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#classic-doom-maps-mods
zinc egret
First screenshot is my room
mellow lava
is there an exit button in that house map
royal wave
What sort of house doesn't have an exit button?
zinc egret
It's not done LOL
royal wave
How does one leave an enter?
zinc egret
My plan was to make a full exterior
zinc egret
The SKY2 use was just placeholder to know where to put windows
vocal crypt
you don't have a SKY2 curtain drape?
zinc egret
I'd need a transparent texture for that
vocal crypt
tf is a texture?
sin't that associated with taste of food?
*isn't
I AM KIDDING
Glaice
zinc egret
I know lol
The scale of it is much larger otherwise it's be super cramped
My room would be more like 256x192x128 units wide
hallow wraith
I like how your level looks
zinc egret
I just ran out of steam as I was prepping up my parents' room.
hallow wraith
I wish i could map more than just one or a few rooms before running out of steam
pearl sundial
I wish i could map
zinc egret
I tried to do a megachurch from the bible belt somewhere
I got the auditorium, the unhighlighted area and a little bit of the purple area done. Oh and the outside.
Let me get some screens
vocal crypt
just more plans to shoot up a church /s
pearl sundial
lol
hallow wraith
do you have any advice for making complete maps?.... All i can do is make a few good looking rooms but have no idea how to make the rest of the map
vocal crypt
^, I only get so far before I give up
zinc egret
I'm not the best at advice tbh
Motivation is the most important thing
It was meant for a tribute for the late Ty Halderman
hallow wraith
My problem is have no idea what to make for rest of the map or how to plan out the rest of the map
zinc egret
Ideas are important, so can playing other maps to get inspiration from.
IIRC, I made a WIP video for the church level
prisma saddle
Just, make some rooms, but do gameplay first and detail later.
hallow wraith
I really like Community Chest 4 and Japanese community project maps.... I kinda want to make a map like the ones in those wads
pearl sundial
ive been playing doom for like 14 years and ive never made a map
zinc egret
My first editor I stuck with was DCK
I couldn't do vertex then line, I had to line drawing
hallow wraith
Ive made rooms... ive never made a good full map because i don't how to plan it out
Im better at detailing rooms than making actual maps
twin mulch
for me
it's easier when you begin with a concept
like a premise
for what you're doing
and what the player is doing
and build from that
hallow wraith
Like a theme?
zinc egret
A theme helps
vocal crypt
eh, mine is escaping some Castle Wolfenstein thingy
hallow wraith
how do I make a concept?
unkempt wadi
do you think people would get mad at me if i made all of the music in a wad *.wav files
hallow wraith
I want to make some kinda of Toxic Asteroid Base map
vocal crypt
Y
unkempt wadi
wav is what i save all of my tracks as because i need lossless formats to upload to my bandcamp and back when i started fl studio only supported wav for lossless so i'm just in that habit now
zinc egret
For lossless, that's fine, but use MP3 or OGG for a more reasonable size for music in distribution in a WAD/PK3
unkempt wadi
does gzdoom know what flac is
unkempt wadi
if ogg doesn't end up working out for me i might go with flac, mp3 does weird things regarding weird gaps of silence so i'll have to see if ogg does something similar
zinc egret
OGG and FLAC support looping
unkempt wadi
radicool
zinc egret
That's why my custom music WAD is mostly OGG
unkempt wadi
i wish i could play guitar or had a decent guitar vst, then i could make the ost have some respectable amount of butt-rock instead of having to ask my friend to help me with the title theme
hallow wraith
Im still trying to come up with a concept
unkempt wadi
i'm basing my mod around a character i made a while back
instead of working on the manga i started immediately after making the character
hallow wraith
That sounds like a great idea... I might do something like that around my characters
:3
royal wave
Don't use slade for map building
Slade is a strong asset editor and manager with a somewhat functional map editor
Use GZDoom Builder instead https://devbuilds.drdteam.org/gzdbbf/
It'll handle that node builder stuff for you
vocal crypt
yes, but not map making.
GZDoom Builder handles level making and scripts
SLADE handles the actual "coding"
twin mulch
right so, do I just not give it a path?
twin mulch
vocal crypt
UDMF prob.
royal wave
UDMF
anything else and you won't have full access to the sort of cool stuff that comes with GZDoom
royal wave
why is your goal a raspberry pi
twin mulch
or maybe it will, I'll have to buy one to test
because the kind of game I want to make should be able to run on a raspberry pi, like, there's no reason for it not to
warped rampart
If I can’t run DOOM2016 on a Raspberry Pi, I will start WWIII
zinc egret
I am rewriting the ending messages for RDND's next version.
twin mulch
@rocky cloud so do you just like, set out to do specific things and figure out how to do those?
I'm still looking for like, guides/tutorials but they're all for doing specific things
setting up foolproof monster teleports and shit but never like
ughh even finding a guide to how the basics of the engine works is like, beyond me somehow
rocky cloud
i do most of my stuff in ACS and decorate, the zdoom wiki usually has anything i'm looking for
zinc egret
Episode 1 rewritten
zinc egret
unkempt wadi
anyone know how to make a simple dodge/dash script? i.e. pressing a direction twice to dodge/dash that direction a short distance
keen stirrup
hello is there way to make say a archvile spawn in a active state so he can start healing enemies the moment he spawns?
twin mulch
GZDoom would have no issue with moving platforms and stuff right?
twin mulch
horizontally
unreal oyster
nah, that's impossible
twin mulch
I thought you guys were saying GZDoom could do pretty much anything Quake could
and all that
unreal oyster
i don't know who said that
that's completely incorrect
it can fake a lot of what quake can do 😉
however, horizontal platforms are pretty much the absolute limit
it can do horizontal infinite height walls
they're called polyobjects
shadow bone
Moving sectors can be faked somewhat with clever use of portals and polyobjects.
But using a 3D model would probably be easier.
unreal oyster
yeah but the setup is absolutely arcane and horrible
if you want 3d horizontal moving platforms, move to quake or a newer engine
it's not worth wrestling with gzdoom hacks to do it
twin mulch
yeah I plan on having a lot of environmental stuff so
it's probably worth just moving over
inner zealot
Are we allowed to discuss non-Doom Doom engine projects here? Heretic, Hexen, etc?
mellow lava
as long as it's playable on Doom source ports I guess it's fine
warped rampart
Iirc the name is kinda supposed to be generic
inner zealot
I'm trying really hard to stick to the vanilla map formats
warped rampart
Like, if it’s a mod for anything, a map for anything, or development stuff, it goes here
But don’t quote me on that™
inner zealot
Can I get a mug with that on it?
warped rampart
No
inner zealot
Will you stop me from not trying?
warped rampart
No
vocal crypt
you can
get a gun
head to his house
provoke him
and shoot him in self defensel
inner zealot
I could do that.
But if I'm going through that much effort, I'd probably just murder him.
Then again, at that point, it wouldn't be too much of a hassle to the extra mile...
umbral sail
umbral sail
yea, normally I use a hud mod though
haughty flower
Try playing the Metroid Space Hunter mod
umbral sail
only thing I saw of it is the review from ICARUSLIV3S
haughty flower
It's really fun
inner zealot
Bottom one feels more right.
vocal crypt
Yeah, looks less obvious it's ripped, and fits with the style of the double barrel
twin mulch
it also shows of more of the sawblade
and the yellow makes it distinct
the top saw looks a bit like a weird boxing glove
mellow lava
top one seems smaller
lavish hollow
Yes, the top one is smaller, the reason it looks noticeably worse quality is because I actually had to stretch it out to make it a little bigger
I think I'll stick with the bottom one, but I'll need to look into coloring it red, since the Evil Dead chainsaw is red
lavish hollow
I actually don't know, but I'd prefer just editing the sprite
zinc egret
I like the yellow one more, @lavish hollow
Remember the nightmaregore PK3 that was posted a while ago? Sprites in there are not allowed for reuse just yet since I PMed Mike12 about the subject.
lavish hollow
Nightmaregore? I didn't see that, I'll have to check it out
zinc egret
Reuse in other mods, that is.
lavish hollow
What is it, a weapons mod?
inner zealot
Hey, does anyone know if it'd be possible to implement a currency system in vanilla ACS?
zinc egret
I don't know, looks like a graphics mod
inner zealot
So like
I'm remaking Zelda for the NES in Hexen
Anyone wanna run around the little bit I have done?
inner zealot
Both.
I'm restricting myself to JUST vanilla Hexen for now.
Later down the line, I might move it over to another format and add in Zelda assets and such
Here's what I've got so far.
There's not a lot
Enemy placement is unbalanced as all hell.
inner zealot
I'm forgoing balance for the sake of "accuracy"
You CAN enter the first dungeon, though there isn't much to do.
vocal crypt
you should probably specify it's for the warrior clas
*clas
*CLASS
because the axe is for the warrior class
apparently
inner zealot
I'm going to add in weapons for the other classes
I test it with Warrior, though. So I just haven't done that yet.
Now that you've brought it up, I'm gonna do that now
Any thoughts on it, so far?
inner zealot
I'll send an updated version when the first dungeon is up and the Overworld is a bit more expansive
lavish hollow
If there's multiple classes in hexen and you want accuracy, why not use heretic instead?
inner zealot
Because in Hexen you can go back-and-forth with the maps.
vocal crypt
can't you do that with UDMF in Doom as well? Granted you'll have to do extra work with the monsters and textures prob
but
inner zealot
It would be better, yes.
But this is mostly an exercise at this point
When it's all said and done, I might move it over to a better format.
I actually started the project in Strife but quickly realized that Strife is complicated to work with
lavish hollow
I thought about having strife compatibility for my evil dead mod, so it could be like Army Of Darkness, but once I heard strife is so hard to work with, I took it off my mind
Now I'm just intending on doom, hexen and heretic support.
inner zealot
The main reason Strife is hard to work with is because there's SO MUCH going on in the game
And seeing as the original source code isn't known to exist, and what we have is reverse engineered, a lot of the things in it are kind of a mystery.
So not only is there a lot of stuff. There's a lot of mystery stuff.
warped rampart
I’m probably gonna replace a few weapons with Corrupt Horizons and push it to the public with an edited Oblige-generated WAD
Not without actually saying I used Oblige, of course
I’d basically be signing my own death warrant at that point
inner zealot
What is Oblige?
warped rampart
It’s a map generator for Doom
inner zealot
Like someone wouldn't recognize the generation, anyway
warped rampart
There are people who generate WADs with Oblige and say they made them
I don’t wanna be that guy
twin mulch
TAM - Tool Assisted Map
warped rampart
And I wanna do something like what MetaDoom did with this message. I don't know how, but it'd be fun
inner zealot
Ha
umbral sail
I guess a script that puts a message into the console? I have seen something smiliar in a other mod.
lavish hollow
Wrong server, sorry lmao
lavish hollow
It said ultra violent so I figured why not upload it in a doom server kek
Anyways, I imagine that script would be really easy to make
Similar things like GAMEINFO are in almost every major mod I play lol
lavish hollow
I don't think I could ever do texture work lel
zinc egret
I'm lagging behind on my map projects
umbral sail
same ;_;
royal wave
nothing out there is really as good
inner zealot
I'd still like to be aware.
I COULD look it up myself. But I was wondering if I could get any input here.
royal wave
uh only other one I know off the top of my head is DeapSea
haughty flower
DeapSea is the one that costs money right?
unreal oyster
yep
mellow lava
XWE (old)
shadow bone
don't use XWE, it'll eat your files.
mellow lava
I used to use XWE & Slumped
shadow bone
SlumpEd was pretty good, it eventually became SLADE
shadow bone
Pfft, WHackEd is where it's at. Had all sorts of cool DeHackEd options, including Boom extensions and the like. That's what I learned to mod on.
lavish hollow
Groovy
anyone know of any programs like slade3 but like not slade3?
I really wanted to say "Slade2" just to fuck with him
vocal crypt
oi lads, does anyone know if its possible to add a third fire?
umbral sail
In theory you could script something that lets you switch fire modes with the mouse wheel
vocal crypt
I meant more like a key binded to shoot a third fire?
inner zealot
Isn't there a key for it in some source ports?
royal wave
Check out russian overkill. it has 4 fire modes
lavish hollow
You need to make it yourself yes, but yes it's possible to add a tertiary fire key
Btw I finished editing the chainsaw for now, can anyone give me suggestions for ways to make it look better?
vocal crypt
Looks too red to me
haughty flower
Anyone play gz3doom?
vocal crypt
What kind of sick
royal wave
Motion sick
royal wave
It's the conflicting control scheme
haughty flower
wand aiming, like touch controllers or vive handset or something?
royal wave
Yeah controllers
haughty flower
yeah. so I modified the source to enable freelook with the mouse
haughty flower
nah, gz3doom disallows that when in openvr mode
haughty flower
the author intentionally snaps the render viewpoint to the headset position
yeah that's what i was wondering...if it is worth releasing the source for the freelook patch
royal wave
If you work in controller support, that would solve a lot of problems
haughty flower
the original author is working on that
so i wouldn't bother
he would be able to get it working faster than i would anyway
haughty flower
yeah, i think that's on his list too
no, he doesn't do positional tracking
there are some hooks in the code for it but nothing substantial
royal wave
That's going to annoy a few vr players
haughty flower
yeah, he's working on it though
lavish hollow
@vocal crypt what do you mean by "too red"?
vocal crypt
It's too dark shade of red
lavish hollow
It's meant to look like the evil dead chainsaw, as well as kind of beaten, blood splattered and such
inner zealot
I think the chainsaw and the shotgun both look great, but there's a noticeable difference in the style of the two.
But I might just be looking too deeply into it.
They bot hlook great, I think
lavish hollow
Yes, they're both made by different artists
inner zealot
Yeah
So, the only problem I see isn't major or easily fixed.
You made the right decision to stick with that chainsaw instead of the other, though
haughty flower
Chainsaw is too red for me.
inner zealot
Well
Too FLAT of a red
Could use some more depth
So GZDoom supports voxel HUDs
But like
Couldn't you just use pre-rendered models?
lavish hollow
If you zoom into it, I did try to make it a less flat red by using some light black, and a darker red
lavish hollow
Btw I tweaked the chainsaw a little more, here's it by itself, without the ssg
vocal crypt
That looks better
lavish hollow
I've made it darker because I've had several people tell me it needs to be, does it look better, or should I stick with the first one?
Idk if it's too dark lol
inner zealot
I think darker might look better.
lavish hollow
People keep telling me darker, but that first sprite is already way darker than the actual evil dead chainsaw, so I just need help lol
inner zealot
I think the environment it's in might factor in, too.
lavish hollow
It won't have any maps unless someone makes some, it's just a weapons mod
lavish hollow
So far, everyone is telling me to use the lighter version
inner zealot
Try em' both, see what works.
lavish hollow
Everyone's telling me the lighter one is better now XD
I'll just stick with lighter for now, and replace all my old sprites with it, redoing the chainsaw is something I've been needing to do for a while
inner zealot
Hey, is there a specific resolution weapons need to be?
lavish hollow
I don't believe so, I've seen high and low res weapons
inner zealot
Like, are there any rules for them?
I guess I can just try stuff until something works.
lavish hollow
Like I said, I've seen super high res weapons, so I don't think there are rules, tho there may be some fuckery with the sizes, if they're high res
umbral sail
Im a noob in doom mapping so excuse me the question, can I make 2 3D floors in 1 sector?
lavish hollow
I believe so, if you're using gzdoom builder
umbral sail
yea I do use gzdoom builder
umbral sail
sorry, don't get it ._. , how would 2 dummy sectors with the 3D floor action create two 3D floors in 1 sector
royal wave
the 3D floor is generated off of the dummy sector
So two different sectors with 2 different floors and ceilings will produce 2 different 3D floors
umbral sail
no, I want to have 2 3D floors in 1 sector
royal wave
Yes
That's what will happen
you need to use 2 dummy sectors to accomplish it
Do you know how to make one to begin with?
umbral sail
of course lol
royal wave
2 dummy sectors
umbral sail
nvm I got it lol
royal wave
give the lindef the 3D floor action
umbral sail
anyway thanks
haughty flower
Are you creating for ZDOOM?
inner zealot
I moved over to UDMF, yes.
haughty flower
couldn't you just use SLADE to change the textures @inner zealot
i'm pretty sure the sky textures should be in there
inner zealot
I tried that, I think
haughty flower
If you're using a custom sky, you need to specify it in your MAPINFO lump. See https://zdoom.org/wiki/sky
cinder moon
New Revamped Mapping for retroDoom
This Is Only Map01
ive yet to work on map02,03,and 04
unreal oyster
looks pretty flat
and also pretty overly huge
some scaling down would probably go a long way here, since it's utterly empty
inner zealot
Yeah, you shouldn't have big amounts of empty space unless they're doing something.
inner zealot
Got custom skies to work.
Now I might as well utilize the rest of MAPINFO
Errr, ZMAPINFO, anyway.
I feel accomplished
zinc egret
If you're using just a normal 256x128, you can just replace the patches if it's not more than 11 maps
inner zealot
MP3's aren't so good for music, right?
shadow bone
They're okay.
If you have tracker/midi music that's generally smaller
MP3s also don't loop as well, I think
OGG is a digital format that's slightly smaller and sounds slightly better than MP3 and can loop seamlessly I think.
inner zealot
Thanks for the input
lavish hollow
Yeah, the majority of doom mods use OGG
inner zealot
I'm making rapid progress with the textures for the Overworld
I need to start testing this in GZDoom but I don't feel like moving the project to another computer
lavish hollow
What have you been testing on?
inner zealot
Computer or engine?
I'm testing in ZDoom
On a Dell Latitude D620
You work with what ya' got
lavish hollow
No open gl, I'm guessing?
inner zealot
Open GL 1.0
No 2.0 support
I have computers that support GL 2.0 and 3.0
But the project files are on this laptop, and I don't wanna move
lavish hollow
You've tried gzdoom and it doesn't work?
inner zealot
Doesn't run on this laptop, no.
I've got a whole lot of this to clean up.
Bunch of Hexen textures and things that aren't there anymore
lavish hollow
Reminds me, hexen 2 needs way more mods
lavish hollow
I've been thinking about modding quake and making a semi open world RPG, but I'm not sure if I'd rather do it in hexen 2
inner zealot
Check out the FTE Quake mod Afterglow
inner zealot
Quakeworld, I think
It's kinda Fallout-y
If you don't find it, I can send you my old copy
lavish hollow
I found it, tho it's quite large for my potato internet lmao
lavish hollow
It doesn't work in darkplaces?
inner zealot
vocal crypt
Does the title have the theme?
lavish hollow
Wow, that looks really good, very zelda
lavish hollow
Btw @inner zealot I can test for you on OpenGL if you are ok with sending me the file
haughty flower
Making a custom version of gzdoom that has support for steelseries gamesense. just got health working.https://media.giphy.com/media/3oKIP9mSvXt73P4Vlm/giphy.gif
warped rampart
It's fun to be unable to see the entirety of your progress
royal wave
What exactly is it doing?
unreal oyster
looks like the keys are going from green->yellow->flashing red->red based on health
royal wave
the crosshair does that just fine though
I'm not going to be looking at my keyboard for an estimate of what my health is at
unreal oyster
many games do that actually
GTAV has color stuff with logitech gear
pretty sure UT4 has corsair integration
royal wave
That doesn't defeat my point that you're not going to be looking at your input device, you're going to be looking at the screen
unreal oyster
yeah, but it's just a neat extra, heh
i don't assume it's intended to replace health display
royal wave
Sunken cost fallacy more like it
unreal oyster
it just looks like they're doing it in their free time for fun lol
it's not really that difficult anyway
you just download the library for the API
and code in support
in this case, it's literally a bunch of if statements
haughty flower
I personally love this kind of flash stuff. It's fun to code and it helps me learn C++ so why not.
haughty flower
Oh I didn't know that, nice.
There's not even a library lol. It just consists of sending json's through localhost. Super simple. https://github.com/SteelSeries/gamesense-sdk
unreal oyster
huh, that's an interesting way to do it
haughty flower
I thought that. Seems every other brand does it via libraries.
inner zealot
@lavish hollow I'm down for sending you the file, but there really isn't much of anything to do and this point and it's kind of a mess.
lavish hollow
Ah, well what do you intended on adding next?
inner zealot
The red trees.
I would've done it earlier, but I've been out all day today
I'm in the process of retexturing the map.
I moved over to Doom from Hexen, so there's still a bunch of missing things/textures.
I'm trying to sort that out before I add anything new
After that, I'm probably going to sort out a few more props, then either keep working on the overworld map or maybe enemies.
lavish hollow
I'd say work on the enemies first, then the map, once you think it's at least in a beta phase, I'd be happy to test it and give you some feedback
inner zealot
I've got a big gap in the map I do have that I'd like to fill up, but it's not so big. I could easily fill it up in maybe half an hour.
I do think I need to start adding some balanced enemies in.
All those Hexen ones were just... no.
vocal crypt
not a big selection compared to Doom eh
also, did you add the LoZ song to the title?
inner zealot
I haven't worked on the title at all
Though I do have the overworld music in.
It doesn't loop too well, though. Not a priority at the moment, though.
The rip I found has that weird fade out thing at the end.
I do plan to change the title menu, though
inner zealot
I agree with you on that, but I kinda feel like I should use the American version.
lavish hollow
Are you going to add all the monsters from The Legend Of Zelda?
vocal crypt
I thought he wanted LEGEND OF ZELDA but it's Doom
inner zealot
I plan to add all the monsters and items, yes.
inner zealot
Well, Zelda weapons.
But because you're the second person who says they want Doom weapons, I'll probably sneak a few in there.
vocal crypt
like a SSG?
inner zealot
Yeah, stuff like that
lavish hollow
Imo there shouldn't be doom weapons, honestly, they don't really fit well
inner zealot
They wouldn't fit, but don't lie to yourself. Running through Hyrule with a shotgun would be awesome.
warped rampart
Reelism has the Master Sword as a melee weapon
that’s your random pointless comment of the day
lavish hollow
Is the first game set in hyrule?
inner zealot
Yes, actually.
lavish hollow
Ah, didn't know that
Well it'd be cool, but it wouldn't make any sense
To have guns, I mean
inner zealot
I want to hide at least one somewhere really hard to find.
You know the "It's a secret to everyone" rooms? Maybe give Doomguy one and he slips you an SSG
lavish hollow
For the weapon sprites, would you want them to be complex, or low res and accurate to OG Zelda?
inner zealot
Having them too complex would clash with the rest of the graphics, I think
lavish hollow
Definitely
vocal crypt
low res I guess
inner zealot
I'm taking a little bit of inspiration from a Zelda Oculus Rift remake I've seen.
I was thinking about doing what they did with the swords.
Where it kinda pokes out of the bottom of the screen
inner zealot
All the download links I found were dead.
From the footage I've seen, it's at least almost complete and really cool.
lavish hollow
I've actually never played the original Zelda... I need to get around to that, lol
vocal crypt
I haven't played a Zelda game
lavish hollow
Another question, will there be a level up system, and also, how about a magic meter? Or is this going for accuracy?
inner zealot
I planned for accuracy, but I can see how some things may not translate over well, so I'm open to suggestions.
I mean, you COULD consider getting heart containers as leveling up
lavish hollow
I suggested a magic better because other Zelda's have them, and you could make the secret SSG use magic instead of shells
inner zealot
I was gonna make it cost rupees like the bow.
lavish hollow
That also works
Why does the bow cost rupees?
Is the arrowhead made of them, lol
Actually that would be really funny for an ssg to cost rupees, because you'd basically be putting two fking crystals into the barrel and shooting them at things, lmao
inner zealot
Ha.
I could give it the same sparkly laser effect the sword beam does, too.
Maybe it'd basically be a "double barrel sword"
lavish hollow
That'd be cool, it could shoot two swords, but maybe it'd have some gimmick besides increased damage?
inner zealot
Ideas?
lavish hollow
Well, it's slightly OP, but maybe a chain attack, it jumps between enemies in close proximity to each other?
Or it could be similar to a BFG shot, where it passes through enemies and damages them on the way through
inner zealot
It could be piercing. Pass through enemies, like you said.
Or maybe the beams are explosive
lavish hollow
That's a good one!
lavish hollow
A small one, yeah
inner zealot
Or, since there's two of them, half a rocket's radius
lavish hollow
Half each, pretty cool
What'd be really cool, is a manual that describes things like the weapons and the enemies, like an actual nes manual
inner zealot
I planned to make the help screen a condensed version of the manual.
lavish hollow
I could help with that, maybe
inner zealot
I'll hit you up when I get to the menu stuff. I won't stop you from messing with that now, if you like, though
lavish hollow
You're planning on using classic sprites, right? That'll make it easier
inner zealot
Yeah.
lavish hollow
Groovy
inner zealot
I've got a good portion of them if you want them
Not ALL of them.
But a decent amount
(Many thanks to a Zelda fan wiki)
lavish hollow
I could probably form a lot of it from scans and such of the actual manual, if those exist
inner zealot
I'm sure they do, quality will probably vary.
You might wanna hit up archive.org for that
inner zealot
When you make a prop but forget to set the offsets.
inner fulcrum
Something I've been working on for a long time, The NIGHTMARE! Palace. Just added colored sectors as of recent
inner fulcrum
I've pretty much used a lot of 3D floors. as for the statues, I've found them on Google images
I can't do 3D models since I could never figure out how to use Misfit Model 3D
inner zealot
Misfit Model 3D?
inner fulcrum
That was some software someone on Doomworld that recommended me to use to make 3D models
lavish hollow
Use blender instead
inner zealot
I can't fucking run Blender on anything I own, damn it.
Well, nothing I own that works.
lavish hollow
I would think it'd need open gl and shiy
lavish hollow
I haven't even downloaded it yet because slow internet, but I know blender is just the go to program
inner fulcrum
I may get it bc I think it has MD3 support
inner zealot
Milkshape 3D and Anim8or are some other older, smaller ones.
lavish hollow
Wait, is this channel for doom modding, or literally all modding?
inner zealot
There's a guy who's straight up developing a new game, so.
I guess modding in general.
inner zealot
My working title is ZelDoom.
Before that it was the much worse Zexen.
I would call it the generic "Doom: Zelda TC" but that's kinda already taken.
lavish hollow
There's already a mod called Zeldoom.wad
inner zealot
And ZelDoom is taken.
lavish hollow
It's bad and unfinished tho
inner zealot
Apparently
I could be all like "Ayy, bros. This name is mine now."
But I'd feel like an ass because maybe they'll decide to finish and release theirs
lavish hollow
I'd go for something silly, like "The Legend of Phobos"
And no, that wad is like a decade old, I think
inner zealot
Zeldoom? What was it, anyway?
lavish hollow
It was literally a single "level" (a hallway) with one new enemy and most of the weapon sprites were replaced
inner zealot
With?
lavish hollow
Magic wands n shat
The chainsaw was a sword
But they didn't remove the chainsaw noises
Looks like the name zeldoom has been taken at least twice!
inner zealot
Huh.
pearl sundial
;o
inner zealot
So that's three people who've had this idea completely on their own
And none of them have finished
lavish hollow
Actually there's another unfinished and unreleased Zelda mod on moddb, I think
inner zealot
I've seen that one.
lavish hollow
Yeah, the only article talls about learning acs lmao
Zavus.
There can only be one.
inner zealot
I chose this path.
Many like two have come before me...
I will be the one.
I am curious, though so I'm downloading that first one
lavish hollow
Yeah, I actually hadn't seen it until just now when I googled zeldoom
I'll check it out too
inner zealot
So he couldn't offset sprites.
I can.
And since he probably just ripped the sprites from Zelda anyway, I won't feel any guilt for taking some.
"GZDoom"
fuckin' nipples
lavish hollow
Groovy!
inner zealot
Let me know if you can get it running
inner zealot
Looks like he got most of the menu stuff done
Umm...
I think his ZELDOOM.wad is... Doom 2...
inner zealot
It's like a non-Zelda Doom thing
vocal crypt
I don't get it
inner zealot
I don't recognize the maps, though
vocal crypt
What do you mean his zeldoom is Doom 2
lavish hollow
@vocal crypt he means the wad is doom 2 but edited
vocal crypt
Easy piracy then
lavish hollow
Wtf...
vocal crypt
easy piracy
inner zealot
So, all of the potentially useful stuff is the menu bits
And... I don't feel right using another guy's logo
lavish hollow
I don't even understand tho...
It's only 10 mb, doom 2 is like 14, what did he remove?
inner zealot
And yeah, the wad is about 14mb
This is why I'm making this project in a pk3
For now...
lavish hollow
So all the levels and sprites, it's doom?
inner zealot
It's literally a renamed Doom 2 IWAD
inner zealot
I don't think anyone else cared.
They download, try to play, is nothing, delete, say nothing
lavish hollow
Yeah, makes sense
inner zealot
The two music tracks are the Zelda title and overworld theme
lavish hollow
Gonna use?
inner zealot
They don't loop better than mine.
lavish hollow
Are they in OGG format?
inner zealot
They don't loop because they fade out at the end
And they're mp3
WAIT
THERE IS A CUSTOM MAP
Don't know the format, though
Also the guy's name is Aaron.
inner fulcrum
Why not use the original soundfont that you can find on Zopher's Domain? ZDoom supports that
inner zealot
A...
Huh...
That is a really good idea and I will look into it, thanks.
Also the custom map looks like it was him starting to make the Overworld
inner fulcrum
I've used several on NMAREPAL.wad (SPC)
inner zealot
That's all there is.
Just a big empty room, a zombie, and a sector
And a teleport destination
lavish hollow
You got so excited for that map kek
inner zealot
The big empty room isn't even big enough to hold the whole Overworld
lavish hollow
Wooooow
inner zealot
So, the throne is still mine for the taking.
lavish hollow
Know what could be interesting? A sequel for your TC that's a Zelda 2 TC
inner zealot
I thought about doing A Link To The Past
lavish hollow
Too complicated
inner zealot
Zelda 2 would be...
Weird.
Link to the Past might work in Quake...
Or Hexen 2
One project at a time, though
My opponents consist of a project unstarted and a project unfinished.
lavish hollow
I need to follow that one project at a time time thing, on my mind I have a doom mod, 2 quake mods, and a half life TC
inner zealot
(I kinda wanna contact the Zelda: TC guys and see if they wanna partner up.)
inner fulcrum
I have like 2, but I'm mainly focused on The NIGHTMARE! Palace hope I didn't miss any spots on other sectors that needs to be colored
inner zealot
(totally just wanna bypass creating enemies and want to use theirs I think we could benefit from a partnership)
lavish hollow
I'll name them here just because, there's
Evil Doom (evil dead doom mod)
Unnamed quake mod (very story focused, also slightly inspired by evil dead)
Unnamed Quake RPG (semi open world, like hexen 2 but with an elder scrolls-ish level up system)
And finally
The Thing half life TC (based on John Carpenter's The Thing)
inner zealot
I take it you like Evil Dead
lavish hollow
Very much so
The quake thing tho isn't really evil dead related, it just has some aspects like the bad ending, and such
Was also thinking of having the occasional dutch angle for cutscenes
inner zealot
-sudden realization-
I don't know how to make going back and forth between maps work in a pk3
lavish hollow
Why not just have everything be in one big map?
inner zealot
Organization, for one.
I couldn't keep track of one map with the entire overworld, 9 dungeons, and a fuckton of little secret rooms
lavish hollow
Also, why not have the map be in a wad, that's in the pk3? Like beautiful doom
inner zealot
I know how to do that, but I don't know if the Teleport To Map functionality will work
inner zealot
Because the maps would be in different .wads
That's what it tells me to do on the wiki, anyway.
I'm thinking about shifting back to a WAD before I get too much farther ahead.
lavish hollow
Just saying, I think having one big map would make a little more sense, besides, it's not like you're making skyrim.wad lol
inner zealot
Also, how would I change the music for dungeons?
lavish hollow
You can't do that with ACS? like, when you move past a certain point, like a doorway or something?
inner zealot
I guess I could
I'm more comfortable with doing multiple maps, though
I will lose track of all the dungeon doors if they're in one map
lavish hollow
One thing tho, is this going to be a 1:1 recreation of the zelda overworld?
inner zealot
More or less.
lavish hollow
If so, it wouldn't really be that hard to keep track of stuff, you can just look up the Zelda map online 😛
inner zealot
I mean sector tags and crap.
inner zealot
The mapping is what I'm best at, though. Hence it being the focus.
I have some level of knowledge on ACS, though.
And DECORATE is easy.
lavish hollow
I never say shit to people about coding, because I'm horrible at it lol
Now, maps are a whole different thing
XD jk
inner zealot
u implyin' somethin' u cheeky cunt
lavish hollow
I bite my thumb at thee
lavish hollow
boi don't make it gay
lavish hollow
Will that make weapon coding any harder?
lavish hollow
ZeldTerry.wad
inner zealot
shut up you
Ha.
If you get the magic SSG, you don't fight Ganon, you fight Somemong
lavish hollow
Lmfao
If you complete the game 100% you get to play as Zelda
You can't do anything but get kidnapped
inner zealot
I might do a second quest, but not a direct recreation of the original.
Make it more Doom-y
lavish hollow
No, legen is perfec
inner zealot
Legen of Terry
lavish hollow
Link
He protec
But he also
Atac
inner zealot
Or Hissy.
lavish hollow
Legen of Terry: A Lincc 2 The Thicc
inner zealot
"No, bro. It's good, I swear."
lavish hollow
"Seems legit"
loads
"DO YOU SUCK DICK DO YOU SUCK DICK DO YOU SUCK DICK DO YOU SUC-computer EXPLODES"
inner zealot
I think we just masked our shitposting as brainstorming.
lavish hollow
Definitely
Someone will look at this, and do it
We're not shitposters
We're inspiring a generation
"I'm not a monster, I'm just... Ahead of the curve"
-Terry fgt, 2017
lavish hollow
Yes kids, fgt means fergeant
But daddy said it means a queer-o-sexual!
Well your dad's a real FGT
I need to stop
inner zealot
I feel like you're ALMOST in trouble.
royal wave
inner zealot
Quick, counteract it with Evil Doom progress.
lavish hollow
Edgar Allen-NO I CAN'T JOKE RIGHT NOW
Uhmmm, I haven't really made too much progress other than the chainsaw, which I've already uploaded
inner zealot
Are you up past bed time, or something?
inner zealot
I'm up a whole hour later than you
I've been cracking up to "A Lincc 2 The Thicc" since you said it, by the way.
lavish hollow
Thank you, it's going down in my best meymeh book
A lincc 2 the thicc is what should load if you load zeldoom with hdoom tbh
inner zealot
Please don't give me ideas.
inner zealot
Send a screenshot of it from GZDoom, please.
lavish hollow
Where?
inner zealot
Anywhere, really
I just wanna see it it OpenGL at a better resolution
Hell, not even a better resolution. Just in OpenGL
lavish hollow
pearl sundial
ooo
inner zealot
Oh... Hmm...
Troubleshooting will need to be done, because they work fine for me in ZDoom
lavish hollow
What
ornate lance
i mean it works
lavish hollow
You can use slade for hexen
ornate lance
just that all the textures are inverted colored
lavish hollow
Yeah, hexen has a different palette than doom
inner zealot
Any ideas, Jefe?
lavish hollow
Jesus I am dumb lol
inner zealot
What did you do?
lavish hollow
I thought you didn't put tree sprites in the folder, but I hadn't scrolled down
😓🔫
inner zealot
I can't help but notice that the error sprites aren't in your screenshot
Several of them should be visible where you stand
lavish hollow
Some stairs
inner zealot
Upon inspection, yeah. It's fucked
lavish hollow
What's wrong?
lavish hollow
Well the map itself looks fantastic, just the missing props is bad
inner zealot
BMPs work in Discord, right?
inner zealot
Bitmaps.
lavish hollow
So I was right
Bumps
inner zealot
Ugh... WinXP is backfiring
inner zealot
I think I did.
lavish hollow
Is it supposed to be A -1?
lavish hollow
Stop THONKing
inner zealot
What spawn state do you think they should be?
inner zealot
You try it, they don't work for you.
lavish hollow
It works for you tho? Screenshot?
inner zealot
Literally every screenshot I've sent
inner zealot
lavish hollow
Ah, weird
inner zealot
Uhh...
Wouldn't the errors pop up for you even if the other props didn't?
Also, which Doom are you testing in?
inner zealot
Yes, but I just tried it in Doom 2 and it still worked
Hey, from where you start
Go straight left and look in the river
There's supposed to be a pillar from Doom 1 there
In Doom 1 you're gonna have to go to MAP01 manually, of course
lavish hollow
No pillar, no trees, just an open little area
inner zealot
There's supposed to be a pillar in the lake because of thing id fuckups
So it's not just my props that don't show, it's all props.
lavish hollow
Yup
inner zealot
Try running a normal Doom map with my thing loaded
lavish hollow
What are you using to make the maps? Maybe that could be the problem?
Also, really weird, I noticed while playing E1M1, the enemies seemed to move faster
lavish hollow
Huh, then that's not the problem
inner zealot
I wonder if anyone else has this problem.
lavish hollow
Well nvm on fast monsters, I think I just don't play vanilla doom enough lol
But yeah, try sending the wad to others
lavish hollow
Sadly no, I guess not
inner zealot
I guess we're not figuring that problem out right now, then.
lavish hollow
Yup, sorry
inner zealot
Eh. I need to take a break, anyway
lavish hollow
Yeah, well I'm probably gonna go ahead and go to sleep tbh
lavish hollow
Goodnight
misty bramble
I'm trying to compile vanilla-Hexen compatible ACS with Slade. Zdoom handles it fine, but Doomsday doesn't read any scripts and Chocolate Hexen crashes on map load. Any ideas?
lavish hollow
I didn't think anything but Zdoom supported ACS
unreal oyster
hexen invented ACS
Hexen.exe supports it, Eternity Engine does, ZDoom does, there are other ports
lavish hollow
Ah, well I never knew that
shadow bone
I'm just thinking that you could probably make a decent limited implementation of "Brutal Doom" (or at least some kind of enhanced gore system) and run it with Chocolate Hexen.
Would involve "porting" all of Doom's monsters/weapons/textures/sounds to Hexen, but it's conceivably possible 😄
lavish hollow
I don't understand you at all, caligari
"I frown upon recommending brutal doom"
"I don't really like brutal doom but I keep my opinions to myself"
"BRUTAL HEXEN, GUYS"
haughty flower
brutalise everything
lavish hollow
Sorry for getting offtopic lol
shadow bone
It's just the general reference point for many things, whether I personally like to play it or not
royal wave
I don't enjoy BD
shadow bone
¯_(ツ)_/¯
haughty flower
I never actually tried bd by itself, went straight to pb. Im guessing they arent very different though
shadow bone
The only one I ever tried was v19 Sperglord Edition (or whatever that one was called)
haughty flower
lol what a name
shadow bone
Yup
haughty flower
gonna have to google that one
lavish hollow
You've only tried one version?
shadow bone
Only one I ever played at length. I fire up new vanilla BD editions when they come out to see if there's anything changed enough to keep my interest longer than map01.
Spoiler: Usually not.
lavish hollow
Hey @inner zealot have you worked on zeldoom at all?
inner zealot
A little bit, yes.
Got a bit more of the Overworld done, partially fixed MAP02, and added some more textures
vocal crypt
what about the title