#classic-doom-maps-mods | DOOM | Page 67

zinc egret Nov 3, 2017, 10:01 PM

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How to properly make "distant" sounds

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Make them sound muffled in the distance using $rolloff ?

dusk flare Nov 3, 2017, 10:47 PM

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muffled ayy lmao in the distance

vocal crypt Nov 3, 2017, 10:51 PM

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oh yeah

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my sound mixing problem

zinc egret Nov 3, 2017, 11:32 PM

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I decided to use a low pass filter and lower the volume but don't know how to associate distant zombieman shot from a normal one

vocal crypt Nov 3, 2017, 11:33 PM

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doesn't the volume for the gunshots lower until you can't hear it at all in vanilla?

zinc egret Nov 3, 2017, 11:34 PM

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Yes, instead of that I'd like to hear distant sounds instead of silence

vocal crypt Nov 3, 2017, 11:34 PM

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oh

zinc egret Nov 3, 2017, 11:34 PM

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As seen in the new Brutal Doom v21 beta(?)

vocal crypt Nov 3, 2017, 11:36 PM

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open beta

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but yes

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beta

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meanwhile I'm debating over using new puff sprites or keep downsizing them

vocal crypt Nov 3, 2017, 11:54 PM

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and I'm debating about upscaling the minigun sprites

zinc egret Nov 3, 2017, 11:55 PM

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I just used some assets from it for my RDND mod

vocal crypt Nov 3, 2017, 11:57 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdNrhgt90sE I need to add sparks, upscale the sprite, and change the sound to something that gives it more of an "umph"

YouTube

Yes Man

Mann vs Demonn Minigun Fixed Sound

▶ Play video

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and add sounds to the puff

zinc egret Nov 3, 2017, 11:58 PM

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Sounds like editing the actor for the ricochet and/or puff

vocal crypt Nov 3, 2017, 11:58 PM

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The puff yes

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but uh

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eh

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don't know of anything else.

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oh

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the casings

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They aren't spewing out like I want em to br

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*be

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well this is funny

📎 Screenshot_Doom_20171103_190615.png

zinc egret Nov 4, 2017, 12:08 AM

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Microhands

vocal crypt Nov 4, 2017, 12:08 AM

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JESUS CHRIST

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doing 0.5 makes it bigger

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like

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way fucking bigger

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ugh

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wrong context it sounds weird.

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SLADE 3 also reads them and offers a visual texture editor. in regards to TEXTURES

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is there a way to read such textures with the edits

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or

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look at them rather

vocal crypt Nov 4, 2017, 1:24 AM

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looking at the projectiles for the Brutal Doom 64 plasma rifle, it looks like models more than sprites

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that or the angle

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if it's sprites

light prism Nov 4, 2017, 11:49 AM

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@vocal crypt in TEXTURES scale is inverse, yes

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0.5 = 200%

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2 = 50%

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actor scale is regular

vocal crypt Nov 4, 2017, 4:48 PM

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my map problems seem to be the map design itself

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the theme I seem to like is some castle thing

haughty flower Nov 4, 2017, 4:48 PM

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there aren't many doom maps on UDMF format, most of them are terrywads lol

royal wave Nov 4, 2017, 4:49 PM

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cough

unreal oyster Nov 4, 2017, 4:49 PM

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aren't terrywads mostly hexen format

haughty flower Nov 4, 2017, 4:49 PM

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nope

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not anymore

unreal oyster Nov 4, 2017, 4:49 PM

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they kinda died before UDMF became a thing

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fell out of any relevancy, that is

haughty flower Nov 4, 2017, 4:49 PM

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B4NM is a 32-map terrywad that uses UDMF

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terrywads aren't relevant anymore? I still see many doomworld wussies crying over them

vocal crypt Nov 4, 2017, 4:50 PM

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probably doesn't help /idgames(?) automatically sorts them in terrywad category

unreal oyster Nov 4, 2017, 4:50 PM

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they really aren't because idgames seperates them now

haughty flower Nov 4, 2017, 4:50 PM

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yeah

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even though they have their own category, people still hate them

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goes into /terrywads > plays terrywad > oh wtf it's a terrywad? > 0/5

unreal oyster Nov 4, 2017, 4:50 PM

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i wouldn't say i hate them, i just feel that it's a waste of effort

vocal crypt Nov 4, 2017, 4:51 PM

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and the good parts are wasted potential

unreal oyster Nov 4, 2017, 4:51 PM

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the people making them clearly know how to map, why not use it to actually y'know

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make a good map

vocal crypt Nov 4, 2017, 4:51 PM

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because trolls

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and being a daft cunt

haughty flower Nov 4, 2017, 4:51 PM

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they had 9 guys work on B4NM

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i wouldn't say it's a waste of effort, I find them pretty funny

vocal crypt Nov 4, 2017, 4:52 PM

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I don't like your sense of humour then

haughty flower Nov 4, 2017, 4:52 PM

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they are solely made to piss off the people who don't like them

unreal oyster Nov 4, 2017, 4:52 PM

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i mean if you enjoy rape jokes then i guess

vocal crypt Nov 4, 2017, 4:52 PM

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wait

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Boom format

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uhm

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I think I'm only seeing Doom, Hexen, UDMF format...?

unreal oyster Nov 4, 2017, 4:53 PM

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well, Boom isn't a format

vocal crypt Nov 4, 2017, 4:53 PM

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I know it's a source port

haughty flower Nov 4, 2017, 4:53 PM

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Boom: Doom format (Doom 2)

unreal oyster Nov 4, 2017, 4:53 PM

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Doom format is the format, Boom is an extension set

haughty flower Nov 4, 2017, 4:53 PM

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yeah

vocal crypt Nov 4, 2017, 4:54 PM

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eh

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I might start with a generic tech theme

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my real problem

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is the fucking layout man

haughty flower Nov 4, 2017, 4:55 PM

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map design

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yeah

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it's hard to make a good one, I often sketch my ideas

vocal crypt Nov 4, 2017, 4:55 PM

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can't sketch over here

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lines aren't even fucking straight without a ruler

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that might be because of my left-handed ness

haughty flower Nov 4, 2017, 4:55 PM

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then use a ruler mang, don't make excuses

vocal crypt Nov 4, 2017, 4:55 PM

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which means I'll die before right handed ones

haughty flower Nov 4, 2017, 4:57 PM

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same

vocal crypt Nov 4, 2017, 5:00 PM

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wait

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isn't there a tool to make a door or somethin

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or am I remembering wrong

round umbra Nov 4, 2017, 5:01 PM

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📎 asd.png

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this?

vocal crypt Nov 4, 2017, 5:01 PM

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where is that

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oh

round umbra Nov 4, 2017, 5:01 PM

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select sector mode and then it should appear on the top of the Builder

vocal crypt Nov 4, 2017, 5:01 PM

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I see it

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are replacing sounds a thing Doom format can do

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or allows

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not in DB

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but

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like Slade or somethin

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what

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Texture Offsets can't be changed

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wtf

round umbra Nov 4, 2017, 5:09 PM

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I think you can replace sounds
What texture offsets cannot be changed?

vocal crypt Nov 4, 2017, 5:10 PM

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floor ceiling texture ones apparently

round umbra Nov 4, 2017, 5:10 PM

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you can only do that in UDMF

haughty flower Nov 4, 2017, 5:13 PM

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You can replace sounds

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and add enemies

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I recommend you guys on playing Deus Vult II, it 'pushes the limits' of the Boom format

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Nah, actually it only uses it to its fullest

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EPIC.wad somehow manages to make deep-water sectors

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that are boom-compatible

unreal oyster Nov 4, 2017, 5:18 PM

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boom has deep water built in as a feature

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it's part of transfer heights iirc

haughty flower Nov 4, 2017, 5:19 PM

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yeah but you can actually swim on it

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yeah it's the transfer heights thingy

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friction

royal wave Nov 4, 2017, 5:39 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tzr1p6hgQTg

YouTube

DeXiaZ Fantom

DOOT - Trailer [Doom mod]

Download: http://www.moddb.com/mods/doot-tc Ok, DooD, DooW, now it's time for DooT. Play as Spooky Scary Skeleton with Trumpet as weapon of mass destruction....

▶ Play video

dusk flare Nov 4, 2017, 5:39 PM

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📎 2466tlf.gif

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Y E S

round umbra Nov 4, 2017, 5:39 PM

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@royal wave you should've put some trigger warning, I almost got a heart attack as it's 2spooky

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also, it's similiar to this:

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https://youtu.be/8aJjMOy-Ops

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Linguica

Doom Rickroller

Doom weapon that Rickrolls enemies to death. If you don't know what that means, be glad. Sadly I did not create this, it was created by "Kinsie" on the ZDoom...

▶ Play video

vocal crypt Nov 4, 2017, 5:48 PM

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is there a way to get a line to open a door by walkin over it

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in Doom format

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trying to do it via tag thing, don't think I can.

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wait

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apparently it doesn't get pissy with tags having the same numb?

round umbra Nov 4, 2017, 5:55 PM

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I don't know if you've figured it out, but:

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📎 unknown.png

vocal crypt Nov 4, 2017, 5:55 PM

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I did, hence me asking it doesn't get pissy with tags having the same numb?

round umbra Nov 4, 2017, 5:55 PM

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oh, okay, i are retard

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the only thing I can think of, since in Doom format you cannot set tags to line, the tag on the line is actually the "look for sector with this tag"

unreal oyster Nov 4, 2017, 5:59 PM

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it is

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Tag in doom format for lines means the special's tag

vocal crypt Nov 4, 2017, 5:59 PM

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oh, so it's just the activator, somewhat.

haughty flower Nov 4, 2017, 6:39 PM

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yo, here's a trick

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you can actually have multiple player 1 starts in a map

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and have them walk over multiple linedefs to activate multiple events very quickly

round umbra Nov 4, 2017, 6:45 PM

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a.k.a voodoo dolls

haughty flower Nov 4, 2017, 6:45 PM

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yeah

zinc egret Nov 4, 2017, 9:26 PM

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Here's a current WIP of RDND changelog so far:

1.62 - November 2017
-New Mancubus death
-New Commando death
-New Imp death
-Zombiemman rifle sound added
-Arch-vile attack explosion sound added
-Revenant fireball impact sound added

haughty flower Nov 4, 2017, 9:26 PM

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what's RDND?

zinc egret Nov 4, 2017, 9:27 PM

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http://www.moddb.com/games/doom/addons/random-deaths-and-decoration-15-final/

Mod DB

Random Deaths and Decoration 1.6 addon - Doom

Gameplay mod which mixes up the deaths of monsters so it is not the same one every single time. Also mixes up some of the gore/corpse decorations so they are random in each playthrough, not to mention this does not touch player weapons at all so use...

haughty flower Nov 4, 2017, 9:27 PM

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i'll check it out

zinc egret Nov 4, 2017, 9:27 PM

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It's essentially my baby I've worked on and off since April of 2014

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I'm trying to replace the word "Options" when you go to Options in ZDoom/Zandronum/GZDoom but I don't know which graphic lump it is. I'm already using replacements for M_OPTION and M_OPTTTL but it doesn't help.

fresh arch Nov 4, 2017, 9:59 PM

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hmmm

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i wonder what i feel like mapping

median sable Nov 4, 2017, 11:12 PM

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mapping feels kool

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bt it's complicated for me

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i cant even make a door

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or a lift

vocal crypt Nov 4, 2017, 11:13 PM

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Layouts are a PITA for me

haughty flower Nov 4, 2017, 11:16 PM

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zdoom.org/wiki/ helps

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And yeah it's hard to come up with decent map designs

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Play some wads for that, heuh

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But only the good ones

fresh arch Nov 5, 2017, 3:37 AM

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i dunno i play terrywads almost exclusively these days

haughty flower Nov 5, 2017, 3:38 AM

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Talking about terrywads, I'm working on one with my friend actually

inner fulcrum Nov 5, 2017, 5:11 AM

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BRIGHTMAPS for the Mancubus Claus in Xmas wad I've been polishing

📎 Screenshot_Doom_20171104_220738.png

fresh arch Nov 5, 2017, 5:14 AM

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Okay, I'm happy with this building for now until i find a better stucco texture, moving on to the next

📎 Screenshot_Doom_20171105_011328.png

light prism Nov 5, 2017, 5:15 AM

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nice

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make it a porno vid shop

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with a poster in the window: 'Just in: Debbie Does Phobos'

pearl sundial Nov 5, 2017, 5:17 AM

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oh no

light prism Nov 5, 2017, 8:24 AM

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hrm

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trying to use A_Overlay with PSPF_FLIP / MIRROR

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not seeming to work

young mesa Nov 5, 2017, 2:27 PM

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What's the best/easiest way to make midis (for doom btw) without any actual instrument ?

median sable Nov 5, 2017, 2:28 PM

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idk

round umbra Nov 5, 2017, 2:40 PM

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@young mesa try Anvil Studio (Free version)

young mesa Nov 5, 2017, 2:40 PM

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doesn't really tell me what to do with it

unreal oyster Nov 5, 2017, 2:41 PM

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anvil studio isn't that good, imo

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sekaiju or aria maestosa are good

round umbra Nov 5, 2017, 2:41 PM

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but are those freeware?

young mesa Nov 5, 2017, 2:41 PM

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is FLstudio a good idea ?

unreal oyster Nov 5, 2017, 2:41 PM

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yes

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the problem with using FLStudio is that you ideally need a soundfont player so you know what it's going to sound like as a MIDI file

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which is fine but it's a lot more effort for the same goal

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if you're comfortable with working in FL Studio, though, do that

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when it comes down to it you're going to make music fastest in the program you're comfortable in

young mesa Nov 5, 2017, 2:43 PM

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Thing is : I'm not comfortable with any program. The only one I ever used is FL studio, but i still dunno shit about it

round umbra Nov 5, 2017, 2:44 PM

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then look up tutorial videos

unreal oyster Nov 5, 2017, 2:57 PM

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well then i'd suggest you use a dedicated midi program

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like i previously said, i like sekaiju and aria maestosa (though sekaiju has some really annoying bugs that seem to only affect me)

young mesa Nov 5, 2017, 4:19 PM

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and I have no idea how to make those softwares use doom sounds

shadow bone Nov 5, 2017, 4:26 PM

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The point is you need to start somewhere. If you have no idea how to use a midi program, then learn that first regardless of if it sounds like Doom or not

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There's no shortcut between "no digital music experience" and "writing a song for Doom"

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Grab Anvil or FL Studio or Sekaiju or Aria and just learn how it works first

unreal oyster Nov 5, 2017, 4:46 PM

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[4:19 PM] λxool: and I have no idea how to make those softwares use doom sounds that's not really a thing

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midi uses whatever midi driver the program is configured to use

median sable Nov 5, 2017, 4:46 PM

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i make midi

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like

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real midi

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piano midi

unreal oyster Nov 5, 2017, 4:47 PM

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in newer versions of gzdoom, that's fluidsynth with the sc-55 soundfont

young mesa Nov 5, 2017, 4:57 PM

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I (kinda) know how midids work, but if I write a midi I'd like to know how it will sound in the game, u know
I don't wanna spend 5 hours on a midi then realise it sounds like shit in-game

vocal crypt Nov 5, 2017, 5:37 PM

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damn

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I think I'm stuck on some weird dead end with my mod

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that or too lazy to touch up the minigun

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ugh

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zis sound mixing.

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now fucking SLADE doesn't play audio files fsfr

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aw not this shit

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Zandronum be in the fucking lower right corner a bit

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aw come on wtf

📎 Screenshot_Doom_20171105_114928.png

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can't even get it to the center of the screen without the sprite being cut off somehow

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also, did not know Zandronum could screencap the Gefore thing

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*Geforce

haughty flower Nov 5, 2017, 5:50 PM

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kek

light prism Nov 5, 2017, 6:13 PM

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@vocal crypt wtf

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are you using automatic offsets

vocal crypt Nov 5, 2017, 6:14 PM

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sprite MNGGB0, 124, 71 { XScale 0.8 YScale 0.8 patch MNGGB0, 55, 0 }
sprite MNGFA0, 96, 23  { XScale 0.8 YScale 0.8 patch MNGFA0, 55, 0 }
sprite MNGFB0, 96, 23  { XScale 0.8 YScale 0.8 patch MNGFB0, 55, 0 }``` this is what I'm using.

light prism Nov 5, 2017, 6:16 PM

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oh you're doing it with TEXTURES, then yes

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it will be cut off because your defined size is smaller than the actual patch size

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the first X, Y coords should be the size of the original sprite

vocal crypt Nov 5, 2017, 6:16 PM

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Slade says it's 124x21

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or is that not the actual sprite size

light prism Nov 5, 2017, 6:17 PM

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you can check in file explorer

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file details should contain dimensions

vocal crypt Nov 5, 2017, 6:20 PM

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Yeah, it's 124x71

light prism Nov 5, 2017, 6:20 PM

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hmm

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you are scaling it up but the xscale/yscale should process the whole canvas size, not cut off like that

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you could try making the canvas size bigger (change the first dimensions)

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oh im a dumb

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sorry

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its not that

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the second set of x/y coords is the patches ORIGIN

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from its upper left corner

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so because you have that set to 55, 0 the image doesnt start drawing til almost halfway across the actual canvas

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thats why its cut off

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to give it an offset of 55,0 you need to add 'offset 55, 0' to the textures properties

vocal crypt Nov 5, 2017, 6:22 PM

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oh

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shit, do I do it inside the brackets

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the offset thing

light prism Nov 5, 2017, 6:24 PM

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texture blah, 128, 64 { offset 32, 32 XScale 0.5 YScale 0.5 patch BLAH, 0, 0 }

vocal crypt Nov 5, 2017, 6:28 PM

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welp it's fixed

light prism Nov 5, 2017, 6:29 PM

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gj

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now you can mess with offsets to get it positioned right

vocal crypt Nov 5, 2017, 6:30 PM

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yeah that's what I meant.

light prism Nov 5, 2017, 6:31 PM

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gj

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now you can smoke weed errday

vocal crypt Nov 5, 2017, 6:31 PM

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I don't smoke

light prism Nov 5, 2017, 6:31 PM

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worktime

vocal crypt Nov 5, 2017, 6:42 PM

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https://youtu.be/MU5SlEfJ1ss sorry for the terrible audio quality, it's either Geforce Experience or Youtube isn't done processing it or something

YouTube

Yes Man

Minigun Thing

▶ Play video

young mesa Nov 5, 2017, 7:11 PM

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question about midimaking again
so I'm using fl studio and managed to export a simple mid
When I have to choose an instrument, I can't find any percussion in the list
I have no idea how to put percussions in my midi
(it's my only problem, everything else is fine)

light prism Nov 5, 2017, 8:30 PM

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percussion is generally put on channel 10

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if you modify channel 10's instrument you will find it is a list of drumset choices rather than the standard midi instrment list

young mesa Nov 5, 2017, 8:38 PM

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thanks !

light prism Nov 5, 2017, 8:42 PM

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no problem

haughty flower Nov 5, 2017, 10:06 PM

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Is there a better way to make this sort of window without using triangular sectors with height-assigned vertices (The methood that was used below)?

📎 unknown.png

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📎 unknown.png

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3d slopes probably

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dunno

young mesa Nov 5, 2017, 10:09 PM

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how tf did you do that
wait nvm

unreal oyster Nov 5, 2017, 10:12 PM

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no, there isn't a better way

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what's wrong with that way?

vocal crypt Nov 5, 2017, 10:13 PM

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what is he wwanting anyway

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@haughty flower can you have some image of what chu want

haughty flower Nov 5, 2017, 10:15 PM

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All I'm really trying to do is create a hexagonal window.

fresh arch Nov 5, 2017, 10:27 PM

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slopes for sure

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easier than using translated sectors

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in gzdoom its one of the tabs when right clicking sectors

haughty flower Nov 5, 2017, 10:28 PM

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(i'm using slade, not gzdb)

fresh arch Nov 5, 2017, 10:28 PM

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be advised this is not boom compatable (to the extent you care about this)

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@haughty flower have you considered not using slade anymore?

haughty flower Nov 5, 2017, 10:30 PM

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i don't see why i should stop, gzdb has weird keybinds that take an hour to change

fresh arch Nov 5, 2017, 10:30 PM

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at least gzdb is still being supported and updated

haughty flower Nov 5, 2017, 10:31 PM

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not looking to start a flamewar, but slade is also still getting some support

📎 unknown.png

fresh arch Nov 5, 2017, 10:31 PM

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okay i'll stop now, youre right

haughty flower Nov 5, 2017, 10:32 PM

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(but not a lot of supp though)

fresh arch Nov 5, 2017, 10:32 PM

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i'm just saying, keybinds aside gzdb is pretty great

unreal oyster Nov 5, 2017, 10:36 PM

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i'd really only use slade as a map editor if i had no other choice

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i'm used to GZDB's controls and it supports way more UDMF features

light prism Nov 6, 2017, 12:04 AM

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gzdb is the best

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using anything else is either contrarian or if you just plain can't run it under your os

haughty flower Nov 6, 2017, 12:04 AM

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There's people that still use Doom Builder 2

light prism Nov 6, 2017, 12:05 AM

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for what reason

haughty flower Nov 6, 2017, 12:05 AM

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Idk

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Maybe they just don't know about the existence of GZDB

vocal crypt Nov 6, 2017, 12:05 AM

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prob

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or they have a craptop

haughty flower Nov 6, 2017, 12:06 AM

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You're not a real Doomer if you don't play Doom on a DOS

light prism Nov 6, 2017, 12:06 AM

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i have a craptop and i can use gzdb

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oh so vanilla purists

haughty flower Nov 6, 2017, 12:06 AM

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doomguy_profile_l

fresh arch Nov 6, 2017, 12:07 AM

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quick question: I need a flat floating floor texture, it doesnt need to be collidable or anything, do i still need to create a 3d floor to do that?

haughty flower Nov 6, 2017, 12:08 AM

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What format are you using?

fresh arch Nov 6, 2017, 12:08 AM

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udmf

haughty flower Nov 6, 2017, 12:09 AM

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You could use transfer heights (also available on Boom) but since you're using UDMF I recommend you just making a 3d floor

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Nah wait

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Yeah I think you should use transfer heights

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Unless there is a way to make 3d floors non-solid

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Shit yes there is I think

light prism Nov 6, 2017, 12:10 AM

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or you can make an actor

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with +FLATSPRITE

fresh arch Nov 6, 2017, 12:10 AM

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im trying to make some awning over a doorway, and i plan to make the sides a middle texture floating, but was ondering how to build the roof

light prism Nov 6, 2017, 12:10 AM

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in fact actors are very versatile for that sort of thing

haughty flower Nov 6, 2017, 12:11 AM

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Use 3d floors

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They're extremely easy to make

light prism Nov 6, 2017, 12:13 AM

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sure but they become difficult to manage when you have 500 of them

unreal oyster Nov 6, 2017, 8:01 AM

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Then use the gzdb 3d floors plugin :P

lavish hollow Nov 6, 2017, 8:02 AM

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get in here, boi

young mesa Nov 6, 2017, 9:16 AM

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3dfloor plugin ...? (Haven't used gzdb in a while)

fresh arch Nov 6, 2017, 9:23 AM

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well, with that issue aside i more or less finished the following building, an auto parts store, pending some minor tweaks to irrelevant vertex locations

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📎 Screenshot_Doom_20171106_041932.png

haughty flower Nov 6, 2017, 10:32 AM

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no dead bodies, no enemies, sad screen 😦

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😄

red peak Nov 6, 2017, 3:06 PM

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How do I open a MAPINFO file in Slade?

haughty flower Nov 6, 2017, 3:07 PM

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Click on it and "View as text"

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doomguy_thonk

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Or just drop it on Slade if that's what you mean

red peak Nov 6, 2017, 3:11 PM

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I mean create a new MAPINFO section in a WAD file

livid hearth Nov 6, 2017, 4:36 PM

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create a marker, name it MAPINFO, and then click on it, and click view as text

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then you can edit it

haughty flower Nov 6, 2017, 5:22 PM

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^

lavish hollow Nov 6, 2017, 5:23 PM

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no arrows

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thats a ban

haughty flower Nov 6, 2017, 5:28 PM

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doomguy_cautious_r

light prism Nov 6, 2017, 5:43 PM

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https://imgur.com/PbcPEor

Imgur

lavish hollow Nov 6, 2017, 5:44 PM

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wolf 2 in a nutshell

haughty flower Nov 6, 2017, 5:53 PM

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doomguy_grin 👌

haughty flower Nov 6, 2017, 6:21 PM

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i dont use akimbo so far in wolf 2

young mesa Nov 6, 2017, 6:59 PM

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"FUCK YEAH" intensifies

royal wave Nov 6, 2017, 7:35 PM

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That mod just looks like the guns fire at the same speed as a regular shotgun

light prism Nov 6, 2017, 7:36 PM

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actually its slightly faster and you can trigger alt seperately

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so you can fire both simultaneously if you want

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i didnt really show that off in the gif i guess

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there's a bit of variation but mostly shooting one-two

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to compensate i made the spread slightly worse

haughty flower Nov 6, 2017, 8:10 PM

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Guys

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doomguy_shock

light prism Nov 6, 2017, 8:11 PM

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wat

haughty flower Nov 6, 2017, 8:19 PM

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doomguy_shock

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You wa shock

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📎 Screenshot_Doom_20171106_134115.png 📎 Screenshot_Doom_20171106_133719.png

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📎 unknown.png

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Some old screenshots but don't look so different from the most recent 'version' of this area

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Any way I could improve it?

light prism Nov 6, 2017, 8:24 PM

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some floor variation

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blood pools/lava cracks or stuff

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slight height variation

haughty flower Nov 6, 2017, 8:25 PM

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Yeah there's some height and a bit of of floor variation on the newest one

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But just a bit tho

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Needa have a bit more

prisma saddle Nov 6, 2017, 8:26 PM

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I'd personally add some things like say, decals to break up the tiling of textures.

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Or maybe some voxels to add a bit of depth to the walls, but that's my perspective on decoration.

haughty flower Nov 6, 2017, 8:28 PM

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Yeah good idea

light prism Nov 6, 2017, 8:28 PM

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breaking up tiling is more important with smoother textures

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its not so mch of an issue here

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where its meant to look more chaotic and organic

haughty flower Nov 6, 2017, 8:29 PM

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I'll try to share some more screenshots when I get home

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Maybe even a vid idk

prisma saddle Nov 6, 2017, 8:35 PM

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@wary zealot Maybe add an option to lower the screenshake/disable it, but, nickname it something silly/patronising like the difficulty settings.

wary zealot Nov 6, 2017, 8:47 PM

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Nah, I agree that it's way too much screenshake.

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It's a placeholder effect and may be removed alltogether.

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Screenshake makes my genitals go doki doki but I still know when too much is too much.

prisma saddle Nov 6, 2017, 8:52 PM

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I do like the idea of a screenshake option or something.

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Going from, say, "shooting nerf darts" to "hand held explosion machine"

vocal crypt Nov 6, 2017, 8:53 PM

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Btw how was the screenshake in the videos I posted

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ID want too much you can't tell what you're shooting at

haughty flower Nov 6, 2017, 8:53 PM

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i wish i would getmy ass up into production into actually making a leevel, i always sit around and read up design and doom builder stuff and try out little things, but nver find the right "starting point" to do a level

light prism Nov 6, 2017, 9:29 PM

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leeeveeeel

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there is no right starting point

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you can plop the player at the start of a linear sequence, or in a 'hub' area of a more branching level

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but its just up to you

haughty flower Nov 6, 2017, 10:04 PM

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no thas not what i meant

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but thanks for the tip 😄

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also do you guys plan your levels really out, or just start doing stuff and see where it goes and build in ideas on the fly?

light prism Nov 6, 2017, 10:08 PM

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not usually

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just draw shit yeah

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sometimes plan ahead a little bit

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but not the whole map

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like draw partial layouts

haughty flower Nov 6, 2017, 11:10 PM

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ok

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i should just scheduleat least an hour a day to do nothing else, i get distracted so easily

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anyway, good night mates 😃

fresh arch Nov 6, 2017, 11:32 PM

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starting a level is hard

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i start by thinking about a particular room i want to make, like its purpose

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and add ancilliary rooms from there

vocal crypt Nov 6, 2017, 11:33 PM

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mine is the designi

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it's too boxy and linear

fresh arch Nov 6, 2017, 11:33 PM

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get a graph notebook

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and start drawing geometric shapes

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circles are easy to do in GZDB

light prism Nov 7, 2017, 12:38 AM

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circles are super easy

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draw a diamond and use curve tool

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looooools

lavish hollow Nov 7, 2017, 12:39 AM

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Cars are easy
Draw a pirate ship and put wheels on it

light prism Nov 7, 2017, 12:40 AM

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jefe is easy

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draw a potato

lavish hollow Nov 7, 2017, 12:42 AM

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TheMisterCat is easy
draw a fudge nugger

livid hearth Nov 7, 2017, 1:14 AM

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📎 Catacombs-B2.png

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📎 Catacombs-B1.png

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📎 Catacombs-G.png

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I've drawn up map designs before

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it was fun

lavish hollow Nov 7, 2017, 1:17 AM

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Too many catacombs

fresh arch Nov 7, 2017, 1:18 AM

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not enough catacombs

lavish hollow Nov 7, 2017, 1:18 AM

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perfect amount of catacombs

livid hearth Nov 7, 2017, 1:19 AM

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I made this for a friend who was working on Serious Sam HD Extended a while back

fresh arch Nov 7, 2017, 1:19 AM

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little more catacombs

livid hearth Nov 7, 2017, 1:19 AM

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and he took the layout design and turned it into an actual playable map, with his own changes implemented

lavish hollow Nov 7, 2017, 1:21 AM

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Little less catacombs

light prism Nov 7, 2017, 2:45 AM

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B1 looks shit

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bland af

haughty flower Nov 7, 2017, 2:48 AM

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somemong

livid hearth Nov 7, 2017, 4:05 AM

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it works out well tho

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http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=468808409 you can check it out for yourself. use cht_bEnableCheats = 3 if the map Catacombs doesn't show up in the list.

light prism Nov 7, 2017, 5:14 AM

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iunno mate the tunnels look like a wolf3d map

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all 90 degree turns and labyrinthian

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assuming those are 64px tunnels, no room to dodge

livid hearth Nov 7, 2017, 5:36 AM

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Nah, they're about 4-5m wide

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It's a sam map, they're huge 😛

light prism Nov 7, 2017, 5:42 AM

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oh okay

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that makes a bit more sense

light prism Nov 7, 2017, 5:58 AM

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https://imgur.com/ROjHpRs

Imgur

lavish hollow Nov 7, 2017, 6:03 AM

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@light prism that's using the overlay system, right?

light prism Nov 7, 2017, 6:29 AM

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yeah

light prism Nov 7, 2017, 6:47 AM

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did you want to start @prisma saddle ?

prisma saddle Nov 7, 2017, 6:47 AM

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@light prism no, thanks for the offer though.

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Sorta wanted to add to it rather than make the first room and such.

light prism Nov 7, 2017, 6:48 AM

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ok uh

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i actually have just started a fresh map in the past 30 mins

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so i guess we can use that for the base

prisma saddle Nov 7, 2017, 6:50 AM

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Alrighty.

light prism Nov 7, 2017, 7:29 AM

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@prisma saddle

prisma saddle Nov 7, 2017, 7:29 AM

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Yeah?

light prism Nov 7, 2017, 7:29 AM

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📎 hell1.wad

prisma saddle Nov 7, 2017, 8:16 AM

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@light prism

📎 hell2.wad

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My room is certainly more boring than yours...

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Your room is really nice though.

light prism Nov 7, 2017, 8:25 AM

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ok

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how about

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we'll speed this up a bit, and just do basic layouts and simple texturing

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then ill try and fit everything to a cohesive theme later

prisma saddle Nov 7, 2017, 8:29 AM

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Yeah sure.

light prism Nov 7, 2017, 8:47 AM

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📎 hell3.wad

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@prisma saddle

prisma saddle Nov 7, 2017, 9:25 AM

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@light prism No clue what I'm doing at this point

📎 hell4.wad

light prism Nov 7, 2017, 10:21 AM

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wow

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i actually got doom4 running on this pc

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amazing

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📎 hell5.wad

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@prisma saddle i removed the fog and light color for now, probably making it harder to visualise

fresh arch Nov 7, 2017, 1:39 PM

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just a dash more catacombs

lavish hollow Nov 7, 2017, 1:47 PM

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a pinch less catacombs

vocal crypt Nov 7, 2017, 1:57 PM

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Looks linear a bit

red peak Nov 7, 2017, 2:12 PM

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What's wrong with this MAPINFO?

📎 unknown.png

vocal crypt Nov 7, 2017, 2:12 PM

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IDK what is the problem

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Is Zand/GZ being a whiny bitch?

red peak Nov 7, 2017, 2:26 PM

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It doesn't start period

past cradle Nov 7, 2017, 2:53 PM

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That uh

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Doesn't look like mapinfo

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One second let me get out of bed

haughty flower Nov 7, 2017, 3:03 PM

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map MAP01 lookup "The Awakening"
music "D_RUNNIN"
sky SKY1 0
exitpic "SKY2"
enterpic "SKY2"
intermusic "COURYAR"

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Try that ^

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@red peak

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You don't need MAP before every single other thing

red peak Nov 7, 2017, 3:13 PM

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I used that at first, but it didn't work

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So I added MAP and it still doesn't work

past cradle Nov 7, 2017, 3:13 PM

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{
music "D_RUNNIN"
sky SKY1 0
exitpic "SKY2"
enterpic "SKY2"
intermusic "COURYAR"
}```

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try this

haughty flower Nov 7, 2017, 3:24 PM

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what format are you using

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Doom? Boom? UDMF?

unreal oyster Nov 7, 2017, 3:45 PM

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@haughty flower eww the old MapInfo format doomguy_shock

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If you're using that I'd recommend you switch to the curly brace'd version that DrPyspy posted

haughty flower Nov 7, 2017, 3:48 PM

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it's works the same

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and I don't think his version works with Boom format

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uhh

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yeah it works the same why do you care

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doomguy_thonk

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doomguy_grin

unreal oyster Nov 7, 2017, 4:56 PM

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because it's an outdated syntax that doesn't support all the features

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keep using it yourself if you really want to but don't recommend it to other people

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also [3:48 PM] AsianMammoth: and I don't think his version works with Boom format mapinfo isn't a boom feature

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if you mean "zdoom won't load the new format with a boom map", wrong

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most boom mapsets with a MAPINFO follow the new format

haughty flower Nov 7, 2017, 5:17 PM

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doomguy_thonk

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kk

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whatever you say missus

past cradle Nov 7, 2017, 5:31 PM

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🤔

haughty flower Nov 7, 2017, 5:51 PM

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this is pretty cool to know and I've never noticed until now that Boom had this feature

📎 unknown.png

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📎 unknown.png

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doomguy_cautious_l

light prism Nov 7, 2017, 6:15 PM

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pfff udmf has individual brightness levels without the need for transfers

haughty flower Nov 7, 2017, 6:45 PM

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yeah I know that

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I use UDMF for terrywads

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doomguy_cautious_l

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you know that

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doomguy_god

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I want a Revenant that holds a rocket launcher that looks like a minigun and that fires mini-homing-rockets

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doomguy_grin

light prism Nov 7, 2017, 7:48 PM

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why

dusk flare Nov 7, 2017, 9:51 PM

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I want a revenant that carries a trumpet and doots at you

lavish hollow Nov 7, 2017, 9:52 PM

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📎 sawty.png

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you get this instead

dusk flare Nov 7, 2017, 9:53 PM

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GWnonAiSmug

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I'm pleased

livid hearth Nov 7, 2017, 9:57 PM

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Rapenant

dusk flare Nov 7, 2017, 10:49 PM

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New Hdoom demon

haughty flower Nov 7, 2017, 11:41 PM

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Amazing

fresh arch Nov 8, 2017, 3:25 AM

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10/10

umbral sail Nov 8, 2017, 1:33 PM

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thats an intresting monster design for sure

muted wing Nov 9, 2017, 1:27 AM

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@lavish hollow sawty? Why is it names sawty?

lavish hollow Nov 9, 2017, 1:29 AM

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Idk

muted wing Nov 9, 2017, 1:29 AM

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The chainsaw falic revenant

lavish hollow Nov 9, 2017, 1:29 AM

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It's not my sprite, it's a friend's

muted wing Nov 9, 2017, 1:29 AM

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@lavish hollow is it a pun on salty or something?

lavish hollow Nov 9, 2017, 1:29 AM

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no

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mate I just said it's not mine

muted wing Nov 9, 2017, 1:30 AM

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Man, how awkward would it be if you had to chainsaw duel with this thing

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@lavish hollow i just got it, slight delay here

lavish hollow Nov 9, 2017, 1:31 AM

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Lightsaber fight

muted wing Nov 9, 2017, 1:34 AM

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@lavish hollow why did your friend make this anyway? Doom mod of his or just felt like it?

lavish hollow Nov 9, 2017, 1:35 AM

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Mod

red peak Nov 9, 2017, 1:50 AM

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Fine

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Teach me the Zdoom MapInfo format

light prism Nov 9, 2017, 1:53 AM

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https://zdoom.org/wiki/MAPINFO/Map_definition

Map definition

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music = "MUSDIX"
sky1 = "HUGEDIX"
}```

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etc

lavish hollow Nov 9, 2017, 1:55 AM

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"sky = hugedick"

haughty flower Nov 9, 2017, 1:55 AM

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kek

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music dicks

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valley of dicks

lavish hollow Nov 9, 2017, 1:55 AM

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Maybe the reason god stays in heaven, is because he too fears what he has created

light prism Nov 9, 2017, 1:55 AM

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no it's because he's just a stranger on the bus trying to find his way home

red peak Nov 9, 2017, 2:33 AM

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The intermission is broken.

light prism Nov 9, 2017, 2:56 AM

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stop breaking things

exotic moss Nov 9, 2017, 7:54 AM

#

📎 gzdoom_2017-11-09_01-53-21-12.png

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what is causing the black line?

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only visible at that axis

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with Doom Vacation

exotic moss Nov 9, 2017, 9:14 AM

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definitly a GPU issue with these shitty Radeon cards

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nevermind

light prism Nov 9, 2017, 9:49 AM

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only visible in that field of view?

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odd

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bleeding sector?

exotic moss Nov 9, 2017, 10:22 PM

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think it was because open gl gzdoom 3.0 acts weird with my PC

light prism Nov 9, 2017, 10:23 PM

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there might be some video settings you can change

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it doesnt really look like a bsp/rendering issue

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though

exotic moss Nov 9, 2017, 10:44 PM

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I did mess with the settings Gzdoom 3.0 has more

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I recall them having issues with drivers for my card before

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then them forcing it to render a certain way but doing away with it for 3

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don't know I need an upgrade badly

inner zealot Nov 9, 2017, 11:21 PM

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Hubs work in .pk3's, right?

golden drum Nov 9, 2017, 11:22 PM

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I don't see why they wouldn't

lavish hollow Nov 9, 2017, 11:22 PM

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^

golden drum Nov 9, 2017, 11:22 PM

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Then again I've barely started mapping

haughty flower Nov 9, 2017, 11:23 PM

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What format are you using

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doomguy_god

golden drum Nov 9, 2017, 11:23 PM

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who?

haughty flower Nov 9, 2017, 11:23 PM

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U

inner zealot Nov 9, 2017, 11:23 PM

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Format for?

haughty flower Nov 9, 2017, 11:23 PM

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Doom, Boom, Hexen, UDMF?

golden drum Nov 9, 2017, 11:23 PM

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UDMF for two maps of IRL places and vanilla for another map I'm making atm

inner zealot Nov 9, 2017, 11:24 PM

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If you're not trying to be compatible with really old engines, UDMF is the best

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I've never regretted moving over to it

golden drum Nov 9, 2017, 11:25 PM

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Indeed, tho vanilla does open up a wide range of engine choices and apparently speedruns are basically non-existant for udmf maps

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I guess because newer engines have bad demo support

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or so I've heard

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Besides I wanted to learn vanilla mapping anyway

haughty flower Nov 9, 2017, 11:26 PM

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People still love the 'old school' way of playing Doom

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That's probably why Boom and Doom are more commonly used n shit

golden drum Nov 9, 2017, 11:27 PM

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Keeping within the limit of vanilla doom is easier thanI expected

haughty flower Nov 9, 2017, 11:27 PM

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I always play wads in prboom when I can

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You're using Doom or Boom?

golden drum Nov 9, 2017, 11:27 PM

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I usually play GZDoom

haughty flower Nov 9, 2017, 11:27 PM

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Boom is just an extension of the default Doom format

golden drum Nov 9, 2017, 11:28 PM

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So if I make a map in boom can it run in vanilla without the extra features or no?

haughty flower Nov 9, 2017, 11:29 PM

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It'll only correctly run in Boom-compatible sourceports

golden drum Nov 9, 2017, 11:29 PM

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Hmm

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Is it possible to have an acs lump that will apply properties to sectors like fog and what not that will only be registered by zdoom ports?

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or would that not work

haughty flower Nov 9, 2017, 11:30 PM

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Yep

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It'd work

golden drum Nov 9, 2017, 11:30 PM

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Nice, prolly gonna do that then

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Have some fog in vanialla mps

inner zealot Nov 9, 2017, 11:31 PM

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Hey, does anyone have any examples of this being used? https://zdoom.org/wiki/Music_format#Emulated_formats

Music format

haughty flower Nov 9, 2017, 11:31 PM

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See "Ancient Aliens" they do that

#

o

golden drum Nov 9, 2017, 11:32 PM

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sick

inner zealot Nov 9, 2017, 11:32 PM

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I didn't know ZDoom supported that kind of thing

golden drum Nov 9, 2017, 11:32 PM

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lolwut

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Seems like a very niche thing

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Somebody needs to try that out

#

Does anybody map for doomsday?

inner zealot Nov 9, 2017, 11:35 PM

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I'm looking into it for my mod

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Which I'm getting back intio

golden drum Nov 9, 2017, 11:36 PM

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It seems to me that gzdoom has all the same fancy effects as doomsday

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Just not as intense

light prism Nov 9, 2017, 11:37 PM

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skulltag came with some SPC's i believe

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like chrono triggers fight against magus song

golden drum Nov 9, 2017, 11:39 PM

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Never played chrono trigger before, did the song fit or did it feel out of place

light prism Nov 9, 2017, 11:39 PM

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snes songs never fit doom

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most custom music doesnt fit doom though

inner zealot Nov 9, 2017, 11:39 PM

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Did it sound correct, though

golden drum Nov 9, 2017, 11:39 PM

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true true

light prism Nov 9, 2017, 11:39 PM

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there is no reason it wouldnt sound correct because SPC format is basically tracker, it includest he samples

inner zealot Nov 9, 2017, 11:39 PM

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I am remaking Zelda, though

#

So, that sounds like a viable option

golden drum Nov 9, 2017, 11:40 PM

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zavus, you release anything yet?

inner zealot Nov 9, 2017, 11:40 PM

#

I haven't worked on it or even played Doom in months, I'm just getting back into it as of last night

golden drum Nov 9, 2017, 11:41 PM

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hey people still include those big txt files with their wads right?

inner zealot Nov 9, 2017, 11:41 PM

#

📎 Screenshot_Doom_20171108_232341.png

shadow bone Nov 9, 2017, 11:41 PM

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Yeah, they're pretty common bugbait

inner zealot Nov 9, 2017, 11:41 PM

#

I derped with Decorate a bit last night

shadow bone Nov 9, 2017, 11:41 PM

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Doomworld has a template

inner zealot Nov 9, 2017, 11:41 PM

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The don't really do anything, though

#

y*

golden drum Nov 9, 2017, 11:41 PM

#

lel

inner zealot Nov 9, 2017, 11:41 PM

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Just walk around

golden drum Nov 9, 2017, 11:41 PM

#

zelda in the doom engine sounds oddly fitting

shadow bone Nov 9, 2017, 11:42 PM

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They're good if you're uploading to idgames, because they're required there and Doomworld automatically parses them for indexing.

golden drum Nov 9, 2017, 11:42 PM

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Ye I have a template file right here

inner zealot Nov 9, 2017, 11:42 PM

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It has worked well, so far. And I'm not the first.

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Third as far as I can tell

shadow bone Nov 9, 2017, 11:42 PM

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Besides, they're just "the way it's always been done" so most Doomers expect them

light prism Nov 9, 2017, 11:42 PM

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so FPS original zelda? or aiming for the top-down tilebased way

golden drum Nov 9, 2017, 11:42 PM

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That's good because I have one for both of my wads

shadow bone Nov 9, 2017, 11:42 PM

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Just common courtesy

inner zealot Nov 9, 2017, 11:42 PM

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FPS

light prism Nov 9, 2017, 11:42 PM

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so not original zelda then

inner zealot Nov 9, 2017, 11:42 PM

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I guess I could do some camera tricks to make it top-down

golden drum Nov 9, 2017, 11:42 PM

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I noticed doomsday actually sets the wad names as the names in the txts

light prism Nov 9, 2017, 11:43 PM

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you'd have to do some tricks to get it to respond properly with controls too

inner zealot Nov 9, 2017, 11:43 PM

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Here it is if anyone wants to poke around what's done of the map.

golden drum Nov 9, 2017, 11:43 PM

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IMHO you should stick with fps zelda

inner zealot Nov 9, 2017, 11:43 PM

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Just some really basic Decorate

golden drum Nov 9, 2017, 11:43 PM

#

top down zelda has been done before you know?

light prism Nov 9, 2017, 11:44 PM

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fps pacman

inner zealot Nov 9, 2017, 11:44 PM

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📎 ZeldaDoom.wad

golden drum Nov 9, 2017, 11:44 PM

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LOL

inner zealot Nov 9, 2017, 11:44 PM

#

Wasn't that an easter egg in Wolfenstein 3D?

light prism Nov 9, 2017, 11:44 PM

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yeah

#

i still remember the music too

#

i should do a live cover of that

#

jazz af

haughty flower Nov 9, 2017, 11:44 PM

#

doomguy_god_hd

#

romero

golden drum Nov 9, 2017, 11:45 PM

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Do either you know where I can find some sprites to replace the nazis with human scavengers or something

haughty flower Nov 9, 2017, 11:46 PM

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Realm667

golden drum Nov 9, 2017, 11:46 PM

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thx

inner zealot Nov 9, 2017, 11:48 PM

#

I've heard Realm667 get some hate, can't tell why

golden drum Nov 9, 2017, 11:48 PM

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fookin' right, Is 667 launcher good or should I stick with zdoom executer

inner zealot Nov 9, 2017, 11:48 PM

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Never tried it

light prism Nov 9, 2017, 11:48 PM

#

man

#

its been a while since i made anything substantial in doom

inner zealot Nov 9, 2017, 11:48 PM

#

I use shortcuts

light prism Nov 9, 2017, 11:48 PM

#

if anyone needs any help with any scripting or decorate or anything lemme know

#

@inner zealot - The hate is probably because a lot of noob modders just jam all the r667 resources into a pk3 and force you to download them

livid hearth Nov 9, 2017, 11:49 PM

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With no work put on them

shadow bone Nov 9, 2017, 11:49 PM

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Yeah

livid hearth Nov 9, 2017, 11:50 PM

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Just straight up mash them in

shadow bone Nov 9, 2017, 11:50 PM

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The issue is not using R667 stuff

light prism Nov 9, 2017, 11:50 PM

#

yeah they just drop everything into an archive

shadow bone Nov 9, 2017, 11:50 PM

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It's just throwing it all in a .wad and saying "i made the worlds best monster shuffle!"

light prism Nov 9, 2017, 11:50 PM

#

no balance, no 'using as a base'

#

its still a very viable source of sprites and monsters and such though, yeah

#

i do still prefer doing everything from scratch though

golden drum Nov 9, 2017, 11:51 PM

#

@inner zealot for the zelda wad what Iwad should I use

inner zealot Nov 9, 2017, 11:51 PM

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Doom 2

golden drum Nov 9, 2017, 11:51 PM

#

kk

inner zealot Nov 9, 2017, 11:51 PM

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I just tried out .NSF music

#

Sure enough, it works

#

And sounds exactly how it should

haughty flower Nov 9, 2017, 11:52 PM

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Wow

light prism Nov 9, 2017, 11:52 PM

#

like i said, those formats are mostly just tracker-based, they include all the samples used

#

so they will sound the same, yes

inner zealot Nov 9, 2017, 11:52 PM

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@golden drum Turn fly on and float around for a bit, the overhead perspective is nice

#

It's still kinda weird, though

golden drum Nov 9, 2017, 11:53 PM

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bruh that's legit

light prism Nov 9, 2017, 11:53 PM

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you should skip zelda and make fps wonderboy in monsterland 2

livid hearth Nov 9, 2017, 11:53 PM

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Fuck that

#

Startropics 3D

inner zealot Nov 9, 2017, 11:53 PM

#

Your suggestion has been noted.

light prism Nov 9, 2017, 11:53 PM

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that game has the most satisfying coin drop sound ever

golden drum Nov 9, 2017, 11:54 PM

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One critisicism tho, You should prolly put a more basic weapon in the starting cave instead of the SSG right off the bat

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other than that, it's actually pretty cool

inner zealot Nov 9, 2017, 11:55 PM

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The SSG isn't actually going to be there

golden drum Nov 9, 2017, 11:55 PM

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hit me up when you release a beta or something

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kk

inner zealot Nov 9, 2017, 11:55 PM

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I'm using them as markers

golden drum Nov 9, 2017, 11:55 PM

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That's what I figured

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early dev thing

inner zealot Nov 9, 2017, 11:56 PM

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I have all those caves in one map, so I have different amounts of shotguns in them to tell them apart

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I would have the wooden sword in there already (And it's technically in the .wad)

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But it's extremely crappy and amateurish

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I'm still learning, you know.

golden drum Nov 9, 2017, 11:57 PM

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Ye I get that

inner zealot Nov 10, 2017, 12:00 AM

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Can I call a vote?

lavish hollow Nov 10, 2017, 12:01 AM

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Sure

inner zealot Nov 10, 2017, 12:01 AM

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Move this project into a .pk3, yea or nay?

golden drum Nov 10, 2017, 12:01 AM

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I assume it's gonna udmf format?

lavish hollow Nov 10, 2017, 12:01 AM

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Fuck both, make it an iwad

golden drum Nov 10, 2017, 12:01 AM

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YE

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Do that

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but yeah if it's udmf format make it a pk3 I guess

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Why does .pk3 even exist anyway

inner zealot Nov 10, 2017, 12:03 AM

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A .pk3 is literally a .zip renamed

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 12:03 AM

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https://imgur.com/4qceMDf

Imgur

inner zealot Nov 10, 2017, 12:03 AM

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It takes up less space than a .wad and is more organized

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It's renamed to .pk3 so dickshits don't try to unpack it

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 12:03 AM

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watch my framerate zoom up as soon as i get inside

golden drum Nov 10, 2017, 12:04 AM

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Well if you're adding in extra monsters and weapons then prolly pk3 it

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That's my two cents

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 12:05 AM

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actually makes no real difference, but pk3 structure is better for organization

golden drum Nov 10, 2017, 12:05 AM

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@light prism is that a wad?

inner zealot Nov 10, 2017, 12:05 AM

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Yeah, unless you have a lot of music files or anything else that takes up a stupid amount of space, you don't benefit so much from the compression

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 12:07 AM

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that project is in a pk3 heh

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or do you mean 'is that a doom mod'

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either way yes

golden drum Nov 10, 2017, 12:08 AM

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savage

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 12:08 AM

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https://imgur.com/a/UBmI7

Imgur

Untitled qzDoom project

▶ Play video

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here's an album

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click link for pics

golden drum Nov 10, 2017, 12:09 AM

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My internet sucks

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I'd check it out, but it would take an hour

inner zealot Nov 10, 2017, 12:10 AM

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Don't underestimate GZDoom

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It's way more than a Doom source port at this point

golden drum Nov 10, 2017, 12:11 AM

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I'd say so

vocal crypt Nov 10, 2017, 12:11 AM

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GZDoom apparently does what id could not at the time.

inner zealot Nov 10, 2017, 12:11 AM

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GZSPISPOPD when

vocal crypt Nov 10, 2017, 12:12 AM

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wat

golden drum Nov 10, 2017, 12:12 AM

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wtf is that

vocal crypt Nov 10, 2017, 12:12 AM

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dat suppose to be a cheat code butchered

inner zealot Nov 10, 2017, 12:13 AM

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SPISPOPD goes back farther than the cheat code

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 12:17 AM

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wtf are you

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billy corgan

inner zealot Nov 10, 2017, 12:18 AM

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I'm a lot of things

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 12:18 AM

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this is how i feel

inner zealot Nov 10, 2017, 12:18 AM

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Distracted is one of them.

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 12:18 AM

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im cold and i am shamed, lying naked on the floor

vocal crypt Nov 10, 2017, 12:18 AM

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did you get too high

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or too drunk

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also, debating on whether to have guns for certain classes be buyable or somethin

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in DF:MVD

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 12:19 AM

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make guns that talk to you

vocal crypt Nov 10, 2017, 12:19 AM

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@light prism so, an Ap-Sap?

prisma saddle Nov 10, 2017, 12:19 AM

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Yeah.

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Talky guns.

vocal crypt Nov 10, 2017, 12:19 AM

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maybe it's just high pitched voices of the class

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imagine Heavy's high pithced voice with the minigun

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 12:19 AM

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nah give them unique voices and dialogue

vocal crypt Nov 10, 2017, 12:20 AM

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so, just make them yell Doom quotes

haughty flower Nov 10, 2017, 12:20 AM

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carmackulus

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 12:20 AM

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and if you get through a conversation they get modded/upgraded

inner zealot Nov 10, 2017, 12:20 AM

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ripandtear

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After he died he possessed a shotgun

vocal crypt Nov 10, 2017, 12:21 AM

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YOU STUPID STUPID DEMON! YOU'RE STUPID! YOU'RE GONNA BE STUPID AND DEAD! DANCE! DANCE BIG something IDK what he said

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 12:21 AM

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brb actually doing work

lavish hollow Nov 10, 2017, 12:22 AM

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haha

inner zealot Nov 10, 2017, 12:22 AM

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HERE COMES THE NIGHT TRAIN

lavish hollow Nov 10, 2017, 12:22 AM

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mistercat doing work

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good one

vocal crypt Nov 10, 2017, 12:22 AM

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insert Minigun ripping here @inner zealot

haughty flower Nov 10, 2017, 12:22 AM

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I hate how the BFG behaved like a goddamn Minigun in the Doom comic

vocal crypt Nov 10, 2017, 12:23 AM

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it did?

haughty flower Nov 10, 2017, 12:23 AM

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Yes

prisma saddle Nov 10, 2017, 12:23 AM

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I wonder what the Penciller of the DOOM comic has also made.

haughty flower Nov 10, 2017, 12:24 AM

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📎 677355_orig.jpg

inner zealot Nov 10, 2017, 12:24 AM

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I got the entire soundtrack in .NSF format

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All in one file

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Now I have to figure out how this works

vocal crypt Nov 10, 2017, 12:24 AM

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looks more like a shotgun thing

prisma saddle Nov 10, 2017, 12:25 AM

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BFG shotgun jape.

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Now I want to make that a mod.

vocal crypt Nov 10, 2017, 12:25 AM

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nerf it first.

prisma saddle Nov 10, 2017, 12:25 AM

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And have the BFG be a shotgun instead.

inner zealot Nov 10, 2017, 12:25 AM

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Luckily, the program I got that let's me listen to them lets me export them to .WAV

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So, that's the backup plan

golden drum Nov 10, 2017, 12:45 AM

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is it possible to start the player with only fists?

lavish hollow Nov 10, 2017, 12:45 AM

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Yes

golden drum Nov 10, 2017, 12:45 AM

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How?

lavish hollow Nov 10, 2017, 12:46 AM

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You'd need to make a new player class iirc

golden drum Nov 10, 2017, 12:46 AM

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gonna search that up

haughty flower Nov 10, 2017, 12:47 AM

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Nope

golden drum Nov 10, 2017, 12:47 AM

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nope to what?

haughty flower Nov 10, 2017, 12:47 AM

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script 1 ENTER
{
ClearInventory();
}

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That's all

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Oh no wait

golden drum Nov 10, 2017, 12:47 AM

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that would clear past weapons too

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ACTUALLY

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Yeah

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That would work

haughty flower Nov 10, 2017, 12:48 AM

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script 1 ENTER
{
ClearInventory();
GiveInventory(fist, 1);
}

golden drum Nov 10, 2017, 12:48 AM

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Fist start for map01

haughty flower Nov 10, 2017, 12:48 AM

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I don't think it's actually GiveInventory

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But it's some other command that sounds like that

golden drum Nov 10, 2017, 12:48 AM

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pistol start for others

haughty flower Nov 10, 2017, 12:48 AM

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Only do that script for map 1 then

golden drum Nov 10, 2017, 12:48 AM

#

kk

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 1:04 AM

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GiveInventory will work for this

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it gives to the script activator, who will be the player since it is an ENTER script

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if you want multiplayer compatibility though, you'd need an equivalent RESPAWN script

golden drum Nov 10, 2017, 1:05 AM

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of/c

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thx

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 1:05 AM

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and if you wanted it to be a map01 fist start only, you'd need to check that you're on map01 beforehand

inner zealot Nov 10, 2017, 1:07 AM

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I've decide to go with .NSF for music and (most likely) sound effects

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It's pretty straight forward, and it's only 20kb for literally every sound

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So, I can vouch for this format

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 1:09 AM

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20kb is too much

inner zealot Nov 10, 2017, 1:09 AM

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I'm shooting for 2, if possible

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 1:09 AM

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📎 TheMisterCat_-_The_Human_Race.mid

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here use this for music :3

inner zealot Nov 10, 2017, 1:10 AM

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You make this?

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Not bad

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I shall map to this

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 1:12 AM

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oh, here, have the live version then

inner zealot Nov 10, 2017, 1:13 AM

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But I like midi

ionic stratus Nov 10, 2017, 1:13 AM

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So who here is familiar with zdoom based modding? I'm trying to tweak an existing mod to fit my prerferences but having no luck in doing so.

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 1:13 AM

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📎 The_Mister_Cat_-_Cats_are_People_Too_-_The_Human_Race.mp3

golden drum Nov 10, 2017, 1:15 AM

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back

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was afk

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Brutal Doom has a problem where enemy deaths don't trigger actions, is there a way around that

inner zealot Nov 10, 2017, 1:17 AM

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What's a good audio editing program?

golden drum Nov 10, 2017, 1:17 AM

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audacity?

ionic stratus Nov 10, 2017, 1:18 AM

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@golden drum No idea, but my question's also about brutal doom, funny enough. 😃

golden drum Nov 10, 2017, 1:18 AM

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lolnice. What are you trying to change anyway?

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Perhaps we could help eachother

ionic stratus Nov 10, 2017, 1:19 AM

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I'm trying to take the headless zombies off the list of zombiemen replacements.

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From what I read, I assumed the zombiemen.txt file, which has references to the replacements in question, would be where to go. Nixing or changing things in there seems to have no effect though.

golden drum Nov 10, 2017, 1:19 AM

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I've never screwed with zscript or decorate before, but I'll load it up in slade and see what I can find

lavish hollow Nov 10, 2017, 1:20 AM

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Try deleting it

ionic stratus Nov 10, 2017, 1:20 AM

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I assumed this was the code that does the replacement in zombiemen.txt

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ReplaceBeheaded:
TNT1 A 0 A_ChangeFlag("THRUACTORS", 1)
TNT1 A 0 A_ChangeFlag("COUNTKILL", 0)
TNT1 A 0 A_SpawnItemEx ("RifleZombie",0,0,0,0,0,0,0,SXF_NOCHECKPOSITION | SXF_TRANSFERAMBUSHFLAG | SXF_TRANSFERPOINTERS ,0, tid)
Stop

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Deleting it does nothing.

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The riflezombie part was me trying to change what it spawned. That also didn't work.

golden drum Nov 10, 2017, 1:20 AM

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make sure slade isn't trying to save to somewhere it can't

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 1:20 AM

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do they get beheaded after killed with headshots sometimes?

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is that how it works?

ionic stratus Nov 10, 2017, 1:20 AM

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@light prism No. Beheaded Zombiemen are a new enemy variant.

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 1:21 AM

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oh

ionic stratus Nov 10, 2017, 1:21 AM

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They are pain immune and have 150 health.

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Versus the standard 50 a zombieman normally has, along with pain.

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Running into a lot of them at the start of a map is kinda bullshit

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 1:21 AM

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there is probably some base actor class that has 'replace Zombieman'

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like actor ZombieChooser : Zombieman replaces Zombieman

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{}

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the choice will exist in there somewhere

ionic stratus Nov 10, 2017, 1:21 AM

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I assumed the replacement was handled in zombiemen.txt, where would this actor thing be?

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 1:21 AM

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probably in there?

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it'll just be a specific actor that has 'replace Zombieman'

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probably with a list of the replacement types

ionic stratus Nov 10, 2017, 1:22 AM

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Well, the code I pasted just now was what I assumed was that.

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 1:22 AM

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no, that is an actor state

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not an actor

ionic stratus Nov 10, 2017, 1:22 AM

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ooooh.

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I can't find any other replace calls like that in zombiemen.txt.

lavish hollow Nov 10, 2017, 1:22 AM

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It's usually above the states, what Cat is mentioning

golden drum Nov 10, 2017, 1:23 AM

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#include DECORATE/ZOMBIEMEN.txt
#include DECORATE/ZOMBIEMENVARIATIONS.txt
#include DECORATE/ZOMBIEMANVARIATION2.txt

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I found that in thje decorate lump

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maybe comment out one of the variation ones

ionic stratus Nov 10, 2017, 1:24 AM

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The first varaition is the pistol zombie. 2 is the headless.

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 1:24 AM

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ok listen

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zombieman is being replaced by an actor that chooses which variant to spawn

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you need to find out what that base actor is

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and remove the 'headless' variant from its list

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all actors start with the 'actor' definition

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and this one will say 'replaces Zombieman'

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like my example above

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actor ZombieChooser : Zombieman replaces Zombieman

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something LIKE that

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it will definitely have 'replaces Zombieman'

golden drum Nov 10, 2017, 1:26 AM

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brb

ionic stratus Nov 10, 2017, 1:27 AM

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The only call i see like that is
ACTOR RifleZombie Replaces ZombieMan

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Then the replacebeheaded, but that's a state, not an actor.

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 1:28 AM

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can you pastebin.com the entire files

ionic stratus Nov 10, 2017, 1:28 AM

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Varation2 has this, but it's not a replace call. ACTOR HeadlessZombie: RifleZombie

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Hang on.

golden drum Nov 10, 2017, 1:30 AM

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I wonder if deleting the whole zombiemanvariations2.txt would worjk

ionic stratus Nov 10, 2017, 1:30 AM

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I suspect that would cause errors trying to look for something that doesn't exist?

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Anyway here's zombiemen.txt https://pastebin.com/RL513sWU

Pastebin

ACTOR AlertAfterDeath { Radius 1 Height 1 +NOCLIP States { TNT1 A 5 TNT1 - Pastebin.com

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Here's zombiemanvaration2.txt which has all the headless stuff. https://pastebin.com/gwXvAQdH

Pastebin

ACTOR HeadlessZombie: RifleZombie { Health 150 Speed 4 FastSpeed 8 deathsou - Pastebin.com

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 1:31 AM

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hmm okay yeah

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the replacebeheaded state SHOULD be the thing doing it

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are you sure you saved it properly after removing that?

ionic stratus Nov 10, 2017, 1:31 AM

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I'm using notepad++ to edit, should I be using something else?

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 1:32 AM

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hell no

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notepad++ for life

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however if youre trying to save it directly into the zip/pk3 you probably need to ensure you dont have it open in anything else first

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its likely it was just write protected when you tried to save

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hence why it didnt seem to work

ionic stratus Nov 10, 2017, 1:35 AM

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Nope, beheaded zombies still spawn even with the change.

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 1:35 AM

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close the pk3, reopen it, and make sure your change actually took effect

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also make sure you are running the right file when testing

#

so many times people have been like 'my changes make no difference' and it turns out theyre running a copy of the pk3 or a bakcup

ionic stratus Nov 10, 2017, 1:36 AM

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Yeah, it's the right file.

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And the change shows when I open it.

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The only change I HAVE gotten to work, but it's only a minor help, is lowering the beheaded's health to 50. But he's still pain immune/has no head for headshots.

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So that change does register.

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 1:37 AM

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so you are removing him for what, balance reasons?

ionic stratus Nov 10, 2017, 1:38 AM

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Yeah.

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 1:38 AM

#

wait wait

#

this is brutal doom right

ionic stratus Nov 10, 2017, 1:38 AM

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yeah.

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 1:38 AM

#

how are you running it?

ionic stratus Nov 10, 2017, 1:38 AM

#

GZDoom.

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 1:38 AM

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are you dragging your own copy of the pk3 onto the exe?

ionic stratus Nov 10, 2017, 1:38 AM

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I'm using a launcher and doing it that way.

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But yes, I am loading the modified pk3.

#

Not the original unaltered one.

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 1:38 AM

#

ok, its definitely not using the brutal doom pk3 under the 'skins' folder, right?

#

because if its loading that it could override changes

ionic stratus Nov 10, 2017, 1:39 AM

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Nope, nixed the skins folder

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And loading it as one normally would load a mod.

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 1:39 AM

#

sorry, just trying to rule shit out

ionic stratus Nov 10, 2017, 1:39 AM

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No worries man.

#

You don't know if you don't ask.

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 1:39 AM

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because lots of times i have been helping someone and its something really dumb they forgot to mention

ionic stratus Nov 10, 2017, 1:39 AM

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Don't blame ya at all for checking

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 1:39 AM

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like a misspelled word or wrong file

vocal crypt Nov 10, 2017, 1:40 AM

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Stares sadly

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 1:40 AM

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it happens all the time

golden drum Nov 10, 2017, 1:40 AM

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wtf

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 1:40 AM

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not just to @vocal crypt

#

its happened to me too

golden drum Nov 10, 2017, 1:40 AM

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No headless zombie men spawn for me even in legit brutal doom

vocal crypt Nov 10, 2017, 1:40 AM

#

what, you got an illegal bootleg?

inner zealot Nov 10, 2017, 1:40 AM

#

📎 Screenshot_Doom_20171109_203516.png

golden drum Nov 10, 2017, 1:40 AM

#

unmodified*

inner zealot Nov 10, 2017, 1:41 AM

#

📎 Screenshot_Doom_20171109_204035.png

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First or second?

ionic stratus Nov 10, 2017, 1:41 AM

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For me, almost every zombie on the start of map02 in Daedelus is a Beheaded.

vocal crypt Nov 10, 2017, 1:41 AM

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I like the second better

lavish hollow Nov 10, 2017, 1:41 AM

#

Second

ionic stratus Nov 10, 2017, 1:41 AM

#

Zeldoom?

#

And yeah, second.

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 1:41 AM

#

second

inner zealot Nov 10, 2017, 1:41 AM

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I can't call it "Zeldoom"

#

That's taken

golden drum Nov 10, 2017, 1:41 AM

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I made a test map with 64 zombiemen and so far not one has spawned headless

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 1:41 AM

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call it gzLegend of gzZelda

vocal crypt Nov 10, 2017, 1:42 AM

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GZeldoom

golden drum Nov 10, 2017, 1:42 AM

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Zeldoom: Hell in hyrule

ionic stratus Nov 10, 2017, 1:42 AM

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@golden drum So you have the opposite issue I do, heh.

inner zealot Nov 10, 2017, 1:42 AM

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I was gonna call it ZDoom

#

But that was taken

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 1:42 AM

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A Link to the Sink

ionic stratus Nov 10, 2017, 1:42 AM

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I just don't want headless because whatever RNG is used to spawn them makes Daedelus Map02 stupid.

vocal crypt Nov 10, 2017, 1:42 AM

#

@inner zealot Legend of Doom

inner zealot Nov 10, 2017, 1:42 AM

#

So then I was gonna call it Zeldoom

vocal crypt Nov 10, 2017, 1:42 AM

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or GZeldoom

inner zealot Nov 10, 2017, 1:42 AM

#

But that was taken

vocal crypt Nov 10, 2017, 1:42 AM

#

GZelDoom

ionic stratus Nov 10, 2017, 1:42 AM

#

Doom: Hell on Hyrule.

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 1:43 AM

#

hmm actually

#

it looks like perhaps some script is doing the replace's

#

or at least it is SetActorState'ing the zombieman into the relevant Replace state

#

which is weird

ionic stratus Nov 10, 2017, 1:43 AM

#

I checked the scripts folder, couldn't find anything relevant unless I missed it.

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 1:43 AM

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oh its in the spawn state

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script numbers 728 and 796

inner zealot Nov 10, 2017, 1:44 AM

#

Thanks for the feedback, I'm changing all of the rock textures to be more 1:1 with everything else

ionic stratus Nov 10, 2017, 1:45 AM

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So now I need to figure which file has those script numbers?

golden drum Nov 10, 2017, 1:45 AM

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Prolly a scrips lump that you can edit and recompile

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 1:46 AM

#

maybe, i dont know why brutal doom is so insane

#

oh right because sgt mark copypasta's code from everywhere

#

you could make a mob replacer without script bullshit

#

but noooooo

#

looks like the spawn state does have an A_Jump with a 1 in 255 chance of jumping to ReplaceBeheaded

exotic moss Nov 10, 2017, 1:47 AM

#

wanting to remove the enemy human shield mechanic in brutal doom

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and fatalities

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 1:47 AM

#

heh

golden drum Nov 10, 2017, 1:47 AM

#

Oh no

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 1:47 AM

#

'dont use them'

golden drum Nov 10, 2017, 1:47 AM

#

plz no

exotic moss Nov 10, 2017, 1:47 AM

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and all the enemies

golden drum Nov 10, 2017, 1:47 AM

#

not again

exotic moss Nov 10, 2017, 1:47 AM

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for a mod

golden drum Nov 10, 2017, 1:47 AM

#

ah

#

wait wut

#

oh

exotic moss Nov 10, 2017, 1:47 AM

#

Brutal 21

light prism Nov 10, 2017, 1:47 AM

#

remove the doom from brutal doom

lavish hollow Nov 10, 2017, 1:47 AM

#

copypasta code from everywhere

inner zealot Nov 10, 2017, 1:47 AM

#

Brutal Zelda

golden drum Nov 10, 2017, 1:47 AM

#

But ye trying to remove the headlesses were bad enough

ionic stratus Nov 10, 2017, 1:48 AM

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@exotic moss Yeah, I'm just trying to remove ONE ENEMY from the possible spawns and that has been a struggle.

#

So good fucking luck

exotic moss Nov 10, 2017, 1:48 AM

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already did that

#

been working for awhile on making submods that plug in

haughty flower Nov 10, 2017, 1:48 AM

#

So I checked out the ZeldaDoom.wad you sent @inner zealot

#

that's some cool shit

ionic stratus Nov 10, 2017, 1:49 AM

#

@exotic moss Oh? I'm just trying to remove Headless Zombies because I think they're stupid and unbalanced when seeded RNG decides to replace nearly EVERY FUCKING ZOMBIE WITH ONE.

exotic moss Nov 10, 2017, 1:49 AM

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yeah it is easy

haughty flower Nov 10, 2017, 1:49 AM

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but I don't like how the game autosaves when I enter a new area

exotic moss Nov 10, 2017, 1:49 AM

#

trial and error

inner zealot Nov 10, 2017, 1:49 AM

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I plan to do away with that later down the line