#classic-doom-maps-mods | DOOM | Page 81

timber bridge May 9, 2018, 9:57 PM

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gernade

vocal crypt May 10, 2018, 1:25 AM

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oh

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what's a recommended size for sky textures

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or do I go with a simple 64x64

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because you can very obviously the texture I have rn cuts off.

light prism May 10, 2018, 3:24 AM

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@vocal crypt - https://zdoom.org/wiki/Sky_stretching

Sky stretching

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also change your fucking name so i dont accidentally notify someone else

coarse quail May 10, 2018, 10:49 AM

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I actually am pondering to learn doom mapping with Doom Builder and thus starting in Vanilla. Then again i ponder this for years now, and i have yet so many other interests.

light prism May 10, 2018, 10:28 PM

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do it

vocal crypt May 10, 2018, 11:24 PM

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Tips to improve dat mountain?

📎 Base_Profile_Screenshot_2018.05.10_-_18.21.56.66.png

hidden lagoon May 11, 2018, 12:36 AM

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what mountain

timber bridge May 11, 2018, 12:47 AM

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here boi

📎 unknown.png

prisma saddle May 11, 2018, 1:18 AM

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Well. it looks more like a hill than a mountain.

light prism May 11, 2018, 1:27 AM

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is it in a playable area?

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if not, use a texture of a hill on a line

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cheaper and will look better, if a tad flat from certain angles

vocal crypt May 11, 2018, 2:02 AM

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Mkay

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Gon to have to find one with a transparent background.

light prism May 11, 2018, 2:11 AM

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https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=mountain+texture+alpha&rlz=1C1KYPB_enNZ714NZ714&oq=mountain+texture+alpha&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.3470j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

vocal crypt May 11, 2018, 2:12 AM

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you's in NZ?

prisma saddle May 11, 2018, 2:12 AM

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Yeah.

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He is.

vocal crypt May 11, 2018, 2:12 AM

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TIL.

light prism May 11, 2018, 2:12 AM

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youse fullahs

vocal crypt May 11, 2018, 2:21 AM

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Damned it

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not sure how to use it for transparency in Slade

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or some shit

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rather

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it's showing the checkerboard transparency thing

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oh...

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the damn checkerboard thing is a part of the image

light prism May 11, 2018, 2:23 AM

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lol

vocal crypt May 11, 2018, 2:23 AM

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and not the would be place for transparency

light prism May 11, 2018, 2:23 AM

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did you just

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copy image

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from right click menu

vocal crypt May 11, 2018, 2:23 AM

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no, downloaded it

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save image as

light prism May 11, 2018, 2:23 AM

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oh, it must be their preview or somethin

vocal crypt May 11, 2018, 2:24 AM

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augh

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downloading it from their website needs login to download

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and shit

light prism May 11, 2018, 2:24 AM

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owned

vocal crypt May 11, 2018, 2:25 AM

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all from damn Textures.Com

light prism May 11, 2018, 2:25 AM

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errr make an account

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that website is useful

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and plenty of free stuff

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its where i pulled a lot of leaf/grass textures

vocal crypt May 11, 2018, 2:29 AM

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TIL.

light prism May 11, 2018, 2:29 AM

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for this shit

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📎 Screenshot_Doom_20180501_234657.png

prisma saddle May 11, 2018, 2:31 AM

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I personally use Poliigon,

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Though that does require a subscription and such.

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That site is pretty much comprised of PBR ready textures, so it's a good resource for things I guess.

vocal crypt May 11, 2018, 2:35 AM

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visual clash much? (I don't mean the cutoff at the right, I can obscure that)

📎 Base_Profile_Screenshot_2018.05.10_-_21.34.33.66.png

prisma saddle May 11, 2018, 2:36 AM

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I'd say open it up in Photoshop and compress it to the DooM palette, and maybe tweak the colours.

vocal crypt May 11, 2018, 2:37 AM

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converting it to Doom paletted GFX seems to have made less jarring

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might need further compression tho

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what would I compress it to

light prism May 11, 2018, 2:39 AM

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i think he meant 'convert'

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not really 'compress'

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though converting it to indexed palette does usually result in some file size reduction

prisma saddle May 11, 2018, 2:40 AM

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Oops, yeah I meant convert.

vocal crypt May 11, 2018, 2:42 AM

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bit better, but I can't help but have a jarring feeling.

📎 Base_Profile_Screenshot_2018.05.10_-_21.42.38.21.png

wintry pelican May 11, 2018, 2:43 AM

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I think it looks fine

shadow bone May 11, 2018, 2:44 AM

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The only problem is it doesn't match the skybox

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Just fix the colors and fading a bit

vocal crypt May 11, 2018, 2:47 AM

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eh

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maybe I use another skybox

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might have to remove the yellow colour though

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so might just go with plain blue

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er

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plain blue for the skybox

vocal crypt May 11, 2018, 3:07 AM

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Oh god damned it

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converting this blue sky to doom graphic format makes it gray

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WTF

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Why is one picture still having colour

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but the other doesn't

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Got any suggestions, Cali?

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I really don't want to ping you

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ug

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@shadow bone

light prism May 11, 2018, 3:33 AM

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im at work ya dingus

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the doom palette does not have a good range of cyan-blues

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so they show up as grey

vocal crypt May 11, 2018, 3:34 AM

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oh.

light prism May 11, 2018, 3:34 AM

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under gzdoom you are not limited to doom palette though

vocal crypt May 11, 2018, 3:34 AM

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yeh, but it'd clash with the mountain

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which has the doom pallete.

light prism May 11, 2018, 3:34 AM

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then make the sky like uhh

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light green or something

vocal crypt May 11, 2018, 3:35 AM

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That's....a weird colour.

light prism May 11, 2018, 3:35 AM

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https://zdoom.org/wiki/Palette

Palette

vocal crypt May 11, 2018, 3:35 AM

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Either way

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I probably should use the regular mountains then.

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also uh

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using MAPINFO to use a sky texture isn't working apparently.

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just shows F_SKY1

light prism May 11, 2018, 3:40 AM

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WHAT

vocal crypt May 11, 2018, 3:40 AM

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did I commit a map-mod-dev sin

light prism May 11, 2018, 3:40 AM

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no i had capslock on

vocal crypt May 11, 2018, 3:40 AM

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oh

light prism May 11, 2018, 3:41 AM

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show mapinfo

vocal crypt May 11, 2018, 3:41 AM

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{
    Music = "D_E1M8"
    LevelNum = 01
    ResetItems
    SKY1= "F_SKY9",0.0
}```

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I named it F_SKY9 just so it wouldn't conflict

light prism May 11, 2018, 3:45 AM

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UHHH

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are you actually on map ShootingRange

vocal crypt May 11, 2018, 3:45 AM

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yes

light prism May 11, 2018, 3:46 AM

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what is the map lump name of the map you are testing on

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show me

vocal crypt May 11, 2018, 3:46 AM

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Fuck you've lost me rip

light prism May 11, 2018, 3:46 AM

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try Map MAP01 "ShootingRange"

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you can see the actual map number by pressing f2 in gzdb

vocal crypt May 11, 2018, 3:46 AM

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oh, I have it in a seperate episode

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it's MAP 01

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level name

light prism May 11, 2018, 3:47 AM

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ya dingus

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do what i said then

vocal crypt May 11, 2018, 3:47 AM

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entryway

light prism May 11, 2018, 3:47 AM

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dingus malingus

vocal crypt May 11, 2018, 3:47 AM

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Stop calling me names please.

light prism May 11, 2018, 3:48 AM

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ok melvin

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just change the first line to Map MAP01 "ShootingRange"

vocal crypt May 11, 2018, 3:49 AM

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I have the map itself in a seperate episode though

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or is that not going to do shit

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at all

light prism May 11, 2018, 3:50 AM

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do what i say and then come at me with buts

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after

vocal crypt May 11, 2018, 3:50 AM

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doing that, if I go into regular HoE episode, it doesn't have the map itself

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but the music

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and the sky texture

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otherwise normal entryway

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going into the shooting range episode, it's the regular F_SKY2 texture

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and no music

light prism May 11, 2018, 3:51 AM

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how mungy

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im not sure how you have the map defined in the actual map wad

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is it MAP 01 with the space?

vocal crypt May 11, 2018, 3:52 AM

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no spaces apparently

light prism May 11, 2018, 3:52 AM

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ech

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im at work and i have to do work

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finish in half an hour

wintry pelican May 11, 2018, 4:07 AM

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what game is this?

vocal crypt May 11, 2018, 4:07 AM

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Doom, classic one.

wintry pelican May 11, 2018, 4:08 AM

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on PC?

vocal crypt May 11, 2018, 4:08 AM

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no, PSX /s

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yes, PC.

wintry pelican May 11, 2018, 4:08 AM

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does it lag..?

vocal crypt May 11, 2018, 4:09 AM

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shouldn't on modern hardware.

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Vanilla at least.

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If you add mods that's another beast.

wintry pelican May 11, 2018, 4:09 AM

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I have a potato laptop, will it run it?

vocal crypt May 11, 2018, 4:09 AM

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Probably.

wintry pelican May 11, 2018, 4:10 AM

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thanks for the info

light prism May 11, 2018, 6:42 AM

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so... what are you wearing?

red peak May 11, 2018, 2:10 PM

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I made a simple ammo pack with a custom sprite and two kinds of ammunition.

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The game loads fine, but upon summoning the item GzDoom freezes.

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Why?

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Here's a shot of the code

📎 unknown.png

shadow bone May 11, 2018, 2:40 PM

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@red peak Your spawn state is a zero-tick loop

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It needs to be at least 1 tick

red peak May 11, 2018, 2:48 PM

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I see

shadow bone May 11, 2018, 3:06 PM

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That's actually a good thing to check in general if the game locks up instead of crashing.

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Zero-length loops aren't caught by the engine (except in ACS) so they basically chew up the entire processor running millions of useless cycles and not letting anything else "have a turn"

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So anything that infinitely loops without an exit state should have a delay somewhere to prevent it from running away

hexed sky May 11, 2018, 3:16 PM

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if I had a dime for every time I see someone do a zero-tic loop...

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... I'd have a lot of clones of a doom speedrunner

shadow bone May 11, 2018, 3:21 PM

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Nah, you gotta get a dime for every iteration of the zero-tic loop before the user kills it 😛

hexed sky May 11, 2018, 3:24 PM

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lol

light prism May 11, 2018, 3:24 PM

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if i had a dime for every time someone hypothesized that they had a dime for every time something happened

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p.s. there's no reason for that spawn state to even be looped

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it should just be -1 stop

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KITT A -1 Bright
stop```

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like that

red peak May 11, 2018, 3:33 PM

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Well, it doesn't freeze anymore. But now it's invisible and has no pickup sound.

📎 unknown.png

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Here's the code now as well as the names of the sound file and the sprite.

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The second decorate file is for a random spawner.

light prism May 11, 2018, 9:47 PM

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@red peak - That sprite isn't inside S_ markers

vocal crypt May 12, 2018, 12:40 AM

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Looks nice.

📎 Base_Profile_Screenshot_2018.05.11_-_19.39.29.06.png

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IMO

red peak May 12, 2018, 4:04 AM

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gm_construct

light prism May 12, 2018, 4:40 AM

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nice job

wintry pelican May 12, 2018, 4:40 AM

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it doesnt look hellish but its good

light prism May 12, 2018, 10:01 AM

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📎 Screenshot_Doom_20180512_220031.png

coarse quail May 12, 2018, 10:58 AM

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@light prism That actually looks dope,. what is it from?

light prism May 12, 2018, 11:39 AM

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something im making

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slowly working on more nature assets

coarse quail May 12, 2018, 11:47 AM

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I get some weird Witchaven/Magic vibes out of it.

vocal crypt May 12, 2018, 1:09 PM

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@wintry pelican tbf, not intended to be in hell

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just some random ass UAC "base"

acoustic tusk May 12, 2018, 6:47 PM

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Composer and sfx guy here looking for work

wintry pelican May 12, 2018, 9:09 PM

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fair enough

true lion May 13, 2018, 9:43 PM

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Trying to make a weapon that lets the player dash in a direction

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My initial theory on it is giving the player an item that increases their speed for a fraction of a second

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Has anyone done this before with a better method?

shadow bone May 13, 2018, 9:47 PM

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I'm pretty sure in DECORATE, ZScript, and ACS, you can set the player's Speed variable

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which is a simple multipler for their overall movement

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so 0.5 is half speed, 1.5 is double speed

true lion May 13, 2018, 9:48 PM

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I believe that works if you're setting a player class

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But is there a way for a state in a weapon to affect your speed?

light prism May 13, 2018, 9:49 PM

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meh

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ive always just used thrustthing for dashing

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since a dash is an uncontrolled movement that you cant just halt or change direction midway

true lion May 13, 2018, 9:50 PM

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Will it dash based on the direction the player is moving, or where they are facing?

shadow bone May 13, 2018, 10:17 PM

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You can thrust on an arbitrary angle

light prism May 14, 2018, 12:40 AM

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there is a calculation for that

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since thrustthing takes byte angle

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ThrustThing(angle*256/360, 0, 0, 0)

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that will thrust at whatever angle you are facing

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add 64, 128 or 192 to modify by 90/180/270 degrees

light prism May 14, 2018, 12:06 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/l8GMBQI.gifv

Imgur

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more plantses

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📎 Screenshot_Doom_20180514_235547.png

true lion May 15, 2018, 4:52 AM

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Those trees look mighty fine

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I've also given up on the dash altfire for now. I was trying to have the altfire for a kinfe weapon dash in whichever direction you were moving in, independent of where you were facing

light prism May 15, 2018, 7:42 AM

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show me

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@true lion

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pastebin ur stuffs

shadow bone May 15, 2018, 1:19 PM

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Agreed, that should be fairly simple

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In fact, I think if you're using ZScript you can just do vel *= 1.5;

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Multiply your current velocity by 1.5 on all axis

light prism May 15, 2018, 8:40 PM

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yeah i figured there would be a simple method like that

true lion May 16, 2018, 2:16 AM

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hm

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Also, Id show you, but I erased the altfire code because the thing I was doing was ruining everything

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I tried giving a speed powerup every time the knife was used, resulted in a lot of flashing, permanently bugged animations, and no actual speed boost

light prism May 16, 2018, 2:42 AM

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ya ding dang dungus

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that sounds like the hacky way

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are you going for zandro compatibility or something?

true lion May 16, 2018, 4:56 AM

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Yes

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Its a multiplayer-focused mod

light prism May 16, 2018, 6:15 AM

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ah ok

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you said you deleted everything?

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of the altfire

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can you pastebin the weapon decorate?

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ThrustThing(atan2(vely, velx)*256/360, 16, 0, 0)

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should work?

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@true lion

true lion May 17, 2018, 1:30 AM

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Ahoy, sorry about that, I secretly left after posting that

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One second...

light prism May 17, 2018, 1:30 AM

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you bastard

true lion May 17, 2018, 1:31 AM

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https://pastebin.com/55hrbYmY

Pastebin

actor Knife : Weapon { weapon.selectionorder 9 +WEAPON.MELE...

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Behold, the ultimate knife code

light prism May 17, 2018, 1:31 AM

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well im at work now

true lion May 17, 2018, 1:31 AM

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you bastard

light prism May 17, 2018, 1:31 AM

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so do you just have a script checking for knifedash and changing speed?

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the above angle calculation should return vector angle based on speed

true lion May 17, 2018, 1:32 AM

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I have an altfire that gives an inventory item that alters a jump stat in the player class to initiate an animation

light prism May 17, 2018, 1:32 AM

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which means you can thrust by their current movement direction regardless of facing angle

true lion May 17, 2018, 1:32 AM

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THe item also increases speed by like 6x for a fraction of a second

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The only thing that sort of worked was the animation, except it permanently did the animation

light prism May 17, 2018, 1:33 AM

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sounds like a you problem

true lion May 17, 2018, 1:33 AM

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Probably

light prism May 17, 2018, 1:33 AM

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you probably didn't goto See or something at the end of it

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or remove the item so it just set you back there

true lion May 17, 2018, 1:34 AM

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Nah man Doom is a flawed game, DECORATE is awful and the english language itself is out to get me

light prism May 17, 2018, 1:34 AM

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a coding language by itself can't be to blame though

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only your use of it

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like if I said "1 + 1 = 3" that doesnt mean mathematics is flawed

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just my application of it

true lion May 17, 2018, 1:35 AM

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You know what does prove that mathematics are flawed?

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(1 / 3) * 3 doesn't equal 1

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Unless you use fractions

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Which pfft

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But I digress, I'm going to take another crack at it next week. I'm spending most of my freetime this week practicing for a 40 tournament

light prism May 17, 2018, 1:37 AM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irrational_number

Irrational number

In mathematics, the irrational numbers are all the real numbers which are not rational numbers, the latter being the numbers constructed from ratios (or fractions) of integers. When the ratio of lengths of two line segments is an irrational numbe...

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plz

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all that proves is your calculator of choice doesn't store infinite numerals

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any computational system must, by definition, quantize to a set number of bits

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its called loss of precision

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ya ding dang dungus

true lion May 17, 2018, 1:39 AM

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Yeah but

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What has math done for me lately?

vocal crypt May 17, 2018, 1:39 AM

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how do you add things.

light prism May 17, 2018, 1:40 AM

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+sits at computer typing over the internet+

vocal crypt May 17, 2018, 1:40 AM

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Like one spoon and another spoon.

light prism May 17, 2018, 1:40 AM

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+takes for granted+

vocal crypt May 17, 2018, 1:40 AM

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also that^

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if you want to go deeper

true lion May 17, 2018, 1:40 AM

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You old fool, I'm using a tin can and a really tight string to send these messages

light prism May 17, 2018, 1:40 AM

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oh so youre using physics

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practical application of acoustic theorem

true lion May 17, 2018, 1:41 AM

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That's what the government and the bigwigs over at Big Physics want you to think.

light prism May 17, 2018, 1:42 AM

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also @vocal crypt you would have to choose an aspect of 'spoons' to add together

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if you add the concept of a spoon to another spoon, you have two spoons

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if you add their mass together, etc etc

vocal crypt May 17, 2018, 1:42 AM

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The number of spoons then

true lion May 17, 2018, 1:42 AM

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Math is just a theory

light prism May 17, 2018, 1:42 AM

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math is not a theory

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its a form of study

true lion May 17, 2018, 1:44 AM

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I'd like to see you prove it without using any government-established "facts"

light prism May 17, 2018, 1:45 AM

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i smoke a fuckton of pot

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and you, sir, need to do less drugs

true lion May 17, 2018, 1:46 AM

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One of my roommates lives by this logic

light prism May 17, 2018, 1:46 AM

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my gf's brother thinks the government is sending spy drones after him

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self important delusional fuck

vocal crypt May 17, 2018, 1:46 AM

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he's not wrong about being spied on

light prism May 17, 2018, 1:47 AM

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why would they spend tax dollars on spy drones

true lion May 17, 2018, 1:47 AM

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If the government, or a corporation, or a scientist, or a istorian, or anyone more qualified than him says something, its invalid and can't be used.

vocal crypt May 17, 2018, 1:47 AM

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but drones? too discrete.

light prism May 17, 2018, 1:47 AM

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drones are not discrete

vocal crypt May 17, 2018, 1:47 AM

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I meant the NSA type of spying

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ugh

light prism May 17, 2018, 1:47 AM

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you can hear them flying around

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it would be cheaper to just hide a dude in the bushes with binoculars

vocal crypt May 17, 2018, 1:47 AM

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I meant the "distinct" version

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or some shit

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I'm just goin off the google dictionary

true lion May 17, 2018, 1:48 AM

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The government is a sun cult that will kill you if you try to go to the north or south pole

light prism May 17, 2018, 1:48 AM

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the jewish illuminati gangsters

vocal crypt May 17, 2018, 1:48 AM

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Expect jewish mafia.

true lion May 17, 2018, 1:49 AM

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Australia isn't real, and any australian you know is a paid actor

vocal crypt May 17, 2018, 1:49 AM

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a paid actor from Wales /s

true lion May 17, 2018, 1:50 AM

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A video of clouds going in front of the sun with the sun shining through is proof that the earth is flat

light prism May 17, 2018, 1:53 AM

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ok this is getting #172869448863055872-y

light prism May 17, 2018, 8:03 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/agz1Qc0.gifv

Imgur

dusk terrace May 18, 2018, 6:46 PM

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some unfinished mess of an unnamed mod

📎 unnamed.pk3

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changes the pistol, shotgun and super shotgun

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adds new rifles and other smg crap

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and also an zombieman with 5 new deaths

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but im going to add more

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and also add some kind of blood effect

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in the works for 3 days

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(of course i did not make the graphics, i have no drawing talent)

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example of new death

📎 unknown.png

vocal crypt May 18, 2018, 10:28 PM

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The guns seem inconsistent

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one gun recoils

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most of em down

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don't*

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and some guns where IMO a recoil would be expected

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there aren't

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ex. Minigun

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the M4/M16 seems awkward as well.

wet rover May 19, 2018, 12:41 AM

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does anyone know how to change DropItems to "None" inside a function in zscript?

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nevermind, after digging a little it seems that it isn't very possible or even useful

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anyone know how to stop a specific actor from dropping items?

light prism May 19, 2018, 12:54 AM

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doesnt that stuff go in the default block?

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in which case, cant you override the default block

wet rover May 19, 2018, 1:27 AM

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not override

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i want to make it so that some of the enemies, if you call function x on them, makes it so that they don't drop anything

light prism May 19, 2018, 1:43 AM

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what makes the drop actually execute

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a_die?

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or just being in the deah state

dusk terrace May 19, 2018, 7:11 PM

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new version now all weapons ive done yet have recoil and there are new ammo types

📎 unnamed.pk3

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adding kicking

dusk terrace May 19, 2018, 7:32 PM

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now there is kicking but only implemented in the pistol

📎 unnamed.pk3

vocal crypt May 19, 2018, 8:44 PM

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you forgot the SMG sound effect

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one of them

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and the rocket launcher sprite seems to be glitched when it's firing

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also, the recoil on some of the guns doesn't seem to make sense

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the recoil on the pistol seems more fitting if it was on a shotgun

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oh

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you forgot to change one of the sprites for the zombieman

light prism May 20, 2018, 4:50 AM

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how the heck do i make skull key locked doors in classic doom format

unreal oyster May 20, 2018, 7:02 AM

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you can't, doors are locked by only colour in vanilla

light prism May 20, 2018, 7:11 AM

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so its set by what, episode?

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or a locked (red) will take either red card or skull

unreal oyster May 20, 2018, 7:15 AM

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the latter

dusk terrace May 20, 2018, 7:47 AM

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the mp5sd sound is broken for some reason i have it in the sounds folder and defined in sndinfo but it does not play the sound

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and the reason why the rocket launcher sprites are glitched is that i just added the graphics but not made the decorate for it yet

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and ill fix the recoil on the pistol when i get on my pc

light prism May 20, 2018, 8:09 AM

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what format of sound is it

dusk terrace May 20, 2018, 9:25 AM

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wav

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also tried ogg before

haughty flower May 20, 2018, 8:12 PM

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@dusk terrace Is that a gun from Shadow Warrior?

light prism May 20, 2018, 10:46 PM

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mmm could be the particular formatting of the file

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like bitrate/freq etc

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i noticed that using VBR with OGG tended to make files not work

unreal oyster May 21, 2018, 2:46 PM

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@light prism hey, for that lightning weapon in #showroom-archive i've been requested to make enemies that weren't killed by the bolts to have a puff of smoke come off them to indicate that they were "burnt", as visual feedback - i remember you rendering me some water splash sprites and i was wondering if you could pull off something like that but for this?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxGQ2X8NE20 something like this, but way faster and with no cutoff at the top

YouTube

Matt f

Smoke Animation

Smoke anim.

▶ Play video

cerulean frigate May 21, 2018, 5:11 PM

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Is it possible to make PBR work on textures that have special effects applied to them in gzdoom?

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Like this one

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https://imgur.com/wr4uWuD

Imgur

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I tried to set up PBR on this texture, but it wouldn't show up

shadow bone May 21, 2018, 5:16 PM

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To my knowledge, no.

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The warping is a shader effect, and I don't think multiple shaders can be stacked on a texture

cerulean frigate May 21, 2018, 5:22 PM

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Is there a way to turn off the effect so the texture shows up normal with PBR applied?

shadow bone May 21, 2018, 5:32 PM

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The warping is defined in ANIMDEFS, so it's being done by whatever other mods you have loaded.

cerulean frigate May 21, 2018, 5:39 PM

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Alright

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Thanks for the help

light prism May 21, 2018, 6:37 PM

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sure

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whups

vocal crypt May 22, 2018, 10:45 PM

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ugh

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seems I'm too ambitious for my skill level to catch up

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or rather

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too ambitious for my skill

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get what I mean

light prism May 22, 2018, 11:08 PM

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too big for your britches?

vocal crypt May 22, 2018, 11:09 PM

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I meant my skill is lousy for my ambitions. Terrible ambitions yes.

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the little skill I have.

light prism May 22, 2018, 11:25 PM

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then keep trying

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maybe smoke a phat bowl

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that usually helps

vocal crypt May 22, 2018, 11:25 PM

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IDK what a phat bowl is

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and I don't do drugs.

light prism May 22, 2018, 11:33 PM

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MORE FOR ME

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creepy disney villain laugh

vocal crypt May 22, 2018, 11:34 PM

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I have thought of some sniping mod with that M40 from R667.

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IDK

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It'd require big ass maps with good layouts.

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Which I'm not good at.

light prism May 22, 2018, 11:41 PM

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sniping in doom is dumb

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since you can do it with basically any weapon that utilizes the standard hitscan attack

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and that zoom just involves lowering the FOV and putting some shitty overlay on top

vocal crypt May 22, 2018, 11:42 PM

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not sure the shotgun would be that extremely accurate shooting a long range.

light prism May 22, 2018, 11:45 PM

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the gameplay is just not suited for sniping

vernal topaz May 23, 2018, 12:35 PM

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@vocal crypt a massive part of being a decent mapper is fucking up a lot

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so if you're fucking up, these are the hurdles you have to get over before things start to get better

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You'll get there man, it takes a while

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just keep trying stuff

vocal crypt May 23, 2018, 1:30 PM

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Except I'm stuck on the first fucking which is layout

shadow bone May 23, 2018, 2:08 PM

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It may be helpful to use some kind of dungeon generator for inspiration, like this one: https://donjon.bin.sh/fantasy/dungeon/

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After all, a level is mostly a series of rooms and corridors

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Use the dungeon map as a base and spice it up as desired

vocal crypt May 23, 2018, 2:09 PM

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what does Peripheral Egress mean

shadow bone May 23, 2018, 2:10 PM

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Places to walk off the map

vocal crypt May 23, 2018, 2:10 PM

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Been thinking of some sewer where yous run away from a monster

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unoriginal yes

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but eh

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I'm bored and I want to do something like that

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augh

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the preview has major differences to the final product.

shadow bone May 23, 2018, 2:12 PM

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Yeah, just play with it a bit

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You're liable to go through a lot of options before you find something you like

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And you don't have to follow it slavishly either

vocal crypt May 23, 2018, 2:12 PM

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true

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notice it loves the rooms

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which I don't think sewers would have that much

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noticed*

shadow bone May 23, 2018, 2:13 PM

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Set the "Room Layout" option lower

vocal crypt May 23, 2018, 2:13 PM

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it's at Sparse.

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It's also going to lead to the question of "tf kind of sewer is this"

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but that's me

shadow bone May 23, 2018, 2:14 PM

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Pump rooms, access rooms, stuff like that

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Like, this is pretty sewer-esque to me, with a few tweaks

📎 5b0577a0-883ce532.png

vocal crypt May 23, 2018, 2:16 PM

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less rooms would help IMO

shadow bone May 23, 2018, 2:16 PM

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So remove them 😛

vocal crypt May 23, 2018, 2:16 PM

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also, why stairs?

shadow bone May 23, 2018, 2:16 PM

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Because I forgot to turn it off

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But stairs in this case could be your start or exit

vocal crypt May 23, 2018, 2:17 PM

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Sure, some sort of Escape from Alcatraz thing

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I'M FREE! I'M FREE!

shadow bone May 23, 2018, 2:18 PM

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Anyway the whole point of this is to give you a starting point to just plop down some rooms and corridors without thinking too hard about it.

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It's not meant to be used as a rigid plan that has to be perfect

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Also, combining a couple different dungeons could lead to more interesting options

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vocal crypt May 23, 2018, 2:29 PM

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ugh

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it's becoming a PITA

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Corridors too tight for the playa to fit in

shadow bone May 23, 2018, 2:30 PM

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Make them bigger then 😛

vocal crypt May 23, 2018, 2:30 PM

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hard to do so when other shit is blockin the way

shadow bone May 23, 2018, 2:30 PM

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Double the scale of the whole thing then

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Get creative, thats the whole point

vocal crypt May 23, 2018, 2:31 PM

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well fuck

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my mind is not creative

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as you've probably seen

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screw this

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I'll prob do it another time

vernal topaz May 23, 2018, 2:57 PM

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corridors are fine

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what you do is you make the corridors, for the layout, and then you fill the void areas in with a pit of slime or water

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then you get maps like Circle of Death, Gotcha, and Abandoned Mines

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draw a few 32x32 sectors for pillars for cover, then delete the sectors so they become solid

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https://doomwiki.org/w/images/thumb/c/c8/MAP11_map.png/749px-MAP11_map.png

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this map doesnt even look good from the top down but its by far one of my favorites to play

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start small and work your way up,

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it's weird looking at the full automaps of Doom 2 maps, you realize how small they actually are

vocal crypt May 23, 2018, 3:02 PM

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Not sure pillars would be used for a sewer

vernal topaz May 23, 2018, 3:02 PM

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is that what you're making?

vocal crypt May 23, 2018, 3:02 PM

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escaping from it from one monster, yes

vernal topaz May 23, 2018, 3:03 PM

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oh ok

vocal crypt May 23, 2018, 3:03 PM

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yeh, gon edit the playa speed and change the pistol out

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maybe so it just slows the monster down lol

vernal topaz May 23, 2018, 3:03 PM

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a lot of the time when im mapping, i just kinda draw random stuff i think might be fun

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like a platform jump, or like a tall elevator

vocal crypt May 23, 2018, 3:04 PM

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might throw in a PSX atmosphere vibe as bonus points

vernal topaz May 23, 2018, 3:04 PM

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and if i dont like it i just delete and start over with a new idea

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but it's usually very simple and I try not to waste much time on each idea

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because its usually my third or fourth idea i actually feel like moving forward with

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it took me a long time to accept that making good maps involves what feels like a lot of wasted time

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but its part of the process, you need to teach yourself what NOT to do

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and you don't always figure out until you play your map and realize its not working

light prism May 23, 2018, 8:40 PM

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my method is simple

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press ctrl-d

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spaz my mouse out and click randomly

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repeat, ??? profit

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40 is right though, you wanna try and build some interesting geometry/trap/arena before you start worrying about what its actually supposed to be

brisk flax May 24, 2018, 4:39 PM

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Hi there, i was trying to convert Megapack PB and RO to Simply Hard. Now I have two more errors and it says:
Execution could not continue.
2 errors while parsing DECORATE scripts
So any help finding them? I've updated the DECORATE lump. https://hastebin.com/ovifijetuh.php

red peak May 24, 2018, 4:44 PM

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wait

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What is Simply Hard

brisk flax May 24, 2018, 4:47 PM

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A mod.

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wait.

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that improves some shit, and adds some unique weapons and enemies.

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And adds 3 classes.

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and idk what to say

red peak May 24, 2018, 5:04 PM

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doomguy_thonk

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Well Russian Overkill's classes would conflict with Simply Hard's classes...

brisk flax May 24, 2018, 5:19 PM

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but i need to fix these two errors while parsing DECORATE scripts.

brisk flax May 25, 2018, 11:35 AM

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WHOOOOOOOOO- i mean... It finally works... Megapack is converted to Simply hard! YES! I'm so fuckin' happy now.

📎 Screenshot_Doom_20180525_135846.png

haughty flower May 25, 2018, 8:33 PM

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Hmm.......i think most difficult will be doing spritesets. Knowing how much time i spend in photoshop adjusting simple textures, i can only dread how much would would i need to put to make a rendered model look good.

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tho former is at least somewhat progressing.

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wet rover May 25, 2018, 10:01 PM

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does anyone know how to check if there is line of sight between two coordinates in DECORATE/ZScript ?

vocal crypt May 25, 2018, 10:32 PM

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Oh

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is it possible for circular stuff

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like a pipe

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I'm not talking from the floor

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I'm talking like

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from a wall

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or am I wanting to do something beyond the engine

light prism May 25, 2018, 10:33 PM

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@wet rover

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there are several funcs

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https://zdoom.org/wiki/A_JumpIfInTargetLOS

A JumpIfInTargetLOS

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https://zdoom.org/wiki/A_JumpIfTargetInLOS

A JumpIfTargetInLOS

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@vocal crypt - you can do that with 3d floors or models

vocal crypt May 25, 2018, 10:35 PM

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Ah

light prism May 25, 2018, 10:35 PM

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but making curved looing slopes with 3d floors can be painful

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imo the best option is to use a 3d model or voxel, and then faking collision by using textures on a line passing through the model that have 0 alpha and the flag 'walkable' or '3d midtex'

vocal crypt May 25, 2018, 10:36 PM

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I can use such as some sort of entrway into another room

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or am I just asking beyond the engine

light prism May 25, 2018, 10:37 PM

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im not 100% of what youre asking

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can you mspaint me up a sketch

haughty flower May 25, 2018, 10:38 PM

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@light prism speaking of modding. are there any other doom/zdoom servers with more active mapping chat?

light prism May 25, 2018, 10:38 PM

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this is probably the most active

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and with the most knowledgeable users

haughty flower May 25, 2018, 10:39 PM

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Alright. I have a question then. where can i find shader doc for gzdoom? I need to know all the hooks from/to engine

light prism May 25, 2018, 10:39 PM

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for glsl?

haughty flower May 25, 2018, 10:39 PM

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for gzdoom+glsl integration

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i know glsl

vocal crypt May 25, 2018, 10:39 PM

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I can't MSPaint for shit, but imagine a circular thing to enter on a wall that goes into a room.

📎 1.PNG

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eh

light prism May 25, 2018, 10:40 PM

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i mean

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https://zdoom.org/wiki/GLDEFS#Hardware_shaders

GLDEFS

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it has the basics here

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there are probably forum posts on zdoom.org that explain more

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and plenty of examples

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@vocal crypt - Uhh I'll make an example map

haughty flower May 25, 2018, 10:41 PM

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oh fuck i completely missed it

vocal crypt May 25, 2018, 10:41 PM

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I'm still thinking about my sewer map idea so uh

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it's a circular pipe of sorts

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and it goes into a room

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to enter

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you get it

haughty flower May 25, 2018, 10:41 PM

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@vocal crypt oh wait you mean tube you can walk in? do you have "gzdoom builder bugfix"?

vocal crypt May 25, 2018, 10:41 PM

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Yeah

haughty flower May 25, 2018, 10:42 PM

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Then it's easy, for the inside via sloped floors. but a bit painful on the outside. you can totally do it using sector set 3d floor since it uses sloping as well when creating 3d sectors

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@light prism thanks cat.

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Fuck. they don't have geometry pass hooked.

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well there goes my idea to implement this on shader

📎 Grass_mov.gif

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or rather port it from unity

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granted i can probably utilize voxels for it, but it will tank the performance over large area

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i mean i can do it just on texture but it will look like crap and will not go around objects

wet rover May 25, 2018, 10:52 PM

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@light prism but that's for checking los between an actor and its target, i want to know for any two positions

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and also regardless of angles

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like, "if you were standing at A position looking at B, would you be able to see it?"

light prism May 25, 2018, 10:54 PM

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@wet rover - Welll you could always spawn two actors for the positions and then check their los against eachother?

wet rover May 25, 2018, 10:55 PM

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i might do that, but i wanted to know if there was a more optimal solution

light prism May 25, 2018, 10:55 PM

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my old method for this used to be shoot a hitscan and if it reaches the distance between the objects then its a success

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this is good because it takes into account things that would block movement but not line of sight

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📎 pipe.wad

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@vocal crypt

vocal crypt May 25, 2018, 10:57 PM

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yis, what I was looking for, but smaller

light prism May 25, 2018, 10:57 PM

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that's what she said

vocal crypt May 25, 2018, 10:57 PM

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my left hand?

wet rover May 25, 2018, 10:58 PM

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...

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what

light prism May 25, 2018, 10:58 PM

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owned

haughty flower May 25, 2018, 10:58 PM

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😄

light prism May 25, 2018, 10:58 PM

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you repeated a single character too much

haughty flower May 25, 2018, 10:58 PM

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fingergun

wet rover May 25, 2018, 10:58 PM

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but it wasn't ...

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it was code

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let me try again

light prism May 25, 2018, 10:58 PM

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pastebin it

wet rover May 25, 2018, 10:59 PM

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code blocks not allowed?

light prism May 25, 2018, 10:59 PM

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they should?

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testes testes one two.. three

wet rover May 25, 2018, 10:59 PM

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oh...

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i used the ´ instead of the `

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nvm

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Vector3 getLookAtPos(){
    A_FireBullets(0, 0, 1, 0, "VisTracer", FBF_NORANDOMPUFFZ);
    ThinkerIterator it = ThinkerIterator.Create("VisTracer");
    let p=VisTracer(it.Next());
    if(p){
        Vector3 res=p.pos;
        p.destroy();
        return res;
    }
    return pos;
}

light prism May 25, 2018, 11:00 PM

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im not 100% on zscript but that looks rightish

wet rover May 25, 2018, 11:00 PM

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here's my attempt, after what you said, but the A_FireBullets action doesn't work on where i want it

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it seems it's only for weapons/etc

light prism May 25, 2018, 11:01 PM

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oh theres another action for it

wet rover May 25, 2018, 11:01 PM

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which one?

light prism May 25, 2018, 11:02 PM

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trying to find

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ah

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i was doing it from ACS with LineAttack

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LineAttack(PLAYER_TID, va(pos) + mod[MOD_ROT], 0, 1, s"CheckPuff");

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if(Distance(PLAYER_TID, 999) > 96 && !Bezier)

wet rover May 25, 2018, 11:04 PM

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is it exported to zscript?

light prism May 25, 2018, 11:05 PM

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not sure

vocal crypt May 25, 2018, 11:05 PM

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omdg, I've just learned of the slope action

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fg*

wet rover May 25, 2018, 11:08 PM

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weird

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it works without flags

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but when i try using flags, it says they're undefined

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the flags i mean

light prism May 25, 2018, 11:10 PM

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under zscript? odd

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does it work with a numeric value?

wet rover May 25, 2018, 11:10 PM

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i mean, it should

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but it's not listed

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the numeric value for the flags

light prism May 25, 2018, 11:10 PM

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true, but you could try assuming they start from 1 until you learn otherwise

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and assuming you want both flags that means try 3

wet rover May 25, 2018, 11:12 PM

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with 0 as flag it gives type mismatch error

light prism May 25, 2018, 11:15 PM

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well that is just strange

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maybe the zscript version has different parameters

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Actor, int LineAttack(double angle, double distance, double pitch, int damage, Name damageType, class<Actor> pufftype, int flags = 0, out FTranslatedLineTarget victim = null, double offsetz = 0)

wet rover May 25, 2018, 11:16 PM

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oh wow

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the pufftype and damagetype are inverted

light prism May 25, 2018, 11:16 PM

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thar she blows

wet rover May 25, 2018, 11:20 PM

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it's native right? that means it's written in the source code for zdoom itself?

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maybe the flag values are there

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nope

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can't find it

light prism May 25, 2018, 11:34 PM

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what is your intended outcome here

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what points are you checking the los for

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making pathfinding?

wet rover May 25, 2018, 11:35 PM

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wait

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now that i think of it this may not be the best way to do it

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i'll try something else

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if it doesn't work i'll come back to this

haughty flower May 25, 2018, 11:53 PM

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.....scratching head is there a way i can cut holes in TEXTURES lump?

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ok nvm, i just used semi-transparent tiles. this works i guess.

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haughty flower May 26, 2018, 12:27 AM

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coarse quail May 26, 2018, 12:28 AM

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Interesting. Could be an novel approach for shadow rendering.

haughty flower May 26, 2018, 12:28 AM

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what do you mean novel lol?

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sector lighting been used for ages ever since original doom release 😄

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gzdoom builder has light gradient tool

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only thing i'm doing is having a saved line i copy over and throw on sectors where "sunlight" should realistically fall

vocal crypt May 26, 2018, 12:29 AM

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that's nice, man.

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I actually like it

haughty flower May 26, 2018, 12:30 AM

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😀

vocal crypt May 26, 2018, 12:30 AM

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what chur map/mod be

light prism May 26, 2018, 12:30 AM

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uh there is already shadowmapping for dynamic lights too

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but obviously the sector approach is there too heh

haughty flower May 26, 2018, 12:30 AM

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@light prism does it recognize general directional light?

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as in can i define a single sunlight source

light prism May 26, 2018, 12:31 AM

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there is no 'global' directional light no

haughty flower May 26, 2018, 12:31 AM

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well then

light prism May 26, 2018, 12:31 AM

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you can make a light with huge radius though 😛

haughty flower May 26, 2018, 12:31 AM

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i'll stick with sector lighting for the time being. sure looks much more stylized too

light prism May 26, 2018, 12:31 AM

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i kinda wish you could adjust the 'smooth lighting' angle, that would work as a faux global directional light

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yeah there is that aspect too

haughty flower May 26, 2018, 12:32 AM

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besides this is inside the building with line portals looking out, since i'm doing 2-3 story high building all pointing to same 2 lines of building outside

light prism May 26, 2018, 12:32 AM

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nothing is quite like the stark lighting of sectors

vocal crypt May 26, 2018, 12:32 AM

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you going to do the teleport method for that Smoke

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or are you using 3D Floors

haughty flower May 26, 2018, 12:32 AM

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📎 unknown.png

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i'll use line portal for door

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and just "visual" for windows

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and just connect everything via line portals. this will give me much less headache when constructing stacked building

vocal crypt May 26, 2018, 12:34 AM

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the illusion of goin up a floor eh

haughty flower May 26, 2018, 12:36 AM

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portal connected slopes at precise point

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should be good enough

vocal crypt May 26, 2018, 12:36 AM

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so many lines thouhg

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though

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;_;

haughty flower May 26, 2018, 12:39 AM

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so? it's easy

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get an overall line, copy, paste.

vocal crypt May 26, 2018, 12:39 AM

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I'm talkin the general map

haughty flower May 26, 2018, 12:39 AM

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delete excess. recreate sector via "make sectors mode"

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oh that's just road

vocal crypt May 26, 2018, 12:39 AM

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oh

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phew

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you makin a city map?

haughty flower May 26, 2018, 12:40 AM

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better. i'm making chunk of the city which floats in nothingness map

vocal crypt May 26, 2018, 12:40 AM

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The Lost Levels of Doom 2?

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lmao

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Lost City Levels

haughty flower May 26, 2018, 12:40 AM

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vocal crypt May 26, 2018, 12:40 AM

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trippy

haughty flower May 26, 2018, 12:41 AM

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yeah, i'm basically expanding on my terminus virtute map in all directions.

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while using my own textures

haughty flower May 26, 2018, 1:34 AM

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sigh works from the bottom

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not from the top

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vocal crypt May 26, 2018, 1:35 AM

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Are you planning for some encounter on the rooftop?

haughty flower May 26, 2018, 1:36 AM

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i'll just mask this crap by another 3d box

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😄

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like a sign

haughty flower May 26, 2018, 2:10 AM

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got the sign 😆

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vocal crypt May 26, 2018, 3:02 AM

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nice

haughty flower May 26, 2018, 5:47 AM

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@light prism Uh...what's regular texture size for the hud item? 32? 64?

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cannot find that info anywhere

light prism May 26, 2018, 5:51 AM

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not sure

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try either of those though

haughty flower May 26, 2018, 5:53 AM

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😐 the problem is that i'm also rendering and postprocessing at the moment

light prism May 26, 2018, 6:10 AM

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not sure how that would affect hud sprites

haughty flower May 26, 2018, 6:13 AM

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Ok i'm confused. where do i put the icon?

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it tells me it's not found, i tried both sprites/ and graphics/

light prism May 26, 2018, 6:13 AM

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graphics/ i think

haughty flower May 26, 2018, 6:16 AM

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are there any special naming conventions for them?

light prism May 26, 2018, 6:20 AM

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https://zdoom.org/wiki/SBARINFO

SBARINFO

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read first section

haughty flower May 26, 2018, 6:22 AM

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ok nvm. works now. should've did a proper refresh in gzdoom builder >_<

haughty flower May 26, 2018, 12:40 PM

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Uh. does gzdoom builder has script compilation error log?

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it tells me "error" but doesn't say what error

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OH.

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WAIT.

haughty flower May 26, 2018, 1:07 PM

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the way that foldout is designed makes it a bit hard to spot from the get go. :V

light prism May 26, 2018, 9:45 PM

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yeah

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in certain resolutions it is entirely hidden

haughty flower May 27, 2018, 1:29 AM

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....i should not attempt to sprite when i'm 23 hours in without sleep. mariofacepalm

📎 celolium.png

vocal crypt May 27, 2018, 1:30 AM

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I think I'm going to have to take the bitter pill that I'll have to put that sewer survival horror on the shelf for now

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till I get some maps under my belt

light prism May 27, 2018, 1:34 AM

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@haughty flower well if your aim was to make an unidentifiable red blob you succeeded

haughty flower May 27, 2018, 1:34 AM

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aim was to make a gem

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thonkerb this is 50% there. i need to do a better job at gradient directions and it will be indistinguishable from hexen artwork

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haughty flower May 27, 2018, 3:53 AM

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🤔

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haughty flower May 27, 2018, 5:27 AM

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Sector lightbeams setup mariofacepalm

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prisma saddle May 27, 2018, 5:27 AM

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Yowch,, that looks pretty complex.

haughty flower May 27, 2018, 5:28 AM

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at least it looks pretty

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prisma saddle May 27, 2018, 5:28 AM

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Yeah, looks pretty neat.

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You could probably fake a bit of Global illumination by adding some slightly dim dynamic lights around the bright spots.

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So it looks a bit like the light is bleeding out a bit and it isn't just a hard edge.

haughty flower May 27, 2018, 5:29 AM

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blah

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it would be easier just to export whole cocking thing to unity and use deferred lighting at this point

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while i was digging i found old iron staff i made in vein of hexen weaponry. tho it's a bit small

📎 ironstaff6.png

light prism May 27, 2018, 5:32 AM

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haughty flower May 27, 2018, 5:33 AM

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@light prism looks like terrain

haughty flower May 27, 2018, 8:26 AM

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Well i managed to produce better looking gem, but cocking thing doesn't like to be doom-colored- it breaks since transitions are very gradual

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haughty flower May 27, 2018, 8:54 AM

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I got it

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haughty flower May 27, 2018, 11:56 AM

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the traveler. i'm gonna add some detail to the robe, add a weapon, a pouch and alike, texture it, and then throw it at mixamo. then animate, record sprites and try to build a pipeline to convert them seamlessly into doomlikes. gonna be frustrating tho

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surreal meteor May 27, 2018, 1:21 PM

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dont you mean

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the dark wanderer?

haughty flower May 27, 2018, 2:08 PM

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@surreal meteor blizzard will screw me over that. Robed hi-tech traveler tho. I'll need to plan it some more.

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surreal meteor May 27, 2018, 2:16 PM

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Lmfao they totally would, but now it looks more like something from Star Wars to me

haughty flower May 27, 2018, 2:16 PM

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we'll once i'm done

surreal meteor May 27, 2018, 2:17 PM

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Just make the face black with glowing red eyes and it's a really tall jawa I think

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Lol

haughty flower May 27, 2018, 4:47 PM

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vocal crypt May 27, 2018, 4:48 PM

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what chu making

haughty flower May 27, 2018, 4:48 PM

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fully expanding on my old map 'terminus virtute'. decided to do all the resources myself as well

vocal crypt May 27, 2018, 4:49 PM

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that seems a bit high-poly for Doom

haughty flower May 27, 2018, 4:49 PM

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@vocal crypt of course. i'm not using this for doom directly. i'm gonna make sprites out of it

vocal crypt May 27, 2018, 4:49 PM

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ah

haughty flower May 27, 2018, 5:07 PM

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alright. time to throw it at mixamo

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as always. mixamo wins.

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screwed up fingers a but bit otherwise works

keen stirrup May 27, 2018, 5:13 PM

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heya is there a way to make mapinfo send you to the next episode and reset your equipment. just trying to make a quailty of life mod is all. (ultimate doom)

haughty flower May 27, 2018, 5:14 PM

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@keen stirrup play playstation doom tc

keen stirrup May 27, 2018, 5:15 PM

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yeah, so i've heard. many times.

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i just trying to make a universal mod for obliged (doom randomizer)

haughty flower May 27, 2018, 5:16 PM

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.....why would you even use oblidged

keen stirrup May 27, 2018, 5:17 PM

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is there a better doom map randomizer out there?

shadow bone May 27, 2018, 5:17 PM

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Oblige is the best at what it does

haughty flower May 27, 2018, 5:17 PM

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@shadow bone that's still not enough.

shadow bone May 27, 2018, 5:18 PM

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Why not?

haughty flower May 27, 2018, 5:19 PM

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Can be so much better. I mean - one of my specialties is procedural. You can use fractals, heatmaps, a lot of various noises with further histogram sampling...a lot of different things.

keen stirrup May 27, 2018, 5:22 PM

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sooo little of track is there a line of code to reset inventory on leaving a map?

shadow bone May 27, 2018, 5:22 PM

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So make a map generator

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We need options

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But right now oblige is the best and it's very passable

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so until there's something better, there's no need to talk down to people for using the best available option

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Personally I like oblige maps

keen stirrup May 27, 2018, 5:24 PM

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Never mind i find what i am looking for, also if you think/know you can do better at random map making go right ahead.

haughty flower May 27, 2018, 5:27 PM

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eh. that's a month+ dedication. i don't have that much time

shadow bone May 27, 2018, 5:28 PM

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"I can't be assed to do the thing so I'll just complain about other people not doing the thing"

haughty flower May 27, 2018, 5:30 PM

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i'm not complaining. i'm just saying - can be better.

coarse quail May 27, 2018, 5:50 PM

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You could also compress Doom much smaller if you do it procedurally, but thats stuff you use in the Demoscene. They do procedural generation the best. But those metrics can't be always applied to a codebase that traces back to the 90s.

haughty flower May 27, 2018, 6:07 PM

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hmm.

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Now i understand why doomguy is so comically exaggerated in proportions. it's because that's the only way you gonna be able to see them in 64x64 res

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this is a tiny bit better i guess.

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...fuck it, i'll use 128x128 and downscale

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yeah, this works.

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i'm gonna need to design pistols. bulky enough to be 80s scifi, yet small enough to be welded in akimbo

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vocal crypt May 27, 2018, 6:22 PM

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I'm thinking a tron looking Robocop gun

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Smaller of course

haughty flower May 27, 2018, 6:22 PM

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Too generic by this day and age. needs something with more uniqueness to complement "space machina wizard" look

vocal crypt May 27, 2018, 6:23 PM

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A combination of pistols melded together?

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Maybe that top thing of a P90 but smaller scale?

haughty flower May 27, 2018, 6:24 PM

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Blah. Nah. i'm thinking more tubes and exposed liquid tube/energy core.

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with space blaster shots as projectile

vocal crypt May 27, 2018, 6:24 PM

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hmmm

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Something inspired by Fallout's Plasma weapons

haughty flower May 27, 2018, 6:24 PM

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do you, like, not have a shred of originality lol? DoomTroll

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don't worry about it. i think i have an idea where i'm gonna take it

coarse quail May 27, 2018, 6:29 PM

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Lol if you are going to imply that you want suggestions than taking these strong words is not exactly the way i would go.

haughty flower May 27, 2018, 6:30 PM

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@coarse quail relax your buttocks, i'm joking.

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these all are good suggestions for a gun

unreal oyster May 27, 2018, 6:32 PM

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you may be joking but it seems to me like a lot of the time it just doesn't come off that way to people

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so could ya just tone it down a bit? thanks

coarse quail May 27, 2018, 6:33 PM

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That is exactly how i read it. Its recognizable because my tone is usually taken for shit aswell so i do a lot of JK and italic stuff to make my point clear lol

haughty flower May 27, 2018, 6:35 PM

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sigh People on the internet became so pussified over the last 10 years, it pisses me off. Where are the guts? Where are your spines? Especially on a server dedicated to RIP AND TEAR. Can't take a friendly jab and walk it off, even after i put a trollface and lol at it?

coarse quail May 27, 2018, 6:36 PM

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It was not only that comment that made me say that, by the way.

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The thing is that words and phrasing have so much different tonal differences that even something friendly can be taken as something negative. But if it makes me pussified by explaining this, than so be it.

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Either way the Colour Orange has spoken, so no need for me to continue this debate any further. Take it as you will.

haughty flower May 27, 2018, 6:39 PM

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😐 eh. i'll try.

coarse quail May 27, 2018, 6:40 PM

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User was banned for this post 😉

haughty flower May 27, 2018, 8:54 PM

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anyway, i'll be designing that pistol for awhile. here's a pipe tho.

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not for the pistol. just a pipe

vocal crypt May 27, 2018, 8:59 PM

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3d flooring?

light prism May 27, 2018, 9:03 PM

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no its a pipe

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though if its turned that way all the weed would fall out

haughty flower May 27, 2018, 9:14 PM

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@vocal crypt yes. @light prism yes

keen stirrup May 27, 2018, 10:11 PM

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out of curiosity what are the player 2,3 ,4 start actor names

light prism May 27, 2018, 10:49 PM

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should just be 'Player n Start'

haughty flower May 28, 2018, 4:09 PM

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Okay. so this is what i have so far

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iterations, left to right from first molding to one i have now

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i decided to use that peculiar side-loader mechanism which was featured in one of forgotten weapons video

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red peak May 28, 2018, 4:12 PM

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open breech
load shell
fire
repeat

novel marsh May 28, 2018, 4:14 PM

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Nice.

haughty flower May 28, 2018, 4:15 PM

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@red peak except in this case this is 250 Ah high density microfuel cell batt. cartridge. For firing blaster shots out of this blaster (plasma, i think blaster is copyrighted by lucas film/disney), so i call it plasmalock pistol

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the reason why i have gone with flintlock pistol grip is to attenuate clash of styles with robes being combined with space tech https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/162899420013264896/450339339713642496/unknown.png

novel marsh May 28, 2018, 4:19 PM

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I'd like to see an assassin.

haughty flower May 28, 2018, 4:19 PM

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Nah. this is a story about a mysterious traveler being stuck in chain of torn apart dimensional rips.

red peak May 28, 2018, 4:21 PM

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And let me guess, shittons of monsters pouring out from each rip

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and you gotta kill them all

haughty flower May 28, 2018, 4:21 PM

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No, rips themselves are like pocket dimensions - each contains a place torn out of its dimension. first one is already on display above - a piece of factory/research complex along with chunk of land, floating in nothingness

red peak May 28, 2018, 4:22 PM

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I see

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still shittons of monsters

light prism May 29, 2018, 7:46 AM

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do you think

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that smooth lighting could be modfiied to accept an angular parameter

haughty flower May 30, 2018, 7:50 AM

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doing material study for the handle...oh wow. some petrified wood examples are completely beautiful.

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light prism May 30, 2018, 7:54 AM

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that petrifies my wood

haughty flower May 30, 2018, 9:32 AM

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thanks for that comment, dollar store quagmire knockoff trollface

hexed sky May 30, 2018, 9:40 AM

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wood can get petrified?

haughty flower May 30, 2018, 9:54 AM

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@hexed sky yeah. it gets set in soil, and over millions of years various minerals seep into the cellulose, hardening and crystalizing it

prisma saddle May 30, 2018, 9:55 AM

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Huh, interesting.

haughty flower May 30, 2018, 9:56 AM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrified_wood

Petrified wood

Petrified wood (from the Greek root petro meaning "rock" or "stone"; literally "wood turned into stone") is the name given to a special type of fossilized remains of terrestrial vegetation. It is the result of a tree or tree-like plants having completely transitioned to stone...

timber bridge May 30, 2018, 11:23 AM

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they shouldn't have looked at medusa

light prism May 30, 2018, 11:44 AM

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hey we're here to learn about line actions not geology

haughty flower May 30, 2018, 12:31 PM

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@light prism good map design is paragon. if someone gets inspired to make an archeological dig by this - the better

haughty flower May 30, 2018, 1:24 PM

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Alright. here's what i have so far.

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muted wing May 30, 2018, 2:29 PM

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nice digital watch side

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"Oh it's a quarter to blasting your ass off"

haughty flower May 30, 2018, 2:31 PM

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😄 i think this should be good enough.

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I call this - laserlock pistol. If in flintlock flint strikes steel lead while it locks - in this case a pulse of energy from capacitor uses laser to heat plasma which then gets dispersed out of the front, accelerated by small coil array. Laser gets pulsed only when trigger is locked hence the name - laserlock. 😄

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completely retardedly 80s name. which is what i wanted, so it fits.

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there we go https://skfb.ly/6zuwR

Sketchfab

smokefumus

Laserlock pistol - 3D model by smokefumus

I call this - laserlock pistol. If in flintlock flint strikes steel lead while it locks - in this case a pulse of energy from capacitor uses laser to heat plasma which then gets dispersed out of the front, accelerated by small coil array. Laser gets pulsed only when trigger i...

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red peak May 30, 2018, 3:10 PM

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So basically it's a tiny railgun

vocal crypt May 30, 2018, 4:44 PM

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That's a pistol?

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I'd hate to see what the shotgun size is

haughty flower May 30, 2018, 5:00 PM

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@vocal crypt that's a flintlock pistol-sized plasma pistol.

vocal crypt May 30, 2018, 5:01 PM

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It's probably the display making it look big

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like it's a shotgun of sorts

haughty flower May 30, 2018, 5:01 PM

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it is quite bulky.

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but all flintlocks are

vocal crypt May 30, 2018, 5:01 PM

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though, would a plasma pistol really have a wooden butt end?

haughty flower May 30, 2018, 5:01 PM

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@red peak no it's a plasma pistol. coils are used to accelerate heated plasma out of the damn thing

vocal crypt May 30, 2018, 5:01 PM

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I know it's a flintlock but

haughty flower May 30, 2018, 5:01 PM

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It's a petrified wood

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so basically stone

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also rendered all the frames i need so far.

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vocal crypt May 30, 2018, 5:04 PM

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is that one frame in the death sequence?

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or is it doing a move

haughty flower May 30, 2018, 5:04 PM

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yeah

vocal crypt May 30, 2018, 5:04 PM

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ah

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is it melting or falling to the ground

haughty flower May 30, 2018, 5:05 PM

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you tell me

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haughty flower May 30, 2018, 5:23 PM

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Okay so when i want to override player sprites i just use something like
ACTOR TWPlayer :DoomPlayer

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and replace sprites without touching any defs?

haughty flower May 30, 2018, 5:38 PM

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ok and define it in mapinfo

haughty flower May 30, 2018, 6:03 PM

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Ok now real question. does player sprite supports refire? because my anim has 2 shots.

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from left and right guns respectively

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but when i fire only one shot it plays altogether looking kinda silly

light prism May 30, 2018, 8:54 PM

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you could give the player an item in the weapon and then check for it in the player actor

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after the first shot

light prism May 31, 2018, 1:19 AM

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oh also

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you need to define a player class and add it to your list of classes

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so no, just inheriting and using 'replace' doesnt work like other actors

light prism May 31, 2018, 1:42 AM

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https://zdoom.org/wiki/Creating_new_player_classes

Creating new player classes

orchid pine May 31, 2018, 4:59 AM

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my 1st wad ;p trust me you can tell this was my 1st time i ever builded anything

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light prism May 31, 2018, 6:02 AM

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is it literally one room

orchid pine May 31, 2018, 6:41 AM

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with a door

haughty flower May 31, 2018, 8:12 AM

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@light prism only problem i have - for some reason it picks fist when game start, even tho laserlock has higher (lower) weapon selection order

light prism May 31, 2018, 8:13 AM

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show player decorate

haughty flower May 31, 2018, 8:13 AM

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a moment

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{
  // default items
  Player.StartItem PlasmaShell 40
  
  Player.StartItem Fist
  Player.StartItem LaserlockPistol
    //Player.StartItem 
  Player.ViewHeight 53
  Height 60
  States
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@light prism

light prism May 31, 2018, 8:34 AM

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so the weapon contains the slot definition then?

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Weapon.SlotNumber

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ah

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Adds an item to player's start inventory. First weapon added is the weapon selected at start.```

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@haughty flower

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read last sentence

haughty flower May 31, 2018, 8:40 AM

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oh!

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thanks

light prism May 31, 2018, 8:57 AM

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grata et ano est tib

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that's the closest latin i can get to 'youre welcome asshole'

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i think it says 'welcome to the anus'

haughty flower May 31, 2018, 9:28 AM

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as i said - alright, bend over

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besides - you're an asshole too 😄

tender sorrel May 31, 2018, 2:58 PM

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golden drum May 31, 2018, 7:42 PM

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This might be extremely late, but... @orchid pine it's built, not builded.

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Reeeeeeeeeee

haughty flower May 31, 2018, 8:14 PM

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@tender sorrel may i suggest you add special textures (by textures lump) and add some icing/snow on the bottom of these walls? looks nice otherwise

light prism May 31, 2018, 8:39 PM

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might i suggest the lord of the castle invests in a dehumidifier

haughty flower May 31, 2018, 11:07 PM

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while i continue working on this it keeps feeling less like doom map and more like shitty half life 1 map

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which is.... a good thing i guess? zthink

vocal crypt May 31, 2018, 11:09 PM

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it's high quality for Doom, but shit tier for HL1

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get better if you want medium tier for HL1

haughty flower May 31, 2018, 11:10 PM

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actually it isn't high quality for doom

vocal crypt May 31, 2018, 11:10 PM

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not with that attitude. kappa

haughty flower May 31, 2018, 11:10 PM

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something like this is https://www.dfdoom.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/order-of-the-odonata-2.jpg

hexed sky May 31, 2018, 11:21 PM

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almost looks like an UT map

haughty flower May 31, 2018, 11:29 PM

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oh yeah.

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@hexed sky try looking at it with this music. pretty much does. 😄 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX5CpBfTg4o

YouTube

Ludicro

Unreal Tournament Soundtrack - Main Theme

Unreal Tournament was THE contender to Quake 3 back in 1999. Since then it is fondly remembered as one of the greatest multiplayer games ever made and still ...

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vast pulsar Jun 3, 2018, 2:40 PM

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But is it even really doom at this point

haughty flower Jun 3, 2018, 3:45 PM

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@vast pulsar doesn't matter. mods are mods, it is not intrinsic for them to only fit the mold of the game. You can expand however you want.

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also. Hanging building is back. i need to add more of them around.

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vast pulsar Jun 3, 2018, 3:46 PM

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It's like Apple pie made with pumpkins instead

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Cool

haughty flower Jun 3, 2018, 3:50 PM

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That's one of the most stupid comparisons I've heard. I mean, what next, you gonna compare combustion engine with a melon?

remote coral Jun 3, 2018, 5:52 PM

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Is there a way to muffle the soundtrack underwater?

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I know it's possible with the actual sound effects.

shadow bone Jun 3, 2018, 5:53 PM

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GZDoom has a toggle for underwater reverb in the audio options

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It's a user-side preference

remote coral Jun 3, 2018, 5:53 PM

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So it works for music?

shadow bone Jun 3, 2018, 5:53 PM

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Ah, the music

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No, music is generally outside the playsim for most purposes

remote coral Jun 3, 2018, 5:54 PM

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fok.

haughty flower Jun 3, 2018, 6:12 PM

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@shadow bone imuse-alike would've helped that, but nobody has time to construct that for doom

haughty flower Jun 3, 2018, 6:48 PM

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ok, i found a thing. Line horizon REALLY doesn't like sector portals

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so if you want joint horizon - use old method of lowering the ceiling which has F_SKY1 texture on it

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around portal sector which is open

shadow bone Jun 3, 2018, 7:01 PM

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Probably better report that as a bug

light prism Jun 3, 2018, 8:00 PM

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wait what

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i have used line horizon in stacked portals and skyboxes

unreal oyster Jun 3, 2018, 8:00 PM

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yeah so have i

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in fact the old sky hack method is way more broken with stacked sectors

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so much so that i made a bug report on that and got the response "don't do that"

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i can see both methods being broken in certain areas

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because honestly, portals are pretty hacked into the engine

haughty flower Jun 3, 2018, 8:04 PM

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Yeah for some reason former broke for me. it started showing under sector (and upper sector) both under/over AND also under/over at their places in the map

unreal oyster Jun 3, 2018, 8:04 PM

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oh yeah i remember that happening

haughty flower Jun 3, 2018, 8:05 PM

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which also tanked the performance. so i used skyhack and that one works fine

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And here is a tube. at an angle. with 2 sets of 3d floors.

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light prism Jun 3, 2018, 8:09 PM

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muppet

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use a model

haughty flower Jun 3, 2018, 8:10 PM

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Why?

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also your mother's a muppet.

light prism Jun 3, 2018, 8:10 PM

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because it's easier than trying to line up slopes on controls in parallel

haughty flower Jun 3, 2018, 8:10 PM

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it's easy af to line up slopes.

light prism Jun 3, 2018, 8:10 PM

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and cheaper for the engine to render

haughty flower Jun 3, 2018, 8:11 PM

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just copy-paste that line contiuning it to the outside

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then build around it

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light prism Jun 3, 2018, 8:11 PM

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its cheaper for the engine to render a model

unreal oyster Jun 3, 2018, 8:12 PM

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you'd need a set of 3d floors if this is intended to collide with the player, anyway

light prism Jun 3, 2018, 8:12 PM

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nop

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model with invisible midtex lines

unreal oyster Jun 3, 2018, 8:13 PM

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but yes i'd say it's best to use a 3d model either way

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... ew

haughty flower Jun 3, 2018, 8:13 PM

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@light prism yeah how am i suppose to go under it?

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if i'm making sloped 3d floor regardless, why in the fuck do i need model in the first place?

light prism Jun 3, 2018, 8:14 PM

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also no tags

unreal oyster Jun 3, 2018, 8:15 PM

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i'd recommend model usage either way because to be completely honest, what you posted is ugly, a 3d model would allow way more polygons without destroying the engine and/or your sanity

light prism Jun 3, 2018, 8:15 PM

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a) if it's not reachable by the player, who cares about collision, b) if it is reachable, use invisible midtexes on a few lines, c) it is far less taxing on the engine to render the model than to calculate the nodes and visplanes

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d) i am sexy and sexy people are always correct

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https://i.imgur.com/SP81Lz2.gifv

Imgur

haughty flower Jun 3, 2018, 8:22 PM

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@light prism
A) i care about collision.
B) that's hacky as well
Г) once it calculates those i should have no problem
Δ) I sincerely doubt both of these statements.

light prism Jun 3, 2018, 8:23 PM

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do what you want, but youre wrong

haughty flower Jun 3, 2018, 8:23 PM

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DoomTroll not the first time i've been told that, and yet i'm still here

light prism Jun 3, 2018, 8:24 PM

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you're making a large open city map, you should care about optimization

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but its your choice

haughty flower Jun 3, 2018, 8:24 PM

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it works fine on my crappy 940m.

light prism Jun 3, 2018, 8:25 PM

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at the moment while your map is highly unfinished yes

haughty flower Jun 3, 2018, 8:25 PM

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which is comparable by performance to desktop 640. Which itself comparable by performance to 275 gtx. i'll be fine

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wait. hol' up. do 3d floors even contribute to portals at all?

unreal oyster Jun 3, 2018, 8:28 PM

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what do you mean by "contribute"

haughty flower Jun 3, 2018, 8:28 PM

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write themselves as static occluders. to bsp structure. because i always through they were treated as an effect

unreal oyster Jun 3, 2018, 8:29 PM

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if i'm interpreting you correctly, then no, a 3d floor will not prevent a portal from being rendered

haughty flower Jun 3, 2018, 8:29 PM

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Well then cat's talking out of his ass, doesn't he?

unreal oyster Jun 3, 2018, 8:30 PM

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i would disagree that it would be slow to render the 3d floor version due to nodes and visplanes, but he's probably not wrong that a model would render faster, at least if the model was reasonable in poly count

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a pipe model could be rendered in one draw call, a 3d floor setup cannot be

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the draw calls in gzdoom are what make the rendering more CPU-bound than GPU-bound

haughty flower Jun 3, 2018, 8:31 PM

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People talk about drawcalls quantity but they always forget that even a single drawcall can tank the performance if the pass is bloated.

unreal oyster Jun 3, 2018, 8:32 PM

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... yes, that's exactly why i said "if the model was reasonable in poly count"

haughty flower Jun 3, 2018, 8:35 PM

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besides, i'm pretty sure that terrain i added would drop performance harder than a few 3d floors DoomTroll

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light prism Jun 3, 2018, 8:36 PM

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no 3d floors do not do anything to portals

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but that wasnt my point

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if you dont want to take advice from people who have been doing this stuff for years that's your problem

haughty flower Jun 3, 2018, 8:39 PM

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i am but i don't see the point at the moment. i still have 70 fps when i look at the map as a whole (130 when i look at skybox with nothing). On this piece of shit gpu. i'm not gonna be adding much of these effects anyway. as they always say- rules of 3s

light prism Jun 3, 2018, 8:41 PM

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the rule of threes is for storytelling, there weren't only three planets in star wars, there weren't only three floors in die hard

haughty flower Jun 3, 2018, 8:42 PM

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yes but there usually only 3 or less outstanding looking uses of same gimmick

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beats match up - you have triplet in storytelling impact, you have triplet in visual effects to do some visual impact.

light prism Jun 3, 2018, 8:43 PM

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do what you want

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but dont be a bitch when you start getting fps crawl on your finished product

haughty flower Jun 3, 2018, 8:44 PM

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yeah.

haughty flower Jun 3, 2018, 9:07 PM

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Okay, here's the question. what's the relationship between units in model and in-engine units? 1:1? aka if i'll make an md2 which is 64 units tall, will it translate to it being 64 pixels tall in engine?

light prism Jun 3, 2018, 9:30 PM

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i dont think it's 1:1

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but as long as you keep on grid it's not hard to find the proper scale

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might be 32:1

vast pulsar Jun 4, 2018, 2:58 AM

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I also have a related question.

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Can 3d floors be turned into enemies

shadow bone Jun 4, 2018, 4:00 AM

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They cannot. 3D floors are a geometric construction, not actors.

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You could make an actor with 3D models that looks like a floor, if you wish.

light prism Jun 4, 2018, 4:21 AM

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you could script the lines of the sector to react to getting shot

coarse quail Jun 4, 2018, 10:22 AM

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@shadow bone entertain the idea that Apples can be Alphabetic renamed and then the quality of the posts suddenly makes a lot more sense.

remote coral Jun 4, 2018, 11:20 AM

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Is it possible for a WAD to forcibly crash/close the source port it's running on?

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I know it's possible to close the actual map and not the game, but what about a fully-fledged CTD?

coarse quail Jun 4, 2018, 11:33 AM

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Zdoom wiki has some threads i believe that do this. Usually when a wad is beyond fucked upness though.

remote coral Jun 4, 2018, 11:42 AM

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So it's more about a corrupted/broken file instead of an actual map trick?

shadow bone Jun 4, 2018, 11:58 AM

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it's possible, but you should not do it. Actual desktop crashes are considered bugs and will likely be fixed eventually.

Zscript does have support for throwing custom VM error exceptions, which "crash" to the game console.

remote coral Jun 4, 2018, 1:18 PM

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I guess that's the only way.

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Well I can use the CTD methods, but those maps would probably break.

shadow bone Jun 4, 2018, 1:26 PM

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Honestly I'd avoid it altogether

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Crashing the game is not the way to make people like your mod