@foggy escarp basically a zip is extract and play, PK3 is some kind of special-y format that doesn't need extraction and so far i know is only for doom
#classic-doom-maps-mods
haughty flower
foggy escarp
my process shouldnt interfere with pk3
prisma saddle
It's for Quake aswell from what I've seen @haughty flower
haughty flower
oh okay
foggy escarp
apparently just shoving the wad in pk3 works
but putting in the maps in directories no
ok
guess ill just shove it in pk3, silly but whatever
royal wave
you may need to use slade and specifically save it as a pk3 instead of just cramming everything into a wad
foggy escarp
i always use slade
i never want to use XWE
never coudl either
i always used slade
i tried using xwe when i first tried doom modding a couple years ago but i never got it to work
slade was my savior
i also prefer mapping for gzdoom
zandronum is not as up to date for my tastes
and i never maped for zandronum therefor
so none of my wads work on zandronum
i mean, this one does but the scripts just break
and thus is technically unplayable
id wish zandronum was a bit more closer to zdoom but, its not so idk
so multiplayer for this doom mod at this moment doesnt sound like its gonna be by using smooth zandronum
shadow bone
Okay, to clear up the confusion: Maps themselves always need to be in .wad files. That's just the way the format has to work.
.pk3 is used for everything else: Texture, sounds, etc
royal wave
is that what we're missing?
shadow bone
Map .wads go in the maps folder inside the pk3, textures go in /textures, sounds go in /sounds, etc
yes
royal wave
lol, I guess we automatically assumed the maps were being put in as .wad
shadow bone
Not if you're trying to extract the map data from the .wad and put it as files in the .pk3, that won't work.
foggy escarp
well im jstu shoving the wad in pk3
it works the same
it soudns silly but it works
foggy escarp
nah im okay
i like having the maps in one wad
i see how it works now but im just ognan end up sticking the wad into a pk3
shadow bone
I'm just saying if you have all your stuff in the .wad (textures etc) then there's no reason to use a pk3.
Just use a .wad
shadow bone
The only reason to use a pk3 is if you want to split out the textures and stuff for editing
shadow bone
Ignore that. If you want to save space on a download, put the wad in a zip and they can extract it.
shadow bone
Loading a .wad inside a .pk3 can cause memory issues
Because the whole thing is loaded into memory
foggy escarp
i said earlier if im just gonna stick a wad into pk3, why not put it in winrar
foggy escarp
well i was wantign to put it in winrar but
ive been told not to
since people will be confuysed
or something
i, personally, woudl think its 100% obvious a winrar file isnt a doom file
doom files ahve the doomguy icon
i would think anyone should know this
shadow bone
Not on everyone's system. They only show like that on your system because you have them associated to gzdoom.
Mine are associated to ZDL so they have a different icon
shadow bone
Hopefully
foggy escarp
as much as i know doom modding, i just havent really cared for pk3s that much
shadow bone
To sum up:
-
Pick either .wad or .pk3 for editing your project. Doesn't matter which. Just don't mix .wads full of content inside .pk3s (except level data) because it causes memory issues.
-
For distribution, compress .wads into .zip or .rar or .7z (not .pk3). For pk3s, just send the .pk3 unless there's other files you want with it. In that case, also compress the whole thing into .zip, .rar, or .7z.
foggy escarp
i just prefer wads
i like being able to save maps in the builder
and having multiple maps in one wad
rather than multiple wads
shadow bone
That's fine.
It's a preference thing.
Just don't put .wads inside .pk3s, because if someone loads the .pk3 the engine tries to load the whole .wad into memory at once instead of just picking what it needs.
royal wave
full of traps?
shadow bone
A big long list of files with marker files?
foggy escarp
not literally ๐ฎ
royal wave
I don't think you got my joke but okay ;v;
foggy escarp
meppy
royal wave
yey!
foggy escarp
meppy
royal wave
meep!
hoary tulip
i didn't imagine caligari would be one to give an advice as terrible as putting stuff in wads and putting the wad in a zip
trim falcon
can't helped
at first we suggest to properly turn it into pk3
he said error
end up suggest that
hoary tulip
I mean, it's not inherently bad, it's just that a proper pk3 is better in 100% of the cases
hoary tulip
must've missed that
shadow bone
Map files have to be in WADs, but everything else should be split out
pallid yoke
can anyone here point to a simple example in ACS script where I call a function in the script?
shadow bone
Let me pull one up
pallid yoke
All I need to do is run a check on a list of bools before executing a battle
pallid yoke
hmm so functions are only used to return a value
shadow bone
They can often do other things I think (I haven't explored them a lot)
trim falcon
what this acs do?
shadow bone
But returning a value is the primary function
pallid yoke
I dont need to return a value so much as just execute another script
Mostly to avoid having to have duplicate code
because I have 6 switches that need to be flipped before something happens
shadow bone
Hmm... that's a little outside my wheelhouse.
@trim falcon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T9JIh45Fi4
pallid yoke
I would think this would be simpler than a function XD
shadow bone
It's probably not that complex, just that I'm tired and can't really put enough mental resources on it right now, lol
๐
pallid yoke
ah ok well seeing a function in action is still super useful
trim falcon
I see, I wonder if smartgun possible
shadow bone
Should be
It's all a question of getting the precision and angles right. I kind of do it "good enough" here.
pallid yoke
hmm so I know how to use functions thats great, but how will I execute a script from another script. hmm
I figured it out. ACS_NamedExecute("nameofscript", 0);
shadow bone
Also check all the variants to make sure you get the functionality you need ("ExecuteAlways", etc)
pallid yoke
what is the difference with execute allways?
is that like a while loop or something?
trim falcon
does zandro support namedexecute ?
shadow bone
ExecuteAlways will run a new copy of the script if one is already running.
Execute only executes the script if it's not already running
(If I recall correctly, make sure to read the docs)
Not always necessary, but sometimes useful
shadow bone
Agreed. I love ACS
trim falcon
oh nice
pallid yoke
What is the cleanest way to check if 6 different bools all equal true?
I am thinking its going to be a massive and statement lol
pallid yoke
no its just to check if all switches have been flipped
trim falcon
I think you should take a look at multiple switch to activate mod
neat oxide
if(a && b && c && d && e && f && g)
One with = will (probably) not compile, and will do hideously wrong things if it does.
One with == will pass if a and b are false, but c,d,e,f,g are true.
Because a == b -> false == false -> true.
@pallid yoke
pallid yoke
I solved it and everything is working out really well
trim falcon
good
haughty flower
Can't you just use tags?
trim falcon
@haughty flower
haughty flower
Yeah?
trim falcon
just tagging you
haughty flower
I meant tags as in linedef tags, i was talking about that problem
If you scroll up you can see
trim falcon
you're an experience decorate/acs ?
I mean do you consider yourself as experience decorate/acs
trim falcon
how bout zscript
seriously
I can't imagine how zscript replace decorate
in the past
decorate replace dehacked
some mod still using dehacked
that classy
haughty flower
Nope, i have no idea how to use ZScript
trim falcon
crafty titan doom hack
shadow bone
DeHackEd is pretty depreciated. DECORATE has essentially replaced it in ZDoom derivatives.
ZScript is more complex, but it's basically engine-level programming. SUPER-powerful.
you can even do stuff like change the actor radius and relink the blockmap now.
royal wave
Woah that's cool
How fleshed out will zscript be for its first release?
If you know anything like that
frosty path
shadow bone
@royal wave Zscript is still in development, but I think Graf is aiming for it to be feature complete and fully functional for a GZDoom 2.3 release.
It's actually in devbuilds now
If you wanted to try it
I think he's said it's mostly done.
Primarily bugfixing and functionality testing at the moment.
royal wave
ports line rider to doom
shadow bone
Ah, here we go
That was in October. ZScript has since been merged into the master branch (although it's disabled by default unless you pass a command-line switch) so it seems that jives with "supports all features of DECORATE"
royal wave
Supports all of decorate? Wowie
royal wave
Though I'd need to see some examples. I'm already proficient at OOL's, but I can't seem to imagine how it communicates
shadow bone
I want to wait until it's "production ready" before I dive in, and we're definitely not there quite yet
There's some documentation for you ๐
Down at the very bottom is an example of re-defining the Caco's A_HeadAttack function.
unreal oyster
oh shit you can redefine functions lmao
redefine the imp's firing function...
to fire an imp at the player
rip FPS
shadow bone
Well, you can already do that in DECORATE ๐
The nice thing here is that you can define custom low-level functions and use them like action specials.
royal wave
it supports override?
Awesome
Now question. It can replace specific functions without calling an entire "actor replaces actor"?
because if so, that is bad ass
shadow bone
Not sure, you may want to ask Graf or one of the other contributors about that noe.
I'm not sure if it supports overriding built-in functions, or if that A_HeadAttack example is just showing how that function would look if you defined it.
royal wave
Overrides are useful when you want have several similar classes, but need them to behave differently without having to rewite an entire actor for it
Decorate already does overriding when you inherent from an actor and set any flag or change a state
Just specifically calling "override" opposed to making a new function reduces the amount of typing you need to do
Like you know that every actor in a list has a "run" function, but rather than it having to check what actor it is so it can figure out the unique name to call it's special "run" behavior, it's all just "run" and the compiler handles it without a hiccup
royal wave
looking at the documentation for ZScript, it just looks like a more cleaned up version of decorate
that's a bit underwhelming
shadow bone
semantically it's similar, but a lot more of the underlying engine is exposed.
Like I said before, you can actually alter actor radius now, which has never ever been allowed in any source port before, as far as I know.
royal wave
why never allowed before?
also you know what feature i wish was in zdoom? crawl on walls and ceilings
shadow bone
Because it could screw up physics calculations and whatnot.
+CEILINGHUGGER and +FLOORHUGGER exist
royal wave
the ability to not just step up higher, but to actually asscend a wall
and to make it work properly, it'd need a special state for the angles
actually that'd be a lot of sprite work ;-;
shadow bone
Actor roll is either in or staged for inclusion soon, I believe
royal wave
Roll? No way!
shadow bone
you can definitely do camera roll.
Flat, wall, and roll sprites... http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=49709
shadow bone
Yeah, that's either in or going to be in soon.
I forget if it was added or pending some adjustments
royal wave
that looks weird
shadow bone
But Graf is busy with zscript so rendering stuff is on hold.
GZdoom has come a LONG way.
I'm just getting back into seriously modding after several years on hold, and I'm hard-pressed to find anything I can't accomplish/
royal wave
Honestly excited for the next version of G/ZDoom to come out
royal wave
weapons don't have that? o.O
I would of assumed that was a universal thing for sprites
shadow bone
Weapons are a special case because they're not drawn in the world.
this is partially on hold for a couple issues related to that pesky detail
royal wave
Does zdoom support masking? Like similar to how brightmaps work, you can take a static texture and define a color to be replaced with a different texture
It'd be cool to use it like a television effect
shadow bone
I don't think so, not like that... but it does support compositing patches via TEXTURES
with various renderstyles
So you can ADD, SUBTRACT, etc a texture over another.
royal wave
over, but not mask
shadow bone
Could use alpha-mapped PNGs though
royal wave
true, but that'd require an extra line behind whatever you need, and 1 pixel of spacing is noticeable
I have tried this, hence why I had the masking idea
shadow bone
You can composite with TEXTURES using CopyAlpha to respent PNG translucency
shadow bone
yah
royal wave
Give floor and ceilings middle textures o.o
shadow bone
Why?
royal wave
Well maybe you need to have a roof effect without wanting to make a 3d floor
Or maybe put a fog effect at the players feet
royal wave
Well that too
I mean there's already a solution to it
but I feel adding a mid texture there would make things easier if you just need the texture to be there
shadow bone
Hmm... Maybe a UDMF extension for "fakefloortexture" and "fakefloorheight" properties.
Same for ceiling
royal wave
or maybe not a property in the editor, but a script you can all
A_fakeceiling and A_fakefloor
shadow bone
Well, that's exactly what transfer_heights is, you just need a control sector is all ๐
royal wave
Yeah, and that control sector makes snese when you need it to behave a certain way
I'm just someone who enjoys having levels of options, the less fancy you need, the easier it should be to implement
shadow bone
Blue rank?
shadow bone
Yeah
royal wave
Dude! Gonna be flying back there soon!
I live in west wendover, it's the closest airport
royal wave
Yeah! Family has been attending it every year, we're going to Fan X in may
shadow bone
As far as "rank" goes, I think it's because I used to mod one of the sub-boards, and/or I'm part of a closed beta group for a dead project that hasn't been cleaned up.
royal wave
Oh okay
shadow bone
I have been around for a very long while though.
I'm the 74th person to register on the forums ๐
royal wave
Woah
Respect right there
now excuse me for a momment while i gush over this line rider track that was posted, I need to get it out
shadow bone
Looks like Graf [No]'d the fake floor/ceiling thing.
"The entire feature works by pulling the required data from the control sector. So the changes to do this through dedicated sector properties would be rather extensive. I'd rather not go there."
Seems like it would be a lot of work, only to basically duplicate existing functionality.
royal wave
figured
bleak flame
How many people here use ReShade?
foggy escarp
im having lots of trouble getting these powerups to stay pernament after a level change
ive tried everything, +INVENTORY.HUBPOWER, +INVENTORY.PERSISTENTPOWER, makign an inventory item that gives the player the powerup and having +INVENTORY.AUTOACTIVATE
but nothing
it doesnt want to stay on when a map changes
and this is frustrating me a lot
foggy escarp
inv.hubpower works for inventory items
but not the powerups
and inventory.persistentpower is supposed to make the effect last after a map ahs changed but thats not doing what its said to do
i figured it out
i have to edit the already existing powerup using inheritance
i thought i wasnt allowed or able to do that with powerups but ok
bleak flame
Not a DOOM mod per-se, but this ReShade Bundle has shaders to make your FPS games look old (Reduce colors, use palettes, yadda-yadda)
Works on GZDoom and loads of other games.
Read the Read-Me for infos, the tooltips of the shaders may also help you during normal usage.
haughty flower
haughty flower
i just played it and wow was taht interesting
pallid yoke
man that looks pretty fucking cool ๐
This is what I am working on atm https://youtu.be/bKUhyGVEQEs
foggy escarp
Hey uh
anyone know if its possible to reset a level thats in a hub?
or is it not possible
oh wait nvm i can actually stop using hubs
ho wait
oh nvm
i still have to use hubs..
so any way?
trim falcon
???
foggy escarp
in hub maps, maps connected together get their current status saved
like hexen
where going to different parts of the hub goes to another map but the maps are saved with their progress
trim falcon
i see
foggy escarp
however i want to find a way to reset a map in ah ub back to its original start form
foggy escarp
nvm i found a makeshift way to reset a map
trim falcon
do you know how to make player get into a random map after exit ?
foggy escarp
i guess a way is to make your map lump names numbers, and do random(min,max)
but i havent tested that
probably doesnt work but idk
pallid yoke
royal wave
haha, was gonna say when you gonna upgrade to GZDB
royal wave
๐
pallid yoke
is it possible to have an large group of enemies run a script when they die that keeps count?
pallid yoke
nevermind thing count is way better for doing this.
foggy escarp
ive added "bronco" cops in my doom payday 2 mode
anyone who knows what those are in pd2 know how horribly op they are if you dont kill them right away
same with weak generic police officers/guards in pd2
why i said this? because while playtesting, i got inside the vault after drilling
and was using rogue class
and there was a glasscannon bronco cop in there
and one shotted me to death
i cri ๐ญ
pallid yoke
foggy escarp
is possible to make a damage indication for armors that have 100% damage save, for doom mod
unreal oyster
what do you mean "damage indication"?
foggy escarp
when you have armor that absorbs 100% damage, you get no indication. no screen flash, no damage sound, nothing
by default
i dont know if there is a possibility to add an indicator that your armor is getting damaged with 100% damage absorption
id hope there is since in this mod its very frustrating to tell when your armor is gone or not
or getting hit
foggy escarp
can someone analyze my acs code and explain to me what i did wrong
trim falcon
just pastebin it here
foggy escarp
printbold is jstu print but prints to everyone
print is only the activator
that should not be the issue
foggy escarp
this is a customclass
so yes its DoomGuy
its intentional
in fact, the if statement is directly copied from my acs that gives items to the player if he is doomguy
and that works
trim falcon
why you need to get getplayerinfo ?
foggy escarp
....to do the thigns i want when the player is using DoomGuy Class
id assume that isnt rocket science
foggy escarp
that is incorrect as this is what ive been using to give stuff to the classes, the exact same if statement
if(GetPlayerInfo(PlayerNumber(), PLAYERINFO_PLAYERCLASS) == "Muscle")
{
GiveInventory("AMMOBAG",3);
GiveInventory("FIRSTAIDKIT",5);
}
the exact same except its DoomGuy and not Muscle
and this works
and funnily enough,
else if(GetPlayerInfo(PlayerNumber(), PLAYERINFO_PLAYERCLASS) == "DoomGuy")
{
GiveInventory("AMMOBAG",3);
GiveInventory("FIRSTAIDKIT",5);
}
works as well
what am i doing wrong, anyone?
foggy escarp
i got it sovled in another discord
but it took awhile and
im quite frustrated now so
trim falcon
solution ?
foggy escarp
had to use something other than getplayerinfo despite it worked before, and being told what i was doing is actually wrong and i was lucky to even get it to work the way i was makign it do
which getplayinfo did stop working for my entire wad
i ahve to replace all of getplayerinfo with the new thing now
and i calculater, thats more 84 lines to replace
ugh..
trim falcon
use notepad++
foggy escarp
im not working on this wad anymore tonight
trim falcon
Its easier to read
foggy escarp
i ahve notepad++ but, that isnt gonan benefit me at all ifnact im pretty sure it do the opposite of benefit
neat oxide
Um yeah, compare strings with stricmp(a,b) and not with ==, otherwise it will work a few times but it doesn't owe you anything, sure you don't want code to be like that?
haughty flower
@pallid yoke I'd gladly do a Let's Play of your level ๐
when its done of course
plush sapphire
Wrong channel?
hazy lantern
foggy escarp
ive been polishing thing every now and then but id say the wad is id say definitely in a playable state for playtesting
but no playtesting yet as one map is a bit too shallow
and currently
the only people working on this wad is mostly me, and Happyhead has jsut started doing a sprite for general Swat anemies
haughty flower
that does look good
now the gun does look rough around the edges and its a little out of focus
otherwise i am impressed
haughty flower
thats fine
foggy escarp
out of focus? im confused
foggy escarp
that i cant do anything about
haughty flower
yeah well
foggy escarp
it may be intentional i dont remember
haughty flower
it does remind me of the ps1
foggy escarp
i cant scale weapon sprites
which i would have for these since
well
higher res
but i cant scale
foggy escarp
otherwise the other alternative is using the model itself but i have no experience with modeldefs and the model i have is not a mdl3, its a source model
and that woudl require me to decompile the models (which isnt guaranteed to be okay) and eh i jstu rather do the sprite way
haughty flower
right
just for the sake of comparison
you should look at the duke nukem modding community
they have a total conversion known as the amc
everything is sprite based
a few are voxels
but the blurriness of the weaponry somehow matches the gritty, dark mood of the build engine put to the test
i mean in darkly lit rooms that sprite you have their looks great
it can be touched up a little much later in development
but that is my only complaint
its minor tho
foggy escarp
Currently Happy Head has a very promising sprite gif of one angle for the general swat for this
it is however standard doom resolution
its weird there is pixels in my semi hi def mod but
doom enemies from scratch take some time
i usually play with image resampling in my doom, and i know some people hate that but i personally dont mind
haughty flower
i dont expect the enemy sprites to look good
foggy escarp
so i dont noticei t too much but there is stil pixels to be had
haughty flower
the only time where i would pay lots of attention is when the body is on the ground
foggy escarp
and since my doom mod is gonna have waves upon waves of a bunch of enemies, id suppose having not high res sprites of enemies could help with performance for low enders
since my pc is a low end so i try to not dip too low on my end with my mod
haughty flower
well yeah
that makes sense
making it work around the limitations you have makes it an interesting treat to get it to run on less capiable hardware
get the thing too low then i would be asking you if a dreamcast port is possible
foggy escarp
i still dont think im gonna be able to put this wad for zandronum port, which this mod screams for multiplayer
so i usually dont mod with multiplayer in mind but i semi do as well
i dont know how i feel about it atm
haughty flower
well once you get confortable then you can decide from there
foggy escarp
i never modded for zandronum before, and never had because zandronum just lacks stuff i want to use for my mods
so this mod breaks pretty hard on zandronum
haughty flower
if im not mistaken it uses zdoom 1.8 as a basis
foggy escarp
zandornum is a bit behind compared to gzdoom
trim falcon
try zandronum 3.0
haughty flower
and gzdoom is somewhat behind zdoom
actually yes @trim falcon
sone more and more of us are really hyped for zandronum 3.0 stable to be released
we are more inclined to use the alpha that is currently available
foggy escarp
tbh if i was gonna make this mod multiplayer i wouldnt have made it on gzdoom to begin with, and release a zandronum version would invalidate the gzdoom version
i think i might end up just stickign ti single player sadly
haughty flower
that works
foggy escarp
payday 2 wad screams multiplayer
but tbh, ithin if you really want to you have to do the old hard method for multipalyer with gzdoom
haughty flower
i use the latest git builds of gzdoom anyways
foggy escarp
since gzdoom technicalyl does support multipalyer
its just not a ssmoothened as zandronumed at all
haughty flower
definetely not
foggy escarp
but its all i got
haughty flower
its more p2p
foggy escarp
well
in that case
its more authentic since pd2 is p2p
so
and payday 2 is famous for its p2p being semi bad
or pretty bad
desync
foggy escarp
payday 2 has pretty bad netcode
haughty flower
i may have played earlier builds of it but that was long before p2p was a thing
foggy escarp
most definitely because the engine it uses is pretty damn old
steel onyx
haughty flower
i have done it before
foggy escarp
gzdoom is my fav port to mod for just for the fact its got much more to work with that i want to use
zandronum has plenty too but it just doesnt suit w hat i want
there are amazing multiplayer doom mods
but, i just havent really wanted to leave gzdoom
foggy escarp
id argue gzdoom/zdoom is the more popular port to mod for
foggy escarp
if you make oyurm od correctly, your wad could work in both source ports with doing little to nothing, but this one no not at all
but when your mod gets more complex then it gets easier to not work on both
haughty flower
disclaimers aside i would safely say that i dont garuntee the accuracy of zandronum if i ever do get into making stuff for doom
foggy escarp
jsut curius to see if my wad does function on zandronum now
although i think my zandronum is outdated but
il lsee
eh nope not anymore
haughty flower
what i am mainly interested in is total map conversion like the stuff we seen with ancient aliens and back to saturn x
foggy escarp
what is total map conversion
haughty flower
idk anymore
like i would try to keep a lot of the things vanilla
like a partial pwad of sorts
no new weapons
foggy escarp
also currently this wad sits at 107 mb, i mean thats not big but its definitely not small either
haughty flower
its good sized
foggy escarp
its only gonna get bigger
i estimate thsi will reach aroudn 200 mb when its in a full mod status
haughty flower
nowadays i expect multiple .wad and .pk3 files all weighing in at about 200-300mb average
foggy escarp
im just estimating, i can guarantee
it could be 150 when its done, or 500
who knows
could be anything
foggy escarp
probably hit 200mb now if i started using mdl3
haughty flower
now what does is if there is wasted space and/or compression eats up too much resource
my hdd is fast enough to do uncompressed
i have 1 ssd and 1 hdd at 7200rpm
foggy escarp
i plan to make my own music for this wad as well, but i havent got to it yet. theo nly song i have for it atm is one song for the lobby, where you buy and upgrade your stuff
which is my own composition and is pretty basic
i dont get much opportunities to compose music for a game or mod or something
foggy escarp
now i got the music under control, i dont necessarily need to music composers. though extra artists obviously is always nice
i cant sprite animation at all
so hapyhead is doing something nice
haughty flower
same
i need to find my strongpoints before i can actually start helping out
i have great ideas of setting and how scripted events could play out
foggy escarp
im currently just open for artists, i dont have anything else in mind at this moment
artists being sprite and voxels
haughty flower
i have basic knowlege of reporting instabilities and bugs
foggy escarp
playtesting is a definite need at some point
iveo nly been balancing through my own playthroughs, and thats not enough for balancing
im trying to keep it a bit like pd2 but a bit different as well
haughty flower
but none for art, music, and anything else
mapping is where i want to start working on
coding and creating scripts is where i would definetely need inprovement
otherwise right now i need to start toying around with gzbuilder
foggy escarp
im good enough to get this wad to work interestingly but i always have room for improvement, like yesterday i learned i shouldnt have been using "getplayerinfo" or whatever it was
always room to improve
the hud in this doom mod id love it to be a circle like payday 2 but that is from my understanding not possible at all in zdoom right now
haughty flower
i understand
foggy escarp
so i made the color scheme of payday 2 but vertical and square like payday the heist
haughty flower
zdoom may be ahead of gzdoom but it does lack in so many things
foggy escarp
i think you got it the wrong way
haughty flower
do i?
foggy escarp
gzdoom gets updated daily pretty much, the last zdoom update was on february 22nd 2016
haughty flower
ive always had it that new things gets done in zdoom first then it slowly gets implemented into gzdoom
foggy escarp
gzdoom im pretty sure is just zdooms latest version but with extra features or whateves
haughty flower
right
foggy escarp
https://zdoom.org/wiki/A_SetSize this is the newest thing i can think of, a_setsize
haughty flower
well anyways after saying that i went over to drd team's respositories and seen that gzdoom has been lagging along the last week or so
now it just got updated along side with zdoom
foggy escarp
actually it is slightly the other way around, zdoom gets updated first i believe but gzdoom pretty much gets it soon after
haughty flower
like gzdoom just missed out on 3-4 updates
foggy escarp
id say they are updated close enough to say its not really that big of a deal
haughty flower
i understand
foggy escarp
also this new git build of gzdoom made tone maps lower and brighten way quicker, and it seems to be actually based on the brightness isntead of sector brightness like it did before, which caused problems in my map making the tonemap brighten despite my map was "darker" in the building (transfer brightness wasnt affecting it)
so im glad this git build made it... better i ntaht respect
but on the bad side
that also makes the lobby get REALLY REALLY bright if you use linear tonemap
since the map is just pitch black where the stations arent
haughty flower
i used to use that up to like recently
i turned it all off because it was messing with the color pallets way too much
haughty flower
yeah thats blinding
foggy escarp
you can turn of bloom to fix the glow but that still amkes the statiosn really bright if you use linear tonemap
haughty flower
bloom get turned off too
foggy escarp
wasnt like that before the tonemap update or whatever
but i prefer this version since the tonemap fades way quickert
and isnt based on sector brightness
which was confusing when using fake brightnesses
haughty flower
i mean i find the muted color pallet to make me nausus overtime
foggy escarp
since in my map, the bank has sunlight, but if you stepped in it, it stil lacted like you were in the darkened area since the sunlight isnt really the sectors' brightness you were standing in
its not like taht anymore thou so i like that
haughty flower
but making it too bright just disorients me
foggy escarp
ill probably make the lobby grey instead of black
that way itll be a nice balance
for people using and not using tonemap and bloom
haughty flower
im the kind of person that if the sun is shinig right towards a certain angle then i am handicapped
foggy escarp
what
foggy escarp
i mean it wasnt intentional it wasnt like that in my last git build
lol
so i have to fix it obviously
like im doing right now
haughty flower
but i cant so it gets to be a blur to me
foggy escarp
currently im setting my lobby to be grey so itll be ab alance for both people using and not using tonemap and blooms, so if you do use bloom and stuff it shoudlnt be too awful
haughty flower
like i live in a house that when at sunset and if the timing is right when driving back home then i cant see anything in the target objective that i have set
combine that with 20/20 vision and the sinus related issues that ive been having lately then what we have here is the inability to move on
its like i know where i need to go but my vision is obscured
theres a level in dump 2 that if i turn on bloom then you would understand why
haughty flower
that does look good
but that is up to you if you would like that or not
its somewhat muted but i can deal with that
haughty flower
okay this is what i mean
A lot of the levels in Domp 2 looks gorgeous. This is without any filters.
Now this is with the linear golor filter that you were telling me about. I liked it however like you said it made things look brighter than it should have and darker than it would have been.
Now this is with just bloom. Still looks great. The sun isnt dileberately rednered in here but this is just about at my breaking point.
Now this is both of them combined. Now what I can see is now the top ledge of that rock is obscured by the lighting. Normally I could pick out the details around the blurred out marks there. However when I try to stare at it so I could process more of detail rather than slowly becoming more aparent it instead blurs my vision faster than i could make out the detail making it harder for me to see clearly.
foggy escarp
trippy
haughty flower
Then we have this with the same deal as the last shot. Now the water looks so unreal there. I'm not paying attention to the attention of detail thhis mapper has done here since this is besides my point. Now some maps would take those pillars and make them out of lava instead. That and the walls pouring with lava is enough for me to shut off all visual filters. Now what happens is i cant see the ripples in the lava, and everything around it gets blurred out. After adding the walls of lava then I start to have a sensory overload. I start to get my navigation impared with all the lighting. If i stay in there for too long then i would be blinded. Its fine if I were to look in there from the room over but other than that, thats what I was trying to explain.
you now understand what i mean
foggy escarp
i guess
haughty flower
its not the fault of the mapper
foggy escarp
personal preference to me its not too abd to me so i cant relate as much
haughty flower
its my impairment
i can see colors stronger than others
and dump is litterally a well controlled kalidescope
i love the visuals but my mind cant take too much of it
theres a map named green and purple in there which i can completely handle reguardless of graphical filters set
im more of the guy who would like to see and play gmaes from the early 90's where 3d models were completely untexured and every little detail had to be drawn with other polygons
this is one of the reasons why i love games like starfox and virtual racing
and when racing apex failed their kickstarer i was really upset at people not backing it
and by the way yes @foggy escarp i just seen the last image you put up. Thats the kind of detail and graphical style that gets people like myself to flock to doom mods like that
foggy escarp
what
haughty flower
im sure that went well over your head
foggy escarp
i think it did ;-;
haughty flower
i sure someone else here would understand what i have just ranted on
im saying that you got pontental
and i have a lot of faith on you and what you are working on
you have completely sold me on your mod
i was skeptical at first
to be honest i truly do like what you have showned off so far
you are doing great
keep up the good work
haughty flower
i wasnt expecting a resopnse there but that makes my night
alright i am off to bed
goodnight guys
foggy escarp
novel isle
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
haughty flower
Rip zdoom
pallid yoke
vivid forum
pallid yoke
anyone know of a script command to wait for a floor to stop moving before continuing the script?
is there a waitfor of some sort
pallid yoke
yeah
haughty flower
You can make an if so it tells the script "if the floor is at this position then"
Or
You can figure out the delay in ms and make a delay on it
pallid yoke
I just made sure it has enough of a delay. works fine. New question is if I can teleport a monster using ACS.
I am thinking A_Teleport will work
pallid yoke
it seems messy
I just want to move an arch vile to a new spot if the player decides to ignore it.
pallid yoke
I think I figured out the problem. wasnt using a teleport destination XD
used a map spot
pallid yoke
damn I cant seem to figure out why this vile is teleporting.
got it, its teleport other
pallid yoke
I think I just burned doom builder into my moniter..
shadow bone
@drowsy forum I think the GZDoom thing is gonna be a bit of a debacle for a little until Randi drops in to give some input. Ideally she'll just give Graf the reins and we'll see a massive fork merge to bring everything (GZDoom, QZdoom, -GPL, etc) into just "ZDoom" (a man can dream)
More likely GZDoom is gonna fork off hardcore and become the new premier sourceport as Graf stops backporting
drowsy forum
I would like to think so of the former indeed, but the latter is already happening so who knows.
shadow bone
which makes me sad since ZDoom is the granddaddy of it all, but progress marches on.
shadow bone
I'm just hoping that at least the new GZDoom pulls in QZDoom and finalizes all the -GPL fork stuff.
royal wave
I don't get why Zdoom guys just asked the gzdoom guys to be part of the team
Why have two branches of the same engine?
I can understand not working together if it's eternity vs chocolate, but zdoom v gzdoom? Pointless to stay separated
shadow bone
The problem is that ZDoom is solely Randi, and Randi hasn't seen fit to merge the others back into ZDoom.
unreal roost
royal wave
What's the context of the advertisement
shadow bone
@unreal roost What Major said
royal wave
Oh nvm then
drowsy forum
They were trying to post a link to another discord server.
royal wave
Oh yeah no, definitely not that
I would of let is slide if it was in the credits text of a wad
Which is why I asked for context
shadow bone
Randi also disappears for long periods of time and neglects to give input on what direction the ZDoom codebase should go.
shadow bone
so even though Graf and Erruana have done the hard work of GPL'ing the sw renderer, no one knows if Randi would approve it.
drowsy forum
If it wasn't for him, we wouldn't have gotten this far. Not even remotely.
shadow bone
Yup.
drowsy forum
Especially zscript.
shadow bone
For what it's worth, I don't want this to come off like I'm hating on Randi.
drowsy forum
Oh I think everyone understands.
royal wave
I know the feeling, I've been in grafs shoes
drowsy forum
To be honest, it's a new beginning. And I'm looking forward to seeing what graf makes of it.
Chances are he's going to punt the software renderer out the door here soon.
royal wave
I think it's going the way of gloome and just being an fps engine
shadow bone
Nah, Graf hasn't ever been interested in that.
royal wave
Would love to see an actively updated branch like that
shadow bone
At least not to my knowledge
royal wave
What? Gloome was a brilliant idea
shadow bone
It was, except it divered from the codebase.
royal wave
Darn
drowsy forum
Didn't marrub give up on it?
royal wave
Yeah it hasn't been updated for two years now
drowsy forum
Thought so.
shadow bone
I think so. GZDoom-GPL is currently where it's at for commercial use, and hopefully that'll be merged back in soon
Once that's done, GZdoom can be used commercially
Doom-cruft notwithstanding
royal wave
I considered using it up until I saw it was still running off an early version of gzdoom
drowsy forum
Yeah better wait for now.
royal wave
I'm still thinking I could use it
shadow bone
you could, it just won't be updated or in sync with current features ๐
It's perfectly capable otherwise.
royal wave
Yeah totally
It's on the list if possibilities because I already have a decent grasp on the doom engine and gzdoom builder
proper shuttle
well that would be fabulous
but what would we call the new premier source port?
nzdoom?
not zdoom?
royal wave
No it'll use vulkan
VGZDoom
Actually might as well toss in the not there
NVGZDoom
haughty flower
still running an early version of gzdoom
i wouldnt like to see how outdated your other programs are
lol
royal wave
My other programs aren't outdated?
royal wave
Gloome is a branch of gzdoom
haughty flower
sorry lol
shadow bone
I think GZDoom is gonna end up being the gold standard for Doom-engine modding soon (it almost is already). The only thing really lacking is the SW renderer and full GPL compliance. If (when?) Graf merges in QZDoom and GZDoom-GPL it'll pretty much be the only source port worth talking about, IMO
The main delay thus far has only been Graf refusing to split from ZDoom, and I think he's finally tired of playing that game.
royal wave
But zdoom still leads in popularity and needs to maintain compatibility
I never hear of anyone using zandronum for single player
royal wave
Well ur doing it wrng scrub
keen drift
Nah man it's all about that LGBTQWERTYGZDoom
royal wave
You forgot the N
keen drift
Okay, but genuine question: is there any real reason that I, a casual doom player who doesn't use any mods besides smooth doom, would need or want to upgrade beyond the latest stable release of GZDoom?
proper shuttle
finally god
now graf has to make gzdoom modular enough for full backwards compatibility
so you can always have support for the really old mods
even if decorate or acs wither on the vine
shadow bone
@keen drift Mostly for bugfixes. There's a particularly nasty pitch bug that's gotten propagated over the last few months/years, and they finally untangled it last week. Chances are lots of mods are gonna break in the next major release.
keen drift
So, what should I upgrade to?
shadow bone
Right now you're probably safe on Stable 2.2.0 (I've been using that for a while too). But it's likely that once the next major version of GZdoom drops a lot of high profile mods are going to update. Just be aware you can't sit on the current stable forever.
Especially since some like D4D are going to be moving to ZScript as well. I think Graf plans on another GZDoom release once ZScript is finalized.
keen drift
I really only use smooth doom, I guess I'll just update when it does
shadow bone
That works.
haughty flower
Hohly shit @pallid yoke
pallid yoke
getting close to finishing the level. on the last final battle and its really god damn hard ><
royal wave
that's a pretty impressive map @pallid yoke
unreal oyster
yeah, looks cool. perhaps has a lil bit of 90 degree angle fever but it's not anyone's place to judge before it can be actually played lol
๐
unreal oyster
perhaps, i aint played past the first map on NRFTL
pallid yoke
didnt like it?
unreal oyster
it's not that, i just tend to quit things easily lol
i don't have a particularly large attention span lol
pallid yoke
oh yeah
foggy escarp
is there a way to make msuic pause when you pause the game
as in, the menu
not the pause thing that i didnt even know was a feature
i asked in another discord but i havent gotten too much confirmation either
found a janky way to do it
Playsound
isnt affected by music slider but its all i can do as far as i know
wouldnt that mean, multiple of these would play if there was more than 1 player
if so, thats.. sucks
no wait this doesnt work ebcause the monster activates this script
im actually at a loss
nvm i got it to work, but at thsi rate, multiplayer for this wad is no longer possible
music is affected by reverb too thats a problem i have to live with
i really wish there was ab etter way to do this -.-
oh wait no it goes back to my previous sound after awhile, wow i actually give up.
drowsy forum
At this point, zdoom multiplayer and feature compatibility are split so wide open, they appear to be falling apart.
So it's basically down to single player with awesomesauce features or multiplayer with limited capabilities.
goes single player any day. Is good at programming AI to do smart things.
novel isle
isn't much of an MP person anyways, but still feels bad there won't be great MP support for the other ppl :V
drowsy forum
What can I say? Sometimes strings need pruning to continue. Perhaps after ZScript is actually complete, there will be focus on network compatibility.
proper shuttle
that would be the best
give it high grade MP support, so zandronum can go away
there can be only one... premier MP source port
unreal oyster
@drowsy forum is there any tutorial for ZScript yet?
drowsy forum
Whatever's on the wiki so far.
Which I did put quite a lot of effort into and so far I'm the only one even doing a damn thing about.
drowsy forum
It doesnt cover everything though. Still lots more to go.
unreal oyster
yeah i getcha
drowsy forum
But that'll at least get you covering most of the basics.
unreal oyster
btw - i wrote a bot for searching for things on some various doom places for this server -
;zdoomwiki_search zscript
edgy grottoBOT
drowsy forum
Cool!
unreal oyster
unlike the normal embeds, mine actually shows the article summary
because zdoom wiki doesn't actually give data for that lol
btw @drowsy forum has a file extension for zscript been decided on?
i'd like to use something standardised
like people use .dec
or w/e
drowsy forum
Er, zdoom just goes with .txt.
unreal oyster
ok i just had a quick look, the notepad++ syntax highlighting will recognise .zsc
so i'll use that
coincidentally, .zsc is what zbrush uses for it's scripting language....
also called zscript
zscript is a good name for the zdoom scripting language but it's kinda taken lol
oh well though
heh
prisma saddle
I'd have named it ZDScript...
unreal oyster
by the way @drowsy forum is stuff written with zscript subject to break in the future?
and yeah @prisma saddle i would agree
prisma saddle
Not sure how to condence it into three letters though.
unreal oyster
eh
file extensions have no need to be 3 letters long
this isn't DOS
.html is super widely used
for example
prisma saddle
Maybe .ZDSC
But then again, I'm not a programmer or a guy who's good at naming things.
unreal oyster
uh @drowsy forum do i need to enable zscript somewhere and how do i do that if i need to?
lol
drowsy forum
-zscript
unreal oyster
ahhh cool
drowsy forum
...huh that wasn't on the wiki. Adding.
unreal oyster
so for scripting stuff in zscript, is it just the same syntax as DECORATE anonymous functions?
drowsy forum
Yeah, kinda.
unreal oyster
hmm.
my wad don't look too good in software.
so i guess that's what zdoom tries to do if it is told to render straight down, huh
yeah that don't look too great
lol
epilepsy warning on that mp4 btw
haughty flower
that is mildly interesting
haughty flower
3 files 1 wad
is it better to put every monster in one decorate or split em up
Bullet Hell Doom - Classes so far (WIP)
the Heavy has more health but currently only carries a pistol
the Normal can carry any weapon while only having 25 HP
the Heavy has 50 HP max
haughty flower
@foggy escarp the Ristol :3
foggy escarp
about the decorate thing
its really preference
i used to put everything in a seperate decorate but its starts getting you a crap topn of decorate
personally i put them in catagories, one for weaopns, one for monsters, one for decoration/misc
etc
haughty flower
mappers and modders, i need some help with decorate
i forgot how to parent stuff so it doesn't affect eachother
i.e i want a cacodemon ball to not collide with a caco only
haughty flower
i think i got it, testing
why does this happen
the fireballs are in place
and don't move
@unreal oyster
they also spawn IN the cracodemon
unreal oyster
Idk there's probably a way to tell them to move or something
Are those custom projectiles
unreal oyster
I'd try to help but I'm on mobile right now so it's kinda difficult
@drowsy forum you able to help here?
Sorry for tagging you so much btw lol
haughty flower
READ D 5 Bright A_CustomMissile("CacoBullet",46,20,0,0,0,0)
why won't the cacobullet move
drowsy forum
Give it a speed property.
haughty flower
i gave the bullets a speed property
the speed is 5 and fastspeed is 10
but it still doesn't want to work
also, how do i change the spawn offsets for front/backward
drowsy forum
You'd have to paste your full code i norder for me to give any advice.
wooden portal
^
drowsy forum
Pastebin. Your post was deleted.
drowsy forum
What's with the flags on the projectiles?
haughty flower
eh
drowsy forum
Yes, but that's what the SHOOTABLE flag is for.
Not SOLID.
SOLID means it blocks.
Take it off.
drowsy forum
Did it work?
haughty flower
i just straight copied it from a doom post i think tho
trying out now
hmm no it doesn't, it just still stands in place
let me try checking all codes again
drowsy forum
For the time being, remove all the flags and see what's going on.
haughty flower
A_CUSTOMMISSILE is the right flag, right?
i tried removing everything and uh, it still doesn't seem to do anything, let me change the speed values
drowsy forum
Function you mean. Yeah, until you get to the later versions.
What version of zdoom are you using?
haughty flower
???
i didn't post anything vega
anyways
pre-306-gd36993a
GZDoom, by the way
but it just does this
the demon proceeds to do an attack in which the fireballs just stand in place completely frozen
should i try using SPECIES or anything?
drowsy forum
Try updating your gzdoom.
haughty flower
kay
drowsy forum
ANd/or remove FastSpeed.
haughty flower
what if i make a certain species and just make them have nocollide
i had this problem before and i found a doomworld forum post about something
i think it was with species too
drowsy forum
Projectiles shouldn't collide or have any issues for that matter though. If anything, post this code in a bug report.