#classic-doom-maps-mods | DOOM | Page 41

trim falcon Jan 21, 2017, 2:39 AM

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how many frame can a single POSS have

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A-Z only ?

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 2:39 AM

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No, they have to be letters

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 2:39 AM

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Death frames show, but I forgot a -1 at the L frame.

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 2:39 AM

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Yup, so he disappears when he finishes dying

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 2:39 AM

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yeah

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fixed it

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 2:40 AM

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@trim falcon https://zdoom.org/wiki/Sprite

Sprite

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Cool

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 2:40 AM

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so now it's like a stalker zombieman

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chasing you

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endlessly

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never stopping

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 2:40 AM

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Now, here's something fun: you can condense that state down to make it look cleaner

trim falcon Jan 21, 2017, 2:41 AM

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loop```

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 2:41 AM

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Put all the frames on one POSS line

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 2:41 AM

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POSS HIJKL 3?

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 2:41 AM

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Yep!

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That'll do exactly the same thing, but makes the code cleaner

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 2:42 AM

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do you put -1 for the last frame to stay?

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 2:42 AM

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Good catch

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You'll need to put the L (last frame) on its own line so you can use a different duration

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 2:43 AM

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done

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 2:43 AM

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Sweet.

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 2:44 AM

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though the death frames a lil quick

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 2:44 AM

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Yeah, the stock one is more in the 5-range for durations

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Yeah, it's all 5's

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Here's what it looks like:

Death:
       POSS H 5
       POSS I 5 A_Scream
       POSS J 5 A_Fall
       POSS K 5
       POSS L -1
       stop

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 2:45 AM

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What does A_Fall do?

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 2:45 AM

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Wiki magic! https://zdoom.org/wiki/A_NoBlocking

A NoBlocking

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 2:45 AM

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I presume A_Scream sounds the zombo's death sound

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 2:46 AM

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Exactly

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 2:46 AM

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so basically makes the actor non-solid when it's in its death state?

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 2:46 AM

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Yep

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There's other functions which simply reduce the height, so you can "step on" dead monsters

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Which is kinda cool

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 2:47 AM

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making them gibbed?

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or

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pool o blood

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 2:47 AM

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No, so you step up on them like they're still solid.

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Lemme find it

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 2:49 AM

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hmm

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missing token

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hold on, gotta borrow a coin from my parents /s

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 2:49 AM

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lol

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 2:50 AM

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I'm going to assume A_Scream would work if we had a SNDINFO for this new actor?

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 2:50 AM

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PArtially

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A_Scream plays the sound defined in the actors properties

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DeathSound

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specifically

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DeathSound "grunt/death" for the zombieman

trim falcon Jan 21, 2017, 2:51 AM

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when someone dies

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he scream

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 2:51 AM

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Since that sound is already in ZDoom's "built-in" SNDINFO we don't need to redefine it

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So what's next for our simple zombiebro?

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 2:54 AM

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Guess we should make him do something

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besides stalk us

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because stalking is creepy

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 2:54 AM

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Maybe scratch us?

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 2:55 AM

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you mean melee attack?

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 2:55 AM

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Exactly

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 2:55 AM

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I presume we'd need to make a new "state" named Attack:

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 2:55 AM

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Close, actually in this case it'd be Melee

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 2:55 AM

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Attack is for projectile weapons

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or hitscan attacks

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sorry

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so mkay.

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 2:56 AM

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Missile is ranged attacks

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Of any kind

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 2:56 AM

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CustomMissile is missles that aren't in the Doom engine thing

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?

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anyway

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 2:57 AM

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No, we'll worry about CustomMissile later. It's not a state label, it's an action function

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 2:57 AM

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yeah

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anyway

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how to make our Stalker NotStalker

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 2:57 AM

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Zombieman's attack frames are E, and F if you want the muzzle flash

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It'll look like he's shooting but whatever

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 2:57 AM

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but let's just use E

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lol

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maybe he's using his gun as a spear thing

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a weak spear

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but still a spear

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but anyway

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I presume it goes POSS E A_Whatevermeleeattack?

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 2:58 AM

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Pretty close!

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https://zdoom.org/wiki/A_CustomMeleeAttack

A CustomMeleeAttack

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 2:58 AM

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I forgot the tick number as well!

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 2:59 AM

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We're gonna use a custom function for the attack

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Now this is gonna get fun

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 2:59 AM

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sarcasm or serious

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 2:59 AM

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Both 😉

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 2:59 AM

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I called it

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:00 AM

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So give it a damage of 1 (for now) and use "imp/melee" for the sound.

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you don't need to include the rest of those parameters, they're all optional

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:00 AM

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the parameters in parenthesis?

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:00 AM

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Yep

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:01 AM

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do you need to put ; as well

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or am I thinking of the ACS language

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:01 AM

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Not here

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in other places yes, but not this one particularly

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:02 AM

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Script error, "DoomStrikeZAN0.1.pk3:actors/misc/commandoplasmo" line 16:
Expected ',', got '/'.```

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I think I got some shit wrong

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:02 AM

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Show me the code?

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:02 AM

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    POSS E 5  A_CustomMeleeAttack (1, imp/melee)
    ```

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:02 AM

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Yep, that's what I thought

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The "imp/melee" is a string (text) so it has to be in doublequotes

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:02 AM

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oh

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apparently it's a suicide scratcher

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because when he scratches me he dies

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:03 AM

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hahah 😄

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Remember what I told you about states going to the next one if there's no logic instruction?

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:04 AM

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OH

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Goto see

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:04 AM

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Bingo!

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:04 AM

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hmmm

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he stays in place now

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:05 AM

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Strange...

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Full code?

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:05 AM

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{
    Health 10
    Speed 4
    Height 56
    Monster
    States
    {
    Spawn:
        POSS A 10 A_Look
        Loop
    See:
        POSS A 2 A_Chase
        Loop
    Melee:
    POSS E 3  A_CustomMeleeAttack (1, "imp/melee")
    goto see
    
    Death:
       POSS H 5
       POSS I 5 A_Scream
       POSS J 5 A_Fall
       POSS K 5
       POSS L -1
       stop
}
}```

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:05 AM

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Well, it looks okay...

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hmmm

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One moment

trim falcon Jan 21, 2017, 3:06 AM

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a_chase is there

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:07 AM

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Oh, we may need a melee range

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:07 AM

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Well he scratches me until I get to a certain distance

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which he's dormant if not in a certain distance

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:08 AM

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I think I see the problem

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:09 AM

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hm

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:09 AM

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Try adding an empty "Missile:" state right above Melee

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I want to try a theory

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:09 AM

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so Missile: Melee:?

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:09 AM

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Yep

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That's right

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:10 AM

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now vwat

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:10 AM

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Still doing the same thing?

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Test it

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I'm thinking A_chase is having some kind of logic fart

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:11 AM

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well he's moving now

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and scracthing me close

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but it appears he's trying to scratch me from a distance

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since he's in the frame before the frame with the gun muzzle flash

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for like a few seconds

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:11 AM

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Okay, that makes sense

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Because "missile" is logic for a ranged attack, but we haven't coded one

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I think A_Chase is always jumping straight to attacking for some reason.

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So he gets locked in a loop if you're out of range

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Let me test on my end...

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:15 AM

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so?

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as in how it go

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not "so what"

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:15 AM

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He's working for me

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Actor NewActor
{
    Health 10
    Speed 4
    Height 56
    Monster
    States
    {
    Spawn:
        POSS A 10 A_Look
        Loop
    See:
        POSS A 2 A_Chase
        Loop
    Melee:
        POSS E 3 A_CustomMeleeAttack (1, "imp/melee")
        goto see
    Death:
        POSS H 5
        POSS I 5 A_Scream
        POSS J 5 A_Fall
        POSS K 5
        POSS L -1
        stop
    }
}

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:16 AM

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tbf, I'm using Zand

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you might be using GZDoom

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:16 AM

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Ah, that's probably why

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The code might be slightly different

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Try using https://zdoom.org/wiki/A_MeleeAttack

A MeleeAttack

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instead

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:17 AM

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no, he still tries to scratch me from a distance

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even in GZDoom.

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still tries to scratch me from a distance

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wait

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you removed the missile part?

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:18 AM

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Yeah, and it works

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Try just copying my code, I moved a few things around and may have fixed a typo or something by accident

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:19 AM

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he works

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even in zandronum

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couldn't they come up with a better name than that

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:20 AM

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I guess not lol

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:20 AM

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anyw

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*Wayt

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*WAY

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:21 AM

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Something to try, add a little delay to the scratch at the beginning of the melee state so he doesn't just "drain" you 1 health at a time

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:21 AM

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you mean when you invade his personal space?

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:21 AM

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Yep

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:21 AM

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I understand why he would scratch you

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so something like the pinky?

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with the delay part

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:21 AM

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Use POSS G 10 or something

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Yep

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:22 AM

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apparently POSS G 10 is his pain frame

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unless that's intended AFTER the scratch

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which case, that's user error

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on me

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since I put it before the scratch

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:23 AM

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It is his pain frame, I just picked one

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To differentiate

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you could use any you wanted, really

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But the zombie has pretty limited animation 😉

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:24 AM

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tell that to SgtMarkIV

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buuuut

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anywy

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:24 AM

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He added a ton of custom spritework

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:24 AM

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yes yes

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that's why I said anyway

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:24 AM

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Yeah

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:24 AM

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so now he scratches you when you invade his personal spac e

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:25 AM

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Perfect

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Feel like you're getting the hang of it, conceptually?

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:25 AM

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yeah

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I'm wanting him to fire a plasma ball now, but that's probably CustomMissil-

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no

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just Missile

warped rampart Jan 21, 2017, 3:25 AM

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I wanna make a deathmatch map now.

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:25 AM

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go for it

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anyway

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:26 AM

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Missile is the statename, then you'll need to determine the action special he's going to use to fire the plasma ball

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Preferably we should use a stock one because A_CustomMissile is a shitload of awkwardness

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:26 AM

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so in this case, a blue plasma ball

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:27 AM

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Internet, why you die on me? I need the wiki!

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:27 AM

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wait

trim falcon Jan 21, 2017, 3:27 AM

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A_customMissile(bfgball

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:27 AM

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you using yo phone for Discord?

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:27 AM

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No, the ZDoom wiki was just being dumb

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:27 AM

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Oh

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anyway

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:28 AM

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https://zdoom.org/wiki/Category:Decorate_Classic_attack_functions

Category:Decorate Classic attack functions

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One of those should do the trick

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Pick one that sounds promising 😉

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:28 AM

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I think you got it from the wrong game

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oh wiat

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most of em were from other games

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but I suddenly saw doom attack functions

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:29 AM

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They can still be used even though this is Doom

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:29 AM

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except I rather have one that has sprites

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:29 AM

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So in theory you could use A ClericAttack if it does what you need.

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:29 AM

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yes yes

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but we're learning

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:29 AM

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In this case I think A_M_FirePlasma

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:29 AM

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so I guess I'll use A_MF_-

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yeah

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A_M_FirePlasma

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:30 AM

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Exactly

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:30 AM

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so for his attack things

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or rather

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attack state

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it'd go under Attack: ?

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:30 AM

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Missile actually

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But I don't think this one will work

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"This codepointer is restricted to ScriptedMarine and derived classes. "

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:30 AM

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Oh

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:31 AM

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So let's dive into custom missiles then, because no stock attacks fire the blue ball

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:31 AM

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fine

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:31 AM

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https://zdoom.org/wiki/Action_functions#Generic_monster_attacks

Action functions

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Specifically A_CustomMissile

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:32 AM

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huh

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it's been deprecated

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or *its

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:32 AM

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it should still work

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That's a fairly recent occurance

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Zand specifically probablt still supports it

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:32 AM

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anyway, I need the missiletype for the plasma ball

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:33 AM

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It's just "plasmaball"

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:33 AM

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really?

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:33 AM

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Yup

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Creative, eh?

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:33 AM

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lol

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spawnheight

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:33 AM

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And I believe the missiletype is the only required parameter

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:33 AM

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oh

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:33 AM

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the rest are optional

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you can play with them if you want, though

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:34 AM

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It works

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but I forgot to make him goto see

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so

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he suicide shooter

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:34 AM

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lol

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:35 AM

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now we need to increase the quantity of balls

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maybe to 3

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:35 AM

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Well, lets do something clever

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https://zdoom.org/wiki/A_Jump

A Jump

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:36 AM

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jumps to a random frame

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:36 AM

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We'll adjust the defaults

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Make your missile state "loop"

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instead of Goto see

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:36 AM

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now what

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:37 AM

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Add another line of POSS E 2 A_Jump(64, "See")

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:37 AM

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in Missile?

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:37 AM

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Yep

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:37 AM

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after A_CustomMissile?

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:37 AM

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Yep

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This will give a 1/4 chance to jump back to see, otherwise he keeps shooting

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(I think)

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:38 AM

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it works

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he'll keep shooting them until he jumps to see

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how to increase the speed of said plasmaballs dough

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unless that involves editing it itself

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:38 AM

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Make them fly faster?

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:39 AM

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they seem to be slower than arachnotron plasmas

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:39 AM

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Probably are

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We're gonna define a new inherited actor, boyz!

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:39 AM

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oh dear.

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well I gotta learn sometime

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anyway

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:39 AM

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this will be pretty simple but should illustrate the idea

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You'll want to start a new "Actor" above your current one

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Call it "Fastplasma" or something

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:40 AM

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now what

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:40 AM

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Now, here's where it gets fun

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:40 AM

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inherit from plasmaball

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:40 AM

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https://zdoom.org/wiki/Using_inheritance

Using inheritance

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:40 AM

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?

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:40 AM

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Exactly

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So add : Plasmaball

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after the actor name

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:40 AM

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and now what

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speed:9000 *exaggerated*
}```?

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:41 AM

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Yup, just change the speed!

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It's normally 25

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Make yours 35 or somthing

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:41 AM

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50

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maximum powa

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/jk

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well

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the maximum powa part

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do I change the custom missle to "Fastplasma"?

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:42 AM

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Yep

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:42 AM

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I think it's a GZDoom feature

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SC_GetFloat: Bad numeric constant ":".```

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:42 AM

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Code?

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:43 AM

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{
Speed: 50
}```

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:43 AM

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Inheritance has been around for a long time, I'm kinda shocked if Zand doesn't have it

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:43 AM

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It's 4 years behind Zdo

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*Zdoom

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IIRC, it's running on 2.20 Zdoom

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:43 AM

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Yeah, but ZDoom has had inheritance since like... the 90's

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:44 AM

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1998

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:44 AM

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I think

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:44 AM

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anyway

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:45 AM

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Oh!

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Take the colon off Speed

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:45 AM

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oh shit

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:45 AM

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lol

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:45 AM

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I guess I'm used to that

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:45 AM

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No worries

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:46 AM

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it works

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the plasma balls seem definitely faster than a arachnotron's one

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now to increase quantity from each shiot.

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*shot

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or rather

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in it's shoot frame

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er

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:47 AM

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Let me see the full code?

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:47 AM

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{
Speed 50
}
Actor NewActor
{
    Health 10
    Speed 4
    Height 56
    Monster
    States
    {
    Spawn:
        POSS A 10 A_Look
        Loop
    See:
        POSS A 2 A_Chase
        Loop
    Melee:
        POSS E 3 A_CustomMeleeAttack (1, "imp/melee")
        POSS G 10    
        goto see
    Missile:
        POSS E 10 A_FaceTarget
        POSS F 8 A_CustomMissile ("fastplasma")
        POSS E 2 A_Jump (64,"see")
        loop
    Death:
        POSS H 5
        POSS I 5 A_Scream
        POSS J 5 A_Fall
        POSS K 5
        POSS L -1
        stop
    }
}```

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or am I asking for something the engine is limited by?

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:48 AM

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Not sure. You want him to fire faster, yes?

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:48 AM

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that and fire 3 plasmaballs per shoot frame.

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OP probably

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:48 AM

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Like a spreadshot, or a rapid-fire?

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:48 AM

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but he's weak health wise

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When he's about to shoot you, 3 plasma balls come at you

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In a straight line

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:48 AM

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Okay, that's simple enough

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Remember how we condensed the death frames to one line?

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:49 AM

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si

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:49 AM

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Add two more F to the CustomMissle line

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:49 AM

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three F's

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:49 AM

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and change the duration to like 4

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Yep

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I think that'll do what you want

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:50 AM

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It works

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now we got a weak, but still PITA Plasma boy

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in otherwords, yes it was what I intended

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:51 AM

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Sweet

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Notice how adding more frames on a line simply repeats the action of that line

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:51 AM

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yeah

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:52 AM

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Hint: You can do the same in "see" to make his walking animation work

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ABCD

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:52 AM

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so xframe 1, xframe 2, and then bac-

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oh

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after or before the A_Chase one

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:53 AM

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On the same line

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POSS ABCD 2 A_Chase

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:53 AM

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Ah

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:53 AM

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Ya grokin' it?

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😄

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:53 AM

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Need to reduce tiks

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*tics

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he's going slower than his legs show

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wait

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maybe increase the tics

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:54 AM

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Bingo!

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OR

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simply double-up the frames

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That's probably preferable actually

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:55 AM

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which one

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the tic or the double-up frames

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:55 AM

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doubling-up. Here's what the normal zombieman's looks like

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POSS AABBCCDD 4 A_Chase

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So you see the same frame (double duration), but it calls A_Chase twice

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If you try it both ways you should see a slight difference between POSS AABBCCDD 4 A_Chase and POSS ABCD 8 A_Chase

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:56 AM

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now he walks apparently too slow

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maybe the speed needs an increase

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:57 AM

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Probably

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remember, Speed is the A_Chase "step distance"

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:57 AM

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so 8 steps or somethin

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:57 AM

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so each A_Chase moves [speed] mapunits

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And the frame duration is the time between those steps

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:58 AM

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well he's at a reasonable pace now

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changed the speed to 8

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:58 AM

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Cool

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I think that about sums up simple monster creation 😉

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 3:59 AM

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so would that bombplant thing still be above my monster decorate experience level

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ok probably yes

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 3:59 AM

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Most likely yes, for now.

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But now you understand the basics

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 4:00 AM

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so we gonna make a new gun then?

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 4:00 AM

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I'm probably needing to go to bed soon, but let me give you some documentation

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For reference, here's the full zombieman code if you want to examine it

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https://zdoom.org/wiki/Classes:ZombieMan

Classes:ZombieMan

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https://zdoom.org/wiki/Creating_new_weapons

Creating new weapons

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https://zdoom.org/wiki/Creating_new_monsters_or_other_complex_items

Creating new monsters or other complex items

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https://zdoom.org/wiki/Improving_original_monsters_with_DECORATE

Improving original monsters with DECORATE

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Aw hell, just about everything on this page: https://zdoom.org/wiki/DECORATE

DECORATE

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That's how I learned, was trial and error and lots of looking stuff up

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90% of it should be applicable to Zandronum

royal wave Jan 21, 2017, 4:03 AM

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I really wish I had the creativity to make a mod like dead.air

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I have the capacity, just not the idea

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 4:03 AM

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Also, here's conceptually what we were talking about earlier with the bombsite thing:

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actor Bombsite
{
    Speed 20
    States
    {
    Spawn:
        TNT1 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 0 A_Wander
    Wait:
        AROW A -1
        Stop
    }
}

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 4:05 AM

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TNT1?

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isn't that caco sprite?

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 4:05 AM

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That's an invisible sprite actually

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 4:05 AM

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oh

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 4:05 AM

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And AROW is nothing

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 4:05 AM

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gotta make that myself then?

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 4:05 AM

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Yeah.

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 4:06 AM

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well that'll be a fun photoshop

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/s

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 4:06 AM

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Now keep in mind that won't do much except "wander" around the level for several frames, then just plop a visual indicator

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 4:06 AM

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so I want to add extrea frames for the wander to go for x seconds?

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 4:07 AM

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It won't wander for x seconds

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 4:07 AM

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wander for x frames?

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 4:07 AM

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see how the duraction is zero?

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 4:07 AM

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oh

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 4:07 AM

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to the player, that'll appear to be a teleporation

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But internally it'll wander around the map like a lost puppy

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 4:08 AM

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so it'll be green fog walking

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then teh arrow if I make one

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 4:08 AM

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Well, it won't be green fog.

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Here

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https://zdoom.org/wiki/A_Wander

A Wander

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actor TeleCaco : Cacodemon
{
States {
   See:
    HEAD A 0 A_Jump(16,"Tele")
    HEAD A 4 A_Chase
    loop
   Tele:
    HEAD A 1 A_SetTranslucent(0.8)
    HEAD A 1 A_SetTranslucent(0.6)     
    HEAD A 1 A_SetTranslucent(0.4)
    HEAD A 1 A_SetTranslucent(0.2)
    TNT1 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 0 A_Wander
    HEAD A 1 A_SetTranslucent(0.2)
    HEAD A 1 A_SetTranslucent(0.4)
    HEAD A 1 A_SetTranslucent(0.6)
    HEAD A 1 A_SetTranslucent(0.8)
    HEAD A 1 A_SetTranslucent(1.0)
    Goto See
 }
}

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Try playing with that caco, you'll see what I mean

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 4:09 AM

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Instructions unclear; Caco bit my penis

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 4:10 AM

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It'll appear the caco goes invisible and instantly teleports somewhere, but in reality it's just passively "wandering" instantaneously

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 4:10 AM

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ok

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so the wander just only allows it to move

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and nothing else until it goes to see?

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er

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 4:10 AM

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Yes

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To get a better visual, change the long line to this:

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HEAD AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 1 A_Wander

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Also change the A_Jump chance to like 128 so he does it more often

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 4:12 AM

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well he fades in and out

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 4:14 AM

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Does that help illustrate what's happening?

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 4:14 AM

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if not for set translucent, he'd just dissapear and reapear at another location

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appearing as if he's teleporting without the green fog

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 4:14 AM

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Yep

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The nice thing about it is that he won't go anywhere a Caco can't normally go

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And he doesn't need any additional map code like teleportation spots

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Or tids

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Or ACS

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 4:15 AM

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do Teleport fogs have their own actor

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 4:15 AM

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Yes

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"Telefog"

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 4:15 AM

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ah

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must save alot of time then

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 4:15 AM

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I think

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Depends on what you're doing, I suppose

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Teleports in classic doom are a fixed spot on the map

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 4:16 AM

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I guess I just want the bombsite to be random each "Round"

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but the round thing is above my decorate level I9 guess

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*I

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 4:17 AM

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I'll be blunt, it's probably far above. Because moving the bombsite is small potatoes compared to the necessary logic for players to be only able to put a bomb there

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That's probably even a little above my level

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and I've been fidding with DECORATE for years

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Anyway, continue with the simple things, please.

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 4:19 AM

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balancing

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moving bombsites

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and currency system?

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no no

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currency system too advanced for noiw

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so

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lets just create a new weapon.

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 4:19 AM

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Weapons are similar to monsters, same core concepts

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Just inherit from "weapon" or "Doomweapon" specifically

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And read the documentation!

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Start with a pistol-like thing

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Anyway, I've got to leave for now

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But let me know what you come up with later,

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 4:20 AM

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ok

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 4:20 AM

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good luck!

royal wave Jan 21, 2017, 4:20 AM

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Idea

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Have predetermined teleport spots

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Number them sequencially

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Use acs to teleport the bombsite to a random teleport spot

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 4:22 AM

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but how will it "detect" a player trying to plant said bomb?

royal wave Jan 21, 2017, 4:23 AM

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Actors do have a use state. Just have it run acs on that state

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 4:59 AM

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WeakRocket must inherit from Ammo but doesn't.```

warped rampart Jan 21, 2017, 8:45 PM

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I wanted to try and port the Commonwealth from Fallout 4 into classic Doom, but I now realize how big a project that is and how bad I am with big projects that I don't really know if I could actually be dedicated to.

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Metro could be fun to import, I imagine.

unreal oyster Jan 21, 2017, 8:46 PM

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that'd be a stupidly large project lol

warped rampart Jan 21, 2017, 8:47 PM

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So is porting DOOM 2016's levels into Classic Doom.

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But at least I'm dedicated to porting the levels.

unreal oyster Jan 21, 2017, 8:47 PM

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nah, porting the commonwealth would be far harder

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it's very very large

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compared to even all the doom 4 maps put together

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i would think

warped rampart Jan 21, 2017, 8:48 PM

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Dunno how I'd feel about a large as hell open world with lots, and I mean lots, of things to dump in. It would be way too many details and I'd get way too bored way too quick.

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 8:48 PM

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it might be the GothicDM of singleplayer

unreal oyster Jan 21, 2017, 8:48 PM

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also actual terrain feels fucking horrible in gzdoom

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since slope physics are absolute shit

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bethesda slope physics aint good either, though

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it's gotta be said

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lol

warped rampart Jan 21, 2017, 8:49 PM

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I think my only obstacle of trying to port DOOM 2016's levels is how to get the "hanging"-type platforms. The ones that don't touch the floor nor the ceiling, but come from the walls.

unreal oyster Jan 21, 2017, 8:50 PM

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??

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 8:50 PM

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the ones you climb up

unreal oyster Jan 21, 2017, 8:50 PM

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3d floors?

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 8:50 PM

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In DOOM 2016

warped rampart Jan 21, 2017, 8:50 PM

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Yeah.

unreal oyster Jan 21, 2017, 8:50 PM

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yeah, what about 3d floors?

warped rampart Jan 21, 2017, 8:51 PM

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I don't think it'd be easy to try and create those in DOOMBuilder.

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Is it possible with GZDoom Builder?

unreal oyster Jan 21, 2017, 8:52 PM

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it's possible and quite easy with both

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though i use this plugin for all my 3d floors now https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=45195

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well, actually, i say possible and quite easy - @warped rampart what map format are you using?

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 8:52 PM

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I hope it's UDMF

warped rampart Jan 21, 2017, 8:53 PM

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Just "Doom in Doom format". I'm using the standard DOOMBuilder but I wanna move on to GZDoom Builder.

unreal oyster Jan 21, 2017, 8:54 PM

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oh... well... good luck with that then.

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3d floors will be practically impossible without UDMF

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there are tricks, but nothing robust

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 9:01 PM

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Also @royal wave with your teleport thing, would it possible to have wandering teleport spots for said BombSite?

royal wave Jan 21, 2017, 9:01 PM

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Yes

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just make an actor that inherents from the silent teleport and make it wander

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 9:04 PM

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insert Remove Kebab in Background music

haughty flower Jan 21, 2017, 9:05 PM

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insert serbia stronk

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 9:06 PM

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ey @shadow bone you on

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 9:07 PM

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Yah

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Kinda

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 9:07 PM

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Phone blow up?

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Must've been using a Note 7

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 9:08 PM

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?

vocal crypt Jan 21, 2017, 9:09 PM

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no you said kinda

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and I was making a joke with a outdated mem

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meme

unreal oyster Jan 21, 2017, 9:09 PM

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didn't samsung intentionally brick the note 7s via an update anyway

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so people would have to return them

haughty flower Jan 21, 2017, 9:10 PM

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return them?

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more like they are out without a phone for the remainder of their contract

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 9:10 PM

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Oh. I don't really use my phone for Discord.

haughty flower Jan 21, 2017, 9:11 PM

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same here, but isnt that a doom mod already

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 9:11 PM

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Not chatting much today

outer crescent Jan 21, 2017, 11:33 PM

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Hello, is there a way to import an obj into gzdoom as an map?

restive glade Jan 21, 2017, 11:34 PM

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May take a moment for people to respond

#

Work and all.

#

So don't think we are ignoring you, people will get to you shortly, or tomorrow, or next day, please dont leave i made cookies.

outer crescent Jan 21, 2017, 11:39 PM

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not gonna

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 11:39 PM

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@outer crescent You may be able to use GZDoombuilder to import the OBJ, and automatically have it converted to a Doom map. I have not used this function so I have no idea what the requirements or any pitfalls may be

unreal oyster Jan 21, 2017, 11:39 PM

#

📎 unknown.png

#

@outer crescent

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 11:40 PM

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Yep, that

unreal oyster Jan 21, 2017, 11:40 PM

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you'll need GZDoom Builder, don't use Doom Builder 2

royal wave Jan 21, 2017, 11:46 PM

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is it possible to use setactorproperty without it targetting the player?

outer crescent Jan 21, 2017, 11:47 PM

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how do i find its up axis?

unreal oyster Jan 21, 2017, 11:47 PM

#

@royal wave in ACS?

royal wave Jan 21, 2017, 11:47 PM

#

yes

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 11:47 PM

#

Sure, if the thing you want to affect has a tid

unreal oyster Jan 21, 2017, 11:47 PM

#

uh, yeah

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 11:47 PM

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https://zdoom.org/wiki/SetActorProperty

SetActorProperty

unreal oyster Jan 21, 2017, 11:47 PM

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don't use the players tid

royal wave Jan 21, 2017, 11:47 PM

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Well yes

unreal oyster Jan 21, 2017, 11:47 PM

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or 0

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if the player is the activator

royal wave Jan 21, 2017, 11:47 PM

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Isn't the players tid 0?

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 11:47 PM

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No

unreal oyster Jan 21, 2017, 11:47 PM

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nah

#

players don't by default have one

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 11:48 PM

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Zero is generally the script activator

royal wave Jan 21, 2017, 11:48 PM

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Oh alright

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 11:48 PM

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Which is coincidentally often teh player

unreal oyster Jan 21, 2017, 11:48 PM

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generally, because ACS is dumb

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and sometimes it doesn't mean the activator

royal wave Jan 21, 2017, 11:48 PM

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so if it's am enter script, 0 will target all the actors?

unreal oyster Jan 21, 2017, 11:48 PM

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sometimes it means "every actor with no tid"

trim falcon Jan 21, 2017, 11:48 PM

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looks liike a nice map

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 11:48 PM

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Enter is player-activated

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so Zero is the player

royal wave Jan 21, 2017, 11:48 PM

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fuck

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 11:48 PM

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Open is map-activated

#

But I don't think Zero will work in that case

royal wave Jan 21, 2017, 11:49 PM

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only one way to find out

unreal oyster Jan 21, 2017, 11:49 PM

#

@royal wave what exactly are you trying to do here? this sounds like an XY problem

royal wave Jan 21, 2017, 11:49 PM

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alter every monster property on starting a map

unreal oyster Jan 21, 2017, 11:50 PM

#

on maps that you cannot edit, correct?

royal wave Jan 21, 2017, 11:50 PM

#

correct

unreal oyster Jan 21, 2017, 11:52 PM

#

it kinda seems to me this is the sort of thing you could use zscript for

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 11:52 PM

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Probably, with ActorIterator or something

unreal oyster Jan 21, 2017, 11:52 PM

#

disclaimer: i have no real experience with ZScript, and major cooke would be the person here to ask for solid answers

royal wave Jan 21, 2017, 11:53 PM

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neither do I darn it

unreal oyster Jan 21, 2017, 11:53 PM

#

but you might be able to replace some internal shit to make all monsters in the game modify themselves

#

@drowsy forum is that a thing you could do?

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 11:53 PM

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I think Graf was saying no

royal wave Jan 21, 2017, 11:54 PM

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He's playing SW2 haha

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 11:54 PM

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You can't inject code into actors who aren't expecting it

#

So you can redefine and replace DoomImp with something else, but you can't change DoomImp itself

unreal oyster Jan 21, 2017, 11:54 PM

#

well i mean, i was thinking of that shadows mod you posted @shadow bone which replaces some internal definitions i believe and was thinking that maybe you could do something like that

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 11:55 PM

#

That was Nash's work, and he had to redefine every actor for that

unreal oyster Jan 21, 2017, 11:55 PM

#

yeah, i just looked into that

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 11:55 PM

#

He says it'd be much easier if he could just override the base Actor class, but that hasn't been exposed and Graf seems reluctant to do so

royal wave Jan 21, 2017, 11:55 PM

#

so long story short I can't dynamically alter monster properties on a whim?

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 11:55 PM

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For various reasons

#

well, depends on waht you want to do

unreal oyster Jan 21, 2017, 11:56 PM

#

there might be a way, but i can't think of it right now

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 11:56 PM

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What's the usage case?

unreal oyster Jan 21, 2017, 11:56 PM

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i'll give it a think over

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 11:56 PM

#

What are you trying to do?

royal wave Jan 21, 2017, 11:56 PM

#

Flasg pretty much. Health, attack damage, speed, all that jazz

shadow bone Jan 21, 2017, 11:57 PM

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MAybe post a topic on zdoom.org about it

#

I'm sure it's possible to an extent but I'm blanking on specifics

#

and the implementation is going to vary depending on exactly how you want it to happen

royal wave Jan 21, 2017, 11:58 PM

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tbh zdoom.org never was much of a help for me. never found it new user friendly

outer crescent Jan 21, 2017, 11:59 PM

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http://i.imgur.com/Lbe3cRb.png 😦

unreal oyster Jan 21, 2017, 11:59 PM

#

uhh

#

wow

outer crescent Jan 22, 2017, 12:00 AM

#

That does not look anything like the obj

#

lol

shadow bone Jan 22, 2017, 12:00 AM

#

http://i.imgur.com/6NfmQ.jpg

outer crescent Jan 22, 2017, 12:08 AM

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http://i.imgur.com/F17yt3r.png i fixed it a tiny bit by increasing scale

restive glade Jan 22, 2017, 12:11 AM

#

...

#

Errors.

trim falcon Jan 22, 2017, 12:13 AM

#

I dunno what to say

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 12:36 AM

#

oh hey

drowsy forum Jan 22, 2017, 12:48 AM

#

@unreal oyster I'm back, sorry.

#

What did you need?

#

Also zzyzx posted this. https://images.discordapp.net/.eJwNyMkNwyAQAMBeKIBjuf1OBynAQhhhS4ZFsH5F6T2Z53zYM2-2sZNorE2I41oZ58EX4Uy18IpY75LGtXjGJhJRymcrnZZQMQQN0UEw0trolBfgwYK22hrj4f_KiXeepfR1Iu0vxLaDVF4qgF2Cltbx0Sv7_gCeaCli.FlxejkOmEySxKXBQEbqP1XYXlN0

#

shadows.

trim falcon Jan 22, 2017, 12:49 AM

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I need some zscript

#

real shadows ?

#

or fake shadows ?

drowsy forum Jan 22, 2017, 12:53 AM

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Idk.

unreal oyster Jan 22, 2017, 12:56 AM

#

ah, @drowsy forum i was asking for @royal wave if there was a way in ZScript to change actor properties on all monsters at the start of a map

drowsy forum Jan 22, 2017, 12:56 AM

#

Aside from using a thinkeriterator, I think not.

#

Or if you use a struct, since structs are global.

royal wave Jan 22, 2017, 12:57 AM

#

How would that work

drowsy forum Jan 22, 2017, 12:57 AM

#

Describe to me what you're trying to do first so I know precisely where to go from here.

royal wave Jan 22, 2017, 1:02 AM

#

I want it so whenever the player enters the level, I can alter the flags of every monter in the map. Such as health, speed, damage, damage factors, etc.

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 1:02 AM

#

like RNG?

royal wave Jan 22, 2017, 1:03 AM

#

Something like that

#

I want to make a modifier that scales in difficulty with each time you enter a map

unreal oyster Jan 22, 2017, 1:06 AM

#

and @drowsy forum that shadows thing is pretty cool, in fact ZZYZX's ZSDuke project as a whole is pretty neat

#

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koVGz7rDea4

YouTube

jewalky

Duke Nukem Protector Drone jumping logic in ZDoom with ZScript

▶ Play video

#

the enemy shrinking you in this video is just great

#

i love that

drowsy forum Jan 22, 2017, 1:06 AM

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Yeah @royal wave you want a thinkeriterator.

royal wave Jan 22, 2017, 1:07 AM

#

Alright

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 1:08 AM

#

wouldn't shrinking make you faster?

unreal oyster Jan 22, 2017, 1:08 AM

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realistically? no way

#

your legs would be smaller

#

meaning less striding distance

#

it's common for smaller animals to be faster, but that's because they need to run fast to avoid prey

#

not because they are small

#

also - @drowsy forum on articles like https://zdoom.org/wiki/ThinkerIterator there is this message:

Note: This feature is for ZScript only.
ZScript on ZDoom is still considered prototype and is not recommended for basing mods upon.

ZScript on GZDoom 2.3.0 on out supports ZScript officially and can be used freely.

since ZDoom is now dead and won't be updated, it might be worth changing this message?

ThinkerIterator

#

saying "ZScript on ZDoom is still considered prototype and is not recommended for basing mods upon." implies that one day it will not be considered prototype

#

at least imo

drowsy forum Jan 22, 2017, 1:11 AM

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No.

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 1:12 AM

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why not GZDoom

dawn saffron Jan 22, 2017, 1:16 AM

#

📎 20170120225430_1.jpg

#

w

📎 20170121011235_1.jpg

#

working on a new snapmap

unreal oyster Jan 22, 2017, 2:29 AM

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ah jeez

#

finally decided to start learning zscript

#

i can already see how powerful this is

trim falcon Jan 22, 2017, 2:29 AM

#

don't forget to teach me how

unreal oyster Jan 22, 2017, 2:30 AM

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created an imp replacement which simply calls it's Tick() function every 5 times rather than every once

#

meaning it does everything 5 times slower

#

it's so simple to do but the results are quite powerful for zdoom

#

plus it's funny as all hell

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 2:31 AM

#

I can imagine the imp's fireball being so fucking slow

unreal oyster Jan 22, 2017, 2:31 AM

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nah

#

i'm not replacing the fireball

#

i totally could

#

but i just haven't yet

#

oh god

#

i'll make the imp fireball ridiculously fast

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 2:32 AM

#

so it's a normal Imp but with Dark Imp fireball speed?

#

also, recoloring sprites for a monster is a PITA

unreal oyster Jan 22, 2017, 2:36 AM

#

oh my god

#

i just made it so that the imps call their Tick() function only 1 in 7 ticks

#

this is great

#

they kind of trip around

royal wave Jan 22, 2017, 3:05 AM

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Send download

unreal oyster Jan 22, 2017, 3:09 AM

#

📎 ZScript_Experimentation.wad

#

@royal wave

royal wave Jan 22, 2017, 3:10 AM

#

Kk ty

#

Will check in a bit

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 3:15 AM

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tested it

#

it's like Usain Bolt walking

#

the Imps

unreal oyster Jan 22, 2017, 3:28 AM

#

@drowsy forum with zscript, can i turn collision off and on between two actors?

#

i know i can do whatever.bSolid = TRUE/FALSE - is there an equivalent of this for only one actor?

#

specifically i need my actor not to collide with the player

drowsy forum Jan 22, 2017, 3:31 AM

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Yes.

#

You use CanCollideWith virtual.

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@unreal oyster

#

Don't bother changing solid flag.

unreal oyster Jan 22, 2017, 3:31 AM

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ah, i was looking at that but couldn't really get my head round it

drowsy forum Jan 22, 2017, 3:31 AM

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It's easy.

unreal oyster Jan 22, 2017, 3:31 AM

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i was just confused on what the passive arg does

drowsy forum Jan 22, 2017, 3:31 AM

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If one actor or another returns false with the function, they pass through.

#

I thought it was made clear.

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Passive is the one that is NOT trying to move into the same position.

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Like, pretend you have a solid obstacle. It doesn't move whatsoever. You want a zombieman that goes through that obstacle? The zombieman is NOT passive.

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So the zombieman can return false and go through it. Got it?

unreal oyster Jan 22, 2017, 3:33 AM

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oh ok, i get it

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so to change collision between two actors on the fly, how exactly would i do that?

drowsy forum Jan 22, 2017, 3:33 AM

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Return false.

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Note that both parties need to return true if they are to collide and block one another. If anyone returns false, they will pass through one another. My example should make that clear.

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My example on the wiki anyway.

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That's taken from my Twilight Sparkle giantess. She can step over enemies that are small enough.

unreal oyster Jan 22, 2017, 3:35 AM

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ah, got it

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 3:35 AM

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You're a brony?

trim falcon Jan 22, 2017, 3:35 AM

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giantess

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;9

unreal oyster Jan 22, 2017, 3:35 AM

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~~if i have to port Jimmy's DECORATE to zscript to get this working i swear i'm going to [REDACTED]~~

drowsy forum Jan 22, 2017, 3:36 AM

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No.

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Gutawer it's not that hard.

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 3:36 AM

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also you're a brony Major?

drowsy forum Jan 22, 2017, 3:36 AM

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I said no.

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 3:36 AM

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OH

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*oh

unreal oyster Jan 22, 2017, 3:36 AM

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yeah i know, i'm exaggerating 😛

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 3:37 AM

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I thought you said no to Gut's stuff

unreal oyster Jan 22, 2017, 3:37 AM

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i've done DECORATE -> ZScript porting before

drowsy forum Jan 22, 2017, 3:37 AM

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Just because I like ponies doesn't make me a brony.

unreal oyster Jan 22, 2017, 3:37 AM

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it's just add a few semicolons in and a default block, lol

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 3:37 AM

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Hey, I don't have a problem with bronies

unreal oyster Jan 22, 2017, 3:37 AM

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bar some changes like A_ChangeFlag

drowsy forum Jan 22, 2017, 3:37 AM

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I'm not one.

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 3:37 AM

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well that "just because I like ponies" sounded like you were trying to hide it.

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or deny it

drowsy forum Jan 22, 2017, 3:38 AM

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I have a problem with bronies more often than not.

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Unless I go around wearing pony merch or have action figures or something physical, I don't consider myself one. And I don't.

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https://youtu.be/tly1xl882wY

YouTube

Major Cooke

Twilight Devours All

▶ Play video

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And this sure as hell doesnt make me one either.

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 3:39 AM

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Also, if you made that giantess monster

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what did you use to make the sprites?'

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Photoshop seems to be a PITA even for recoloring monster sprites

drowsy forum Jan 22, 2017, 3:39 AM

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http://creatorofpony.deviantart.com/

CreatorOfPony on DeviantArt

I am a 3D artist who occasionally makes pony stuff and uploads it here. As well, I occasionally stream my work, which I have set up on Twitch: www.twitch.tv/creatorofpony My first (and in retrospec...

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These models.

unreal oyster Jan 22, 2017, 3:39 AM

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twilight looks like a model there

drowsy forum Jan 22, 2017, 3:39 AM

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Yup.

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I used the models from the above link. Because fuck the gmod ones.

trim falcon Jan 22, 2017, 3:40 AM

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the garry mod looks creepy to me

drowsy forum Jan 22, 2017, 3:40 AM

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They're hideous.

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Yeah. I hate the gmod ones myself. I hired someone to convert the CoP models into a new base to ditch the old ones.

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 3:40 AM

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CoP?

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Cult of Personality?

drowsy forum Jan 22, 2017, 3:40 AM

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CreatorOfPony.

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 3:40 AM

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oh

unreal oyster Jan 22, 2017, 3:40 AM

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@vocal crypt pretty sure zdoom has Translations for recoloring actors

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so you don't have to do it all manually

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https://zdoom.org/wiki/Translation

Translation

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 3:40 AM

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That must be used for ColorfuL hell then

unreal oyster Jan 22, 2017, 3:41 AM

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idk

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 3:41 AM

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and the fucking Hell Knight

unreal oyster Jan 22, 2017, 3:41 AM

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maybe, maybe not

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 3:41 AM

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mother fucker punches ATM

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I say this because I did have plans for a Pac-Man ish Doom

trim falcon Jan 22, 2017, 3:41 AM

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someone already did it

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 3:42 AM

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how did they "did" it

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Because mine was doom themed

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well

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Honestly IDK

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anyway

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how does a translation work

unreal oyster Jan 22, 2017, 3:43 AM

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the wiki explains it

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 3:43 AM

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yes, but it seems it needs translation

royal wave Jan 22, 2017, 3:43 AM

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Hey gut, the imps don't do anything different, am I doing something wrong?

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 3:43 AM

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not language

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they're suppose to walk faster

unreal oyster Jan 22, 2017, 3:44 AM

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potentially, your (G)ZDoom may be outdated

royal wave Jan 22, 2017, 3:44 AM

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hmm

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 3:44 AM

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what version is it

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IIRC, the latest was 2.3.2

royal wave Jan 22, 2017, 3:44 AM

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Going for that 2.4 pre

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When was 2.3 released?

unreal oyster Jan 22, 2017, 3:45 AM

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a few weeks ago?

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i think

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 3:45 AM

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but how does Translation "original_start:original_end=destination_start:destination_end" even work

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Original start, what is htat

royal wave Jan 22, 2017, 3:47 AM

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imps gotta go fest

trim falcon Jan 22, 2017, 3:48 AM

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I like imps

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 3:48 AM

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wanna do impse things to them

royal wave Jan 22, 2017, 3:56 AM

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uh....

shadow bone Jan 22, 2017, 4:07 AM

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No Impse please. It's even in the rules.

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 4:08 AM

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some basic monster tier crap

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Normal - Normal monster
Speed - Faster at the cost of less damage
Brute - more damage at the cost of speed
Kamikazi - Suicide monster
Badass - Fast and Powerful

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also, Cali, you asked me if I created some weird pistol thing?

shadow bone Jan 22, 2017, 4:08 AM

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Did you ever manage?

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 4:08 AM

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I created a pistol that shoots fast but terrible damage plasma balls

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and if you press secondary fire, it fires two shotgun shells

shadow bone Jan 22, 2017, 4:08 AM

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Nice

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You're taken your first steps into a larger world

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</obiwan>

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Remember, a modder can feel the code flowing through him!

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 4:10 AM

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haven't seen Star Wars in a while

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also, is transition color thing something too advanced for me for now?

shadow bone Jan 22, 2017, 4:10 AM

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Probably not, but I don't know much about transitions. I believe you have to understand the Doom pallete

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You define the starting and ending index color for the range you want to replace, and the starting and ending index color of the range you want to replace it

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I think

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 4:12 AM

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Translation "original_start:original_end=destination_start:destination_end"

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This is what ZDoom wiki says

shadow bone Jan 22, 2017, 4:13 AM

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So I think original start and end is the range of colors you want to remap (like indexes 5-10) and destination start/end are the range of colors which will replace the original (like 15-20)

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So something like

Translation
"5:10=15:20"

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 4:13 AM

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well since we're testing it, how about we use our NewActor

shadow bone Jan 22, 2017, 4:14 AM

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Sure, go for it

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 4:14 AM

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btw, I've tried to replace the zombieman sprites with the commando's

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nearly perfect

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except the death frame

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it seems to stay second to last death frame

shadow bone Jan 22, 2017, 4:14 AM

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The commando probably has an extra frame more

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MAybe

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 4:15 AM

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would it go inside the brackets?

shadow bone Jan 22, 2017, 4:15 AM

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The translation?

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 4:15 AM

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yeah

shadow bone Jan 22, 2017, 4:15 AM

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I think it goes with the rest of the properties like health and speed

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Honestly I'm not mentally in the mood to go check, lol

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 4:17 AM

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It makes the commando sprites somewhat pink

shadow bone Jan 22, 2017, 4:19 AM

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Look up the doom pallet, it should be on the Wiki I think

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You'll have to find the right color indexes

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Basically which "number" the color is

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 4:20 AM

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and where would they go in the translation

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15:20?

shadow bone Jan 22, 2017, 4:22 AM

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It depends

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The first number pair is the original range

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 4:22 AM

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what is the 5:10 even sup-

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oh

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original range of ex.commando?

shadow bone Jan 22, 2017, 4:22 AM

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Say you want to replace all the reds, you need to fine the starting and ending point of the reds

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Then you find the starting and ending points of the desired color range, like blue.

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That's the second pair

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 4:23 AM

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the second pair I found

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which is blue

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is the first pair just guess work?

shadow bone Jan 22, 2017, 4:23 AM

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No, it's the same idea

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But you do have to know what colors the sprite uses

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 4:24 AM

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which is on ZDoom wiki or is that google work

shadow bone Jan 22, 2017, 4:24 AM

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So the commando's original colors may lie somewhere in the 176:191 range, since that's red to dark red

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It may take some trial and error

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since the commando may also use other colors, so you may need more than one translation pair

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 4:25 AM

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it made his mouth and eyes blue

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the 176:191

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so

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I guess I go up with 176 and down with 191?

shadow bone Jan 22, 2017, 4:26 AM

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could try that.

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Depends on which colors he originally uses, which I'm not sure how to find

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So it will take some guesswork based on just looking at the palette and his sprite

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 4:28 AM

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is the 176:191 just the different "Shades" of the palette the original commando uses?

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two different shades

shadow bone Jan 22, 2017, 4:33 AM

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No, that's the range of pure red shades in the palette.

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So pure red starts at index 176, and fades to dark red over several indexes until it reaches 191.

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The commando has some pixels which match those colors, like his eyes as you noticed.

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his armor may use a different set of colors

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 4:35 AM

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I want his armor to be blue

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which means another "set" of translations

unreal oyster Jan 22, 2017, 4:35 AM

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@drowsy forum one last thing (i think, lol) - ZDoom mentions A_CustomMissile is deprecated, what is its replacement?

shadow bone Jan 22, 2017, 4:35 AM

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A_SpawnProjectile I think

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 4:36 AM

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the colors look like a pinkish red

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his armor

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a dark pinkish red

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well

shadow bone Jan 22, 2017, 4:36 AM

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So that may be anywhere in the 16-47 range

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maybe

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Anyone in here know of an easy way to find sprite color indexes?

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 4:37 AM

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How do you make new translations

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or another "set" of such

shadow bone Jan 22, 2017, 4:37 AM

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Just add another line I believe

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Like I said I don't really know, haven't ever done it before

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 4:37 AM

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coming from a 4 Year decorate veteran

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not criticizing

shadow bone Jan 22, 2017, 4:38 AM

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Never have needed it

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And actually about 15 years, on-and-off 😉

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lol

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 4:39 AM

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well your new line thing doesn't work apparently

shadow bone Jan 22, 2017, 4:39 AM

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Ah, check the examples

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Translation "112:127=208:223", "192:207=16:31"

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"This line changes the green color range to the orange color range and the blue color range to the pink color range when the Doom PLAYPAL is in use. "

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 4:39 AM

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also, you were right

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his armor was 16-47 range

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needs a darker shade of blue tho

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a comma

shadow bone Jan 22, 2017, 4:40 AM

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So to map a darker blue, try changing your target range to maybe 200:207

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Just guessing

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 4:43 AM

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apparently it ain't changing shit

shadow bone Jan 22, 2017, 4:45 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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You know as much as I do at this point, lol

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Maybe someone else can jump in who knows more about translations

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Until then just keep playing with it and referring back to the documentation I suppose

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 4:47 AM

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got it to a near shade of blue I liked.

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anyway

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now

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he's mute

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but

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we need to change that

shadow bone Jan 22, 2017, 4:48 AM

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Look on the actor properties page in the "sound" category. Should be things like SeeSound, Painsound, etc

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The default SNDINFO should also be linked on the wiki, which has the "logical names" for all the sounds in the game

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 4:48 AM

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waht does the commando use

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or rather, sounds

shadow bone Jan 22, 2017, 4:49 AM

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Look under SNDINFO > Predefined Sounds (at the bottom)

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 4:49 AM

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at the bottom?

shadow bone Jan 22, 2017, 4:50 AM

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The link to the predefined sound files is at the bottom of the SNDINFO wiki page

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to clarify

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 4:50 AM

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oh

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what about the pain thing

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also, hes not mute

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but I noticed the zombies got three different sight and death sounds

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is that some randomizer

trim falcon Jan 22, 2017, 4:59 AM

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maybe

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depend on your SNDINFO

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 5:00 AM

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I'm using sounds from the original doom

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which IRIC

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IIRC

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Zdoom already has

trim falcon Jan 22, 2017, 5:00 AM

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your pain code

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and your sight code

shadow bone Jan 22, 2017, 5:16 AM

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For example, if you have a Pain state, the painsound won't be played unless you put A_Scream on one of your frames

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 5:16 AM

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I got the dude unmuted now

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he's a BruteChainGunGuy

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Brute because I'm in the mood of some monster teir action

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...for some reason

trim falcon Jan 22, 2017, 5:17 AM

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did you mte me ?

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 5:17 AM

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no no

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I meant teh monster

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but yeah

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anyone know how to check a monster's original palette colors?

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ex. ChainGunGuy

royal wave Jan 22, 2017, 5:20 AM

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📎 20170122001912_1.jpg

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Rocket jump testing

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 5:28 AM

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I believe I have made a chaingunguy that has somewhat of a new unique identity

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it shoots 3 plasma balls, slower speed, but does more damage and has more health

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Brute Tier (fuck y'all I'm calling it that)

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ey @shadow bone you jottin this down or somethin

shadow bone Jan 22, 2017, 5:30 AM

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Not particularly, sorry

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 5:30 AM

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hey no worries

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you got shit to do

shadow bone Jan 22, 2017, 5:31 AM

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I'm glad you're working on it though 😃

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 5:31 AM

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and it's blue

shadow bone Jan 22, 2017, 5:31 AM

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I'll be interested to see the final code when you've got him all done

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 5:32 AM

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I don't wnat to add too much health

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or he'll be a Cyberdemon minisized and underpowered

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might add new sounds

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maybe the PSX zombie sounds

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@shadow bone how does damage work

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is it x number times whatever?

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Cali? CALIIIIII

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insert MGS gameover

trim falcon Jan 22, 2017, 5:39 AM

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yep

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kinda random

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you can apply fixed damage too

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 5:39 AM

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buuut

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buuut

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(as in what's the catch)

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@shadow bone here's my code so far

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{
    Health 150
    Speed 5
    Height 56
    PainChance 140
    Translation
 "31:47=240:243", "176:191=204:207"
    Monster
    ActiveSound "grunt/active"
    DeathSound "grunt/death1"
    SeeSound "grunt/sight1"
    PainSound "grunt/pain"
    States
    {
    Spawn:
        CPOS A 10 A_Look
        Loop
    See:
        CPOS AABBCCDD 7 A_Chase
        Loop
    Melee:
        CPOS E 3 A_CustomMeleeAttack (1, "imp/melee")
        CPOS G 10    
        goto see
    Pain:
    CPOS G 3 
    CPOS G 3 A_Pain
    goto see
    Missile:
        CPOS E 10 A_FaceTarget
        CPOS FFF 4 A_CustomMissile ("fastplasma")
        CPOS E 2 A_Jump (64,"see")
        loop
    Death:
        CPOS H 5
        CPOS I 5 A_Scream
        CPOS J 5 A_Fall
        CPOS KLM 5
        CPOS N -1
        CPOS O -1
        stop
    }
}```

trim falcon Jan 22, 2017, 5:49 AM

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let see

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i dunno what custom color youuse

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 5:50 AM

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it's suppose to be blue

trim falcon Jan 22, 2017, 5:50 AM

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melee atack is 1 and use imps sound

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you already test it ?

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 5:50 AM

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yeah

trim falcon Jan 22, 2017, 5:51 AM

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I personally like this order more

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Missile:
melee:
pain:

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 5:51 AM

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your opinio

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n

trim falcon Jan 22, 2017, 5:51 AM

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its hurts my eye to see pain in between

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A_jump(64,) ??

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oh chance to stop firing

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 6:00 AM

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(In order) Brute, Speed, and normal Chain Gun Guy

📎 Screenshot_Doom_20170121_235540.png

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need to have a different shade of blue to have details like the normal one

royal wave Jan 22, 2017, 6:03 AM

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you could manually alter the sprites

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That way you don't need to change the color in decorate

restive glade Jan 22, 2017, 6:03 AM

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the green and blue look ugly.

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With blue blood in their mouths

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i'm sorry.

trim falcon Jan 22, 2017, 6:04 AM

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nom nom

restive glade Jan 22, 2017, 6:04 AM

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It's like they ate a bug.

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Or an alien

trim falcon Jan 22, 2017, 6:04 AM

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maybe you need recolor it to green sprite first

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and then translate it

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 6:04 AM

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so change it to blood

trim falcon Jan 22, 2017, 6:04 AM

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cyan is transparent

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 6:05 AM

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not going for cyan

trim falcon Jan 22, 2017, 6:05 AM

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no its not

vocal crypt Jan 22, 2017, 6:05 AM

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so you guys want me to change the blue and green back to red?

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blood

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wise

trim falcon Jan 22, 2017, 6:05 AM

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no