#classic-doom-maps-mods | DOOM | Page 78

surreal meteor Mar 10, 2018, 12:19 AM

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sculptgl

vocal crypt Mar 10, 2018, 12:19 AM

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ah

surreal meteor Mar 10, 2018, 12:19 AM

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i tried using blender but its too complicated for me

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I dub thee, 'WakoDemon'

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📎 Wako.wad

fervent agate Mar 10, 2018, 12:24 AM

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Flying Spaghtcaco Monster

light prism Mar 10, 2018, 1:18 AM

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he looks like an inbred caco

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quite amusing

past cradle Mar 10, 2018, 6:49 AM

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him meatball

hexed sky Mar 10, 2018, 12:30 PM

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that's a spicy meatball

surreal meteor Mar 10, 2018, 1:19 PM

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First level out of the level pack im thinking of making, any thoughts?

📎 Volume_16.wad

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📎 Volume_16.wad

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Get that one instead^^^

unkempt wadi Mar 10, 2018, 11:45 PM

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actually trying to make a map for the first time, but more focusing on how to make polished geometry (and later polished texturing) than making something that is interesting to play in doom

📎 unknown.png

forest wind Mar 11, 2018, 1:48 AM

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Any secrets yet?

unkempt wadi Mar 11, 2018, 1:51 AM

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so far what you see is what you get, there’s a smol player spawn in the bottom right corner

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also this map is deceptively large

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like 330 meters wide

light prism Mar 11, 2018, 6:57 AM

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📎 Screenshot_Doom_20180311_195647.png

prisma saddle Mar 11, 2018, 7:06 AM

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Could this be the return of the Dog bot.

dusk terrace Mar 11, 2018, 6:47 PM

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is there something wrong with this code because in game i have no fists at all now

📎 unknown.png

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and i defined the slot

📎 unknown.png

hexed sky Mar 11, 2018, 7:41 PM

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is ~ even a valid character for an actor name

dusk terrace Mar 11, 2018, 8:34 PM

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works for my pistol so i think it is

light prism Mar 11, 2018, 8:44 PM

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still

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deliberately using an extended character at the start of an actor name

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kinda stupid

surreal meteor Mar 13, 2018, 1:14 AM

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hey guys, if i try to put more than one texture pack into my wad do i need to change the TEXTUREx name from texture1? thanks

light prism Mar 13, 2018, 2:24 AM

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uhh depends

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if the pack replaces existing names or not

surreal meteor Mar 13, 2018, 1:43 PM

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I havent checked

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no they dont have the same names, except for the TEXTUREx file name

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Heres the wad so yall can look

📎 Volume_16.wad

vernal topaz Mar 13, 2018, 4:12 PM

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I haven't looked at the wad, and don't know what you know already, but I think the most appropriate way to use textures is either to use everything from 'one' already compiled texture pack

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OR

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handpick all the textures in a texture pack you like, export them as PNG's into a folder, then create a new wad, jam all the images in, and create a new PNAMES and TEXTURE1 lump from the stuff you picked from

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I think that's the cleanest and most appropriate way to do it.

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I've heard there are wad tools that will clean out all the excess textures that aren't used on your map(s), which might be something to look into. I've never done that before but if anyone could link to one I'd like to try it out.

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Oh here it is: https://www.doomworld.com/vb/doom-editing/65649-wcleaner-wad-optimizer

Doomworld

WCleaner - wad optimizer

When a mapper put a lot of new textures inside his PWAD, it soon become too hard to delete the unused textures when mapper plans to release his masterpiece. ...

zinc egret Mar 13, 2018, 7:07 PM

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Oh hey, 40 is here

vernal topaz Mar 13, 2018, 7:22 PM

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hi

zinc egret Mar 13, 2018, 7:37 PM

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Hi

light prism Mar 13, 2018, 7:40 PM

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sup 40

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you old polecat

zinc egret Mar 13, 2018, 7:46 PM

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So according to Ling & co is because you engaged in one too many arguements that spiraled out of control on DW?

light prism Mar 13, 2018, 7:52 PM

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?

zinc egret Mar 13, 2018, 7:52 PM

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I was speaking to @vernal topaz

vernal topaz Mar 14, 2018, 12:40 AM

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@zinc egret sorry for the 5 hour delay -- did you hear that directly from Ling?

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I think that's the speculation. Ling sent me a private message regarding a certain banned doomworld member who was posting on doomer.boards.net

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Sarais is the mongoloid idiot that he was referring to

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but Ling said in the message that he's been receiving messages asking why I should be allowed to post on dw if I'm allowing sarais to post whatever he wants on my board, and he was inclined to agree

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his words were something to the effect of that I can either ban sarais now or I can pay for it with my account on doomworld

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and I responded to him saying that I would handle it how I handle it, and my account was banned shortly after.

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I'm paraphrasing because I can't remember exactly what was said by him or me -- i didn't screencap it and i don't have access to my PMs now, so take what I say with a grain of salt

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but I was for sure given an ultimatum that had no room for negotiation.

light prism Mar 14, 2018, 12:51 AM

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politics

vernal topaz Mar 14, 2018, 12:51 AM

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and I wasn't ok with that

light prism Mar 14, 2018, 12:51 AM

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i still think ur cool

vernal topaz Mar 14, 2018, 12:51 AM

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thanks

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i've seen at least a few people from doomworld get banned for speaking up on my behalf, or for what they say on doomer boards

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it makes me sad

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i don't want to be an enemy of doomworld, i just want doomworld to be cooler

light prism Mar 14, 2018, 12:53 AM

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i want a community where mods arent awkward nazis

vernal topaz Mar 14, 2018, 12:53 AM

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people say im an awkward nazi!

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do you mean like nazis like "you don't believe in marxism?? you must be a NAZI" nazi?

light prism Mar 14, 2018, 12:57 AM

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i mean it in the most generic way possible

vernal topaz Mar 14, 2018, 12:57 AM

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or like "I ban people because im emotionally unstable and i need people to respect me"

light prism Mar 14, 2018, 12:57 AM

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like 'oh you made a minor infraction? BAN!'

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its hard to tell sometimes

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discord seems to be pretty heavy on the moderating compared to irc

vernal topaz Mar 14, 2018, 12:59 AM

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hmm

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im still pretty new to this

light prism Mar 14, 2018, 12:59 AM

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its basically irc with voice chat and image posting

vernal topaz Mar 14, 2018, 12:59 AM

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yeah

light prism Mar 14, 2018, 1:00 AM

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and colored names

vernal topaz Mar 14, 2018, 1:00 AM

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woo hoo

light prism Mar 14, 2018, 1:00 AM

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and text formatting

vernal topaz Mar 14, 2018, 1:01 AM

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i gotta go, ill be back tomorrow

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I havent seen you in forever TheMisterCat, I wanna catch up some time!

light prism Mar 14, 2018, 1:01 AM

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sure thing

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im on here all the time

vernal topaz Mar 14, 2018, 1:02 AM

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cool

vernal topaz Mar 14, 2018, 1:11 PM

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how is it that i've been making maps for the doom community for over 10 years and im looking at this doom modding channel with 391 people in it and I don't recognize ANY of these names

shadow bone Mar 14, 2018, 1:45 PM

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Because most of those people are active in their own communities and don't bother coming here

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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TBH, this is the server for the /r/Doom Discord, and that subreddit doesn't offer much for anyone that already has a place in some long-existing classic Doom community.

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I'd like to change that, but even as a community veteran I really have no idea how to make it more engaging.

vernal topaz Mar 14, 2018, 1:58 PM

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I guess people are spread pretty thin

haughty flower Mar 14, 2018, 2:04 PM

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Is there any way to find megawads that are fully vanilla compatibile? I mean, just maps, no new textures, mods etc. I hope you know what I mean.

shadow bone Mar 14, 2018, 2:21 PM

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The /idgames archive has a ton

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That's where most vanilla-compat stuff gets put eventually

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https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/

vernal topaz Mar 14, 2018, 2:27 PM

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if you search "vanilla" with the search type 'whole text file' that might help

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though you're going to want to read the text file, as wads with new graphics are still considered vanilla

haughty flower Mar 14, 2018, 2:29 PM

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i see

vernal topaz Mar 14, 2018, 2:29 PM

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I can think of a few off the top of my head, I think DMONFEAR.wad is a megawad with no new textures

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D2INO.wad i think doesn't use new texutres

haughty flower Mar 14, 2018, 2:30 PM

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thanks

vernal topaz Mar 14, 2018, 2:31 PM

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JOW.wad

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kssht.wad I think

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wow i didnt realize how hard it was to find megawads with no new textures

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Stone.wad I think, but that has 20 maps

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VILE.wad

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Vilecore1.0.wad

haughty flower Mar 14, 2018, 2:34 PM

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im gonna try them out

vernal topaz Mar 14, 2018, 2:35 PM

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VILE.wad says it has new skies

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in my experience most of these wads aren't that great

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Stone.wad was pretty good though

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and kssht.wad is very good

past cradle Mar 14, 2018, 2:37 PM

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doom 2 in name only has the secret levels with the new textures

vernal topaz Mar 14, 2018, 2:37 PM

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forgot about that, thanks

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kssht says it has new graphics but it might be referring to the title picture and not actually textures, I don't remember it using any new stuff

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maybe skies but idk

zinc egret Mar 14, 2018, 7:31 PM

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I recognize Caligari, 40oz, Gutawer, Nambona and a few others

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Pretty sure you still can upload to /idgames/ despite the forum ban, right? Or no?

shadow bone Mar 14, 2018, 7:34 PM

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Doomworld's /idgames is just a mirror of the real one on gamers.org

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So whatever their policy is

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Keep in mind you probbly need to know how to use FTP

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ftp://ftp.gamers.org/pub/idgames/

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Or the http version

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http://www.gamers.org/pub/idgames/

vernal topaz Mar 14, 2018, 8:01 PM

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@zinc egret I've read that banned members can still upload to /idgames.

zinc egret Mar 14, 2018, 8:43 PM

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You can always email the maintainers to clarify

light prism Mar 14, 2018, 8:51 PM

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sup

inner fulcrum Mar 14, 2018, 8:51 PM

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Hey

light prism Mar 14, 2018, 8:57 PM

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ah man

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i was trying to make a complex stacked portal area last night

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sky bleeding all over the place

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how do make contiguous 😦

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where is Peanut when you need him

light prism Mar 15, 2018, 9:27 AM

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nm fixed

light prism Mar 15, 2018, 9:56 AM

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📎 Screenshot_Doom_20180315_225542.png

prisma saddle Mar 15, 2018, 10:00 AM

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Tis a nice looking map.

vernal topaz Mar 15, 2018, 12:35 PM

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muy bien

surreal meteor Mar 15, 2018, 1:58 PM

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So for some reason the textures show up in doom builder but not the game itself?

📎 quest9.PNG

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📎 quest10.PNG

shadow bone Mar 15, 2018, 1:59 PM

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If you're using textures from some kind of resource pack in DB, make sure that pack is being loaded when you start GZDom as well.

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Also, make sure you're using the correct IWAD

surreal meteor Mar 15, 2018, 2:01 PM

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Heres a better second pic

📎 quest10.PNG

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is there anyway to have it all in one wad? im using slade to put them into one wad

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also the sky is different but the sky is in the pack as well

shadow bone Mar 15, 2018, 2:03 PM

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You mean all the IWAD textures?

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There's a "Doom1 textures for Doom2" pack out there

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But other than that you can certainly put textures you want to use into your wad.

vernal topaz Mar 15, 2018, 2:38 PM

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is there a way to make discord not notify me of "NEW UNREADS" in channels i dont give a shit about?

shadow bone Mar 15, 2018, 2:38 PM

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right click a channel and mute it

vernal topaz Mar 15, 2018, 2:39 PM

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does that make it so i can't see anything in that channel?

shadow bone Mar 15, 2018, 2:39 PM

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No, just mutes the unread

vernal topaz Mar 15, 2018, 2:39 PM

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ok

surreal meteor Mar 15, 2018, 2:43 PM

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@shadow bone Yeah im using the doom1 textures for doom 2 and another one just called extra lights

shadow bone Mar 15, 2018, 2:48 PM

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All you should have to do then is make sure that the texture pack gets loaded also when you start GZDoom.

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Or you can copy the textures from the texture pack to your WAD

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That being said, making cross-game content like that is a little more legally gray than most modding, if that's something you care about. id Software has historically not liked it if people put Doom1 stuff in Doom2 or vice-versa, because they are supposed to be sold as separate games.

vernal topaz Mar 15, 2018, 3:57 PM

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ive never heard that before

light prism Mar 15, 2018, 5:44 PM

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@vernal topaz - you can turn off notifications per-server

vernal topaz Mar 15, 2018, 6:02 PM

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Oh thanks

surreal meteor Mar 16, 2018, 7:52 PM

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I found out what was wrong with my wad's textures. I had two different packs that used the same names and i only needed one so now its fixed

vernal topaz Mar 16, 2018, 8:51 PM

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good!

light prism Mar 17, 2018, 4:08 AM

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📎 Screenshot_Doom_20180316_192820.png

keen shadow Mar 17, 2018, 4:48 AM

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ooh!

light prism Mar 17, 2018, 5:51 AM

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needs more highlighting imo

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i dont want to go crazy with the fullbright but the lighting is a bit flat

prisma saddle Mar 17, 2018, 5:58 AM

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Yeah, could use some more variance in light levels.

surreal meteor Mar 17, 2018, 11:10 PM

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what map editors do yall use? also, how do you do the spinning fans in the ceiling with shadows under the blades? thanks.

light prism Mar 17, 2018, 11:27 PM

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everyone uses either gzdb or slade

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gzdb being preferred

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as far as spinning ceiling fans it really depends

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the easiest way is to have textures

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the other way is to script sectors to raise and lower instantly in a sequence

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if i was doing it i would have an animated fan texture with a duplicate texture shaded black, i would then make an extra sector around the fan to represent the scattering of the light, then have a 3d floor with the shadow fan texture rendered translucently just above the floor

surreal meteor Mar 18, 2018, 12:53 AM

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sheit

light prism Mar 18, 2018, 1:36 AM

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of course if you wanted a more vanilla approach you would have to create textures specific for each situation

surreal meteor Mar 18, 2018, 2:03 AM

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also @light prism do you have anything readily downloadable? your stuff looks amazing I'd like to try it sometime

light prism Mar 18, 2018, 2:10 AM

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nothing im really done with

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but uhhhh

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heres something unfinished from ages ago

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📎 10tex.pk3

surreal meteor Mar 18, 2018, 3:02 AM

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dude that was unbelievable

light prism Mar 18, 2018, 3:29 AM

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it only uses ten textures lulz

prisma saddle Mar 18, 2018, 8:13 PM

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I don't think I've ever seen a DooM mod use scripted music sequences.

light prism Mar 18, 2018, 8:18 PM

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LCA does?

surreal meteor Mar 18, 2018, 9:52 PM

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do any of you guys know if it would be possible to re-create an area similar to the arcane sanctuary from Diablo 2?

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its basically just getting a nice looking animated sky and getting things to properly spawn on top of the 3d sectors

📎 latest.png

light prism Mar 18, 2018, 10:01 PM

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or you could use stacked portals

inner fulcrum Mar 19, 2018, 8:18 AM

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Something I've updated on The NIGHTMARE! Palace, a painting replacement

📎 Screenshot_Doom_20180309_161812.png

light prism Mar 19, 2018, 8:53 AM

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hoo boy

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and i thought my screenshots were dark

vernal topaz Mar 19, 2018, 12:14 PM

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"Steel Militia" by scotty -- Doomer Boards Community Project #01
https://i.imgur.com/lxUN2V4.jpg

Imgur

vernal topaz Mar 19, 2018, 1:24 PM

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release date April 01 2018

light prism Mar 20, 2018, 1:54 AM

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dat vanilla aesthetic

lean badger Mar 20, 2018, 6:31 AM

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question, has anyone tried making doom 1 and 2 maps in doom64/doom64EX? i think that would be neat

light prism Mar 20, 2018, 6:34 AM

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what do you mean

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making a map for the zdoom port of 64 would be exactly the same as mapping for anything else

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mapping for doom64 itself would be uhhhh

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difficult?

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the format is basically the same but how would you inject it and play it

lean badger Mar 20, 2018, 6:44 AM

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i just wanted to know if anyone had made doom 1 and 2 levels for doom64, pc port or otherwise

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doom64 ex is the pc port i am most familar with

light prism Mar 20, 2018, 7:10 AM

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what do you mean

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just the vanilla mapset running under 64?

lean badger Mar 20, 2018, 7:26 AM

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yes

light prism Mar 20, 2018, 7:26 AM

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pretty sure you could do that without having to re-map anything

lean badger Mar 20, 2018, 7:29 AM

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i figured it COULD be done. i was just wondering IF anyone had done it

vernal topaz Mar 20, 2018, 1:31 PM

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I don't believe so

past cradle Mar 20, 2018, 6:06 PM

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in doom 64 the player's viewheight is somewhat higher and the pixel ratio is 1:1 so the normal doom levels are gonna feel a lot smaller

vast pulsar Mar 24, 2018, 12:22 AM

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What's the best looking Id tech 4 mod in your opinion

eager frigate Mar 24, 2018, 12:23 AM

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the dark mod maybe?

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there aren't that many id tech 4 mods

wary zealot Mar 24, 2018, 4:23 AM

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Hey, I haven't coded in months.

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I have a question,

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I'm making a standalone blood-effect mod to get myself back into things, I want the blood effect to change depending on the amount of actor the actor takes, without actually editing the actor that bleeds.

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Is that possible with DECORATE?

light prism Mar 24, 2018, 5:18 AM

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the amount of damage the actor takes you mean?

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the 'blood' actor does this natively

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https://zdoom.org/wiki/Classes:Blood

Classes:Blood

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read plox

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so just inherit from it and use the hardcoded behaviour to your advantage

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 8:31 AM

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Anyone willing to give me a hand with this?

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I'm following a tutorial for 3D floors, and even though I follow the tutorial to the T, it still won't work.

light prism Mar 24, 2018, 9:00 AM

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ok

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show me ur wad

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(thats what she said)

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@remote coral

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 9:11 AM

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just a sec.

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I'm using Doom Builder BTW.

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The little box on the left side has one of its walls with the 3D floor attribute, and the area in the middle has the same tag number as the 3D floor wall.

📎 3DTEST.wad

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@light prism pinging you in case you missed it

light prism Mar 24, 2018, 9:32 AM

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oh sorry

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checking now

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it is there

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you just have opacity set to 0, so its invisible

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@remote coral

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 9:34 AM

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wait what?

light prism Mar 24, 2018, 9:34 AM

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btw ceiling and floor are essentially 'reversed' with 3d floors, meaning the inside 'space' of the sector is the solid part of the 3d floor

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so like the ceiling height is the top floor and the floor height is the underneath ceiling

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btw use UDMF format

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 9:35 AM

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UDMF?

light prism Mar 24, 2018, 9:36 AM

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you're using Hexen format

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UDMF is far better

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its worth the switch early on so you don't get used to using antiquated methods to do things

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 9:36 AM

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I used Hexen format because that's the one the tutorial used.

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Also, where do I change the opacity?

light prism Mar 24, 2018, 9:36 AM

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there is no difference for making 3d floors

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on your line action it's the 4th parameter

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change it to 255

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 9:37 AM

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I set the alpha to 255, and there's still nothing.

light prism Mar 24, 2018, 9:37 AM

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did you test in-game?

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 9:37 AM

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shouldn't it show in the editor too?

light prism Mar 24, 2018, 9:37 AM

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just asking

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 9:38 AM

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It works in-game.

light prism Mar 24, 2018, 9:38 AM

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you probably have gl effects disabled in editor

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press tab when in visual mode

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 9:38 AM

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tab does nothing.

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What menu should it open?

light prism Mar 24, 2018, 9:39 AM

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nothing

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it toggles all non-vanilla effects

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like slopes, 3d floors, transfers

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are you using an up-to-date gzdb?

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 9:40 AM

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and what's that then?

light prism Mar 24, 2018, 9:40 AM

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what is your doom builder

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is it GZ Doom Builder?

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 9:40 AM

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yes.

light prism Mar 24, 2018, 9:41 AM

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go help-about and tell me version

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 9:41 AM

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I installed it in late December.

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2.1.2.1553

light prism Mar 24, 2018, 9:42 AM

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you should update

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https://devbuilds.drdteam.org/gzdbbf/

DRD Team Development Builds • Listing of gzdbbf/

SVN Builds

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but hey uh

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if you press tab, you should see on the log line at the bottom left of the window

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'enhanced rendering effects are ENABLED/DISABLED'

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 9:43 AM

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yeah, pressing tab says nothing

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I'll go ahead and update.

light prism Mar 24, 2018, 9:44 AM

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oh ok

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you can bind that key to something under tools->preferences

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 9:44 AM

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Now ot just figure out what old files I need to delete.

light prism Mar 24, 2018, 9:44 AM

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its near the bottom

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you should be safe to delete everything

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 9:45 AM

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I should still probably grab my map files though.

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Plus I have GZdoom installed in the same folder.

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Probably wasn't the wisest decision.

light prism Mar 24, 2018, 9:52 AM

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just put it in a new folder then

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 9:59 AM

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mmhm

light prism Mar 24, 2018, 10:40 AM

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woo

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starting to make PBR's for my texture pack

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 10:42 AM

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PBR?

light prism Mar 24, 2018, 10:47 AM

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Physically Based Rendering

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https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=59473

ZDoom • View topic - Materials (PBR, Specular, Normal maps)

Discussion about ZDoom

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 10:52 AM

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Interesting.

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 11:58 AM

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Anyone here joining the Vinesauce mapping contest?

light prism Mar 24, 2018, 12:09 PM

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theres another one?

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 12:10 PM

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Ye.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UlFPCsdiPk

YouTube

Vargskelethor Uncut: Full Joel Streams

[Vinesauce] Joel - Doom Contest II: Hellectric Boogaloo ANNOUNCEMENT

https://contest.vargskelethor.me/ Its time again! http://vinesauce.com http://www.twitch.tv/vargskelethor https://twitter.com/vinesauce https://twitter.com/j...

▶ Play video

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...never mind then.

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The submissions are over.

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Now to just wait for him to actually stream them.

light prism Mar 24, 2018, 12:20 PM

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📎 gzdoom_2018-03-25_01-13-57-47.gif

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mmm normal maps and specularity

timber bridge Mar 24, 2018, 12:25 PM

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creamy

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 12:32 PM

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Shiny.

hexed sky Mar 24, 2018, 1:04 PM

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still waiting for those streams

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also dawm

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those look nice

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a gif doesn't really do it much justice though

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should have done a webm

languid crypt Mar 24, 2018, 1:11 PM

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Can someone tell me if GZdoom 3.2.5 is under the GPL license or not?

unreal oyster Mar 24, 2018, 1:22 PM

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It is

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 1:31 PM

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How do I use UDMF in Doom Builder?

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nvm.

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I found a game config named "Zdoom (Doom in UDMF format)"

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I think this is it.

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Is it?

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Well

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I upgraded my Doom Builder and GZDoom, but pressing tab still doesn't show the platform.

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But wait.

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Are you talking about GZdoom builder, or Doom Builder 2?

unreal oyster Mar 24, 2018, 1:57 PM

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DB2 might be too old for UDMF, it's definitely too old for its full feature set at any rate

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You should just use https://devbuilds.drdteam.org/gzdbbf/

DRD Team Development Builds • Listing of gzdbbf/

SVN Builds

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Unless your computer can't run it or something

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 1:59 PM

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That might explain things.

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"Update check failed: failed to retrieve remote revision info.
Check your Internet connection and try again."

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What?

unreal oyster Mar 24, 2018, 2:00 PM

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Ignore it

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It's an issue that's happening for everyone using the program rn

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 2:01 PM

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"Unable to read the map data with the specified configuration. IndexOutOfRangeException:" is what I get when I try to load my old map.

unreal oyster Mar 24, 2018, 2:01 PM

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Uh, interesting

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I'm not sure about that one

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 2:01 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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Well shit.

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Eh, the map was mostly for experimenting with doom mapping.

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I hadn't even placed a single enemy in yet.

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Which script type will I use?

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📎 unknown.png

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This looks like I should work, but it is still not visible.

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Even though I press tab.

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Unless I did it in reverse or something.

eager frigate Mar 24, 2018, 2:17 PM

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what are you trying to do?

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 2:17 PM

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3D floors

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never mind.

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I got it working.

light prism Mar 24, 2018, 2:29 PM

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📎 Screenshot_Doom_20180325_032450.png

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i am definitely enjoying pbr

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 2:31 PM

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The only next logical step is to add bump mapping

light prism Mar 24, 2018, 2:33 PM

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it has normal maps

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well some textures, still working on it

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📎 Screenshot_Doom_20180325_033523.png

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increased the spec/gloss on the hex

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 2:37 PM

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Is this your map?

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I'm guessing it's better to first set up the general layout of the level before doing any of the more final touches.

light prism Mar 24, 2018, 2:51 PM

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its my map and my texture pack

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and ill work on em in whatever order i gosh darn well please

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 2:55 PM

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The latter comment wasn't about your map.

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It was just me thinking what is a good workflow for making a doom map.

light prism Mar 24, 2018, 2:56 PM

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well sure

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but it can really be up to what works for you

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 2:57 PM

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What the hell did I do?
Invisible revenants?!

light prism Mar 24, 2018, 2:57 PM

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sometimes i just want to detail and other times im thinking more of trap setups

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 2:59 PM

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How does one determine whether an enemy can hear gunshots?

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GZdoom builder doesn't have the "deaf" setting, so what replaces it?

light prism Mar 24, 2018, 2:59 PM

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block sound lines

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oh, its called ambush

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 2:59 PM

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kk

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but for some reason, I put two chaingunners and a revenant behind a door and gave none of them the ambush tag

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yet they still can't hear me

shadow bone Mar 24, 2018, 3:02 PM

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Sound is blocked if there's no open path between sectors, so doors block sound because the sector is closed.

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If you want them to hear you behind the door, you need to make some kind of path for the sound to travel.

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 3:16 PM

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I'm guessing even the smallest rat hole through a wall is enough.

shadow bone Mar 24, 2018, 3:20 PM

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Yes. There's a bunch of maps in classic Doom that do this (MAP01 of Doom2, the hidden imp closet, for example).

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 3:23 PM

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The one on the exit door layer or atop the elevator?

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Because i thought the lower imp closet opened via proximity.

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Lastly, how do I not have the sides of a door slide open?

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I see it in maps all the time, and I don't want that newbie issue to be in mine.

shadow bone Mar 24, 2018, 3:27 PM

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The one next to the caged imp near the exit door. Those imps will hear you if you fire a gun in the last hallway. If you fire before that hallway, they won't hear because the hallway has two "block sound" lines. Clever design, really.

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Are you referring to the "door tracks"?

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If so, set those lines to "Lower Unpegged"

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 3:31 PM

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Yep.

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Thanks.

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 7:51 PM

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How did you make the top bit invisible again?

📎 unknown.png

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I wouldn't have lowered the ceiling all the way down if the middle texture didn't get stuck to the ceiling instead of the floor.

haughty flower Mar 24, 2018, 9:01 PM

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You were supposed to shift the midtex down until it was at the floor, not lower the ceiling of a sector until the midtex is at the floor.

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 9:02 PM

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midtex?

shadow bone Mar 24, 2018, 9:42 PM

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A side has three textures: Upper, middle, and lower

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 9:54 PM

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It is the midtexture.

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I think.

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Which one do I change here then?

📎 unknown.png

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I remember there being some trick where you put a missing texture atop a wall, the walls would become seethrough

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The strangest thing is

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I've done this once already.

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So why do I not remember how to do it?

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And midtextures are usually possible to pass through them.

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So how did I make them not that back then?

unkempt wadi Mar 24, 2018, 10:01 PM

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in the properties tab amongst a very very long list of attributes one of them is something like "impassible"

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check that one

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 10:01 PM

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Makes sense.

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Now to just figure out how the hell I'm supposed to get that grate down from the ceiling.

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And invisible/see-through walls too.

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I can make opaque ones. I think.

unkempt wadi Mar 24, 2018, 10:04 PM

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on the front tab one of the offsets makes the grate not be Up There

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i think the second middle offset?

remote coral Mar 24, 2018, 10:05 PM

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I thoight it only moved the texture along the small grate texture -high area.

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That brings to another question.

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What if I want i the midtexture to be taller?

unkempt wadi Mar 24, 2018, 10:06 PM

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idk this is where my knowledge ends

zinc egret Mar 24, 2018, 10:14 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W57fP05-K9U

YouTube

Doom Video Vault

Doom WAD Playthrough - Phobos the Doomed Moon, E1M4

A rough week and lack of inspiration is why video uploads have been erratic. Get it here: https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=57398 ----------------...

▶ Play video

light prism Mar 25, 2018, 4:40 AM

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@remote coral if you want a midtexture to fill the area between ceiling and floor, check the 'wrap midtexture' flag

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on the lines in question

remote coral Mar 25, 2018, 6:51 AM

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Goddamn

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It was probably a good idea for me to switch to GZDoom builder

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This is so much more advanced

light prism Mar 25, 2018, 8:05 AM

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yep

remote coral Mar 25, 2018, 8:19 AM

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Y'know what irritates me the most though?

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The fact that the visual mode hotkey was changed from W to Q.

unreal oyster Mar 25, 2018, 8:23 AM

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You can change all the keybinds in the settings

light prism Mar 25, 2018, 9:00 AM

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mmmmm fuck yes pbr

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📎 Screenshot_Doom_20180325_215914.png

remote coral Mar 25, 2018, 9:03 AM

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oh my goodness

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That looks glorious

light prism Mar 25, 2018, 9:03 AM

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compared to texture by itself

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📎 unknown.png

remote coral Mar 25, 2018, 10:22 AM

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Is it possible to make a door open if an imp fireball hits it?

light prism Mar 25, 2018, 10:24 AM

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sure

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just flag it as activated by projectile crossing/hit

remote coral Mar 25, 2018, 10:24 AM

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I tried putting a linedef in front of the door with "any crossing non-missile activates"

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wait, the door?

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So you don't have to put a linedef in front of it?

light prism Mar 25, 2018, 10:25 AM

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you shouldnt have to

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depends though

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are you expecting the fireball to be able to pass through the door

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like, the door opens well before the fireball gets there?

remote coral Mar 25, 2018, 10:26 AM

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No, I want the door to open when the fireball hits it

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This is what I have.

📎 unknown.png

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the selected are on the side is the door.

light prism Mar 25, 2018, 10:29 AM

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the line has to be part of the door and have its front side facing away from the inside of the door sector

remote coral Mar 25, 2018, 10:30 AM

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I have added this property to all of the sides of the door.

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Do I just need to attach this to the sector?

light prism Mar 25, 2018, 10:32 AM

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it only needs to be on the twosided lines of the door

remote coral Mar 25, 2018, 10:33 AM

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twosided lines?

light prism Mar 25, 2018, 10:33 AM

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lines that have a sector on both sides of them

remote coral Mar 25, 2018, 10:33 AM

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So the ones that are facing open air?

light prism Mar 25, 2018, 10:33 AM

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they show up as darker

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yes

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you see the lines have little sticks pointing out of them

remote coral Mar 25, 2018, 10:33 AM

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📎 unknown.png

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All of them are colored the same.

light prism Mar 25, 2018, 10:33 AM

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that denotes the front side

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thats because you have them selected

remote coral Mar 25, 2018, 10:34 AM

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I know the front and back side.

light prism Mar 25, 2018, 10:34 AM

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if you press shift-2 with that selection it will select only the two sided lines

remote coral Mar 25, 2018, 10:35 AM

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still doesn't do anything.

light prism Mar 25, 2018, 10:35 AM

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fine, clear your selection and just choose the sides that have door textures on them

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the sides facing out from the sector with a door texture on their upper texture slot

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those are the only two lines that need a door special (raise, open, whatever)

remote coral Mar 25, 2018, 10:36 AM

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But do I need to tag the door?

light prism Mar 25, 2018, 10:36 AM

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and that special can be flagged with repeatable, use, and projectile crosses/hits

remote coral Mar 25, 2018, 10:36 AM

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This is what I have on both of those.

📎 unknown.png

light prism Mar 25, 2018, 10:36 AM

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not if the lines are part of the door sector

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thats more for if youre opening with a switch or a line cross

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actions will always apply to the sector behind them if you leave tag as 0

remote coral Mar 25, 2018, 10:37 AM

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Well

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I have both of the open air sides of the door set to those settings

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I haven't tagged the sector

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And it still doesn't work when an imp hits it

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goddamnit

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Here's the map if you want to have a look. The problematic door is in the bottom right corner.

📎 3DTEST.wad

light prism Mar 25, 2018, 10:41 AM

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hmm i made my own

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and youre right

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it works with player projectiles but not monster

remote coral Mar 25, 2018, 10:44 AM

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but it's any crossing non-missile.

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So wait

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could a BFG activate it?

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Show me what parts you've selected and edited.

light prism Mar 25, 2018, 10:46 AM

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wtf

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just the door lines damnit

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dont use any crossing non-missile

remote coral Mar 25, 2018, 10:46 AM

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then what?

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oh

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"on projectile impact"?

light prism Mar 25, 2018, 10:47 AM

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those dont work either

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they only work for the player

remote coral Mar 25, 2018, 10:47 AM

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oh ffs

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what can I do then?

light prism Mar 25, 2018, 10:47 AM

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tag the door and make a line in front of it that is activated only by projectile crosses

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impact doesnt seem to work for some reason

remote coral Mar 25, 2018, 10:48 AM

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That's what I tried at first.

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Did I put the projectile line too close then?

light prism Mar 25, 2018, 10:48 AM

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probably not

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why are you even trying this, its not like the imp is going to shoot at you when the door is closed anyway

remote coral Mar 25, 2018, 10:50 AM

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It's an experiment.

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Now I put it further away, and the imp fireball doesn't open it.
But guess what does?
The player!

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This is so aggravating

light prism Mar 25, 2018, 10:52 AM

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📎 works.wad

remote coral Mar 25, 2018, 10:54 AM

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Sure, that works.

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I'm just trying to make a door close when it gets hit.

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I can make that with bullets.

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last newbie question.

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How do I select the song that's supposed to play in the wad?

light prism Mar 25, 2018, 11:10 AM

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https://zdoom.org/wiki/MAPINFO/Map_definition

Map definition

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you need a MAPINFO lump that tells it

surreal meteor Mar 25, 2018, 3:42 PM

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@remote coral I submitted two maps and my brother submitted one. although he probably wont play my second one. heres both of mine if you want to see them.

📎 Autismuss_Wrath.wad

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📎 My_First_wad.wad

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'my first wad' is obviously a joke wad

remote coral Mar 25, 2018, 3:58 PM

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But can't you submit only one?

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And now do I see if I'm playing on hardware mode?

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I like your WAD already

📎 unknown.png

timber bridge Mar 25, 2018, 4:04 PM

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2spooky

remote coral Mar 25, 2018, 4:20 PM

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I managed to break your map
(thought you can't go anywhere from here, so this map break was useless)

📎 unknown.png

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I didn't jump up there BTW.

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I love the spinning red lights.

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Great WAD though.

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A bit too many spectres for my liking.

surreal meteor Mar 25, 2018, 4:51 PM

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@remote coral did you shoot the eyes lmao

remote coral Mar 25, 2018, 4:51 PM

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No?

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Should I have?

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checking

surreal meteor Mar 25, 2018, 4:51 PM

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also you're supposed to go back to the start room once you get all the keys

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to get to the end

remote coral Mar 25, 2018, 4:51 PM

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I did go there.

surreal meteor Mar 25, 2018, 4:51 PM

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oh

remote coral Mar 25, 2018, 4:51 PM

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I found a pacifistic archvile.

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And the exit portal.

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With a nice finale.

surreal meteor Mar 25, 2018, 4:52 PM

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i thought you said the last screenshot is where you stopped lol

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nice

remote coral Mar 25, 2018, 4:52 PM

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Overall a satisfying wad.

surreal meteor Mar 25, 2018, 4:52 PM

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i made the arch vile friendly just to scare joel lmao

remote coral Mar 25, 2018, 4:52 PM

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No, I meant that you couldn't go over the stairs in the spot where I took the screenshot.

surreal meteor Mar 25, 2018, 4:52 PM

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oh

remote coral Mar 25, 2018, 4:52 PM

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I managed ot run to the place I was standing on from the balcony on the left side.

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Without jumping.

surreal meteor Mar 25, 2018, 4:53 PM

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oh dang

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honestly if you got the blue key without going through the other side thats fine

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it makes it a lot easier to get bfg tho lol

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also i just made another account to submit the other level

remote coral Mar 25, 2018, 4:54 PM

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oof

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wouldn't the disqualify you from the competition?

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Anyway

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how'd you make that rotating spurdo?

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And where did you get the custom assets?

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I remember there being some website dedicated to the latter.

surreal meteor Mar 25, 2018, 5:06 PM

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Spurdo? also i got the assets from realm667

hard elmBOT Mar 25, 2018, 5:18 PM

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dynoSuccess Two Simple Eggs (Okkim)#2629 has been warned

remote coral Mar 25, 2018, 5:19 PM

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Wot

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How was that rule breaking? It was a pair of countries.

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I don't understand this server sometimes.

timber bridge Mar 25, 2018, 6:13 PM

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because dong

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admins don't want porn or nsfw

remote coral Mar 25, 2018, 6:30 PM

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The dong was technically censored.
The countries were in the way.

light prism Mar 25, 2018, 7:28 PM

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this is #classic-doom-maps-mods

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if it was a dong made of sectors it would have been fine

cerulean frigate Mar 26, 2018, 3:07 AM

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So for texture work, are parallax textures a possible thing in the gzdoom engine?

light prism Mar 26, 2018, 3:12 AM

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like parallax mapping?

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not natively

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you could probably approximate it with shaders

cerulean frigate Mar 26, 2018, 3:21 AM

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Alright

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The new shader system in 3.3.0 looked interesting

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I wanted to see what kinds of things can be done in this engine texture wise

light prism Mar 26, 2018, 3:28 AM

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:3

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📎 Screenshot_Doom_20180325_215914.png

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if there was displacement i would have raised the rivet heads out a bit

cerulean frigate Mar 26, 2018, 3:30 AM

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Specular mapping

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I love it

light prism Mar 26, 2018, 3:30 AM

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actually no specular on that, its pbr

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anyway gotta go

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hometime~

cerulean frigate Mar 26, 2018, 3:31 AM

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Alright

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I seem to have gotten spec and PBR confused somehow

prisma saddle Mar 26, 2018, 3:59 AM

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Whoa.

light prism Mar 26, 2018, 4:33 AM

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well gzdoom supports two methods atm

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normal + specular map

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or normal + metalmap + ao + roughness

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(+brightmap)

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which is essentially pbr

main lichen Mar 26, 2018, 5:04 AM

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what would be the legality of making a full game using GZDoom as an engine

prisma saddle Mar 26, 2018, 5:10 AM

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It's legal, but there are a few requirements.

main lichen Mar 26, 2018, 5:11 AM

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like?

main lichen Mar 26, 2018, 5:29 AM

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@prisma saddle

prisma saddle Mar 26, 2018, 5:29 AM

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I'm not sure.

light prism Mar 26, 2018, 5:42 AM

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📎 Screenshot_Doom_20180326_184119.png

main lichen Mar 26, 2018, 5:49 AM

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if nuts has shown me anything, absurd amounts of shit actually works in the doom engine somehow

prisma saddle Mar 26, 2018, 6:02 AM

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Looking good Cat.

hexed sky Mar 26, 2018, 6:47 AM

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filtered tho

main lichen Mar 26, 2018, 7:09 AM

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random question

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ive seen people replace items with 3d models, is it possible to replace guns with them

light prism Mar 26, 2018, 7:12 AM

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yes

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its exactly the same method

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except the origin for hud models is a bit weird

real hatch Mar 26, 2018, 7:25 AM

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that is some sexy shading

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preview of what's to come in joel's doom wad contest, when he fucking starts it

📎 Screenshot_Doom_20180326_182640.png

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📎 Screenshot_Doom_20180326_182655.png

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📎 Screenshot_Doom_20180326_182658.png

remote coral Mar 26, 2018, 11:02 AM

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@main lichen well Ion Maiden is made in the Doom engine
Not sure what sourceport though

prisma saddle Mar 26, 2018, 11:08 AM

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No, it's make in Eduke, which is a build engine port.

remote coral Mar 26, 2018, 11:12 AM

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Still based on Doom's source code IIRC.
That, or Duke Nukem 3D's.

hexed sky Mar 26, 2018, 1:01 PM

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ah, we postan stuff we made for jobel?

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📎 Screenshot_Doom_20180224_151552.png

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📎 Screenshot_Doom_20180225_002258.png

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📎 Screenshot_Doom_20180223_212604.png

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📎 Screenshot_Doom_20180223_201437.png

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📎 Screenshot_Doom_20180219_220408.png

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I can't wait to watch him get spooked

shadow bone Mar 26, 2018, 1:07 PM

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Detroit Is In Chicago: what would be the legality of making a full game using GZDoom as an engine
@Detroit Is In Chicago#0342 Mostly, you have to follow the GPL.

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a big part of that is making the source code available

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Obviously you have to have the rights to any creative assets (textures, sprites, sounds, etc) you use.

real hatch Mar 26, 2018, 1:21 PM

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jesus christ

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i have no chance with this

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like

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how

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even

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do you make gzdoom look this good

lavish hollow Mar 26, 2018, 1:22 PM

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code

real hatch Mar 26, 2018, 1:23 PM

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what part

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like

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zscript or something

remote coral Mar 26, 2018, 1:42 PM

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That's for the doom mapping contest?

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Goddamn

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Are you sure you began working on it when it was announced?

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Lastly, why do some of those pics look like they're DOS paintings?
Is it a deliberate artstyle?

real hatch Mar 26, 2018, 1:43 PM

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it's some shader i think

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but seriously how the fuck

timber bridge Mar 26, 2018, 1:45 PM

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what would be the possibilities of making chicago in GZDoom

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🤔

remote coral Mar 26, 2018, 1:45 PM

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People have managed to connect every single map of all four of Doom 1's chapters

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I'd say it's possible to make chicago too

timber bridge Mar 26, 2018, 1:50 PM

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wait yeah it's already made

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BD hell on earth starter pack

hexed sky Mar 26, 2018, 4:15 PM

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oh that?

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I started after it was announced, yes

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and I finished like 4 days before the deadline

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it was pretty tight

vernal topaz Mar 26, 2018, 5:12 PM

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@light prism That's cool i didnt know you could make floors all glimmery like that

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they look wet lol

main lichen Mar 26, 2018, 5:17 PM

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It's duke nukems

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@remote coral

vernal topaz Mar 26, 2018, 5:20 PM

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btw if anyone is looking to practice some mapping, I have a little mapping gym over on doomer boards

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there's a little mapping event going on here for the month of april: http://doomer.boards.net/thread/1137/ti-community-project-circle-caina

[ti]community[/ti]DB Project #02 - Circle of Caina | Doomer Boards

Sup Doomers. While you're waiting for DB#01 to get wrapped up, today we can start mapping for Doomer Boards community project #02! ooga booga! It's pretty simple. Below is a wad which

light prism Mar 26, 2018, 5:57 PM

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@vernal topaz - yeah pbr just got introduced in one of the latest revisions

vernal topaz Mar 26, 2018, 6:52 PM

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that's cool, do you have to like... edit it into your maps or is there like a general definition file that works on all textures?

main lichen Mar 26, 2018, 7:21 PM

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is it possible to replace guns as a texture with 3D models like you can with items?

shadow bone Mar 26, 2018, 7:22 PM

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Yup!

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Don't ask me how, but I know it's possible

remote coral Mar 26, 2018, 7:23 PM

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People have done it with enemies, so I'd imagine it's possible with weapons.

shadow bone Mar 26, 2018, 7:24 PM

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@royal wave perhaps you can help here. Didn't you use weapon models for some project you're working on?

royal wave Mar 26, 2018, 7:24 PM

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I did not

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I hand animate my weapons in flash

shadow bone Mar 26, 2018, 7:24 PM

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Ah

lavish hollow Mar 26, 2018, 7:24 PM

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hunter's moon does model weapons

shadow bone Mar 26, 2018, 7:24 PM

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Ooo, yes, good example

royal wave Mar 26, 2018, 7:25 PM

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I do know how to use blender, kinda

lavish hollow Mar 26, 2018, 7:25 PM

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yeah I bet you do

royal wave Mar 26, 2018, 7:25 PM

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Can't animate for you though

lavish hollow Mar 26, 2018, 7:25 PM

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I think he was just asking for clarification

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scroll up a tad

royal wave Mar 26, 2018, 7:26 PM

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ah right

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I'm tired

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shut up

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your overlord commands it

lavish hollow Mar 26, 2018, 7:26 PM

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no

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you may be my overlord, but you are NOT my daddy

light prism Mar 26, 2018, 7:27 PM

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@vernal topaz - it's just like doing brightmaps basically

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just a definition file, or stuffing same-named files under the 'auto' folders of normals\ specular\ etc

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@main lichen pretty sure i told you that yes, you can make hud weapon models

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its exactly the same method as doing models for anything else, except the origin is a bit wacky

royal wave Mar 26, 2018, 7:28 PM

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yo, 40oz is here? Shit I heard about what happened recently

light prism Mar 26, 2018, 7:28 PM

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I didn't

lavish hollow Mar 26, 2018, 7:28 PM

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me neither

light prism Mar 26, 2018, 7:28 PM

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let me guess, admin/moderator drama on a forum/another server

royal wave Mar 26, 2018, 7:28 PM

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Something of that sort

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I'll let @vernal topaz talk about it if he likes

vernal topaz Mar 26, 2018, 7:29 PM

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banned on doomworld for stuff that didn't take place on doomworld

lavish hollow Mar 26, 2018, 7:29 PM

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I have a question

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40 ounces of what

light prism Mar 26, 2018, 7:29 PM

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exactly

royal wave Mar 26, 2018, 7:29 PM

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And that's why we don't take that place seriously

light prism Mar 26, 2018, 7:30 PM

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40 ounces of exactly

vernal topaz Mar 26, 2018, 7:30 PM

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malt liquor, orange juice, semen, whatever

lavish hollow Mar 26, 2018, 7:30 PM

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40 ounces of exactly what

royal wave Mar 26, 2018, 7:30 PM

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All of the above?

lavish hollow Mar 26, 2018, 7:30 PM

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hell yes

shadow bone Mar 26, 2018, 7:30 PM

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Mixed or separated?

lavish hollow Mar 26, 2018, 7:30 PM

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shaken not stirred

light prism Mar 26, 2018, 7:31 PM

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@vernal topaz - https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=59473

ZDoom • View topic - Materials (PBR, Specular, Normal maps)

Discussion about ZDoom

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they dont look great at doom texture resolutions really

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so im remaking my texture pack at 2x

vernal topaz Mar 26, 2018, 7:31 PM

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but yeah, sarais is banned on doomworld and he signed up on my forum -- and linguica sent me a message ordering me to ban sarais from my forum else he will ban me on doomworld

lavish hollow Mar 26, 2018, 7:31 PM

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damn

shadow bone Mar 26, 2018, 7:32 PM

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Specular style looks pretty decent with Doom textures, as per Nash's demo

vernal topaz Mar 26, 2018, 7:32 PM

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and i responded with a message to the effect of "we really should talk about this" and I was banned shortly after

royal wave Mar 26, 2018, 7:32 PM

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That's honestly bs

lavish hollow Mar 26, 2018, 7:32 PM

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I didn't know linguica would do something that dickish

royal wave Mar 26, 2018, 7:32 PM

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Despite Sarais' reputation, that's no grounds for someone to ban you

light prism Mar 26, 2018, 7:32 PM

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@shadow bone - yeah, in the demo he has simple line/tiles, but when you get more complex/gritty stuff it looks poo

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(ive been experimenting)

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looks better at higher res anyway

vernal topaz Mar 26, 2018, 7:32 PM

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it was the final straw I think, Linguica is tight with a few people who hate my guts

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so I think he's been looking for a reason to get rid of me for a long time

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i skirt around the rules a lot

royal wave Mar 26, 2018, 7:34 PM

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you do cater to the community members that gets banned. Contrary to popular belief, most Doom staff don't ban because fuck you, so seeing someone offer them a second chance is not a very favorable image

vernal topaz Mar 26, 2018, 7:34 PM

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yeah i understand it

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that's the image I have, but I cater to all doomers

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there's a lot of private message exchanges I have with plenty people who wanted testing/mapping feedback

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but I didn't have access to people who have been banned for other reasons until doomer boards started up

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idk i shouldn't be making excuses -- but the moderation on doomworld used to be way more laxed when I first showed up

light prism Mar 26, 2018, 7:37 PM

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i cant remember 40oz, do you do sketching

royal wave Mar 26, 2018, 7:37 PM

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Doom world isn't taken very seriously by the rest of the community

vernal topaz Mar 26, 2018, 7:37 PM

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i don't even know where the rest of the community is. Is this it?

royal wave Mar 26, 2018, 7:37 PM

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This is sort of the Reddit community of Doom

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We're a bit different with being all encompassing

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But ZDoom, Zand, 3DGE

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I've never really heard anything postive spoken about doom world from them

vernal topaz Mar 26, 2018, 7:38 PM

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@light prism not really, I've watched a few youtube videos about drawing, and I've made clouds and landscapes to use as skies

light prism Mar 26, 2018, 7:38 PM

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its turtles all the way down

unreal oyster Mar 26, 2018, 7:38 PM

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i'm fairly neither here nor there on doomworld's moderation, but i don't think saying they're not taken seriously by everyone else is not really accurate

vernal topaz Mar 26, 2018, 7:38 PM

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but i don't really have anything I've shared with most people

light prism Mar 26, 2018, 7:39 PM

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40oz - Oh, I'm trying to remember who from jetsons did my VTSC mod monster concept art

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so many years ago

unreal oyster Mar 26, 2018, 7:39 PM

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there's definitely a ton of overlap between people with zdoom and zand accounts and people with doomworld accounts

royal wave Mar 26, 2018, 7:39 PM

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Then i guess take what I say with a grain of salt

vernal topaz Mar 26, 2018, 7:39 PM

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i dont think that was me TMC

royal wave Mar 26, 2018, 7:39 PM

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I'll rephrase: I've personally have never heard anything positive about Doom world

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not mostly negative mind you

unreal oyster Mar 26, 2018, 7:40 PM

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i think you can say that about any forum, people don't really go out of their way to talk about forums they like, heh

royal wave Mar 26, 2018, 7:40 PM

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just nothing that would be put on a metaphorical resume

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Pfff, in the Doom community? People never shut up about other places

unreal oyster Mar 26, 2018, 7:41 PM

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i've never heard good things about zdoom forums outside of the zdoom forums, because the people who like the zdoom forums have no reason to talk about it outside of the zdoom forums, heh

light prism Mar 26, 2018, 7:41 PM

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ive never heard anything out of my right ear

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because i have microtia

royal wave Mar 26, 2018, 7:42 PM

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dude man you're missing out on a lot of right eared things

vernal topaz Mar 26, 2018, 7:42 PM

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haha

unreal oyster Mar 26, 2018, 7:42 PM

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i generally do prefer being on zdf than on doomworld, but it's mainly because i feel that an annoying minority of people on doomworld have a very old-fashioned retrophile mindset that i'm not too into

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and i'd say that those people are a minority, but they're outspoken enough to be annoying

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and by that, i don't mean boom mappers or anything, i mean elitists

light prism Mar 26, 2018, 7:43 PM

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id like to talk about what its like only being able to hear out of one ear, but it gets really monotonous

vernal topaz Mar 26, 2018, 7:44 PM

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yeah I've read some posts from newer doom members who say its really hard to develop as a mapper there because people kind of assume everything there is to know about mapping is already known, and you're just nagging them about questions they've already answered

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so they just kinda give you a rude paraphrased version of a useful answer

lavish hollow Mar 26, 2018, 7:44 PM

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are you a parent @light prism because that's the only explanation I can find for your jokes

unreal oyster Mar 26, 2018, 7:44 PM

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and also one thing that does irk me is that doomworld's moderation is too laid back imo compared to zdf, to the point at which people fling shit at each other on controversial topics way more than i notice on zdf

royal wave Mar 26, 2018, 7:45 PM

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We personally try to avoid that mentality here about mapping

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and the ZDF discord as well, but it's a lot harder to get a response from there out of personal experience

vernal topaz Mar 26, 2018, 7:45 PM

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I like the shit flinging

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considering how much of an enabler of shit flinging I am, I don't get very much of it on Doomer Boards

light prism Mar 26, 2018, 7:47 PM

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we try to avoid mentality around here

royal wave Mar 26, 2018, 7:47 PM

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I only stir shit when i know the situation is ridiculous enough

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you know that personally, huh @vernal topaz <3

vernal topaz Mar 26, 2018, 7:47 PM

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except for Justince, he's at war with Contra Commando right now

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haha yeah

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There's an expectation on a lot of forums that all flame wars and arguing needs to be stopped with arbitrary action but I just know from experience that if people have a dispute over something that they can't talk out, it starts to come out in other places

light prism Mar 26, 2018, 7:49 PM

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that's what she said

vernal topaz Mar 26, 2018, 7:50 PM

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i think these kind of arguments have to follow through and work themselves out.

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I've heard from a lot of people who say being a member of doomworld is like walking on eggshells, and a happy community shouldn't feel that way

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alright ill stop my motivational speech seminar. It's just on my mind a lot i guess.

light prism Mar 26, 2018, 7:55 PM

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community politics gives me a tummy ache

timber bridge Mar 26, 2018, 8:07 PM

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meme politics

cerulean frigate Mar 26, 2018, 9:37 PM

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Do I have to make sure the texture files are in a certain place for the new shaders to work?

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Because I made a few textures, defined everything in the material.gl as instructed, and they still don't show up in game

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I put them in the same place my regular diffuse texture is for the md3 model

light prism Mar 27, 2018, 1:23 AM

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show me your structure

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also look at the QZSPecular file example

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oh also

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if you are defining in gldefs with a long name ("textures/MyTexture.PNG")

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you will need to select that specific long name in gzdb

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that fooled me for a while too

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@cerulean frigate

cerulean frigate Mar 27, 2018, 1:32 AM

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I looked at the file to use as an example of what I should do

light prism Mar 27, 2018, 1:32 AM

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oh its for a model?

cerulean frigate Mar 27, 2018, 1:32 AM

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Yes, md3 model

light prism Mar 27, 2018, 1:32 AM

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i havent done that yet

cerulean frigate Mar 27, 2018, 1:32 AM

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I saw them do the same thing for a model in the demo pack

light prism Mar 27, 2018, 1:33 AM

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you probably need to change the path to reference the textures folder

cerulean frigate Mar 27, 2018, 1:33 AM

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material texture mp40tex {
normal models/mp40texnrm.png
metallic models/mp40texmetal.png
roughness models/mp40texrough.png
ao models/mp40texao.png
specular models/mp40texrough.png
specularlevel 0.5
glossiness 10
}

light prism Mar 27, 2018, 1:33 AM

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if i had to guess

cerulean frigate Mar 27, 2018, 1:33 AM

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All textures are in the models folder

light prism Mar 27, 2018, 1:33 AM

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in the MODELDEF

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put the textures in the textures folder

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or reference the folder for the texture

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like material texture models\mymodel\mp40tex.png

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though it might only apply to files under the textures\ namespace

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which means you need your model textures under the textures\ folder (or in a subfolder under it like textures\models\mymodel)

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then in your MODELDEF you redirect the path to the texture

cerulean frigate Mar 27, 2018, 1:35 AM

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I noticed these don't define a simple diffuse map

light prism Mar 27, 2018, 1:35 AM

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like path "models\mymodel" model 0 "mymodel.md3" path "textures\models\mymodel" skin 0 "myskin.png"

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the texture itself is the diffuse map

cerulean frigate Mar 27, 2018, 1:35 AM

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I assumed I could just leave it assigned via the modeldef

light prism Mar 27, 2018, 1:38 AM

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well when you first were able to modify model textures via brightmapping, it was done by redirecting the patch

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path

cerulean frigate Mar 27, 2018, 1:38 AM

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I just made a simple textures folder

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Placed in the root folder

light prism Mar 27, 2018, 1:38 AM

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im at work so i cant help directly

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but when i get home i will try and see what happens

cerulean frigate Mar 27, 2018, 1:38 AM

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Alright

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Thanks

light prism Mar 27, 2018, 4:18 AM

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k home now

golden drum Mar 27, 2018, 4:22 AM

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Tf when nobody's posting beginner WADs to criticise

light prism Mar 27, 2018, 4:34 AM

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go ahead

light prism Mar 27, 2018, 4:55 AM

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@cerulean frigate

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📎 Screenshot_Doom_20180327_175447.png

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📎 testsphere.pk3

light prism Mar 27, 2018, 6:02 AM

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some metal variants

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📎 Screenshot_Doom_20180327_190204.png

golden drum Mar 27, 2018, 6:32 AM

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making an hd texture pack or something? @light prism

light prism Mar 27, 2018, 6:32 AM

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makin pbr textures

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2x the res of my current pack

golden drum Mar 27, 2018, 6:33 AM

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pbr? wuzzat

prisma saddle Mar 27, 2018, 6:40 AM

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Physically based rendering.

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Basically makes materials look realistic because you're authoring them with the physical light properties.

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GZDooM recently got Material support, which means it supports PBR and a more traditional Specular Diffuse method.

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PBR is the more modern method for things, and a Spec diffuse method is sorta the old method that's being abandoned due to it, A, not being consistent enough, and B, being a pain to make realistic materials with.

light prism Mar 27, 2018, 6:45 AM

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pbr is spec diffuse with some extra layers telling it where to spec and where to diffuse

prisma saddle Mar 27, 2018, 6:45 AM

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Yeah, that's pretty much it, really.

light prism Mar 27, 2018, 6:46 AM

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actually it doesn't have a dedicated 'specular map'

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rather it calculates that based on other maps

prisma saddle Mar 27, 2018, 6:50 AM

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Instead of the three basic maps you'd have in the old days from the early 2000s up until 2013 ish, (It's still sorta used today) you now have five or six maps, all with more physically accurate properties telling the rendering engine what it does.

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Though, like the traditional method, PBR isn't exactly standardised.

light prism Mar 27, 2018, 6:52 AM

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now all we need is displacement maps

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https://imgur.com/a/0xkp9

Imgur

prisma saddle Mar 27, 2018, 7:06 AM

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Gorgeous.

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I wonder if it works with decals too.

light prism Mar 27, 2018, 7:06 AM

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it does

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well, rather, the decal's effect makes the pbr almost unnoticeable underneath it

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or do you mean, can you make a decal with pbr?

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because you could do that with actor decals

prisma saddle Mar 27, 2018, 7:06 AM

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Decal with PBR, but now I wonder if it works with sprites too.

light prism Mar 27, 2018, 7:07 AM

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apparently normal map works as a warping effect on actors

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er, how do i describe

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oh, rather, when its used as a shader

prisma saddle Mar 27, 2018, 7:08 AM

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I want to see if that magical sprite trickery that Amid Evil uses is possible in GZDooM now.

light prism Mar 27, 2018, 7:08 AM

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https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=57385

ZDoom • View topic - Normal Map + Distortion Shader Support

Discussion about ZDoom

prisma saddle Mar 27, 2018, 7:09 AM

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Though that sort of whacky thing would probably have to be implemented first.

light prism Mar 27, 2018, 9:01 AM

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📎 Screenshot_Doom_20180327_220035.png

remote coral Mar 27, 2018, 9:35 AM

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What's the hotkey for deselecting everything?

prisma saddle Mar 27, 2018, 9:35 AM

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It should be Control D

remote coral Mar 27, 2018, 9:42 AM

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I have a hunch that making a factory map built inside a volcano might not be the grandest of ideas for a first map

remote coral Mar 27, 2018, 11:04 AM

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But I sure as hell am going to try.

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Side note: Is it possible to have two 3D objects above each other?

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Y'know, having three platforms on top of each other

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Can it be done with different sized platforms?

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Because the last time I tried it, my platforms got holes in them.

light prism Mar 27, 2018, 11:21 AM

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yes

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you can stack 3d floors

remote coral Mar 27, 2018, 12:13 PM

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Is there a tutorial for it? I can't do it myself.
Or do I just need to assign multiple 3D floor tags to the same layer, and it'll make more?

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I haven't tried that yet

shadow bone Mar 27, 2018, 1:34 PM

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You have one target sector, and three control sectors with different heights all pointing to it

remote coral Mar 27, 2018, 1:45 PM

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What?

shadow bone Mar 27, 2018, 1:50 PM

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Or do I just need to assign multiple 3D floor tags to the same layer, and it'll make more?
Yes, this.

remote coral Mar 27, 2018, 1:51 PM

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I tried doing it, and it didn't seem to do anything.
It had both tags, but it still kept using only the first one.

shadow bone Mar 27, 2018, 1:52 PM

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Okay, so you know how you have a sector with a tag, that you want to put a 3D floor in, right?

remote coral Mar 27, 2018, 1:52 PM

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never mind.

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I think I just assigned an incorrect tag value to the sector.

shadow bone Mar 27, 2018, 1:53 PM

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And you make another sector with the heights you want for the 3D floor, and one of the lines on that sets the 3D floor special and points to the target sector tag right?

remote coral Mar 27, 2018, 1:53 PM

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It works now.

shadow bone Mar 27, 2018, 1:53 PM

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okay

remote coral Mar 27, 2018, 1:54 PM

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Last thing to figure out is making a 3D skybox.

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I think.

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I'm not sure if I'll need it for my project though.

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If you use a lot of 3D floors, do you just make a giant blob of 1x1 holes outside the map?

shadow bone Mar 27, 2018, 1:58 PM

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Pretty much

dusk terrace Mar 27, 2018, 5:08 PM

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i tried changing my a_punch to a a_custompunch and i get 1 errors while parsing decorate blah blah blah

📎 unknown.png

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nevermind

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or not sounds not work

cerulean frigate Mar 27, 2018, 5:56 PM

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@light prism Thanks, but I still can't seem to get anything to show up

light prism Mar 27, 2018, 5:57 PM

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you understand they wont show up at all if there arent dynamic lights nearby, right?

cerulean frigate Mar 27, 2018, 5:57 PM

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The console says they aren't being found

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And I've tried this in maps that have the right lighting

light prism Mar 27, 2018, 5:58 PM

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follow my example exactly and it should work

cerulean frigate Mar 27, 2018, 6:05 PM

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What does it mean when it says "not found in texture 'null'"?

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Does that just mean the file path was set wrong?

light prism Mar 27, 2018, 6:13 PM

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not sure

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i would assume so

cerulean frigate Mar 27, 2018, 6:16 PM

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I tried to copy what you did in that file

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Normal and specular folders in the root folder

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Texture folder with the diffuse texture in it

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The modeldef is set to the right file path

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Materials.gl is also set to the right path

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Nothing loads

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Game keeps telling me that error

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Let me double check and see if I missed something else

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Do I not need a materials.gl def?

light prism Mar 27, 2018, 7:55 PM

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no

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thats just #included from gldefs

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as such its essentially just another gldefs file

cerulean frigate Mar 27, 2018, 7:58 PM

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I still can't figure out what I am doing wrong

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I am pretty sure the answer is going to be something obvious that will make me feel stupid

light prism Mar 27, 2018, 7:58 PM

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like your filenames having typos?

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you did checkj that shit right

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also all images are the same resolution?

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you're using the right slash / in filename pointers?

cerulean frigate Mar 27, 2018, 8:43 PM

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@light prism Pardon I had to go afk

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And yes

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material texture textures/gun/mp40tex {
normal normal/mp40texnrm.png
specular specular/mp40texrough.png
specularlevel 0.5
glossiness 50
}

#

This is the GLDEFS.LUMP

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MODEL SecretWeapon_MP40
{
PATH "MODELS"
MODEL 0 "Mp40idle.MD3"
SKIN 0 "textures/gun/mp40tex.png"
scale .3 .3 .3
ANGLEOFFSET 90
offset 5 -10 -15
FRAMEINDEX MP40 A 0 0
FRAMEINDEX MP40 B 0 0
FRAMEINDEX MP40 C 0 0
FRAMEINDEX MP40 D 0 0
FRAMEINDEX MP40 E 0 0
}

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This is the modeldef

light prism Mar 27, 2018, 8:56 PM

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you need to add another 'path' line

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after MODEL 0

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so path "models"
model 0 "blah"
path "textures/models/skin"
skin 0 "myskinisinthisfolder.png"

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i know you've just put the whole path in the file but juts try it

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instead

cerulean frigate Mar 27, 2018, 8:59 PM

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I tried that before like it showed in your test file and it didn't work, but let me do it again in case I messed something up

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Ok it's loading up the regular diffuse texture, but the game is still telling me it can't find the other maps

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Normal, and spec

unreal oyster Mar 27, 2018, 9:05 PM

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what's the error, and what did you export with?

cerulean frigate Mar 27, 2018, 9:08 PM

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SLADE

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And I keep getting the "not found in texture 'null'" error

light prism Mar 27, 2018, 9:08 PM

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are you running it as a pk3 or just the folder

unreal oyster Mar 27, 2018, 9:08 PM

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no, i mean what did you export the PBR textures with

cerulean frigate Mar 27, 2018, 9:08 PM

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Running as pk3

unreal oyster Mar 27, 2018, 9:08 PM

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because a lot of tools export as 16-bit per channel PNGs

cerulean frigate Mar 27, 2018, 9:08 PM

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Photoshop

light prism Mar 27, 2018, 9:08 PM

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oh yeah the format might be incorrect

unreal oyster Mar 27, 2018, 9:08 PM

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which gzdoom can't re- oh ok

cerulean frigate Mar 27, 2018, 9:08 PM

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I was told it can't use 16-bpp

unreal oyster Mar 27, 2018, 9:10 PM

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wait, hang on

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you didn't give a brightmap, unless i'm mistaken, all the maps are needed

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even if your brightmap is just completely black

cerulean frigate Mar 27, 2018, 9:11 PM

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SLADE says the texture is 32bpp

unreal oyster Mar 27, 2018, 9:11 PM

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that's fine, 4 * 8 is 32

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8 bits per channel

light prism Mar 27, 2018, 9:12 PM

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actually i dont think you need all maps

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he is just testing with diffuse/specular which should only need normal and specular

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which is what my test file did, and that worked

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and even if you do need all maps for pbr mode, that doesnt include brightmap apparently

cerulean frigate Mar 27, 2018, 9:14 PM

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So it's not the format or size

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📎 unknown.png

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This is the error I keep getting

light prism Mar 27, 2018, 9:17 PM

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are all those files actually under 'models/'

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theyre not in mine

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they have seperate folders off the root with the type

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normal/ specular/ etc

cerulean frigate Mar 27, 2018, 9:17 PM

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No I have the root folder set up like this

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📎 unknown.png

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Because I saw the other examples set up that way

light prism Mar 27, 2018, 9:18 PM

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ok but the errors claim you are pointing to models/ for all maps

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also that example and my example are set up the same, except mine is just normal/spec

cerulean frigate Mar 27, 2018, 9:20 PM

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My defs aren't set to point to the models folder

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I've gone over these defs like 20 times now

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Everything looks like I'm being told it's supposed to

light prism Mar 27, 2018, 9:21 PM

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tell you what

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take my example

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replace the normal, spec, texture and model

timber bridge Mar 27, 2018, 9:21 PM

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henlo

light prism Mar 27, 2018, 9:21 PM

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with yours

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and see if that works

cerulean frigate Mar 27, 2018, 9:22 PM

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Alright

light prism Mar 27, 2018, 9:22 PM

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if that doesnt work, its something to do with the files themselves

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just rename your files to mine and do summon sphere in game

cerulean frigate Mar 27, 2018, 10:05 PM

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It won't let me modify your file

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I can't add or take out files

light prism Mar 27, 2018, 10:06 PM

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...

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extract it to a folder structure

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you can run folders by dragging them onto gzdoom.exe

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you are having more issues than my gf right now

cerulean frigate Mar 27, 2018, 10:08 PM

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Lol

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Happens every time I try something new in Doom modding

cerulean frigate Mar 27, 2018, 10:48 PM

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Ok it worked

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Hard to notice though

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The spec isn't pronounced enough

cerulean frigate Mar 28, 2018, 1:11 AM

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I wonder if the problem is because I am trying to replace an existing sprite with a PBR model

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I got it working

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Finally

light prism Mar 28, 2018, 2:48 AM

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gj

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what was wrong

surreal meteor Mar 28, 2018, 11:55 PM

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Me be learn blender, me make even uglier meatball cacodemons

light prism Mar 28, 2018, 11:58 PM

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DO IT

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📎 unknown.png

surreal meteor Mar 29, 2018, 1:19 AM

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@light prism

📎 HEADA1.png

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📎 Caco1.PNG

light prism Mar 29, 2018, 1:20 AM

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yeah i remember

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i showed my gf

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its like a down syndrome caco

surreal meteor Mar 29, 2018, 1:22 AM

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lol when i finish some tutorials get ready to see some real shit

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also its mother had a cocaine problem during his development, and calling him a downie hurts his feelings.

light prism Mar 29, 2018, 2:31 AM

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📎 Screenshot_Doom_20180329_152934.png

main lichen Mar 29, 2018, 2:38 AM

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i cant stop fucking laughing at the down syndrome caco

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@surreal meteor

modern mason Mar 29, 2018, 2:41 AM

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Cacaodown

light prism Mar 29, 2018, 2:44 AM

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@surreal meteor can i have the model

main lichen Mar 29, 2018, 2:45 AM

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same

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thats fucking amazing

surreal meteor Mar 29, 2018, 2:45 AM

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It will be on moddb in a while

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ill post link

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Its too big to put into discord

main lichen Mar 29, 2018, 2:48 AM

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oof

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put it in a zip file

surreal meteor Mar 29, 2018, 2:48 AM

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okay lol

light prism Mar 29, 2018, 2:49 AM

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more pbr textures

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📎 Screenshot_Doom_20180329_154900.png

surreal meteor Mar 29, 2018, 2:49 AM

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Here yall

📎 DownyCaco.rar

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also

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it was made in sculptgl

main lichen Mar 29, 2018, 2:49 AM

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thank you

surreal meteor Mar 29, 2018, 2:50 AM

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@light prism what is pbr?

light prism Mar 29, 2018, 2:50 AM

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physically based rendering

surreal meteor Mar 29, 2018, 2:50 AM

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oh

light prism Mar 29, 2018, 2:50 AM

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its like a texture with 5 other textures that act as layers for normal/bump and spec intensity/color

surreal meteor Mar 29, 2018, 2:50 AM

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ohhh

light prism Mar 29, 2018, 2:51 AM

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https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=59473

ZDoom • View topic - Materials (PBR, Specular, Normal maps)

Discussion about ZDoom

surreal meteor Mar 29, 2018, 2:51 AM

#

do you like the gzdoom bilinear texture filtering or the vanilla pixelly look?

light prism Mar 29, 2018, 2:52 AM

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depends

surreal meteor Mar 29, 2018, 2:53 AM

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usually i hate the filter because it looks smudged

light prism Mar 29, 2018, 2:53 AM

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for more vanilla style no filtering is good

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yeah, it smudges in the distance

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but if you are playing at very high resolutions and with hires textures, or a lot of models, they tend to look better with filtering (but not necessary upscaling)