#classic-doom-maps-mods | DOOM | Page 35

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 9:04 PM

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im even watchign vids on it but my brain hurting from trying to learn this

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 9:04 PM

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First thing you need to understand is that Doom maps are actually flat.

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you point and click to draw your rooms

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then you alter the height of the rooms afterward

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 9:04 PM

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i dint even have idas for doom maps yet i just wanan learn how to do this first then get ideas

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 9:05 PM

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start by making a single room

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use linedef mode with the L key

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and make four points that form a square

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your first and last point should connect

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you can switch between the 2D and 3D modes by pressing I believe, Q by default

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there's also buttons along the sides for these things

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you can click and drag sectors, lines, points in 2D mode

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 9:07 PM

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1x1x0triangle.wad

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torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 9:07 PM

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you can use your mousewheel in 3D mode to alter floor and ceiling heights

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just experiment, you won't really hurt much with a test map

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 9:09 PM

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you can also just use right click with vector tool @haughty flower

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or grab box tool

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xd

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ho do i make my sector smaller after maing a big one?

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change the distance of vertices

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 9:09 PM

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you usually don't need to bother with right clicking vectors unless you're trying to edit the exact location of a coordinate

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 9:09 PM

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press V

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and hold right click and move the vertices

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 9:10 PM

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I'd recommend using Linedef mode with L to resize rooms

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 9:10 PM

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ew no

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also how's my new wad

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1x1x1TRI.WAD

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 9:10 PM

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it ultimately depends on what you need to do

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 9:10 PM

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a successor to 1X1BOX

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except

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it's not a box

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and it's 1x1x1

unreal oyster Nov 28, 2016, 9:12 PM

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@haughty flower instead of making all these jokewads that aren't funny, i seriously wonder - why don't you make something worthwhile, good looking and fun to play?

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 9:12 PM

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seriously.

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He's just wasting his time here and confusing people with all of this

unreal oyster Nov 28, 2016, 9:12 PM

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or at least try, a bad real map is better than what you are currently making.

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and if you want to make a jokewad, fine by me, but there's a good way to do a jokewad - https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=53399

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and then there's what you do, the bad way

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(although i will admit i'm biased towards that mod i posted because i have contributed code to it 😛 )

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but still, i wouldn't have wanted to help if it was just a shitty memewad

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 9:15 PM

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no u

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i made a wad where it was an actual map but

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you had a fingergun, an usp

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and also an invisible shotgun

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with quality sounds

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Gutawer

unreal oyster Nov 28, 2016, 9:20 PM

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yep

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 9:21 PM

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voice?

unreal oyster Nov 28, 2016, 9:21 PM

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nah, don't do voice myself

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sorry

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 9:21 PM

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i dont vc eithe

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r

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how do i make door?

unreal oyster Nov 28, 2016, 9:22 PM

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er, which format did you end up choosing?

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 9:22 PM

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idk.....

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i got confused on how yall told me

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im using wad file n zandroum

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if that counts

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i know how to do sectors n trying to undertsnad that

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now i need to understand a door

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 9:24 PM

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In 2D mode when you right click linedefs and sectors (Linedef mode = L, Sector mode = S), you can access various properties

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for a basic door that opens and closes on it's own,

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make sure you have two separate sectors first, and a door sector between them for this test

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I'll post a screenshot

unreal oyster Nov 28, 2016, 9:25 PM

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@haughty flower press F2 for me and screenshot the window that comes up?

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that'll tell me which format you are using

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 9:26 PM

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bnnothing happen

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 9:27 PM

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do you have your focus on Doom Builder when you press F2?

unreal oyster Nov 28, 2016, 9:27 PM

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click this menu option then

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 9:29 PM

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i did that i just wanna know how to make a door

unreal oyster Nov 28, 2016, 9:30 PM

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yes but to teach you i need to know the map format 😛

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it changes based on the format

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 9:31 PM

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im using doom 2

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i can do hawllway instead of door

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or telportors

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lookk

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press print screen

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and then CTRL V here

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i press s nothing happen

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press print screen button

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prnt scr

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now right clcik on the red

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and print screen again

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what red?

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the enmies?

unreal oyster Nov 28, 2016, 9:35 PM

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yes

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 9:37 PM

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unreal oyster Nov 28, 2016, 9:38 PM

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alright, looks like doom format to me then

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gotta admit, not amazingly knowledgeable in doom format so @torn timber wanna be a guide? lol

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 9:39 PM

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I haven't done much with it in forever either, but I'll go along with it

unreal oyster Nov 28, 2016, 9:39 PM

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oh, mkay

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 9:41 PM

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i can just make long hallway or not very long n just terlporters instead

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i just dont see where the doors r

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 9:43 PM

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Doors are not a "Thing"

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they're linedef and sector actions

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I'm making a 4 panel tutorial for you

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almost done

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 9:44 PM

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thank u

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im sorry i been getting confused

weak lodge Nov 28, 2016, 9:54 PM

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so

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is my wad in the server?

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 9:56 PM

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wait how do i do exit?

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 9:56 PM

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The exit is also done with the linedef properties

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any action you try to have the map do is done by linedef and sector properties

unreal oyster Nov 28, 2016, 9:57 PM

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@weak lodge yes it is, we will have a playtest this saturday 😃

weak lodge Nov 28, 2016, 9:57 PM

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woo

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 9:58 PM

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you'd have to scroll through Action the list to see all of them in the editor with this engine setup

weak lodge Nov 28, 2016, 9:58 PM

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playtest it in duel

unreal oyster Nov 28, 2016, 9:58 PM

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i have played it quickly which i'll be doing for every map to make sure nobody submits HDoom under the name "Mr_Awesome's_Cool_DM_Map.pk3"

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lol

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ur, well the event is supposed to be for a very large amount of people so i'm not sure if duel will work that well

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 9:59 PM

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@haughty flower on the action menu, "D" is for door action, "R" is for repeatable action, "S" is for switch action, "W" is for walkable action, "G" is for gunfire action.

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also check out the image above if you haven't yet

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 10:03 PM

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does the door hates me?

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i cant do it

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im studying the image

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 10:07 PM

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You just select the linedefs, change the action to the door one

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make sure the lines are facing right way too

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if they're not, @haughty flower, you can flip them with the "F" key

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just hover over them and press that

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what does your doorway area look like?

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can you screenshot that?

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 10:08 PM

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ummmmmmm i made room filled with doors lol

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 10:09 PM

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okay, can you take a screenshot so I could maybe see what's going wrong with it?

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 10:10 PM

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i go throught the door no opening

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it slike invsible wall

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 10:10 PM

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um

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did you actually lower the door sector to the floor?

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you shouldn't be walking through anything

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you should definately be hitting your door if you made it look like there's a door there

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unless you ended up just giving the linedef a door texture as a "Middle Texture"

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you don't want to use the Middle Texture for this

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Just "Upper Texture"

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@haughty flower screenshot this please, in order for us to actually help you properly

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 10:16 PM

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idk how i can screenshot it where u can help me like where u want me to screenshot it

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the room that all the walls r doors

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 10:19 PM

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just press the "print screen" button and then "ctrl+v" here like you did earlier

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that's a screenshot

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 10:19 PM

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i know but im asking where

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 10:19 PM

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here

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 10:19 PM

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in th doom buidler porgram

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 10:20 PM

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yes, where your doors are

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that's what I'm asking you about

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 10:23 PM

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torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 10:24 PM

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what about the properties tab?

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also you need to flip one of those linedefs

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the ticks on the lines need to be facing outward

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the sides of the door that the player would be interacting with

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(The top line)

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@haughty flower

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@haughty flower

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 10:26 PM

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torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 10:29 PM

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okay, so what does it look like in the 3D view?

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Also fix that linedef orientation

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I also see you're using Doom Builder 2 instead of GZDoom Builder

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that's probably why we had issues with you pressing F2 earlier to get the map options

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 10:30 PM

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torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 10:31 PM

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welp.

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You put the door texture on the sides of the door there

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also like I said

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you need to lower the door sector down to the floor

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the ceiling has to be the same height as the floor

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 10:32 PM

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idk how that what i been trying to do

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 10:32 PM

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you can't open your door if it's already open

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I put it on the image I made for you

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you can use the scroll wheel in 3D view

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or you can right click in 2D or 3D mode on the ceiling of that sector and then change the Ceiling Height to match the Floor Height

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 10:33 PM

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huh?

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 10:34 PM

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What's confusing about it?

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 10:34 PM

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im just not good at this sort of this stuff i do like to make maps n such but using the program i just get confused everywhere

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 10:34 PM

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What are you confused about right now for the instructions of lowering the ceiling to the floor?

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You've gotta start somewhere

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 10:36 PM

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of how to put the door im thinign of fuck it i can use telporters and long hallway

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 10:37 PM

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do you understand that you can lower and raise the ceilings and floors of sectors?

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teleporters are even harder

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 10:38 PM

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yea i think i did it beofre but i messed up the whole room

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 10:38 PM

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you can always undo anything you mess up

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just press ctrl-z to undo

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just hover over the ceiling of the door sector

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and scroll your mouse wheel down

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 10:40 PM

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ok thern what?

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 10:40 PM

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that's it

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you lower it to the floor

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just keep scrolling the thing down till it's the same height as the floor

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you should be able to see your door and interact with it now

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 10:42 PM

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what about the back side?

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 10:42 PM

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it's all one sector

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when you lower the whole sector down, that's it

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front and back are included

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 10:42 PM

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but its blury in game mode

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/test mode

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 10:42 PM

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are you getting a Hall of Mirrors effect?

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 10:43 PM

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yea

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 10:43 PM

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well

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did you flip that linedef I told you about twice earlier?

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using the F key

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so the little tick mark is pointing outward from the door?

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if you did that

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then check the textures of the door

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make sure the frontside texture has the door texture

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 10:45 PM

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alright thank you what about an exit?

unreal oyster Nov 28, 2016, 10:47 PM

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an exit is just an action as well, it'd be called something like "S1 Exit Normal"

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 10:48 PM

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so the same with the door?

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 10:49 PM

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why with the same door?

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you can't have 2 actions on the same linedef

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you'd have the exit be somewhere else

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 10:49 PM

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ayy

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he said

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the same with the door

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not with the same door

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@torn timber

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 10:50 PM

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I see,

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but yeah, you'd use an action similar

unreal oyster Nov 28, 2016, 10:50 PM

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well, you technically can have actions that look like they are on the same linedef with boom features

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you can put a bunch of S1 lines very close to each other and there's some way to make the actions all trigger at the same time

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 10:51 PM

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just use the "11 - S1 Exit Level" action

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 10:51 PM

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yea i did but how do i like put a swtich......nvm

unreal oyster Nov 28, 2016, 10:51 PM

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you give the wall a switch texture

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 10:51 PM

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you just use a switch texture

unreal oyster Nov 28, 2016, 10:51 PM

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the engine does everything else for you

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 10:51 PM

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the rest is done by the linedef action

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 10:52 PM

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wel i can make a wall full with swticthes

unreal oyster Nov 28, 2016, 10:52 PM

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you can also use a rudimentary kinda-scripting type thing with scrolling floors and the boom scrolling actions but that's kinda advanced

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 10:52 PM

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add in more vertices

unreal oyster Nov 28, 2016, 10:52 PM

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allowing you to do semi-scripting in boom format

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 10:52 PM

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there like 8 switches on thath one wall lol

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 10:52 PM

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a switch texture is usually 64 map units across

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so if you add in 2 vertices to your wall 64 map units apart, you can add your texture to just that one section

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 10:54 PM

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i wander what switch i should hit so many lol

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 10:54 PM

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if you made the whole long wall have the switch action, then it doesn't matter where you are along the wall, it'll do the action

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you'll have to segment a small area of the wall for a single switch

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then remove the action from the rest of the wall

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 10:55 PM

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i know im just trying figure out how to put one switch

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 10:56 PM

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Add 2 vertices

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press the "V" key

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and then right click on the spots on the line you want them

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you can space them apart 64 units (A number should pop up on the cent of the lines being moved) when you move the vertices around with a right click and hold

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 10:57 PM

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nothing happen with i hit v

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 10:57 PM

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are you in 2D mode?

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cause you can only modify the location of verticies, lines, and sectors in 2D mode

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 10:59 PM

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im confused after i hit v

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 10:59 PM

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once you hit V

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it says "Vertices Mode" on the bottom, right?

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 11:00 PM

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yes

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 11:00 PM

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you can now right-click on a line to add a vertex

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a vertex is all those blue squares you see on corners and such that you've been drawing

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in this mode, you can move those around and add more or remove them

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 11:03 PM

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but im gertting rid of the wall

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if i do that

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 11:03 PM

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haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 11:03 PM

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i know but if i move them thats adding or removing the wall

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 11:04 PM

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you can just press the delete key on a vertex to delete it and the adjacent walls will move to adjust

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you shouldn't be adding more walls

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you don't need to move your walls around for this

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just add in 2 vertices to where you want your switch

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 11:15 PM

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but the is going to be two one up n one down

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 11:16 PM

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one up and one down?

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screenshot what you're doing?

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 11:18 PM

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torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 11:19 PM

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So you want there to just be one switch right?

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cause this a texture size issue

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 11:19 PM

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yes

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 11:19 PM

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you're applying a small texture to a tall wall

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the wall is 128 units high

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your texture is only 64 units high

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so you may want to use a different texture

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or rework the ceiling height around your switch

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There's plenty of switch textures that are 64x128 in size

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 11:20 PM

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or he ca n just make a custom 128x128 texture for a switch

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or 64x128

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yes

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or that too

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@haughty flower or you can make a small room with 64 tall nstead of 128

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 11:21 PM

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I'm not going to have him start getting into making custom textures

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 11:21 PM

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like in doom

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add an exit sign

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and a smol room

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 11:22 PM

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that's why I said to make the area around the switch lower, you can separate it with another line to segment the room

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 11:26 PM

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torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 11:26 PM

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and there you go

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if you want to fix that texture at the top of the middle section,

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right click on it and then check off "Upper Unpegged"

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or

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just hover over it and press the "U" key

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while in 3D mode

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"L" on a texture in 3D mode does "Lower Unpegged", which you'll mostly use for door tracks

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 11:30 PM

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alright did i got everything to try to make a wad of 32 levels i believse/30 levels?

unreal oyster Nov 28, 2016, 11:31 PM

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you do, yes. but i wouldn't go for a megawad as your first project, just saying 😛

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start small, y'know

royal wave Nov 28, 2016, 11:31 PM

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Yeah megawads are really huge projects

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 11:31 PM

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mgawads?

unreal oyster Nov 28, 2016, 11:31 PM

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32-map wad

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 11:31 PM

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megawads*

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oh y not

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it take a lot of time

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 11:31 PM

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very much so

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 11:31 PM

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i just need ideas 😃

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if i got to know how hopefully i do then i just need ideas

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 11:32 PM

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well godspeed

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http://zdoom.org/wiki/Main_Page

Main Page

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This is here if you need more

unreal oyster Nov 28, 2016, 11:32 PM

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every mapper starts off really slow, once you gain experience you will speed up significantly but building a megawad as your first project will likely be really fatigueing

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 11:32 PM

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https://zdoom.org/wiki/Tutorials

Tutorials

unreal oyster Nov 28, 2016, 11:33 PM

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and most importantly you won't be able to gain criticism until you realise it

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whereas with your first map you can get feedback as soon as it is done

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which is a significantly shorter amount of time and will help you get better quickly

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 11:34 PM

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fine ill make one map

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but if i do im still sending yall teh whole doom2 wad with the other 31 levels in it

unreal oyster Nov 28, 2016, 11:35 PM

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the current thing i'm "working on" (procrastinating, more like) has already tired me out and it's just one zdoom map

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oh, that's not how it works

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you don't need to edit the original wad

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you can create a wad with just 1 map in it and it will only override what it needs to

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 11:35 PM

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don't send the Doom 2 wad, just your one that you saved

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on that note, DO NOT edit your Doom 2 wad

unreal oyster Nov 28, 2016, 11:35 PM

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sending the doom 2 wad would be illegal anyway

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and i would have to remove it from the server

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or any mod, it really doesn't matter

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 11:36 PM

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but idk how to send my map then

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and oops

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i did edit it

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well my first messed up level will be the best 😃

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 11:36 PM

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you wrecked your original file then

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 11:37 PM

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u wanan go room that look like doors my level 😃

unreal oyster Nov 28, 2016, 11:37 PM

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you create a wad with only one map in it. when you load both with the engine, the engine will only override what it needs to

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 11:37 PM

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you just save it as a .wad file

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 11:37 PM

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idk how

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 11:37 PM

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when you open your editor

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don't load your doom 2 wad

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just click new

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and then make a new one

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make your level in that

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and then save that

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 11:38 PM

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i ddi but its overirght my doom 2 wad as well

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 11:38 PM

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this is the same concept as every program that allows you to make and save files

unreal oyster Nov 28, 2016, 11:38 PM

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it wouldn't have overwritten your doom 2 wad unless you told it too

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mind sending your wad file over? i'll check if you've done it right. if it is the doom2 wad file i'll have to remove it but whatever

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@haughty flower

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 11:42 PM

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when i load it in my zandrounm after te first level its the second level in doom 2

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 11:43 PM

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yes, that's because you're using Doom2 as your IWAD of choice to run the game

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not necessarily because it's a part of your custom file

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if you didn't want it to load that stuff, you'd have to look into editing the wad file with Slade and adding a MAPINFO lump to it, but I wouldn't worry about that

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not right now

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 11:44 PM

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oh ok so if i fully make a map would yall play it?

torn timber Nov 28, 2016, 11:45 PM

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I'm sure people are up for most any kind of new content if you make it playable

unreal oyster Nov 28, 2016, 11:46 PM

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yeah, i'm always happy to give new mappers advice. i'm not particularly great myself but i know how to criticise lol

haughty flower Nov 28, 2016, 11:47 PM

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im sure yall dont wnana play this shitty map that been me trying to do a door

royal wave Nov 28, 2016, 11:53 PM

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the worlds first doom mod was a dude who made a door

haughty flower Nov 29, 2016, 11:24 PM

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there were no map editors back then

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only doomed

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and it wasnt out

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so that guy did it by hand

tardy hawk Nov 30, 2016, 3:51 PM

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Thats imptessive

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 6:22 PM

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@unreal oyster I would like that role please

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 6:22 PM

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there ya go

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 6:22 PM

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thanks

dawn saffron Nov 30, 2016, 6:23 PM

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@unreal oyster do i qualify

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 6:23 PM

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you have made snapmaps so yes

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 6:23 PM

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oh and it's purple, my favorite color!

dawn saffron Nov 30, 2016, 6:23 PM

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i would like it

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i like the colour better :3

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 6:23 PM

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heh

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fair enough 😛

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@frank basin heh

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 6:25 PM

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I'm purple on every server I own 😄

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 6:25 PM

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purple was the only other color we don't use that wasn't yellow lol

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 6:25 PM

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wait, you slightly changed the shade !!!

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 6:25 PM

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and i didn't think yellow looked particularly good

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 6:25 PM

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:o

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 6:25 PM

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yeah, looks better on dark theme 😛

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can't believe you actually noticed that lol

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 6:26 PM

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Well it increased the contrast

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 6:26 PM

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yeah, making it more readable imo

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if people like the old shade better i can change it back heh

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 6:27 PM

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I prefer it because it's cooler looking :p

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 6:27 PM

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mkay heh

dawn saffron Nov 30, 2016, 6:27 PM

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it looks better but has worse readability imo

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the previous shade

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 6:27 PM

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ya

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 6:29 PM

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eh, even after turning my BD theme off i still feel the newer one has more contrast and is therefore more readable

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either of you on light theme?

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 6:29 PM

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No

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 6:30 PM

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hmm well ok, whatever. both of you said it looks cooler anyway and it's such a trivial thing lol

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 6:32 PM

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cool

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So, was that supposed to mean you're going to switch it back, or that you'll keep the current color?

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 6:37 PM

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keeping the current one

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can't be bothered to go into a menu now 😛

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 6:38 PM

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Ok, I see 😄

torn timber Nov 30, 2016, 7:19 PM

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@unreal oyster Can you throw the role on me please?

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The proof I map and mod - here's the last public release I did, in the credits for MAP52. I'm also the creator of Skullbag (video from @static ice also featuring @wooden portal who also mods):
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=889167
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15225510/Doom Screenshots/Screenshot_Doom_20160315_153237 - Copy.png
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF3Zrm4gjUw

YouTube

ded screen

Classic DOOM skullbag: plasma rifle + life fail

▶ Play video

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 7:35 PM

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oh i knew you did modding lol

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you don't need to have released anything for the role

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just need to be at least knowledgable

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and able to give mapping advice

torn timber Nov 30, 2016, 7:35 PM

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yep yep

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I'm terrible when it comes to getting public releases out

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Tagged Shadowlink223 cause I didn't know if he'd want the role too or not

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@torpid summit is also a modder, he's been my co-programmer for years

wooden portal Nov 30, 2016, 7:38 PM

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I made Monster Mixer for Samsara and had a map included in DUMP 2

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I know a fair amount about getting stuff to function in maps, I'm just not a good designer

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So the bulk of my DUMP 2 map was just scripting shit :V

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 7:39 PM

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@torn timber unless @torpid summit tells me they want the role i won't give it 😛 just in case they don't actually want the role

torn timber Nov 30, 2016, 7:40 PM

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I make overly detailed stuff

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https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15225510/Doom Screenshots/Screenshot_Doom_20141118_023640.png

wooden portal Nov 30, 2016, 7:40 PM

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This guy made a map that had so much shit it lagged the engine

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3D floors, relfections, etc.

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 7:41 PM

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it's not overly detailed if it looks good and doesn't hinder gameplay

wooden portal Nov 30, 2016, 7:41 PM

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It looked really neat though

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 7:41 PM

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lots of detail != overly detailed

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so "Knee Deep in ZDoom" is overly detailed

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what you posted @torn timber could be overly detailed but if it isn't getting in the players way then it isn't

torn timber Nov 30, 2016, 7:50 PM

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I try to optimize it

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it's just when I do something like this
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15225510/VCHQ/Screenshot_Doom_20110726_223041.png
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15225510/VCHQ/Screenshot_Doom_20110726_223058.png

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and then I decide to do something stupid like add slight reflectiveness to the tiles on the floor

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WHOOP THERE GOES MY FRAME RATE

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 7:52 PM

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that looks pretty ok but idk, looks kinda messy imo

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second one, first is fine

torn timber Nov 30, 2016, 7:52 PM

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It was just 6 hours of work, not really planned out

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2nd room I was pushing what I could do with 3D floors

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 7:53 PM

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yeah. if it were me i'd tone the wall and ceiling extrustions down a bit

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my brain is having trouble comprehending what this even is 😛

📎 unknown.png

torn timber Nov 30, 2016, 7:53 PM

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looks odd from that angle

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 7:53 PM

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yeah it certainly does 😛

torn timber Nov 30, 2016, 7:53 PM

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https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15225510/VCHQ/Screenshot_Doom_20110726_223124.png

steel onyx Nov 30, 2016, 7:54 PM

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Looks like one of those illusion things

torn timber Nov 30, 2016, 7:54 PM

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can kinda see it there

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Geez, did I really do this 5 years ago

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was Zandronum even a thing yet?

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I think the switch from Skulltag to Zandro was in 2012

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 7:57 PM

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so much detail O_O

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I haven't even textured my maps

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 7:57 PM

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i think around there is where i would draw the detail line kinda

torn timber Nov 30, 2016, 7:58 PM

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I don't make maps like this if I expect them to be playable

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 7:58 PM

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although you do say 5 years ago so it obviously means nothing now heh

torn timber Nov 30, 2016, 7:58 PM

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that's more of an eye candy thing

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 7:58 PM

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I can't imagine doing that level of detail in the doom engine, so much work

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 7:59 PM

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it really isn't a huge amount of work. just takes time and eventually turns into diminishing returns

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towards a certain point adding more detail makes practically no difference and sometimes makes things worse

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like adding 7 million layers of detailing to the floor

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never detail the floor.

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unless it's textures

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detailing the floor with height difference just fucks with the players movements

prisma saddle Nov 30, 2016, 8:00 PM

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Or models.

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 8:00 PM

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I mean, doing all those linedefs and sectors
And then you can't move them

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@prisma saddle true

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:00 PM

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that's why you plan ahead tbh

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you make a detail plan before you start

prisma saddle Nov 30, 2016, 8:01 PM

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Models make detailing far easier.

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:01 PM

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if you want to do immense amounts of detailing to props, voxels or models are the easiest way

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just pick up blender instead of having 9 million linedefs everywhere

torn timber Nov 30, 2016, 8:01 PM

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as long as your detailing is consistent in quality, and it doesn't get in the way of actually playing, it's usually okay

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bordering is usually a must if you want to get away from a bland looking room

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 8:02 PM

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I'll have to look into models

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:02 PM

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coughkneedeepinzdoomcough

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 8:03 PM

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Most of my maps require GZDoom anyways

torn timber Nov 30, 2016, 8:03 PM

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https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15225510/Doom Screenshots/Screenshot_Doom_20121031_104140.png
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15225510/Doom Screenshots/Screenshot_Doom_20121031_104231.png

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I kinda like working with sloped terrain,

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but doing it too much just wrecks performance

steel onyx Nov 30, 2016, 8:03 PM

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I haven't even made a proper map before :,)

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:03 PM

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as long as you avoid sloping the floor. at all costs.

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zdoom slope physics are bad.

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so just never do it.

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 8:04 PM

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ouh yeah

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:04 PM

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it's not worth it

torn timber Nov 30, 2016, 8:04 PM

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that's the thing, making more realistic terrain requires sloping

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 8:04 PM

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Hate maps that do that

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:04 PM

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if you want realistic terrain - go look for other engines

torn timber Nov 30, 2016, 8:04 PM

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if you do it, just do it on a very small area

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:04 PM

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doom is the engine for abstract terrain

torn timber Nov 30, 2016, 8:05 PM

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like I've seen some do it nicely like say, sloping in a cave for the floors/ceilings to meet the walls

steel onyx Nov 30, 2016, 8:05 PM

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What would I even use to make maps?

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:05 PM

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GZDoom Builder

torn timber Nov 30, 2016, 8:05 PM

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^

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:05 PM

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and perhaps SLADE if you get into more advanced stuff

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yeah sloping the ceiling is relatively harmless

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just never the floor

steel onyx Nov 30, 2016, 8:06 PM

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Where would I start anyways? XD

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 8:07 PM

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@steel onyx https://eev.ee/blog/2015/12/19/you-should-make-a-doom-level-part-1/

Eevee

You should make a Doom level, part 1: the basics

Part 1: the basics · Part 2: design · Part 3: cheating I love Doom. Or, well, I love Doom 2, which is the game we actually had when I was nostalgia years old. I love the aesthetic — pixely in a 3D(ish) environment, and consistent in a way that meshes together really well. The classic levels are abstract (occasionally too abstract), but still detailed enough to feel like they could represent real places as long as you don’t think about it too hard. The environment is surprisingly dynamic: there are switches ...

steel onyx Nov 30, 2016, 8:07 PM

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O

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PM me that pls

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:08 PM

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no no no don't follow that tutorial

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it uses SLADE for map editing

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 8:08 PM

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oh?

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sorry I didn't use it myself

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:09 PM

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@steel onyx i'd actually recommend you watch a tutorial series like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAFg_mr5uao

YouTube

DoomTheRobot

GZDoom Builder Tutorials - #1 - Installing & Configuring

▶ Play video

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made by @sharp bear in this chat 😛

steel onyx Nov 30, 2016, 8:09 PM

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Pmmmm me iiiiit

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:09 PM

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sure

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 8:09 PM

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That does look better >.>

wooden portal Nov 30, 2016, 8:10 PM

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Is the map editor in SLADE still as crash prone?

torn timber Nov 30, 2016, 8:10 PM

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it's been getting constant updates

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getting somewhere, but not as good as GZDB

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:11 PM

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not sure about crash prone, just really slow and annoying to use when compared to GZDB

torn timber Nov 30, 2016, 8:11 PM

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you can always just open your map with a version of Doom Builder from within SLADE now anyway

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:11 PM

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it follows a quite windows-y control scheme for doing everything

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which doesn't work for map editing

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having to press INSERT to do the most common thing you'll be doing when map editing is just awkward

plush sapphire Nov 30, 2016, 8:12 PM

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Having to press INSERT ever is just awkward.

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:12 PM

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GZDB has it on right click, always one quick away

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instead of having to reach over for a key nobody ever uses

torn timber Nov 30, 2016, 8:12 PM

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GZDB uses insert as well by default doesn't it? Or just right click

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 8:12 PM

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Sometimes you do need to use insert in GZDB

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:12 PM

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GZDB is right click but INSERT is possible, yes

torn timber Nov 30, 2016, 8:12 PM

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I use an MMO mouse anyway with extra keybinds, so I've got insert set to one of my priority buttons

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and then switching modes and all that on some others

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 8:13 PM

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Right click and insert do different things sometimes in GZDB @unreal oyster

torn timber Nov 30, 2016, 8:13 PM

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so I never really have to move my hands from the wasd area

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:13 PM

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i know that

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 8:13 PM

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So you still need to use it

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I have to use it pretty often, I find

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:13 PM

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but i find myself using it very little

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if i did use it a lot, i'd rebind it

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to like MOUSE4 or 5

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 8:14 PM

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Sometimes I feel like the only person who likes having lots of different buttons

plush sapphire Nov 30, 2016, 8:14 PM

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You're not

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:14 PM

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i like hotkeys, i use them all the time

plush sapphire Nov 30, 2016, 8:15 PM

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I love my Razer Naga Epic with 12 buttons on the side.

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I found that I really struggle to play Doom effectively without it.

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:15 PM

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i just don't like it when my most used key is to the right of my fingers where i never touch 😛

plush sapphire Nov 30, 2016, 8:15 PM

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That weapon wheel is handy, but damn is it ever obsolete when they're all on your thumb already.

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 8:15 PM

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I browse r/mechanicalkeyboards, and they love their tiny most keys removed layouts

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:15 PM

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i hate 'em

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full 105-key ISO for me 😛

steel onyx Nov 30, 2016, 8:16 PM

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I need a better mooouuuse

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 8:16 PM

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I want a 122 key Model F

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:16 PM

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the numpad is ridiculously useful if you use AHK

wooden portal Nov 30, 2016, 8:16 PM

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I hate 10-keyless keyboards

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compact ones are even worse

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:16 PM

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tenkeyless is by far the best out of the "smaller" variants

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60% is just horrid

wooden portal Nov 30, 2016, 8:16 PM

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the ones that merge arrow keys into other keys

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:16 PM

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you need a function key for just about everything

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including arrow keys

plush sapphire Nov 30, 2016, 8:17 PM

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That sounds a little counter productive.

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 8:17 PM

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So many programs I use need the special keys

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:17 PM

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my keyboard (Corsair K70 LUX) hasn't got a single function modifier

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media keys, brightness control, windows key lock, volume wheel, etc. is all an actual button

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which is how i like it

wooden portal Nov 30, 2016, 8:18 PM

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I miss my dedicated media buttons

steel onyx Nov 30, 2016, 8:18 PM

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Gimme a good mouse pls

plush sapphire Nov 30, 2016, 8:18 PM

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Mine has a function key sadly... but I do prefer them dedicated buttons.

steel onyx Nov 30, 2016, 8:19 PM

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Free obvs

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 8:19 PM

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^

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:19 PM

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📎 k70_lux_red_na_02.png

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this is the one i have

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such an amazing keyboard

torn timber Nov 30, 2016, 8:20 PM

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It's about time to be replacing the mouse switches in my mouse

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:20 PM

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it's also not made of plastic, which is awesome

plush sapphire Nov 30, 2016, 8:20 PM

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This is mine

📎 razer-blackwidow-ultimate-gallery-01__store_gallery.png

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:20 PM

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anodized aluminium ftw

steel onyx Nov 30, 2016, 8:20 PM

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People pls

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You're making me all jelly

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 8:20 PM

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Checking in http://www.360tech.com/images/434820-002.jpg

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:20 PM

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YEAH BOIIIIII

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 8:21 PM

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My keyboard is possibly older than I am, and it still works great

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:21 PM

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well actually, this is technically my KB if i wanna be pedantic

📎 corsair-ch-9101021-uk_extra3.png

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since mine is ISO layout

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quite obvious because of the big enter key and AltGr key

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 8:22 PM

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Yeah I use ISO as well

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:22 PM

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europe needs a lot of accents, so we have a dedicated key for it

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it kinda just spread to britain

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and tbh i'm grateful for it because of that big enter key

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which i really like for some reason

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it's such a used key so having it be bigger works for me

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 8:23 PM

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Too bad iso doesn't have a little o above the letter accent key

steel onyx Nov 30, 2016, 8:23 PM

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Guys pls

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:23 PM

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sometimes though, the enter key can get a little too big...

📎 sgfuu.png

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😂

plush sapphire Nov 30, 2016, 8:24 PM

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I like that style

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That's what I'm used to from back in the early 90s

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 8:24 PM

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hrm, that's annoying, HPs iso and non-iso keyboards have the same model number

steel onyx Nov 30, 2016, 8:25 PM

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Once I make baby Eki's first map I'm putting it here,

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 8:25 PM

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👍

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Here's a real keyboard http://www.seasip.info/VintagePC/Images/6110344.jpg

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24 F keys

plush sapphire Nov 30, 2016, 8:26 PM

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Fuck yeah

tardy hawk Nov 30, 2016, 8:26 PM

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24 F keys

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:26 PM

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they couldn't make the top bit just a tiny bit more compact, huh?

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lol

tardy hawk Nov 30, 2016, 8:26 PM

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Do you really need 24 possible shortcuts

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 8:27 PM

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yes

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:27 PM

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if it's all remappable, the function row is easier to reach than the numpad

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which has 10 "free" keys itself

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 8:29 PM

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Unicomp actaully sells clones of these http://www.pckeyboard.com/page/category/PC122

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Only difference is that they use buckling spring instead of capacitive buckling spring

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:30 PM

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i'm pretty sure it's not that they sell clones, i think unicomp actually own the rights

wooden portal Nov 30, 2016, 8:30 PM

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tfw have an IBM model M for my older comps

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:30 PM

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an IBM model M is totally respectable

wooden portal Nov 30, 2016, 8:30 PM

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muh loud clicky

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:30 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 8:30 PM

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@unreal oyster They don't have the capacitive buckling spring rights or tooling I don't think

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:30 PM

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ah

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maybe not

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 8:31 PM

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The model M ones are pretty true

steel onyx Nov 30, 2016, 8:31 PM

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No idea what keyboard I have

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But it's old

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 8:31 PM

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These guys are selling real capacitive buckling spring ones, but they only have compact models https://www.modelfkeyboards.com/

Brand New Model F Keyboards

$160,000.00+ so far in orders (11/23/16)! Please have your orders in by 11/30/2016! Subscribe to project updates: Place order

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:32 PM

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this K70 i have is still quite new now but it's a mech so it'll last me years with no degradation in quality

wooden portal Nov 30, 2016, 8:33 PM

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I'm actually considering on getting one of those ^

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:33 PM

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highly recommended 👍

wooden portal Nov 30, 2016, 8:33 PM

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looks neat and comes in Cherry Blue

steel onyx Nov 30, 2016, 8:33 PM

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What are the types again? xD

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:33 PM

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the only real complaint i have is that i think the font on the keycaps could do with being a little less "aggressive"

torn timber Nov 30, 2016, 8:34 PM

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📎 unknown.png

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:34 PM

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Cherry MX Blue, Brown and Red

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are the popular ones

torn timber Nov 30, 2016, 8:34 PM

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That's what my controls switch to when I open any Doom Builder program

haughty flower Nov 30, 2016, 8:34 PM

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Aye @torn timber you have the same mouse as I do.

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:35 PM

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my mouse is only 3 button at the side, which is how i like it. too many buttons and i feel it starts to lose ergonomics

torn timber Nov 30, 2016, 8:35 PM

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I've had it for a good 3-4 years now

plush sapphire Nov 30, 2016, 8:35 PM

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Mine

📎 razer-naga-epic-gallery-7__store_gallery.png

torn timber Nov 30, 2016, 8:35 PM

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main problem most people have with the G600 seems to be that it's too big for their hands

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meanwhile I hate using smaller ones

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:35 PM

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📎 9800_5__1.png

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this is mine

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it's cheap but i love it

steel onyx Nov 30, 2016, 8:36 PM

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What makes the types diff?

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:36 PM

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the arc is great and the curve on the side buttons is awesome

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 8:36 PM

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I have a Razer Deathadder, would not recommend

wooden portal Nov 30, 2016, 8:36 PM

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https://secure.logitech.com/assets/47821/g400s-gaming-mouse-images.png

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I'm happy with mine

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 8:36 PM

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@steel onyx types? you talking about the key switches?

steel onyx Nov 30, 2016, 8:36 PM

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Yee

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:37 PM

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http://www.keyboardco.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Blue.gif http://www.keyboardco.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Brown.gif http://www.keyboardco.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Red.gif

steel onyx Nov 30, 2016, 8:37 PM

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All you people and your fancy mouses

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:37 PM

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that is the difference, in gif form

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the switch essentially goes down in a different way

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 8:37 PM

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Here's a force graph http://cdn.overclock.net/1/1f/1f97fde6_15d03bfd30acf34543b0e6446077f82c.gif

plush sapphire Nov 30, 2016, 8:38 PM

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Brown and red look the same to me.

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:38 PM

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when blue hits the "actuation point" (when the key is "pressed"), a slider drops down to the bottom of the switch, making a loud "click"

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when brown hits the actuation point, you feel it but no click is made

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 8:38 PM

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@plush sapphire notice the bump on the brown one

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:38 PM

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with red, you don't feel anything and no click is made

plush sapphire Nov 30, 2016, 8:38 PM

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Ohhhh I see now

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I'm a bit blind in all fairness.

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:39 PM

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for this reason - blue is the "typing" one, brown is the "all-rounder" one and red is the "gaming" one

wooden portal Nov 30, 2016, 8:39 PM

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MUH. CLICKY.

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:39 PM

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although it actually varies per person

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i love blues for gaming myself

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and typing

plush sapphire Nov 30, 2016, 8:39 PM

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I have green switches in this keyboard.

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They're nice and clicky.

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That's about all I know lol

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:39 PM

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greens are blues but with even more force

steel onyx Nov 30, 2016, 8:39 PM

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What're greeeens aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:39 PM

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from 60g to 80g

haughty flower Nov 30, 2016, 8:39 PM

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I've honestly havent gone pass membranne keyboards

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I dont know what would work for me

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any recomendations?

frank basin Nov 30, 2016, 8:40 PM

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I'm gonna make the switch once my membrane kb stops working

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:40 PM

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@haughty flower https://www.amazon.com/WASD-6-Key-Cherry-Switch-Tester/dp/B00AZQKCD4

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buy one of these and see for yourself

haughty flower Nov 30, 2016, 8:40 PM

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my has gone through hell and back no pun intended

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but i was stupid enough to buy anothetr membrane one recently

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:41 PM

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it's not something you can just "recommend" since all humans are different

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so instead you should buy that thing that i posted and test for yourself

plush sapphire Nov 30, 2016, 8:42 PM

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My keyboard came with an extra key that's totally separate. I put it on my keychain for my car keys lol.

haughty flower Nov 30, 2016, 8:42 PM

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Thanks @unreal oyster . I'll look into getting that.

plush sapphire Nov 30, 2016, 8:42 PM

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People think I'm fancy and have a clicky button to unlock my doors.

haughty flower Nov 30, 2016, 8:42 PM

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let me guess it's ten key less

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:43 PM

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https://www.amazon.com/Mechanical-keyboards-Switch-keyboard-Sampler/dp/B01G3BJOHO/ or you could get one of these and save a bit of money at the expense of not being able to test the Cherry MX Clear and Green @haughty flower

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which are some of the least popular anyway

haughty flower Nov 30, 2016, 8:44 PM

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like thats going to matter for me

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 8:45 PM

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yeah heh

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they're both Cherry MX so the actually switch is 100% the exact same

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that's the good thing about Cherry leading the switch industry

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you know you're getting a quality product that goes under rigorous testing

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 9:44 PM

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@weak lodge i remember you posted a dm map in this chat, do you want the Mappers/Modders role?

weak lodge Nov 30, 2016, 9:44 PM

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yes please

unreal oyster Nov 30, 2016, 9:45 PM

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alright, done 😃

weak lodge Nov 30, 2016, 11:00 PM

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neat

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i might cook up another dm map

vivid forum Dec 1, 2016, 1:09 AM

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@unreal oyster what do you mean by role?

unreal oyster Dec 1, 2016, 1:10 AM

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It would mean that you would get a purple name and would be in that list of Mappers/Modders to the side

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Do you want it? I know you map so no proof would be needed

vivid forum Dec 1, 2016, 1:10 AM

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Sure

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My Nova III map is lookin dang good, but I need to tie it all together, right now it seems a little disjointed

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Not sure how to go about it though.

unreal oyster Dec 1, 2016, 1:11 AM

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Hmm, on mobile I can't seem to do it

vivid forum Dec 1, 2016, 1:11 AM

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Whenever, no rush from me

unreal oyster Dec 1, 2016, 1:12 AM

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@royal wave @steel onyx either of you mind giving @vivid forum mappers/modders role?

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Can't do it because mobile

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Oh nvm I found the setting

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There we go

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Alright gonna go sleep now

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See y'all

vivid forum Dec 1, 2016, 1:13 AM

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'nite

royal wave Dec 1, 2016, 1:16 AM

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heh

sharp bear Dec 1, 2016, 4:24 AM

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Wait wha I got mentioned

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Ohhh nvm

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😛

torpid summit Dec 2, 2016, 12:45 PM

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Wow, that took me way too long to figure out what notified me. :V

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And yes, I've been doing neat-modding shit with Min for over half a decade.

haughty flower Dec 2, 2016, 3:54 PM

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@sharp bear so, i'm currently working on it

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and if you have a PC or laptop you can use, i can DM you a joinme if it's allowed

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back to main subject

unreal oyster Dec 2, 2016, 3:54 PM

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@haughty flower you can use GetPlayerInput for that

haughty flower Dec 2, 2016, 3:54 PM

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really?

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my god

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that makes stuff so easy

unreal oyster Dec 2, 2016, 3:55 PM

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Yeah, only limitation is you need a binding in KEYCONF first

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So that the player can rebind the control if they want to

haughty flower Dec 2, 2016, 3:55 PM

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but but that's gonna take more work

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i don't mind but

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i want it to be specific and useful controls

unreal oyster Dec 2, 2016, 3:56 PM

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It's the only way to do it

haughty flower Dec 2, 2016, 3:56 PM

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well okay

unreal oyster Dec 2, 2016, 3:56 PM

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There's no way to get the direct input

haughty flower Dec 2, 2016, 3:56 PM

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kay

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so keyconf is only for putting it into the binds menu right?

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gotta read the wiki

unreal oyster Dec 2, 2016, 3:56 PM

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Yes, pretty much

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You give the bind a name and a default key

haughty flower Dec 2, 2016, 3:57 PM

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so, if i want it to execute ACS

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i use... puke scriptnumber?

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or scriptname

sharp bear Dec 2, 2016, 3:58 PM

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From the keyconf yeah I think thats how it works

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In ACS though you'd have to use acs_execute

unreal oyster Dec 2, 2016, 3:59 PM

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You can either puke it or run GetPlayerInput in a while loop

haughty flower Dec 2, 2016, 3:59 PM

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so puke script10

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in the keyconf

unreal oyster Dec 2, 2016, 3:59 PM

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The while loop approach is more flexible

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And no

haughty flower Dec 2, 2016, 3:59 PM

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or in ACS

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dunno

unreal oyster Dec 2, 2016, 3:59 PM

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Just puke 10

sharp bear Dec 2, 2016, 3:59 PM

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^ yeah

unreal oyster Dec 2, 2016, 4:01 PM

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But seriously though you shouldnt be using numbered scripts for a keybinding

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Use named scripts instead

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To avoid conflict

haughty flower Dec 2, 2016, 4:01 PM

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ugh

sharp bear Dec 2, 2016, 4:01 PM

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I need to start using named scripts more I'm so used to numbers for some reason 👀

haughty flower Dec 2, 2016, 4:01 PM

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i'll name my next script

unreal oyster Dec 2, 2016, 4:01 PM

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I've been using named scripts since very early on

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So much easier to organise everything

sharp bear Dec 2, 2016, 4:02 PM

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Also gives much more compatibility 👍

unreal oyster Dec 2, 2016, 4:02 PM

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Oh @sharp bear and @torpid summit you want the Mappers/Modders role?

sharp bear Dec 2, 2016, 4:03 PM

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I could have both?

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I thought it was just one or the other

unreal oyster Dec 2, 2016, 4:04 PM

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Mappers/modders is one role, though if you're talking about youtubers/streamers you can have both but mappers/modders overrides youtubers/streamers in the sidebar

haughty flower Dec 2, 2016, 4:04 PM

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addkeysection "MapBinds" Binds addmenukey "Select +" Select alias my_newbind "puke 6" defaultbind , my_newbind

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is that good

unreal oyster Dec 2, 2016, 4:04 PM

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Better to test than ask

haughty flower Dec 2, 2016, 4:04 PM

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well it says that "Select2" doesn't exist

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addmenukey "Select -" Select2 alias my_newbind2 "puke 7" defaultbind . my_newbind2

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got it

sharp bear Dec 2, 2016, 4:07 PM

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Change the alias

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Oh okay

haughty flower Dec 2, 2016, 4:09 PM

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now it auto selects/deselects stuff using keybinds

unreal oyster Dec 2, 2016, 4:11 PM

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@lazor999 I was wondering, how exactly does this system work? I assume the map geometry is all static but rises and lowers to allow the user to create a level?

haughty flower Dec 2, 2016, 4:11 PM

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okay so

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i started off simple, by changing all the map textures to different presets with switches

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i tagged the sectors you can (de)select and move

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moving being heights

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i made them move when you pressed certain switches using ACS

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but now because of your help gutawer i can use keybinds making life easier

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@unreal oyster if you want i can send you a laggy join.me so you can see what's happening

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if allowed

unreal oyster Dec 2, 2016, 4:13 PM

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I'm not at home right now but I'll tell you when I can

haughty flower Dec 2, 2016, 4:13 PM

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cool

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so apparently the 3D floor is a bit buggy

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@unreal oyster it won't lower the dummy floor ceiling

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it just lowers the floor

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nevermind, manually did it

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currently 34 customizable things

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which of at least half is just a lot of cubes

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53 tags, which of most is just a base

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is there any way to mass create unique tags?

unreal oyster Dec 2, 2016, 4:45 PM

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Yes, there is a "Tag Ranges" button in gzdb

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It's somewhere at the top

haughty flower Dec 2, 2016, 4:46 PM

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found it in controls

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i had to tag all of this, but there's a wide selection now

📎 unknown.png

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like, really wide

torpid summit Dec 2, 2016, 6:49 PM

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@unreal oyster Sure, I would be cool possibly being useful outside my other modding circle.

inner fulcrum Dec 2, 2016, 11:24 PM

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Have any good tips for adding gameplay for wads?

haughty flower Dec 2, 2016, 11:58 PM

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what's a bridge in doom

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it shows gross hack

inner fulcrum Dec 3, 2016, 12:08 AM

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It's in HeXen normally. In there, it's a floating sparkle

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Everywhere else outside of HeXen, it's GROSS HACK

unreal oyster Dec 3, 2016, 12:09 AM

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what, the bridge Thing?

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pretty sure it shows up fine in Doom 2 Hexen & UDMF format

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although it's not recommended, in favour of 3d floors

royal wave Dec 3, 2016, 12:11 AM

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was gonna say

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Unless you specifically want that weird bridge look

unreal oyster Dec 3, 2016, 12:12 AM

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why total chaos uses bridge things baffles me though

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i get that it needs to use models for higher detail

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but why not use an invisible 3d floor for that purpose

wooden portal Dec 3, 2016, 12:13 AM

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Bridge things were only good for those days before software 3D floors were a thing

royal wave Dec 3, 2016, 12:14 AM

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TC uses the bridge actors? Weird

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maybe it's to make the mapping easier

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 12:14 AM

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wtf is a bridge tho

royal wave Dec 3, 2016, 12:14 AM

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I did look at the maps via slade, and it's surprisingly very minimal

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 12:14 AM

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what is bridge tho

royal wave Dec 3, 2016, 12:14 AM

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Milo chill

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Google

unreal oyster Dec 3, 2016, 12:15 AM

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@sharp smelt zdoom bridge thing

sharp smeltBOT Dec 3, 2016, 12:15 AM

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https://zdoom.org/zdkb/bridge.html

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 12:15 AM

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oh cool

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i can land on these sparkles

unreal oyster Dec 3, 2016, 12:15 AM

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yes, they are for creating bridges

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as the name would imply

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 12:15 AM

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i made a staircase

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but how was the floor meant to look like

unreal oyster Dec 3, 2016, 12:15 AM

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you'd be new to the concept of any 3d geometry, considering you seem to want to stick to doom format

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 12:15 AM

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or were you like

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walking on

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sparkles

unreal oyster Dec 3, 2016, 12:16 AM

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it's not meant to be visible

royal wave Dec 3, 2016, 12:16 AM

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bridges are very not doom

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 12:16 AM

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idk how 2 bridg

unreal oyster Dec 3, 2016, 12:16 AM

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you need to fuck around with midtextures

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to get a bridge thing working in doom format

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 12:17 AM

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how'd they do this

📎 unknown.png

unreal oyster Dec 3, 2016, 12:17 AM

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if you want bridges get out of doom format

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 12:17 AM

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oh

unreal oyster Dec 3, 2016, 12:17 AM

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using midtextures

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 12:17 AM

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with midtexture

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o

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why are they visible in game th

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and why is the normal bridge 3 spinning sparkles instead of just a normal sparkle

unreal oyster Dec 3, 2016, 12:17 AM

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idk, probably to discourage use of them

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they were implemented in hexen and probably don't play nice in doom format

inner fulcrum Dec 3, 2016, 12:18 AM

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Probably in the ZDoom PK3 afaik

royal wave Dec 3, 2016, 12:19 AM

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I would like to see 3D ramps instead of slopes

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 12:19 AM

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why hasn't anyone made doom in quake or hl1

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it's not that hard

royal wave Dec 3, 2016, 12:19 AM

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They have

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 12:20 AM

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port the new DOOM4 classic maps, that is just a port from original doom to doom4

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change the entities

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code a 2D-sprite angles thingy

unreal oyster Dec 3, 2016, 12:20 AM

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3d ramps are possible though

royal wave Dec 3, 2016, 12:20 AM

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Yeah possible, but idk how to do it 😛

unreal oyster Dec 3, 2016, 12:20 AM

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it's the same as a normal 3d floor, just with some extra steps

royal wave Dec 3, 2016, 12:20 AM

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I remeber in GZDB you could raise indivisual vertexes

unreal oyster Dec 3, 2016, 12:21 AM

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they don't get much use because zdoom slope physics are hot aids

royal wave Dec 3, 2016, 12:21 AM

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but I can't seem to figure that out anymore

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hmm

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 12:22 AM

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skyviewpoint

📎 unknown.png

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it looks like i'm an ant

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ready to get stomped

sharp bear Dec 3, 2016, 3:47 AM

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I just had an odd idea, but something decent, but it'd be cool to see a mod where you could see your own legs, like in some other FPS games, I think what could be done is cut half of the player sprites, then just attach it to the player somehow? I don't have enough knowledge to make it possible, but I'm pretty sure it is

inner fulcrum Dec 3, 2016, 4:00 AM

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https://www.dropbox.com/s/3e750ve39mro1od/WintCity.zip?dl=1 Gotten done with my first Christmas themed wad

dawn saffron Dec 3, 2016, 4:04 AM

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i like testing out not-published wads and either streaming it or recording it and posting on youtube

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but not at 5am

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so hmu tomorrow when you're awake and i'll stream it for you

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@inner fulcrum

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if you want, of course

inner fulcrum Dec 3, 2016, 4:05 AM

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That'd be great. Soon to upload to /idgames

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Hopefully I've added enough gameplay. That's the tricky bit for me

restive glade Dec 3, 2016, 4:44 AM

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quick question

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If i want to make a map for zandronum, what engine would oblige need to be under for it to work

dawn saffron Dec 3, 2016, 4:53 AM

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if i understood your question correctly, you can't go wrong with prboom

wooden portal Dec 3, 2016, 4:53 AM

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I'm willing to bet you won't have any issues using GZDoom as the engine

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I don't recall having problems but I haven't used oblige in quite awhile

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Speaking of oblige

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I should generate a megawad to play HD with

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low monster count

wooden portal Dec 3, 2016, 5:17 AM

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@restive glade if you're using oblige to generate maps for Zandybam, GZDoom seems to work just fine

torpid summit Dec 3, 2016, 9:20 AM

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@sharp bear That's actually a pretty doable idea. gimme a second to dig up an old headshot actor thread

royal wave Dec 3, 2016, 9:21 AM

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how owuld that be accomplished?

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 9:21 AM

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@sharp bear that would be impossible, since you would be seeing it from up, and the sprites are 2D, so you would not see the sprite

torpid summit Dec 3, 2016, 9:21 AM

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http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13182 You'd have to do a few things differently of course

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 9:21 AM

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and

royal wave Dec 3, 2016, 9:21 AM

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Milo i wouldn't tell a dude with the modder rank that it's impossible

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 9:22 AM

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go away

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it's just a role

royal wave Dec 3, 2016, 9:22 AM

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one you probably won't ever earn

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 9:22 AM

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stop sexually harrasing me

torpid summit Dec 3, 2016, 9:22 AM

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You'd have the spawned actor actually generate a sprite which is pretty easy

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 9:23 AM

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we can also make a md3 of doomguy's feet

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so you can actually see your legs in 3d

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instead of sprite

torpid summit Dec 3, 2016, 9:23 AM

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and 2) you'd have to inject that spot of code into a copy of player decorate instead of a zombieman :V

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 9:23 AM

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yeah but the problme is

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when you look down

torpid summit Dec 3, 2016, 9:23 AM

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The only thing that'd make it a pain is making variations

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 9:23 AM

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since it's 2D and the sprite is vertical

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woudln't it be impossible to see the legs

royal wave Dec 3, 2016, 9:23 AM

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Wouldn't that cause billboard issues @torpid summit

torpid summit Dec 3, 2016, 9:24 AM

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Yeah, just have the actor spawn a few units directly behind the player

royal wave Dec 3, 2016, 9:24 AM

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No like based on players settings

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 9:24 AM

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brb

royal wave Dec 3, 2016, 9:24 AM

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the sprite will either look flat or look like the edge of cardboard

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 9:24 AM

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^

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you can always do a MD3 of doomguy's legs tho

torpid summit Dec 3, 2016, 9:24 AM

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Oh right right right... I forget some people like to not force their sprites to render flat

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 9:25 AM

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use the 5-angle-sprites to make a md3 of his feet and voala

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then just detect if he's crouching nshit

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and *stuff

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brb

royal wave Dec 3, 2016, 9:25 AM

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said this was impossible like two minutes ago

prisma saddle Dec 3, 2016, 9:26 AM

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Who is Miloteza?

elder ridgeBOT Dec 3, 2016, 9:26 AM

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Miloteza is a memer and a DOOM (93') mapper who likes using the default map textures. He also has no idea about DECORATE and he can't make ACS work. But he can make meh-quality sprites only to insult himself after making them. He also needs help every 5 minutes.

prisma saddle Dec 3, 2016, 9:26 AM

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@royal wave

royal wave Dec 3, 2016, 9:26 AM

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okay?

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 9:26 AM

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@prisma saddle i wrote that myself, just saying

prisma saddle Dec 3, 2016, 9:27 AM

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Oh.

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 9:27 AM

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told ghostface to add it to VEGA's "Who is...?"

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ghostface woudln't add any random definitions or his own definitions to people

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unless that person allows him to

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except for

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Who is John Romero?

elder ridgeBOT Dec 3, 2016, 9:28 AM

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Alfonso John Romero (born October 28, 1967) is an American director, designer, programmer, and developer in the video game industry. He is best known as a co-founder of id Software and designer for many of their games, including Wolfenstein 3D, Dangerous Dave, Hexen, Doom and Quake. His game designs and development tools, along with new programming techniques created and implemented by id Software's lead programmer John D. Carmack, led to a mass popularization of the first person shooter, or FPS, in the 1990s. He is credited with coining the FPS multiplayer term "deathmatch".

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 9:28 AM

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etc

prisma saddle Dec 3, 2016, 9:28 AM

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Okiedoki,

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 9:29 AM

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i just noticed

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i have tons of .dmp files on my pc

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oh my god

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1gb each

prisma saddle Dec 3, 2016, 9:30 AM

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If anyone wants art for their mod or something, I'm willing to help.

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I've got nothing better to do anyway.

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 9:31 AM

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: O

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does that mean you can turn hands into doomguy hands

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or like

prisma saddle Dec 3, 2016, 9:31 AM

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No,

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 9:31 AM

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art from scratch

#

o

prisma saddle Dec 3, 2016, 9:31 AM

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Art from scratch ;3

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 9:31 AM

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but

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it's just a hand outline

#

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/162899420013264896/249592665954451481/unknown.png

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@prisma saddle

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iz just hand outline

prisma saddle Dec 3, 2016, 9:36 AM

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I kinda regret saying that now...

royal wave Dec 3, 2016, 9:37 AM

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pfff haha

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 9:37 AM

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wat

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also yeah the extended arms are just pain, you can just cut these off

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they're not supposed to be visible

royal wave Dec 3, 2016, 9:37 AM

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I don't think he wants to help anymore, is what he's saying

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 9:38 AM

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ynot

royal wave Dec 3, 2016, 9:38 AM

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idk, but something happened

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 9:38 AM

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ok

prisma saddle Dec 3, 2016, 9:38 AM

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Sorry about that,

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 9:38 AM

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probably my image looking like crap

prisma saddle Dec 3, 2016, 9:38 AM

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No,

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It's just the idea that I might get dozens of people asking for help every second.

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 9:39 AM

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yeah sure, at 10 am

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how about you say

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"1 request at once"

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"don't be an annoying piece of shit"

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybm6afy2R14&feature=youtu.be

YouTube

lambdawg

hl3 leak 2050

▶ Play video

prisma saddle Dec 3, 2016, 9:44 AM

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I'll probably just hope no one scrolls up ;3

royal wave Dec 3, 2016, 9:44 AM

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I wish I could say "Don't be an annoying piece of shit" to a lot of people

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well i don't wish, i do

wooden portal Dec 3, 2016, 9:44 AM

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I'm sure a lot of retail workers wish they could say that

royal wave Dec 3, 2016, 9:44 AM

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just really passive aggressive

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but as a mod I can't do it as much

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I have to pretend I'm not biased

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 10:22 AM

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@prisma saddle can u do mine though

unreal oyster Dec 3, 2016, 10:27 AM

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[9:25 AM] Miloteza: then just detect if he's crouching nshit```

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you can't detect if the player is crouching

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that's not a thing

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you can use ugly hacks but other than that

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 10:29 AM

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o

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alo why are you using compact theme

unreal oyster Dec 3, 2016, 10:30 AM

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because it's compact

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 10:30 AM

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🤔

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makes sense

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 10:54 AM

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maps and mods

shadow bone Dec 3, 2016, 4:44 PM

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Anyone want to try out a little mod for me?

unreal oyster Dec 3, 2016, 4:45 PM

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sure

shadow bone Dec 3, 2016, 4:46 PM

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"Realism" mod

📎 tranquility_20161203.pk3

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It's a mod for the pistol (so far) and a few other things to make it feel more "realistic"

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Very early, very WIP

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Just want to get some general feedback

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Mostly on the aiming and general feel

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GZDoom stable (2.2.0) recommended

unreal oyster Dec 3, 2016, 4:47 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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i feel like my res is fucking this up? 😛

shadow bone Dec 3, 2016, 4:48 PM

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No, that looks normal

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Ignore the numbers, just debugging

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Forgot to dummy it out lol

unreal oyster Dec 3, 2016, 4:48 PM

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oh i see, for whatever reason i assumed the scope should be on the gun

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but i guess it's a crosshair then?

shadow bone Dec 3, 2016, 4:49 PM

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Yep

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 4:53 PM

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oh god

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is this the dark souls: doom edition mod

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im making a custom hud

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@shadow bone "sprite names must be exactly 4 chars"

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in your pk3

shadow bone Dec 3, 2016, 4:55 PM

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What are you using to play? Should work fine on GZDoom stable (maybe Dev editions)

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 4:55 PM

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gzdoom

#

📎 unknown.png

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2.1.1

shadow bone Dec 3, 2016, 4:55 PM

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Yeah, you're on an older version of GZDoom

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This is intended for 2.2.0

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 4:56 PM

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fuck

shadow bone Dec 3, 2016, 4:56 PM

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Sorry 😦

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 4:56 PM

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well i'll stick with 2.1.1, fuck it

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no one taking my 2.1.1 from me

shadow bone Dec 3, 2016, 4:56 PM

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What's wrong with the newer ones? Lotsa new features and bugfixes

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 4:56 PM

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no that's gay

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installing dev version on a diff. folder

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and testing out your pk3

unreal oyster Dec 3, 2016, 4:57 PM

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miloteza, may i remind you

haughty flower Dec 3, 2016, 4:57 PM

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yeah yeah warnings stuff things