#classic-doom-maps-mods | DOOM | Page 31

unreal oyster Jul 4, 2016, 6:39 PM

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#OFFTOPIC m8

tawny lion Jul 4, 2016, 6:39 PM

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ok

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you go first

gleaming basalt Jul 4, 2016, 6:39 PM

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@tawny lion Please, keep this to #172869448863055872

tawny lion Jul 4, 2016, 6:39 PM

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ok

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thanks

unreal oyster Jul 4, 2016, 6:39 PM

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Nobody wants your cancer in this chat

tawny lion Jul 4, 2016, 6:39 PM

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i was going to delete it

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thanks

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im lazy anyway

tawny lion Jul 7, 2016, 2:39 AM

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has anyone thought on recreating the original doom maps

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properly

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since the new update that adds skybox windows

quasi parrot Jul 7, 2016, 3:23 AM

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Im sure someone will, but that someone wont be me

unreal oyster Jul 7, 2016, 7:13 AM

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Ain't possible

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Most Doom levels are far more abstract than snapmap can handle

restive glade Jul 7, 2016, 7:23 AM

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Snap map sucks period

prisma saddle Jul 7, 2016, 7:46 AM

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I would have liked to see customizable tiles in snapmap.

restive glade Jul 7, 2016, 7:50 AM

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9.99

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Pelase.

vague minnow Jul 7, 2016, 1:40 PM

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pretty sure there will be a representation of Classic in snapmap

proper shuttle Jul 7, 2016, 2:37 PM

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Tiles, but still limited

unreal oyster Jul 7, 2016, 5:10 PM

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Representation but nothing close

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You can't even create outside areas

vague minnow Jul 7, 2016, 8:02 PM

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an abstract representation

unreal oyster Jul 7, 2016, 8:03 PM

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an abstract representation of abstract levels?

vague minnow Jul 7, 2016, 8:05 PM

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kind of a Picasso version

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or better yet a Mondrian

unreal oyster Jul 7, 2016, 8:06 PM

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people have tried it already, i remember seeing a "recreation" of e2m1

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it was okay for snapmaps limits

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but it obviously didnt have the soulsphere secret

restive glade Jul 7, 2016, 9:22 PM

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hot damn all the mods are onl

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Any they have nothing to mod.

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Kappa

quasi parrot Jul 7, 2016, 9:22 PM

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Hey Gun, i think you misunderstood the meaning of the modding channel /s

restive glade Jul 7, 2016, 9:22 PM

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I think i did

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Cause i just realized.

dawn saffron Jul 7, 2016, 9:22 PM

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what lol

quasi parrot Jul 7, 2016, 9:22 PM

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Theres no modding going on in this server

restive glade Jul 7, 2016, 9:22 PM

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I just woke up

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So speaking of modding, the correct meaning, what's stopping alot of players from making levels on doom 1-2's engine.

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If snapmap really sucsk

quasi parrot Jul 7, 2016, 9:23 PM

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Because snapmap sucks, but its simple as fuck

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Original doom is slightly harder

restive glade Jul 7, 2016, 9:24 PM

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So?

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Are people that damn lazy they don't want to learn a system?

quasi parrot Jul 7, 2016, 9:26 PM

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I know i am

tawny lion Jul 8, 2016, 8:29 PM

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Doom map maker>snapmap

unreal oyster Jul 8, 2016, 8:38 PM

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doom map maker

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gunlovers shittons of people map for doom 1 and 2, ever checked doomworld/zdoom forums?

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also @quasi parrot i have a map in progress right now so i dont think its fair to say there is no modding going on in this server 😛

vague minnow Jul 8, 2016, 8:43 PM

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never tried to make doom maps. how hard is it? how long can it take to make a simple map?

unreal oyster Jul 8, 2016, 8:47 PM

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not too hard, since the engine is 2.5d

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want me to guide you through the installation and setup shit in DMs?

vague minnow Jul 8, 2016, 8:48 PM

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at work rn but yes pls

unreal oyster Jul 8, 2016, 8:48 PM

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cool, ill send you a bunch of links at the very least

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know any C/C++?

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completely not required but it helps b/c ACS' (ZDOOM's scripting language) syntax is C based

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and if you know how to script, it can really help with giving your map some depth

vague minnow Jul 8, 2016, 8:51 PM

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i only passed C++ programming in a IT course i did because i copied another project and my partner bullied the prof

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lol

unreal oyster Jul 8, 2016, 8:52 PM

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well, knowing the basics of C++ is all you need

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as long as you can write a for loop you're golden

quasi parrot Jul 8, 2016, 9:24 PM

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@unreal oyster No no no, you misunderstood, when i said modding, i meant like mods. Like the people who run the server

unreal oyster Jul 8, 2016, 9:26 PM

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oh ok lol

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not much happens that needs to be modded i guess

vague minnow Jul 9, 2016, 1:13 AM

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moderators, moderating

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to moderate

prisma saddle Jul 9, 2016, 11:44 PM

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Would you guys (And Gals) Recomend DooM Builder 2?

unreal oyster Jul 9, 2016, 11:45 PM

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no, use GZDOOM Builder

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its doom builder 2 but better

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far, far better

prisma saddle Jul 9, 2016, 11:46 PM

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Mind linking me to it, I'm a giant puss cake and I don't want to download malware.

unreal oyster Jul 9, 2016, 11:47 PM

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http://devbuilds.drdteam.org/doombuilder2-gzdb/

Rachael Alexanderson, soulpriestess@drdteam.org

SVN Builds

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also get SLADE 3, you'll want it later

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http://slade.mancubus.net/

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please note that gzdoom builder updates a LOT, so you'll need to get used to updating that program lol

prisma saddle Jul 9, 2016, 11:49 PM

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Okay,

unreal oyster Jul 9, 2016, 11:53 PM

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SLADE 3 wont be immediately useful but once you start to do more than just make maps you'll thank me

prisma saddle Jul 9, 2016, 11:53 PM

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Thanks for the advice :3

unreal oyster Jul 9, 2016, 11:53 PM

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no worries

prisma saddle Jul 9, 2016, 11:53 PM

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What format should I make my maps in, sorry I'm new to modding.

unreal oyster Jul 9, 2016, 11:54 PM

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right, i can give you two answers here, the easy decision or the hard decision

prisma saddle Jul 9, 2016, 11:54 PM

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Okay,

unreal oyster Jul 9, 2016, 11:55 PM

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because if we're talking objectively, you should be mapping in UDMF

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but its not really as simple as that

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because mapping in UDMF locks out anybody not on zdoom

prisma saddle Jul 9, 2016, 11:55 PM

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Okay,

unreal oyster Jul 9, 2016, 11:57 PM

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do you want me to give an entire lecture on the pros and cons of each one?

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because i can if you want 😛

prisma saddle Jul 10, 2016, 12:42 AM

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No it's fine,

unreal oyster Jul 10, 2016, 12:44 AM

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ok.

quasi parrot Jul 10, 2016, 12:45 AM

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So i started playing ultimate doom 2

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cause i saw something about it yesterday

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Its pretty damn long

dawn saffron Jul 10, 2016, 12:46 AM

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you know what else is "pretty damn long"?

quasi parrot Jul 10, 2016, 12:46 AM

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Nope

unreal oyster Jul 10, 2016, 12:47 AM

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i dont even know anything about it lol i was just pointing out that people were asking for the map pack when it was in the video description

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is it any good?

quasi parrot Jul 10, 2016, 12:48 AM

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Its not bad. Levels are fairly big

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I think it took me about an hour to beat 3 levels

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And they're fairly interesting

prisma saddle Jul 10, 2016, 3:03 AM

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This is my first atempt at a map...

📎 Map_atempt.PNG

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I have no idea what I'm Doing...

unreal oyster Jul 10, 2016, 8:32 AM

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Looks cool, but a few things: stop using the default textures, because it will come off as unprofessional

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If you have big sections of void that the engine isn't making into a sector, use the Make Sector tool (it's a square with a star)

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Try to avoid rectangular rooms, they aren't all that interesting

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I see you're using colored lightning, and that's cool, but make sure not to overuse it

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Also only give sectors colored lighting if there is a reason for it to be there, otherwise it just looks silly

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PSX Doom does this quite well

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As just a general tip from me, make sure the player is looking at an interesting piece of the level when they enter

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This could be anything, from a huge room with tons of enemies in or a window showcasing a secret or a Cyberdemon the player will have to face later

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See John Romero's maps for inspiration, as they all do this

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Also entryway is a really good example of this

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The triangular stairs leading up to the corridor with light coming out of it creating a contrast between the entrance and the corridor is really good level design

quasi parrot Jul 10, 2016, 9:13 AM

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I mean, i wouldnt consider a first map professional (Kind of, not saying it can't be good, but it should really just be focused on learning how to map rather than expecting something extremely professional). Theres absolutely no reason to ask them to use anything but default textures considering they're still learning how to make a map in the first place

prisma saddle Jul 10, 2016, 9:46 AM

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Thanks for the advice @unreal oyster

unreal oyster Jul 10, 2016, 10:24 AM

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And one of the basics of learning how to map is not to use the Doom builder default textures

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It's a bad habit to get into

dawn saffron Jul 10, 2016, 12:56 PM

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@unreal oyster does doom support glass?

unreal oyster Jul 10, 2016, 12:57 PM

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zdoom does yeah

dawn saffron Jul 10, 2016, 12:57 PM

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i see, thanks

unreal oyster Jul 10, 2016, 12:57 PM

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you can create a 3d floor with ~75/255 opacity and it will look like glass

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why?

dawn saffron Jul 10, 2016, 12:57 PM

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nah, just curious

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becuase you mentioned "showcasing a secret"

unreal oyster Jul 10, 2016, 1:00 PM

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oh yeah

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i actually used it in my MAP03, there is glass in the little switch room which you can see the explosion from

dawn saffron Jul 10, 2016, 1:01 PM

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right

unreal oyster Jul 10, 2016, 1:01 PM

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it just uses the SHAWN2 texture - which is a metal texture, but i find if you turn its opacity down to 75/255 it looks like frosted glass

onyx nebula Jul 11, 2016, 2:38 AM

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If using the default textures is a bad practice, then where would I get other textures?

proper shuttle Jul 11, 2016, 2:58 AM

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uh

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a bad practice?

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where

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where did you read this

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that is wrong

quasi parrot Jul 11, 2016, 2:58 AM

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"Looks cool, but a few things: stop using the default textures, because it will come off as unprofessional" -Gutawer 2016

proper shuttle Jul 11, 2016, 2:59 AM

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wow lmfao

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get out

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that is stupid as all get out

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unprofessional?

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since when do people sell doom mods

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i thought it was a fan made thing and not a SRS BSNS thing

quasi parrot Jul 11, 2016, 3:04 AM

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Hey man, the only time a map is good is if it looks good, gameplay means nothing /s

proper shuttle Jul 11, 2016, 3:04 AM

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there are mapping tutorials in doomworld

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it should have links

unreal oyster Jul 11, 2016, 7:18 AM

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Mate

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I was talking about the default Doom builder 2 textures

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Not the fucking Doom 2 textures, they're awesome

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But Doom builder 2 has a specific set of textures that it uses by default and from what I could see zehatsu was using them

prisma saddle Jul 11, 2016, 7:23 AM

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@unreal oyster That was just me messing around with the Geo tools,

unreal oyster Jul 11, 2016, 7:23 AM

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Yeah I know

prisma saddle Jul 11, 2016, 7:23 AM

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I've stopped using them everywhere.

unreal oyster Jul 11, 2016, 7:23 AM

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Yep

quasi parrot Jul 11, 2016, 7:37 AM

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@unreal oyster I retract pretty much everything I said then. I was figuring you were rambling on about how people should only use custom textures or some shit

unreal oyster Jul 11, 2016, 8:05 AM

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Yeah it's fine

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Although to answer @AdamEternal 's question you can get custom textures from Realm667 or Doomworld

quasi parrot Jul 11, 2016, 9:11 AM

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I know I said I didn't have plans to get into map making...but I did

📎 Capture.PNG

unreal oyster Jul 11, 2016, 10:22 AM

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stop using doom builder 2 and use gzdoom builder

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just sayin

prisma saddle Jul 11, 2016, 12:08 PM

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I should probably stop changing the layout outside of the Elevator...

📎 Mapu.PNG

unreal oyster Jul 11, 2016, 12:49 PM

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is that a carpet or blood texture? lol

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i cant see with the zoom out

prisma saddle Jul 11, 2016, 12:50 PM

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Carpet.

unreal oyster Jul 11, 2016, 12:51 PM

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ok cool

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btw are those pillars hand drawn? you know there is a polygon tool for making circles automatically? lol

prisma saddle Jul 11, 2016, 12:52 PM

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They aren't hand drawn.

unreal oyster Jul 11, 2016, 12:52 PM

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oh ok

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its just that they looked kinda wonky but after zooming in they are fine lol

quasi parrot Jul 12, 2016, 3:56 AM

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First map I've been working on if anyone wants to test it out. Fairly basic and I dont have all the decorations yet. Some textures are a bit off due to the floor height I set it at. Ill try to remake it later so that doesn't happen. Easy mode is the mode I use to test doors and switches, so easy mode has no enemies.

📎 MakeNameLater.wad

prisma saddle Jul 12, 2016, 4:20 AM

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In my opinion it's a little too harsh, especially the part where you get the shotgun,

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But maybe that's because I dislike large amounts of hitscan enemies.

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It's pretty good for a first map though :3

prisma saddle Jul 12, 2016, 4:58 AM

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My map seems to be getting worse...

📎 Mapu_part_2.PNG

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 7:01 AM

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Dances you don't need to do that with easy mode just launch the game with the -nomonsters parameter

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 7:22 AM

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So OK, I tried out your map dances, and I have two major problems with it

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First of all, it feels like it was made in snapmap rather than Doom builder

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The room design just felt like you snapped some premade rectangle rooms together

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This is what I was saying about square rooms, don't do it

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Second of all, the monster placement

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Tone it down a bit with the hitscanners, OK?

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And also, give the player a bit more ammo and health than you did if you're asking them to fight off shotgun guys, imps, cacos and hell Knights all at the same time

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I also hated the starting room, the candelabras might look nice but they stop you from actually shooting the enemies you have been forced to fight so I'd rearrange those

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And on the topic of monster closets, not every object needs to be closeted, ok?

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I could tell every time a monster closet would open, because you had just made it so predictable

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There's no need to closet a shotgun, it's just a low tier weapon

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Also, the blue key monster closet is really dumb

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That's far too many enemies for a non-secret item

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But apart from that, you show promise and I'd carry on

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Just work on varying your architecture, stop making the entire map one texture, and maybe rethink your monster placement

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Be a bit more clever with it, rather than using closets for everything

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I don't think you've played my maps, right?

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Because you said you were going to stream them

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So if you want my own take on good design, go download my map

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/162891400684371968/201401466966114304/Gutawers_First_Three_Levels.pk3

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You already downloaded the old version, so you need to get this one

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It has an extra map from the last version

restive glade Jul 12, 2016, 8:06 AM

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meanwhile

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ill give a hand in making my own

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so might i ask.

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How do i place down a player spawn

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 8:28 AM

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first of all, use gzdoom builder rather than db2 if you arent already

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then use things mode (press T, there's also a button on the left) and right click

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then find the player 1 start thing

quasi parrot Jul 12, 2016, 9:32 AM

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Sorry, i just felt like my level was wayyyy too easy, and honestly still is

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I dunno, the way you put it, sounds like you just stood in the middle of the candles and tried shooting at an angle towards everyone

prisma saddle Jul 12, 2016, 9:35 AM

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@quasi parrot Next time focus on putting more projectile and melee enemies.

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:48 AM

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yes exactly

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hitscanners are not fun to play against

quasi parrot Jul 12, 2016, 9:48 AM

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Eh, i dunno, hitscanners have never bothered me

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:48 AM

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also im not saying it was hard

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just annoying

quasi parrot Jul 12, 2016, 9:48 AM

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And also, give the player a bit more ammo and health than you did if you're asking them to fight off shotgun guys, imps, cacos and hell Knights all at the same time

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:49 AM

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and also one thing ive learnt is that it doesnt matter if you think your level is too easy

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because you are the one who is testing it over and over again

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it's going to feel easy

quasi parrot Jul 12, 2016, 9:50 AM

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I mean like, first time not dropping below 80 health easy

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:50 AM

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its the first level though, the player isnt expecting a goddamn slaughtermap

quasi parrot Jul 12, 2016, 9:50 AM

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again

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not dropping below 80

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:51 AM

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do you drop below 80 on hangar?

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or entryway?

quasi parrot Jul 12, 2016, 9:51 AM

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Entryway yes

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Hangar no

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:51 AM

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anyway take my opinion about difficulty with a grain of salt for now, i was playing on my phone on the tube

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ill replay it at home and give a better formed opinion

quasi parrot Jul 12, 2016, 9:52 AM

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Im already working on an update

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:52 AM

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but i think my thing about monster closets still stands

quasi parrot Jul 12, 2016, 9:52 AM

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removed all but one

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:52 AM

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cool

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if you are going to put them in, be unpredictable with them

quasi parrot Jul 12, 2016, 9:53 AM

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Which is the first one, but im not putting you in a room without a weapon that has enemies in it

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:53 AM

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or players are just going to learn to get a bfg out before a closet

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yeah

quasi parrot Jul 12, 2016, 9:54 AM

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I mean, closets are always predictable unless they're in a random spot that has no reason to it...so i guess thats not a bad idea

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:54 AM

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honestly the shotgun one is fine, just move the candelabras a bit, lemme show you where i think they should be

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X OO X
X OO X

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instead of this

quasi parrot Jul 12, 2016, 9:55 AM

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i switched them to light posts, ill test to see if it works any better

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:55 AM

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X X
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X X

restive glade Jul 12, 2016, 9:55 AM

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So t is the magic key

quasi parrot Jul 12, 2016, 9:55 AM

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depends on what you're using

restive glade Jul 12, 2016, 9:55 AM

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And my design is rather stupid

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:55 AM

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no, Q is the magic key 😛

restive glade Jul 12, 2016, 9:55 AM

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Im just building rooms

quasi parrot Jul 12, 2016, 9:55 AM

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I think W is the magic key honestly

restive glade Jul 12, 2016, 9:55 AM

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To test

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No seriously

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For monsters and humans

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:55 AM

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what does W do again, i literally only use Q

restive glade Jul 12, 2016, 9:56 AM

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I need to know what the key is

quasi parrot Jul 12, 2016, 9:56 AM

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Its doom builders way of going into first person view

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:56 AM

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i just click the buttons normally

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oh yeah

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in GZDOOM builder (which you should be using) its Q

restive glade Jul 12, 2016, 9:56 AM

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Im using it

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Im not dumb

quasi parrot Jul 12, 2016, 9:56 AM

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I know, ive got GZdoom builder installed, im just finishing this map in doom builder

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Cause its easier

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:56 AM

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they are interchangable though ?

quasi parrot Jul 12, 2016, 9:56 AM

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Kind of

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:56 AM

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you can open a map in either one

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there is a bit to relearn, like the texture grouping moving from the left of the textures to the right

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but otherwise its mostly the same

quasi parrot Jul 12, 2016, 9:57 AM

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I tried to reopen this one in the other one and it fucked up my assets. I know what to do, but ive already got this set up and i just wanna get this map finished before messing around with intracacies that i can pull off in gzdoom builder

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:57 AM

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and GZDoom Builder's First Person Mode is a MILLION times faster and better

quasi parrot Jul 12, 2016, 9:58 AM

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Seemed the same to me

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:58 AM

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it even has skybox rendering built in

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which is a GODSEND

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for outdoors

restive glade Jul 12, 2016, 9:58 AM

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Your mom is a godsend for outdoors

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😛

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No idea how people keep walking into it

quasi parrot Jul 12, 2016, 9:59 AM

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They're not walking into it

prisma saddle Jul 12, 2016, 9:59 AM

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@restive glade Your mum is pretty good for playtesting 😸

quasi parrot Jul 12, 2016, 9:59 AM

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You're jut stretching it

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incoming

restive glade Jul 12, 2016, 9:59 AM

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FUCK YOU ZEHAT! THAT WAS GOOD

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High five

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Back to my point

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Im throwing lava and shit down, do i need to assign an id for it to harm?

prisma saddle Jul 12, 2016, 10:00 AM

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Yes.

quasi parrot Jul 12, 2016, 10:01 AM

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Its in the sector editor

restive glade Jul 12, 2016, 10:01 AM

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Fuck if i know

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What the hell that is

quasi parrot Jul 12, 2016, 10:01 AM

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Go to sector and right click on what you wanna make hurty

restive glade Jul 12, 2016, 10:01 AM

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K

quasi parrot Jul 12, 2016, 10:01 AM

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Effects then special, and theres shit thats like damage -2 or 5% health

prisma saddle Jul 12, 2016, 10:03 AM

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And if you really want to you can screw around with 3D floors for deep pools.

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But that's too hard for me to explain on it's own.

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 10:10 AM

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no you dont need to assign an id for a harming floor

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just give it a sector special

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if you want to learn just watch chubzdoomer's tutorials

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they are really informative and helpful

quasi parrot Jul 12, 2016, 11:12 AM

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Heres my last revision for the night, im going to bed soon

📎 MakeNameLater.wad

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 11:15 AM

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cool ill give it a go later

prisma saddle Jul 12, 2016, 11:44 AM

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Here's the last revisions I've done.

📎 Of_Cogs_And_Rooks.wad

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@quasi parrot I found some bugs in it.

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Like non acid materials registering as damaging floor and a weird instance where a door gets blocked by a once sided texture...

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 12:02 PM

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ah the damaging floors thing is an easy mistake to make

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ive just learnt to set damaging sectors after building the entire room

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then again i dont ever use damaging floors anymore, only damaging swimmable 3d floors

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which are far more obvious when it goes wrong

restive glade Jul 12, 2016, 7:26 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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thats all ive done

quasi parrot Jul 12, 2016, 7:40 PM

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@prisma saddle Damn, i thought i got all of those, i made sure to check. Thanks though 😄

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 7:44 PM

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FUCKING HELL PEOPLE STOP MAPPING WITH RECTANGLES XD

restive glade Jul 12, 2016, 7:46 PM

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IM DOIN WHAT I PLEASE

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IM LEARNING AS I USE IT

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 7:53 PM

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yeah, yeah i know im just messing 😛

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just dont fall into the trap of making your map feel like it was built in snapmap lol

dawn saffron Jul 12, 2016, 7:54 PM

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loooooool

restive glade Jul 12, 2016, 7:55 PM

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so

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remind me

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i was absolutely gone in my mind when i asked this

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Spawning enemies/props/player

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 7:56 PM

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like teleporting them in, or just putting them in the level?

restive glade Jul 12, 2016, 7:56 PM

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putting them

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 7:56 PM

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just use things mode

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just as you place the player spawns

restive glade Jul 12, 2016, 7:57 PM

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things mode.

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I dont see one

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📎 unknown.png

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playing around with other maps

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 7:58 PM

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oh things mode, just press T

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📎 unknown.png

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or use this button

restive glade Jul 12, 2016, 8:00 PM

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THANKS

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God.

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now i want to make openinings to other rooms

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How would i start that?

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 8:01 PM

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openings?

restive glade Jul 12, 2016, 8:01 PM

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like you know, walk through walls without you know..

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looking odd

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 8:01 PM

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you want the player to be able to walk through a wall?

restive glade Jul 12, 2016, 8:01 PM

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nvm

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figured it out

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 8:01 PM

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yeah

restive glade Jul 12, 2016, 8:01 PM

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it just adds to the room.

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 8:01 PM

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oh

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yeah lol

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yeah thats been a feature in doom level editors since 1993 lol

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they may not have had 3d mode, but they at least had auto-connection of rooms 😛

restive glade Jul 12, 2016, 8:05 PM

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so for doors.

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like i want a door right here.

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unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 8:07 PM

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someone posted https://youtu.be/AhECef865ds this is #showroom-archive yesterday

YouTube

DoomTheRobot

GZDoom Builder Tutorials - #4 - Doors (Hexen and UDMF Format)

▶ Play video

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i havent watched it but im sure it will help

restive glade Jul 12, 2016, 8:08 PM

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woo

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im actually doing somethings advanced?

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Already/

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 8:09 PM

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no

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no you are not.

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doors are the most basic thing apart from building in doom editing, sorry

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oh btw after watching that tutorial he is mapping in Hexen mode, but its practically the same thing

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only difference is you get the advantage of using checkboxes for linedef actions instead of a dropdown menu

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oh, nevermind

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the second half of his tutorial is for UDMF

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so skip to about halfway through i guess

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also its not that important, but i should mention it - standard door size in doom levels is 128 x 16 for most doors

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128 Z height also

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 8:34 PM

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would anyone watch if i made a gzdoom builder tutorial for doom 4 style arenas?

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 8:49 PM

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or maybe not watch, i could do a writeup on zdoom forums or something idk

sharp bear Jul 12, 2016, 8:58 PM

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Oh hey, thanks for linking my video

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My previous video was in Doom format

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 8:59 PM

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no problem man, it was relevant and i've never found a gzdoom builder tutorial for UDMF doors before

sharp bear Jul 12, 2016, 9:00 PM

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Yeah, I never seen any videos out there covering basic things, but most commonly used things

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:00 PM

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its weird, UDMF tutorials are always for the advanced stuff

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but never the basics

sharp bear Jul 12, 2016, 9:01 PM

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UDMF is basically the most advanced you can get out of doom maps

vague minnow Jul 12, 2016, 9:01 PM

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that would be a nice youtube channel.

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basic shit

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:01 PM

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yeah i know but people still need to know the basics

sharp bear Jul 12, 2016, 9:01 PM

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Yeah, I agree

vague minnow Jul 12, 2016, 9:01 PM

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how to make: a room

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how to make: a room with a door

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:02 PM

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you can find tutorials for 3d sloped floors with udmf all over the place but a simple door? nope

vague minnow Jul 12, 2016, 9:02 PM

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how to make: a window

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and so on

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:02 PM

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well i mean windows with actual glass are quite difficult

vague minnow Jul 12, 2016, 9:02 PM

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nah just an opening

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:02 PM

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yeah i know what you mean

vague minnow Jul 12, 2016, 9:02 PM

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K.I.S.S.

sharp bear Jul 12, 2016, 9:03 PM

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Windows are pretty easy, so maybe I should do a tutorial on that after doing all of the other basic things

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I think there is about two different ways to do windows, breaking windows and transparent textures to give it a window look

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:04 PM

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doesnt UDMF have a breaking glass special built in? or maybe im going crazy

vague minnow Jul 12, 2016, 9:04 PM

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considering Doom is getting another wind, and SnapMap is currently crap, a youtube channel with basic tutorials can get some good clicks

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:04 PM

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the way i do windows is a 70 Opacity 3d floor with the SHAWN2 texture

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it looks a lot like frosted glass

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📎 unknown.png

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looks like that in game

vague minnow Jul 12, 2016, 9:06 PM

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could even make som "special editions" with everything related to doors, triggers, etc

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:06 PM

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bloody gzdoom builder update

sharp bear Jul 12, 2016, 9:07 PM

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I hate the default setting they force on the latest version :/

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Making textures render all source like

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:08 PM

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i have an actor in my DECORATE called NightmareSpectre which is just a pinky with double health and renderstyle: subtract and since it doesnt contain any texture lumps of its own gzdoom builder is moaning about missing the sprite lump

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was never an issue in r670 so they broke something in r671 lol

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wait what do you mean making textures render all source like?

sharp bear Jul 12, 2016, 9:09 PM

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like, I don't know how to explain it, I'll have to send a pic, gimme a sec

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I fixed and all eariler, but what bugs me the most is that it defaults to this when you update when normally i didnt set it like this

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📎 this2.PNG

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normally it'd be all pixelated and stuff, but it looks like this by default when it updates

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:11 PM

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what the fuck...?

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i dont have that?

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does that only happen with the auto updater? i cant use it because it doesnt work for me

sharp bear Jul 12, 2016, 9:12 PM

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Yeah, I used the auto updater

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Is it just me or does it crash when i try to take screenshots with it? I'm forced to use the snipping tool for it

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:13 PM

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just you, sharex works fine for me

sharp bear Jul 12, 2016, 9:13 PM

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Kinda figured

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:13 PM

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yeah jesus christ that rendering is horrible

sharp bear Jul 12, 2016, 9:13 PM

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Ikr, thank god I can turn it off

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:13 PM

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linear filtering is super ugly

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i can bear HQ4X because it's a mathematic resizer that actually looks ok

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but linear filtering just makes things blurry

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i will never understand why its a default gzdoom option

sharp bear Jul 12, 2016, 9:15 PM

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Okay, I found out why screenshots aren't working in the program, my computer went haywire or something, so it only works when it runs in adminstator

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:15 PM

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also, do you know if you can disable gzdoom builder fog?

sharp bear Jul 12, 2016, 9:15 PM

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Yeah

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:16 PM

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oh thank god, how can you do that

sharp bear Jul 12, 2016, 9:16 PM

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📎 MAP01_edit_area_at_2016.07.12_17-15-03.134_R2671.jpg

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hang on lemme find it

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its in the options

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:17 PM

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cool

sharp bear Jul 12, 2016, 9:17 PM

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should be here

📎 view.PNG

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under view distance

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:20 PM

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niceee

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i hate the fog, its default value is so low

sharp bear Jul 12, 2016, 9:20 PM

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I never really liked the default value as well

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I should probably make another tutorial when I get the chance

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:25 PM

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yeah i was thinking of making a tutorial on Doom 4 style arenas in zdoom but i dont really like talking on the internet :/

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i mean i could do one of those annoying "read the text on screen" tutorials but at that point why wouldn't i just write it instead

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its a shame as well because i want to share my method of doing it, because it works really well imo :/

restive glade Jul 12, 2016, 9:28 PM

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why even use doom 4 is the question Kappa

sharp bear Jul 12, 2016, 9:29 PM

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I haven't played Doom 4 tbh, but from what I heard from SnapMap, the only cool things are what people do with something about circuits or something

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Other than that, doom 4 snapmap seems shit

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:30 PM

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it is

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but doom 4 has a lot of these arenas in the campaign where you face off against tons of enemies in waves

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and while i did feel like they were a bit overdone by the end of the campaign, i liked them enough to try and replicate them in gzdoom builder

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and i found a really efficient way with a very low amount of code that even accounts for the player teleport-blocking

sharp bear Jul 12, 2016, 9:32 PM

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if i remember, zandronum has a dmflag for that too

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to prevent telefragging on coop and such

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:34 PM

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yeah but the problem was that enemies wouldn't teleport in if the player was standing in their destination, and since all enemies needed to be killed the map would become impossible to finish

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so i fixed it with quite an elegant solution

sharp bear Jul 12, 2016, 9:37 PM

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nice

restive glade Jul 12, 2016, 9:41 PM

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doom 4 is arena shooter.

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except without you know, the fun

dawn saffron Jul 12, 2016, 9:42 PM

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so it has a lot of arenas?

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i enjoyed it way more when i connected my controller - multiplayer, that is

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:42 PM

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gunlovers, you havent even played it right?

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its a load of fun actually

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the arena-by-arena shit gets a bit old by the end but the majority of the game feels really fresh and fun

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its MP, however, id agree

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but the campaign is not an arena shooter without the fun lol

quasi parrot Jul 12, 2016, 9:49 PM

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Uh...i guess i broke the textures on one of my doors and no one noticed. Or i missed the message. Fixed that

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:50 PM

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its an easy mistake to make lol

quasi parrot Jul 12, 2016, 9:51 PM

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Nah, it opened up and showed a texture. Could still walk through it. I set it to have a middle texture too on accident

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Good thing i tested it again

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:52 PM

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again, easy mistake to make lol

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happens to all of us

quasi parrot Jul 12, 2016, 9:52 PM

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Huh, alright. Im still getting used to selecting the right textures, but i think ive got it down

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 9:57 PM

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slightly fixed version of my map03

📎 Gutawers_First_Three_Levels_V2.pk3

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fixes some missing textures and adds a shitty workaround to brutal doom being fucking retarded

proper shuttle Jul 12, 2016, 10:07 PM

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lol

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but brutal doom is fucking retarded

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poorly coded

unreal oyster Jul 12, 2016, 10:56 PM

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yeah

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its rockets dont even explode on death, they have some weird exploding thing

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that means that cool shit like i try to do in my maps just flat out doesn't work

unreal oyster Jul 13, 2016, 12:02 AM

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https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3s5XTGr1FuGWUI0dGVES1JESUU/view

Google Docs

lighting plugin.zip

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check this out for gzdoom builder

prisma saddle Jul 13, 2016, 2:21 AM

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It (apparently) also has parts of digitised gore photographs...

quasi parrot Jul 13, 2016, 3:08 AM

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It used to

restive glade Jul 13, 2016, 3:32 AM

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used to?

quasi parrot Jul 13, 2016, 3:36 AM

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in v19

tawny lion Jul 13, 2016, 5:08 AM

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@quasi parrot Just played through your map

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And it has BD glitches lol

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im like a BD tester for maps now

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📎 Screenshot_Doom_20160713_090718.png

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📎 Screenshot_Doom_20160713_090713.png

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that ambush door doesnt open

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in the first image you can see

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and in the seond image im on the other side

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it doesnt open

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but you can walk through it'

quasi parrot Jul 13, 2016, 5:10 AM

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Thats not a BD glitch, that just had to do with a texture i missplaced

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I fixed that earlier and didnt bother dropping the new wad here

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Actually, might be a BD glitch come to think of it

tawny lion Jul 13, 2016, 5:38 AM

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oh

vague minnow Jul 13, 2016, 4:16 PM

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that some flashlight ?

prisma saddle Jul 13, 2016, 4:22 PM

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I'm thinking about making a DooM 2 wad that's mostly underwater, do you guys like the idea?

tawny lion Jul 13, 2016, 4:22 PM

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@vague minnow Yes

vague minnow Jul 13, 2016, 4:27 PM

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@prisma saddle can be fun if its inspired by underwater movies

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enclosed dark spaces and then gotta make a long swim

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make it to the next airlock before you drown

prisma saddle Jul 13, 2016, 4:28 PM

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I was thinking about including sunken cities and undead pirates.

vague minnow Jul 13, 2016, 4:29 PM

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that can work

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city = buildings = lots of air pockets

unreal oyster Jul 13, 2016, 5:35 PM

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If you are going to do that you must put in an air metre though

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Might take a bit of SBARINFO but out would be worth it

prisma saddle Jul 13, 2016, 5:36 PM

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Okay.

unreal oyster Jul 13, 2016, 8:54 PM

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fixed a few things in the map so this is the recommended version now

📎 Gutawers_First_Three_Levels_V2.1.pk3

unreal oyster Jul 13, 2016, 11:48 PM

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Hey they fixed the GZDOOM builder bug I reported, cool

novel isle Jul 13, 2016, 11:54 PM

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which one? A bug with uservars was also recently fixed

unreal oyster Jul 14, 2016, 7:10 AM

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The one in r672 called DECORATE support

tawny lion Jul 14, 2016, 9:58 AM

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@unreal oyster How many more versions are you going to release lol

📎 unknown.png

unreal oyster Jul 14, 2016, 10:00 AM

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none hopefully

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unless i find another thing to fix

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you can thank brutal doom for V2 and 2.1 btw 😛

inner fulcrum Jul 15, 2016, 11:07 AM

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Might as well show off my WIP, MAP02 for Infersol.wad

📎 unknown.png

prisma saddle Jul 15, 2016, 11:57 AM

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That looks like something I'd play.

inner fulcrum Jul 15, 2016, 12:05 PM

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Fair warning, I may not add enough gameplay. I'm kind of bad at that :/

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That can be a bit of a thing.

quasi parrot Jul 15, 2016, 12:20 PM

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@inner fulcrum If you'd like gameplay testers, i would definitely be up for it. That map design looks great

inner fulcrum Jul 15, 2016, 12:21 PM

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For the most part, I'm great at structure, mostly techbases.

quasi parrot Jul 15, 2016, 12:22 PM

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I mean, the design definitely looks interesting

inner fulcrum Jul 15, 2016, 12:24 PM

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It was tricky to figure out. I've tried to get some inspiration by playing some shovelware I own, gotten some. Thankfully I've figured out the rest without that,

unreal oyster Jul 15, 2016, 12:24 PM

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yeah that looks good

inner fulcrum Jul 15, 2016, 12:24 PM

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As for gameplay testers, that'd be great 😄

quasi parrot Jul 15, 2016, 12:25 PM

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I would gladly be a gameplay tester, would be an honor with design like that

unreal oyster Jul 15, 2016, 12:25 PM

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i cant wait until i get to the hell part of my WAD because i feel like there is so much more to do with that aesthetic

dawn saffron Jul 15, 2016, 12:25 PM

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quasi parrot Jul 15, 2016, 12:25 PM

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^ mitori too, he does that game testing stuff too

dawn saffron Jul 15, 2016, 12:25 PM

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and uploads them to my channel :3

inner fulcrum Jul 15, 2016, 12:25 PM

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idk when I'll get it done since I'm also an artist.

quasi parrot Jul 15, 2016, 12:25 PM

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@unreal oyster Im actually interested to see what you can do with the hell levels

unreal oyster Jul 15, 2016, 12:26 PM

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yeah there is gonna be a hell of a lot of scripting for weird hellish events i think

dawn saffron Jul 15, 2016, 12:26 PM

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as in you draw or as in you're disorganized and procrastinate a lot? @inner fulcrum

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😄

inner fulcrum Jul 15, 2016, 12:26 PM

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???

dawn saffron Jul 15, 2016, 12:26 PM

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ahh

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the artists are usually disorganised and procrastinators. i dunno.

quasi parrot Jul 15, 2016, 12:27 PM

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Stereotypes ftw

unreal oyster Jul 15, 2016, 12:30 PM

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the funny thing with doom maps is that to me at least they look so much more detailed when viewed from above lol

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when you are playing them, they dont feel as detailed as they actually are

quasi parrot Jul 15, 2016, 12:31 PM

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^ That is very true. I think the original levels are a pretty good example of that

unreal oyster Jul 15, 2016, 12:33 PM

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for example sometimes i just open my maps and look at them from above and think to myself "holy shit these look so much better in birds eye view"

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its probably just due to the fact that GZDoom builder shows detail lines whereas you cant see them while playing

quasi parrot Jul 15, 2016, 12:34 PM

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I mean, when it comes down to ingame, id assume that the way textures are used are more important than bird eye view?

unreal oyster Jul 15, 2016, 12:35 PM

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yeah good texturing is really difficult

quasi parrot Jul 15, 2016, 12:35 PM

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Ive noticed that, my issue was that i didnt like how tall my map was, so i lowered the ceiling. Big mistake

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Absolutely killed my textures

unreal oyster Jul 15, 2016, 12:35 PM

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just use the auto align button lol

inner fulcrum Jul 15, 2016, 12:35 PM

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I'll work more later. It's 5:35 am. I'll see you all later

quasi parrot Jul 15, 2016, 12:36 PM

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@unreal oyster Erm...i wanna say i did, but i honestly dont even know if i did because my memory is literally teririble

unreal oyster Jul 15, 2016, 12:36 PM

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lol

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i sometimes just look at my maps, think to myself "there is actually a lot more detail in this than i remember" then i look at knee deep in zdoom's first fucking map and want to kill myself

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📎 unknown.png

quasi parrot Jul 15, 2016, 12:37 PM

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So does that type of look to a map just come with experience?

unreal oyster Jul 15, 2016, 12:38 PM

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experience and HUGE amounts of effort

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knee deep in zdoom has 10 maps and took 2 years

quasi parrot Jul 15, 2016, 12:38 PM

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Yeah, definitely effort, i can see that

unreal oyster Jul 15, 2016, 12:38 PM

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meaning about 2.4 months per map

quasi parrot Jul 15, 2016, 12:39 PM

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Huh...i think i put 5 hours or so into my map...now i feel like thats nothing

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i mean basic design took me no time, and that shows

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But fixes and texturing is the bulk of the time

unreal oyster Jul 15, 2016, 12:39 PM

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my first map took about a week i think

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map03 might have taken 2 or 3, if i remove days where i did nothing

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actually knee deep in zdoom took 2years 9months, meaning 3.3 months per map

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and it shows

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📎 unknown.png

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that's z1m6

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some areas of the map are just plain grey because at that zoom level the detail lines basically obscure the floor

dawn saffron Jul 15, 2016, 12:42 PM

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i feel really bad about myself, even more now

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but this is crazy

unreal oyster Jul 15, 2016, 12:46 PM

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you get over it by just telling yourself you will eventually get to that level 😛

dawn saffron Jul 15, 2016, 12:46 PM

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nah, i'm more jealous of the determination

unreal oyster Jul 15, 2016, 12:46 PM

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http://zdoom.org/wiki/Knee-Deep_in_ZDoom#Contributors

Knee-Deep in ZDoom

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it wasnt the work of one guy

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26 people

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only 6 of which are listed under additional help

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so 20 people directly involved

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i will admit i havent played through it though, to me it feels really lacking in the gameplay front unfortunately

dawn saffron Jul 15, 2016, 12:48 PM

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thank you

unreal oyster Jul 15, 2016, 12:48 PM

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its clear where all the effort went

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and unfortunately knee deep in zdoom feels too long-winded and key-hunty

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a lot of levels try to keep the themes of the original levels at least a little bit, but it ends up just being a key-hunting mess because of it

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in E1, you never really got the feeling that you were pointlessly keyhunting because the maps were quite small

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but the Z1 maps are fucking huge

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and the amount of detail makes it quite hard to spot a key sometimes because they dont stand out as much as they normally would

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but yeah, if you thought two years was a long dev time, go check out the adventures of square

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i think that has a >10 year dev time

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however it is a completely new game with entirely new textures, music, sounds, etc

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so it can be excused dev time wise

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i just wish e2 would come out quicker 😠

whole bobcat Jul 16, 2016, 6:06 AM

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hello

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any Snapmap gurus awake?

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I need help

dawn saffron Jul 16, 2016, 6:12 PM

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?

unreal oyster Jul 17, 2016, 2:28 PM

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anyone know why the doom community decided to use pk3 as the file extension for zipped mods?

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its never made sense to me, it just confuses everybody because it means that you can easily confuse quake 3 mods and doom mods

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why not use something like ZDZ (zdoom zip) so it doesnt confuse people

prisma saddle Jul 17, 2016, 2:41 PM

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Maybe it was because ZDZ wasn't around at the time, I dunno.

unreal oyster Jul 17, 2016, 3:01 PM

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well ZDZ isnt a format, im just saying it would have been better to call it something doom related

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because PK3 is meant for Q3 Arena mods

prisma saddle Jul 17, 2016, 3:08 PM

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Oh.

unreal oyster Jul 17, 2016, 7:43 PM

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http://i.imgur.com/X83fbAc.png

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am i in linedef hell right now?

vagrant agate Jul 17, 2016, 7:48 PM

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...

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I wish I knew something about Doom mapmaking.

unreal oyster Jul 17, 2016, 8:10 PM

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somebody in this chat made these tutorials if you want to learn

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAFg_mr5uao

YouTube

DoomTheRobot

GZDoom Builder Tutorials - #1 - Installing & Configuring

▶ Play video

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ive watched a few myself to see how good they are and they are super helpful

vagrant agate Jul 17, 2016, 8:22 PM

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Hm.

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Cool.

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Even if I knew how to build maps, I wouldn't have the creativity to do something cool lol

sharp bear Jul 17, 2016, 11:07 PM

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Woah, great timing to see my video popup, was just about to make another one 😛

restive glade Jul 18, 2016, 1:00 AM

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Jon is just churning out stuff

sharp bear Jul 18, 2016, 1:10 AM

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pretty much

molten tide Jul 18, 2016, 1:47 AM

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What you guys doing in here

unreal oyster Jul 18, 2016, 2:35 PM

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Mapping and modding

prisma saddle Jul 18, 2016, 3:58 PM

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@sharp bear Thanks for making these tutorials (even though Doom Builder principles do still apply)

sharp bear Jul 18, 2016, 5:23 PM

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Yeah, no problem, if anyone ever needs help with a simple thing or two I'm pretty sure I'll be able to help 🙂

sharp bear Jul 18, 2016, 5:45 PM

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So I decided to start working on the start of my new map, thoughts?

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📎 Screenshot_Doom_20160718_034124.png

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📎 Screenshot_Doom_20160718_034135.png

dawn saffron Jul 18, 2016, 6:21 PM

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i'd try using more than two colors 😄

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as a suggestion

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but i'm charmed by this lightning and ceilings

unreal oyster Jul 18, 2016, 6:35 PM

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is that just a ring of dynamic lighting?

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looks cool though

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also, @sharp bear how much doom mapping experience do you have?

sharp bear Jul 18, 2016, 6:38 PM

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I've been messing around with mapping for about 4-5 years now I think

unreal oyster Jul 18, 2016, 6:38 PM

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ahh okay

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yeah im quite new but so far ive been encouraged to carry on with the feedback ive been given

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i need to improve on detailing though

sharp bear Jul 18, 2016, 6:40 PM

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Yeah, detailing is probably the most time consuming as well

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But in the end it'll be worth it if done right

unreal oyster Jul 18, 2016, 6:41 PM

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yeah, i do try to improve but sometimes i just get sick of working on something and just want to move on quickly

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by the end of my map03 i seriously couldn't stand the SHAWN2 texture

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i wanted it gone

unreal oyster Jul 18, 2016, 7:03 PM

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btw @sharp bear do you know how to use vertical portals in gzdoom builder?

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specifically ones the player can go through

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i need it for a city map with an underground sewer system, so obviously 3d floors wont cut it

sharp bear Jul 18, 2016, 7:10 PM

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vertical portals? you mean something like this?

📎 dg_mapsanity_map05_edit_area_at_2016.07.18_15-09-29.821_R2680.jpg

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as the player walks through it and basically ends up on the other side, right?

unreal oyster Jul 18, 2016, 7:14 PM

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nah, i mean portals on the floor that teleport you to another sector

sharp bear Jul 18, 2016, 7:15 PM

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ahh, okay

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thats pretty easy

unreal oyster Jul 18, 2016, 7:15 PM

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the player must be able to see through them to the other sector as well

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i know its doable with sector set portal but i cant work it out

sharp bear Jul 18, 2016, 7:16 PM

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honestly, i dont really remember how being able to see through them works, but i think it has something to do with cameras or something

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but the teleportation part is easy to do

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📎 place.PNG

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Place a "actor hits floor" thing, located in the sectors actions submenu anywhere in the portal sector

unreal oyster Jul 18, 2016, 7:18 PM

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nonono thats not what i want, there is a special called "Sector Set Portal" that i want to use

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but i dont know how it works

sharp bear Jul 18, 2016, 7:19 PM

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hmm

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I've never done something like that before I don't think

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but hopefully this will help http://zdoom.org/wiki/Sector_SetPortal

Sector SetPortal

unreal oyster Jul 18, 2016, 7:19 PM

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i have read it :/

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i can get a seethrough portal, but not one that allows actors through

sharp bear Jul 18, 2016, 7:22 PM

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well thats where the "actor hits floor" thingy comes in, just place that in that sector, and then assign an action to that allowing a silent teleport, then just make the teleport destination from the ceiling of that sector, and to go back up just do vise versa

unreal oyster Jul 18, 2016, 7:23 PM

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thats a hacky way to do it, but there is supposed to be an actual good way to do it :/

sharp bear Jul 18, 2016, 7:23 PM

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yeah sadly thats the only way i think i know how to do it

unreal oyster Jul 18, 2016, 7:23 PM

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using the interactive portal type

unreal oyster Jul 18, 2016, 7:39 PM

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https://vid.me/4SdB

Vid.me

vidme

2016-07-18 20-34-22

Vidme is the simplest way to upload and share videos, no signup required.

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this is the best thing ive been able to do with portals so far

dawn saffron Jul 18, 2016, 7:45 PM

#

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYI9LFP0K6U

YouTube

jewalky

ZDoom linedef Portals demo (alpha)

▶ Play video

unreal oyster Jul 18, 2016, 7:45 PM

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yep exactly lol

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hey, i wasnt pretending it was an original idea 😛

dawn saffron Jul 18, 2016, 7:45 PM

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this breaks my mind

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nah, i get it

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just continuing the conversation :"D

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my mind can't keep up

unreal oyster Jul 18, 2016, 7:52 PM

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yeah lol its weird

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once youve played antichamber thats nothing though lol

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i might use that concept as the super secret level in my maps though

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hopefully its not a dev-version-only feature when im done

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ahh, i see the problem that i was having with vertical portals, they are a dev-version only feature as well facepalm

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well, now i have to make a decision, do i only support the dev builds or do i support release builds and lose some features?

sharp bear Jul 18, 2016, 8:12 PM

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Honestly, go for the dev builds, unless they can cause problems running with other users

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just make sure you say that the map requires this and that

unreal oyster Jul 18, 2016, 8:13 PM

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yeah, i think i will

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im not going to stifle my creativity for a larger playerbase, because if i cared about that id be mapping for doom format lol

dawn saffron Jul 18, 2016, 8:14 PM

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why not both?

unreal oyster Jul 18, 2016, 8:14 PM

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wha?

dawn saffron Jul 18, 2016, 8:14 PM

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why not make two versions with minimal differences?

unreal oyster Jul 18, 2016, 8:15 PM

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because one of my maps is going to completely rely on a feature

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and id have to split it into two maps rather than just telling people to go download a dev build

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even with the dev builds though im getting nowhere on these portals :/

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got them working, they are just ridiculously specific

unreal oyster Jul 18, 2016, 9:24 PM

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but now i can continue working on my city-with-a-sewer-system underneath map

unreal oyster Jul 19, 2016, 2:19 PM

#

📎 unknown.png

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im in linedef hell again

prisma saddle Jul 19, 2016, 2:54 PM

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It's more painful with 3D stuff, trust me.

unreal oyster Jul 19, 2016, 2:54 PM

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of course it is

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thats one of the reasons i dont do 3d level editing

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it is too complicated for me right now

unreal oyster Jul 19, 2016, 3:52 PM

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http://i.imgur.com/vZnRmx4.png

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how the fuck did this happen?

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my map04 is currently like 30 seconds long

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how is it already 345kb?

sharp bear Jul 19, 2016, 3:53 PM

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I think it depends on which map format you use

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UDMF uses up a lot of space if I remember

unreal oyster Jul 19, 2016, 3:55 PM

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they are the same format though lol

haughty flower Jul 19, 2016, 5:07 PM

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https://vine.co/v/iKH2gZJ0b3U

Vine

Mick Gordon

LINEDEF

Vine by Mick Gordon

▶ Play video

vagrant agate Jul 19, 2016, 11:48 PM

#

... What?

molten tide Jul 20, 2016, 3:18 AM

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Making 3d floor in doom is confusing

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I remember someone make an island wad

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They was a spinning stairs

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There*

unreal oyster Jul 20, 2016, 6:51 AM

#

Eric I don't think zehatsu was talking about 3d floors, they were talking about actual 3d stuff like blender

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In fact that screenshot that they were replying to was a picture of a 3d floor, I just hadn't applied the sector tag yet

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I wish someone would make a plugin for GZDOOM builder that automatically built the 3d floor and the dummy sector with a few clicks

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Would help immensely

prisma saddle Jul 20, 2016, 6:53 AM

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No need to use they, I'm a guy.

unreal oyster Jul 20, 2016, 6:54 AM

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Cool, noted

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I just don't want to assume anything until I know for sure

prisma saddle Jul 20, 2016, 6:54 AM

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It's okay,

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On another note, is there a limit to the amount of poligons/linedefs you can have in a map?

molten tide Jul 20, 2016, 7:12 AM

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I do met one girl

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Saw her tits

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:9

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Doomer girl

restive glade Jul 20, 2016, 7:18 AM

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not where dances is

unreal oyster Jul 20, 2016, 7:38 AM

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there isnt a limit in UDMF no

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i mean apart from if you count ridiculously high hardcoded limits

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also there is a maximum map size of 65534*65534 because of how zdoom calculates physics

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unfortunately since the doom engine was made for 16 bit computers that is the limit, if it was made for 32 bit computers the limit would be 2147483647*2147483647 or for 64 bit 9223372036854775807*9223372036854775807

#

uggh

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remind me why summer is considered the best season again?

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its only been 30 degrees for me and i already just want to sleep through the entire thing

#

i feel sorry for you guys in america that suffer through american heat

prisma saddle Jul 20, 2016, 7:50 AM

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I'm in New Zealand, so it's winter...

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Winter is one of my favourite seasons.

unreal oyster Jul 20, 2016, 7:56 AM

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here our winters are like 10C and our summers are like 30C

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i fucking hate it

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i just realised i brought that up in #classic-doom-maps-mods

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i cant concentrate with this fucking heat

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it isnt even midday yet, its 9 am

haughty flower Jul 20, 2016, 8:25 AM

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oh dumbo me misunderstood

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sorry

prisma saddle Jul 20, 2016, 10:43 AM

#

I made a map with custom textures (sorry if they hurt your eyes)

📎 Swimmery.wad

unreal oyster Jul 20, 2016, 10:48 AM

#

zehatsu did you figure out that water color yourself? i really like it

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as a side note, its probably best not to put all your textures as flats

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because while that works fine in udmf

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i dont think older formats work that way

prisma saddle Jul 20, 2016, 10:49 AM

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I am using UDMF though.

unreal oyster Jul 20, 2016, 10:49 AM

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yea, but its a bad practice

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use the PNAMES and TEXTURE1 lump

prisma saddle Jul 20, 2016, 10:49 AM

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Okay.

unreal oyster Jul 20, 2016, 10:50 AM

#

water/ground textures are fine as flats though

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also if you are planning to use them as-is, the TX_START marker works fine

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but while it is far more convenient, you sacrifice power

#

but anyway zehatsu did you work out that water color yourself?

prisma saddle Jul 20, 2016, 10:54 AM

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Yes.

unreal oyster Jul 20, 2016, 10:54 AM

#

cool

#

do you think you could find a good color for nukage and lava?

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i need a good color for my maps because currently it is blindingly bright

prisma saddle Jul 20, 2016, 10:55 AM

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Probably.

#

I set it up as a coloured light fade though.

unreal oyster Jul 20, 2016, 10:56 AM

#

yeah that is fine

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pretty sure that is how you are supposed to do it

#

oh my god that blue color is SO MUCH better

#

thank you

prisma saddle Jul 20, 2016, 11:03 AM

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You're welcome :3

unreal oyster Jul 20, 2016, 11:08 AM

#

also i found a pretty good color for nukage (Light #00FF00 Fade #004400) but if you find a better one please tell me

unreal oyster Jul 20, 2016, 2:09 PM

#

thoughts on this weird shit?

📎 unknown.png

haughty flower Jul 20, 2016, 2:14 PM

#

reminds me of a motherboard

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and a passive CPU cooler

#

you know, it would actually be kind of crazy to be playing DOOM on one big map which is basically a huge replica of a motherboard

unreal oyster Jul 20, 2016, 2:20 PM

#

https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/m-o/mandrill

#

first level of that wad is a motherboard

#

📎 unknown.png

#

@haughty flower

#

so what you think would be crazy already exists lol

#

it is a jokewad though i think lol

#

yeah that one is pretty highly rated

prisma saddle Jul 20, 2016, 5:15 PM

#

Some Jokewads are neat, some are rubbish.

molten tide Jul 20, 2016, 6:01 PM

#

I like flying carn head :3

#

And bfg spam

unreal oyster Jul 20, 2016, 6:05 PM

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oh yeah, thats fun

whole bobcat Jul 22, 2016, 4:38 AM

#

Hey, if anyone can help with a snapmap thing Im in the general chat.

prisma saddle Jul 23, 2016, 9:36 AM

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I wish snapmap used procedural/scaleable tiles,

haughty flower Jul 23, 2016, 1:00 PM

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snapmap needs a lot of things, heh

prisma saddle Jul 28, 2016, 9:19 AM

#

One of my biggest problems with mapping is half the time I don't know what textures to use,

molten tide Jul 28, 2016, 11:52 AM

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Use standard brown color

#

Every id games use brown color

unreal oyster Jul 28, 2016, 6:33 PM

#

yea i have the same problem really

#

i dont want to use the same textures too much, y'know

#

i would put CC4-Tex into the wad but it already has a texture pack in it and i cant be bothered to merge the lumps

proper shuttle Jul 28, 2016, 8:59 PM

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FIREBLU everywhere

unreal oyster Jul 28, 2016, 8:59 PM

#

yea boy

prisma saddle Jul 29, 2016, 9:49 AM

#

I decided to make a Hydraulic press in DooM II...

📎 ZeHatsus_Hydraulic_press_wad.wad

molten tide Jul 29, 2016, 9:50 AM

#

Me on mobile and driving

molten tide Jul 29, 2016, 10:06 AM

#

You should make the player at higher place

#

The switch block the view

#

@prisma saddle @prisma saddle

haughty flower Jul 30, 2016, 10:01 AM

#

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

📎 unknown.png

#

THE LONGEST YARD

dawn saffron Jul 31, 2016, 3:47 AM

#

@unreal oyster are you working on a next map?

haughty flower Jul 31, 2016, 5:34 AM

#

How does one make a room as ugly as this less ugly? D:

📎 Screenshot_Doom_20160731_153323.png

#

segment it

#

nope

#

well youre open to help

#

(also, use anti-aliasing)

#

Segmenting it is the last thing I'm willing to do. Ruins the point of that room

#

to be honest

#

my computer isn't strong enough for that

#

hah

#

wow fail

#

ikr

#

here i am running brutal doom using the map pack with all the settings turned up and i get 60+ fps

#

oh my fucking god

#

I'm so jealous

#

full settings brutal doom for me is like

#

10fps

#

hah

#

not only that but on the official map pack

#

much bigger than normal doom maps

#

yeah I've played em

#

that's cray cray man

#

new computer too

#

it was like, 500

#

at least old doom runs for you

#

?

#

thats a good game

#

oh yeah 100% :D

#

more like

#

84

#

what are you on about

#

Old Doom is well good

#

my only regret is that I can't run nu-Doom D:

#

I've been reduced to using a gamepad for that one

#

i'm not sure if I can run it

#

It's meant to be really well optimized

#

ye

#

Guns.

📎 Screenshot_Doom_20160730_224231.png

#

the satisfaction of seeing that many guns and that much ammo in Doom never gets old

#

the weapon pickup sound makes it just that much better, too

#

was already full :(

#

rip

prisma saddle Jul 31, 2016, 5:45 AM

#

@haughty flower Eck, texture filtering,

haughty flower Jul 31, 2016, 5:45 AM

#

I use no filters (nearest mipmap) and scalex2

#

looks great

#

@prisma saddle Happy now?

📎 Screenshot_Doom_20160730_224632.png

prisma saddle Jul 31, 2016, 5:47 AM

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Yes ;3

haughty flower Jul 31, 2016, 5:48 AM

#

I stayed in unfiltered....

unreal oyster Jul 31, 2016, 9:26 AM

#

@dawn saffron yes i am but my progress on it is very slow

#

i might as well post some pictures actually

unreal oyster Jul 31, 2016, 10:36 AM

#

http://i.imgur.com/gw10xDY.png

#

http://i.imgur.com/uFGxXtd.png

#

http://i.imgur.com/O5OIvfN.png

#

http://i.imgur.com/Ewdpr55.jpg

#

there we go, some screenshots

prisma saddle Jul 31, 2016, 10:46 AM

#

Looking good,

dawn saffron Aug 1, 2016, 10:41 PM

#

DF9VJEF4

#

My new Deathmatch map

#

i worked on it the whole day today and put a lot of details there

#

if you're interested, check it out

#

and also

#

lfg if anyone's interested in playing it with me

dawn saffron Aug 2, 2016, 11:15 AM

#

anyone in here?

haughty flower Aug 2, 2016, 11:15 AM

#

Me

dawn saffron Aug 2, 2016, 11:15 AM

#

nice

haughty flower Aug 2, 2016, 11:16 AM

#

i haven't had any good sleep in 36 hours. the fuck is wrong with me

dawn saffron Aug 2, 2016, 11:16 AM

#

📎 20160802022850_1.jpg

haughty flower Aug 2, 2016, 11:16 AM

#

wait: i know.

#

your snapmap?

dawn saffron Aug 2, 2016, 11:16 AM

#

yeah

#

it has breakable things 😄

#

📎 20160802022908_1.jpg

#

📎 20160802022921_1.jpg

#

📎 20160802023156_1.jpg

#

📎 20160802022953_1.jpg

haughty flower Aug 2, 2016, 11:18 AM

#

OW MY EYES

#

FOV

dawn saffron Aug 2, 2016, 11:18 AM

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lol

#

i once did 150

haughty flower Aug 2, 2016, 11:18 AM

#

what is it

dawn saffron Aug 2, 2016, 11:18 AM

#

everything else - 130

#

📎 20160802023036_1.jpg

#

this one

#

45

haughty flower Aug 2, 2016, 11:18 AM

#

CINEMATIC

dawn saffron Aug 2, 2016, 11:19 AM

#

triggered

haughty flower Aug 2, 2016, 11:19 AM

#

I get dressed, I'm triggered

#

I check Twitter, I'm triggered

dawn saffron Aug 2, 2016, 11:19 AM

#

are you dressophobic?

#

did you have past traumatic experiences with dressing?

#

are you twitterphobic?

#

did you have past traumatic experiences with twitter?

haughty flower Aug 2, 2016, 11:20 AM

#

k

#

my main problem with "the triggering" is that it discredits and invalidates actual triggers

#

that said, it's kinda hard to evaluate

dawn saffron Aug 2, 2016, 11:21 AM

#

true fam

#

i just want friends so i imitate what other people do

haughty flower Aug 2, 2016, 11:21 AM

#

Ok

#

if you want to be my friend, imitate me

#

and annoy literally everyone

dawn saffron Aug 2, 2016, 11:22 AM

#

do i need to be gay?

haughty flower Aug 2, 2016, 11:22 AM

#

Yes. Very, very gay.

#

(and a woman)

#

also, you need to become a semi-naturally talented rapper

dawn saffron Aug 2, 2016, 11:30 AM

#

waft

#

@haughty flower

haughty flower Aug 2, 2016, 11:31 AM

#

WHAT

dawn saffron Aug 2, 2016, 11:31 AM

#

are you willing to check out this map?

haughty flower Aug 2, 2016, 11:31 AM

#

i dont have doom 4

dawn saffron Aug 2, 2016, 11:31 AM

#

ah

#

ok

#

then i wish the best and the soonest opportunity to get it

haughty flower Aug 2, 2016, 11:32 AM

#

i hope so

dawn saffron Aug 2, 2016, 11:51 AM

#

i also made a FFA version

unreal oyster Aug 3, 2016, 2:55 PM

#

well i think im going to scrap my MAP04, and start work on an entirely new 1-level pk3

#

i dont really like my MAP04 at all, and i feel i can put a lot more effort in and create a much more detailed map

#

sorry to anyone that was looking forward to it heh

dawn saffron Aug 3, 2016, 3:02 PM

#

huh

#

okay

#

did you see the screenshots?

unreal oyster Aug 3, 2016, 3:05 PM

#

yeah, they look good

#

my computer isnt stable enough to play doom 4 online unfortunately :/

dawn saffron Aug 3, 2016, 3:05 PM

#

thank you

#

ah.

unreal oyster Aug 3, 2016, 3:05 PM

#

it crashes quite regularly

dawn saffron Aug 3, 2016, 3:05 PM

#

are you upgrading any time soon?

unreal oyster Aug 3, 2016, 3:06 PM

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probably january

#

ill probably get a 1060/1070 which should last me ages

dawn saffron Aug 3, 2016, 3:06 PM

#

ah, that's good

unreal oyster Aug 3, 2016, 3:11 PM

#

about the map restarting thingy though - i've been hanging out in a few doom mapping chats/forums/streams and from what ive submitted to them, there are a lot of improvements that i can make and my MAP04 doesnt really reflect that

#

i think it was going to be my worst map out of the 4, honestly

#

there was very little height variation, i didnt like the way i had textured it and i dont want to finish it

#

and also, restarting allows me to make a pk3 using cc4-tex which is a much better texture pack than what i was previously using

dawn saffron Aug 3, 2016, 3:25 PM

#

i see

#

good luck with your new map

dawn saffron Aug 3, 2016, 4:58 PM

#

HNS4KWNU

#

i map a friend shared with me

#

it's an extremely faithful recreation e1m1 recreate

#

more

#

more faithful than anything i've seen before

ebon python Aug 10, 2016, 7:30 PM

#

S9BVGK37 is a 1v1 or 2v2 Doom battle arena I made called Abyss of Chaos. The cliff side acts as a lane that demons fight eachother on as you fight with or against your opponent. Hell modules, weapon wheel, all that new stuff.

vivid forum Aug 22, 2016, 5:36 AM

#

Is there any way to give a custominventory item a duration?

sharp bear Aug 22, 2016, 5:49 AM

#

You mean as in when you use it or when it's in your inventory?

vivid forum Aug 22, 2016, 5:50 AM

#

As soon as it's put into your inventory

molten tide Aug 22, 2016, 5:50 AM

#

You need to explain what you actually try to do

sharp bear Aug 22, 2016, 5:51 AM

#

Well, I'm guessing it would require a bit of scripting I would think, as I'm not really sure if there's some kind of Decorate flag for it or something

vivid forum Aug 22, 2016, 5:51 AM

#

I have a weapon which, when it hits the player, it gives them a custom item. If they get hit again by the same weapon while they have the item, they die. The item should go away after 90 seconds.

molten tide Aug 22, 2016, 5:51 AM

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My solution is make a 2 custom item

#

A and b

#

Item a

#

When you pickup

#

It will give 10 b item

#

Its also execute to take 10 inventory after 90 second

#

Execute script

sharp bear Aug 22, 2016, 5:53 AM

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Hm, probably in the pickup state you should have it do an acs_execute and then just have a script that does whatever needed to do,

vivid forum Aug 22, 2016, 5:54 AM

#

I'm doing the ACS_Execute, but I can't get a delay to work

sharp bear Aug 22, 2016, 5:54 AM

#

In the script?

vivid forum Aug 22, 2016, 5:55 AM

#

Yeah

molten tide Aug 22, 2016, 5:55 AM

#

Make a dummy script to see if your delay code actually works

sharp bear Aug 22, 2016, 5:55 AM

#

Are you using global ACS or is excuting within a map's script?

molten tide Aug 22, 2016, 5:55 AM

#

Delay(90)

#

print(hi)

vivid forum Aug 22, 2016, 5:56 AM

#

It's a global ACS that's called when the person hits the "pickup" part of the custominventory

#

Do I need Stop for Pickup? perhaps that's interfering?

sharp bear Aug 22, 2016, 5:57 AM

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I would think so, yeah

#

I mean if it had loop it'd probably terminate the script as it'd be running a loop

vivid forum Aug 22, 2016, 6:20 AM

#

Yeah, the delay thing prevents other parts of the same script from running right.

sharp bear Aug 22, 2016, 6:20 AM

#

Can I see the script you're working with?

vivid forum Aug 22, 2016, 6:21 AM

#

script "ZatDaze" (void) {
if(GetActorProperty(0, aprop_speed) == 0.35) {
print(s:"You were disintegrated.");
DamageThing(255);
}
else {
print(s:"You are stunned, do not get hit again or you will disintegrate.");
FadeTo (0, 0, 0, 0.5, 0.1);
SetActorVelocity(0, 0.35, 0.35, 0.35, FALSE, TRUE);
setactorproperty( 0, aprop_speed, 0.35);

}

#

the velocity thing is unnecessary

#

I had after the setactorproperty inside the else this (and it broke):
delay(3150);
setactorproperty( 0, aprop_speed, 1.00001);
FadeTo (0, 0, 0, 1, 0.1);
TakeInventory(0, "DazeMark");

#

I've kinda copied from a couple of sources, the code is currently this:
script "ZatDaze" (void) {
if(GetActorProperty(0, aprop_speed) == 0.35) {
print(s:"You were disintegrated.");
DamageThing(255);
}
else {
print(s:"You are stunned.");
FadeTo (0, 0, 0, 0.5, 0.1);
setactorproperty( 0, aprop_speed, 0.35);
}
}

#

I want to change the if statement to check for the possession of the inventory item instead of the speed, just seems cleaner

#

I also want to have the effects wear off over time

sharp bear Aug 22, 2016, 6:28 AM

#

My best guess is to replace setactor property on if with something like if(checkinventory("itemname")>0)

#

then once the player is stunned, add giveinventory of the dummy item in the else part

#

I would think you'd add another ACS_execute to probably run a delay or timer to remove that dummyitem then as well I think

#

script "ZatDaze" (void) {
    if(checkinventory("DummyItem")>0) {
        print(s:"You were disintegrated.");
        DamageThing(255);
    }
    else {
        print(s:"You are stunned.");
        FadeTo (0, 0, 0, 0.5, 0.1);
        setactorproperty( 0, aprop_speed, 0.35);
        GiveInventory("DummyItem");
       acs_execute(894, 0, 0, 0, 0); //this will run a timer or delay script for removing the item
    }
}

#

Should probably look something like that

vivid forum Aug 22, 2016, 6:33 AM

#

ACS_execute probably works better than delay

molten tide Aug 22, 2016, 6:33 AM

#

I heard u liek script

#

So I put a script in a script

#

So you can execute while you execute

sharp bear Aug 22, 2016, 6:35 AM

#

lol, but anyways yeah, i probably would've added

GiveInventory("DummyItem");
delay(ticswhatever);
TakeInvetory("DummyItem");

but I'm unsure if theres an issue with that

vivid forum Aug 22, 2016, 6:42 AM

#

Still looks like the execute won't delay right

sharp bear Aug 22, 2016, 6:44 AM

#

delay(3150); does seem like a long time

#

Should probably lower it to about 300 or 500 tics to see if it works right

vivid forum Aug 22, 2016, 6:45 AM

#

I think I have it. Now the setactorproperty(0, aprop_speed, 1) doesn't set their speed to the right speed.

sharp bear Aug 22, 2016, 6:45 AM

#

1 is the default speed I believe?

vivid forum Aug 22, 2016, 6:46 AM

#

Yeah, but it just sets their movement to none

sharp bear Aug 22, 2016, 6:47 AM

#

Oh

#

Try adding 1.0

vivid forum Aug 22, 2016, 6:48 AM

#

Works!

#

Thanks for your help!

sharp bear Aug 22, 2016, 6:49 AM

#

Np!

haughty flower Aug 23, 2016, 10:07 PM

#

this looks interesting

#

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0UXCzcNXns

YouTube

JP LeBreton

Autobiographical Architecture - announcement trailer

▶ Play video

vivid forum Aug 24, 2016, 1:06 AM

#

So, if I'm developing for zdoom/gzdoom, should I use Hi-res graphics, regular-res graphics or make two releases providing both? Are there any issues with making a 32 level wad with a lot of hi-res graphics?

proper shuttle Aug 24, 2016, 1:36 AM

#

uh, no, not really i guess?

sharp bear Aug 24, 2016, 2:17 AM

#

If you're making a doom mod/mapset that includes hi-res graphics

#

You should make two different releases, one with hi-res textures, or regular-res

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So users can save hard drive space, bandwidth, etc,.

molten tide Aug 24, 2016, 2:45 AM

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I partially disagree

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Making 2 version cost time

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Either compress your image

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Or just use low-res

unreal oyster Aug 24, 2016, 7:57 AM

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depends which format you're mapping in imo

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if it's UDMF, you might as well go full hires

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UDMF levels take up so much space anyway

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just be consistent with style