld of pure imagination
silent totem
My heart desires fried chicken
light prism
every sidedef you draw brings creaaaatioooooon
come with meeee, and you'll seeee, a new world of crazy machination
though the sectors are free, you're just lending them from me
light prism
anyone want to help test wormsdoom
remote coral
Rip
light prism
topaz tendon
scrub the wiki you charlatan
light prism
breaking news: man dies trying to create swinging polyobject without consulting wiki first
topaz tendon
here we have an eyewitness, sally smarmson
light prism
+extremely long uncomfortable sattelite sync delay+
unique fern
I am curious as to why this is not wanting to work, I have given it an 'Actor' title and an actor number but it still does not want to work. It is either supposed to be an obstacle or a decoration item.
unreal oyster
well you do definitely need to write Actor in front of the actor names
oh, wait, no
okay this is very old decorate format
in the really old format, to define the DoomEdNum, you use the DoomEdNum property
like DoomEdNum 20002 inside the actor
(side note: would heavily recommend avoiding the old format btw but it should be fine for realm667 actors)
hexed sky
heh
unique fern
So it should look like this then?
“Actor CarcassSittingMarine DoomEdNum 20002”
Or put DoomEdNum in a whole new line?
light prism
on a new line
blissful heart
you see that big fire thing in the wall over there
wanna know what happens when you accidentally get archviled into that
light prism
something?
remote coral
You get roasted?
blissful heart
this
remote coral
What map is that
blissful heart
one i am working on
light prism
blissful heart
sweet lord
blissful heart
just testing out texturing for hell levels. opinions?
buoyant heath
looks very hellish
blissful heart
i prefer this style of hell level over whatever doom 2 was trying to do
buoyant heath
it's definately more a long the lines of "Fire & Brimstone"
blissful heart
I've preferred that style of hell map since I first saw scythe's episode 3
buoyant heath
despite playing doom for most of my life, theres still many many wads i never finished
scythe being one of them
blissful heart
where everything is red
buoyant heath
hell, i've not even beaten plutonia and tnt
blissful heart
did you get to e3 in scythe its actually insane
buoyant heath
i probably played a little bit of scythe but not much i bet
blissful heart
some really cool aesthetics in there
buoyant heath
i need to run through the more well known wads myself, they would probably go up on youtube in the end
blissful heart
when i first saw this a while ago it inspired me a little
buoyant heath
That looks pretty cool
blissful heart
that's from 2003
buoyant heath
although if i had one complaint, it's just that, "That's a lot of red"
blissful heart
i like how much red there is because it matches the gameplay
buoyant heath
I just mean that i can envision the development going, "So what is hell like then?" "Red."
i would personally enjoy a bit more variety to it
blissful heart
there is some grey
buoyant heath
xD
blissful heart
and some brown
buoyant heath
i guess it's something 😛
blissful heart
i think theres some symbolism behind the large presence of red
buoyant heath
red is the colour or a number of things that can easily be linked to hell
blissful heart
it is the only colour you see because you are surrounded by it- consumed by another world which is alien to everything you have seen in your life and filled with thousands of beings constantly trying to kill you
buoyant heath
namely hate, anger, lust and things like that although lust may be more pink than red
blissful heart
imagine if you were suddenly taken from your everyday life and thrown into an impossibly large and dangerous world which you couldn't get out of any time soon
the colour of malice bleeds into your eyes
buoyant heath
i wouldn't be angry because that's not me, i would just work with the situation im given, besides if any of us were put there death is nothing but certain
blissful heart
you would be in constant fear
buoyant heath
i've "been" to some very mystical places
fear is only there if you fear the unknown, im more curious than fearful
blissful heart
nothing close to an entire dimension of endless evil
buoyant heath
i mean you would be surprised xD
blissful heart
you would be quite scared if your life was in constant danger
buoyant heath
once i found that out yeah
blissful heart
the presence of the colour red is part of the surprise
buoyant heath
but us mere humans couldn't do much about that
blissful heart
you can if you have a shotgun
buoyant heath
i doubt just a shotgun would save us there xD
blissful heart
anyhow that is the inspiration that scythe has given me when it comes to mapping
buoyant heath
well if it's what you like, go do it ^_^ It does look cool
remote coral
@blissful heart what wall texture is that for that lava tunnel
remote coral
eh, just link the pack
blissful heart
it's not a pack
remote coral
well what is it then
blissful heart
its a remake of e1
remote coral
whatever it is, link it
light prism
anyone want to help test wormsdoom
light prism
remote coral
right
What part of this is even Doom anymore
remote coral
Magic
light prism
its all just actors
timber bridge
nice movie
light prism
it runs through a optimization script to make it so large filled areas are only a single block
pine dew
I'm struggling with sounds in ACS, I play a sound using LocalAmbientSound, and I am trying to find a way to stop that sound later, is that even possible?
light prism
not easily with localambientsound
pine dew
define "not easily"?
should I use PlaySound? my problem with that is , I use localambientsound because I do not want other players to hear that sound.
light prism
is it music?
pine dew
no, it is just a sound, how should I describe it, it is like an item sound
light prism
but it loops?
pine dew
no it does not loop
the thing is, in gzdoom, the next sound automatically stops that sound, but in zandronum it doesnt stop that sound, and they both play, which is annoying
light prism
you could try $singular in SNDINFO
then have the sound play once, then play it again at 0 volume
pine dew
cool, I'll try that!
:S it doesn't seem to be working, now they will both play even in gzdoom
lmao
light prism
is this sound kind of announcer speech or something?
pine dew
its like a loading sound, I have to "stop" it if it reaches 100%
(a counter reaches 100%)
light prism
well another method if you only want that player to hear it
is to have the player spawn a clientside actor and then play the sound from that actor
then you could just override the channel its using to cut it off
but thats pretty convoluted
pine dew
to be honest, it is a bit weird that I am unable to do this
pine dew
it gives items to the player
its almost the same as if the player got ammo
and if the player's ammo is full then the sound should stop
light prism
so its like a crate pickup or something?
pine dew
there is a looping script in the background which gives the ammo back
light prism
so its like, you stand on it/pick it up and it just slowly ups your ammo to max?
pine dew
well yeah
As soon as the charging or "item giving" begins, a sound will play, but if you have 99% ammo, it should only play until it reaches 100%
and when it reaches 100% a FULL sound will play
both is LocalAmbientSound
I give up 😂
light prism
why not just make the loading sound shorter
pine dew
yea, that's what I did now 😄
light prism
w
just testing random spawn placement (it was dumping excess marines in the water before)
timber bridge
floor gone, yikes
topaz tendon
the floor is not
light prism
eeh
im still looking for a good zandro-compatible method to have a bouncing actor that can rebounce after it has settled
MBFBOUNCER claims that it does this however it doesnt seem to
i just want it so that mines can be shot and then bounce around and settle again
currently im using DOOMBOUNCE with BounceCount 0x7FFFFFF
lapis fern
I DID IT I MANAGE TO BRING BACK GAME DLL SUPPORT ON DOOM 3 BFG
light prism
haughty flower
map ebola?
remote coral
Minecraft font
prisma saddle
Radical.
topaz tendon
map epitor
light prism
silent totem
Thanks
timber bridge
ok this is epic
light prism
topaz tendon
woams doom?
light prism
eat a vagetti sandwich
topaz tendon
vargoba
light prism
timber bridge
doomtale
light prism
random latch
YES
latent karma
any of u lads use slade for map/mod making?
latent karma
i like doom builder, but id like to make some custom weapons and what not, and it seems i cant do so on doom builder.
light prism
you can use slade, but its not entirely necessary
mostly i just make a pk3/ folder and follow the file structure conventions, then run that folder directly
latent karma
What do people use for mod making?
light prism
i use notepad++, blender, photoshop, fl studio
light prism
remote coral
jesus
just how many projects do you work on at once
there's wormsdoom
This
That one FPS map with the tic-tac-toe robot
light prism
ok wtf
are there any prerequisites for an actor to be able to be Thing_Damage'd?
I have +ISMONSTER and +SHOOTABLE
okay nevermind... they need a radius/height too...
light prism
lapis fern
Meanwhile on Classic RBDoom Freelook for Doom 1 &2 is on the works
light prism
heh
timber bridge
that looks more like noclip
lapis fern
This was my first attempt in which I tried to apparently warp the height of the word based on mouse movement
Well at least now the only issue I have is that puffs from attacks don't show on floor
remote coral
?
lapis fern
???
light prism
remote coral
Jell-o monsters
novel aurora
How do I bind a keycard color to a switch to do something like lower a floor or raise a bridge?
blissful heart
stick the switch behind a locked door does the trick
depends on what config youre using
light prism
oak kindle
my dumb ass cant figure out how to make decent looking maps
blech
does that look ok to u guys?
oak kindle
gAAH WHY IS MAKING DECORATE SCRIPTS HARD
ok whast the ffuck am i doing wrong here fellas
{
Weapon.SelectionOrder 3700
Weapon.Kickback 100
Obituary "$OB_MPFIST"
Tag "$TAG_FIST"
+WEAPON.WIMPY_WEAPON
+WEAPON.MELEEWEAPON
States
{
Ready:
KNIF A 1 A_WeaponReady
Loop
Deselect:
KNIF A 1 A_Lower
Loop
Select:
KNIF A 1 A_Raise
Loop
Fire:
KNIF B 4
KNIF C 4 A_Punch
KNIF D 5 A_playsound("weapon/knifmiss",CHAN_WEAPON,0.7) //i think this works?
KNIF G C 4
KNIF G B 5 A_ReFire
Goto Ready
}
}
i just wanna replace the fist with this knife
its giving me this error
can someone please help me because i am mad as fuck
remote coral
@oak kindle I'm seeing that the map you're making is really linear
there's literally a chain of rooms connected with thin hallways
and only one alternate path
oak kindle
hmm yeah i see what you mean
what should i add onto it or change?
@remote coral
mazes? more complex rooms?
remote coral
Get inspiration from existing doom maps.
They're often much more sprawling.
Although you're meant to technically follow a single path, it intertwines around the map.
Different parts of the map slowly get uncovered and transform into entirely new areas as you fight your way further.
As for making the map seem less linear, take those chained together rooms for example.
For instance, that stone room with the red circle could be directly adjacent to the large brown room, but higher up and separated by a fence.
oak kindle
lemme send u the map cause its kinda whard to get a whole sorta idea off of the 2d image
dusk terrace
yo why dont skyboxes work
only works when i put the f_sky on the ceiling
im using the skybox viewpoint thingy
hexed sky
because f_sky only works for floors and ceilings
to make the ceiling extend down towards the floor you need to make a 0 height sector surrounding the sky ceiling with empty upper textures
you can look at map01 of doom 2 for an example of how it's done
remote coral
@lapis fern What is this project you're doing?
lapis fern
@remote coral What you see is what you get a source port that restore content & improve Doom 3 BFG Edition
light prism
surreal path
Papyrus is basically Cirno with the appearance of a Revenant
golden drum
@oak kindle You should upload the WAD or post some screens in 3d
The sector view isn't really much to go on
plush solstice
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/461597592825102369/534192557832536064/unknown.png I use too much of one color I think.
light prism
dog poo white
oak kindle
yo anyone got a doom palette .act?
light prism
oak kindle
Thanks man!
oak kindle
let's play FIND WHAT I DID WRONG WHILE FOLLOWING A TUTORIAL!
{
Inventory.PickupMessage "You got the Auto Shotgun! Boom, boom, boom."
Weapon.AmmoType "Shell"
Weapon.AmmoUse 1
Weapon.AmmoGive 16
Weapon.SlotNumber 3
AttackSound "weapons/shotgf"
States
{
Spawn:
SHOT A -1
Stop
Ready:
SHTG B 1 A_WeaponReady
Loop
Select:
SHTG A 1 A_Raise
Loop
Deselect:
SHTG A 1 A_Lower
Loop
Fire:
SHTG A 0 A_GunFlash
SHTG A 1 A_FireBullets(5.5, 3, 8, 4, "BulletPuff", 1)
SHTG A 1 Offset(0,40)
SHTG A 1 Offset(0,48)
SHTG A 1 Offset(0,44)
SHTG A 1 Offset(0,40)
SHTG A 1 Offset(0,37)
SHTG A 1 Offset(0,35)
SHTG A 3
Goto Ready
Flash:
SHTF A 2 BRIGHT A_Light2
SHTF B 2 BRIGHT A_Light1
TNT1 A 1 A_Light0
Goto LightDone
}
}```do you get an error in console
or does it just not behave how you want
you know you cant just outright replace a weapon, right?
oak kindle
fuck
oak kindle
end me
oak kindle
this is what i get
light prism
uhhhhh
is your code inside a DECORATE lump
is that DECORATE lump outside of any marker ranges (_START _END) if inside a .WAD, otherwise is it in the root directory of a PK3
oak kindle
the decorate lump is outside of marker ranges
there arent any
did i fuck up in 17 ways?
light prism
screenshot of wad structure plz
oak kindle
light prism
try changing the inheritance from : Weapon to : DoomWeapon
shouldnt make a difference but meh
also try saving and closing your wad before running it
light prism
only one mistake
you put a full stop after 3 instead of a comma
in the mapinfo
it works other than that
just do 'give all' and hit 3 once
oak kindle
aaaaah
im a dumbass
weird
it doesnt show up
idk whats goin on
what does it look like on your side?
light prism
are you sure youre running the right wad
i see the gun in its ready state as one of the reload frames (sorta holding it up)
oak kindle
hm
light prism
and the fire state is greatly decreased in length
oak kindle
its not showing up for me
light prism
save it in slade and close slade entirely
then just doubleclick open it (if thats associated with gzdoom)
light prism
if thats still not working, update your gzdoom
i dont know, im just making guesses
i dont usually use slade except to align offsets
light prism
pk3 > wad
uncompressed regular old folder > pk3 > wad
in fact just dump your .txt lumps in a 'myproject/pk3' folder then run the pk3 folder (drag it onto gzdoom or make a batch/shortcut to it)
then nothing is holding sway over your precious files, or threatening to corrupt them by having them open while you modify them in some other program
oak kindle
well the problem is im a dumbass who cant figure out how pk3s work
light prism
they are literally just zip files of a folder structure
but you dont even need to zip them, like i said, you can just run folders
so like
myproject/pk3/sprites, myproject/pk3/textures, etc
all the base lumps (decorate, mapinfo, etc) go in the root pk3/ folder
then when you want to share it, you can zip it into a .pk3
oak kindle
hmm
light prism
oak kindle
doomtale?
light prism
sadly no, that name is already taken
oak kindle
rip
light prism
smoke a joint
light prism
that has nothing to do with you being australian
thats just your lack of contacts
just go out onto the street and yell 'anyone got weed'
oak kindle
i also got no money :\
light prism
be prepared to fellate
oak kindle
fuck
does this look ok for a hand sprite? i havent palleted it
ok the shadows are giving me a hard time
Blech
how would i do custom weapon sounds?
nvm! found a tutorial
light prism
you don't
you pick maybe 60 of them and let interpolation do the rest
on a model at least
on a sprite, well
ya fucked, son
light prism
because he's an all or nothing kinda guy