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#classic-doom-maps-mods
haughty flower
unreal oyster
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haughty flower
lol ok
oh man
i just remembered
i used to have no idea abut source ports
and i used to have skulltag
and thought those "supa kewl" enemies came with the actual wads
๐
@shadow bone you should extend the pistol arm sprite, and add limits for the smoothed-moving
mind if i modify your pk3?
shadow bone
Sure, go 'head. Can't promise I'll keep all the changes but if I do it'll go in the credits ๐
haughty flower
i'll just be extending the sprite arm
and uh
making a realistic shotgun
and modifying the status bar
shadow bone
If you want to fork or branch the project, here's the source on GitHub: https://github.com/caligari87/tranquility
elder ridgeBOT
I am A78901, a fourth generation AI personality.
shadow bone
Cool.
haughty flower
i'm modifying he hud @shadow bone
shadow bone
No problem.
unreal oyster
second one looked better than that
you're overcomplicating it with the diagonals at the top imo
shadow bone
Fair nuff, just reminded me of that
haughty flower
unreal oyster
is that from doom delta or just a screenshot of the alpha?
haughty flower
its the alpha
unreal oyster
well yeah but there is a mod called "Doom Delta" which ports a lot of the alpha/beta stuff to zdoom
it looks like the alpha though looking at it now
shadow bone
Just out of curiosity, why are you using my mod as a base for this?
haughty flower
because i want you to add it to your mod
because it looks more realistic than the actual hud
plus i'll probably add some helmet visor thing
on the center and corners
shadow bone
Well, just be aware that the mod isn't nearly finished. Maybe make it like a mutator that loads on top, so when I do a general public release people can use it?
unreal oyster
well to be fair @haughty flower the most "realistic" type of hud for most FPS' would be no HUD at all lol
shadow bone
That's what I mean
shadow bone
I can put a link to it when I do a release.
shadow bone
Cool
haughty flower
im gonna edit the bulle tthing
to be like the beta
@shadow bone you'll have to edit STBARINFO
unreal oyster
er, maybe you could do that yourself @haughty flower
considering you are the one making this hud
haughty flower
no because idk how because i am stupeed
shadow bone
My mod doesn't use "clip" for the pistol ammo, it uses a new ammotype
The default hud only uses the "clip" ammo, so until I get around to that it's not gonna show up in the hud
haughty flower
ye
you'll have to edit STBARINFO to get the ammo thing showing tho
you can just delete the ammo numbers from STBARINFO if you can't find a way to put your custom ammo in there
so it'd be temporarily empty
shadow bone
Yes, I know. I haven't gotten that far yet.
haughty flower
also, this
since player height is realistic, you eat the whole exit sign
with french fries
and ketchup
shadow bone
This is super-pre-alpha, you know.
I only really posted to see what people think about the sight system
haughty flower
also i jumped against a wall
and yeah i know
i jumped against a wall and now i'm spiderman
this is a cool mod
not being ironic
wait
i'm stuck on the current sector height now
shadow bone
Dunno why you'd be stuck to the wall, I didn't put anything like that in there
haughty flower
i'm not stuck
now i'm floating
i can walk around
everytime i jump i don't lower
shadow bone
Haven't noticed that on my end. Maybe it's a bug with Nashmove (the movement system I'm using)
shadow bone
haughty flower
also nevermind
i didn't eat the exit sign
it was because of the jump bug
im bored
there was a jumping bug, i think
haughty flower
doin some mapin
haughty flower
how's this wad
final remnant
sorry to barge in, but question: whats the most-used utility for map building these days? last time I took a look it was DoomBuilder, is that still true?
inner fulcrum
np
dawn saffron
@inner fulcrum are you gonna be around in an hour or maybe a bit more?
inner fulcrum
Ye
weak lodge
oh shit i forgot that i now have to redo my classic episode all over again because i left the files on my old computer which broke
unreal oyster
hard drive not salvagable?
if it wasn't a hard drive fault you can just take it out and put it into your current PC
weak lodge
one of the screen hinges fucked up and i'm not going to risk damaging it even further
https://gyazo.com/9ee2d2b770e50582501a30a72a0d7017.png here's a image of the first map though
unreal oyster
screen hinges?
unreal oyster
sorry about the link getting removed, there's a cooldown of 20s
oh ok it was a laptop
weak lodge
yeah
the first map is on the zdoom forums
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=53150&p=932066&hilit=callisto#p932066 here's the link to it if you're interested in playing
haughty flower
gutawer
unreal oyster
yes...
inner fulcrum
Gonna update link since I've edited the Status bar graphic
dawn saffron
do i need something other than your wad and does it use coustom music?
inner fulcrum
Ye, It's a Christmas midi, Noel
inner fulcrum
dawn saffron
doom 2 or doom 1?
dawn saffron
alright, i'm good to go then
inner fulcrum
brb, fixing mistakes.
unreal oyster
why?
haughty flower
cause i'm bored
and i want to map something
@unreal oyster how's it lookin for now
sorry for mention btw
unreal oyster
looks like an untextured pile of shit that doesn't need to exist
haughty flower
i'm not texturing it
it's just the map layout
i'll texture it when the shit is actually finished
weak lodge
don't you love it when you move a line in gzdoom builder and it fucks up the whole sector
uhhhuggughh
how the fuck do i prevent that
shadow bone
@royal wave Best way to learn git is to set up a dummy repository with some random text files and just start changing things.
I'm no expert but I'd be happy to help you learn
royal wave
I'll take you up some time then
Not right now, not in a situation where I can really do much of anything
but thank you for the offer!
weak lodge
i'm making a dm map inspired my underhalls
royal wave
That sounds cool
shadow bone
Uh, Ctrl+Z to undo whatever you did.
Other than that, I dunno.
Are you using GZDoomBuilder?
It's usually pretty good about avoiding that kind of thing.
Ah, you are.
Nevermind
haughty flower
Guys, i have an map pack concept
I need opinions
Typing it out soon
so, i was gonna make a good map pack until i had the idea to.. change doom 1 and 2's maps into some more destroyed things. As in, you return.
haughty flower
@unreal oyster wanna test my... first good map?
unreal oyster
yeah, gimme the wad and i'll give it a go later today
frank basin
@royal wave Best way to learn git is to put some code made by sweat and hard work without backups elsewhere. That's a real nice motivator to get everything right.
dawn saffron
@haughty flower do you need more playtesters? i would gladly play your map on stream
haughty flower
no need to stream @dawn saffron
it's really small
but if you want i can DM you the file
dawn saffron
no, the question is, do you want to watch me play through it
or not
but sure that's becoming sort of a tradition to stream a level of doom before commiting to a different game
haughty flower
monster/item placement done in the past 5 minutes
the chaingunners are on a 3D platform, not straight into the sector
frank basin
hmm
haughty flower
it's not perfect, but i've never actually finished an gameplay map
only some test stuff and i've deleted my whole maps folder i had some time ago
i just found out that making a doorframe is better than just straight out a door
haughty flower
i just finished a new map
haughty flower
Well once I ca, I will post my first map that I made last month.
haughty flower
like where?
i just played it and i seems to end very quickly
i messed it up. i need to change the PK3 because it seems that I messed it up in a way that makes it not work.
I completely fubard it the second time. NOW Here's my map that's going to be in a community project
haughty flower
I don't know where you screwed up on
haughty flower
What do you mean? I loaded the PK3 wrong earlier and the map just wasn't there when i uploaded it the second time.
If it was meant to load on map01 for that time being I would have already figure out what slot it went over.
A good chunk of us has Doom front ends.
Now I might have downloaded it right before you realized what you did wrong therefore not seeing where you messed up.
haughty flower
Ahh. Sorry.
haughty flower
@restive glade have fun
hazy lantern
SnapMap Update: 30 LAZARUS LAB-THEMED MODULES!
glass jetty
haughty flower
what
haughty flower
Like I have the hard drive space for it currently.
haughty flower
I going to bump my 1tb hdd to something bigger. That also includes my 128gb ssd.
...and well once I seen this on my HDD I knew that it was time.
haughty flower
ok so
essentially my issue is
im trying to figure out these fuckin doors
and whenever i press USE on it it closes and opens JUST SLIGHTLY
not even fully
ive looked at the tutorial
and it didnt help
royal wave
are you sure you're using the correct action
royal wave
you lowered the ceiling and not the floor
royal wave
there should only be two lines that are green?
royal wave
is there a raise by value or lip value?
unreal oyster
@haughty flower this is much easier if you provide screenshots
unreal oyster
ok, cool. now could you give a screenshot of just the door overhead view, with no menu in the way?
haughty flower
oh
uploading slows my pc down like a fucker
ok nvm those dont really show much
hang on
here u go
does this suffice
royal wave
Is the ceiling not lowered through the floor?
haughty flower
udmf?
royal wave
Universal Doom Map Format
another huge improvement to the doom modding scene
Pros: Allows complete access to the modern source ports tricks, and is twelve billion times more flexible
Cons: Will not run on classic ports
haughty flower
learning modding is NOT fun i can tell you this much lol
royal wave
From a beginners perspective no
haughty flower
hey
would it be possible to take all of realm667's bestiary
compile it into one wad with slade
and be able to run it?
royal wave
Yeah
royal wave
Aeons of death probably has actually
royal wave
except that's not really "Realm667"
royal wave
shrug
unreal oyster
aeons of death is garbage
unreal oyster
you're playing a cacowards "worst wad" winner
it's such a goddamn mess it literally got called the worst wad of 2010 for being such a mess
haughty flower
@haughty flower sector mode, select door sector, shift + D
drowsy forum
@haughty flower I can help you with AEoD. Yes, yes, I know, a lot of people think it's garbage but to this day I'm still maintaining it.
Just like I am with D4D, I'm never going to abandon them.
Also @unreal oyster a long time ago, it was a mess indeed. We've cleaned shit up though since then.
We've dumped all the realm667 monsters.
drowsy forum
What problems crop up, and are you on 6.04 or whatever the fuck I had it on last... lemme look...
haughty flower
im usinig gzdoom
drowsy forum
Right but what version?
drowsy forum
Ah the DRD builds. Okay, what crashes? Or what's the load-up problem?
drowsy forum
Tell me when you next run it and I'll help you out.
hoary tulip
Zscript's introduction may mess older mods
drowsy forum
Yeah. I've been working on fixing all that crap in both mods. It even messes with D4D. That's why I spent the past few months maintaining D4D in zscript lately.
haughty flower
hang on major\
are you working on an alpha build or waiting til the next gzdoom update
because i dont think its ever going to update any time soon
like ever...
I wonder.... Hmm...
hoary tulip
I'm waiting for ZScript myself to launch updates to my mods
drowsy forum
Alpha build of... ZScript?
@haughty flower it'll update soon. Graf recently fixed something stupid with multi-dimensional arrays in zscript, it's all a matter of when he actually merges it into GZDoom.
I grew tired of waiting myself so I compile GZDoom now. I don't wait.
unreal oyster
Oh ok @drowsy forum I may have to give it another go heh
Also, nice to see you in here
haughty flower
hey, I have a question about A_ActiveSound. who can help?
not that i can help but what's the question @haughty flower
I have a A_PlaySound parameter in one of DECORATE entries and I want to make it play at random llop cycles. for example every 10-20-50 cycle. I've lurked Doom wiki and I can't find anything like this
blazing blade
Hey guys. I'm new to mapping in Doom Builder and I'm always having trouble with doors, sometimes I make it work, but most of the time when I try to test the level and I go to open a door the door texture moves slightly but doesn't open. Then after a while it plays the door closing effect and it goes back to normal. Like in the video file provided.
Nothing comes up when I google it, so I turned to you guys. What causes this?
unreal oyster
@haughty flower you'll need to use A_Jump's chance parm to randomly skip the A_PlaySound command sometimes
haughty flower
oh yeah
A_Jump is used for switching states or randomizing
so i need to make something like this: "CIV2 E 0 A_Jump"?
unreal oyster
uh, no - you need something like A_Jump(230) or something
that will jump 230/255 times
meaning that the sound will only play 25/255 loops
haughty flower
basically 255 is 100% and 1 is 1%
haughty flower
yeah but practically
well, I will try it. thanks
oh whatever
i dunno
i'm confused, i thought it was a chance to @unreal oyster
unreal oyster
wut?
in A_Jump 256 will always jump (the default) while 0 will never jump
so 230, for example, will has a 230/256 of jumping
=wolf simplify 230/256
pale rainBOT
Query made by @unreal oyster
Data sourced from Wolfram|Alpha: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=simplify+230%2F256
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unreal oyster
so 89.84%
okay @blazing blade i've had this problem before, make sure all linedefs are pointing in the correct directions
and try using the "make sector" tool on the door's sector and the surrounding sectors
if that all fails, then just rebuild the door
blazing blade
The correct direction is outwards, right?
haughty flower
but what's with string state?
unreal oyster
?
haughty flower
Script error, "CIVMALE.zip:decorate" line 25:
Expected ',', got ')'.
unreal oyster
uh, could you post line 25
haughty flower
ok, something works. thanks
blazing blade
Here's a screenshot of the door in question https://i.gyazo.com/0b000be88e1999a9b063f5092da75502.png
torn timber
I wonder if it has anything to do with those small triangular sectors on the sides of the door
if those aren't going to open,
just delete the sectors, and redo the textures on the walls
it might be trying to move to the height of those sectors
torn timber
that's what I thought
unreal oyster
yeah that would have been my guess too, minesae beat me to it heh
torn timber
they try to move to the nearest sector height I think
unreal oyster
;zdoomwiki_search a_jump
edgy grottoBOT
neat oxide
Links to A+Jump, not A_Jump
unreal oyster
and...?
neat oxide
And there's no wiki page for A+Jump
edgy grottoBOT
unreal oyster
there we go
neat oxide
Good now!
unreal oyster
;zdoomwiki_search a jump
edgy grottoBOT
edgy grottoBOT
unreal oyster
putting "25" in doesn't mean "jump to line 25"
haughty flower
yes, to line 25
unreal oyster
it means "jump 25 states ahead"
haughty flower
ok, I understand
neat oxide
Also note that "Loop" doesn't count as a state, so using A_Jump(170, 2) will jump straight into Pain state.
Use A_Jump(170, "See").
unreal oyster
oh yeah good point
neat oxide
@haughty flower To simulate a pause in execution, add a state that repeats same sprite that was before it, and set duration in tics. Like "####" "#" 35, which would make object appear doing nothing for 1 second.
unreal oyster
if you are wondering what "####" "#" actually means, it basically says "inherit the last state's sprite"
haughty flower
ok thanks
drowsy forum
Thanks @unreal oyster. Yeah. I promise, it really has evolved from what it used to be.
In fact, now you can switch on and off whatever mode you like.
Here, @unreal oyster https://puu.sh/sLUO3/65cb13f5d5.png
(Ignore the fact that doomguy's face is there.)
https://puu.sh/sLUQY/408821935e.png We've added a metric fuckton of options.
In good time you'll be able to even arrange what weapons you want to come first.
hoary tulip
How did you do that?
I've been wanting to make such a thing for a long time
Is it some script changing the priority property based on a cvar?
drowsy forum
You can't change the priority property. You basically have to rebind the keys, pre-zscript. However, since zscript is coming and there's a way to detect weapon changing, I'm going to port it over to zscript and drop kick the acs side of it for good. That way you don't have to rebind the keys.
unreal oyster
is zscript mostly just a decorate clone right now? i was following the zdoom forum thread but it became too long so i stopped following it lol
super stoked for its final form though
drowsy forum
It can do much more than Decorate now. ๐
Like, you can make your own functions and crap now. Weapons can finally have their own local variables along with inventory items. You can even access those variables too from other things.
unreal oyster
ah, cool
drowsy forum
I've been working to slowly update the documentation on the zdoom wiki. Doing this on my own is taking a good while.
It's annoying.
unreal oyster
i'll have to check it out at some point, i may rewrite my ACS stuff for jimmy's project A Boy and His Barrel to use ZScript at some point
drowsy forum
Do it. It's worth it.
But yes. AEoD has evolved from the shitstain it used to be into something far better, I can promise that much.
There's even a joke mode in which the joke characters are so if you don't like redneck rampage, shut'em off there. However taht means you'll be missing out on some powerful joke weapons.
Like the popcorn gun. Instantly kills clown enemies. Ripped right from Happy Time Circus 2.
๐
unreal oyster
well idk if an ACS -> ZScript port for the stuff i've done is even plausible/possible, the stuff i've done is basically code for bouncepads (portal 2 style) and pressure plates
all of which is mostly hacks because the doom engine
lol
drowsy forum
If they're actors, it's perfectly doable.
novel isle
BTW Cooke, is the WhenAttacked/Damage stuff in ZScript still going to be a thing?
unreal oyster
oh no, the bouncepads/pressure plates are part of the map geometry
unreal oyster
my idea was kinda to detect if the actor was on a bouncepad or pressure plate in the actor's definition rather than in ACS
since it would lead to a lot less hassle
drowsy forum
That wouldn't be hard.
unreal oyster
i'll have a look into it once ZScript is able to acces map data
novel isle
I wonder if there's a way to know if the attacked target was directly hit but took 0 damage [like so you can display a special message that says "No Damage" or something, or prevent it from bleeding if it normally does].
unreal oyster
or is that a thing now?
drowsy forum
You'd just need an actor to sit on top of the plates.
@unreal oyster It is a thing now, somewhat. I don't know how far along it is, but there's definitely access to some map content. You'll have to check inside the (g)zdoom.pk3 inside the zscript definitions. Check the comments carefully though, some of them are clearly unfinished.
@novel isle DamageMobj has always returned the damage dealt as an int.
So if it didn't hurt them at all, it returns 0 or -1.
novel isle
but ZScript will allow you to check that for use with other stuff, or is it already possible to do that before ZScript. I have this "evasion" mechanic, and it would be nice to have a thing like "dodged" or something pop up when the player's evasion is what saved them from damage, instead of the player being left confused to why they didn't take damage even though they got hit dead on by something like a Baron ball or rocket. ๐
drowsy forum
That type of situation you'll want to rely on things like SpecialMissileHit. Which is what the bloodscourge projectiles do.
And that's zscript only.
Well, I take that back.
I think you can do it now, but... actually wait, it's a virtual.
Yeah it's zscript only.
novel isle
it would have to apply to any form of damage though in my case, not just traditional projectiles [like melee damage, hitscan damage, damagefloor damage]
drowsy forum
Including explosion?
drowsy forum
Yeah you'll need the DamageMobj as a virtual. This makes me curious how hard it would be to convert it now since he's just talking about 'DamageMobj' and not P_DamageMobj...
novel isle
yeah, the mechanic I'm talking about is already in, my only real remaining issue is that the player always knows if they've been hit, even if they weren't actually hurt [like if they were hit from behind, but took no damage, they might not necessarily know something else is there until they get hit again and actually get damaged that time since the evasion mechanic didn't "block" the damage]
that's why that WhenAttacked thing interested me so much
it reminded me of the htextra struct in EDuke32
drowsy forum
You want the missile to pass through them?
novel isle
no, it hits them, but the damage is blocked by the mechanic. Think of RPG games where you can some times "dodge" or the attack "misses" even though it looks like the attack hit them dead on. That's what I'm doing.
drowsy forum
Yeah I know. But I always found it weird they 'dodge' it despite the projectile impacting and 'dying'
Makes more sense to me if it goes through them instead. ๐
novel isle
true, but that's how I have it working
wouldn't work. The evasion chance is calculated each tic, so you're not gonna be "evasive" long enough for the projectile to fully pass through
drowsy forum
That's what SpecialMissileHit is for.
shrugs
@novel isle SpecialMissileHit is used for that very purpose.
It's like trying and failing to pick up an inventory item.
Yo can't pick it up again until after you stop touching it.
novel isle
well if it applies only to missiles, that still doesn't look like it'd cover other types of damage, like being hit by a melee attack or whatnot
novel isle
yeah, but would that be applied to hitscans and melee, because I don;t think those count as projectiles last I remember
novel isle
sorry if that's a bit confusing Cooke. The idea behind the mechanic is that the evasion chance rolls each tic, and if it's positive, it gives you a PowerProtection that fully negates all damage during that tic, to emulate "dodging/evading"
drowsy forum
Oh come on vega stop eating my damn post!
frank basin
Yeah so vega has a few weird anti-spamming rules set up
novel isle
something tells me VEGA doesn't like ZScript :V
frank basin
Too many of the same character in a message for example
drowsy forum
An exception needs to be made for code blocks using the discord feature...
Anyway, melee is perfectly doable. This is the pinkie demon's melee attack.
novel isle
and so you'll be able to edit these in ZScript basically?
drowsy forum
Kinda. You have to make your own in a way. It's not hard though.
You can definitely make a check for the dodge token and add a chance for it to just not do any damage.
novel isle
well the method I did for the actual blocking of damage is very simple yet very universal. It's just the indicator to the player they got hit but took no damage is the remaining issue at the moment
drowsy forum
Hitscan's also doable. A bit trickier though.
Hmm. Also take note that the player gains JUSTHIT every time they take damage.
novel isle
it's a flag, right?
drowsy forum
Yeah. You can clear that off if needed, whenever.
novel isle
JUSTHIT is only if they actually take 1+ damage though?
drowsy forum
No. When pained.
novel isle
oh
drowsy forum
Er, actually...
When they poceed to do the painchance, regardless of being pained or not.
But that itself might be a problem based on if they have NOPAIN or a projectile has PAINLESS.
novel isle
Trying it out, it looks like for the player JUSTHIT doesn't go away once activated o.o
drowsy forum
You have to remove it manually.
drowsy forum
Nope. But ZScript does. :B
novel isle
figures :V
drowsy forum
Except a couple.
novel isle
@drowsy forum still didn't help though because I guess you have to take some kind of damage for the flag to activate. Would "JUSTATTACKED" be any better to try over "JUSTHIT"? I saw that in the flags list.
drowsy forum
No.
That's for whenever an actor enters a missile state.
Now, what particular area are you trying to cover, explosion damage or a missile actually hitting you?
novel isle
ok
taking any kind of hit
but I doubt this can be done right now without trying ZScropt
drowsy forum
Yeah.
novel isle
*ZScript
drowsy forum
So do you basically not want the player to react?
If so, could give the player NOPAIN and INVULNERABLE.
novel isle
no, when hit by any source of damage, I want it to track how much was done, including 0 damage hits, and if the hit did 0 damage, I can make the game show a message that you took no damage from the hit.
I've done it in my EDuke32 mod before
drowsy forum
Yeah, you need zscript for that.
novel isle
alright then ๐ฎ
novel isle
yeah, but the core thing is I need the code to know I was hit, regardless of if it did any damage, more or less, and I guess ZScript will be able to do that
sorry for the lack of immediate response. Sometimes it feels like even my most simple explainations are still to hard for some people to fully interpret. x.x
drowsy forum
+ALLOWPAIN and/or +CAUSEPAIN can help there too.
ALLOWPAIN allows entities that absorb the damage to enter pain states as long as the damage was 1 or more. It cares not if the damage was absorbed.
Same for invulnerable actors.
Then you can use JUSTHIT to your advantage.
CAUSEPAIN will always invoke the chance to do pain which gives JUSTHIT as well.
novel isle
ALLOWPAIN is set on actors, and CAUSEPAIN on projectiles, right?
drowsy forum
Right. CAUSEPAIN works with <= 0 damage.
But ALLOWPAIN works on ORIGINAL damage > 0. As long as the original damage was 1 or more, it won't matter if it was absorbed or blocked by invulnerability, etc.
novel isle
so now I got a possibly odd question to ask with ALLOWPAIN. Since they'll go into the pain state, is there a way that when they do that, the game can "remember" the previous state before they enter their pain state and then get set back to that state after the pain stuff runs [instead of going to the usual "see" state or whatever the DECORATE coder set at the end of the Pain state]. I'm asking this since making the player appear to "flinch" if they take a 0 damage hit is weird from a visual perspective, and it might unset their current animation too.
I'm still probably making this sound more complicated than I think it is.
also I'm assuming this would require ZScript though now that I think of it
drowsy forum
It's possible but also extremely tasking. For that, I'd wait for ZScript.
Yes.
Wait for him to at least implement the virtual override.
novel isle
yeah I've waited a while, so I can wait a while longer :V
drowsy forum
Or you could do all your important stuff in overlays.
Overlays are never interrupted.
novel isle
Well I've hardly worked in Overlays so far, and I thought they were meant for weapons specfically though
drowsy forum
I use them for behind-the-scenes actor processing. Look at the Doom4Player in D4D.
It's how you can triple jump and does all the cooldowns.
Hell, even ledge grabbing.
novel isle
gonna be honest, I haven't played D4D yet >.>; been too busy with other stuff to play many other mods, so it's nothing against anyone specfically. So much mod-testing on my end doesn't leave a ton of time to play with other mods. x.x
drowsy forum
Heh. Understandable.
I haven't played any other mod lately either.
That'll give you an idea on how overlays work though.
novel isle
I'm surprised I still have any vanilla Doom experience left over :V
but yeah, I'll try to give that a looksie though
I kind of wish there was a way to print out in the console the Info of the player actor you're controlling though
like how "info" works on monsters/etc
or get the "PrintInv" for the monster you're looking at
novel isle
I forget if I tried that before or not with one of them, but I'll try to do that later
novel isle
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=54558 - k so I made that pair of suggestions :V
novel isle
https://github.com/rheit/zdoom/pull/943 - ooh, "myinfo" cmd.
drowsy forum
She's a bit of a mind reader, that one. ๐
hoary tulip
I wonder if Eruanna took Public Relationships or Customer Support-related classes
neat oxide
Code tic tac toe
neat oxide
Lemme guess
haughty flower
?
neat oxide
Crematorium?
neat oxide
Gah
haughty flower
doom but bullet hell
haughty flower
what can i use to make an enemy fire a custom missile?
A_FireCustomMissile gives errors and A_FireMissile doesn't work.
haughty flower
nerfed the fuck out of the combat shotgun in my mod
10 round tube capacity reduced to 6 in exchange for +10 pellets fired
so it goes from 15 to 25
@randomstuffican'ttypeoutbutineedtocopypasteitbuti'mtoolazy what mod?
Insanity's Requiem Mk.2
what's the purpose of it? ๐
its a randomizer mod, new weapons, optional monster pack that balances out said weapons
sounds great
haughty flower
better?
tbh i thought you were talking about the name of my mod >_>
I'll be honest and admit its not the most original name but
play some of the more monster laded mapsets and watch the shitstorm unfold
novel isle
@drowsy forum quick-question: could ZScript allow an actor besides the player to become suspectible to damagefloors or at least able to check to see if they're in a sector of that type to run an "emulation" script for similar effects?
drowsy forum
That you'll need to ask Graf.
novel isle
hm
what's the best place to ask? I don't know if making a topic just to ask would make him too happy.
novel isle
@drowsy forum http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=54565&p=961890#p961890 - this is Graf's response, so appearantly it might be doable, though monster AI would be pretty dumb, so they'd likely die from it if there's no resistance checks, etc
drowsy forum
Nothing anyone cannot handle with a bit of time and patience.
proper shuttle
what's zscript supposed to introduce
will it make me able to make better doom mods with blackjack and hookers
drowsy forum
You could say that.
shadow bone
It's lower-level code than ACS or DECORATE though, so it's going to take more experience and knowledge.
drowsy forum
Meaning you should most likely learn to program first. Java or C(++)
Learn the concepts at least.
Also it's incomplete. If you don't know what you're doing, don't use it yet.
plush sapphire
Concept: In Snapmap I am creating a four-player campaign with a bit of a twist where players sometimes become demons... I am at the first occurence of this, where the players all run down a dark hallway (custom geometry) that will teleport them all to the next area. The first player to walk through however is teleported elsewhere for a bit before teleporting again inside of a containment pod with a glass wall covering the opening. An experiment is performed that transforms said player into a Baron. Meanwhile the other players are still trekking forward blasting through demons until the stumble upon the room the Baron has been locked inside of. I want there to be a battle between demon player and human players, but I don't want the demon player killed outright. I want him to transform back to human after reaching a certain health percentage.
Question: How can I detect the demon player's health and change him back once it reaches a certain percentage?
jolly summit
@plush sapphire use player's proxy to get the health value, AFAIK the proxy node works no matter if the player is human or demon
plush sapphire
That's what I started messing with to try to get it. I have a couple ideas I can try with it too that I came up with while lying in bed (yes I Snapmap in my fucking sleep... I have a problem lol)
Last time I sat down at it though I was just not getting it... best I had was having the players kill the demon and retrieve a keycard, but that's not really what I wanted to go for due to the oddness of respawning at the start.
jolly summit
who doesn't when you think too much in a certain thing you left incomplete, i suppose 99% of everyone here don't sleep until it is done
plush sapphire
Plus I think it'd be better for the "story" if the player returned to human at least this first time.
I'll definitely mess more with player proxy... perhaps I can set a filter on it.
That would make things easier.
haughty flower
so, it's uh.. You return to the ruins of what used to be the hangar, toxic refinery etc. (basically doom 1 destroyed) But the demons settled down and made it their own base. You have to kill them before it gets out of hand
format is gonna be a problem >.<
hazy lantern
@haughty flower We should talk...
haughty flower
kay
haughty flower
and another question. can I easily scale images not via GIMP or something?
hazy lantern
@dawn saffron Didn't you make something in GIMP sometime? I don't remember lol
shadow bone
What's the context? you can scale textures/sprites in-game with ZDoom's TEXTURES lump, UDMF, and the DECORATE "Scale" actor property.
Otherwise you usually need to use an image editor (like GIMP) to scale images.
haughty flower
well ok
dawn saffron
@hazy lantern no i haven't used gimp for years
i use photoshop
i have made 16x16 textures though
hoary tulip
yet another abandoned map
weak lodge
looks nice though
drowsy forum
@steel onyx So for shits and giggles, I gave Twilight the ability to nom down on enemies (and randomly tossed AEoD on top of it for lulz).
She bit into a Quake 2 tank mini-boss and chewed him into pieces.
So yeah! She's even more dangerous than ever! OM FACKIN' NOM.
steel onyx
Good.
drowsy forum
Flesh or metal, she will eat them all.
frank basin
Fuck yeah ponies ๐ค
drowsy forum
Now to make it so she can bite down on multiple monsters at once in a group...
frank basin
Awesome!
drowsy forum
The power of ZScript at my fingertips.
frank basin
I should look into that stuff, looks really neat
frank basin
lmao
shadow bone
Is she a model or sprites? I forget
frank basin
Lots of sprites
drowsy forum
Model.
frank basin
what?
drowsy forum
Well, rendered out as sprites.
I render it out in blender @shadow bone into a set of sprites. Itl ooks much better than actually adding the model into the game.
shadow bone
Cool
drowsy forum
D'oh shit was so close to seeing her eat Duke Nukem. XD
trim falcon
is that a godzilla ?
drowsy forum
XD
keen drift
hazy lantern
welp
shadow bone
Argh, I haven't seen it yet! Why would you do that?!??
keen drift
I meant this for general oops
frosty path
also
even tho everyone seems to like brutal doom 64, it doesn't convince me at all
i mean
its well done i guess
but the gore and the game being way harder kind of fucks up the mood
haughty flower
Yah, it still needs work. Also the standing still to recover stamina is stupid. It should encourage push-forward combat, glory kills dropping health and armor, and stamina should be increased when you kill enemies,
At least in my humble opinion. Btw even though I'm not much of a modder.... I love Doom 4 Doom. Great mod.
vast bolt
Thats why I just use the maps and load in Aeod
๐
Monster Directer keeps me on my toes
Tho it quickly gets bullshit when you're mauling demons and then it spams tanks in cramped quarters.
trim falcon
what to code today ?
jolly summit
Hello World script
jolly summit
oboi, u forgot that for MP support u need PrintBold ๐
bleak flame
What to do today?
trim falcon
what possible animation that I should add ?
Possible state
- idle
- walking
- running
- evading
- shooting
- melee
- death
- extreme death
this is my list
pallid yoke
hmm I am definitly going to be hanging out in here
unreal oyster
carrying on conversation from #179862926809759744
i'd just suggest don't make limits too ridiculous for this
haughty flower
It has to fit within 100x100
keen drift
Can only have an exit and an entrance, no other things allowed
unreal oyster
heh
keen drift
Okay, so the actual thing I have is this:
I think the best way to do the community megawad would be to have the technical limitation of level size (not a specific size, but within a range, probably on the smaller side) and keeping it simple without any complex scripting or anything, just levels, and to keep development to this server, but to make a sticky or something on the subreddit telling people about it with a server invite
Or perhaps it just has to be smaller than a certain size
keen drift
Idk about that part, but I think it can be imitating for new comers to submit their map when it's going to be stacked up against very complicated levels
I guess what I'm saying is that there shouldn't be anything that would feel out of place when compared to levels without scripting
Seeing as it's a community thing there obviously won't be that much consistency in terms of themes or whatever, but it would be too jarring for the gameplay to change
Keep in mind, I'm not that familiar with doom modding, I just happened to be the one to have this idea
haughty flower
TBH i'm not familiar with it either
unreal oyster
consistency in theming is so important imo
it helps something flow rather than feeling like "just a collection of maps"
leaving it out would be a bad mistake
keen drift
I guess, but I don't think it needs to very strict
We could just stick with doom 1 themes (as in, tech gradually turning into hell)
haughty flower
That'd be pretty neat
keen drift
I really liked the idea that someone had of tropical/ocean/underwater/Atlantis but I think that would be too much work to be that accessible
Plus there would be the problem that a soft blue colour scheme would clash with the monsters
unreal oyster
i would be happy with doing something like that tbh
and for worries about color schemes, well, just look at ancient aliens
it kinda shows that that isn't really true
keen drift
Take some doom screenshots
Put a blue filter over it so it appears very blue
Then superimpose unaltered monsters
Post results
I'm open for it if it can work
unreal oyster
or don't because why the fuck would that be how it looked
haughty flower
I'll try it out
keen drift
Or I guess you could you could just take a spritesheet and colour the background blue
unreal oyster
as i said, look at something like ancient aliens
blue and purple aren't exactly "normal" doom colors
but boy do they work when used right
keen drift
Oh that's really good
unreal oyster
yes, it is a cacoward winner
;idgames_search aaliens
huh
bots down
lemme check on that
keen drift
I have it downloaded, I just haven't played it yet
I think this would be less of a blue purple and more of a blue brown though
unreal oyster
i have no clue what turned the bot off but it's back up now
;idgames_search aaliens
edgy grottoBOT
By: Paul "skillsaw" DeBruyne
Uploaded on: 2016-07-17
Description: "Ancient Aliens is a megawad featuring 32 colorful, action-packed maps for Boom compatible ports. Go on a journey to discover the truth about the enigmatic origins of human civilization... I'm not saying it was aliens, but... the truth is out there."
Rating: 4.3867```**Download "Ancient Aliens" here:**
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/aaliensthere we go
haughty flower
unreal oyster
see that looks shit but that isn't what an atlantis themed wad would look like
hey @prisma saddle just wondering, you any good at drawing weapons?
haughty flower
Somebody mentioned about turnign doom screenies blue and putting monsters over it
unreal oyster
because i'd totally be happy to make some weapons for this i guess
if we wanted that
haughty flower
I think that would be pushing the begginner-friendly thing a bit far
Or maybe not, I don't know
unreal oyster
eh if you are going to limit it to beginner-friendly it's going to end up bad
beginners just don't make good maps
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
haughty flower
I thought this was open to newbs tho?
unreal oyster
idk but in my advice, opening up to newbs is fine but seriously don't be too liberal with that
moderation will be necessary
else the end product will be filled with square rooms, boring texturing and imbalanced gameplay
just sayin'
keen drift
I really don't think that the mod needs new or reskinned weapons
There is definitely an issue of feature creep
And I think it's best to just keep things simple
haughty flower
Is it possible to get a DOOM 1 megawad to have more than 4 episodes?
I'm not planning anything like that, I was just curious
trim falcon
I think so
you need to mod it
How did you make that image below ?
a mod or just a pic ?
haughty flower
What image?
trim falcon
haughty flower
Oh, thats just a screenshot from one of doom 1's Hell levels with a blue filter ontop of it and an imp sprite pasted ontop of that
haughty flower
I looked into it, looks like you can on certain sourceports
trim falcon
make a lump that have the same name as the original midi name
royal wave
@haughty flower Yes, you can define new episodes to be added to Doom 1 and Doom 2 maps
haughty flower
Neat
royal wave
Friend showed me this. I can't watch it, but I'd figure I'd share it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY1xBUQEO5I
keen drift
@haughty flower doom the way id did: the lost levels has 6 chapters
haughty flower
I've been meaning to try that one out
keen drift
It's pretty good
royal wave
Friend loves payday
haughty flower
ironically right now a quake 3 mod aimed to be the complete opposite of that has launched a kickstarter last night
royal wave
complete opposite?
haughty flower
but yeah i can see some pontental in that
royal wave
What's the opposite of Payday? you play as cops?
haughty flower
if anyone wants to help me with my newly again started project "Monter" I'm still looking for mappers to help me do some mapping, DM me if you have ideas or want to help (no, this is not me being lazy, this is just if you want to help the 2-man team make a good addon). It's in gmod, and it's supposed to be some deathmatch addon
trim falcon
anyone know how to give TID to monster properly
pallid yoke
Hey would anyone here know why textures would appear differently in doom builder but not when I am in GZDoom?
trim falcon
screenshot
my theory
you loading the wrong wad
or wad conflict
some textures name have the same name
end up replace the original one
pallid yoke
hmm its consistent through the level and seems to go away when I delete the wall and make a new one. weird
not replacing anything and very sure its the correct wad.
ill get a screen shot. going to be doing some doom mapping tonight.
ornate lance
Guys so this is a screenshot from my PC where I started hallway shading. I need your opinion on this.
Also anyone knows which port could handle this type of shading?
trim falcon
GZDoom
pallid yoke
I use dynamic lighting almost exclusively in GZDoom
ornate lance
Tnx for the advice
pallid yoke
Here is that weird texture issue. in doom builder it looks fine. In game its messed up http://i.imgur.com/bqak2oh.jpg
its happening a lot. in the level actually
ornate lance
Youch
Had that happening to me quite a lot of times
While using anything other than gzdoom
trim falcon
did you autoload something ?
ornate lance
Nop
GZDoon just rendered the textures correctly
Zandronum crashed for some reason ๐
pallid yoke
GZDoom is just not showing it with the alignment I see in editor its weird
pallid yoke
I cant think of an editor without funky controls ever..
lol
is there a solution to this texture issue?
pallid yoke
everything I am doing is dependant on GZDoom
ornate lance
Ah
pallid yoke
scripts, lighting
ornate lance
Idk then
haughty flower
i use slade too
doombuilder is...
a bit too complicated
same w/ gzdoombuilder
ornate lance
Ikr
Slade is rather easy to manage
Plus you can edit your wad
Not just the map
You can change everything rather quickly
pallid yoke
I dont mind the complexity too much. It seems pretty straight forward I think
ornate lance
Sfx, bgs, textures, you name it, you can change it
pallid yoke
that does sound cool
pallid yoke
maybe the rpoblem is I need to be using GZDoom builder
I am still using normal doom builder
ornate lance
GZDoom Builder? For GZDoom? Yeah
pallid yoke
holy crap I was using some old shit the new version is sick XD
looks like its as complex as Unreal 4 lol
I was dumb for not upgrading XD
foggy escarp
If you want to try my current unfinished version of my Payday inspired doom mod, you can get it here:
https://mega.nz/#!DhQTlDpB!CHZovPnuzU-NBmUJOjqTBrMFiO_YX9vMuEUwlFnI0Ak
To run this wad, you need to use GZdoom, Hardware renderer. no exceptions.
Zandronum breaks scripts and thus cannot run this wad
if you have rendering interpolation on, it makes the weapon draw and holster animations bug out for some reason. i dont know how to fix that atm.
Currently, the class select wont fit in any resolution below 1280x720
You should also pick your class twice. pick the class you want one and the difficulty, then do it again. the reason is sometimes this mod will not give you the right equipment and correct scripts for said class. picking it twice always gives you the correct stuff. i do not know how to fix that either
trim falcon
ok
btw
is it safe to invest on mega.nz
as cloud save
you should use .pk3
and not .wad
.wad is outdated
also the file is big
royal wave
you know you can rename a .wad into a .pk3 and G/ZDoom will not give a darn
trim falcon
as long its have a file name that can be read
gzdoom does't not care about the extension
royal wave
yup
foggy escarp
i dont really feel like moving this to pk3
and i already know the filesize is big
nothing i can really do about it with the direction my wad is going
i dont know of anything a pk3 can give me that i deem something id like to use
or is that much better that id want to use
shadow bone
Whatever you do though, please don't just rename .wad to .pk3, it's completely unnecessary and and might actully cause problems. Converting properly is pretty simple.
foggy escarp
i already know what a pk3 is i just havent used it mainly because i hate how i have to shove in my map in the pk3 after updating it
that and i was having problems with my maps working in pk3
trim falcon
Its not that hard
foggy escarp
whenever i tried puting my map into pk3 it just said invalid map
it just didnt work when i put it in pk3
royal wave
you know you don't need to keep repackaging it
royal wave
In GZdoombuilder, add the .pk3 as a respurce
then when you test the map, it'll include the .pk3 without having to put the map in
royal wave
then what are you testing if you have to repackage a map every time?
foggy escarp
and that also doesnt fix my maps not working in pk3
trim falcon
turning into zip and save as .pk3
you save 30mb
Its might hard for you to change at first
foggy escarp
i mean id love to save space but you guys are still ignoring this
trim falcon
but its much more easier to manage your wad if you use .pk3
foggy escarp
i cant start if my map doesnt work in pk3
foggy escarp
what converting
all im doing is that, im copying my map fiels to pk3 thats really it
doesnt work
trim falcon
facepalm
royal wave
Okay they need to go into a map folder
foggy escarp
that doesnt work either
foggy escarp
if im literally just gonna put a wad into a pk3 that seems
i mean, why not just put it in a winrar
if pk3 is just a zip file
would that just be the same
royal wave
it keeps the file size reduced at the same time prevents the user from thinking they need to extract it
foggy escarp
well i cant use pk3 because putting maps into pk3 doesnt work for me
i tried it always gives me invalid map
also about the extracting thing
if its a .rar
i woudl assume it be more obvious its somethign you do extract
royal wave
yeah it i's a rar
.pk3 is a zip, but to the average user, they don't think it needs to be extracted
ergo you get reduced file size and people don't break it in the process
foggy escarp
i dont get it
if its a .rar, i would think they would know thats not a doom file
since no doomguyicon
royal wave
Okay if I handed you a .sol, would you know what to do with it?
foggy escarp
im only trying to not use pk3 becausei t s causing me problems
when its supposed to be helping
royal wave
well idk then, but you're asking why we use PK3
foggy escarp
and i know why, compression. except sincei m having problems, i dont know