stupid math
#classic-doom-maps-mods
fresh arch
unreal oyster
uh no because that implies that a >3200 roll is just as likely as a <=3200 roll
royal wave
No it doesn;t
unreal oyster
yes it does, and this chart should show why (xdy follows this pattern) -
as you can see it peaks heavily in the middle
making middle rolls way more likely than off-center rolls
meaning you're way more likely to get something under 3200 than something over 3200
royal wave
but we're talking anything above 3200
unreal oyster
and you have to take that into account when doing the calculations
royal wave
that means there's combined chances
unreal oyster
say we have 2d6 -
as you can see, there are only 6 combinations that make a number >= 10
but 30 that make a number <10
as you increase the amount of dice, that just gets more extreme
so it's not 10/12, it's 6/36, for the 10 example
for >3200 in a 600d8 it'd be x/(8^600), but i'm not going to any lengths to find that value out myself ๐
royal wave
what value is X?
unreal oyster
no idea, that's what i'm not going to be bothered to find out
something really small though
it'd require writing some code, and i don't know of a language that can handle numbers that small well anyway
royal wave
Wish this site would show decimals further down
it doesn't show 0.00 chance until 2919
it can sort the probabilities by at least and at most
unreal oyster
it's probably storing it as a double, which has a minimum positive value of 2^-1074
8^-600 is (2^3)^-600 so 2^-1800
royal wave
but if it's only just barely hitting the third decimal by 2919, then I can't fathom it's as small as we're making it out to be
unreal oyster
i.e. it'd probably need 128-bit floating point
and it would be really small, because you have to consider that the values under 3200 would be adding up all of those 0.7xs, 0.6xs, etc
royal wave
It's more of a once in a blue moon rarity
yeah there's a definite error in calculations here
it's listing 3131 -0.00
unreal oyster
ooh actually
click "export" mode
it shows the values in standard form if they get small enough
3200 is 2.47638627405e-18 of all rolls
royal wave
hang on
it'd be (4800 - 3200)/4800 of the rolls, correct?
that's still a 0.333333333 chance we get the roll we want
unreal oyster
i don't think so but i reckon that i can actually approximate this pretty well now with the "export" mode
royal wave
it's been way too long since I've had to do math like this
I think I'll stick to geometry
unreal oyster
right i wrote a small python script to do it, and by adding up all the calculated probabilities from 3200-4800, i got 1.626619966292913e-17%
if i can trust wolfram, that's 1/6147717479941011390
(roughly)
according to the doom wiki, you can fire a bfg shot 52.5 times in one minute
royal wave
Speedrunners seem to try and hope for a two shot BFG kill
it's possible to "dance" in a way all tracers hit the Cyber
unreal oyster
so that works out to 222791819959 years in a worst case scenario
for 3200 tracer dmg
royal wave
that's hoping the BFG ball does 800 damage
unreal oyster
yeah, when taking the ball into account you multiply it by 8
so 1782334559672 years
(1.8 trillion)
royal wave
you need to get a 4100 if the BFG ball does it's least possible damage
unreal oyster
you mean 3900?
royal wave
idk I'm tired already
unreal oyster
and yeah, i considered that, but the maths actually works out the same as multiplying by 8
since you have P(tracer 3200-3299) * P(ball 800) + P(tracer 3300-3399) * P(ball 700) + ...
the probability of the ball is always 1/8 so you can turn it into one fraction
royal wave
this needs to be made into a video
lavish hollow
This conversation has been going on for at least an hour and a half, damn son
royal wave
you haven't been here long enough to know this is normal for us
lavish hollow
I've been here for like 6 months m80
royal wave
Well obviously that ain't long enough
lavish hollow
And can this be condensed into a 5 minute PowerPoint for my school project pls
royal wave
yes
"El Jefe is an ass"
"also BFG shot can kill a cybie once in a blue moon"
"A powerpoint by kevansevans"
lavish hollow
"Also std:shared"
unreal oyster
btw, i mentioned that those year counts were the worst case scenario, i'm not 100% sure on how to calculate the best case scenario but 1/2 of the worst-case can't be too bad a guess ๐
royal wave
best case scenario it just happens
again, for all we know it could have happened already
unreal oyster
yeah, that's just 1/52.5 minutes
but that's a 1/49181739839528091120 chance so yeah lol
royal wave
Make my mod have alternative fire modes for everything
BFG alternates between it's classic fire mode, and the 10K mode
and I have a pretty original idea for what the chainsaw would do
royal wave
Who said anything about it being completely original
lavish hollow
I mean, your mod should have something that actually sticks out from the rest
royal wave
I have plans
lavish hollow
Not just be the stock standard "cool guy" mod
fresh arch
anyone know a texture for a glass door like for a shop? contemporary style. I dont want to build one from sectors
light prism
why dont you make one
fresh arch
I could. But I would rather find something stock and set down custom textures for the "I'm still not happy with how this looks with stock textures" pass when I assemble a unified texture wad
just curious if anyone has seen one after going through many different texture wads
light prism
i think i might have, but years ago in some ancient wad
fresh arch
lemme know if your memory every jogs, thanks
unkempt wadi
hey @light prism remember when i was like "i'll get back to you about that dodge after classes" and then totally just didn't
light prism
yeah
i'm at work right now
but if you have any reasonably simple questions that i can just answer here
then go for it
unkempt wadi
it's not simple but i can wait
light prism
in the long term, dodging is pretty simple
how did you want to activate, a defined key, or double-tapping?
unkempt wadi
ideally holding a direction and pressing whatever is bound to run
unkempt wadi
for this mod i've basically forced the player into a constant run
light prism
oh okay
welp, you know how to assign an alias in KEYCONF?
you basically want a bind that is going to puke a script
then that script utilizes two things
basically if(input == left arrow) { thrust left }, and vice versa
unkempt wadi
i assume that i'd be checking for input==+left&&+run (or whatever the syntax/names are)
light prism
uh
the proper syntax is
if(GetPlayerInput(-1, INPUT_BUTTONS) & BT_MOVELEFT))
& being bitwise 'includes'
cos of course if you did == it would only work if you were ONLY pressing left
also you wont need to check for run since run is required to execute the script via the bind regardless
so the check would be 'was the key that was just pressed pressed?' which is a little defeatist
unkempt wadi
so the way you're describing would i need to write a seperate script for each direction, and would it handle diagonals?
light prism
uhhhh no just one script
you could make it have an angle parameter that would be set depending on which keys are pressed down, then thrust the player by that angle
ill be at home in a few hours, i can write up an example then
unkempt wadi
that would likely be best; thank you for a starting point, though!
fresh arch
This one took a bit longer to put together but I have another building exterior knocked out
royal wave
Looks good!
shadow bone
I'm getting a very silent-hillish vibe.
fresh arch
I'm going as 1:1 with the block bar neely is on as I can given the limitations of he engines
have SH2 open in another window for reference
so far the proportions are pretty close
But I will run into issues where I need to get creative on the back side of the block as there is an apparent apartment building whose placement was apparently not well thought out on the other side, as well as a parking lot which should exist behind that shop and its not clear how they were actually supposed to fit. But when its crunch time to finish that exterior I'll figure it out
aditionally, if you note the corner cut of those glass windows: This will likely result in a potential problem as it will result in a portal that looks through 1 or 2 other portals and it is unknown if this will result in a graphical defect that will force me to fully obscure one of those windows
aditionally I'm probably going to need to modify doomguy's POV a bit higher as hes currently child-size. Or maybe i planned it that way i dunno but probably not
sand temple
I'm liking your screenshots so far.
fresh arch
Its befinitely a big project though. I'll keep posting pics here as I progress
light prism
nah doomguys regular size, its just his eyes are where his nipples should be, and the gun sprouts out of his navel
velvet cave
Damn, wonder what I'm doing wrong...?
Could someone tell me what I'm doing wrong here? The sprite doesn't show up.
In case you must know, I'm using SLADE.
unkempt wadi
acc is yelling at me that the input_buttons identifier has not been declared when i'm 90% sure that's not something i need to do since i'm using it as a parameter for getplayerinput
i mean the script doesn't work anyway but i'd like to know i'm capable of compiling it
light prism
if(GetPlayerInput(-1, INPUT_BUTTONS) & BT_MOVELEFT)
it looks like this?
you remembered to #include zcommon.acs, right?
@velvet cave - either misreferenced or misnamed sprite
velvet cave
The DECORATE script, as of now:
{
health 15
inventory.maxamount 25
inventory.icon "RPOTA"
inventory.pickupmessage "You pocketed a red potion."
+COUNTITEM
+FLOATBOB
states
{
Spawn:
RPOT A -1
stop
}
}```Oh, so it requires the number too?
light prism
it might
velvet cave
Gonna check.
velvet cave
Nope, doesn't show.
unkempt wadi
what's the discord markdown for code so i can shove acs in your faces
unkempt wadi
either side or just at the beginning?
light prism
both
velvet cave
Should I go ahead and upload it so you people can see what I did wrong?
unkempt wadi
ah
velvet cave
and maybe fix my goof since I am out of practice?
unkempt wadi
i start the script off with int buttons = getplayerinput(-1, input_buttons); and then have a terrible disgusting cascade of conditionals checking which other directions are being pressed
light prism
i would just have an 'angle' variable that gets adjusted by which button is pressed
via a switch block or somethin'
alternately you could forgo this entirely and instead just thrust by the direction of current movement
though that might feel a bit clumsier
unkempt wadi
i'll put my code in a pastebin and link it here, and you can read and correct it at your liesure since you're at work and i'm about to leave my comp as well
the force is 30 just so when i get it working i'll know for sure, and keep in mind i've written an actual script only once before a few months ago and i scrapped it https://pastebin.com/Fp4nshBG
light prism
ok uh
your if chain starts out wrong
for starters, you dont need to check for bt_speed, since the speed/run button is what youll be using to execute the script to start with
the script cant run without it being pressed, you dont need to check it
also dont use == when checking for buttons, use &
the difference being == 'is equal to' and & 'includes'
unkempt wadi
i switched between == and & like 5 times before settling on == wow
light prism
ALSO
this is acting like a function, you hit a button, it runs, does its shit, and terminates
hence having the 'cooldown' inside of the script doesnt make sense
youll probably need to externalize that using an inventory item or a user variable on the player actor
also, your while loop with the cooldown there means that cooldown will never be less than coolmax
i would remove cooldown stuff entirely until you have the base dash working
light prism
actually you could forgo using a variable or anything
have the activation be a seperate script that calls ACS_Execute(your dash script here)
then have the dash script have a Delay(desired cooldown in tics)
at the end
ACS_Execute wont run it if its already running
hence, inherent cooldown
something like this
i probs made mistake somewhere
like i probably need to convert type from GetActorAngle
also the way my ifs are set up, holding left will always override any other direction
this is a simple four-directional method
however given dashing is usually left or right on your current vector
I dont see that being an issue
unkempt wadi
i'll give this a go when i'm back home
unkempt wadi
so i'm trying to find a way to have any key bound to run call the script, but every result i find is just explaining how bind a key in keyconfig which isn't what i'm looking for
light prism
KEYCONF
unkempt wadi
okay but what do i put there, all the resources i'm finding explain defaultbind which isn't what i want to use
cause i tried that with my last attempt at this and it did weird things with keybinds when loading other mods so i just want to have it look for essentially bt_speed
light prism
ok my words wrong
unkempt wadi
at the most basic level
light prism
i get it
unkempt wadi
yeah it's not the easiest thing to explain
unkempt wadi
i'm looking to have the run button that the player already has set run the script, not define a new button to call it
light prism
not gonna happen jimmy
unless you revert to your old method
you can have it bound to the same key though, you know
better to have a key on the controls menu that says 'dodge' though to make it perfectly clear ๐
unkempt wadi
last time i set a defaultbind the game kinda freaked out and not only didn't bind automatically but because i bound it to shift i had to rebind run when loading doom without the mod
so idk how that fuckin worked but
but yea i guess i'll just suck it up and do this
light prism
this is frill anyway, as long as the dodge code is in and works, you can activate it however the fudge you want later
i prefer to add a new button for 'move assist', so i can add other shit like ledge grab, walljump, etc
and have it all contextual
unkempt wadi
addmenukey "Dodge" dodge
alias dodge "puke execute_dash"
defaultbind shift dodge```is there anything wrong here
light prism
pukename
light prism
PUKENAME
light prism
uhhhh yeah
youll need to put the code into a library
so that it can execute from any map
unkempt wadi
acc wants a semicolon after the ifs and before the parantheticals in the conditionals and i
light prism
which i have partially forgotten how to do
because i use gdcc where everything is basically a library
pastebin current version plox
light prism
playsound is missing semicolon
that is probs what acc is complaining about
when a semicolon is missing it errors on the next line (or the next function call if theres no newline)
light prism
there is nothing wrong with the if block
from a syntactic viewpoint at least
imma leaving work in like 10 mins
unkempt wadi
great it compiled and didn't tell me where to
light prism
haha
by default it should output an .o with the same filename i guess
are you manually compiling?
unkempt wadi
i'm using slade to compile
light prism
ok
at the top of the script
put uhhh
#library "WHATEVERNAMEHERE"
#library "DODGE" or whatever
compile it, rename the compiled file to the same thing
move that file to pk3\acs\
in the pk3 root, create a file called LOADACS, and the only thing that should contain is the same word again
DODGE or whatever you call it
for reference
dont worry about importing or anything atm, you just want to define it as a library and have LOADACS recognize it
ok hometime :3
unkempt wadi
okay the script functions but the directions are fucky
i can't really find much rhyme or reason but also if i press the button without holding a direction it just launches me east instead of doing nothing
yeah it just seems to thrust me at random angles
oh hey i managed to fix it myself
you didn't convert the fixed angle that getactorangle returns into the byte angle that thrustthing takes
light prism
yeah i figured that would be the case
gdcc does things a bit differently, it has strict cast types, so you wouldnt have that problem there
(youd have other problems instead, but they'd be immediately obvious)
oh in regards to thrusting when not pressing any other buttons, i guess you'll need to do a premature check to see if any movement keys are being pressed and if so, terminate
@unkempt wadi
unkempt wadi
would i be able to use something like if (buttons != bt_forward || bt_back || bt_moveleft || bt_moveright) { terminate; }
light prism
nop
unkempt wadi
dang
light prism
if(!(buttons & BT_FORWARD) && !(buttons & BT_BACK...
etc
'if none of these are true'
light prism
just remember buttons is a bitfield
when you press a key it adds a bit value to the bitfield
since you can press multiple keys at once, its never going to EQUAL the value of a key unless ONLY that key is being pressed
inversely, it's going to not equal that key even if that key is being pressed, but only if another key is also being pressed
thats why bitwise functions exist
you want to ask it 'if this button is included in the currently pressed buttons'
trim falcon
If you make an artificial mouse
is it possible to move the mouse while PROP_TOTALLYFROZEN
light prism
yes
that is the smart thing to do if you want to put some kind of ingame hud
er gui
the compromise is to lock the players pitch/angle and still allow movement, depends what you're making
unreal oyster
It's the smart thing to do if you can't use ZScript, you mean :P
If you have ZScript as an option it has a built in menu system so you don't need to control the players control manually
You still need to roll your own GUI framework (or at least use ZZYZX' ZGUI thing) but at least you no longer need to handle controls
fresh arch
i got a gzdoombuilder specific question because a particular piece of geometry is driving me nuts
I need to copy and mirror (not rotate) a sector, is there a way to do this?
unreal oyster
yeah there's a way https://i.imgur.com/YmrXpke.png
you can press the three arrows in the top-right for more precise transformations
i just have that panel open permanently since it's fairly useful
@fresh arch
fresh arch
Thanks a bunch
Since i wrote that i saw i could drag inverse a selection, but doing precisely is super useful and timesaving
I had wasted an hour trying to figure out how to manually place individual vertixes with math
fresh arch
scale -100 on the relevant axis is what i just did, seemed to work. Good to know this feature exists
light prism
yeah
clicking one button is quicker though
should be not far beneath the 'transform' options
unreal oyster
oh shit, yeah there is heh
fresh arch
nothing i do is quick ๐ฆ
but to be fair i waste more than 50% of my time finding ideal placeholder textures that i intend to replace anyway
and making them pixel perfect in alignment
fresh arch
yeah but i wanna post screenshots here from time to time updating what im working on, which requires the textures to at least impressionistically represent what I am trying to do later
light prism
illegally acquire photoshop, make your own textures
sand temple
Photoshop CS2 is free from Adobe's website
lavish hollow
You can also use GIMP 2
shadow bone
It's not "free"
light prism
trial?
shadow bone
They just turned off the activation check servers because it's so old, but they had to keep the software up because lots of business clients still need it supported.
So nothing stops you from just downloading and using it
But they're very clear you're not supposed to
and they could go after you for it if they wanted
(which they probably won't because let's face it, you're just one person and piracy arguably helps them maintain mindshare, but still)
sand temple
I could have sworn Adobe said it was free to use and they basically don't care.
But it does keep asking you to register when you open it.
It's hard to find on their site now, but they like to re-do their site and move shit around every six months.
shadow bone
Yeah, they've made the link very hard to find, and you have to have an adobe account to download it.
Personally I'd say just use GIMP
It's got 95% of the features
lavish hollow
Imo it's a little tough to get used to at the start, but it's a great application
haughty flower
yea
lavish hollow
'Tis all about that personal preference... Probably
sand temple
GIMP works just as well, sure
light prism
for someone used to photoshops hotkeys, gimp can be frustrating
fresh arch
those are all fair points, but I waste entire days dragging lines and making textures from scratch would arguably take longer
light prism
filter->clouds x5
new layer, filter->clouds x5
adjust blending
add some borders
done
fresh arch
easier to just size my placeholder textures to sorta look how i want them to and then say fuck it i'll do it later
when the line drawing is the most important part anyway
light prism
when i do that i either use selection and copy/paste white rectoids and transform them as necessary, then use layer effects to border em
or drag out guide lines
fresh arch
So anyway this is the next building, its smaller than the last few, but the 45 degree angles were a pain so it took a while. I'm just texture hunting now
unreal oyster
why were they a pain? you can just draw it on the grid, and do a 45 degree rotate
fresh arch
yeah, that wasnt a problem but i needed to make 45 degree connector blocks between them
which led to a bunch of vertexes being midway even at 0.125 scale so i had to finangle
looks great after i got that sorted tho
fresh arch
nothing in principal once youve done it before, I just had to figure it out experimentally because I didn't know how to do it before i did
This was my solution. Others may have a better or more elegant one but it works for me
light prism
oh
you mean you were having trouble making sectors have the right thickness on angles?
the answer is to push one half of your current grid snap inwards on edges
which it appears you have done
fresh arch
I started out with a box i cut one corner off of and then i tried smoothing it out until i got that
fresh arch
drawing line problem that crop up are the fun of doom mapping for me
light prism
the fun is trying to fit as many phallic sectors into your map as possible without it being noticeable
fresh arch
middle textures blow up the world of possibilities up
everything you want becomes possible without having to resort to decals
fresh arch
what do you mean by flatsprites?
light prism
+FLATSPRITE on an actor
create textural variation (faux splatmaps), fog, effects
or use it for your monster that sinks into the ground as a shadow or something, whatever
you can also use pitch and roll parameters to offset em
as well as change those values in its decorate to do some crazy stuff
royal wave
You know you've made a really good scary mod when you know everything to expect, and it still scares the bejebus out of you
prisma saddle
Playsound("PIANOSLAM")
light prism
playsound("sonic.exe")
prisma saddle
playsound("Claronettesolo")
light prism
velvet cave
Whoa, @light prism , that looks cool.
velvet cave
Is that animated gif link from a Doom mod?
light prism
yeah
velvet cave
Hot damn, the modding community CONTINUES to impress me.
velvet cave
The Doom modding community continues to impress me.
I'm saying that because I was BORN with Doom.
Like vanillia Doom.
velvet cave
Nice, much better than the isometric Pac-Man I've played in Doom before.
haughty flower
Looks cool.
velvet cave
Someone apparently did some fanart featuring D'sparil on a date. Ooookay.
velvet cave
Welcome to the longest running community, kept alive via mods!
haughty flower
Sounds the same as Half-Life.
velvet cave
Doom preceded Half-Life by a margin.
It's a lovely game, honestly.
You should try it out/play some mods of it. :3
prisma saddle
@light prism looks pretty rad.
royal wave
I think I might make my horror mod a TC and sell it o-o
light prism
is it that horrorful
royal wave
No I mean it's like... I've always wanted to make a game
and the Doom engine I'm super familiar with and really comfortable making tools for
and I have something tangible I've been working on
shadow bone
Is it that voxel one?
shadow bone
I dunno, whatever you've been posting that had voxel-like weapons, I guess
I wasn't following too close
royal wave
That's not me
shadow bone
Huh, I thought for sure it was
Nevermind then
Be interested to see what you've got going though
royal wave
Mines the spooky dark place
shadow bone
I must have missed it so far
shadow bone
Yeah, for a couple more hours
royal wave
Alright, I'll link you the mod so you can check it out
shadow bone
Sweet
sand temple
That voxel thing is Revulsion by @pallid yoke
light prism
@royal wave - sure thing
i want to do the same really
i feel like fps horror is a bit played out now though
so you better bring something fresh to the table
royal wave
Mmmm I'm kinda tackling it from a different angle
So yeah it might be a bit cliche, but the style, I believe, is a breath of fresh air
I'll link it to you as well
pallid yoke
I am working on a game in the Unreal 4 engine that has a voxel aesthetic
royal wave
And it's a pretty swell game too!
pallid yoke
๐
pallid yoke
I plan to have a new build up on steam very soon actually.
fresh arch
@royal wave you should do it. Once youve stripped out all doom assets I'm failty certain their is a GPL compliant verstion of gzdoom you could package the pk3 with. Humble bundle that shit to multi thousands of dollars yo
royal wave
Yeah I think I will
shadow bone
Current release version of GZDoom should be 100% GPL, last I checked
(not a lawyer though)
You just need to delete the "extras" pk3
royal wave
yup
though I can't seem to get custom IWAD support to work. Will need to figure it out
fresh arch
make sure to not release until youve made a website and launched a kickstarter for your already finished game to pay for "publishing expenses" to ensure your profit beforehand
then delay a few months
royal wave
why kickstarter
fresh arch
free money beforehand
royal wave
ew
fresh arch
since youve already developed
fresh arch
think of it as "pre-orders"
fresh arch
the rewards are easy, print some labels and ship it with a a:\ drive floppy disk
if you gibbe 100 bux
if you gibbe 1000 bux i'll send a printed map/walthrough for the game
its collectible
just spitballing ideas
the internet is a money machine you just gotta hype
hype is life
ipo a development studio for further doom mods
make millions from investors
release a new one after that
fail to return money to investors
development studio goes down in flames, you are remote from its bankruptcy having sold all your interest to investors
fresh arch
congratulations you are now id software tier
royal wave
Fucking play the mod I sent you :P
fresh arch
hang on gotta restart, i think i broke the script by pressing the button in the glass lobby before the voice was done talking
holy shit this is fantastic
if you blinged out the map with unnecessary detail since that demo was created you got a cacoward
royal wave
<3
lavish hollow
what about my ompa lompa
dusk flare
It would be easy, just add three pixels and there you go.
inner zealot
3D floors ain't that complicated once you get it down
light prism
wee willy winkus 3d floor?
inner zealot
I'm going to pretend I don't know what you're talking about.
Currently reorganizing my Quake/Doom stuff
light prism
3d floors are easy beazey
inner zealot
Gets weird when you start sloping them
light prism
only if you dont understand whats actually happening
slopes originate at the control sector
so you have to place it in accordance with that vector
light prism
its not weird though
it makes sense
sectors originate from the control, sector slopes originate from the control
inner zealot
What took me longer to figure out line portals
My copy of GZDoom Builder didn't recognize the linedef
Which was more of a roadblock than it should've been.
They're fun.
trim falcon
yes
pearl sundial
yes
trim falcon
archvile love to make monster jump
inner zealot
I, personally, haven't seen it.
lavish hollow
@inner zealot MATE WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN
and yeah I think I've seen mods with enemies that do that
inner zealot
I disappear for lengthy periods of time, sometime.
royal wave
Spoooooooky
inner zealot
Zelda Doom isn't dead, by the way.
I haven't been working on it, though
Partially because lazy and partly because it's in pieces and I'm just now getting it all back together
Trying to get it all on one computer
So I don't have to move it all over the place.
lavish hollow
Same here with Evil Doom, btw
But that's actually because of school
And also I recently kinda got locked away from my computer, hopefully I can get it back soon
lavish hollow
Oh and check your DMs, I sent you a couple things
inner zealot
Oh, does anyone here have any experience using 3D models in GZDoom?
lavish hollow
Most I've done is voxels
inner zealot
This is understandable.
lavish hollow
Some kind of survival game?
light prism
boothoosdoo
light prism
I have a leak on your face
pearl sundial
light prism
lavish hollow
spoiders
prisma saddle
That muscular demon thing is doing a jig.
light prism
he's labouring to breathe in a tomb that hasnt been opened in centuries
(even though the torch flames are doing fine)
prisma saddle
Oh.
unkempt wadi
is there a way for defaultbind to work if the key i want to bind is already bound
light prism
man
just do what i did
have a key labelled 'move assist'
its not the end of the world
someone should do a realistic dungeon/tomb rpg thing where you do unearth some ancient tomb and you light a torch and die instantly as the gas pockets explode
i know theres a minecraft mod that makes unlinked caves have no oxygen, and gas pockets and such
inner zealot
Torches are impractical for lighting.
light prism
depends what kind of torch brooooo
lavish hollow
Not the British kind
light prism
@inner zealot did you need some help with getting models to work or something?
inner zealot
Nothing in particular right now
I've failed to figure them out on my own.
I was trying to port over some assets from a Quake mod.
inner zealot
MDLs from a Quake 1 mod that I can convert over to md2
I don't have any of it on this computer (even if I did, it's Linux)
light prism
ah yep
inner zealot
I'll get back to when I have all my mod stuff in one place
unkempt wadi
@light prism the move assist key thing doesnโt even matter at this point itโs that i donโt want to either have to tell people โoh hey you need to bind this critical feature yourself, donโt forget!โ or put it on an obscure key that might be bound already anyway
unkempt wadi
you wanna try that again or
light prism
holy shit
how did that even happen
youll probs want to switch to a different method
Script "DashCheckKey" ENTER { while(1) { Delay(1); if(GetPlayerInput(-1, INPUT_BUTTONS) & BT_SPEED) ACS_NamedExecute("DashScript", 0); } }
this will permabind to run key
unkempt wadi
they're the one who taught me that
royal wave
get back to work
light prism
shush your mouthlips
neat oyster
can you do c++ things in doomscript
unreal oyster
doomscript isn't a thing, mate, i assume you're referring to ZScript?
neat oyster
for some reason it ate (or appeared to from my end) what I said after which was "optional arguments in user functions"
yeah doomscript
neat oyster
ah rip
unreal oyster
but yeah it can do a lot of C++ things like optional arguments
neat oyster
that's super neat
is the best documentation still just the zdoom wiki or is there another compilation of that big thread or best bet is just that one big zdoom thread
unreal oyster
to be completely honest, the best documentation for people who are already programmers (like i assume you are) is to just read through the zscript folder in gzdoom.pk3
the wiki is heavily WIP for zscript stuff because graf doesn't document it himself :/
so it's kind of been up to the users to do that, and there's not really a single person who knows enough about the language as a whole to feel comfortable doing that task
light prism
or who is capable of describing things in a non-convoluted manner
unreal oyster
yeah that too
knowing a language is one thing, explaining it in an easy way is another thing
lavish hollow
i just got flashbacks of when you were "explaining" that coding to caligari the other day
light prism
press f to stuff you yourself
zinc egret
I'm just gonna scrap my "Office Complex" map
light prism
dont do it, you have so much to live for, etc
zinc egret
I already have other projects held up and there is a lot of tedious cut/paste since I made an elaborate staircase and elevator to simulate floor over floor
light prism
do whatever makes your penis happy
zinc egret
That and the bits of ongoing work on RDND
haughty flower
What happened?
royal wave
Youtube flagged my video with a copyright claim of a song I didn't use
haughty flower
Weird.
red peak
This is why we don't get robots to do anything more than manual labor.
royal wave
Good the dispute went through and the claim is no longer present
prisma saddle
Youtube's bots seem to be built to be god awful.
This is why we don't release broken systems onto people.
light prism
@royal wave - i thought I heard some ambient music from another game
i couldnt put my finger on it
royal wave
Possibly. But it's royalty free sounds I got off of Reddit
But the song it thought it was? Not even close
light prism
must be fairly similar if their idenification system picked it up
light prism
that's just a small section of the map
stars also have different types but i didnt make new graphics yet
haughty flower
@light prism don't tell me you made tihs in doom engine
inner zealot
ZDoom or GZDoom?
lavish hollow
what about odamex
light prism
no thanks, i already had breakfast
lavish hollow
not omelette
unkempt wadi
try to draw new sprite for weapon
takes an hour
still have 3 more to do just for that weapon
i might do this another way
prisma saddle
Draw faster
haughty flower
eat the pencil and puke gun
light prism
strikeout text is for hobos
lavish hollow
ur a hobo
dusk flare
#rekt
royal wave
Is it just me or are polyobjects fucked in GZDoom Builder?
light prism
what do you mean
royal wave
I can't seem to make more than 2
I can't assign poly object numbers
my only choices are 0 and 270
adding a third anchor just automatically ties it to 0 or 270
wait I get the stupid thing now
that's just... wow really dumb
knotty plaza
look good for an unfinished first room?
knotty plaza
nevermind again moving it
haughty flower
Not mazey enough.
inner zealot
Not mazey enough? Use portals
The latest version of GZDoom is just weird
I'm downgrading (again)
light prism
seriously?
what is wrong with you
it doesnt contain any new features that conflict with old ones, or which can't simply be turned off
inner zealot
It's not a feature thing, really.
I don't know
OH
I didn't mean GZDoom
Meant GZDoom Builder
Newest version of GZDoom is amazing
Work of art, really
light prism
what do you think is weird with new gzdoombuilder?
i know they changed up some of the panels a bit
royal wave
probably the fact they haven't brought back the old texture browser
inner zealot
I might actually not have the newest version
You know how, in the 3D preview, whatever you look at is highlighted? It doesn't do that for me.
Not really a major issue, just weird
light prism
press H you dip.wad
lavish hollow
he'll fucking try, give the man a chance
light prism
+tries to press H, fails+
lavish hollow
we playing dnd or something
lavish hollow
Maybe he has a 1 key keyboard
light prism
every key is tilde
inner zealot
Various combinations of shift and tilde.
prisma saddle
You have to hit the key ten times to get a J
Maybe keyboards are like that in Old Zealand.
lavish hollow
H = โโโโโโโโ B A start
red peak
Alt+F4
lavish hollow
Alt + delet system32
light prism
really, all 32 of them?
light prism
what terrain generator
trim falcon
blender terrain generator
trim falcon
32k sector
light prism
ok thats pretty insane
trim falcon
tried to make a full map
light prism
my map is 32k squared at 6000 sectors
light prism
why don't you decimate the terrain before importing to gzdb
trim falcon
will try it
haughty flower
That's Doom?
light prism
23fps but that is a massive distance youre looking at
light prism
it has a trial
but yeah it can only export at 1/4th the scale you'd require in doom, so I've been patching it up with manual photoshop editing
trim falcon
i see
inner zealot
Doesn't the collision for terrain like that suck?
red peak
Succ
red peak
According to Caligari, bumpy terrain really fucks with the player's speed and acceleration.
prisma saddle
Might be an issue with how ZDOOM handles slopes.
prisma saddle
And not the speed of a train.
haughty flower
Doomguy the train engine
haughty flower
why does doomguy go at 500mph
Well, Gordon does too in HL1 @haughty flower
nah
not that fast
try pressing shift in Doom
and shift in hl1
hl1 actually coded +speed to make you slow
Reminds me of Wolfenstein 3D
lavish hollow
Shift in doom makes me go slower
haughty flower
^
small granite
GZDoom (and other source ports) defaults to always run being true, so shift makes you walk instead of run.
haughty flower
Probably from CoD.
lavish hollow
clap OH SHIT
umbral sail
Call of Dooty
lavish hollow
Fuckin' sick burn, bro
umbral sail
royal wave
Uh no they don't default to shift = run slower
Always run is a setting you have to toggle on
Source: Have had to run from defaults several billion times and have all the settings I used memorized
haughty flower
i have Always Run off by default @Dangerskew#2019
@El Jefe#7422 if you talk about burning me again, i'll burn you on my stove ๐
lol
inner zealot
I prefer always run on for Quake, but not Doom.
unreal oyster
i used to play with autorun off but that's probably not too good for your fingers
having shift pressed all the time can't be a good hand position lol
so i turned autorun on and just got used to it
if you're more of a walking kinda guy then it'd be the other way round of course
dusk flare
I feel i prefer to walk and look around to avoid any ambush
But i still jumped in some levels. Them darn imps poppin from the corners...
light prism
it depends on the game really
in doom i see no reason to not NOT be running
walking doenst help you avoid shit easier
dusk flare
Idk at least it helps me to be readier with the weapons or to check the perimeter
lavish hollow
@haughty flower learn how to tag
light prism
yeah boi lern 2 tag +sprays illegible bullshit on a brick wall+
haughty flower
@El Jefe#7422 dude, you know discord fucks up and doesnt properly tag sometimes
do you want me to do this: @lavish hollow
light prism
test
haughty flower
@Crypto#5011 use ```
light prism
use the triple tilde technique
lavish hollow
@haughty flower only time I've failed to tag someone was when I myself fuck it up, lol
haughty flower
@lavish hollow it bugs for me
see, now it tagged you
when ppl are offline it seems to fail to properly tag
lavish hollow
I tag offline people all the time lol
unreal oyster
I was awake anyway so no worries :P
lavish hollow
But really, I tag people who are offline all the time
zinc egret
Hellbrary 2 isn't dead.
lavish hollow
Hellbrary? What pit of hell did that name come out of
Oh i'm sorry, pit of Tartarus
light prism
Pit of late fees
zinc egret
lol
Here's the original Hellbrary of mine: https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/g-i/helllibr
Posting a map comparison between it and V2 in progress
It's just over 50% done here.
unkempt wadi
can anyone here answer musical mod-dev questions cause i'm having trouble pinning a genre for the title theme for my mod because i actually lack the tools to do what i really want which is basically electronic djent
unkempt wadi
that's fair
what sort of sound should i go for since i can't make electronic djent?
now that's a question
unkempt wadi
fuck dude if you're up to it
unkempt wadi
i was thinking more tonally similar to kitcaliber's "neverland soundgirls" album, but with more actual djenting than they do https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_nGQHsBxv4
light prism
i dont really have any examples on hand of djenting
but ill see what i can do when i get home
light prism
anddd home
lavish hollow
howdy
haughty flower
Anyone able to give me a hand with something?
royal wave
what's up? @haughty flower
haughty flower
Something weird with Doom seeker/ Zandronum LAN i havent been able to figure out
Both see each over lan, and confirm wads and load up, but the other will just say connecting forever and never connect to host. Tried hosting from both ends. All ports and wads and jazz are fine
royal wave
I'm fathoming a guess, you don't have the port number at the end of the IP address?
haughty flower
Nope shes there
royal wave
are you two trying to connect while a game has already started, or just booted up zand?
haughty flower
Nah both are idle nothing going. Straight from Doom seeker, No master server, Brodcast to LAn enabled
royal wave
player count set correctly?
haughty flower
Max allowed defaualt of 8 set, only attempting to set up 2 for me and a freind for a lan party next week. Hosting in the Past online has worked fine. Just trying to lan it this time
royal wave
I guess as an alternative, you can use hamachi
Trying to remember different reasons why it'd hang on a connection
haughty flower
The issue is from doom seeker I am having trouble connecting two together for a lan party in house. But if i do it through console i for lan it works fine. Ive checked over and over to make sure doom seeker is correct though. It loads in and then just sits on Connecting forever
livid hearth
@haughty flower Are you both actually on the same LAN network?
haughty flower
yeah its just me in my home office
My home net work both connected to my router through cat6 straight up
haughty flower
Yeah i felt like ive been doing something stupid for the last few hours so i thought id come on and just see if theres a quirk i dont know. Ive hosted online servers from home all the time, but i never thought a private lan at home through doom seeker would kick my ass
Thanks though guys
royal wave
I think it's doomseeker being dumb
wary zealot
I'm learning doom modding and I'm quite a beginner.
I've been trying to put a sound in sndinfo for an hour now and I can't get it to properly register.
Can anyone help?
light prism
lumpname nicename
are you in a pk3 or a wad?
if pk3, under sounds\
if wad, not inside any markers
wary zealot
pk3.
light prism
ok, put it under sounds\ folder
wary zealot
Did that already.
light prism
just to make sure, make the filename under 8 characters long
wary zealot
I'm trying to reference the sound in the sndinfo and it won't work.
Can it be equal to 8 characters long?
Or does it need to be 7 or below?
wary zealot
well, then I don't know what the hell is happening.
my sndinfo is literally just one line. with one sound.
light prism
show me your current line
light prism
have you tried 'playsound pistolfi1' in console?
wary zealot
I have, says the sound doesn't exist.
if the sound is within a folder that's within the "sounds" folder, do I need to include the folder in the filename for the sound inside sndinfo?
because I tried that before and it still did nothing.
light prism
ahhhhh
yeah put it in sounds\ root
i had issues with that too
i think you need to do like "sounds\folder\whatevs\this\blah"
in quotes
wary zealot
oh.
it.
it has to be in quotes.
why the fuck didn't I think of that.
sorry, I'm just a bit pissed off at both myself and sndinfo.
light prism
also make sure the slash is right way
i think its /
one of the slashes is used as a frame reference
and will break everything
wary zealot
Ah.
Question, does the filename/nicename need to be case sensitive?
In either soundinfo or code?
light prism
it shouldnt
wary zealot
the line in my sound info looks like this.
"pistol/pistolfi1" "pistolfi1"
is this right.
the sounds aren't in root, they're in the pistol folder within sounds.
light prism
"sounds/pistol/pistolfi1.ogg"
or .wav or what have you
nicename doesnt need quotes
only a full path + filename does
wary zealot
It still says it isn't a sound.
This is really pissing me off, I'm sorry for bugging you with it.
light prism
screw it then
put it in just the base 'sounds' folder
remove quotes and path, return to your original method
wary zealot
I don't get it.
There's no reason this shouldn't be working.
I put them in the base sounds folder,
The filename and nickname are exact.
Playsound still doesn't say it's a sound.
light prism
user error?
triple check the filenames and the labels in sndinfo
ensure you are loading the pk3 and not a previous version
wary zealot
Checked everything.
It's all where it should be.
The sounds all play fine outside of the game.
light prism
what do you mean by 'it says its not a sound'
like it literally pops up 'not a sound' in the console?
if you try to playsound?
wary zealot
yep.
you know, I'm a moron, so maybe I should just send what I have to you in a file so you can check to see what I've done wrong.
light prism
sorry i'm at owrk
wary zealot
Because I have no idea why this isn't working but it's probably obvious to someone who knows wha-
light prism
actually about to go home
wary zealot
ah, okay.
lavish hollow
@wary zealot idk if you're learning from this site already but it's worth a shot gunlabs.blogspot.com
wary zealot
I am learning from that site, but thanks.
livid hearth
@wary zealot The file path is just a virtual path
as long as it's in the sounds folder it should be fine
the filename itself, though, needs to have the extension matching the format
so if it's a vorbis audio file
you need to keep the .ogg in the file name
light prism
i did mention that already
livid hearth
but in the snd info you just need the virtual path and the filename without extension
light prism
that depends