LineTapper

[verbal bramble]

when it was just autoplay only

and i still had the commit since that until you guys started working on it more and i wanted to check out how it actually plays

[ancient spruce]

yyyeah

[verbal bramble]

and as you see i dont like the concept because its hard to follow in practice

for me its like if adofai had 1 key per orb

that would be painful to play

[thin scroll]

can someone chart a spongebob episode

[novel gust]

im cooked

there are 4 issues

each one with no error message

game just crashes with no message

and idk what to do

bc idk where the errors are from, nor do i know where the bugs came from

[agile magnet]

compile with the debug flag

[novel gust]

no i have been

[agile magnet]

it tells you exactly where the game stopped working

[novel gust]

the whole time ive been working with this game

i compile with -debug

no error

no message

[agile magnet]

what's the terminal output

[novel gust]

no callstack

nothing.

thats why im strressed

[agile magnet]

you can't just not get a callstack

[novel gust]

yeah well it happened.

[agile magnet]

do you use cpp or hl

[novel gust]

cpp

[agile magnet]

huh

try using the vsc debugger

[novel gust]

ok

[coral knot]

you can

if it's a C++ error or something

i don't know the specifics

[novel gust]

my debugger doesnt work anymore

tf

nvm

its working now

shiii

guys the debugger just did nothing

the game crashed and the socket crashed along with it so likee

still no hints

WAIT

I HAVE IT

OML

wait

my playstate got rolled back

tf

i was on the wrong branch

i had to remerge

well

now i can actually test if this works

bruh

ok

good news but bad news

squares dont draw

but everything else is fine

[verbal bramble]

yeah 4 receptors

here its kinda 1

blehh

it has 2 keys cuz you need speed on streams

now imagine tight tiles with different directions and you have to read all of them in one moment

good luck hitting them

thats just bad gameplay design grr

only morons play osu mania seriously duh

anyways i realized long time ago that you guys wont move from your idea so i abandoned it

even left the thread but got pinged so it returned me back

play adofai with a unique key attached to each orb.

LT is like adofai but more straightforward

and in LT i thought its the timing game, not the undyne battle simulator

it will become a problem quickly

theres lagtrain map

i already have some experience but its still off

the concept of tight timing doesnt play well with the concept of tap directions

[agile magnet]

i have to say that i side with ral here, i also thought that linetapper was a single key game

it feels weird to think of it as not that

[verbal bramble]

really, i was excited to play the game, imagined how well it works on mobile, and then it all just got crushed cuz of directionality

again, for me adding arrows just helps with reading the gameplay, and adding forced input to those arrows discards that for me cuz now im trying my best to not mistap my keys

i tried playing split keybinds but it went even worse so im restrained to using one hand only and it cuts the speed

[novel gust]

@ancient spruce

draw call doesnt work

there is literally no other issue but the square effect not drawing

thats it

im gonna make it so you import a group

then it adds the effect to the group

bc drawing it manually doesnt work

just like all of the other times ive used the draw call

it will garenteed never work

and is a waste of time

(for me it is)

[verbal bramble]

make the approach sprite a just usual png

anyways you have unreasonably large assets so why not

[novel gust]

no

there is code to generate it at runtime

thats not the issue

its not the graphic

i can add it to a state and it draws fine

its just when i use its draw call nothing draws

[ancient spruce]

Dude which ArrowTile.hx are you using??

[ancient spruce]

You want me to remove the directional controls?

[tawdry meadow]

corecat you should totally look at #1202383067373637642 rq

[ancient spruce]

What thing should i specifically look at?

[tawdry meadow]

my post
-# 👿

(it would be funni

[novel gust]

dw about it, there was a whole debate between Ral and MKI

to sum it up, dont remove directional controls

[novel gust]

i removed ArrowTile and made it only 2 files

so its just ArrowTile.hx and SquareArrowTileEffect.hx

so im using ArrowTile.hx

[ancient spruce]

So you're not actually using my arrowtile

Lemme see your arrowtile code

[novel gust]

ima be in vc if anyone wants to join

[ancient spruce]

I'm going to rework the player code

[ancient spruce]

huuughh

[ancient spruce]

oh my god I've finally finished it ahhh

really got stuck at the movement code

new commit:

• changed controls from wasd/arrow keys to any keys
• player movement code rework
• player.hx documentation, i think
• reduced draw quads count made by particles in the main menu
• fixed profile not showing anything
• menudebugstate shift key fix
• a lot more i think i forgot

[stray hill]

changed controls from wasd/arrow keys to any keys
rip

[ancient spruce]

😔

[novel gust]

YESS

don't mind if i do

ima merge this rq

but im trying to make videos work on hl

i originally tried ffmpeg

but all libraries were either cpp, or didn't have a way to do things like modify time, volume, or any of that

im actually about to just make a goddamn wrapper

wait no

i cant do that

[novel gust]

FCKHJDSKLJF

WIIWIIWIW

I MIGHT BE ABLE TO MAKE A VIDEO LOADING LIBRARY FOR HL OPENFL

oml

no way

ill be the one

well i wouldnt say that but

ive seen no other hl video loading library

and it's so damn simple too

[tawdry meadow]

tell me

[clear scaffold]

This gives me an idea!

[novel gust]

ill make the library rq

(openfl only)

[tawdry meadow]

is it the hxvlc for HL

[novel gust]

that exists??

[tawdry meadow]

no im asking if thats what ur making

[novel gust]

nope

youll see

[tawdry meadow]

TELL ME AAAAAAAAAA

[novel gust]

lmao

[novel gust]

so like

it was a bit more

complicated

[tawdry meadow]

pf

did you get it working tho

[novel gust]

uhh

its gonna take a hot ass minute

[thin scroll]

🔥

[novel gust]

help

please

while your here

#openfl-lime message

[thin scroll]

i've never loaded a video in this modern day and age sry

[novel gust]

oh

ok

[novel gust]

@ancient spruce can you help with this

or do you not know

[ancient spruce]

I never tried loading video in ofl

[novel gust]

fuck

everytime i have an issue i make the chat dead until someone else has an issue

[ancient spruce]

awwe

[tawdry meadow]

bonk

[novel gust]

OML

guyssss

im 1/2 way of getting videos in hl

[novel gust]

guys

bad news

i got half the way there

but the second half will take an uncertain but really long amount of time

so im gonna use cpp

[coral knot]

what are you even doing

[novel gust]

videos for hl

well not anymore

[coral knot]

yeah but like how

[novel gust]

I was gonna make an html app that has commands to manage showing videos on the html

then show the html on screen

but i never researched if there was an html library

and i discovered that there wasnt

so my other option was to manually decode the mp4

[coral knot]

yeah that's a lot more complicated than just writing bindings for a video lib

(in reply to the html thing)

[novel gust]

i dont know of any hdll that loads videos

i dont even know how to load hdlls

i havent even used an ndll

[coral knot]

well yeah you'd have to write bindings yourself

[novel gust]

neither do i know how to make one

[novel gust]

no i mean the actual hdll file

[coral knot]

that gets generated from the externs

[novel gust]

tf

i can just use a regular ndll?

[coral knot]

on hashlink? no

[novel gust]

and make bindings for it?

tf

[coral knot]

wdym by make bindings for an ndll

i dont understand

[novel gust]

i dont think im understanding what your saying

[novel gust]

the hdll gets generated from what externs?

[coral knot]

so from my understanding

you write "glue code" in c that that takes care of whatever lib you want to port over to haxe and converts all the data into haxe friendly stuff

[novel gust]

i dont know c

welp

too bad so sad

[coral knot]

that glue code gets exported into a hdll

[novel gust]

cant go for that approach

[coral knot]

https://github.com/47rooks/hashlink-extension-example

it isn't too hard but it's slightly trickier than just C++ bindings

[novel gust]

...

welp

shit

i mean its a way to do it

ig this works

the best i can get ig

[verbal bramble]

you make a dll using hashlink provided types and rename it to hdll

[ancient spruce]

Atp just exclude video libraries and codes when the game is compiled to HL, HL is used for testing anyways.

[novel gust]

Ok

[verbal bramble]

evil brother of the LineTapper

no visuals cuz I fucked up this version of state manager

[novel gust]

Honestly now I'm working on it cause it's fun

I only have 2 walls ahead that I can see

1. Turning the image data into Bitmap data
2. Getting audio

Getting the frames itself is already done in the example code if the cop library I'm using

I can't find audio anywhere

[novel gust]

ofcourse.

now I have to move back like 20000 commits and repair everything

[thin scroll]

yum modcharts

[ancient spruce]

what is going on

[novel gust]

i merged

[novel gust]

NOT modcharts

shit is buggy asf

trying to tape it up for shipping

its contens keep pouring uncontrollably

a time traveler, it seems

is the only way to fix this

hold on gimmie a second I started listening to my mix on youtube shit is ASS fr

OML

I FIXED IT

HOW

[novel gust]

made a pr that isnt broken

a lot of the code integrity was lost however

so you can recover that when merging

and if you merge and It's broken, just know it isn't my fault

bc I tested this

the only bug was with your new movement system not accounting for when you hit a tile early and the player would lag back for a few frames

thats the only bug

and its a small one

oh yeah and that sometimes the pfp wouldnt load when booting up the game

thats the only bugs

anyway

with that said

good luck

Ill also make a native.hdll soon so If you compile to hl you still get native cpp windows functions

[ancient spruce]

damn bro a lot of the files that i've changed / made will get removed in your pr

[ancient spruce]

that worked normally for me

[novel gust]

thats why i said sometimes

lol

[novel gust]

thats what i was saying, the code integrity is a lot worse

man this sucks

[tawdry meadow]

steals the game concept

[novel gust]

merges are just ass bro

[novel gust]

cause shit like this happens

and code integrity gets worse

losing the other persons work bc things are breaking

and you need to revert to your working version

[ancient spruce]

i love linetapper

the offset is ass in lt

oh my god

[ancient spruce]

nvm i'll just continue fixing this later

[novel gust]

LMFAO

[verbal bramble]

whats happenin :sob

[novel gust]

...

ive waited 10 days

on you

because I was waiting till you did the pr before i kept working

but at this rate it's almost half way through october

so ima just start working on my fork regardless

[novel gust]

oml
-# My text is so small

-# Im addicted

also Core do you have a todo list

if so, send it

if not, make on up

[ancient spruce]

sorry

i just can't focus on working in a single project

also i'm still thinking about merging your pr

[cinder olive]

CREDITSSSS I love credits

[novel gust]

Uhh

So like is this discontinued

Cause I've been working on ltpl and lt has had 0 commits since the pr

Fun fact

Me and my friend remade the conductor-based movement system

Cause there was a bug where if you hit a tile early then you would move diagonally to the next tile

But the new system fixed it

I did a lot more things too

Like the loading screen actually loads in something now

And I added a loading bar

Now I'm working on an asset folder structure rework

And then themes

Then the song selection menu

That's the plan for ltpl, idk abt lt tho

[ancient spruce]

no it's not discontinued

[ancient spruce]

Sorry for the inactivity :']

I made an update to the Map file, here's how it looks like right now

tiles are no longer forced to steps, but instead it uses miliseconds time now.

data will be used for game stuffs, such as what version of linetapper does it made on, and it's api level

apiLevel will be used for scripts and backward compability stuffs.

meta contains stuff like Artist, Charter, etc. This can be modified by the player later on the map / level editor.

name will be used as a display name for the song in-game. Let's say the song's name is "Lagtrain", but the name field in the level / map file is "Lagtrain (Remix)"

I might also add difficulty specific audios / song tracks if this is getting added 😺

[verbal bramble]

i thought it would be all charter dependent

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1098155925191270491.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=kaboom

[ancient spruce]

"Charter dependent"?

[verbal bramble]

stuff is ugc

like osu and adofai customs

[ancient spruce]

I was going to add official tracks / songs 🧍‍♂️

[verbal bramble]

bwaq

[ancient spruce]

So yeah

🐈

[verbal bramble]

bundle them in like osu does, force the player to autodownload them

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1152361608220250112.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=mintySpin

discord forgot that gifs should play, brah

now this tiny gif is stuck

[ancient spruce]

Smol

[untold maple]

yo

[ancient spruce]

Working on the transition rn wawa

[delicate fox]

Color changed!

[novel gust]

Intresting

I had worked on the chart format a bit myself.

Tbh the step-millisecond system is something I'll need to port over

Along with the metadata and name of the song, and I would like to reorganize the way tiles are organized to make it match yours

Honestly I find it interesting the way that our codebases are so different

[ancient spruce]

That map file is still not final and will be changed during development so uhhh

[novel gust]

You have LineTapper, I have LineTapper: Project Lunar

[ancient spruce]

Stuff will change till i feel like it's fitting

[novel gust]

Yeah, I have a version system

[novel gust]

But I find this dynamic intresting

[ancient spruce]

LT

[novel gust]

LTPL

[novel gust]

Same

I added a system for map bgs

Which has video support

Not for hashlink yet though

So I need to make ffmpeg externs

Which I've been dreading

It's a huge task for someone with very little c/c++ experience

[ancient spruce]

If i were you i'll just disable video support for HL target

Since i myself only use HL for quick tests and not release builds

[novel gust]

I would like to compile I guess release builds could be cpp

Anyway, anything changed visually for lt?

Cause rn I'm working on themes

[ancient spruce]

I'm planning to remake the intro, since i think the intro can be better

[novel gust]

I see

[ancient spruce]

But for now, i'm reworking the game's backend

A lot of the codes are just eugh

[novel gust]

Oh, I see

Also

[novel gust]

Did you fix this bug

[ancient spruce]

Yeah

[novel gust]

How did you do it?

[ancient spruce]

The bug happend because it could not found the next tile after previously hit tile iirc

Idk it was fixed a month ago 🤷‍♂️

[novel gust]

Lmao

[novel gust]

But yeah

This was why

So I had to redo the way it would find tiles and blah blah blah it's really boring

Just glad I solved it

[ancient spruce]

Oh, alright

[verbal bramble]

well i just have gameplay ready but im suffering with bezier paths

[ancient spruce]

🐈

I just made a gamebreaking changes 🔥

[novel gust]

WOAH

Bezier..?

[thin scroll]

gamebreaker port? /j

[ancient spruce]

Alright, based on the poll, i'll add difficulties to LineTapper, thank you for voting! 😺

[novel gust]

now I have to add difficulties lmao

[ancient spruce]

LT Update ➡️

LineTapper's overall gameplay system is currently being reworked as the Map / Level files are no longer uses fixed step values.

And also every gameplay logics won't be placed directly inside PlayState, but instead on a Stage object (For now, it's called GameplayStage), Stage Object contains the player itself, and arrow tiles.

[thin scroll]

Woah.

[ancient spruce]

The stage object itself can be reused for the Level Editor (when lt have one lol)

[thin scroll]

Honestly if there ever is a level editor, having some Mario Maker influence would be cool.

-# LIke yes, I would like to stomp Goombas as I play the game for extra points, yes, yes I would.

[ancient spruce]

There will be a level editor

[thin scroll]

[ancient spruce]

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

[untold maple]

2, U

[novel gust]

I'm cooked 💀

I have to port that all to ltpl

[ancient spruce]

The current PlayState.hx is kinda messy and there's no tile spawning system

[novel gust]

💀💀💀

I just added support for themes and custom menu scripts

But I'm reworking hscript

[ancient spruce]

I mean you could stick with your current PlayState

[novel gust]

Cause you can't do FlxTypedGroup<FlxCamera>

[ancient spruce]

Wait why would you want that

[novel gust]

No I was planning to rewrite it

But just not so soon

[novel gust]

It was random

You could use FlxSprite instead

But currently it doesn't support the <>

So now I'm using SScript

Which greatly reduces the size of Script.hx

[ancient spruce]

I'm planning to use HScript Improved by CNE Devs

[novel gust]

Wait what

[ancient spruce]

Cause it already have import blacklists and stuff

[novel gust]

CNE made a hscript fork??

[novel gust]

I need to use that now

Thanks for informing me

Now I need to rewrite my HScript again

[ancient spruce]

You didn't know that?

[novel gust]

No

But it makes sense now that I think about it

[novel gust]

But yeah I'm working on themes with custom menu scripts and ini files

And I also made the loading screen load stuff plus it has a loading bar now

[ancient spruce]

Alrighty

I'm planning to rework LT

Since i got the transitions working, i think it'll be nice to have the loading screen placed when the game is transitioning

[novel gust]

Transitions?

Ooh can I see

[ancient spruce]

I haven't turned on my pc yet :')

I'm preparing for school

Maybe later when i'm in school

[novel gust]

Bro tf is your timezone

It's 4:33 pm and I'm coming back from school on the bus rn

[novel gust]

The hell

Your in school you can't get in your pc

You're in a different building

[ancient spruce]

I have my laptop with me later

[novel gust]

How??

Do your bring your laptop to school or smth?

[ancient spruce]

Yeah

[novel gust]

How tf..

[ancient spruce]

It's 4:34am for me

[novel gust]

Oh

Your 12 hours away

[novel gust]

Is it the 19th for you

[novel gust]

Waiwaiwait what

When are you able to get on your laptop?

The only place I can think of getting that much free time is in lunch or smth

[ancient spruce]

Yeah

[novel gust]

Your 12 hours ahead

I see

[ancient spruce]

When i'm in my class

Dw i'll post the video later

[novel gust]

THE FUCK

[ancient spruce]

Whatt

[novel gust]

You're supposed to be focusing on class and what the teacher is saying, not coding a silly game in your laptop

Am I missing something..?

[ancient spruce]

They allow it as long we don't make too much noises

[novel gust]

You're so fking lucky..

I would get suspended for that shit

[ancient spruce]

Oof

I mean pretty sure they allow it because i'm on the software development division class but who knows

[novel gust]

Interesting.

I wish I could get on my laptop mid-class and work on ltpl

Anyways

[novel gust]

Loading screen mid-transition..

I have a concept for it in my head

That would go hard asf

W idea

I also reworked the whole ass asset system

Now there is a maps folder, a data folder, and a themes folder instead of an assets folder

Cause assets are in the theme now

[ancient spruce]

Transition thingy

[tawdry meadow]

What desktop environment is that

[ancient spruce]

GNOME

[tawdry meadow]

Real

[novel gust]

why

[ancient spruce]

Eh that doesnt matter

[novel gust]

change it to windows or hashlink or else

or elsee uhh

theuhh

the haxe bot will murder you

[tawdry meadow]

@delicate fox

[novel gust]

💀

When I get home, I'll need to get cne's HScript in and then rearrange playstate into like playstate

A folder

With all of the elements

[novel gust]

I've been taking a small break from ltpl

When I return though I'll get HScript back up and running and I'll get a start on the song select screen

I know I won't finish it before I get burned out again, but at least it'll be something

[ancient spruce]

LT Update: Hold Tiles ➡️

Hold tiles will be added to LineTapper.

The hold tiles will have "release" tiles, which means when the player is about to reach the tile's end, the player is required to release the pressed key on time

[ancient spruce]

...lol

(it's not the hold tile preview, not yet :'])

[ancient spruce]

on second thought, how can i render the hold tile body

🤔 mmmm i'll figure this out later

i mean i can just use a 1x1 sprite then scale it but ehhh i'll think about it later

wait is it posible to use triangle rendering

or that'll slow down the game?

[verbal bramble]

yea but u gotta keep in mind its deoptimization cuz you break up the batching if you make it render between the same sprites

[ancient spruce]

😔

alrighty then

[verbal bramble]

or it might be the case with all sprites

anyways if you dont plan on adding beziers just make a 1px graphic and stretch it between 2 connecting tiles

[ancient spruce]

i do have an idea of making the hold tiles bendable by making points for the hold tile but i guess i'll just use a straight line for now

[verbal bramble]

if you do plan however, you'd need triangle mesh instead

which is override function drawComplex(camera)

and camera.drawTriangles(...)

[ancient spruce]

working on triangle meshes are

horror

[verbal bramble]

yes, if you need to rotate them its a whole damn horror movie

and you do need to rotate them in this case cuz it follows the path

[ancient spruce]

the player object also needs to get rotated

[verbal bramble]

not in my case x3c

hehe

[ancient spruce]

i have this stupid idea where i could just make bunch of 1x1 sprites based of the hold tile point counts then stretch it for each points

[verbal bramble]

i just thought it wouldnt look nice cuz the tiles are 4-sided and having more sides is ehh

[ancient spruce]

then use shaders to make it looks bendable

[ancient spruce]

8 sides

LineTapper but 3D

[verbal bramble]

that would be 6

[ancient spruce]

oh rigth

[verbal bramble]

2 planes for each dimension

[novel gust]

Shiit.

[verbal bramble]

left right
up down
closer further
depth x2

[novel gust]

Now I have to make hold tiles

I'm so cooked

[novel gust]

Did I write that?

[ancient spruce]

nah

[novel gust]

Holy shit no I'm actually confused

[ancient spruce]

lol it's a joke

[novel gust]

Oh

That scared me

[ancient spruce]

nahh bro we good

[novel gust]

👍

Mmg

Speaking of holds

Will it be a straight line

Or a curve

Cause if it's a curve then likeeee

[verbal bramble]

then yeah we're pretty much furked

[novel gust]

It's gonna be reeeeealy hard

[ancient spruce]

maybe just a straight line 😭

[novel gust]

Yeah

[ancient spruce]

can't get myself working on trianngle rendering again

it's horror

[novel gust]

Will it go diagonally

Or only left right up down

[verbal bramble]

for a straignt line its a simple math

[novel gust]

Yeah

Well I think I'll prob just use a graphic

It's much simpler then a mesh

[verbal bramble]

simple though it involves sin and cos i think

[novel gust]

The fuck

[verbal bramble]

actually

nvm

you just get the angle using Math.atan2

[novel gust]

Personally I would just have 2 tiles, get the top right of the release tile, then from a point that's slightly lower, make a graphic the width of the distance between the starting point and the first tile

Bang

Hold line done with 0 math

Well width or height depending on direction

But my idea is simple on paper and should be simple in code

So I'll get to work on it when I get on my laptop in like 20 mins

[ancient spruce]

hold idk

might change soon when i found a better design

[verbal bramble]

and then you have to add padding and rotation if its a thin line

[novel gust]

Huh

Padding?

[novel gust]

Mmh

[ancient spruce]

smalller

[agile magnet]

ooo me like

[verbal bramble]

if you draw this and the tile has position thats not in line

then you'd have to use math to line it up :3

[verbal bramble]

a shader that adds floating arrows would look nice on it

[ancient spruce]

Like

🟦 ===<===<===⬅️

?

[verbal bramble]

ye

[ancient spruce]

I might add that on each beats :3

if i think about it, LT is heavy on the draw calls

though it's all fine on update calls

[verbal bramble]

not reallyyy

if you have ordered everything correctly you might end up with the same amount of draw quads as unique objects

rn in my game theres 4 objects
player, tile, tile approach and finish tile

[tawdry meadow]

⬆️

[verbal bramble]

and i have no issues with rendering the whole lagtrain chart you made cuz most of the tiles are offscreen anyways

and also their alpha is set to 0 until its the time

[ancient spruce]

It still updates every tiles that are offscreen though

[verbal bramble]

yeah but heres the magic i did actually

[ancient spruce]

twiddling my fingers

[ancient spruce]

What's i > 9 used for

[verbal bramble]

so it doesnt iterate much

[ancient spruce]

Ahh, i see

[verbal bramble]

its an array of all the tiles after all

[verbal bramble]

brah how tf the player sprite is smooth,,,

[ancient spruce]

Wdym smooth?

It's just flxsprite

[verbal bramble]

mine is conductor based and the movement is jittery

[ancient spruce]

is your conductor time uses FlxSound music time?

[verbal bramble]

mm yea

[ancient spruce]

Oh my what is that

This is all i did

[verbal bramble]

weirds

does it get offsync often?

[ancient spruce]

Mine?

Nope

I mean it does offsync only if i unfocused the window

Wait i'mma try a thing

[verbal bramble]

time to add another compilation condition

i wondered why it takes so long to compile and i only just noticed i compile cpp instead

[ancient spruce]

LOL

[verbal bramble]

i mean it is a bit faster since i got a better cpu but man its still 40+ sec

hl compiles in under 10 now though

[tawdry meadow]

hl my beloved and be-hated

[verbal bramble]

i think i broke something

ohh right sys.time in hl is rounded up,,,

[tawdry meadow]

its what

[ancient spruce]

Ain't no way.

[verbal bramble]

anyways for some reason player either stands in place and gets resynced
or goes mega fast

[novel gust]

i just got back

wth

[stray hill]

this will be horrible to read when you go back and forth

i would personally move to something like this

personally I think you could do it each beat

BUT

You need to be careful about overlap

easiest way to do this is to fade-out arrows after a beat has played

else you'd get sum like this

[verbal bramble]

yeah for that you would want flight curves

[ancient spruce]

For me, thin lines as a hold tile might be harder to read, but yeah i might also add the arrows pointing to the hold's duration

LT update
https://x.com/core5570r/status/1861085206809289005?t=bJ7aj0HH1er7Lo74fP-HZQ&s=19

CoreCat (@core5570r) on X

LineTapper DevLog!

I kinda reworked the way tile objects work, and also it's painful to do so :')
Added state transitions, added more UI elements, overall improving the inputs and much more (me forgot)

#gamedev #rhythm #rhythmgame #haxeflixel #indiegame @linetapper

Twitter · Nov 25, 2024, 4:31 PM

[coral knot]

i really love the art style here

[ancient spruce]

hold tiles 😭

[ancient spruce]

Aaand now it's showing this random line thing

[leaden raft]

accidental cytus

[ancient spruce]

LOLL

[untold maple]

i think flixel hates you

[ancient spruce]

For some reason setGraphicSize doesn't behave as how it supposed to be

Rewriting it to just scale modifications worked

Currently fixing the UP & DOWN hold tiles

Positioning the hold tiles is just ugh

Finally got the positioning correct

[tawdry meadow]

Nice

[novel gust]

Well now today I'll be working on hold tiles

Cause yesterday I was busy

(I'm so cooked )

I also think I'll do an editor after the hold tiles

[ancient spruce]

Oookay i'mma retry that i guess

[showcase] Hold Tiles are now added to LineTapper!

ok it no work

[tawdry meadow]

@quaint ferry imp

[quaint ferry]

hmmm

something crashed hbot :o

[tawdry meadow]

i ate a wire

troll emoji

[quaint ferry]

weird error

[agile magnet]

"Killed"

[quaint ferry]

i didn't write that

[agile magnet]

this is why you write descriptive error throwing people

[tawdry meadow]

linetapper was too powerful for haxebot

[quaint ferry]

@ancient spruce can you try again

[quaint ferry]

it heard the beeps and turned itself off

[ancient spruce]

Someone killed haxebot?

[ancient spruce]

Alright

[quaint ferry]

yo those sliders are cool

[ancient spruce]

Thank you

[showcase] Hold Tiles are now added to LineTapper!

[tawdry meadow]

haxebot didnt implode this time

[ancient spruce]

:0 it wok

*work

[quaint ferry]

weird

no mention of "killed" in my source

[ancient spruce]

Is it randomly throws "killed" message before it dies?

Kinda funny

[quaint ferry]

or my libs, so must be something from discord or cobalt

[ancient spruce]

Ahh, i see

[agile magnet]

may i suggest something

maybe lower the effects on already hit tiles?

because this seems kinda hard to read X)

[tawdry meadow]

:3

[ancient spruce]

It was the map's problem, but yeah i do agree it's hard to read

I'll tweak some of the anims

[agile magnet]

everything else is REALLY good though

[quaint ferry]

when there's lots of overlapping notes i agree

[agile magnet]

love how quickly youre making progress on this

[tawdry meadow]

increase note distance...

[quaint ferry]

maybe a solution is to use some kind of fading for the latest notes

darker the square represents the latest note to be hit

[ancient spruce]

So kinda lower the opacity?

[quaint ferry]

yeah

might be worth colour matching to the notes as well

[ancient spruce]

Aighty

[ancient spruce]

By default one step is 50 pixels, which also the tile and player's size

On second thought i might start working on the level / map editor concept

Prolly after i made the hold tiles fully functional

Cuz' i hate playing auto generated maps (it's directions are really just Std.int(Math.random()*4))

[novel gust]

hey wait

how do you make test maps

[quaint ferry]

message above 😂

[novel gust]

😭

makes sense

[ancient spruce]

I used fnf's charts then convert it to lt

[novel gust]

oh

ok

[ancient spruce]

level editor thing - layout

[novel gust]

Damn you're working fast today

I can't keep upp

[ancient spruce]

Idk life is kinda boring rn

[novel gust]

Help

[ancient spruce]

I just need something to distract me from reality

Anyways

[novel gust]

same

i just have a lot more projects than lt to work on

[ancient spruce]

Same ✌️

[ancient spruce]

The > is used to show how many beats have passed based of the distance between previous tile and the dummy tile (the one under the mouse)

The dummy tile will also colored based on steps (just like in the gameplay)

[novel gust]

ohh

im prob gonna yoink that code for the level editor btw if you're ok with that

if not then ill make my own

[ancient spruce]

"yoink that code"? What's that

(i have low english understanding sorry)

[novel gust]

i mean like im gonna take the code for your level editor if you're okay with it

[untold maple]

i think yoinking means taking something? (idk)

[novel gust]

yeah

it does

it's really informal though

[ancient spruce]

Oh, taking my level editor code?

[novel gust]

yeah, but only if you're fine with it

[ancient spruce]

Ahhh i need to learn those words

I mean it's okay though

[novel gust]

alright

[ancient spruce]

It's still LT anyways:3

[novel gust]

yep :D

i just did a big folder rework btw

for the source code

it's all reorginized cause the way it was before didn't make too much sense

shit

it just got stuck loading

Uncaught exception: Access violation
Called from sys.thread._Thread.$HaxeThread.~create.0(C:\HaxeToolkit\haxe\std/hl/_std/sys/thread/Thread.hx:158)

im so cooked

[ancient spruce]

Thread

[novel gust]

wtf is that error

OHHHH

ok so apparently it caught an error inside of the thread

now I need to try/catch in the thread

[ancient spruce]

I always try->catch threads

[novel gust]

i never needed to

this is a first for me

[ancient spruce]

Threads are unsafe iirc so it's better use try catches

I might be wrong so 🤷‍♂️

I have reworked the input code, the input now feels much better (legit this time)

Offsets are now should be working

[novel gust]

now I need to port that

[novel gust]

and that

and holds

😭

[ancient spruce]

Holds are hell

Well not really

Maybe it's just my way of doing it

I have a sprite with 1x200 dimension :')

Used by holds

[ancient spruce]

Offsets are basically done by shifting the tile's time

[novel gust]

i don't have a ms tile system yet though

[ancient spruce]

Offsets are now working properly after i changed the time system from steps to ms

[novel gust]

yeah

I've mainly been doing frontend work

[ancient spruce]

You could make the tile steps to float

[novel gust]

intresting idea

[ancient spruce]

Float the step

Floating while stepping

Stepped on a float

[novel gust]

💀

i got the error

Can't cast lime.app.Future to openfl.display.BitmapData

hm

ok now i'm able to see the stack

[ancient spruce]

Why do you

Cast future to BitmapData

[novel gust]

i dont

im very confused

idk where i even imported Future

idek what Future is

OOOOOH

ok i fixed it

also now the profile image is garunteed to load now

[tawdry meadow]

Nope

You just gotta use em right

[novel gust]

💀

OOOH

4th try is a bit promising

dynamic hold renderer 1/4 done

i just need multidirectional support

[ancient spruce]

How do you make the hold body?

[novel gust]

like the transparent part?

[ancient spruce]

Entirety of it i guess

[novel gust]

ok before I show the code, just know that this will be optimized, and that it isn't final so don't be grossed out cause i'm grossed out myself

var holdMid = new FlxSprite(spr1.x + spr1.width, spr1.y + (spr1.height * (1.5/8)));
holdMid.makeGraphic(Std.int(spr2.x - holdMid.x), Std.int((spr1.height * (4.5/8))));
holdMid.alpha = 0.3;
add(holdMid);
var holdTop = new FlxSprite(spr1.x + spr1.width, spr1.y + (spr1.height * (1.5/8)));
holdTop.makeGraphic(Std.int(spr2.x - holdTop.x), Std.int((spr1.height * (0.5/8))));
add(holdTop);
var holdBot = new FlxSprite(spr1.x + spr1.width, spr1.y + (spr1.height * (6/8)));
holdBot.makeGraphic(Std.int(spr2.x - holdBot.x), Std.int((spr1.height * (0.5/8))));
add(holdBot);

[ancient spruce]

Oh, you're using a group?

[novel gust]

well rn I''m just on rendering, it will be changed to a single sprite when i finish the rendering math itself

[ancient spruce]

Oh

[novel gust]

this looks the same but the sprites are in reverse

now just up and down

[agile magnet]

wouldnt it be better to just modify the pixels of the middle section

[novel gust]

wdym

[agile magnet]

oh nvm i didnt see the rest of the convo

[novel gust]

oh

ok

[agile magnet]

have the middle section be one sprite, then make the pixels on the top and bottom white

[tawdry meadow]

Or create a 1xheight sprite n scale it

[agile magnet]

instead of making 2 new sprites

[novel gust]

that's what core did

[novel gust]

what i was gonna do

was make it 1 sprite

and draw rects on it

so instead of 3 it's 1

[novel gust]

wtf

my graphic gets cut off

like if i put it high enough it will just cut off in a certain point

[coral knot]

Put what high enough

[novel gust]

the hold

here look

[coral knot]

Like the width/height?

[novel gust]

no like when I move a tall graphic high enough

the x and y

[coral knot]

Ah

[novel gust]

let me show screenshots

the transparent box is the graphic btw

thats how its supposed to be

then let me show you when I move it up

it cuts off

I don't even have a cliprect

idk why

OHHH

WAIT

ok i fixed it

[novel gust]

i finished hold rendering

after like 3 hours

of pain and suffering

now I need to add it in-game

@ancient spruce can i have the graphic for the hold end tile

[novel gust]

i quit

ok now hold rendering is done

this is diagonal

it wasn't intended to be seen, so it's broken

im not gonna fix it though

now i can add it in-game

[agile magnet]

why diagonal exactly?

[novel gust]

i was just seeing what it would look like cause i was curious

[agile magnet]

fair enough

[novel gust]

it's not gonna be used

[novel gust]

no

i meant like

the arrow tile with the square

[novel gust]

i already did hold rendering

[novel gust]

.

[ancient spruce]

Ouh

Stuff might change

[novel gust]

now gimmie the regular arrow tile

[ancient spruce]

Huh

The one you used is the same as mine

[novel gust]

ooh

[novel gust]

oh

ok

[ancient spruce]

Dummy Tile

[novel gust]

what was the glow sprite behind the player

[ancient spruce]

Huh

[novel gust]

like

when you hold a note

there is a glow behind the player

also how does hold note input work

[ancient spruce]

I used the same method in my fnf engine for it

[novel gust]

which was?

[ancient spruce]

Hold range

[novel gust]

explain

[ancient spruce]

If the player is inside hold range (tile.time+tile.length) and also held any key, count that as perfect tile hold

[novel gust]

tile.time..?

is that like

an ms?

[ancient spruce]

If the player released any key inside the hold range, then count that as bad tile hold & miss

[ancient spruce]

Yeah

[novel gust]

oooh

i dont use ms

i use steps

what would i do

[ancient spruce]

You could use it too

Just make sure the length is also in steps

[novel gust]

so if conductor.time is within tile.step+tile.length

but 1. how would i check within

2. how would i check the length of a tile

would i do endTile.step - tile.step?

[ancient spruce]

tile.length?

[novel gust]

no but

[ancient spruce]

Or what

[novel gust]

i dont have a length system

i basically do like if a tile is an end tile

then spawn a hold note between the previous tile and this tile

there isnt really a length

[ancient spruce]

Yyyeah that could work

[novel gust]

ok

so another

another question

how would i detect if the step is between length

[ancient spruce]

Just

Uhh

[tawdry meadow]

hai

[novel gust]

hi cobalt

[ancient spruce]

conduct.step > tile.step && conduct.step < lastTile.step + (nextTile.step-lastTile.step)

[novel gust]

thanks

[ancient spruce]

Hello cobalt

[tawdry meadow]

[verbal bramble]

you don't have stepToMS(float)?

[novel gust]

idk

oh wait i have Conductor.instance.step_ms

so step * step_ms i think

[ancient spruce]

Testing stuff

I wonder how can i autormatically assign directions

because like

This is a very stupid code

[novel gust]

i had to like

do smth similar

for the holds

[novel gust]

how did you get last tile

i just tried a few different things and none of them worked

[ancient spruce]

Last tile is a tile before the next tile

Wait hold on

[novel gust]

ik that

but how do i get it

[ancient spruce]

conduct.step > lastTile.step && conduct.step < lastTile.step + (nextTile.step-lastTile.step)

Last tile is the tile that have length value

[novel gust]

?

explain

i dont get it

nvm i got it

ohohoh

damn it.

the whole game just broke down

only in haxe

you do something and finally find the issuse, then out of nowhere the whole state stops working

like tiles dont die anymore, and hit detection stopped working

SFFFFF

HOW IS ONE LINE OF CODE BREAKING THE WHOLE STATE

IM SO DONNNNNEE

[ancient spruce]

Welcome to

[novel gust]

var lastTile:TileData = tileDatas[ArrowTile.indexOf(ArrowTile.toTileData(nextTile), tileDatas) - 1];

why does that break the game

i took a break for 5 hours

and can't figure it out

[verbal bramble]

what

did you overcomplicate things so much you can't fix it

[novel gust]

i fixed it

[novel gust]

I wanna see if i can get cliprects

[novel gust]

mm

[thin scroll]

retweet to scare linetapper fans (corner tiles)

[novel gust]

AAAAA

CORNER TILES

[ancient spruce]

This might be possible....

[novel gust]

with my systems it would be soooo hard

its deeply built with directionals in mind

[ancient spruce]

Well the reworked one is also would be hard to change

The directions are locked to 4 directions

Left down up right

[tawdry meadow]

taps your line

[novel gust]

yeah

im just so fking mad

[ancient spruce]

Although, if i were to replace the enums with angles, this is possible

The systems might need to be reworked, though

[ancient spruce]

Hi cobalt

[novel gust]

i need it so that a tiles alpha is based on the next tiles alpha, but i still need the current tile to fade in at the correct time, but fade out with the next tile

how would i do that

ive been trying for 30 mins bro...

[tawdry meadow]

instead of [] [] []

make it [] -> [] | | [] | | []

then make it go clockwise

[tawdry meadow]

hiii

[novel gust]

how do these feel to play

like do you have to release at the right time

[leaden raft]

i always prefer the ones where you don't need to release at a certain time