#classic-doom-maps-mods | DOOM | Page 72

tender sorrel Nov 25, 2017, 4:59 PM

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You could also make the sentry spawning item fail everytime its used

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and make the sentry actor when it spawns

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remove one spawner item from the players inventory

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That way only if sentry gun actually goes up it will consume one item

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...Maybe that would actually be simpler

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...It actually would be

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shit i went over complex again

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sorry

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@haughty flower I actually recommend doing the simpler one of just giving the sentry actor a one time state it visits when spawning to remove one item from the player inventory, it should be more consistant

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that way you wont need to check for the spot, it just needs to succeed via the spawnitem function to be consumed

haughty flower Nov 25, 2017, 5:20 PM

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wait is this zscript what the hell

tender sorrel Nov 25, 2017, 5:21 PM

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zscript is basicly decorate ++

haughty flower Nov 25, 2017, 5:22 PM

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i know but

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i'm not using zscript

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yet

tender sorrel Nov 25, 2017, 5:22 PM

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well

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then the resolve state stuff wont work

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if you just wish to decorate

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go with my simple solution

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just change the item that spawns the sentry to always fail instead of stop

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and have the sentry take one of the item that spawns the sentry from the players inventory

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if it spawns

haughty flower Nov 25, 2017, 5:25 PM

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oh

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that could work, yeah

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how am i supposed to make the sentry take the player's inventory item though @tender sorrel

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because A_TakeInventory doesn't work that way

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i'll fix that through ACS one moment

tender sorrel Nov 25, 2017, 5:27 PM

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https://zdoom.org/wiki/A_TakeInventory

A TakeInventory

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it does

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if you set the sentry and player to master relation

haughty flower Nov 25, 2017, 5:29 PM

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checking

tender sorrel Nov 25, 2017, 5:30 PM

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or you can make the sentry radius spawn another item that auto activates and that has "a_takeitem"

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cause it goes directly to players inventory and activates immidiatly

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i mean a_takeinventory

haughty flower Nov 25, 2017, 5:37 PM

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this isn't working..?

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@tender sorrel spawnitemex has SXF_SETMASTER but it isn't like, doing stuff

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oh wait one moment

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nevermind not fixed

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it still isn't working

tender sorrel Nov 25, 2017, 5:40 PM

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Odd

haughty flower Nov 25, 2017, 5:41 PM

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don't mind the custominventory giving a box, that's just so it like, doesn't deplete either way

tender sorrel Nov 25, 2017, 5:42 PM

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SXF_ORIGINATOR ? SXF_ISMASTER ?
tried these

haughty flower Nov 25, 2017, 5:42 PM

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wait what

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no i have not

tender sorrel Nov 25, 2017, 5:42 PM

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then A_TakeFromChildren

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basicly making the sentry gun the master

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and player the minion

haughty flower Nov 25, 2017, 5:44 PM

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oh

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so now if the turret doesn't spawn, it takes the box

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but if it does spawn, it doesn't take the box

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this is what i currently have

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oh i see the problem

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if the turret spawns inside a wall, it loops the spawn state taking every box ever

tender sorrel Nov 25, 2017, 5:46 PM

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Well you need to put the use item to fail

haughty flower Nov 25, 2017, 5:46 PM

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how?

tender sorrel Nov 25, 2017, 5:46 PM

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no stop

haughty flower Nov 25, 2017, 5:46 PM

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oh nevermind

tender sorrel Nov 25, 2017, 5:46 PM

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replace stop

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with fail

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and make the spawn state only one time

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not loop

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make it go to a see state or something

haughty flower Nov 25, 2017, 5:47 PM

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does this work

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yeah it does okay

tender sorrel Nov 25, 2017, 5:47 PM

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Seems to get there

haughty flower Nov 25, 2017, 5:48 PM

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now the game crashes if i use the sentry box

tender sorrel Nov 25, 2017, 5:48 PM

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wha

haughty flower Nov 25, 2017, 5:48 PM

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it just stops working and crashes

tender sorrel Nov 25, 2017, 5:48 PM

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uhh show the sentry box

haughty flower Nov 25, 2017, 5:48 PM

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it's because of the sentry

tender sorrel Nov 25, 2017, 5:48 PM

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well

haughty flower Nov 25, 2017, 5:48 PM

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tender sorrel Nov 25, 2017, 5:48 PM

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remove the a_look from the spawn

haughty flower Nov 25, 2017, 5:49 PM

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alright

tender sorrel Nov 25, 2017, 5:49 PM

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also why the clear target?

haughty flower Nov 25, 2017, 5:49 PM

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no idea

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i sort of took half the code from these things from doom 2 tower defense

tender sorrel Nov 25, 2017, 5:49 PM

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also whats with the acs_excute always

haughty flower Nov 25, 2017, 5:49 PM

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the old spaghetti code mod i guess

tender sorrel Nov 25, 2017, 5:50 PM

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what code is it suppoused to run

haughty flower Nov 25, 2017, 5:50 PM

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oh that's to check if the turret spawns on water textures, and if it does, destroys the turret

tender sorrel Nov 25, 2017, 5:50 PM

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ah

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alright

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also I think you can remove the a_look all together

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unless you have something special there

haughty flower Nov 25, 2017, 5:51 PM

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nope

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i removed it and like

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the game didn't crash

tender sorrel Nov 25, 2017, 5:51 PM

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personally here is how I went with my spawns that did something when they spawned

haughty flower Nov 25, 2017, 5:51 PM

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so that's good i guess

tender sorrel Nov 25, 2017, 5:51 PM

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    MAGE A 1
    Goto Scripted
    ScripteD:
    MAGE A 1
    MAGE A 1  ACS_NamedExecuteAlways("AnnounceWhiteZombie")
    MAGE A 1  A_Radiusgive("CHBoner",16383,RGF_NOSIGHT|RGF_MONSTERS)
    MAGE A 1
    Goto Idle
    Idle:
    MAGE A 4 A_Look
    Loop`

haughty flower Nov 25, 2017, 5:52 PM

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great

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one moment

tender sorrel Nov 25, 2017, 5:52 PM

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that way you can have the a_look there

haughty flower Nov 25, 2017, 5:52 PM

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this is correct right?

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tender sorrel Nov 25, 2017, 5:52 PM

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should be

haughty flower Nov 25, 2017, 5:53 PM

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because it doesn't take the box away

tender sorrel Nov 25, 2017, 5:53 PM

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wha

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well try make a scripted state like I did and have one TNT1 A 0 before any actions

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see if it works then

haughty flower Nov 25, 2017, 5:53 PM

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now it takes the box away

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tender sorrel Nov 25, 2017, 5:53 PM

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spawn state sometimes acts odd

haughty flower Nov 25, 2017, 5:54 PM

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but it also takes the box away when it spawns inside of a wall for example

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so

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wait

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it still spawns the sentry when inside a wall

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why?

tender sorrel Nov 25, 2017, 5:54 PM

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hmmm

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maybe the sentry spawns too far in front of player

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lower the spawnitemex's 56

haughty flower Nov 25, 2017, 5:55 PM

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ok

tender sorrel Nov 25, 2017, 5:55 PM

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to like

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32, or 24

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how big is the sentry radius wise

haughty flower Nov 25, 2017, 5:56 PM

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56 lmao

tender sorrel Nov 25, 2017, 5:56 PM

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take half of that

haughty flower Nov 25, 2017, 5:56 PM

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oh wait that's height

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it's radius is 16

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but isn't x up/down

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nevermind that's stupid

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that's Z lol

tender sorrel Nov 25, 2017, 5:56 PM

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x-/y-/zofs: The offset from the calling actor at which to spawn the new actor.

xofs: positive numbers move the spawn point further away in front of the calling actor; negative numbers - behind it.

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yofs: positive numbers move the spawn point to the right side of the actor, negative numbers - to the left side.
zofs: positive numbers move the spawn point up from the bottom of the calling actor, negative numbers move it down.

haughty flower Nov 25, 2017, 5:56 PM

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aha

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now the sentry just

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doesn't spawn

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and the box isn't taken away either

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let me fuck around with the x offset for a while

tender sorrel Nov 25, 2017, 5:57 PM

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well it fails to place it

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also its good idea to give a tiny bit of Z

haughty flower Nov 25, 2017, 5:57 PM

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yes

tender sorrel Nov 25, 2017, 5:57 PM

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also if the sentry shares player species and has thruspecies

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that could potentially fix it

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it gets really tricky sometimes with spawnitemex when the spawn isnt forced

haughty flower Nov 25, 2017, 5:59 PM

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i see the problem

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when i walk straight into the wall and spawn the item, it spawns

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when i walk in front of the wall, not exactly against it, and try, it doesn't spawn

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so the offsets are screwed yeah

tender sorrel Nov 25, 2017, 6:00 PM

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yeah

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they are tricky bastards

haughty flower Nov 25, 2017, 6:00 PM

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so let me try fixing it

tender sorrel Nov 25, 2017, 6:02 PM

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i wish there was a way to check if the thingh rom spawnitem gets spawned within a proper sector so the spawn inside the void wouldnt be an issue

haughty flower Nov 25, 2017, 6:02 PM

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FIXED

tender sorrel Nov 25, 2017, 6:10 PM

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\o/

rancid wedge Nov 25, 2017, 7:48 PM

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hey im making a christmas wad and i need ideas of what to do the chainsaw, (ive just been reskinning the normal weapons, i would make the blade a candycane but I already have 2-3 weapons as candy canes so i want to make it more creative

lavish hollow Nov 25, 2017, 7:51 PM

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Damn

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Cane-saw would've been a great name for it

rancid wedge Nov 25, 2017, 7:52 PM

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fuck now i reallly want to do it

lavish hollow Nov 25, 2017, 7:52 PM

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I know right, that's such a perfect name lmao

rancid wedge Nov 25, 2017, 7:53 PM

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alright im doing it 4 candy cane weapons now

lavish hollow Nov 25, 2017, 7:53 PM

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I'd say replace a couple of the candy cane ones with something else

rancid wedge Nov 25, 2017, 7:54 PM

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📎 SHTGA0.png

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📎 CHGGA0.png

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i was thinkinf of making the ssg a green candy cane

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right now its this

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📎 SHT2A1.png

lavish hollow Nov 25, 2017, 7:55 PM

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How about an SSG that's wrapped in Christmas wrapping paper

rancid wedge Nov 25, 2017, 7:56 PM

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i might just make it like a christmas present

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like it would be a box

bold heron Nov 25, 2017, 7:57 PM

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oh hey do you have a rocket launcher replacement yet

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because it would be awesome if it was like

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an open christmas present box that shoots out like toys and stuff

rancid wedge Nov 25, 2017, 7:59 PM

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i was thinking about it being a hand holding a snowball

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and you throw snow

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(rockets)

bold heron Nov 25, 2017, 7:59 PM

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why not make the plasma gun that

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rapid fire snowballs

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:0

rancid wedge Nov 25, 2017, 8:00 PM

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yea that would be cool

light prism Nov 25, 2017, 8:31 PM

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then you can replace the gib animations of monsters with getting covered in snow

golden drum Nov 26, 2017, 1:04 AM

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ayy

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Can somebody tell me why this doesn't make a window that shows the sky?

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📎 Screenshot_Doom_20171125_210416.png

light prism Nov 26, 2017, 1:10 AM

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udmf?

golden drum Nov 26, 2017, 1:10 AM

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ye

light prism Nov 26, 2017, 1:10 AM

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make a pocket sector that has f_sky1 floor/ceiling, then give the viewable lines action #9 - line horizon

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that shoulllld work

golden drum Nov 26, 2017, 1:11 AM

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what's a pocket sector

light prism Nov 26, 2017, 1:12 AM

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like you have your window and some space behind it

golden drum Nov 26, 2017, 1:12 AM

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kk

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That worked, thx bruh

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What a cool effect though

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Would be good for an island or something

true galleon Nov 26, 2017, 4:11 AM

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Is there a mac os x port of imagetool anywhere?

true galleon Nov 26, 2017, 6:50 AM

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im trying out f.lux right now

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blue is now green

golden drum Nov 26, 2017, 7:29 AM

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It makes your colors aids, but improves your sleep apparently so hey

golden drum Nov 26, 2017, 8:05 AM

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does zandronum not support portals?

light prism Nov 26, 2017, 8:15 AM

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it has all portals except interactive

golden drum Nov 26, 2017, 8:16 AM

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Well that explains why it was bugged

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thx m9

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oh btw

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Is everybody still on board with the map-mod-dev megawad project?

light prism Nov 26, 2017, 8:19 AM

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sure

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i started something

golden drum Nov 26, 2017, 8:19 AM

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sick

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same

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That's actually what I'm working on now

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📎 Screenshot_Doom_20171126_042439.png

haughty flower Nov 26, 2017, 5:47 PM

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holy shit that is some good line_setportal use

true galleon Nov 27, 2017, 1:46 AM

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WE ALL LIVE IN A YELLOW SUBMARINE

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light prism Nov 27, 2017, 2:16 AM

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all the identifying features of an american movie poster

true galleon Nov 27, 2017, 2:18 AM

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here is the interpic for the wad im making

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light prism Nov 27, 2017, 2:21 AM

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was there a man named terrance involved

true galleon Nov 27, 2017, 2:23 AM

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no

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 2:23 AM

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WHY NOT

true galleon Nov 27, 2017, 2:23 AM

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this aint no terry wad

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 2:31 AM

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then why is the interpic so fucking horrible

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 2:31 AM

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📎 LaserPistol.gif

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 2:31 AM

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'good gun, good good gun'

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 2:31 AM

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It's a laser where you pull the knob to recharge it

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 2:31 AM

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you've got the goods but imo the tweening is a bit stiff

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heheh pull the knob

true galleon Nov 27, 2017, 2:33 AM

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the interpic is horrible for no reason at all

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 2:37 AM

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📎 LaserPistol.gif

true galleon Nov 27, 2017, 2:38 AM

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that's a cool gun animation

lavish hollow Nov 27, 2017, 2:38 AM

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Cool but what's that weird oblong net thing at the end of the barrel

turbid depot Nov 27, 2017, 2:40 AM

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I think the thumb placement is odd, but it might just be me.

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 2:40 AM

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idk it's supposed to be some sci-fi pistol @lavish hollow

true galleon Nov 27, 2017, 2:41 AM

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this is the titlepic

📎 TheBeatles-YellowSubmarinealbumcover.png

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 2:42 AM

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7.8/10

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Not enough water.

lavish hollow Nov 27, 2017, 2:42 AM

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@royal wave maybe add those weird loopy things that retro laser guns had

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royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 2:42 AM

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Nah I don't want it to be too cliche

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considered it though

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 2:42 AM

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I never understood what those discs did.

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 2:43 AM

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They just look futuristic

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 2:43 AM

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GWcfcThonk

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 2:43 AM

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they're probably inspired by powerline buffers

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I debated making the reload animation out of pulling a thing on the back of the gun

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But all that did is remind me of the Righteous Bison from TF2

prisma saddle Nov 27, 2017, 2:45 AM

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Lookin good.

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 2:50 AM

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i would imagine the most futuristic of guns would have no need to reload

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 2:51 AM

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@royal wave Could have kept the slider on the side

prisma saddle Nov 27, 2017, 2:51 AM

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Unless it's like recharging a battery or somethin.

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 2:51 AM

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^

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it's a battery mechanic

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There's going to be three phases with each gun

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First phase is you have to buy ammo for your gun

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Second phase eliminates the need to buy ammo

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As in ammo is an infinite free source, but it only comes from one source

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Third phase is finding the laser varient, which eliminates the need to constantly back track

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 2:53 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/CtWI74K.gif

Imgur

MRW I finally upgrade to a six crank laser musket in Fallout 4

▶ Play video

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 2:53 AM

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heh

lavish hollow Nov 27, 2017, 2:55 AM

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That gun progression seems a little odd to me

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gun
gun with infinite ammo
laser

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 2:59 AM

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Makes sense to me

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pistol may have an infinite source, but you have to constantly back track to the same location to refill ammo

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The laser will eliminate the need to back track

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reload faster

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and offer a method of higher damage output

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 3:00 AM

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except against laser resistant titanium clams from venus

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 3:00 AM

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of course

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can't make it too easy for the player

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 3:05 AM

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Back tracking gets boring, though.

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 3:09 AM

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that's why there's a reward of a pistol that has an infinite ammo pool

lavish hollow Nov 27, 2017, 3:17 AM

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Seems like too big an upgrade for the second pistol that you get, tho

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 3:18 AM

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Seems like basically the same pistol but a heap of ammo in the center of a map to me

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 3:18 AM

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pretty much

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but having to constantly return to that area would get obnoxious

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which when you get the laser, you no longer have to do that

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 3:21 AM

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You could go Mass Effect 1 style

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 3:33 AM

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what's that

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 3:34 AM

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i played ME1 and I still dont even know

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 4:04 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZzpuDyxja0

YouTube

[senpai] Kevans

Laser test 1

▶ Play video

prisma saddle Nov 27, 2017, 4:05 AM

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~~Lazers shouldent have recoil~~

lavish hollow Nov 27, 2017, 4:05 AM

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Why do all the guns shoot just under the crosshair?

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And yeah, what hatsu said

prisma saddle Nov 27, 2017, 4:06 AM

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*laser

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 4:06 AM

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The shooting under crosshair doesn't seem to be something I can control

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the player is set at a custom height, but the engine doesn't seem to add that to the firing

lavish hollow Nov 27, 2017, 4:07 AM

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For a second I thought it was bullet drop, then I realized a laser wouldn't have drop lol

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 4:07 AM

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Also the small recoil just makes it look a teensy bit more lively

prisma saddle Nov 27, 2017, 4:07 AM

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I guess.

lavish hollow Nov 27, 2017, 4:07 AM

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It's hitscan, right?

prisma saddle Nov 27, 2017, 4:07 AM

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IDK, maybe I just get a bit pedantic about momentum and energy and such.

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Maybe just say it's Plasma instead,

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Because Plasma has mass.

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 4:08 AM

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Yeah it'll be hitscan

lavish hollow Nov 27, 2017, 4:08 AM

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A possible fix I can think of for the height is switch it to a FastProjectile (a really really REALLY fast one) and see if you can have it fire from a bit higher

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 4:08 AM

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it'll be given a tracer round anyways

lavish hollow Nov 27, 2017, 4:12 AM

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@prisma saddle maybe it's a laser but there's moving parts inside the gun, idk

prisma saddle Nov 27, 2017, 4:12 AM

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Hmmmmm.

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Yeah, that makes sense.

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 4:50 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx4O3m6KXtY

YouTube

[senpai] Kevans

Laser test 2

▶ Play video

lavish hollow Nov 27, 2017, 4:55 AM

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Are you cleaning the gun?

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 4:56 AM

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it's supposed to be pulling a knob to charge it, I haven't added the appropriate sound

lavish hollow Nov 27, 2017, 4:58 AM

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Ah ok, I was having flashbacks of Extreme Weapons Pack

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 4:58 AM

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What's this pistol for, anyway

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a weapon mod?

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an iwad?

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 4:59 AM

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yeah that whole 'lasers dont have recoil' thing

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without recoil they just arent as satisfying

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it doesnt feel as much like a weapon, more like a laser pointer

lavish hollow Nov 27, 2017, 5:00 AM

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I think kevan would go with an ipk3, I've heard him and gut talk very highly of them

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:00 AM

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heh though

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that charging animation, now that i see it in game

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is very smooth but also quite suggestive

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:01 AM

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More like standalone game I would like to put on steam for like 10 - 15 dollars

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:01 AM

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thats uhh

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quite a high pricetag

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for an indie game

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:01 AM

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Plot twist. The gun is sentient and the rubbing of the gun is actually the player encouraging it to shoot more

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like a little pet

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:02 AM

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@golden drum - yeahhhh. 'encouraging'

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:02 AM

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( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

lavish hollow Nov 27, 2017, 5:02 AM

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@light prism especially an indie game on the gzdoom engine, I'd expect 5 at most

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Must be pretty great

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:02 AM

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I'm sorry, I didn't realize indie developers weren't allowed to make a living off their games

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:02 AM

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of course you are

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just perhaps $5 less at a time

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:02 AM

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o shit

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:03 AM

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$15 is actually really damn generous

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you expect this game to be like an hour long?

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:03 AM

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I smell a flame war brewing

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:03 AM

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how much did shower with your dad simulator go for

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that game made something like $300k

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:03 AM

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This isn't shower with your dad simulator

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:03 AM

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im not inferring that it is

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:03 AM

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Yes you are

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:04 AM

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just sayin, that game had pixel graphics, a very limited resource pool, and made $300k

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:04 AM

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and?

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:04 AM

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He's saying that a basic game with a small price tag still made alot of money

lavish hollow Nov 27, 2017, 5:04 AM

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I Am Bread is an indie for $15 (last I checked) and that game was like 2-3 hours long at most

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:04 AM

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Let's not play victim here

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:04 AM

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and $15 is a small price tag

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Hell, 20 is a reasonable price for an indie title

lavish hollow Nov 27, 2017, 5:05 AM

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Well, no, it depends on the game

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:05 AM

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And the sort of game I'm making aims to justify that price

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why is that not easy to grasp?

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:05 AM

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have you released a title before?

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 5:05 AM

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@royal wave Is that SCP 173?

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:05 AM

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yes

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:06 AM

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which question is that answering

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:06 AM

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Superhot is indie and they charge 25

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@haughty flower Yes it's 173

lavish hollow Nov 27, 2017, 5:06 AM

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It's hard to grasp for me because from the videos you've sent it looks like you barely have 3 weapons

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 5:06 AM

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Superhot is overpriced.

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:06 AM

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games are allowed to be overpriced and get away with it

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sometimes

lavish hollow Nov 27, 2017, 5:07 AM

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Superhot definitely shouldn't be 25 lol

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:07 AM

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damnit i have smooth jazz on a loop in my head

lavish hollow Nov 27, 2017, 5:07 AM

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Damn right

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Smooth jazz is the shit

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:07 AM

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@royal wave You need to reconsider whether or not people would be willing to spend $15 on doom engine IWAD

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You'd prolly lose money due to people not purchasing it

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:08 AM

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i dont think thats really much of an issue

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people have done it before

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:08 AM

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lolwut

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why

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:08 AM

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so you're sayign i can't make a game worth even 15 dollars

lavish hollow Nov 27, 2017, 5:08 AM

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Well people already buy things like the doom collection on steam

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:08 AM

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that's mighty encouraging of you

lavish hollow Nov 27, 2017, 5:08 AM

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@royal wave I think he's saying you can, but not with the doom engine

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:08 AM

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kev, I just think its a bit of a high price tag for a first sale

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:08 AM

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Total Chaos

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:08 AM

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That's not the same. That's multiple titles, bru

prisma saddle Nov 27, 2017, 5:09 AM

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The price depends on the indie game.

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:09 AM

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total chaos had a small team of developers

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me included

lavish hollow Nov 27, 2017, 5:09 AM

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Total Chaos isn't exactly worth anything right now

prisma saddle Nov 27, 2017, 5:09 AM

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If it entertains me, I'll pay for it.

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:09 AM

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and also isnt being sold, yeah

lavish hollow Nov 27, 2017, 5:09 AM

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Doesn't it have less than 3 levels?

prisma saddle Nov 27, 2017, 5:09 AM

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~~I wish I was on the Total Chaos team~~

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:09 AM

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no

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:09 AM

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All i'm hearing is that I can't sell a game for 15 because I won't be able to make a game worth 15

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:09 AM

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look

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do what you want

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i just think for a first time game

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probably aim a little lower

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 5:10 AM

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If you have a working SCP 173 in it, I'm buying it

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lol

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:10 AM

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its not anything against your skills, and if you take it that way, its all you buddy

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:10 AM

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then what is it?

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:10 AM

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if he has a working SCP 173 in it, he'll need to get copyright heh

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 5:10 AM

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SCP isn't copyrighted

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:10 AM

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scp 173 is

prisma saddle Nov 27, 2017, 5:10 AM

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I thought SCP stories were public domain/

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:10 AM

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its an art piece

lavish hollow Nov 27, 2017, 5:10 AM

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He's saying since it's your first game, set your expectations a little low

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:11 AM

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this is low expectations

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I'm not settling for a one off experience

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this is going to be a game

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:11 AM

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Look dude, crying and playing victim because people don't have 100% faith in your game being grade-A isn't going to help you sell it

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A game being 5 bucks doesn't mean it's bad

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 5:11 AM

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Why don't you have faith in him?

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I think it's good so far.

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:12 AM

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a game being $5 might actually end up getting more sales than if it was $15

prisma saddle Nov 27, 2017, 5:12 AM

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Oh wait, no, SCP is Creative commons.

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:12 AM

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But you have to consider the amount of content you're really getting

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:12 AM

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Cuphead is 20 on steam

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:12 AM

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It's like the difference between buying the can of soda vs the bottle

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same quality

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:12 AM

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cuphead is a professionally made game by a team with silky smooth disney-esque animation

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:12 AM

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doesn't = same price

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:12 AM

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still indie

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:13 AM

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professional > team

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:13 AM

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Still indie

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:13 AM

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masturb joe, still indie

prisma saddle Nov 27, 2017, 5:13 AM

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Can we just stop using the word indie,

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Let's just call them, games.

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Boom problem solved.

tame merlin Nov 27, 2017, 5:13 AM

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@prisma saddle Thank you

lavish hollow Nov 27, 2017, 5:13 AM

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I'm sorry but kevan, you cannot make a game that is worth 5 dollars less than Cuphead, no offense to you but it's a bit more complicated than just "it's indie"

prisma saddle Nov 27, 2017, 5:14 AM

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I genuinley hate the terms AAA AA and indie.

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:14 AM

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Why do you think i can't do it?

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 5:14 AM

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To be honest

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Why're you even discussing with these people? @royal wave

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kek

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:14 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:14 AM

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how many people are working on this

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 5:14 AM

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Two.

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:14 AM

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Nah just me

lavish hollow Nov 27, 2017, 5:14 AM

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Because you're one guy and Cuphead had a professional team, also didn't it have funding from Microsoft or something?

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 5:14 AM

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Kevans and sevans

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:14 AM

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ha

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Undertale was one guy for 95 percent of the game

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:15 AM

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I don't think he can't make a game, just not something on par with cuphead

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:15 AM

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Rollercoaster Tycoon was one guy 95 percent of the way

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:15 AM

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not on his first attempt at least

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:15 AM

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Undertale is trash

tame merlin Nov 27, 2017, 5:15 AM

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😂

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:15 AM

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You should be paid to PLAY it

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:15 AM

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RCT was even done in assembly

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:15 AM

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aids

lavish hollow Nov 27, 2017, 5:15 AM

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I agree with cat, kev can make a game, probably a great one, just not cuphead tier

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:16 AM

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I bet I could make a great game too

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:16 AM

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Do it then

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:16 AM

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but I wouldnt aim for $15 on my first production

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:16 AM

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That's up to you then

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:16 AM

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even if it WAS cuphead level

lavish hollow Nov 27, 2017, 5:16 AM

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Hell, my first production would probably be free

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:16 AM

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if you don't feel your efforts are worth 15 a pop, then you do you

lavish hollow Nov 27, 2017, 5:16 AM

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It's not what you feel, it's what's necessary

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 5:16 AM

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Atleast he's not setting it at 60

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:P

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:17 AM

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you shouldn't expect people to assume your game will be even remotely good, you need to show it to people

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anybody can say "I'm gonna make a game"

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Doesn't mean it'll be good

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:17 AM

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I'm still hearing "You can't sell it like that because it just won't be that good"

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What do i have to do to make it worth 15?

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:18 AM

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You can't sell it like that because we have no frame of reference

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also sell a $5 game 3 times

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basic math, m8

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oops nvm

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:18 AM

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Wow smart guy here

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:18 AM

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I read "make 15"

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:18 AM

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So again

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What would I have to do to justify my first game being worth 15?

prisma saddle Nov 27, 2017, 5:19 AM

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Entertain me with it.

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That's sorta my bar of quality.

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:19 AM

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because apparently I'm not allowed to have that as my goal

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:19 AM

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Nothing. Make a second game worth 15

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You can have that as a goal, but you prolly won't have much luck with it

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:19 AM

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"You can't sell it like that because it just won't be that good"

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 5:20 AM

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I think Kevans has enough experience to make a game worth 15.

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:20 AM

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iirc Stanley Parable was also like 20

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 5:20 AM

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Kevans, you do mods, right?

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:20 AM

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your opinion doesn't mean much without evidence @haughty flower

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 5:20 AM

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Neither does yours.

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:20 AM

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I understand how to construct a mod

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and I do like to believe I have a firm grasp on how to make a game

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:21 AM

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i would stop bringing up games made by teams over a span of 6 years as examples

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probably

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:21 AM

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Atleast I'm giving arguments

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:21 AM

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and from the experience I gained from when this started as a mod, I'm on the right path

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:21 AM

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also I would stop giving a shit what anyone else thought

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:21 AM

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you're just saying "I think this"

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:21 AM

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about my production methods and intended pricetag

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:21 AM

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Then why are you so upset over mine

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:21 AM

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I'm not, you are

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 5:21 AM

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Your argument is just a glorified opinion, lol

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I'm going via logic.

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I know he won't release crap

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:22 AM

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I'm not upset at all, I just got home and I'm going to smoke a phat bowl and play flute

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:22 AM

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░▒▓ TheMisterCat ▓▒░ - Today at 10:08 PM kev, I just think its a bit of a high price tag for a first sale

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:22 AM

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okay, and that is my opinion, take it or leave it

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or is my opinion worth so much that you can't let this die?

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do whatever you want

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 5:22 AM

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you guys are doing a great job at saying it's just your opinion :)

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:22 AM

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@haughty flower Bruh you've said next to nothing of substance, what are you talking about

lavish hollow Nov 27, 2017, 5:22 AM

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iirc Stanley Parable was also like 20 Stanley parable also started as a really popular mod iirc, so it kind of had a guaranteed degree of sale

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 5:23 AM

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And now you're trying to make me look like I've got no integrity in my sentences.

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:23 AM

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You're misinterpreting me

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you aren't giving reasons for your opinions

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not even basic ones

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 5:23 AM

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I did give them. Not my fault if you ignore them.

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:24 AM

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kevansevans, take my advice or leave it, but you might be well off getting at least one other person on board

tame merlin Nov 27, 2017, 5:24 AM

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Why are we still fighting each other. We obviously have different viewpoints and we cant satisfy everyone.

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:24 AM

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@haughty flower o I just read all of your messages

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No reasoning

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look for yourself

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:25 AM

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I can satisfy everyone +wink+

tame merlin Nov 27, 2017, 5:25 AM

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😩

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 5:25 AM

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Stop tagging me in almost every sentence.

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:25 AM

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Sure

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brb

lavish hollow Nov 27, 2017, 5:26 AM

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Throughout this entire 20+ minute argument, he's pinged you like 3 times, calm down m8

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 5:27 AM

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I've been talking with him for the past five.

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:29 AM

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Tell you what, I won't tag you unless my message could be seen as directed towards somebody else

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:30 AM

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Dr Bugbait - or you could just do this

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:31 AM

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Indeed

hard elmBOT Nov 27, 2017, 5:31 AM

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Indeed!

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:31 AM

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ayy

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themistercat let's sell the map-mod-dev megawad for $80

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:34 AM

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i wonder how many wads it would actually take to justify $80 nowadays

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does anyone have any of those wad collection CD's?

lavish hollow Nov 27, 2017, 5:35 AM

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Pretty sure you'd need multiple megawads to justify that price tag

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:35 AM

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well

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How much would it be reasonable to sell one megawad for

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$1

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2?

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:36 AM

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just maps?

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:36 AM

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ye, mayyyyybe some custom music and textures

lavish hollow Nov 27, 2017, 5:36 AM

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Depends on the overall quality

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:36 AM

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a map megawad in the 90's style with no additional resources would go for under a dollar imo

lavish hollow Nov 27, 2017, 5:36 AM

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I'd say 5 would be the highest amount

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Like, absolute highest

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:36 AM

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but that's by todays standard

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i would expect shit ones to be free regardless of timespan

lavish hollow Nov 27, 2017, 5:37 AM

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I'd say the best a 90s style one would go for 2-3 dollars

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:37 AM

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i guess maybe

lavish hollow Nov 27, 2017, 5:37 AM

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The best

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:37 AM

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hell revealed 2 then

lavish hollow Nov 27, 2017, 5:38 AM

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Final Doom was paid for, after all

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:38 AM

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isn't final doom 5 dollars on steam

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:38 AM

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ah yes but that contains the base executable and other data

lavish hollow Nov 27, 2017, 5:38 AM

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It used to be cheaper iirc, and that's technically 2

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:38 AM

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well

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ye

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:38 AM

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along with a license that says that you have the ownership of the game

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:39 AM

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and the maps are good

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half of them anyway

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fuck plutonia

lavish hollow Nov 27, 2017, 5:39 AM

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I'm going to bed now

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:39 AM

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do it

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g'night

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:41 AM

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i havent had a chance to do any modding for a few days

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:41 AM

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same

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:41 AM

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been working almost 2 months straight now

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:41 AM

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I suck at working under pressure

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:41 AM

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no spare days at all

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christmas break coming up soon though i guess

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:41 AM

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uni?

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/college

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idk how that all works in the us

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:42 AM

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no, just two jobs

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also im in new zealand

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:42 AM

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ah

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that sucks

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the jobs

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not nz

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 5:43 AM

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everywhere sucks

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too many humans

prisma saddle Nov 27, 2017, 5:43 AM

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Not enough ice cream.

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:43 AM

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That

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that is just

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accurate.

true galleon Nov 27, 2017, 6:24 AM

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map lyaout

📎 Screen_Shot_2017-11-26_at_11.23.47_PM.png

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 6:28 AM

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its a baby snake spitting out his pacifier

true galleon Nov 27, 2017, 6:33 AM

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it's a secret level based on chemical plant zone from sonic 2

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 6:35 AM

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ohhh of courrseeee

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i recognize it now

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📎 unknown.png

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this is my remake of green hill zone

true galleon Nov 27, 2017, 6:36 AM

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You're green with it!

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 6:36 AM

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YOU'RE green with it!

true galleon Nov 27, 2017, 6:37 AM

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here's the first levels layout

📎 Screen_Shot_2017-11-26_at_11.37.10_PM.png

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im making a wad

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 6:38 AM

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It's somebody's digestive tract redesigned as a pinball machine

true galleon Nov 27, 2017, 6:39 AM

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yeah it's pinball themed

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it's music is an mp3 of casino night zone ffrom sonic 2

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 6:41 AM

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📎 SONACH.gif

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you can use my OC if you want

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his name is sonach the spudgecog

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his backstory is that he has facial paralysis due to the wind changing so he always has that dumb blank smirk

prisma saddle Nov 27, 2017, 6:47 AM

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Why does he run like that?

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I want to know more about this lil guys backstory.

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 6:53 AM

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@true galleon Nice terrywad

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All joking aside, why's everything purple?

true galleon Nov 27, 2017, 6:54 AM

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🤷🏼

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i dunno

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 6:54 AM

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well I'm gonna go sleep

true galleon Nov 27, 2017, 6:54 AM

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k

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 6:58 AM

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its not a terry wad, its a jerry map

true galleon Nov 27, 2017, 6:59 AM

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no, it's a harold graph

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 7:09 AM

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Good news everyone, I solved the issue where bullets were firing too low!

prisma saddle Nov 27, 2017, 7:09 AM

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Horray.

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Proud of you @royal wave

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 7:10 AM

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:D

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 7:14 AM

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What was the problem?

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 7:15 AM

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When adjusting the player classes height, you also need to set Player.AttackZOffset

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 7:18 AM

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oh? doesnt that scale automatically with the players set height?

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i guess if your viewheight is set differently maybe

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 7:18 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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it fixed it though

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 7:21 AM

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wiki says it is 'half the players height'

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which is a bit vague i guess

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given that it scales with crouching though

royal wave Nov 27, 2017, 7:30 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smXUTMyULYw

YouTube

[senpai] Kevans

Pistol laser balance test 1

▶ Play video

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laser is meant to deal more damage the higher it's charged, but at the same time it consumes more ammo

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 12:59 PM

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how do i make it so, if you press a keybind, it opens a menu? and what code do i have to use for the menu? sbarinfo? zscript? decorate?

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also @tender sorrel i just made it so people just shouldn't be dumb and place a turret in the wall, because if the offset is set so it can't spawn into a wall, it can't spawn if the player is moving in any way

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so that's stupid

tender sorrel Nov 27, 2017, 1:00 PM

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the offsets can be really stupid yeah

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 1:00 PM

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it's like if the player moves you have to spam enter for it to work

tender sorrel Nov 27, 2017, 1:01 PM

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makes me wish there was a check for the void space

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 1:01 PM

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i don't want it to be broken like that

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anyway back to main thing
how do make menu's

tender sorrel Nov 27, 2017, 1:01 PM

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also did you try the thruspecies and giving the turret same specie as player tho

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 1:01 PM

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nope

tender sorrel Nov 27, 2017, 1:01 PM

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that might help with the offsets of spawning

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 1:01 PM

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the turret needs to have collisions with the player tho ;-;

tender sorrel Nov 27, 2017, 1:01 PM

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Oh

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WELL

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You can turn the flag off

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 1:02 PM

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what flag

tender sorrel Nov 27, 2017, 1:02 PM

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+thruspecies

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 1:02 PM

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oh

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but why would i add it in the first place

tender sorrel Nov 27, 2017, 1:02 PM

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put it in the scripted state after spawn

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 1:02 PM

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it already has collisions right now

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that's not the problem

tender sorrel Nov 27, 2017, 1:02 PM

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well it might help with spawning

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 1:02 PM

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the problem was offsets but w/e
oh eh

tender sorrel Nov 27, 2017, 1:02 PM

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cause then the player isnt counted as obstacle for spawning

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 1:02 PM

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oh

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isn't thruspecies a flag so i just put it before states

tender sorrel Nov 27, 2017, 1:03 PM

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atleast the player shouldnt be counted as obstacle in the case

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 1:03 PM

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along with all these

📎 unknown.png

tender sorrel Nov 27, 2017, 1:03 PM

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yes

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then in the scripted state

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use the A_changeflag command

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 1:03 PM

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and species work like this right

📎 unknown.png

tender sorrel Nov 27, 2017, 1:03 PM

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to turn it off

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yeah

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 1:03 PM

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ok

tender sorrel Nov 27, 2017, 1:03 PM

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if it has same specie as playerpawn

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they shouldnt collide

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 1:04 PM

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ah

tender sorrel Nov 27, 2017, 1:04 PM

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atleast in theory

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so it should be able to spawn on top of the player

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unless spawnitem is even more pickier

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 1:04 PM

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so this'll work

📎 unknown.png

tender sorrel Nov 27, 2017, 1:04 PM

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yeh

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 1:04 PM

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ok noice

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now back to fucking with offsets

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woo wee

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i got it right instantly, woo! :D

tender sorrel Nov 27, 2017, 1:05 PM

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Ah, so it worked?

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 1:05 PM

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thanks for that tip lol

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it works perfectly now

tender sorrel Nov 27, 2017, 1:06 PM

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Good

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 1:06 PM

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even when the player moves

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oh wait

tender sorrel Nov 27, 2017, 1:06 PM

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I was bit unsure on it to be honest cause spawnitem is very finnicky

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 1:06 PM

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you can't put turrets ontop of turrets now xd

tender sorrel Nov 27, 2017, 1:06 PM

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oh

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is that a thing

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 1:06 PM

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you can place them inside eachother too

📎 unknown.png

tender sorrel Nov 27, 2017, 1:06 PM

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well shit

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 1:06 PM

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wellllll then

tender sorrel Nov 27, 2017, 1:06 PM

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thats unexpected

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solve one issue create another

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 1:07 PM

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is there a way to make thruspecies actor specific?

tender sorrel Nov 27, 2017, 1:07 PM

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uhhh not sure

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But

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I think you can change the specie

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I think

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A_SetSpecies

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add that after the flag and give it some other specie like "turretturret"

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the flag change that is

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 1:09 PM

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?

📎 unknown.png

tender sorrel Nov 27, 2017, 1:09 PM

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yeh

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I think the pointer can be left empty

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 1:10 PM

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yep it's fixed

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because the moment the turret spawns, it changes species making the turret that has yet to spawn not clip through the already spawned turret

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woo

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xd

tender sorrel Nov 27, 2017, 1:10 PM

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\o/

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 1:11 PM

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thanks! :D

tender sorrel Nov 27, 2017, 1:11 PM

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no problem

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 1:11 PM

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now for the other thing on my todo list and i dunno if you can help with that

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a menu

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like, a menu you open with a keybind

tender sorrel Nov 27, 2017, 1:11 PM

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if its an ingame menu like that then I really dont cause I have been trying to get help with that myself

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 1:11 PM

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i know how to add the keybind sure, but i don't know in what programming i should use for it

tender sorrel Nov 27, 2017, 1:12 PM

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the keybind isnt that hard really

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 1:12 PM

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do i do it with sbarinfo or like zscript or ACS

tender sorrel Nov 27, 2017, 1:12 PM

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just getting the menu that it is

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I wish I knew, appereantly you can do it with sbarinfo or acs but I have no idea how to even get started :C

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 1:13 PM

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aha

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sbarinfo can do it

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{
// i think you can put CreatePopup here or you can draw a lot of stuff on the screen
}```

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and then you make the keybind increase the Keybind value to 1

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and if you press it again it goes back to 0

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@tender sorrel

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easy fix

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i think

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you do the keybind through ACS, done

tender sorrel Nov 27, 2017, 1:15 PM

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I'm planning to make my menu stuff with ACS cause I need some advanced features and my Sbar is pretty packed already

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tho I need to find a certain wizard to help me with it first

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 1:17 PM

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i'm not sure how PySpy makes their menu's but they seem to be good at it

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 3:14 PM

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why does this not work?

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📎 unknown.png

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line 138 is the if statement

past cradle Nov 27, 2017, 3:25 PM

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if I'm reading it correctly

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change it to CheckWeaponSelected("Pistol2")

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and uh

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remove the == w11

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because CheckWeaponSelected() basically already does that

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            {
                DrawString(mSmolFont, helm_weaponvalues[0][WEP_PLASMA], (damOffset, 14), DI_TEXT_ALIGN_LEFT|DI_NOSHADOW);
                DrawString(mSmolFont, helm_weaponvalues[1][WEP_PLASMA], (ratOffset, 14), DI_TEXT_ALIGN_LEFT|DI_NOSHADOW);
            }```

haughty flower Nov 27, 2017, 3:31 PM

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oh

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it was that simple
okay i guess

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/341128694921953291/384728936829026305/2017-11-27_16-34-55.gif woo!

past cradle Nov 27, 2017, 3:46 PM

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delicious 👀

golden drum Nov 27, 2017, 5:53 PM

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Is anyone making a tower map for the megawad?

light prism Nov 27, 2017, 9:46 PM

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📎 Screenshot_Doom_20171128_104524.png

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📎 Screenshot_Doom_20171128_104551.png

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heres some wip screenies of mine so far

true galleon Nov 27, 2017, 9:59 PM

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what megawad

warped rampart Nov 28, 2017, 2:15 AM

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Thinking of doing a soft-launch of my Doom Paint mod to see how people like it

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Like, leave out the spray paint class and only leave in the paintbrush

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Then keep developing it based on people's responses

golden drum Nov 28, 2017, 2:16 AM

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@light prism top pic looks like map01 material to me. Nice memorable start

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then again, it'll probably be a big map

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I think a map01 would ned to be designed with the sole porpuse of being map01

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but idk

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nice screens, regardless

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@warped rampart what's your doom paint mod?

warped rampart Nov 28, 2017, 2:29 AM

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It's literally just a paintbrush mod lol

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You get to paint in Doom

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afaik nobody else has thought of it

golden drum Nov 28, 2017, 2:30 AM

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sooooo

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like painting on walls?

warped rampart Nov 28, 2017, 2:30 AM

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3D, actually

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The spray paint in future releases will be on walls, floors, and ceilings

golden drum Nov 28, 2017, 2:31 AM

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huh

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when are you doing your soft-launch?

warped rampart Nov 28, 2017, 2:31 AM

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Tomorrow

golden drum Nov 28, 2017, 2:31 AM

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sick

warped rampart Nov 28, 2017, 2:32 AM

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I just need to copypaste the code and resize the paintbrush sprite

light prism Nov 28, 2017, 3:04 AM

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the soul porpoise

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btw pyrolex

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📎 fu.gif

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i made this years ago, it uses quantized 'tile vectors'

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not perfected hence the gaps in some strokes

prisma saddle Nov 28, 2017, 3:06 AM

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Um, Passpartout in DOOM 2.

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That'd be fun.

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PassparDooM

light prism Nov 28, 2017, 3:07 AM

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i dont know what that is

prisma saddle Nov 28, 2017, 3:07 AM

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MSpaint but you have to sell your paintings in it,

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Seems like a fun game.

golden drum Nov 28, 2017, 3:13 AM

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@light prism so what map slot are you looking at taking?

light prism Nov 28, 2017, 3:17 AM

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idunno

golden drum Nov 28, 2017, 3:18 AM

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If we're going with the "01-10 techbase, 11-20 city, 21-30 hell" theme, then I'm gonna go ahead and claim map20

true galleon Nov 28, 2017, 5:31 AM

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look iss another doom map for the wad im mkaing

📎 Screen_Shot_2017-11-27_at_10.30.57_PM.png

misty bramble Nov 28, 2017, 3:13 PM

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What's that little pile of pink actors

covert plover Nov 28, 2017, 5:41 PM

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📎 Grobberwithgun3.png

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📎 Grobberwithgun.png

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📎 Grobberwithgun2.png

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oh boy

haughty flower Nov 28, 2017, 6:24 PM

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@unreal oyster the zscript thing you sent me months ago

📎 unknown.png

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it doesn't work or i'm an idiot
i put the version down

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it doesn't wanna change the texture tho

📎 unknown.png

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and i can't remember how i did that

haughty flower Nov 28, 2017, 10:43 PM

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Hmm, here's a silly idea. PSX Heretic TC

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Basically, the TC would be just what it would be like if Midway was also in charge of porting Heretic to the PSX, the way they did with Doom.

lavish hollow Nov 28, 2017, 11:00 PM

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Sounds pretty impractical

misty bramble Nov 28, 2017, 11:26 PM

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Trying to make a fullscreen HUD for Hexen that looks more like the base status bar. Thoughts?

📎 Screen_Shot_2017-11-28_at_6.24.43_PM.png

light prism Nov 28, 2017, 11:34 PM

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nice and compact

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alignment on the right looks a little funky, perhaps because of the bevelling

golden drum Nov 28, 2017, 11:37 PM

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Looks cool

lavish hollow Nov 28, 2017, 11:38 PM

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Nice

true galleon Nov 28, 2017, 11:38 PM

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can it be used with doom, doom II, chex quest, final doom and the adventures of square?

misty bramble Nov 28, 2017, 11:41 PM

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Beveling is weird, also the ammo is less tall than the other parts

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@true galleon At the moment it relies on assets in HEXEN.WAD

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But it is compatible with non-mana weapons

true galleon Nov 28, 2017, 11:49 PM

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o

golden drum Nov 29, 2017, 4:16 AM

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Trying to make maps with zandronum support makes me want to kill myself

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So now slopes don't work

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greeeeeaaat

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kill me

golden drum Nov 29, 2017, 4:43 AM

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So is vertex slope the only option for zandro?

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 5:05 AM

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errrr slopes work in all zdoom ports

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what method are you trying?

golden drum Nov 29, 2017, 5:20 AM

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select sector, go to slope tab

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Like

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I'm in zandronum format, so you'd think all these things would work in zandronum, but no

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I'd slope a sector, then go into zandro and it's just flat o_o

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Make line portals in zandro, those don't show up

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 5:30 AM

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there's a slope tab?!

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lol

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either use vertex slopes or the line action 181

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line portals dont work in zandro no

golden drum Nov 29, 2017, 5:30 AM

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That's cancer

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well thanks, m9

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 5:31 AM

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neither do interactive sector portals

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saying 'thats cancer' is kinda trivializing the work that very few people choose to put into trying to make a c/s net arch'd port so that people can play online

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it is catching up to gzdoom

golden drum Nov 29, 2017, 5:33 AM

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No, It's cancer that I have to fix up the slopes in my map

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 5:33 AM

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its pretty easy provided youre not trying to do something ridiculous

golden drum Nov 29, 2017, 5:33 AM

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zandronum isn't cancer

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 5:33 AM

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screenshot?

golden drum Nov 29, 2017, 5:37 AM

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oh nvm

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that was easier than expected

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I didn't know plane copy and align was a thing

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I know I come on here every day asking for help, but when I search these things up, I find nothing

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brb

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 5:38 AM

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well

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the wiki is better for finding help for scripting

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but if you want to find any sector-related functions that are also line specials, they're under ACS->Action Specials

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https://zdoom.org/wiki/Action_specials

Action specials

golden drum Nov 29, 2017, 5:40 AM

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back

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 5:40 AM

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but really if you're in udmf you should be using vertex slopes

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📎 unknown.png

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as long as you conform to a pattern like this they work fine

golden drum Nov 29, 2017, 5:42 AM

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📎 Capture.PNG

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 5:42 AM

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oh right, you wanted to copy the slope of the main slope

golden drum Nov 29, 2017, 5:43 AM

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I imagine vertex slopes would be annoying to set up with that

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I figured it out tho

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 5:43 AM

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i guess copy slope is slightly cheaper in terms of sector use

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for something like that

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considering you could join the rows

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 6:06 AM

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📎 unknown.png

prisma saddle Nov 29, 2017, 6:36 AM

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Oooooo

haughty flower Nov 29, 2017, 6:54 AM

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is anyone up for some s w e e t beta testing right now?

prisma saddle Nov 29, 2017, 6:55 AM

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Sure.

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 6:55 AM

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sure

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give it to me hard

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and fast

haughty flower Nov 29, 2017, 6:56 AM

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alright one moment

prisma saddle Nov 29, 2017, 6:57 AM

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Hit us with it.

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 6:57 AM

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i said fast damnit

haughty flower Nov 29, 2017, 6:57 AM

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https://www.mediafire.com/file/4k8qfi5x8ok8msk/Doom2TowerDefenseReloaded.wad

MediaFire

Doom2TowerDefenseReloaded.wad

MediaFire is a simple to use free service that lets you put all your photos, documents, music, and video in a single place so you can access them anywhere and share them everywhere.

prisma saddle Nov 29, 2017, 6:57 AM

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Like DooM guy hits a imp with a shotgun.

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Oh, Mediafire.

haughty flower Nov 29, 2017, 6:57 AM

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it's the best i can do right now

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if you want me to upload it elsewhere just tell me where

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 6:57 AM

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you could have just dragged it into the channel

prisma saddle Nov 29, 2017, 6:58 AM

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I just tend to get pop under ads with mediafire.

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 6:59 AM

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📎 pkunk.png

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uh

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am i supposed to be on a certain map

haughty flower Nov 29, 2017, 7:04 AM

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nope

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@light prism as of right now, no

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 7:04 AM

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ah ok

haughty flower Nov 29, 2017, 7:04 AM

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it's supposed to be, eh, compatible with map packs

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 7:04 AM

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so its just like having a turret shop on my person

haughty flower Nov 29, 2017, 7:04 AM

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?

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 7:04 AM

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like i just get cash from kills and spend it on turrets?

haughty flower Nov 29, 2017, 7:04 AM

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yep

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and experience from kills and spend that on weapon upgraderino's

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thing is, i have found no other way to make a menu

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without fucking up everything

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 7:05 AM

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i like the concept but calling it tower defense is a bit misleading

haughty flower Nov 29, 2017, 7:05 AM

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it's gonna have it's own tower defense maps tho

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 7:05 AM

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that makes more sense

haughty flower Nov 29, 2017, 7:05 AM

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it just has mappack compatibility for like, if people want to do that

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so i need to make 2 seperate versions probably

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 7:06 AM

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i know how to make gui huds but they work better if you're not actually part of the action

haughty flower Nov 29, 2017, 7:06 AM

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yeah then

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i mean, then don't be in part of the action lmao

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can you tell me how to do that? i've been trying for like 2 days now lmao

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 7:06 AM

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what i mean is, youre from a third person perspective

haughty flower Nov 29, 2017, 7:06 AM

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oh

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 7:07 AM

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like err

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an rts

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where the tower defense genre originated

haughty flower Nov 29, 2017, 7:07 AM

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i just need something like a menudef for like, buy menu's

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but

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it's not working aa

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 7:08 AM

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📎 uS0SHzD.png

haughty flower Nov 29, 2017, 7:09 AM

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how do

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i tried making a menu through zscript but i simply gave up

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 7:09 AM

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it's an Inventory[][] array containing pointers to item types, along with separate item data such as count, modifiers, etc

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a menu is easier since your buttons are basically static choices

haughty flower Nov 29, 2017, 7:10 AM

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can you give me a small example zscript menu thingy please ;-;

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 7:10 AM

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that is not zscript

haughty flower Nov 29, 2017, 7:10 AM

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oh

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 7:10 AM

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its ACS heh

haughty flower Nov 29, 2017, 7:10 AM

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wait what

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ACS can do that?

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life = easier

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thank

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 7:10 AM

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under ACS, you have to capture the mouse position, then compare it by calling a 'button' function that contains coordinates and size

haughty flower Nov 29, 2017, 7:11 AM

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uhh

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 7:11 AM

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you capture mouse via GetPlayerInput(-1, INPUT_PITCH) and INPUT_YAW

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then translate that to a mouseX and Y coordinate

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then you make a button function with coordinates and size, which checks its coords/size against the mouse position

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get?

haughty flower Nov 29, 2017, 7:12 AM

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📎 unknown.png

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 7:12 AM

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not exactly

haughty flower Nov 29, 2017, 7:13 AM

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fuck

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xd

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 7:13 AM

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the player input is just the RAW movement

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if you used that method, the mouse cursor would move when you move the mouse, but as soon as you let go it would snap back to 0

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hold on, im trying to find a good translation

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            Cursor.POS.Y -= mouseyadd / CURSOR_YSENS;
            if(Cursor.POS.X < 0) { Cursor.POS.X = 0; }
            if(Cursor.POS.Y < 0) { Cursor.POS.Y = 0; }    
            if(Cursor.POS.X > HUD_X) { Cursor.POS.X = HUD_X; }
            if(Cursor.POS.Y > HUD_Y) { Cursor.POS.Y = HUD_Y; }```

haughty flower Nov 29, 2017, 7:14 AM

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oh jesus

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 7:14 AM

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something LIKE this

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in vanilla ACS you can't use structs like that though

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mousex/yadd are the raw input values

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CURSOR_X/YSENS are integers, i think they're set to about 30-40

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the bottom 'ifs' just ensure the cursor doesn't go outsize of screen boundaries

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.POS.X/Y are the real mouse coordinates

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so uhhh

haughty flower Nov 29, 2017, 7:16 AM

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and how am i supposed to make this work now xd

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Cursor isn't a thing so i'm guessing i'm fixing that with getplayerinput

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somehow

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 7:19 AM

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hold up

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i'm writing a basic example

haughty flower Nov 29, 2017, 7:19 AM

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okie

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 7:19 AM

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also dinner

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 7:40 AM

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@haughty flower

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something like this

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might be mistakes, i wrote the whole thing in a fresh pastebin with no test

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whoops my button function lol

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https://pastebin.com/1j2gRBp6

Pastebin

#include "zcommon.acs" int mousex; int mousey; // These are your coordinates - Pastebin.com

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thar we go

true galleon Nov 29, 2017, 8:04 AM

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is there a version of imagetool for MacOS / Mac OS X??

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 10:18 AM

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https://pastebin.com/GLnwhpbk

Pastebin

#include "zcommon.acs" int mousex; int mousey; // These are your coordinates - Pastebin.com

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here, i made it slightly betteer, @haughty flower

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it has a highlight effect when hovering buttons

haughty flower Nov 29, 2017, 11:26 AM

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@light prism yeah uhh

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i made it so pressing a keybind does Puke TestMenu but uhh

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it didn't work right

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it draws the mouse, nothing else, and everything continues ingame

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so the mouse is drawn, my player still moves and looks around

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nevermind

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it's probably me being an idiot let me fix this

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nope, it's still not working correctly and i have no idea why myself

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oh i see where you made some mistakes

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woop nevermind it's working!

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 5:44 PM

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pukename TestMenu

royal wave Nov 29, 2017, 6:21 PM

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Models yay <3

📎 Screenshot_Doom_20171129_111953.png

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 6:22 PM

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lamp posts sans lamp?

royal wave Nov 29, 2017, 6:23 PM

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sans lamp?

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 6:23 PM

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or is the lamp the cube at the end

royal wave Nov 29, 2017, 6:23 PM

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Cube at the end

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📎 Screenshot_Doom_20171129_112931.png

royal wave Nov 29, 2017, 7:29 PM

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📎 Screenshot_Doom_20171129_122938.png

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 7:35 PM

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nice, you should brightmap th ebulbs

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if that still works

royal wave Nov 29, 2017, 7:42 PM

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Haven't figured out how to actually make textures for models, but that is planned!

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this is literally my first time working with blender

unreal oyster Nov 29, 2017, 7:43 PM

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https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Blender_3D:_Noob_to_Pro/UV_Map_Basics this is a good tutorial for learning how that works

UV Map Basics

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essentially the model stores a bunch of data saying where on the texture points on the model correspond to, which is called a UV map

royal wave Nov 29, 2017, 7:43 PM

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so I have to make the texture beforehand and make it fit?

unreal oyster Nov 29, 2017, 7:44 PM

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nah, blender has tools to help you with that

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but knowing how it works is fairly handy

royal wave Nov 29, 2017, 7:44 PM

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I kean I knew above what you linked

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But that doesn't really explain how I can make a texture

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just pick one and warp the vertices around

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meaning I still have to make a texture and pray it fits the way i want

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 7:45 PM

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you dont HAVE to

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you can unwrap onto a blank image and then use 'texture paint' mode

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but that is literally like mspainting a model

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the preferred method is to assign materials to faces, uv unwrap then bake those materials to a blank texture

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or you can assign existing textures to faces and then bake the full layout to an image

royal wave Nov 29, 2017, 7:47 PM

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and now the material menu disapeared

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fuck

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 7:48 PM

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there's a bunch of icons that switch between the menus on the right

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at the top of the tab

royal wave Nov 29, 2017, 7:48 PM

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📎 Screenshot_2017-11-29_12.48.33.png

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where

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 7:49 PM

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oh you did remove it

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try the 'back to previous' button at the top

royal wave Nov 29, 2017, 7:49 PM

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That put me on the timeline editor

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 7:49 PM

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ok

royal wave Nov 29, 2017, 7:49 PM

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the wiki said press shift-f10

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that put me on the UV editor

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so I had to go through the whole list to get back to the... regular editor

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 7:50 PM

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ctrl-left and right switch between layouts

royal wave Nov 29, 2017, 7:50 PM

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That worked

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 7:50 PM

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sweet

royal wave Nov 29, 2017, 7:52 PM

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I think I'll worry about this later, starting to feel fried

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 7:55 PM

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im not actually sure if brightmapping still works on models

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since the method was essentially a hack

royal wave Nov 29, 2017, 7:59 PM

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It has a method

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{
   Path "Models/MyModel"
   Model 0 "MyModel.md3"
   Path "Textures/Models/MyModel/Skin" //this redirects the path for the next file
   Skin 0 "MyModel_Skin.png" //this must be defined as a brightmap in GLDEFS

   Scale 1.0 1.0 1.0

   FrameIndex FRAM A 0 0
}```

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 8:06 PM

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yes, i wrote that on the wiki

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that is a hacky method, redirecting to textures folder

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and im not sure if it still works, it appears that it was brought to grafs attention on the forums and he was grafly displeased

royal wave Nov 29, 2017, 8:39 PM

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Why would he be displeased with that

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I'd be like "That fucking works? Well alright."

prisma saddle Nov 29, 2017, 8:40 PM

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Grafly's the GZDOOM guy right?

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I am a moron when it comes to the DooM community.

light prism Nov 29, 2017, 8:41 PM

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i know

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its weird

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i guess because it was an oversight that was not intended

royal wave Nov 29, 2017, 8:42 PM

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yeah but it doesn't break anything

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I still don't get why we can't have animated brightmaps

prisma saddle Nov 29, 2017, 8:42 PM

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I'd just, have implemented bright maps on models,

royal wave Nov 29, 2017, 8:42 PM

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you have to animate a texture, and each texture gets it's own brightmap