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#classic-doom-maps-mods
light prism
this pc was born before windows even existed
i skipped windows 2.0 and started on 3.0
frosty magnet
@light prism oh shit you beat us all for potatos XD
light prism
on a 386sx16
well i said 'my first pc
my first actual computer was an amstrad cpc 6128
golden drum
We need to get doom running on old punch-card computers
light prism
get doom running on stonehenge
golden drum
Get doom running on a literal pile of dirt
light prism
stonehenge has higher resolution than dirt
golden drum
true
so I'm guessing you're 48 or around that age?
oh wait
oops I was looking at a microprocessor
around 40?
golden drum
oh ye
derp
Well I tried
anyway everybody on the internet is 12, no exceptions /s
light prism
oh shit my voice is breaking and hair is growing in funny places
golden drum
LOL
light prism
starts noticing girls
golden drum
lol just screwing with ya
light prism
also there's probably like 1 girl on this server and they're probably older than me
golden drum
who's that?
light prism
i dunno, just an assumption
golden drum
It makes me sad when I look in looking-to-play and I never see any zandronum 32 player coop requests
oh btw doomguythe5th and I came up with the idea of making a collab megawad made by everybody in map-mod-dev
you in or no?
light prism
have you ever played 32 player coop?
it's fucking stupid
maps are designed with maybe, MAYBE 4 players in mind
golden drum
I know
light prism
so 80% of the players are going to be wandering around aimlessly with nothing to kill or pick up
light prism
sure, even then, the maps are just too tight generally
you'd have to find a decent invasion mapset or something with large open areas
golden drum
True, but you gotta admit it would be fun. Speedrunning doom2 just stomping everything in the way
all the chaos
friendly fire on of/c
light prism
with 32 players, theres a high probability that some of them would be speedrunning
golden drum
but yeah though. Probably would be fun once
or twice
so what do you think about the collab megawad
light prism
what?
golden drum
doomguythe5th and I came up with the idea of making a collab megawad made by everybody in map-mod-dev
golden drum
nice
light prism
is there a texture pack?
frosty magnet
I'd say Realm667 has some good stuff
light prism
should probably just pick one and stick to it
frosty magnet
But converting Descent 1 and 2 textures would be optimal IMO
light prism
uhhhhhh
frosty magnet
*256x256
holy god
I think
there was a link by the guy who made hunters moon that has the descent 1 and 2 resources (separate)
and the textures aren't that big XD
shit
they're down
oh wait
golden drum
oh yay....
frosty magnet
will this do?
frosty magnet
that sucks man
BTW credits to Tristan885
Also Descent 1 Resources
I also have Descent 2 textures too (that's 11 mb)
actually
that's the resource file
the textures are probably smaller than 11 so
golden drum
hey so by zandronum support, am I right in assuming that zandronum doom 2 (udmf) in gzdoom builder works for that?
golden drum
Zandronum 3.0 is the latest version, no?
alos does zandro maps work with gzdoom?
I remember a gzdoom udmf map i was working on was glitched on zandro
light prism
wtf bmp files
they should be interchangeable as long as you dont use multiple tags, interactive portals, or certain ACS or decorate functions
frosty magnet
@light prism I'm pretty sure i converted them to Doom format in the WAD file, not the zip file lmao
Also Map 05 is getting a revamp
oh its a big one
and im trying to come up with a really shit maze for the player right now
Anyone got any good ideas for a Map 06?
light prism
some sectors with monsters in them
frosty magnet
Keeping the Doom 2 crusher theme, but was debating mixing it with an acid processing level. Seems a bit generic. Like, what would seem out of place with Doom 2's crusher theme
how would a corrosive industrial processing courtyard sound for a Map 06 lmao
lofty phoenix
@haughty flower Send me when you finish, I'd love to try it
misty bramble
Coo, I love classic styled maps
weak lodge
same here
elfin ruin
Purposefully terrible map, thinking of all of the mapping crimes I can think of.. have a go and feel free to let me in on any more 'crimes' that I should add,
haughty flower
Is there bad platforming in it
(I can't play it rn)
Platforming is already a very serious crime
haughty flower
^ Tbf a wad that has that has got to be a joke wad
It's impossible that anyone would let this pass through
haughty flower
There's already one called that
It's just rare
Let me find it
Yeah it's lost
Actually I'd have to get on my PC and upload it somewhere
It's a terrywad tho kek
light prism
once i made a line with PLAT1 texture
you press use, it plays the lift sound and starts scrolling down
lavish hollow
Does ZDoom support .ogg files?
light prism
yes
wary ether
It should. I know the PSX DooM TC had the OST in .ogg format.
light prism
it might not play back VBR properly sometimes
elfin ruin
I made mapcrimes in vain of the classic jokewad, the ones released prior to Terry, and I am going to add more to it.
light prism
@elfin ruin is mapcrimes supposed to crash gzdoom if you respawn
elfin ruin
Yes
light prism
wtf
its called mapcrimes and you have lower unpegged the doortraks
and used doortraks
elfin ruin
There's a few things I need to unfix
light prism
is one of the crimes 'no exit'
light prism
how do you open the exit
prisma saddle
@light prism Masterpiece of map crimes,
So much so that you'll get the death penalty for it
elfin ruin
What's exactly wrong with it?
light prism
at one point you teleport out of the tip of a dick-shaped sector and fight a demon ovary inside a giant uterus
almost every sector is a lower-wait-raise platform
prisma saddle
I love how there's just a looping open door thingamagig.
prisma saddle
Just, a corridor full of doors.
light prism
you're supposed to run through the entire thing 3 times
prisma saddle
The Plasma rifle?
light prism
did you get the other thing?
prisma saddle
"Go bak to shit map"
light prism
oh yeah
prisma saddle
Fruzzlewumples 3 when?
light prism
tuesday
elfin ruin
Not map crime, nor shit map.
Very fun abstract map.
Now I go smash face into nailboard
light prism
i started a map for the #classic-doom-maps-mods megawad
haughty flower
My version of E1M8 is done
It's compatible with all sourceports, all of them!!!!!!
it's pretty easy, you can beat it in less than 5 minutes
light prism
light prism
i got stuck afteer i fell down and fought barons
haughty flower
how the fuck did you play it with doom 2 anyways wtf
mediafire download link because why not http://www.mediafire.com/file/59zzqy9ldvd09fm/asianse1m8.wad
light prism
by opening it and typing map e1m8
weak lodge
does anyone have good episode 1-style sky textures?
because i'm working on a classic style episode 1 replacement for the ultimate doom
haughty flower
oh
muted wing
Anyone got a good hud sprite for the cockpit? (sprites are not final, just place holders so no need to get mad cat 😋)
also, should the side guns be closer to the bottom right or bottom center?
livid hearth
@muted wing I think Weasel or Chronoteeth has a mecha mod with a hud graphic, but you will want to ask permission
also you will need to edit it, since it was built on the orig res for old versions of zdoom
golden drum
TF when I'm spending the weekend with friends and can't contribute to the map mod devs master levels
frosty magnet
^
lavish hollow
@livid hearth necro doom is the name, I think
But that's Xaser's so I might be wrong
frosty magnet
few questions
So in Doom Builder 2, the Player 1 start
I know it works fine with just singleplayer but if it gets the Multiplayer tag, does it affect the actor?
Like I know if you don't add the multiplayer tag to the Player Deathmatch Start, the actor gets ignored, but what about the Player 1 Start?
Should I have 2 player 1 starts (sounds very off, but curious)? One with and without the tag?
*also should I add a multiplayer tag to the player 2, 3, and 4 actors in my map?
light prism
player 1 should be tagged multiplayer for coop
having multiple player 1's will cause voodoo dolls
basically everything should be tagged multiplayer
frosty magnet
i see
@light prism so putting into perspective, one player 1 start with a multiplayer tag works with both singleplayer zdoom and co-op zandronum correct?
or does it ignore the actor in singleplayer because of the multiplayer tag
beacause i have my player 2, 3, and 4 start actors with multiplayer tags but my player 1 does not (and on zdoom it works fine)
covert plover
Hey, I'm quite new to modding doom and i was wondering how i could put my custom weapon that i've made (i can summon it so it's working) in doom builder, i can't figure out how to get it in as a thing with the things mode
unreal oyster
ideally you'd use MAPINFO to define a DoomEdNum for that weapon (that works as an index for the game to work out what to spawn)
so, in a MAPINFO lump inside the wad file, you'd do something like this:
DoomEdNums {
10001 = MyWeapon
}
10001 is an arbitrarily chosen number, but i like to choose high ones, to make sure they're unique
unreal oyster
there's also a shortcut you can use in the decorate code but it's been phased out in the new zscript language so i don't think it's a good habit to get into
therefore, the MAPINFO solution is better
unreal oyster
oh, you're still on DB2, huh?
^ try that
it's mostly the same, but updated to support newer gzdoom features
including MAPINFO DoomEdNums
covert plover
I found something
i think the pickup is stuck under the ground somehow
but yeah ill download the thing
figured it out
apparently i hadn't positioned the pickup sprite correctly
thanks for the help Gutawer B)
unreal oyster
cool 👍
covert plover
👍
haughty flower
what does this usually mean?
tender sorrel
is the actor you're giving that a proper inventory item
unknown property error usualy comes if you try give a wrong type of actor a wrong type of property
@unreal oyster i read the announcement that i gotta ping you here, so does having made colourfulhell and tailor girl count enough for modder role
unreal oyster
yeah
we have a lot of people in that role who've not released anything to my knowledge anyway 😛
tender sorrel
\o/
vivid forum
How do you get to move vertices vertically mode in gzdoom 3d editing mode?
haughty flower
you have sector heights
not "vertical"
that's not really possible
it's just 2d but with height number
what are you trying to do
@vivid forum
vivid forum
Apparently in UDMF you can move vertices
vivid forum
It puts a little pyramid pointing to the verex, then you can click that and then move them up and down
haughty flower
holy
how to do this
i wanna try it
wait
its just making a tirnagle sector right
unreal oyster
draw a triangular sector and go into 3d mode, click the pyramid and scroll with the mouse
yes
haughty flower
because when i accidentally fucked up my room with a triangle sector it showed those 3 thingmabobs
in the 3d view
that's pretty cool haha
might find an use for it
unreal oyster
it has to be triangular for mathematical reasons, if you wanna know
light prism
hiiii
vivid forum
Okay, so now I'm going to have to figure out how to change the player's sprite, get rid of all guns, and modify their movement. I'm making a Marble Madness TC.
light prism
you can toggle the vertice height things off
if you want
@vivid forum - lol, I was actually thinking about that the other day
though my inspiration was Spindizzy
vivid forum
Spindizzy?
light prism
which is like open-world marble madness
yeah, reaaaally old game
but similar to marble madness
vivid forum
ah gotcha
light prism
except its just one big world split into screens and there are collectibles, etc
vivid forum
I'm figuring I'll have to have the player's movement be "additive" rather than direct input.
unreal oyster
the least messy way to do that is through ZScript's ways of doing all of those things, especially the movement modification
vivid forum
That's what I meant, not decorate, silly me
light prism
yeah, zscript would probably be optimal for that
unreal oyster
player classes have the function movePlayer() which the engine calls to handle input
and its virtual so you can replace it
haughty flower
you can still do squares, octagons and basically any shape you want @unreal oyster
cause triangles make up anything you want them to
light prism
dat pedantry
unreal oyster
yes but the sectors need to be a triangle
haughty flower
yeah
light prism
@unreal oyster did you see my pic of progress on the door mimic? 😛
haughty flower
technically you can recreate HL2 displacements in fucking doom
unreal oyster
it's not even pedantry because i never said that you couldn't draw a more complex shape
unreal oyster
so it's not pedantry, it's just being wrong
light prism
dont be pedantic about pedantry
light prism
or you'll get the pedant pendant
vivid forum
Later, after I'm done with Marble Madness, I'll see if it's possible to do Bubble Bobble.
unreal oyster
TMC, no, i didn't see that
light prism
oh THC, youo reminded me
unreal oyster
yeah woooops
unreal oyster
i feel like the teeth could use just a bit of bitcrushing 😛
light prism
yeah probably
i just googled and stole the first thing without an obvious watermark
for placeholder
also not sure if i should keep the jagged door-teeth as well
haughty flower
@unreal oyster does gzdoom&pk3 allow longer-than-8-char filenames
haughty flower
CAN you in a pk3? yes. SHOULD YOU? no, because gzdoom itself only reads up to the 8th char in a filename
light prism
shitford - ignoring extensions is useful though
so you can just go DECORATE.MyMonster.Variant2.LMP
haughty flower
(i literally just said that gzdoom ignores anything past the 8th char in a filename)
haughty flower
because gzdoom ignores anything past the 8th char in a filename
(i'm not so sure you're getting what i'm saying, mrcat. i said you shouldn't use 9+ char filenames)
light prism
oh right
but what im saying is, you can bypass that by using extensions as descriptors
which @haughty flower may not know
also that rule does not apply to everything
any graphic or model lump can be referenced with more than 8 chars
haughty flower
you know what i'll just do 8chars
light prism
just use extensions
haughty flower
nah
haughty flower
it's an ipk3 so i don't really need to use detailed stuff to not overwrite anything else
because there isn't any "anything else"
lol
light prism
yeah but you can still split the basics
DECORATE.Monsters, DECORATE.Decorations, etc
makes em a lot easier to get at
unreal oyster
[9:41 PM] shitford: CAN you in a pk3? yes. SHOULD YOU? no, because gzdoom itself only reads up to the 8th char in a filename only sometimes
it depends on what we're talking about
gzdoom will only search for 8-char lumps for namespacing, but in many cases (i.e. SNDINFO) you can use more than 8 chars provided you supply a full path
also i don't like the differing extensions for multiple files personally
that's what #includes are for
haughty flower
Script error, "xplodr.ipk3:decorate" line 19:
Sprite names must be exactly 4 characters
???
what do i name my sprites
PZSTA
@unreal oyster
unreal oyster
PZST A 1, something like that (in DECORATE)
unreal oyster
yeah PZSTA0 is good if you don't want rotations
then in decorate you refer to it as PZST A 1 (replace 1 with the amount of ticks)
unreal oyster
by using a smaller sprite or using A_SetScale
if the gun is that big though it looks like the sprite is just way bigger than it needs to be
haughty flower
i'll just A_SetScale
like this?
also no it doesn't say PTSD
it's PSTD as in PiSTolDropped
or you can just use simple Scale
what
unreal oyster
yeah actually Scale is a property too
haughty flower
example
no
i'l just use A_SetScale
k
sounds good, doesn't work
ok i'll use scale then
does it also scale the HUD sprite though
unreal oyster
no
prisma saddle
@covert plover I love those fingers.
vivid forum
Did you figure it out @haughty flower I have the same problem
covert plover
thanks B)
haughty flower
@haughty flower pretty sure he's taking about the sprite problem
i just did Scale 0.45
misty bramble
Bit off topic, but where would you guys recommend hosting WADs?
haughty flower
/idgames
But with Bloodshedder in control of the archives I doubt it your wad will make it through
There's also Doomshack.org and Wad Archive
haughty flower
just host it on dropbox and pray you don't run out of space
frosty magnet
Map 05 is finished (somewhat). Also fixed a massive error with the secret count being wrong. Do give feedback :3 (besides the door tracks not being lower unpegged)
frosty magnet
*I also forgot to make some areas impassible in map 05 rip
haughty flower
@formal swallow amazing work dude
playing through map02 rn
almost done with it
is this a reference to quake?
also, I can't grab that Berserker
I'm loving it so far
@frosty magnet cool shit
why so many stimpacks tho
formal swallow
@haughty flower thanks! there's another secret switch for lowering the floor in front of berserk. the switch may or may not be visible in that screenshot...
haughty flower
how do i make it so, for example, i want two pistols as if they were dual wielded, without having to make it a dual wield sprite?
wasn't there a code thing in decorate to do that?
to just mirror the sprite and all?
lavish hollow
Gotta use the Texture1 and/or Texture2 lumps iirc
haughty flower
i'll just make it a laser pistol fuck that lol
unreal oyster
it kinda depends how old on it, there are some really bad old methods to do it, one of which Xaser invented (not ragging on him - it was the only option at the time)
light prism
A_Overlay is the best
you dont need to modify any graphics
it has flags specifically for making dual wield
unreal oyster
^
light prism
also fuck texture1/2 lump
haughty flower
Doom 2, UDMF, use GZDoom
@light prism since you're so good at UDMF give feedback on my UDMF skills pls
light prism
better be short, i have to go to work soon
light prism
oh its a terrance wad
unreal oyster
yea
light prism
would have been okay if not for the ear rape
lavish hollow
I honestly had kind of a feeling that's why he'd get banned
haughty flower
it's fucking common sense though lol
Me? I'm trying to exist between communities now. Trying not to piss anymore people off, it's not the late 2000's anymore.
haughty flower
he told me that apparently someone else posted a terrywad and got away with it on here
unreal oyster
well, we didn't see it
haughty flower
makes sense
I think it's common sense, to not post terrywads, on a regular Doom community server
we have our own server, you can't... troll that way anymore
we've had that stripped from us when Bloodshedder took over after Ty passed away
unreal oyster
but tbh AsianMammoth was on the verge of a ban anyway due to their warning count
prisma saddle
Oh.
unreal oyster
wasn't it Ty who did the inital /terrywads split though
sure, Bloodshedder's harsher on them but Ty started the split
haughty flower
yeah I think it was because people were zip bombing, fucking with configs
prisma saddle
Who's Ty and Blood shedder?
haughty flower
for what it's worth even I found that shit more annoying than funny
rugged shore
mammoth in a way was a prick
unreal oyster
Ty was the /idgames maintainer (sadly died) and Bloodshedder is the current maintainer
prisma saddle
Let's nice it to #179862926809759744
haughty flower
kk np
light prism
to be fair i think i posted Fruzzlewumps.wad here and didnt get warned
light prism
it was an entry for my Shitty Map Contest
i guess it doesnt have the normal attributes of a terry
haughty flower
o
light prism
though it is an eye and earsore
hazy lantern
@haughty flower I'm glad there is someone who understands why we act quickly with the banhammer when someone shares this junk shit. I'm really fed up with people labeling this as "Fun".
haughty flower
Yeah that's my scene's problem, not you guys', you guys are cool, you aren't Doomworld, you guys are chill and shit, so.
hazy lantern
Thanks. Hope you enjoy your stay.
haughty flower
ty
hazy lantern
@haughty flower Just out of personal interest: What motivates you to make such WADs?
haughty flower
Self amusement really
hazy lantern
I see
haughty flower
Never really wanted to harm people, just enjoyed the reactions back then I guess
light prism
thanks for ear rape
haughty flower
Ling's story about his hard drive crashing, does anyone really believe that though? lmao
hazy lantern
I watched a bunch of videos of a guy who played a lot of these levels and I was just terrified why people put so much time into making them.
haughty flower
for fun really
violet mountain
It's mainly personal amusement, for a lot of people that's the case
haughty flower
that's like asking why a boozer would spend all their hard-earned money on boozer, it doesn't really make a lot of logical sense other than that's their tihng, I guess
light prism
dont you ever worry that someone with a heart condition or epilepsy will play one and have a seizure or die
hazy lantern
Especially all that raping "jokes"... disgusting...
haughty flower
I do actually
You're asking the one who's a very, kind of... rock and a hard place fellow
hazy lantern
@light prism Very good question.
haughty flower
UACMN was able to entertain here and there without overdoing shit sometimes
I mean honestly I get the perspective from both sides
None of us have ever actually met the real Terry, just someone who goes way back with him
light prism
well i ask because i have bad tinnitus and it got set off by the terrywad above
and thats annoying enough
hazy lantern
That's sad to hear. Hope you're alright.
haughty flower
I try to be one of our nicest, Jim Flannigan, if you've ever heard of me, yeah, bbfourty had a massive fucking zip bomb but I'm past that shit now.
that was years ago
unreal oyster
i actually didn't get to the bit with the earrape, so i don't know how bad it was, i just opened it (expecting a terrywad, knowing AsianMammoth's history here) and got my suspicions confirmed very quickly upon SOMEMONG
haughty flower
yeah he's not the brightest kid lol
he's hella good at detailing though
better than I've ever been
violet mountain
Yea
haughty flower
some of us got bored from generic maps as well, I tried numerous times to make some decent maps
if you guys got questions, you can ask me and Tiki, no problemo
violet mountain
Yea, lol
haughty flower
we're probably two of the most harmless of any terrywadders really
vocal crypt
what drives you?
haughty flower
i only really get motivated to make a map when there's the thought that i can throw in bullshit moments
and terry traps just happen to be the ultimate bullshit moment that is possible to throw into a wad
outsider art I guess, if you could call it that, I'd save it for a different channel or something idk if the staff here wants it in this channel lol
could probably continue the discussion in #172869448863055872 I guess idk lol
unreal oyster
[8:26 PM] The Fuckynator: he's hella good at detailing though
[8:26 PM] The Fuckynator: better than I've ever been
you mean in the terrywadding community specifically? i've seen much better stuff than the "fakeout room" in the wad he shared
violet mountain
He's decent, there are better wadders, but they most likely wont associate with any doom community beyond trolling
haughty flower
GE's a lost cause, I won't talk about it here but yeah
winged ruin
I'm trying to learn some doom maping but i can't make teleporters work. I do set up everything right but i can't get it to work. I'm using UDMF
haughty flower
So what method is the player supposed to activate said teleporters?
light prism
i have yet to see someone make a teleporter that is activated by a projectile cross
(i mean one that teleports the player when he shoots across it)
winged ruin
Is there any recommended format for creating levels now? I've heard Hexen and UDMF are pretty much the ones recommended without limiting yourself
unreal oyster
Hexen isn't recommended by anyone over UDMF
but overall there really isn't a recommended format, it depends what you wanna make
haughty flower
My advice if you're just starting, stick to like, Vanilla formats, until you get more comfortable. UDMF isn't for beginners bud. 😛
unreal oyster
Boom is great for simplicity, UDMF is best for complexity
and, i mean technical complexity
not layout complexity
haughty flower
One must crawl, before they walk.
light prism
imo there is no reason to not use UDMF , it isnt 'more complex' to just make a map with it
unreal oyster
some of the best stuff is made in Boom (see: Ancient Aliens)
light prism
its only complex if you WANT it to be
unreal oyster
TMC, i personally feel that i just work faster in Boom
light prism
the only benefits of vanilla formats are that they are universally accepted by any port
haughty flower
less options, less overwhelmed
light prism
which is ironic considering UDMF = Universal Doom Map Format
unreal oyster
that's a personal anecdote of course though
haughty flower
lol yeah, it's called that yet few ports support it
unreal oyster
but i feel it's worth mentioning because others feel the same way
winged ruin
i mean i rather get used to UDMF from very basics and then just open to more advanced stuff
light prism
yeah, its better to get used to it
if you plan on using it exclusively
it just allows for far more flexibility
winged ruin
now i know how to do lifts, teleporters and level exits with UDMF
light prism
in the long run
vanilla format line actions are very strict
and just not really very customizable without trickery that a noob wouldnt know how to do anyway
light prism
yeah, and of course, you can't use any zdoom extended functionality in vanilla formats
winged ruin
yeah i was doing layouts and things with Doom format and it was limiting, i switched to UDMF after learning they are different and then i saw a lot of new options
light prism
and boom has some but not all
its certainly easier in UDMF to say, change sector colors or fog, than it is in Doom in Hexen
unreal oyster
[10:14 PM] ░▒▓ TheMisterCat ▓▒░: yeah, and of course, you can't use any zdoom extended functionality in vanilla formats actually, you kinda can - you can slap a zdoom action number into a vanilla map and it'll work
like line_horizon
only in zdoom, of course
haughty flower
I like that, line_horizon
light prism
in UDMF you just change a property, in DiH you'd have to create a startup script that uses Sector_SetColor/SetFade
haughty flower
so cool
light prism
@unreal oyster - yeah, but that kinda defeats the point right
haughty flower
oh god yeah you're right, I hated doing that
light prism
like if you had a map that had flow that relies on some 3d floors existing for you to walk across
and you ran it in chocolate doom
unreal oyster
not really, it allows you to make a mostly vanilla map with some small zdoom enhancements
i'm not suggesting you use the linedefs that greatly affect gameplay, god no
like, AA uses ZDoom features to play sound effects in maps to add atmosphere
small things like that
light prism
sure
though you could probably find some hacky vanilla way to do that too
like using dehacked to change ss nazi's idle sound and having them hidden in pockets
unreal oyster
right but that wouldn't have predictability 😛
light prism
anyway regardless i see no point to not use UDMF, it's not like having to use g/zdoom to play it is a huge issue, ports are like, under 10mb
just have all doom ports in some folder somewhere
haughty flower
fair
unreal oyster
i've used both and i see reasons to use both, it's a matter of what you're making
sometimes i just wanna bang out a quick doom map and for that boom is great
if i wanna make something more substantial and "revolutionary", i'll spring for UDMF
winged ruin
i just want to make cool shit
haughty flower
lol don't we all
winged ruin
it's more for the act of making it, rather than showing it and people telling me how it is
light prism
yeah boom is good for its generalized actions
zinc egret
Does the role imply showing previous works
http://www.moddb.com/games/doom/addons/friends-house http://www.moddb.com/games/doom/addons/nukage-dump http://www.moddb.com/games/doom-ii/addons/hellbrary http://www.moddb.com/games/doom-ii/addons/whack http://www.moddb.com/games/doom/addons/abyssus <@&381923883919343617>
Didn't expect it to show ALL screenshots
unreal oyster
glaice, there's no need for you to be judged, i know you've released stuff before hence why i kept you on the role 😛
haughty flower
Man those look old school (in a good way haha)
winged ruin
ok i'm an idiot and now it won't highlight anything i select in 3D mode, what did i touch to fuck it up
haughty flower
read through the hotkeys and whatnot in your settings and whatnot, I skipped out lol
winged ruin
fug
unreal oyster
yeah it confused me the first time i accidentally did it
now i actually use the highlight toggle all the time heh
winged ruin
also , when i make a lift and lowers, it always doesn't come down all the way, it just sticks up a little bit, how can i fix that
unreal oyster
I believe that's just a weird quirk of UDMF, you can use the Plat_DownWaitUpStayLip special to get around it (GZDoom Builder will have a nicer name for it, but I don't know what it is)
It's special number 206, anyway
So you can put that in the special number input box
winged ruin
lemme check
Platform Lower Wait Rise (lip)
i don't know what lip means
but that fixed it
light prism
usually a floor lower ends at 8units above the nearest floor
well, depending on action
which actually usually looks more pleasant than having it flush with the surrounding area
zinc egret
frosty magnet
how do boom compatible maps have it so that when you kill something you end a level, open up a door, etc?
zinc egret
Sounds a lot like the tag usage for certain maps (E1M8, E2M8, E4M8, MAP07, MAP32)
unreal oyster
^
light prism
yeah, for a vanilla-style map you would need to make it on one of those specific map numbers
otherwise you can add new definitions under MAPINFO, i believe
unreal oyster
There's no other way to do that in boom and it's limited to specific monsters
light prism
(like e1m8, when all barons are killed, sector 666 ceiling will raise)
yeah, these are all static
unreal oyster
But, people get around it and make good maps with the limitation regardless (see: The Mancubian Candidate from Valiant)
lavish hollow
there's no other way to do that in boon
light prism
note it has to select a monster which uses A_BossDeath in its death state
frosty magnet
I see, thanks guys!
OK so it's just using tag 666 and 667
And also certain monsters (MEH IM LAZY TO MAKE MY OWN MAPINFO FOR NOW LMAO)
zinc egret
Specific maps are hardcoded for that but MAPINFO should let you do that with any map I think
light prism
well if you did it would be limited to working under zdoom anyway
frosty magnet
^^
light prism
otherwise yes, you will need to stick to vanilla format
light prism
mancs and arachs on map07, barons on e1m8, etc
frosty magnet
Aight aight
light prism
of course there are sneaky ways to do anything if youre up for making voodoo dolls/barrel/crusher/conveyor belt chains
but that shit is hacky as hell
frosty magnet
oh i plan on doing that for Map 06 of my wad thingy
zinc egret
The pit in E3M2 MoC OK is no longer inescapable
zinc egret
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/music/dminvert I made this shit back in 2013 (not shit but very amusing)
haughty flower
sigh
i need some help regarding uh, having 2 sprites lower or raise at once
it just spazzes out ingame
it's because it's looping the two
i think
anyway it's annoying as fuck
lavish hollow
Are you sure you're supposed to loop them?
unreal oyster
Of course it's going to do that, you're just telling it to display the sprites every frame
lavish hollow
He's wagging the gun like a dog's tail
vocal crypt
If he's lucky the gun will discharge and end his gun safety problem @lavish hollow
haughty flower
@unreal oyster yes thank you
light prism
you dont even need two separate sprite names
a_overlay has a_overlayflags which will allow you to mirror the original
frosty magnet
@haughty flower why do you have 2 different frames raising in the select state
Are you trying to make it rise up faster?
haughty flower
yes, try suggesting something that already got suggested
frosty magnet
Gg i didnt see that above
light prism
[9:51 AM] Lazorical: i'm trying to make 2 things rise at once lmao
thats what she said
haughty flower
ree
light prism
hint:
TNT1 A 1 { A_Overlay(2, "Raise"); A_OverLay(3, "Raise"); A_OverlayFlags(3, PSPF_FLIP | PSPF_MIRROR); }
TNT1 A 0 A_Raise
loop```er, i guess use something other than Raise
but those overlay states are the actual weapon draw states
frosty magnet
Or just have Select go directly to Ready, or some other state, that instantiates a gunflash/overlay and then have it do stuff from there
haughty flower
but the sprites
light prism
the main select sprites are invisible, yes
light prism
if you make a state for the actual weapon sprites
and use that as the A_Overlay state call
haughty flower
ohh
light prism
(dont use Raise, that was my bad)
overlay states exist on numbered layers, and can be interrupted by other calls to the same layer
idle geode
prisma saddle
@rancid wedge Yes, but the colours you picked are just, too garish.
rancid wedge
oh? ok what colors do you think i should use
prisma saddle
Probably a darker red and maybe a light grey.
Light grey because you can add highlights to it and such.
light prism
once you go darker
you can return easily by ctrl-z undo
@prisma saddle - theres nothing wrong with garish color in a christmas wad
i mean thats basically the whole point
prisma saddle
True, true.
light prism
put a bow ont he end
prisma saddle
Missle toe launcher.
rancid wedge
thats all i have but it looks like shit
you think i should just put a bow?
i might do missle toe for rocket launcher dont want to do baubles like every other christmas wad maybe snowballs for rockets though
idk
you think i should just do all of the ssg?
with the lights
prisma saddle
Have it shoot christmas lights.
prisma saddle
Hmmm.
golden drum
Ayy prolly gonna start working on the Doom discord megawad when I get home. What's the status of that? How many people are on board, is anything done, etc.
lavish hollow
What is it
weak dune
Hey, does anyone know how to increase the amount of damage a monster deals? I asked Reddit, but all I got was several vague answers.
shadow bone
Depends on the engine you're using. If it's GZDoom, you can use ZScript or DECORATE to "inherit and replace" the original monster with a slightly altered version
Example here: https://zdoom.org/wiki/Using_inheritance
weak dune
Okay, but which statistic am I supposed to edit? I do not see an entry for damage -anywhere- in the decorate definitions.
shadow bone
you may have to replace the attack function with a generic, customizable version
weak dune
Whoah. You lost me. (I'm making my first mod)
shadow bone
Like here: https://zdoom.org/wiki/Classes:ZombieMan
In the missile state you see A_PosAttack?
that's the hardcoded attack function
weak dune
Okay.
shadow bone
so you'd replace that with a new missile state that calls A_CustomBulletAttack instead
with the desired parameters
weak dune
But where do I modify the attacks?
shadow bone
That's how you'd do it. Here's an example, give me a minute
weak dune
K
shadow bone
Here's the relevant parts of the original zombie:
ACTOR ZombieMan
{
States
{
Missile:
POSS E 10 A_FaceTarget
POSS F 8 A_PosAttack
POSS E 8
goto See
}
}```
Your new one might look like this: ```cpp
ACTOR NewZombieMan : Zombieman replaces Zombieman
{
States
{
Missile:
POSS E 10 A_FaceTarget
POSS F 8 A_CustomBulletAttack(22.5, 0, 1, random(1,5)*6, "BulletPuff", 0, CBAF_NORANDOM)
POSS E 8
goto See
}
}```Okay, but where do I create a new attack? In the decorate?
shadow bone
Yes. Start by modifying the original monsters like shown above, and reading lots and lots of the ZDoom wiki
weak dune
Okay. Thank you!
Okay. I found this page: https://zdoom.org/wiki/A_CustomBulletAttack Can I just modify the parameters here to increase damage?
light prism
that is literally what his example above is
weak dune
Okay. Thanks to @shadow bone , I have managed to change the Damage values of both the Zombieman and the ShotgunGuy. However, I am having trouble with DoomImp and Demon.
With the Imp, I tried replacing replacing A_TroopAttack with A_CustomComboAttack("DoomImpBall", 32, [DAMAGE], "imp/melee")
But that does not work.
frosty magnet
Why not try doing A_FireCustomMissile with an A_PlaySound
weak dune
I'll try that tomorrow, thanks. Also, I got the demon working. I was using the parameters wrong.
frosty magnet
I'm pretty sure the wiki page offers code equivalents for things like A_FirePistol, A_TroopAttack, A_FireShotgun, etc.
So use the wiki to your advantage
livid hearth
So, imagine a cannon type weapon that can capture and miniaturize demons
The energy it takes to suck in demons depends on the demon's power
Larger demons will take ages to capture, while minor demons can be almost instantly captured
and here's where it gets fun
the weapon fires demons at other demons, in the reverse order they were captured
and the damage caused will depend on the demon
Some demon will simply gib on impact
some, like the imp or the cacodemon will explode in a storm of fire and lightning on impact
others like the Pain Elemental will eject all of its lost souls who then crash into the nearest bleeding actor, friend or foe
finally, you'd have the archvile, who will resurrect all nearby enemies on impact, but those enemies will be friendly
tender sorrel
weapon of great succ eh?
I think similiar ones have been done, atleast projectile ones
livid hearth
Yes
But I think the idea is worth refining
I like the idea of the weapon keeping track of demon order
livid hearth
which can lead to the weapon itself having a display that shows cute goofy portraits of the poor demons that are about to be launched next
The Suck-4 BLY47
tender sorrel
i think this could be a fun idea, id use it if it didnt require editing from monsters part aswell, cause it sounds like it would
tho I think I know someone who could use this idea~
and I could help with the sprite part to make it happen
want me to forward it, @livid hearth ?
livid hearth
Sure
Just be sure to add that the monsters would have goofy faces when being launched out
tender sorrel
obviously
livid hearth
Yay
bold heron
hey so do you guys think this is a good layout concept idea thing? start at the black s, fight your way around the loop to the switch to open access to the hub and three of the spokes, which contain switches that open the other, key spokes. getting all three keys opens the exit. each spoke would be more complicated than im showing here but i didnt want to make the diagram too cluttered
unreal oyster
i think that hubspoke layouts are generally pretty boring
light prism
yeahhh that has been done plenty of times
light prism
seks
royal wave
Don't take criticism as an attack either
haughty flower
benis
haughty flower
@Ambureon#5014 is that for a level hub or an actual map
@bold heron
if for a level hub, it's okay i guess, something better would be best though
for an actual map, definitely not, because it's just, meh.
it's too basic, it's too boring and bland probably, and not cool in general i guess
haughty flower
@light prism the code you gave me before with the overlay and stuff, how do i make it display the pistol sprite?
because it isn't
nevermind you already told me
but what'd you mean with that though
oh whoop nevermind i think i found out
haughty flower
how do i make it so the pistol overlays actually fire though?
this doesn't seem to work
light prism
overlay states work exactly like normal states
btw get rid of the 'goto Ready'
have it 'stop' instead
light prism
hold on
ignore the weird fire method, that is set up so they can fire independantly
just look at the way the overlays are done
haughty flower
thank very many
the pistols don't exactly fire @light prism they alert monsters but don't fire
even when looking over your code it's confusing me because it's so annoying having to see the altfire stuff and all
light prism
show me your code
light prism
or not
haughty flower
Has anyone ported Space Invaders to ACS yet?
With the introduction of ZScript, it'd be cool to see a lot of old 80's games ported to the GZDoom engine
prisma saddle
Yeah, could be pretty fun. We
haughty flower
I mean call this nefarious but I plan to make Terry parodies of them
gives an excuse not to bother remaking the graphics from said games lol
light prism
light prism
space invaders would be pretty much the same functionality as this, really
haughty flower
I was trying to make a Terry parody of it, Ass Invaders, where you play as a Romeroman shooting down Carnevils
lol Pac-Man with Doom 2 title music
Pretty good, kicks my ass like the real deal
light prism
few bugs but meh
haughty flower
works pretty good
light prism
sometimes a ghost will lose collision after being eaten and reforming
haughty flower
o
light prism
and red ghost is supposed to be 5% faster than other ghosts but sometimes gets a weird speed boost over that
haughty flower
hmm
If a games' source code is C-based, would it make it easier to port to ZScript?
light prism
that question doesnt really make too much sense
haughty flower
Doesn't ZScript make things great for people who know C?
light prism
zscript is its own language and borrows from several languages
haughty flower
oh
unreal oyster
ZScript isn't that much like C at all
light prism
but translating a method really boils down to how well you understand the method, more than the languages involved
prisma saddle
The thing about Pac-mans path finding is its pretty much entirely maze reliant.
haughty flower
I noticed that he upped the ante by adding more than just the default one featured in the original Pac-Man./
prisma saddle
Remove the maze and they'll just take a diagnol to their destination.
light prism
the thing about how i made pac.pk3's pathfinding is i went way overboard and gave the ghosts full collision detection
in original pacman they moved statically between nodes(intersections)
so no, remove the maze and they will still do the same thing
under my system, remove the maze and they will all just move up continuously, wrapping to the bottom
prisma saddle
Well, yeah, remove the maze and they'll go to their nodes,
light prism
my ghosts check for possible intersections every tic, which is overkill
prisma saddle
The collision is what fakes the path finding.
weak dune
@autumn turtle5th @light prism
I did check the wiki, I tried the sampled code, that did not work.
light prism
i dont remember what you are talking about
oh okay
wait
is this for a WEAPON?
A_CustomBulletAttack is for MONSTER attacks
for a weapon you want https://zdoom.org/wiki/A_FireBullets
for future reference, this is all under DECORATE->Action Functions on the left hand side menu
which is split into types of functions
lavish hollow
@frosty magnet
haughty flower
@light prism hey, you there? if so, i have a question, uhh, let me think lol
oh right
can you change the variables or floats in A_FireBullets for example with let's say, ACS variables or decorate inventory actors etc?
light prism
you can use the ExecuteWithResult value from a script, yes
also these
anyway worktime
haughty flower
@unreal oyster is it possible to use ints defined in ACS in sbarinfo?
because i'm trying to make it draw weapon experience for a certain weapon
this is my current ACS code
haughty flower
wait wait
i just did a lot of stuff
how do i make it so an inventory item is shown in the status bar, and constantly updates
it gives one of those inventory items when you shoot the pistol, and i want the number of experience you have to be shown on the hud
this is what i get ingame but it never updates
@unreal oyster so i basically have an inventory item and i don't know how to check ingame if it's being updated at all
when i give myself the experience, it doesn't update the status bar aswell
so the problem's definitely there
haughty flower
so i made this in zscript, it gets my inventory item and draws it, which it does
except the number stays 0
even after getting more of said inventory item
@unreal oyster how do i make the drawn number update
last ping for today i'm gonna fucking stop after this
unreal oyster
that seems like it should work
haughty flower
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308781568942407680/383662267046166528/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308781568942407680/383662283022401537/unknown.png
unreal oyster
what does printinv display?
haughty flower
even after giving myself WeaponExpPistol2 through console it doesn't work
let me check
oh
so it was part of the inventory problem?
haughty flower
it's a custominventory actor made in decorate
in a decorate called "WEAPONS" included by another file ofcourse
i didn't forget that at least
anyway, how is it not working
because this has been confusing me all day
unreal oyster
that'll be the problem, if a CustomInventory item doesn't have a Use state it gets destroyed when you pick up the item
you probably want a normal Inventory item
unreal oyster
like, remove the Custom
true galleon
im gonna make a new episode with themed levels
5 levels and two secret levels
haughty flower
@unreal oyster how does return state blahblah work?
apparently not like this
the wiki is a bit confusing to me right now
tender sorrel
you need to specify a return state null
or something like that
for the fails if it happens
or wait scratch that
Depends really what you're doing, I dont really know why you would use return state if you dont have a if else or case thingies when you could just have the action and then use the goto after state
but when I use it, I tend to do it like this;
unless im misunderstanding what you're trying to do
haughty flower
@tender sorrel basically i want the spawnitemex to check for room, and if it doesn't, give back the sentry box
then if it does have room, don't give the sentry box
aaa
tender sorrel
Ah
haughty flower
i don't know how
tender sorrel
Well
haughty flower
because it all requires confusing code
tender sorrel
How I'd go for it;
Make the spawn item ex spawn an item same size of the thing that gives player item if it is placed, like a powerup item or something, then check for that item, if player did not get that item, go to a state where they get the box back, if they got the item, continue to the sentry
haughty flower
uhh okay
tender sorrel
Like, lets say spawnitem "Blueprint"
Blueprint is same size and stuff as your sentry, but it just gives a powerup called like "wrench" or so to the player with radius give or something then vanishes
the powerup "wrench"could last like 60 tics or something but basicly do nothing, and then you just can go with the old style of "jumpifinventory" or if you wanna be fancy, {If(CountInv("Wrench") == 1){return ResolveState("sentrytime");} return ResolveState(Null); }}
so this way you have the blueprint check the spot and gives you an item if spawnitem can spawn it
and the item is the green light
for placing it
If you want I can write you a quick exsample
Alright, is the sentry box an item in inventory?
@haughty flower
if its a weapon then its bit more complex
but if its inventory item its bit more simple