Mainly thought you meant "I want to be able to shoot at toilets and windows and watch them explode"
#classic-doom-maps-mods
prisma saddle
ionic stratus
Oh god no. Nothing that huge.
light prism
that's not to say that you can't incorporate an abstract layout with realistic visuals
it's just harder
ionic stratus
I guess part of it is when I think about a map, abstract doesn't come to mind. heh.
light prism
is your mother a cartographer
ionic stratus
No. ;P
light prism
heh
haughty flower
Hangars aren't really interesting.
ionic stratus
Yeah, looking at it, I'm kinda wondering what I could do with it at this point.
light prism
you could build a base around the hangar heh
ionic stratus
Well, the initial idea of the level was 'You start out in one of the bays as the whole 'Hell invades Mars' thing happens. Try to leave via the Transit station, only to find it's offline, then have to find a way into the maintenance tunnels to reach other parts of the base.
light prism
well that sounds reasonable
haughty flower
That sounds cool.
light prism
i think part of what you need to do is give the illusion of size
haughty flower
^
light prism
have sections of the hangar that are visible but inaccessible, doors that are locked or jammed, etc
even just being able to see the sky gives you some idea of scale
really what you want to do is funnel the player into a path (or series of branching/connecting paths)
and the best way to do that is to have movement and light in those areas
movement could be sector movement or monsters, light is up to your discretion
maybe have important doors with different light colors or just stick with a certain color that says 'go this way'
ionic stratus
Makes sense.
Oh yeah, I recall in Duke Nukem 3D's build engine you could stick stuff on wall textures akin to decals. IE, for signs, decorations, etc. Does Doom allow for anything like that? Or do you just have to use a texture that has said decor built into it?
light prism
doom doesnt natively do that, but zdoom has ways of doing it yes
Decals and Flatsprites
flatsprites are basically like the duke ones
decals are their own system and are mostly used for bulletholes and other interactions (blood sliding down walls etc)
royal wave
you can work around this by drawing a line def 1 unit away from a wall, and then using a mid texture
haughty flower
^
royal wave
GZDoom Builder offers smaller units, but idk if that's a UDMF thing or not
and I don't recommend going smaller than 1 pixel. Tried to do 1/8th units and it doesn't play nice
light prism
yeah, you can do it that way too
for static stuff that is usually fine
however wall and flatsprites offer more versatility in that they are actors and can do anything an actor could
ionic stratus
Gotcha. In this case it would mostly be for signage and the like.
light prism
like say, have fog that modifies its alpha up and down without scripting
yeah, for signs a linedef is fine
ionic stratus
I guess I'd need to get some actual textures to fill that purpose though. I'm still just using the vanilla doom2.wad stuff.
light prism
true
really easy to make a texture pack
just make a zip file, rename it to .pk3, have a folder inside called 'textures', put stuff in there
ionic stratus
Well, more like I'd need textures. I can't draw. ;P
royal wave
Learn to vanilla first
lavish hollow
Then strawberry next
ionic stratus
Fair nuff.
lavish hollow
And if you're feeling adventurous
light prism
yeah just put the 'exit' sign texture everywhere
lavish hollow
Mint chocolate chip
light prism
make the entire map exit signs
ionic stratus
...I want mint chocolate chip now. Damnit. x.x;
lavish hollow
Same
light prism
plz take it to #opinion_of_icecream_flavours
oh wowsers, ctrl+shift-tab switches servers in discord
ionic stratus
For me it's ctrl tab.
ionic stratus
Aaah. Neat, I didn't know about the backward.
ionic stratus
Dumb question. I know you guys said to stick to vanilla, but I wanted to grab at least one weak melee monster for punching purposes (Part of the map's flow would be starting with only melee, and having to actually find a gun. However, because I don't want to be an asshole, I wanted a monster that's feasible to take unarmed). I found a monster from a repository site, but...It's in wad format. How do I actually extract it so it can be in a pk3 file and remove the need for multiple wads?
royal wave
open it in slade
and what we mean by vanilla
take baby steps
understand how the game works already before you take advantage of what it can do
ionic stratus
Ah, gotcha and fair enough. But yeah. My idea was 'you start with your fists' so I grabbed a weak borderline punchingbag zombie to use.
light prism
you can literally put the wad inside the pk3, however that is considered a filthy unclean method
ionic stratus
Yeah, unclean baaaaad. ;P
light prism
otherwise you get SLADE
ionic stratus
Gotcha
light prism
export all the lumps into the corresponding pk3 folders
like S_START S_END range in a wad is sprites\ in a pk3
sounds in sounds\ etc
depending on what you are trying to combine, you may (more often than not) have to change some filenames or pointers to files in order to get stuff working properly
and you should also respect the license wording provided by the author
ionic stratus
Course.
light prism
WARNING: Loading WAD files inside of a ZIP or a PK3 will cause memory issues to arise. ZDoom will unpack each WAD file and use more memory to access the contents. This effect quickly adds up, especially in larger mods (with the exception of map wads in the maps/ folder, provided they follow the format explicitly -- see below). The bigger the mod is, the more likely it may run out of memory during play and crashing ZDoom, or for memory corruption to occur. Thus, it is highly recommended to completely unpack the entire contents of any WADs inside, or part of the mod, into the sorted directories.
ionic stratus
He didn't seem to include any kind of usage terms, but it's literally just a standalone wad with the monster resources.
light prism
this warning has its bite significantly lessened when you consider that the amount of memory we are talking about is fucking tiny
but it does make sense to not do it as a rule of thumb, as when you have 100 wad files in a pk3 the effect may be worsened
ionic stratus
http://realm667.com/index.php/en/beastiary-mainmenu-136-69621/doom-style-mainmenu-105-73113?start=180#credits-6 It's the Zombie Fodder from this.
ionic stratus
?
lavish hollow
he said hold up
haughty flower
holds down
light prism
ionic stratus
OH! I didn't need you to convert it or anything for me.
I'm messing around with slade now. Thanks though. 😉
light prism
well you can see that for an example
ionic stratus
Gotcha.
ionic stratus
Yeah, I see the same things in the wad I just opened. Are the lumps the things like sndinfo?
light prism
yeah
any file in wad is technically a 'lump'
the root directory of a pk3 (or outside of markers in a wad) is reserved for definition stuff, which there is plenty of
DECORATE being the file for the monster definition
SNDINFO for its sounds
i added the extensions so that it can load alongside any other file of the same name
zdoom will ignore the extensions, so its a good way to break up large sections of definition text
ionic stratus
Wait, which extentions are we talking about?
light prism
in my pk3 I called it DECORATE.ZombieFodder
light prism
you can also do #include statements in decorate files
so a lot of people will have all their code related to one actor or group of actors in folders, and just have a base decorate in the root directory that includes them
ionic stratus
I was gonna ask about that. I still need to fully understand a pk3's directory structure for Doom. I don't plan on adding a bajillion new monsters or anything to start out though. I literally just needed this one for punching.
light prism
just look at my one
ionic stratus
So if I did eventually have multiple added monsters, I'd need a decorate.monstername for each one?
light prism
you can do extra stuff too, like you can put your sprites into subfolders under sprites
sprites\MyImp\Projectile
ionic stratus
OH, you can do subfolders, thank god.
light prism
it ignores anything other than the base namespace
like its pretending its a wad file that just has everything between S_ markers
ionic stratus
So if I wanted to, I could have each added monster's sounds/sprites in their own subfolders for each one.
royal wave
as long as the root folders are named correctly, doesn't matter what any other folder inside is named
ionic stratus
Oh, it'll just look through them all?
ionic stratus
Alrighty.
royal wave
in the case of text related assets it doesn't work yeah
But stuff like textures, sprites, sounds
light prism
in the base namespaces all subfolders are ignored,y es
because they are treated like wad namespaces
ionic stratus
So things like sound/zombiefodder would work.
royal wave
yes
light prism
it should, yes
ionic stratus
well, sounds with an s.
royal wave
also this doesn't matter, but Doom also ignores upper and lower case characters
light prism
in a wad file, they are not placed between any markers
they are placed under sounds\ for convenience in a pk3
royal wave
Explains why you need a sndinfo lump when you do that
light prism
welllllll no
sndinfo lets you define a 'nice name' from a lump name
it is a bit of a strange antiquity though
royal wave
I've never had a sound work correctly until I put it in the sndinfo
assuming it's not in the root directory
light prism
yes, because all calls require 'nice names'
root directory sounds should still require definition for a nicec name
royal wave
if it's in the root, I just have to use its name
ionic stratus
So, if I was using multiple creatures/weapons/etc, would it be cleaner to have individual decorate files for them in the decorate folder and use #include via a decorate file in the main folder?
Not in any hurry to do this, just want to make sure I understand the basics/what good practice is.
royal wave
Yes it would be cleaner
ionic stratus
Because I imagine having a massive lump of DECORATE.MONSTERNAMEX files would be messy as hell.
light prism
dont go crazy with it
royal wave
And you're benefiting anyone who might potentially want to use assets you made
light prism
what i do is have an Actors folder
then subcategories, Player, Monsters, Projectiles, Effects, etc
then a single DECORATE in the root folder which #includes them all
like #include "Actors/Player/QueefMarine.txt"
ionic stratus
That's kinda what I was getting at Cat. But use an Actors folder instead of Decorate?
So you just keep the decorate folder reserve for actual decorative stuff then, not actors?
light prism
you interpret too literally
DECORATE is the name of the system, it actually refers to ALL actor definitions
ionic stratus
Right.
light prism
Zscript is its successor, and allows much more complex interactions and such
but decorate is enough to start with
and the two can be converted and linked regardless
ionic stratus
Right.
light prism
do you know what a 'state machine' is?
ionic stratus
Not quite.
light prism
well its basically an instance of code that runs serially through defined states
all actors in doom are state machines
like a monster starts in its 'spawn' state and if it has a frame in that state that calls A_Look, it will jump to the 'see' state if player is seen
decorations are generally just actors with a single infinite frame in their spawn state
ionic stratus
So really, I can have the decorate files for actors anywhere as long as I #include them, right?
ionic stratus
Well yeah.
ionic stratus
Oh well right.
I was going to say, certain files have to go in certain folders no matter what, like sprites/sounds and whatnot.
light prism
well
it looks nice
but is quite cramped
and you are basically always under assault
which is fair enough i guess
or maybe you balanced it more on other skill levels, i played ultra violence
light prism
youre shitting me
red peak
No
That is Hurt me Plenty difficulty
"like it is supposed to be"
Ultraviolence is HMP with more stuff and probably unbalanced
unreal oyster
if your UV placement is unbalanced you're doing it wrong
they're difficulty levels, not fairness levels
light prism
its already kinda unbalanced
too tight for monsters to not infight most of the time
doorway dancing in ambush areas
the arachnotron got killed entirely by a chaingunner
livid hearth
That usually happens
red peak
Door camping or arachnotrons dying to chaingunners?
onyx lance
I'm out of ideas, I need ideas. For snapmap.
livid hearth
How about
a square arena with mancubi
you kill the mancubi, the arena opens up
and you fight arachnotrons
onyx lance
Snapmap. Doom 4.
light prism
ohhh ideas for snapmap?
how about
select some prefabs and join them in various ways
ornate stag
is there a way in snapmap to read out the playerscoreboard?
i think if u could read out the score of the scoreboard for a individual player u could actual save player progression between gamesessions
unborn mica
when launching GZDoomBuilder what kind of game and script configuration should I choose I dont know what to choose
actually nvm found a amazing video guide
haughty flower
UDMF is too complex for beginners.
@unborn mica Ya should at least learn Boom first.
Boom: Doom 2 (Doom format)
haughty flower
But it is complex to learn.
light prism
it literally looks the same though
no matter which mode you choose
the handling of the editor is identical
golden drum
There's also the problem of being too reliant on udmf features
It's good to learn vanilla which is univerally supported, then udmf
imho
exotic moss
what causes changing Mancubuses to break Dead Simple?
light prism
whatever you changed them to doesnt call A_BossDeath
light prism
which is the only way the map knows to lower the walls
exotic moss
thought I missed that
light prism
Dr.Bugbait: It's good to learn vanilla which is univerally supported, then udmf
where UDMF = Universal doom map format
though that term means very little considering how many dead ports there are
light prism
imo though doom's actions are annoying to use, since they incorporate their activation type and repeatability in the action
golden drum
maybe by very new source ports
but prboom, crispy, choclate, etc don't support it
neither does doomsday which people still use for some reason
true tho
about the actions
light prism
imo its a bit of a weak argument that you should start on vanilla, even though I did
the editing process doesnt force anything on you, youre free to learn at your own pace
golden drum
Indeed. In reality it's all person to person, but learning vanilla or boom first is a good way to familiarize yourself with doom mapping
obviously anybody who has experience already should map for udmf
Unless they want to attract speedrunners of/c
can anybody explain what BCS is?
I searched it up but can't find anything
golden drum
I see
light prism
prisma saddle
Radicool.
unborn mica
the tutorial I'm using for gzdoom builder isnt great at explaining how to make a basic door. Can I get some help?
shadow bone
What's going wrong? Doors are pretty straightforward
Simple version: A door is a lowered sector that raises into the ceiling. Take the sector you want to be your door, lower the ceiling to the level of the floor. You'll see missing "upper" textures, change those to the desired door texture. Change the linedef on each side to the appropriate door action. Set the activation to "player presses use"
light prism
which map format is that
royal wave
Okay the issue you're running into is that's a linedef action and not a sector action @unborn mica
unborn mica
ooohhhh
light prism
oh duh
unborn mica
ok thanks
light prism
+head slap+
unborn mica
what
royal wave
He didn't see it
light prism
i didnt notice it was sector properties and not line
royal wave
Okay this is real simple
- Give the sector a tag
- Select the lines that you want to function as a door
- Give them the door action
light prism
only tag doors that are activated by switches or otherwise not by the door lines
royal wave
(I'm trying to encourage good practice)
light prism
wasting tags is not good practice
unborn mica
thanks again ❤
royal wave
Since when has anyone run out of tags
light prism
it's not about 'running out'
its about having tag sequences
anyway the point is
you dont need to tag any door or lift or any sector-affecting action when the line is part of the sector itself
or rather, when its back side is
the only time to tag is if its disconnected and activated some other way
or if its some crazy multi-sector door structure
@unborn mica - all door actions assume the backside of the line to be the door sector, no tags necessary
unborn mica
ok got it thanks love you
light prism
what map format are you using btw?
haughty flower
it better be udmf or else u gettin a swift beating
light prism
haha
its just the instructions may vary slightly based on format
like doom has its activation types as part of the line action
UDMF does not
and has them as separate flags
unborn mica
I think its udmf
light prism
oh ok
light prism
make sure you tick 'player presses use' and 'repeatable' then
press f2
to see map settings
unborn mica
the game config is udmf
light prism
yeah k
unborn mica
cool
unborn mica
got it thanks again lol
light prism
of which there should be one on each side f the door sector
with their front faces pointing away from it
light prism
@prisma saddle
sorry i cant really be effed setting up my voice chat
i just wanna lie in bed and map
light prism
im managing fine
frosty magnet
what was i smoking while making this
not complete yet
because i'm also holding status for a Doom 2 megaWAD and also an upcoming mod to replace IB
haughty flower
IB?
haughty flower
prisma saddle
@frosty magnet not a fan of alot of the changes you did.
It just kinda makes the layout alot more, cluttered.
frosty magnet
@prisma saddle Yeah I didn't like it much either
kinda why i was gonna go back onto my weird Doom 2 megaWAD idea
@haughty flower Oh I see we're on the same book about BD too
GG
haughty flower
prisma saddle
I do get the idea of redoing the levels of the original DooM mods, but sometimes the changes made can be described as, agregious.
haughty flower
You make a mod for a mod that you don't like? I wonder what the changes were
prisma saddle
@haughty flower Mainly just adding boxes and such.
haughty flower
Was expecting it to have terrytraps or smth
prisma saddle
There's just sorta a bit too much going on in my opinion.
Something logical and lived in doesn't mean cluttered and hard to navigate.
More logic, less clutter,
Moving around in cluttered maps in DooM is pretty annoying.
lavish hollow
I actually really liked his maps tbh
haughty flower
Where can I download it?
lavish hollow
I'm all for remaking doom and making it seem more "real", the levels seem so fake tbh
@haughty flower scroll up
haughty flower
Doom didn't try being realistic with its level design tho
lavish hollow
It's just what I like
frosty magnet
here's a giant WIP megaWAD that I'm making currently
Maps 1-4 are done but need feedback
Map 5 is a clusterfuck
haughty flower
Is any advanced sourceport needed for it
light prism
does it take place underground
haughty flower
Aight
frosty magnet
@light prism the idea actually came from the Descent reboot called Descent Underground
haughty flower
How many maps are you aiming to make?
frosty magnet
The whole fucking set
haughty flower
Nice
frosty magnet
The style is gonna be like Descent
haughty flower
frosty magnet
somewhat tight corridors, extremely close and long engagements, and either lots or a shit less of space
about map 5
I was like, let's recreate that one iconic area from the lazarus labs and also add in a fuck ton of custom textures
lavish hollow
Should be great with gutawer's weird zero gravity mod
frosty magnet
the very first area in Map 01 is oh dear
inspired by Descent 3 Mercenary
Specifically Level 01
Map 02 is just a giant remake of Undergrounds. The yellow key area, I need input for that. I seriously don't know if making the player retreat back and camp while killing imps and shotgunners is a good idea or not
Map 03 is inspired by Doom 2 Map 03 and also Descent 2 The ENemy Within
04 is just a focus remake
feedback is always welcomed
speaking of which, here's my very first map
light prism
yeah these all look like highly based off the doom2 map flow
though there are new areas and diversions
frosty magnet
the map i posted recently or the weird wip wad i posted above?
light prism
the underground one
haughty flower
http://www.mediafire.com/file/9vyslxa39hdabzy here's my first wad
My second one is just a joke wad that's meant to be impossible
frosty magnet
@light prism Thanks, hopefully the other maps don't fall into the same direction XD
prisma saddle
Roomsies being, we do one room (ish) and then swap the wad.
We don't texture it because it'd take too long.
light prism
ish is right...
inner zealot
STARTAN is clearly the best texture
prisma saddle
My sense of map flow certainly isn't as good as Cats though;
prisma saddle
Yes...
frosty magnet
oh that would be a nice competition
go pick a partner and swap maps every 8 hours lmao
inner zealot
I'm down.
prisma saddle
I did add some other things though, like um,
The armour at the bottom of the sewer thing.
frosty magnet
I need to start getting a grip on GZDoom builder
Doom Builder 2 served me too well
prisma saddle
I certainly need to practice doing some maps on my own.
frosty magnet
^
inner zealot
GZ Doom Builder isn't that different, in terms of use
If you have a strong grasp of Doom Builder 2, GZDoom Builder shouldn't take more than a couple minutes to get used to
frosty magnet
oh yay
light prism
hihi
haughty flower
inner zealot
@ionic stratus Progress is slow as always.
The project isn't dead, I'm just lazy as all fuck.
Wait, why did I defensive...
Eh, whatever
light prism
oh zavus did you check my update
inner zealot
Point is, I'll exhibit long periods of silence which may or may not result in progress.
I haven't yet
light prism
+runs into bedroom crying and slams dooor+
inner zealot
Because I haven't been on my computer at all
It's not that I'm ignoring your stuff
I just haven't been on the thing
I'm rearranging at the moment
Kinda
light prism
rearrange your spine
prisma saddle
@light prism
prisma saddle
@light prism Tried putting in ladders but couldn't figure out how to get them to work.
Oops wrong map
Probably going to call it for now.
light prism
yeah we can continue tomorrow
shadow bone
@rugged shore
Depends on how you're doing the skybox.
Classic Doom style?
Or an actual skybox?
rugged shore
classic doom style
shadow bone
Then you want to put the texture as F_SKY1
That's a special texture that tells the engine "replace me with the skybox"
The choice of the texture projected as the sky is set in a MAPINFO map definition with the sky1 and, optionally, sky2 properties.
shadow bone
Depends on which IWAD you're using. I think there's 3 or 4 different skys in each.
rugged shore
i use doom2
shadow bone
As noted above, you can use MAPINFO to specify which sky texture should be used.
Or ChangeSky in ACS
I think the actual textures (not the placeholder) are simply called sky1, sky2, etc
Obviously you could include your own custom skies if you like
rugged shore
how can i make my own custom sky then
like how can i make that pic
a skybox for this wad
shadow bone
use MAPINFO. There's a sky property you can set per-map.
Or just name your replacement graphic the same as the one you want to replace.
lavish hollow
make a txt file called mapinfo
shadow bone
Are you using .pk3 or .wad?
Nevermind it's really the same
You're going to put a new "lump" (file) in the root of the wad/pk3 and call it MAPINFO
And read the MAPINFO page on the ZDoom wiki
(I assume you're using GZDoom)
shadow bone
Look at the bottom of this page for an example of how a MAPINFO map defintion should look
your MAPINFO is a plain text lump outside of any of your wad "markers"
rugged shore
ahh
makes sense
also how am i going to put the mapinfo file in the wad
by using slade?
shadow bone
Yes
rugged shore
ah
also i have a weird question
it's about the music
where should i get these midis for wads
shadow bone
Anywhere really. The internet is full of midi dumps
rugged shore
ah
should i remove this
since i'm not planning to do any of those map skip secrets
shadow bone
your map definitions should only have the things you plan on using or changing
ripe lava
just real quick, how would i make weapons/projectiles do exact damage? EX: all classes have exactly 10hp, i want a weapon to do exactly 1 damage when it hits, rn it looks like the engine is adding random ammounts of damage onto the hit, i tried using damage factor or w/e and i couldnt get it to work
lavish hollow
someine correct me if i'm wrong but i think if you put the damage in brackets, it'll be that number
ex: [6]
unreal oyster
normal brackets, but you've got the right idea
if it's in brackets, gzdoom treats it as an expression and allows you to write your own custom damage formulas
unless you're in zscript, in which case that system got renamed to DamageFunction
ripe lava
awesome thanks, ill try that
light prism
don't direct damage values also completely ignore armor
ripe lava
SC_GetNumber: Bad numeric constant "(1)".
alright, that makes me run into this issue, im running in zandronum 3.0 and the actual code looks like this Damage(1)
im not concerned with armor, im not really using it
light prism
not sure if it works in the property, it definitely works if used in a call with a damage parameter
like A_FireBullets
ripe lava
hmmm, most of my attacks are projectile based, a few melee attacks but mostly projectile
nvm, figured it out
prisma saddle
I did a WAD
light prism
ill have a look when im home
unreal oyster
sectors don't have those pegs, if you're referring to the pegs on lines, you hover over them and press F
light prism
uhh
those flag boxes should not show the 'box'
that means one of those lines does NOT have the flags enabled
either that or you have an extra line collected
light prism
select the one that definitely has the flags enabled
unreal oyster
what he means is that while you have the door action on both sides, only one of the lines has the identification flags to make it work on both sides
unborn mica
deselct everything
light prism
ctrl-shift-C (copies all its properties)
HOVER the other door line
ctrl-shift-V (paste properties)
unborn mica
so it should work
unborn mica
nope didnt work
light prism
if those sectors to the left and right of the door have their ceilings lowered to the floor, then no, the door wont work as intended
unborn mica
rip
light prism
if they are meant to just be walls, delete them entirely
light prism
then why are they sectors
unreal oyster
then delete the sectors - sectors serving as walls simply make things more difficult
unborn mica
got it
unreal oyster
doors always raise to the lowest adjacent ceiling
so if the lowest adjacent ceiling is on the floor, it doesn't move
light prism
well technically it TRIES to move
it should make the door opening sound
actually it succeeds in moving - moving up by 0 units
unborn mica
broken?
light prism
looks correct
unborn mica
the pegs went back
light prism
oh flip em in linedef mode
unborn mica
got it thanks
light prism
btw 'peg' has a different definition in doom
unreal oyster
nah, TMC, it wouldn't make the noise like that, at least not in zdoom
light prism
oh?
unreal oyster
i've just tested it
unborn mica
still doesnt open lul
unborn mica
light prism
looks correct, line doesnt need a tag number though
shouldnt stop it from opening, is just unnecessary
light prism
ensure the ceiling heights around it are higher than it
actually switch to sector mode and show me the sector properties of the door
haughty flower
You don't need to give the lines a tag
light prism
yes, i mentioned that
haughty flower
o
unborn mica
light prism
however that shouldnt stop the door from working
haughty flower
light prism
you mean in 'effects' on the sector?
light prism
that... shouldnt have worked
considering there are no 'door effects'
sector effects are lighting/light phases, damage, and pushing/wind
light prism
regardless, having an effect in the door sector shouldnt prevent it from opening via line actions
prisma saddle
Updates to the thingamagigs.
light prism
i hope it refines imps
like they drop into a funnel and come out on a conveyor belt wearing the top hat and monocle and holding a teacup
weak lodge
made a e1m8, any thoughts?
haughty flower
@weak lodge does it replace the e1m8 map slot for Doom 1?
weak lodge
yeah
weak lodge
nope
light prism
ah man
i think my gpu died
fan is spinning but it wont output anything
yeah it wont do shit
oh well.. no hardware acceleration til i get a new pc 😦
frosty magnet
For map 05
I decided that I should remove the lazarus inspired area
*of my wad thingy
any good ideas of what to have there as a replacement?
Map is a bit of a mix with Doom 2's Map 05 : The Waste Tunnels and also a mix of a military HQ
light prism
A rock.
frosty magnet
oh
railroad
with a rock blockading it
not a bad idea actually
ok really dumb question
but
is there any big difference between Doom 2 format and Boom format
because I don't see any other than extra features
haughty flower
Boom is less limited but still manages to feel like vanilla Doom
haughty flower
Yup
There are some awesome tricks Boom can do
And like with every other format, you just need to learn its tricks
haughty flower
Doom isn't 3D tho
haughty flower
One wad that abuses every single Boom trick is "Going Down"
Check it out at least on the editor
light prism
texture pack for joo
lavish hollow
I'm catholic, can I still use
light prism
joo gaiz
lavish hollow
You fucking sexist, women can't download your texture pack?
light prism
please take it to #sjw_paradise
lavish hollow
Please take it to #themissesdog
frosty magnet
gotta love texture packs :3
I got seriously bamboozled
B A M B O O Z L E D I T E L L Y O U
frosty magnet
need some help
here's the issue
for me
these sectors and linedefs dont exist
and i removed the textures
but on startup
there were no errors so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
any ideas for solutions?
haughty flower
You're saying these textures aren't actually in the wad?
frosty magnet
yes
i just removed them as of 5 hours ago
also removed the PNAMES and the TEXTURE1 file along with them
and I put in new textures and generated a new PNAMES and TEXTURE1 lump
haughty flower
Shit I think I have an idea but I'm not in my PC rn
frosty magnet
oh my god, if you do have a solution, then you are a godsend
haughty flower
Did you replace the textures tho?
haughty flower
Yeah
frosty magnet
from the map
i think i did
along with the sectors that had them
a bigger issue is that, in the WAD I just posted (in map 05), there is no sector 510
and it says there's an error with a missing texture there
haughty flower
Yeah I can't help you rn
frosty magnet
RIP
light prism
what
haughty flower
Scroll up a lil bit
frosty magnet
TLDR: I removed old textures and the respectable PNAMES and TEXTURE1 lump and replaced it with a new one
light prism
do you not know how to find and remove these textures?
frosty magnet
whlie also deleting the old sectors with those textures
light prism
but those textures are still being used on the map, that is the point of the error
haughty flower
I'm sure there's a tool in GZDoom Builder that automatically detects unused textures
light prism
just find and remove the usage
frosty magnet
wait the bigger problem is
light prism
yes, there is a find and replace mode, and error checking modes
frosty magnet
in the screenshot
it says there's a sector 510
there isn't after i deleted it
and it says there's an error there
wtf lmao
frosty magnet
yes
haughty flower
Then there's a sector 510 but you don't know that
light prism
you didn't like, delete the vertices
haughty flower
light prism
as long as you deleted the sector in sector mode
light prism
press f4
haughty flower
This tool here helps you find unused textures around the map
And some other stuff
frosty magnet
lmao im using doom builder 2 but eh
checked the whole thing
nothing about a sector 510
also tried to search for the sector via finding it by tag
haughty flower
Why Doom Builder 2 tho?
frosty magnet
nothing also
light prism
fix those other problems
use make sector mode (M) to fix unclosed sectors
get rid of all the other errors before you worry about this
frosty magnet
on it
prisma saddle
Cattex,wad?
Oh wait
Found it
I mean, El Jefe's bathroom does look like that, so.
frosty magnet
aight i fixed the errors
*somewhat
welp
no more errors regarding a nonexistent sector 510
XD
@light prism thanks :3
OK there we go
sorry if i upload too much XD
but yeah
it got fixed :3
haughty flower
frosty magnet
BTW, need feedback: how's the monster placement and also the weapon/ammo/health placement?
*for maps 1 -> 4
5 is a WIP and I'm probably gonna do something heavy to it
elfin ruin
Purposefully terrible map based on discussion in another Doom-related discord.. It can be beat.
haughty flower
reference to mock2?
rugged shore
i have a problem in gzdoom builder
ok so i test a map
i choose doom 2 to load it
and it takes like a minute to load for some reason
and it loads tnt for some reason
rugged shore
help
like i try to test my map and it's not responding
and it took like 3 minutes to load that map
and even tho it says that it's starting up doom 2
it starts up this
i never had that problem in doom builder 2
red peak
Whole lotta brown.
@rugged shore Check your loading options for odd things. Maybe you set the wrong iwad or something.
rugged shore
okay
lavish hollow
@red peak whole lotta woman
umbral sail
rugged shore
i think i'll go back to doom builder 2 because it's easier for me
well time to die for saying that
light prism
go back to DeeP
shadow bone
GZDB-BF is exactly the same as Doom Builder 2. You probably have your configuration files set up wrong.
frosty magnet
another dumb question by me
does it really matter if I don't add the "multiplayer" tag onto the player deathmatch start (along with the player 2, 3, and 4 start)?
or does it matter and it has to do something with bots?
golden drum
No clue but imo you're prolly better off leaving it on
oh ye also I'm playing your map and none of your door traks are unpegged.
also you've got a lighting error in map02
strobing room with a lit up sector that is your table and chair in there
golden drum
ayy @frosty magnet Is the arrow room in map03 unfinished or am I just retarded and can't figure out how to go
frosty magnet
*also IDK but for me, I prefer my door track textures unpegged
its just personal preference but thanks for the heads up XD
golden drum
There are some pillars. It almost looks like a weird metal church with no chairs
frosty magnet
oh yeah
golden drum
and there's an arrow shaped floor that lowers when you walk to it
frosty magnet
actually
could u screenshot it?
OH
that area nvm
@golden drum Just think of the area as Wormhole from TNT Evilution (somewhat)
golden drum
thank god, my internet sucks so bad
frosty magnet
yeah just pretend its wormhole
and spoiler, but you'll find a shit ton of computers and the red key is hidden behind a bunch of boxes
@golden drum Thanks for the feedback btw
will fix map 02 😛
You know, I like this group
might use it a lot for when I need help with mapping
golden drum
Same
frosty magnet
came up with this thing for Map 05
Also for Map 05, I extended the pipeline with a few more secrets and what not
frosty magnet
Oh better idea
A broken railway with a rock in front of one end and the other end with a goddamn flood that leads you to the sewers
Keeping Doom 2 map themes while also integrating some other ideas
golden drum
ay
golden drum
a few days plus how much before?
frosty magnet
Kinda good with DECORATE 2.0 and below, and also ACS
oh um
i forgot lmao
but welp its back online
the mapset was made because compared to anything else
I loved Boom compatible maps more than zdoom and gzdoom compatible
golden drum
so do you actually have 30 maps or...>?
frosty magnet
nope i got 25 more maps to make 😐
make it 27 if i want to recreate the wolfenstein levels
golden drum
lol
golden drum
I feel like we should all make a megawad. "all" being the people in this channel
golden drum
and also do you know a good source port on the play store?
frosty magnet
for Doom?
golden drum
ye
frosty magnet
not at all sadly
golden drum
sad
frosty magnet
the only one i could think of is the one on amazon
which is Doom Touch
They're coming out with Delta Touch as a beta, I think
golden drum
The map-mod-dev master levels
frosty magnet
I would be down to make a Zan3.0 compatible mapset, not a GZDoom 2.2.0+ compatible mapset
EH
lmao
golden drum
kk
Ye I think we should use a format with not too many restrictions
but keep acs-heavy stuff to a low
or atleast no acs things that really stick out, like scripted puzzles
then there will be alot of puzzles mixed in with next to no puzzles
frosty magnet
Damn, means i gotta start using GZDoom Builder now XD
golden drum
lol
frosty magnet
I'm down nonetheless though
golden drum
bruh gzdoom builder is legit
frosty magnet
oh yeah
golden drum
kk make sure to download chex quest
frosty magnet
O
frosty magnet
we gotta wait for the others to respond lmao, hopefully they'd also be down
golden drum
ikr
That would be lit af
also A name change is in order as well
and this
Very WIP. Only the first map is done, but it still needs changes
lol
completely out of order
Alrighty one sec
VERY WIP
And this
Also a name change is in order
That's the order I intended
use mouselook
vanilla compatible
frosty magnet
checking it out rn
frosty magnet
R I P
golden drum
lol
turns out I somehow flipped the linedef the switch was on
one sec
Might convert it to boom tbh
cThere
actually this WAD I'm making will prolly only be like 8 maps
so really I could just fix up these maps for zandronum format and have them be ppart of the megawad
frosty magnet
i didnt sadly
first time running i dont usually look for secrets cuz i always get familiarized with the map before giving it another run on a harder difficulty or for secrets
golden drum
Kk
same usually
I think checking every nook and cranny in a map when you don't have to often takes away from the enjoyability of the map
Know what I mean?
haughty flower
how the fuck do I do that platforming
haughty flower
just realized the one I was supposed to jump at was really the one right in front of me lol I couldn't see it
golden drum
lol
haughty flower
just beat map01
golden drum
Map02 has basically nothing atm
golden drum
Same. It's some unused music that romero released
haughty flower
it sounds like, a mashup of e2m1, e1m1 and some others I don't remember
golden drum
It's an earlier version of e2m1
you see, e2m1's music is a heavily modified version of the instrumental to AC/DC's Big Gun
That midi is sort-of the mid-way point between big gun and e2m1
golden drum
Yeah I was wondering about that. Does the old format of mapinfo work with more ports than the new mapinfo format?
haughty flower
well going down uses the old mapinfo format and it works perfectly on the latest version of GZDoom
well idk you should probably go with zmapinfo
golden drum
What other modern ports do people use
or does nobody really use eternity and edge and what not
haughty flower
idk I barely ever hear about Eternity and Edge
light prism
gzdoom is the only actively maintained port other than zandro really
and zandro is just a multiplayer version of that
golden drum
I see
light prism
imo there's no real reason to bother with other ports
unless your pc just plain doesnt run gzdoom
(or if you have been masterbanned from the zandro servers)
golden drum
Well even then, software-rendered it can be ran with a potato
light prism
you kiddles today dont even know what a potato is
golden drum
A very modern potato that is