💀 Cortex Engine

[clear dome]

Honestly, SDL is amazing already, I’m glad it exists

[ionic badger]

yeah

and running sdl3 is even cooler

[clear dome]

So far I didn’t have any issue related to building SDL3 separately from Haxe btw, it just works. This dpi issue is more about using the correct SDL api

[void condor]

it's always a shitshow

@ionic badger double and tripple checked, running a 4k display @ 1080 and it's all fine

[molten sleet]

I think i have the niche-iest setup here
Wayfire on Arch with integrated Intel Xe Graphics

[ionic badger]

with 125% scaling?

[void condor]

100%

[ionic badger]

maybe try with the scaling, linux seems to do weird things with scaling

[void condor]

that makes shit go completely haywire

but for my whole desktop

You use the experimental fractional scaling

[ionic badger]

it seems relatively okay for most use

it defo isn't correct or "how i'd like it"

but 150 is waaaay too much

[void condor]

cant really replicate here. Guess we'll have to wait till I test more configs 😄

[ionic badger]

very odd, considering we're both on mint

100% scaling is better

[void condor]

no

your desktop runs at 4k

maybe I misunderstood, but you said you run your screen resolution @ 1440 , 4k being the native resolution of the screen

[ionic badger]

when i first tested it was 1440p@125% scaling (for overwatch). Now i'm "back to" my normal day-day resolution of 4k@125% scaling

screenshot above is testing 4k@100% scaling

this inspector is so damn cool

not sure if intentional, but scrolling with the mouse wheel doesn't bump the fps up

[void condor]

oh that's true

good catch

no wait

it should

[ionic badger]

It does when you're hovering over the background

but if you're over the actual scroll container, it doesn't

[void condor]

the throttling is hooked into the sdl event loop, so any mouse event should mark a frame dirty, no matter where you at in the UI

[ionic badger]

can you repro?

I've just abandoned the 125% scaling lol

and switched to 100% with text scaling to 1.3, and increased the start menu dimensions. This is way better

[void condor]

nope, pretty curious

[ionic badger]

I avoided this solution because bad history on wayland, but on x11 it literally does scale all text in all apps completely fine

[void condor]

glad you like it 😄

if you open the console (^) and run throttleMode() it disables throttling. throttleMode("low") to re-enable

[void condor]

next() will cycle between the other samples

[ionic badger]

when trying to scroll over the purple background it will raise the fps back to 120

but in the actual containers, it just raises to 60

60 is what my monitor is running at, but, the discrepency is a bit odd

[void condor]

it should run with vsync. in the project.cortex you can disable vsync

weeeeeird 😄

[ionic badger]

maybe just my system weirdness/arc driver oddness

[void condor]

I defo need more datapoints

[ionic badger]

i added this kind of throttling in my haxeui backend for ceramic

it's a nice little addition 😄

[void condor]

yeah, it was defo necessary to add it to cool down my cppia life a little

I have the app open for long sessions and just hot reload iterations, my laptop drew quite some power just having the idle app open

[molten sleet]

testing now

well thats

[void condor]

see what logo wrote

wayland is missing something

[molten sleet]

however

running with SDL_VIDEODRIVER=X11

works perfectly

my only complaint is that horizontal scrolling doesnt seem to be inverted but that might be an issue with my setup

[void condor]

ah interesting

[molten sleet]

*in the city thing/overflow: scroll

[void condor]

most of the controls are wired up and do stuff. if you click the fps graph it switches modes etc. console can be open with ^(tilde) key and using next() command cycles to the other samples/tests

[crystal grove]

@void condor in statecharts, I get a null reference error with this <Transition to="Unhappy" guard="isUnhappy" />, which seems valid. It's fixed by null checking transition.event in a certain spot I guess bc .event is null and not ""

Does that sound like a bug and PR, or user error?

Here, works if I check hasEvent instead of just length == 0

[void condor]

interesting, this definitely worked. lemme check if I missed something

[void condor]

hasEvent makes the most sense.

pushed a fix

[crystal grove]

Ok thanks, that’s why I asked bc your samples use that

[neat smelt]

It runs well and looks good, but is it supposed to react to window size changes?

when I stretch out the window, the UI stays in the corner

[void condor]

that's ok, there is no special logic in the sample to adapt to screen. You also got a 4k screen?

[neat smelt]

No, a small laptop screen 🙂
The window opened to the exact size of the UI and looks good. It's only when I resize the window that the result was maybe unexpected

[void condor]

one more thing you folks could test: opengl, change the renderer to "OpenGL" in project.cortex and see if there is a visual difference to vulkan. For me there is one, but it might have to do with my drivers and the fact, that ogl uses a different gpu on my end

[void condor]

stretches

time to work on a real endboss ui feature

[void skiff]

cortex only works on linux?

[void condor]

nope. but I dev mostly on linux

[void skiff]

Is there a build for windows? i want to test it

[void condor]

unfortunately I dont have a windows build currently

[void skiff]

:c

[void condor]

eventually there will be a windows build. just no priority atm

[void condor]

I'm gonna have the bestest text field ever

Im rewriting the sucker tomorrow 😄

[crystal grove]

I’m very curious how far down the text rabbit hole you’re going

[void condor]

heh, bgfx already includes stb_textedit.h, so I will simply plug that in. The extern is already done and mouse input works 😄

[void condor]

god I love this

[void condor]

building a textfield is like playing Counter-Strike, easy to get in, hard to master 🔥

and I love the pog moments when universes collide like this: hxcpp, imgui's stb_textedit & nanovg

[void skiff]

a b s o l u t e t r u e

[ionic badger]

It's very addicting though, adding stuff to ceramic's textarea makes it feel so nice to use

[void condor]

yep. it's highly interactive and needs to feel nice

this textfield uses like the most features of my ui all at once: transitions, animations, overflow scrolling + styled scrollbars & lots of event listeners & handlers

[clear dome]

The main missing feature of Ceramic’s text input is the horizontal scroll like what a standard text input does. I have the various parts available to make it, but didn’t spend the time to implement it yet

[ionic badger]

oh iirc there's a bit of a bug with copy paste with ceramic input 🤔

[clear dome]

What’s the bug?

[ionic badger]

I need to check it, but in some cases, you can't copy or you can't paste outside or into the ceramic context

something along those lines

[clear dome]

This is not a really a bug, it depends on the ceramic target and context, like, you can’t access just clipboard like that from a browser

[ionic badger]

need to see if it occurs on native

[clear dome]

On native, it should use SDL clipboard so it should work between the app and the rest

When Ceramic can’t access outside clipboard, it falls back to app-level emulated clipboard so you can still copy paste things within the app

[ionic badger]

will check now, just tried pasting into ceramic from discord and didn't work

been a lil bit since i last tested on native 😅

[clear dome]

This, on which target?

[ionic badger]

electron

[clear dome]

Yeah, can’t tell about your custom electron setup.

[ionic badger]

Oh wait, i swear we spoke about this before and I recall locally solving it

[clear dome]

And not sure I actually implemented the clipboard via electron yet

[clear dome]

You need to enable the electron plugin

(Sorry for hijacking your thread xd daz)

[ionic badger]

i'll do my next reply in your cosy livingroom 😂

[clear dome]

Yeah, just grab your ☕

[void condor]

the text scrolling was soo infuriating in my first implementation. so much special logic just for the textfield seemed wrong, hence why I made it a global feature. all that is missing is the scroll-into-view funcitonality, once I add that it will just work for everything else like the console 😄

[clear dome]

Ceramic's Text visual already has its own cropping/clipping mechanism done at the step where it translates every glyph into actual textured quads. This allows not to need stuff like scissor or stencil to do a simple rectangle clipping. So I just have to connect this api (assigning a clip rect handled by the Text object) to the actual editable text field component

I could put that inside a Scroller which would make scrolling via touch or mouse possible, but before I'll need to check how a standard text input scrolling works, maybe it's just about moving the text cursor around. In other words: everything is there to do it, but didn't figure out exactly what I should do yet 😁. Some day™

(I know !billy asked for it though 😬 )

[ionic badger]

I would do it but I never know the correct places to add these things

or at least attempt/put it on the Todo list

[clear dome]

Yeah this I’ll probably have to do it myself, too many moving parts involved to get right

[void condor]

I thought about that as well in the beginning. But again, too much specialized logic for my taste for a feature that is in essence required globally(transform hierarchies, clipping, scrolling). I dont worry about scissors/stencils

Next I want to worry about modals and overlay input focus

[clear dome]

I understand. I do have globally handled transform hierarchy and clipping too (and scrolling with the Scroller visual. It's just that the text provides its own thing in addition to that

Also, currently Ceramic currently doesn't support nesting multiple clip rects or shapes (based on scissor or stencil) within a visual object hierarchy, so if I had to use it for a text object, I couldn't use it for a parent container that contains this text object. This could be improved in the renderer of course by computing an intersect of the nested clipping shapes on the fly, but that's not supported at the moment

(that's also why I suggested @ionic badger to use Filter objects to nest clipping objects in haxeui: you can nest any level of render textures, and the render target boundaries viewport acts as a clipping rect just fine. If later I do the above improvement, nesting would work also by using stencil without intermediate textures)

[neat smelt]

Text field usually has a New Game + feature

"but does it handle Arabic?"

[void condor]

xD

I have been long searching for a solution without going fullblown harfbuzz on this

and a while ago my prayers were answered: https://github.com/JimmyLefevre/kb

with some tweaks it plugs nicely into my setup

biggest problem: I cant read what this will produce, so error-checking and debugging will be super tedious. So decided to kick this can down the road until further notice

Like how the fuck you deal with this: https://github.com/JimmyLefevre/kb/issues/34

alien shit

[neat smelt]

in this case one would invoke cunningham's law

advertise your app to have perfect [language] support

then you will get many detailed bug reports

[ionic badger]

I'm enjoying my gitea server

always running, haven't had to do anything with it to maintain it since i set it up

[void condor]

yeah, super simple to run

mine is currently offline due to vacations. 🤣

[ionic badger]

i also setup the cloudflare zero trust thing, i've got it remotely accessible

it's a really cool setup overall

[void condor]

nice! in my case I tend to shutdown my personal stuff while im gone. No need to run stuff while im out, high up in the austrian alps 😄

[ionic badger]

the minipc i got it running on takes like 12watts to run

was very mindful of running power 😄

how long are you on vacation for?

[green breach]

remember to do regular back ups!!!

[void condor]

we went the last whole week. just came back today

[green breach]

or else you will be put in a genkit scenario

[void condor]

had an amazing time: From a swim in the summer sun, chilling hikes to mountainlakes and finally an insane thunderstorm painting the mountaintops white with snow

can defo recommend the High Tauern for anyone that likes mountains and a shitton of nature

[ionic badger]

lol, its on the todo list. But i've already implemented step 1 plan, i switched out the shipped harddrive with a samsung 950 ssd i wasn't using

what happened to genkit

[ionic badger]

got any pics? 👀

[green breach]

mki lost the source code

[hollow spindle]

Technically no he has it stored at his dad's house somewhere

Yes he said that when I went to talk to him on dm's

[ionic badger]

ohhh i remember him saying that

I think i'll be fine considering i switched out the shipped (no name) m.2

but I do plan on actually adding another drive in there at some point for backups

a simple script that runs at the end of the day would suffice (or something like that)

[green breach]

you should technically still have a off site backup, def a good idea

[ionic badger]

that's part of the backup plan, just not sure how i want to execute it yet

it's not much of a priority for short term

[void condor]

will share later

[ionic badger]

so much headroom for a pretty cheap device

[green breach]

what distro are you running on it?

[ionic badger]

ubuntu server!

[green breach]

ah ok, ubuntu is so much better on servers

[ionic badger]

its been completely fine

no issues

and can always access it whenever i need to via ssh

[green breach]

you can tell canonical puts more effort into ubuntu server than the desktop variant

[ionic badger]

its likely their primary income stream

[green breach]

for sure

although they make money from snaps and those aren't particularly good

[void condor]

finally! cortex supports package-based resources/assets in the monorepo now. no more shitty duplication between apps now

[void condor]

this was the hike up the canyon into the alpine

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/mU9O89JlRUw

the place we stayed at

[void condor]

waaah, finally a good single header lib for those pesky dialogs https://github.com/samhocevar/portable-file-dialogs

[green breach]

samhocevar is on this server and is sometimes active in the kore server

[void condor]

nice. I just completed the externs, works like a charm

 
var res = FileDialogs.open_file("OPEN FILES", "", ["Cortex Resource Files", "*.cxr"], Option.Multiselect);
trace(res);

var res = FileDialogs.save_file("Save a file", ".cxr", ["Cortex Resource Files", "*.cxr"]);
trace(res);

var res = FileDialogs.select_folder("Select a folder");
trace(res);

var btn:Button = FileDialogs.message(
    "Unsaved Files",
    "Do you want to save the current document\n before closing the application?",
    Choice.Yes_No_Cancel, Icon.Warning);

FileDialogs.notify(
    "Cortex event", 
    "Something might be on fire 🔥", 
    Icon.Warning
);

[neat smelt]

Perhaps a good match for hashlink too...?

[molten sleet]

doesnt SDL3 have dialogs

[neat smelt]

Would you consider publishing the externs, @void condor

[neat smelt]

Yes but hashlink is sdl2

[molten sleet]

hlsdl is sdl2

one can make sdl3 on HL a thing

[neat smelt]

Okay but one is not me, and adding a rule file picker is a smaller task

[neat smelt]

If one is you I am thrilled to hear it

[molten sleet]

well
I am

For beacon I'm planning to extern a good few libraries

SDL3, SDL3_Image, LLGL, miniaudio, and a few other libs

[void condor]

sure. might take a few days, but I let you know

[neat smelt]

No rush at all of course. I am not confident that with them I'll be able to achieve anything either 😂

[void condor]

should be super easy

[neat smelt]

I would need to then convert them to hashlink externs which is something I've read about but not done

[molten sleet]

i might be able to help

[ionic badger]

ahh that's a very nice stream, clear water!

looks like a really nice place

[void condor]

looking at the traffic stats of my github repos im convinced 90% of clones and visitors is AI

[clear dome]

How does it compare with linc_dialogs? Do you think the implementation is better here?

[void condor]

better in every way. cpp11 required, way less code, no need to mess with dependencies, instead it scans the env at runtime for them etc.

plus you get message boxes and OS notifications

[clear dome]

I see, nice! I should take a look if you share the externs

[void condor]

knock yourself out https://github.com/dazKind/linc_filedialogs. CC @neat smelt

[neat smelt]

Thank you!

[clear dome]

Oh, actually, I might have a very short term use of that, but that’s for an internal tool

[void condor]

cool. lemme know if there are any issues, PRs welcome

I need to review my dependency management of resources, the new package system kinda screws with the old logic :/

[void condor]

ok, even found&fixed a bug.

NOW I need to take the dog outside, get some food and then I can finally finish scrollIntoView & the missing bits of my TextInput

[void condor]

ok, there was an issue with linc_filedialogs and the default parameters of the methods

[clear dome]

I won’t use it right away anyway, I have too many things on my plate right now 😄

[void condor]

nullability can be tricky to get right with native types for all 3 targets. But it's working now

[showcase] Your hxcpp/cppia apps need proper cross-platform dialogs, messageboxes or OS notifications? This new linc-lib has you covered: https://github.com/dazKind/linc_filedialogs ❤️

[void skiff]

nah bro 💀 you are the goat

[clear dome]

Oh os notifications are a nice addition

[void skiff]

fr

[void condor]

[void condor]

oh, looks like I blew past 60k lines of code

just cortex without the dependencies is ~22k, 10k of that is the ui package

[void skiff]

whattheheeell

[void condor]

man, there are moments when I love this ui system soo much

[void condor]

the last 3 days 😄

NO AI!

xD

[grizzled laurel]

pffff

jeeeeezus

[void skiff]

WTH

[void condor]

we are on a stroll

[void condor]

waaahhh

adding a general purposescrollIntoView was easier than I thought... 60 lines of code 😄

this is what happens when you have shit in place

[hollow spindle]

I've been wondering about why the c++20 pr isn't ready for pr on the hxcpp repository yet

[void condor]

didnt test all platforms. feel free to test it

[hollow spindle]

Github actions already tests all the targets for you

[void condor]

I doubt they test all the compiler defines

all the actions say is that my shit didnt break the standard compile

[void condor]

10 unique visitors and 20 unique cloners

anyone bold enough to interpret these numbers?

[hollow spindle]

What targets do someone have to test

Linux and Mac? Besides windows?

[ionic badger]

Windows and Mac

[hollow spindle]

I tested this on windows

It worked like - perfectly

So hold on, did dazkind already test it on Linux!?

[void condor]

windows and linux should work

cortex uses cpp20 on windows & linux

at the time I added the PR I only had windows

guess i just push it out of draft and we see what happens

[void condor]

70's supergraphic go soo hard

[green breach]

AI crawlbots are cloning your repo

[void condor]

madness

[void condor]

FINALLY!

[grizzled laurel]

:O

[void condor]

textinput is finally under control

one little issue with the scroll bar exploding in certain frames around string start, but that should be easy now

this rocks. instead of having custom logic to follow the cursor around it reuses the overflow scroll functionality from the control core to keep the cursor in view. it just has custom styled scrollbars. 😄

since it's baked into the core this is essentially a basic version of https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Element/scrollIntoView

[grizzled laurel]

it's so cool that any of this works really. It's like mannyyy different subsystems and you get a pretty "native" feeling UI

[void condor]

not sure if I should feel offended. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY "THAT ANY OF THIS WORKS REALLY"?!?! IN THIS HOUSE WE BUILD TO WIN!

j/k 😄

I promised myself this will be the last UI system I write & fumble together

concerning "native" feel, once one gets serious with the css, shit will blow people away

[grizzled laurel]

well I mean in general, that we can just create bits and pieces and it just kinda slots together

like we can interact with graphics (in your case through BGFX)

we have some input

use a library here and there for flexbox layout

you write many components

and boom, super cool UI

this is simplified ofc, but like, this is genuinely so cool

XD

like this UI system you built reminds me of why programming is so super enjoyable

i can tell alot of effort and passion has gone into it 😄

great stuff man, really well done :D

[void condor]

oh I get it. it's all a big integration exercise

thanks! this beast will unblock some insane stuff I have prepared

[grizzled laurel]

can't wait :)

[void condor]

I complete 1-2 more milestones I can finally go back to 3D and unlock the most advanced modern haxe renderer ever

[grizzled laurel]

what are you planning in terms of features?

[void condor]

wait and see. I integrated compute shaders the other day... 😄

[grizzled laurel]

uhoh

that does unlock alot of oppertunities

particles, GI and that is just scratching the surface

[void condor]

but my biggest pain is asset creation/management atm. I need ui tooling for that otherwise it's always such a drag adding & maintaining new content. That's why I need to get the UI out of the way to offer enough functionality for the tools I need

[grizzled laurel]

i wonder how that will end up

i can imagine like cool tooling for statecharts and stuff

because i know you love those

very interested to follow the progress

will defo read upcoming previews :)

[void condor]

yeah, I have been looking at compute particles recently and Im burning to get working on those. Also maybe deferred/forward clustered renderpipelines. There are soo many cool bgfx setups I can build upon and port them to cortex flexible renderer

[grizzled laurel]

yeah defo

ive been looking into compute too

to me the underlying concepts on how to intergrate compute with your renderer is pretty straight forward, but making it look good

i just have no clue

[void condor]

when it comes to compute, I literally have no idea what Im doing.

[grizzled laurel]

i really need to up my ability to interpret those books you sent me

i just cant with all the equations lol

[void condor]

I cant even read those. Dont tell anyone

I need to read (pseudo)code to grasp what is going on

[grizzled laurel]

yeahhh same....

i want to adjust it but can't

well I can in some cases, but if I want to change how something actually "behaves"

it just becomes a reallyyy bad time

this is one of the reasons I actually want to get a masters degree

my hope is that I can gain the knowledge to read academic papers there... (which hopefully helps in gaining understanding on how stuff actually behaves, like why does some random equation give me pretty pixels..?)

[void condor]

it takes a bit of practice. But sure it cant hurt

[grizzled laurel]

yeah defo

[void condor]

In the old days I spent 4 months dissecting a single paper. word for word to implement a software rasterer for occlusion culling

[grizzled laurel]

also dude, i wanna thank you again for helping me get into graphics programming all that time ago

[grizzled laurel]

jeeeeeez

[ionic badger]

damn it looks great

[ionic badger]

I don't think I've seen multiline yet? x)

[void condor]

I think this was 2005 or thereabout

[void condor]

!B, I love you, I hope you know that. But lemme tell u something: FUCK YOU!

[grizzled laurel]

AHAHAHAHA

[grizzled laurel]

you have so much cool shit saved, genuinely

I didn't even know ogre has been around for that long, jeeeeezusss

[void condor]

multiline is for future daz to tackle

[grizzled laurel]

who needs multiline text anyway

[void condor]

Ogre3d is ooold

[green breach]

didn't roblox used to use it? lol

[grizzled laurel]

my favourite game used to use ogre too

[grizzled laurel]

also i think so yeah...

[ionic badger]

😄

[void condor]

I have a habbit of creating and saving screenshots of shit I did

Im a little show-off and you need content for that

[green breach]

did you do a haxe 3d engine before cortex?

[void condor]

sure

[grizzled laurel]

awesome!

do you sometimes randomly go thru all the screenshots to feel the nostalgia? xD

[void condor]

the first iteration actually run on top of openfl and hijacked the opengl context

it all kinda evolved out of my flash days

[void condor]

for sure 😄

@random cedar actually knows. He was there 😄 FGL ❤️

[grizzled laurel]

xD

that does seem very fun to be able to do

[green breach]

did lime not exist yet?

[void condor]

I think the first iteration of lime was being worked on

fun fact: in my flash days I wrote a 2D editor which was 3D under the hood. It will get a new coat of paint for cortex. the core and logic will basically be the same

blast from the past

[grizzled laurel]

reminds me alot of "older" editors (like hammer)

this kindof realm

[void condor]

I grew up with these

[grizzled laurel]

yeah defo, wasn't this like the standard back in the day?

tbf, if i was an actual game designed I would probably prefer the older editors

[void condor]

brushes and baking everywhere

[grizzled laurel]

I utterly despise the unreal editor

[grizzled laurel]

i mean to be fair, it has held up really well

especially 2011 era games (like portal 2)

[void condor]

baking was soo annoying

[grizzled laurel]

although the source engine (and derivatives) has done a great job of looking great even in modern times

[void condor]

im talking 1999-2008

[grizzled laurel]

Titanfall 2 is another good example of the source engine blessing a game

[grizzled laurel]

well hey, free room heater

[void condor]

Thing is, brushes were quickly replaced / augmented with meshes once unified lighting models came along

These days I dont care anymore. I just model stuff in blender and my editor will be used for arrangements and gamelogic

[grizzled laurel]

i mean if it works it works\

[void condor]

brushes can force a certain aesthetic (clinical blocks, also no holes allowed, shit has to match geometrically perfectly). esp if you dont have advanced manipulation capabilities. See the difference between source 1 & source 2.

There is an elegance to it, for sure

[grizzled laurel]

yeah defo

i like old games

[clear dome]

Ceramic does have multiline text input, but it doesn’t have the scroll (yet)

[void condor]

Thanks @clear dome , I almost forgot that Ceramic exists! 🤣

[clear dome]

Regardless, all your work looks very cool 😄

[void condor]

Ok, at this point im pretty much re-implementing shadcn ui components 😄

https://ui.shadcn.com/docs/components/dropdown-menu

ofc I wont rewrite the react madness, but instead do it old-school:

class DropdownMenu extends Control {
    var ctlTrigger:DropdownMenuTrigger;
    var ctlContent:DropdownMenuContent;

    public function new(_config:DropdownMenuConfig) {
        super(_config);

        this.addListener(Added, _onAdded);
        this.addListener(FocusIn, _onFocusIn);
        this.addListener(FocusOut, _onFocusOut);
    }

    override public function dispose() {
        this.removeListener(Added, _onAdded);
        this.removeListener(FocusIn, _onFocusIn);
        this.removeListener(FocusOut, _onFocusOut);
    }

    function _onAdded(_evt:Event) {
        if (_evt.phase == Bubble) {
            // something was added, check if it was one 
            // of our companion controls and grab them
            switch (_evt.target.tagName) {
                case 'DROPDOWNMENUTRIGGER': ctlTrigger = cast _evt.target;
                case 'DROPDOWNMENUCONTENT': ctlContent = cast _evt.target;
            }
        }
    }

    function _onFocusIn(_evt:Event) {
        if (_evt.target.parent == ctlTrigger) {
            // we focused something inside the trigger
            if (ctlContent != null) {
                // position the content
                // TODO: check available space and position accordingly
                ctlContent.style.left = VDimension(PX(ctlTrigger.left));
                ctlContent.style.top = VDimension(PX(ctlTrigger.top+ctlTrigger.height+5));
                // show the content
                ctlContent.addStyleClass('show');
            }
        }
    }

    function _onFocusOut(_evt:Event) {
        if (_evt.target.parent == ctlTrigger) {
            // whatever in our trigger lost focus
            if (ctlContent != null) {
                // hide the content
                ctlContent.removeStyleClass('show');
            }
        }
    }
}

[void skiff]

uhlala

[neat smelt]

I wonder who will make haxeui-cortex

[random cedar]

Yes I was and yes I do you mad man

What is this, where am I 👀

[ionic badger]

Daz already has

[void condor]

welcome to my little thread about the engine im building and general coding goofery

[neat smelt]

... Can I use it?

[void condor]

I wrote a first integration last year(https://github.com/cortex-engine/haxeui-cortex/tree/main). But I almost died (emotionally) when looking at textfields and cppia compiletimes (heavy macros). In the end I decided to roll my own UI system to make shit work more consistently and keep my iterations fast.

Eventually someone could revisit this but Im not sure if it would make sense.

[ionic badger]

oh wow, that was a year ago

[neat smelt]

i guess the idea would be to map haxeui to your eventual implementation, @void condor , to facilitate easy migration of apps from other backends to yours

for me just seeing a working text box makes me want to change from Heaps to Cortex

[void condor]

it actually sparked that whole tracy adventure since I was getting mixed performance signals from that integration 😛

[void condor]

haha, yeah I totally get that. it would just be a sidequest that I cant commit to for the moment. Still many things left to solve for my mainquest

[ionic badger]

ceramic's textbox has a pretty decent base

and additional things are possible to add, i've added them locally but just not correctly 😆

[pearl slate]

if you are feeling brave you can try and port the kha / raylib textarea to heaps, i feel like i looked at it, and thought it was possible but i dont know enough about heaps to really try (example of kha version: https://haxeui.org/shared/kha-textarea/ ) [[ https://github.com/haxeui/haxeui-kha/blob/master/haxe/ui/backend/kha/TextField.hx ]]

[void condor]

Where is the mouse selection though? 😄 </troll>

[void condor]

The haunting soul drain again 😛

[pearl slate]

🙂 ... ... i dont get what you mean tbh (not enough, or more likely too much coffee on my part 😆 )

[void condor]

there is literally nothing more life- & soul sucking than code for a textedit

[pearl slate]

ha, gotcha... 100% - its not really code ive EVER wanted to look at again... and its not RTF (as i think the Cortex version would / could be?)

like its a single font, single color, single size type of deal

[clear dome]

Not in this video but that’s there by default

Ceramic’s online samples with the debug UI have it, for instance

[clear dome]

Double click should work too

Btw I don’t know how you architected that exactly, but I separated text selection from text edition, so you can make text selectable without having to make it editable, these are two different things

[void condor]

the kha one chunks the text into multi color etc in rendering

[ionic badger]

double click works as well, yes

[void condor]

also single font is the way it should be 😄

[pearl slate]

wdym? I wrote the kha one... it doesnt handle multiple colours - just selection

[void condor]

nobody has fun writing richtext editing

[ionic badger]

rich text would be cool to have, i'm not sure if ceramic textbox can handle that though, it seems to attach to a single Text object

[void condor]

then what is this about? https://github.com/haxeui/haxeui-kha/blob/master/haxe/ui/backend/kha/TextField.hx#L1110

[pearl slate]

yeah, thats just selection

[clear dome]

Seems like a pain to implement yeah

[pearl slate]

thats the only "colour change" that can happen - except for the defaults ofc

[void condor]

I call this multi color

[ionic badger]

😆

Technically not incorrect

[pearl slate]

haha, fair enough... lets go with that...

[ionic badger]

white text in the middle of black text

[void condor]

xD

im even more cheap

[clear dome]

I’d like to make the Text object more extensible via components at some point, but low priority

[void condor]

my selection is rendered additively onto the text

[ionic badger]

yeah, it's mostly a nice to have, haxeui xml/css makes covering this use case quite easy

[void condor]

today is bugfix day, lots of subtle fixes. I had some issues with text alignment that are all fixed and I also added some more eye-candy like font oversampling. It's not on the level of sdf but already much more pleasant

next are issues&review of alpha, scissoring, z-index & mousepicking. Found some interesting edge-cases that will get nuked away now

Then we are finally 90% in ui component land and I can build some crazy widgets

[normal dagger]

What you've shown is crazy enough already, nice job man

[grizzled laurel]

BTW, How do you handle tooltips in cortex-ui?

[void condor]

atm I dont have them, but once I add them, they'll use the same setup as the dropdowns: simple logic container with fixed position and high z-index

but I will prolly just ape this: https://ui.shadcn.com/docs/components/tooltip

why u asking?

[grizzled laurel]

because the dropdowns reminded me of them and I recall you having a debug overlay and having something that sorta looks like tooltips

[random cedar]

So is this a full blown framework in it's own right? like a new (better :P) OpenFL / NME ?

[void condor]

pretty much. it does a couple of things different though. Like main focus on c++20 native target, fully integrated ui solution, unified modern 3D & 2D capabilities(vulkan, metal, gl(es), dx11/12), multithreading, ecs, statecharts, completely different resource management, automatic asset baking & hot-reloading ...

oh, and CPPIA out of the box

most libs/externs can be used via cppia, so you can keep the app running, compile 2secs and see it auto-reload

and once you are done it folds all code into a clean optimized native build

aaaand another thing it does different: the whole project is setup as a monorepo with with multiple apps optionally sharing packages & assets while all dependencies are vendored in

at this point I think I can write a book

[molten sleet]

C++20?

Any specific reason why?

[hollow spindle]

C++17 is pretty outdated nowadays\

[molten sleet]

C++14 is more outdated
And isnt hxcpp based on C++11?

[clear dome]

Meanwhile, shipping c++11 and binaries built with vs2012 because some clients need it

[clear dome]

I'll probably never really use Cortex, but it will be interesting to see how it unfolds and how things work under the hood

[hollow spindle]

Yea I see it's the oldest version it can support

I normally use c++17

But recently I've started using c++20

Originally for getting a stupid lib like this to work

[void condor]

some of my dependencies need it, like https://www.yogalayout.dev

others like bgfx will also start to move slowly towards it

[void condor]

@normal dagger sure, that was an early iteration

cortex is the 3rd and final form

[void skiff]

what the heeeell

[void condor]

there is even an old tumblr with the early beginnings https://developium.tumblr.com

[normal dagger]

Oh wow

Kudos for the determination

[random cedar]

Sounds fantastic, if I wasnt using Unity now i'd probably jump on board

[void condor]

No you wouldnt 😄
btw, how much you paid for Unity so far? And how's the new racer coming along? Any cool footage/screens you wanna share here?

[void condor]

waaaaah

found a nice cleanup issue in the ui. also had to introduce stackingcontext marking

[void condor]

omg

in release mode this is some smooth shit

[void condor]

ok all issues are fixed.. feels weird

[void condor]

zero-sum game 😄

ok, last thing I need in the core is the transform-origin directive

[void condor]

I swear, it's little details like this, that will make some awesome user-experience

[void condor]

At this point im almost straight up copy and pasting the shadcn markup into my xml macro... First iteration of Select done 😄

[lethal talon]

wow that's awesome

[void condor]

thx!

re-implementing the barebones essentials of DOM + CSS is finally paying off.

<Select>
    <SelectTrigger>
        <SelectValue class="outline" placeholder="'Select a timezone'"/>
    </SelectTrigger>
    <SelectContent>
        <SelectGroup>
            <SelectLabel>North America</SelectLabel>
            <SelectItem value="'est'"><span text="'Eastern Standard Time (EST)'"/></SelectItem>
            <SelectItem value="'cst'"><span text="'Central Standard Time (CST)'"/></SelectItem>
            <SelectItem value="'mst'"><span text="'Mountain Standard Time (MST)'"/></SelectItem>
            <SelectItem value="'pst'"><span text="'Pacific Standard Time (PST)'"/></SelectItem>
            <SelectItem value="'akst'"><span text="'Alaska Standard Time (AKST)'"/></SelectItem>
            <SelectItem value="'hst'"><span text="'Hawaii Standard Time (HST)'"/></SelectItem>
        </SelectGroup>
        <SelectGroup>
            <SelectLabel>Europe & Africa</SelectLabel>
            <SelectItem value="'gmt'"><span text="'Greenwich Mean Time (GMT)'"/></SelectItem>
            <SelectItem value="'cet'"><span text="'Central European Time (CET)'"/></SelectItem>
            <SelectItem value="'eet'"><span text="'Eastern European Time (EET)'"/></SelectItem>
            <SelectItem value="'west'"><span text="'Western European Summer Time (WEST)'"/></SelectItem>
            <SelectItem value="'cat'"><span text="'Central Africa Time (CAT)'"/></SelectItem>
            <SelectItem value="'eat'"><span text="'East Africa Time (EAT)'"/></SelectItem>
        </SelectGroup>
    </SelectContent>
</Select>

that's the dom. the individual elements might extend that with some internal stuff but nothing u as a user need to care about

the general rule of thumb is: Build the hierarchy of elements in markup, have the elements deal with events and logic basically.

The actual visuals, transitions & animations are all defined in CSS

HSS for the select content:

selectcontent {
    position: absolute;
    z-index: 5;
    padding: 2px;

    flex-flow: nowrap column;

    opacity: 0;
    background: $bg-primary;
    border-radius: $border-radius;
    border: 1px solid $txt-secondary;
    filter: CSS("drop-shadow(1, 45, #000000, 0.75, 6, 1, 30, 35, false)");

    transform: scale(0.5,0.5);
    transform-origin: left top;

    transition-property: opacity, transform;
    transition-duration: 0.25s;
    transition-timing-function: cubicOut;

    &.show {
        opacity: 1;
        transform: scale(1,1);
    }

    > selectgroup {
        flex-flow: nowrap column;
        flex-shrink: 0;

        > selectlabel {
            padding: 8px 6px;
            > span {
                font-size: $default-font-size * 0.9;
                color: $txt-secondary;
            }
        }

        > selectitem {
            padding: 8px 6px;
            border-radius: $border-radius;

            flex-direction: row-reverse;
            justify-content: space-between;
            gap: 10px;

            > .square {
                width: 15px;
                height: 15px;
            }

            &:hover {
                background-color: $bg-secondary-hover;
            }

            &:checked {
                > .square {
                    background-image: embed("../img/checkbox_white.png");
                }
                > span {
                    color: $txt-active;
                }
                color: $txt-active;
                background-color: $bg-secondary-hover;
            }
        }
    }
}

super easy workflow once you combine it with hot-reloading

[void condor]

OOOHHHH

That looks super interesting!!! https://github.com/giabao/tinyui?tab=readme-ov-file

This could actually replace my shoddy macros

[void condor]

You have no idea how mind-blowing this screenshot is to me.

and if you dont understand what's going on: this is an intact ui hierarchy with items like the select-content popping out of layout via z-index, automatically adjusting itself to available screenspace, activating the built-in scrolling all while nested in other overflowing controls all while event handling just does its thing all while the rendering correctly stacks depths, zindex, clipping&scissoring ... 🤯

[void condor]

omg

just realized we inherited support for mediaqueries from haxeui styles... I have to wire that up at some point

would instantly solve all the resizing bullshit with different resolutions

[void condor]

you know you reached peak ui programming insanity when you comfortably pick stuff out of transformation matrices to do some calculations

[void condor]

and then you delete everything again bc you realize you dont need fancy math

[molten sleet]

this is why im just gonna use imgui

*for debug stuff, i'll have to do ui eventually for lumina

[void condor]

why though, It's such a great learning experience

[molten sleet]

sounds more like trial by fire

[grizzled laurel]

it isn't that bad, even if it was, you'd still learn from it :)

[clear dome]

I can imagine the satisfaction of seeing all the moving parts finally working together 😄

[void condor]

totally

[void skiff]

how much time are you developing cortexui

[void condor]

u mean in so far?

or in general

[void skiff]

in general

[void condor]

I spend most of my freetime on it and the engine. depending how much energy I have left after my job

last 2 weeks I spiked bc I have vacations 😄

most of the haxe stuff I use in cortex is stuff I wrote over the last decade remixed into a new form

that unification I started sometime last year

anyway, I reached all my milestones... now I sorta feel empty

arriving at that textfield, dropdown & select I can finally build my tooling

funky feeling

[clear dome]

I can relate to that feeling as well, when finishing a big milestone

[ionic badger]

This is basically how my stack is, multiple iterations of various forms, current form is just the best outcome so far

[void condor]

Thinking about adding this to my UIMacro

[void condor]

lol, ok

templating confirmed 😄

[ionic badger]

I have been very tempted to completely rewrite my chart stuff recently, It can do pretty much everything I need, it's just not very organised to integrate with

[void condor]

xD

[tired ember]

i have no idea if this is where i'm supposed to talk about this
but i'm trying to use linc_filedialogs for something made with haxeflixel (specifying that if it matters at all) and it seems to be throwing cpp errors:

Error: ./src/funkin/CoolUtil.cpp: In static member function ‘static Array<String> funkin::CoolUtil_obj::showOpenDialog(String, String, Array<String>, Dynamic, Dynamic, Dynamic)’:
./src/funkin/CoolUtil.cpp:834:26: error: ‘pfd’ has not been declared
  834 | HXLINE( 327)             pfd::opt option = pfd::opt::none;
      |                          ^~~
./src/funkin/CoolUtil.cpp:836:33: error: ‘option’ was not declared in this scope; did you mean ‘optind’?
  836 | HXLINE( 329)                    option = pfd::opt::multiselect;
      |                                 ^~~~~~
      |                                 optind
./src/funkin/CoolUtil.cpp:836:42: error: ‘pfd’ has not been declared
  836 | HXLINE( 329)                    option = pfd::opt::multiselect;
      |                                          ^~~
./src/funkin/CoolUtil.cpp:847:53: error: ‘linc’ has not been declared
  847 | HXLINE( 335)            ::Array< ::String > files = linc::filedialogs::open_file({

every error past this is just unrelated stuff breaking because of the stuff above breaking

the code i'm using that's failing is just this:

#if linc_filedialogs
var option:Option = Option.None;
if(multiSelect)
    option = Option.Multiselect;

final goodFilters:Array<String> = [];
for(type in filters)
    goodFilters.push(StringTools.replace(StringTools.replace(type, "*.", ""), ";", ","));

final files:Array<String> = FileDialogs.open_file(title ?? (multiSelect ? "Open Files" : "Open File"), initialPath, goodFilters, option);
return files;
#end

how do i fix this ??

[tired ember]

searching in the generated cpp code it seems like it's not including any of the headers

[void condor]

hmm, interesting

if you open the lib on disc, open FileDialog.hx and add @:include('linc_filedialogs.h') above every @:notNull you find and test again

which haxe / hxcpp version do you use?

[tired ember]

haxe 4.3.7
hxcpp 4.3.2

[tired ember]

still throws cpp errors, but different ones this time

[void condor]

Do you have -D HXCPP_CPP11 set?

[tired ember]

...apparently not

i thought maybe lime would've already done that, but i guess i'll do it myself

[void condor]

oh!

[void condor]

pull again

[tired ember]

i will when i get back from the store lol

[void condor]

not all enums had the include and that prolly is the cause. I didnt detect that since I used the icons which had it

[void condor]

Any of my libs can be freely discussed here.
BUT you will have to pay a mandatory tribute in form of cool screenshots or clips in which you use the libs.

[tired ember]

fair trade

[void condor]

just remembered an old trick in nanovg and now we can have tinted image fills! 😄

that will make skinning ui soo much easier

[tired ember]

oh yeah slightly unrelated this error comes up, had to comment it out myself to get it compiling any further

Error: /mnt/B64005D340059AEF/Refresh/Programming/Haxe/- HaxeFlixel/FNF-Troll-Engine/.haxelib/linc_filedialogs/git/linc/linc_filedialogs.cpp:3:10: fatal error: ./linc_filewatch.h: No such file or directory
    3 | #include "./linc_filewatch.h"
      |          ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
compilation terminated.

this file isn't anywhere in linc_filedialogs

so

it's referencing a non-existent header

after pulling and fixing that line, i get this

[void condor]

fix coming

that's a copy and paste error, I have that header in my project, so didnt notice

[tired ember]

fair

[tired ember]

after removing that the latest commit doesn't help anything here

it no longer thinks the uh

pfd

it no longer thinks that doesn't exist

but now it's erroring for other reasons now

[void condor]

pull

[tired ember]

also just realized this specific project is using hxcpp 4.3.2

i forgot asbout that

[void condor]

#1234939525931728906 message

again, what about HXCPP_11

[tired ember]

i tried defining it but it didn't seem to do anything

as in the define wasn't actually defined

i'm testing latest commit rn

i think this is the exact same error log as i just sent but i'll send it again just in case anything's different

hxcpp error logs are so hard to track down to what's really happening 😭

the filewatch thing was fixed so

updating haxelib did work

i did notice there was no haxelib json

i don't know if that'd be an issue

but it could be since i recall having issues with using haxelibs without a haxelib.json file

[void condor]

no

your code is triggering an error

you should create a simple test app where you run the sample included in the readme

if that works then you do something in your funkin-thing that was not intended

[tired ember]

i'll go do that with a basic hxcpp project since those don't take long to comiple

[void condor]

./src/funkin/CoolUtil.cpp:892:1: error: mixing declarations and function-definitions is forbidden
  892 | , initialPath, goodFilters, _options);
      | ^
./src/funkin/CoolUtil.cpp:892:3: error: variable or field ‘initialPath’ declared void
  892 | , initialPath, goodFilters, _options);
      |   ^~~~~~~~~~~
./src/funkin/CoolUtil.cpp:892:16: error: variable or field ‘goodFilters’ declared void
  892 | , initialPath, goodFilters, _options);
      |                ^~~~~~~~~~~
./src/funkin/CoolUtil.cpp:892:37: error: expected initializer before ‘)’ token
  892 | , initialPath, goodFilters, _options);

[tired ember]

wait a minute

[void condor]

goodFilters is not my code

[tired ember]

hm

why are those variables being declared as void

they aren't ??

wait

hold on

i might have to cast them because i noticed they are technically makred as dynamic

i'll still make a test project

[tired ember]

even the simple test app is failing

the weird part is it almost finishes

[void condor]

show your hxml

[tired ember]

-cp src
-D analyzer-optimize
-main Main
--library linc_filedialogs
--define HXCPP_CPP11
--cpp bin/cpp

with or without HXCPP_CPP11 doesn't make a difference

unless i typed it wrong

nope HXCPP_11 doesn't make a difference either

[void condor]

no this time it didnt compile the lnc_filedialogs.cpp and you are missing the o files

seriously no clue what you are doing there

[tired ember]

i don't have any clue how this could even happen
i didn't modify any of the library code, just straight from latest git

the actual main file is as you suggested, just copied from the readme sample

it failing on the main project could make sense, i might be doing something very wrong without realizing
but this is the simplest case i can test with

[void condor]

i'll check

gonna include a test that I verified

[tired ember]

would it help if i sent my test project over as well?

[void condor]

I think I have the issue, I can isolate it, but Im not sure I understand it since it behaves completely different in cortex

comment the #define PFD_SKIP_IMPLEMENTATION 1 in linc_filedialogs.h

I think I may have misunderstood how to use it correctly. the implementation gets compiled into the unit of the cpp file but that was enough for me. super weird

again, test it, im gonna reflect on it and try to make it break in cortex and then I can supply the fix and test

[tired ember]

i commented it out, and for good measure deleted the bin folder, now this happens (on the same testing project i made earlier)

everything up until this point goes as normal
 - src/hx/gc/Immix.cpp  [haxe,gc]
 - src/hx/Lib.cpp  [haxe,static]
 - src/hx/StdLibs.cpp  [haxe,static]
 - src/hx/Debug.cpp 
 - src/hx/gc/GcCommon.cpp  [haxe,gc]
 - src/String.cpp  [haxe,hxstring]
Link: Main
Error: Could not find build target "of"
Error: Build failed

i haven't changed the hxml at all since

i'm confused on whether or not it succeeded

it didn't seem to generate any nasty cpp errors after linking

[void condor]

haxelib run hxcpp cache clear

[tired ember]

WAIT i think i realized why
i just remembered it doesn't like folder names with spaces inside of them

[void condor]

this helps with header code sometimes not working

[tired ember]

did not know this was a thing

[tired ember]

Error: HXCPP_COMPILE_CACHE is not set

[void condor]

oh ok, dude, learn about the cache and set it, it will supercharge your native compiletimes

[tired ember]

despite the random error at the end, it works now

i think it just doesn't like the folder name that the project resides in

[void condor]

...

[tired ember]

it usually spits that error out when there's spaces in the name

which is weird because it usually still compiles fine despite that

[void condor]

seriously for a sec I thought you were using vista

[tired ember]

lol

it's kde plasma with a really good windows 7 theme

[void condor]

hmmm

[tired ember]

so the test project works with this change now

i wonder how much this would do for the other project

[void condor]

im not pleased. ok I will commit that change and my test and then you can continue and I need to check wtf is going on with that define

pushed

[tired ember]

other project is still failing

i'll have to find out what the hell is going on with my code then

[void condor]

kk

[tired ember]

it's really strange because this is the code in question
this doesn't look like it should be going this wrong

i tried putting the title into a variable because at some point i was just trying stuff in hopes of it maybe working 😭

either way it made no diff

wait

no

i can just delete the export folder and it Should work

wrong reply damn it

[tired ember]

the other project is failing cuz of this now

which is fixable

[void condor]

lol

title ?? "Save File"

move that out of the call

final filePath:String = FileDialogs.save_file("Save File", initialPath, goodFilters);

have fun

also filters can be null and will crash if you loop it

@tired ember ^

[tired ember]

i realized both of these shortly before this most recent compile

it's compiling right now, hopefully it works

[void condor]

it will

and setup the cache, 4s vs 31s compiles for me

[void condor]

added support for hss conditional compilation. allows easy an setup for independent light/dark themes

[tired ember]

yay it works

i misinterpreted what the initial path argument meant

i was trying to give it a default file name which i don't think is possible?

[tired ember]

update: it's only wanting to work on my machine apparently ??

what ???

this is only happening on windows specifically as well which is even stranger because i got it working on windows

ooh wait i think i might've figured out what's happening here
shell32.lib isn't being linked

[tired ember]

after adding a thing to link shell32.lib (along with a few other things just incase)
to Linc.xml() it worked

[void condor]

makes sense, I wasnt able to test everything under windows. PR welcome

[tired ember]

ill pr this asap

save dialogs also appear to just Not Open at all on windows

and they return an empty string

[tired ember]

https://github.com/dazKind/linc_filedialogs/pull/1

[void condor]

oh, why patch the haxecode, you could have just added it into the linc_filedialogs.xml

[tired ember]

i don't know actually, just fixed that

[void condor]

do you know which libs are a hard requirement?

[tired ember]

i know shell32 was one of them, i didn't want to deal with more potential errors so i added some extra

on one hand, i can go back and remove the unnecessary ones but
on the other, i don't want to deal with windows right now
my pc genuinely hates being on windows 😭

i think one of them was also related to dialogs

[void condor]

ok, I think userenv is also required. I pull and clean up a little

[tired ember]

i don't remember which

[void condor]

pushed

I will revisit once I port the latest version of cortex back to windows

[void condor]

fun with styles & themes

[void skiff]

warning: flashbang

[void condor]

It's soo nice how easy working with bgfx is

[molten sleet]

I've heard bad things abt bgfx

Something abt buffers and the build system

[void condor]

skill issue I guess?

😄

[pure oriole]

i hope not 🥀

[ionic badger]

skill issue is the best kind of issue tho

[void condor]

cortex in browser confirmed 😄

at one point I gotta check how this whole preloading stuff works with a slower connection

But this working gives me huge confidence

[grizzled laurel]

Awesome!!

[void condor]

im so stupid

remember, if you create a server, make sure you also start it

[clear dome]

_if it doesn't start, it doesn't crash _

[void condor]

In this house here we dont crash

[void condor]

what a monster refactor

good things coming!

[void condor]

wow, the udprotean lib works soo nicely

[void condor]

ok, what a night

Finally I have a pretty good idea of what will be the first shippable project. For my editor architecture I opted for a 2 app setup, editor + game. They need to connect to eachother and exchange state and cmds. But since I have no idea how some shit is about to go down I decided to start smaller. Instead I will focus on statecharts first. I want to review and monitor them live in my projects...

maybe @crystal grove wants to do that as well? 😄

So, how about we take a page out of tracy's book and setup a debug-module that can be included with any project that uses my statechart lib, make it use fast udp networking and have a second app, a statechart debugger that connects and pulls all the data for visualization? This debugger can serve as a prototype for the real editor and I get to dog-food basically everything about cortex and put it through its paces!

Soooooo I decided to start hacking! I ported most of the stuff I had in HxGodot to cortex and improved some things along the way. It's still early but it fucking works already very well. Left is the game running with the debug-server, left is the connected debugger that currently shows the 3 types of active statecharts in the game. No realtime updates/animations yet since I gotta think on how I visualize all the active instances (can be a lot) 😄

[crystal grove]

This is better than me putting trace() in every single state transition

[void condor]

The best thing: the debugger will automatically layout ANY statechart into a nice graph

Here it is connected to the ui-demo app

What's even crazier is coding the server and the client at once. With the cppia reload this feels a bit unreal. The monorepo setup was really worth it

Another cool aspect is that I could record/log events & transitions and couple it with tracy, allowing deep debugging of the logic and the code

[crystal grove]

You said any project, so this can tie into js and others?

[void condor]

native only

at least for a start

[ionic badger]

udprotean has been on my to try list for years

it looked like such a good lib when i first saw it

[grizzled laurel]

I've used it before, worked wonderfully

[uneven coral]

idk if this is the right place to ask this but i tried cloning the submodules for linc_bgfx but it kept failing with Please make sure you have the correct access rights and the repository exists.

[void condor]

It is

the submodules are public but use ssh links (https://github.com/dazKind/linc_bgfx/blob/main/.gitmodules)

I guess if you dont have GH credentials then you cant clone that way

[uneven coral]

i see

[void condor]

hmm I might change that over the weekend, in the meantime you can change those git: uris to https and init the lib that way

[uneven coral]

alright thank you very much 🫡

[void condor]

lemme know how your adventure goes!

[uneven coral]

will do :D

[clear dome]

Probably better to use https urls for submodules indeed

[uneven coral]

while attempting to compile the test provided, i get this error C++17 standard support is required to build.

is there any flag i can pass to make it use it or something similar?

[void condor]

Just use -D HXCPP_CPP17 in your hxml

[uneven coral]

thank you :D

[void condor]

I think I forgot to add that in the test

that test is super old, I hope it still works

[uneven coral]

had to make a few changes

adding the define still gives me the same error though

[void condor]

checking, 2 secs

oh yes, that test is from before I refactored most of the externs. 2secs, fixing everything

[uneven coral]

alrighty

[void condor]

ok, pushed

Since samples are rare, this one is on the house:
https://gist.github.com/dazKind/ac9f1ce0ec28575ad03119cf9b7f8626

if you lack shaders, just grab the ones you find in the bgfx samples or compile your own

looking at it, Im kinda glad that cortex abstracts most of that stuff away

[void condor]

having added yoga for the flexbox model is paying such huge dividends

[uneven coral]

thank you!

[uneven coral]

i still get the C++17 error

even in the latest commit

[void condor]

hmm, that's weird

I guess it has to do with how bgfx deals with the __cplusplus definition

To enforce it you can uncomment the following lines:
https://github.com/dazKind/linc_bgfx/blob/main/linc/linc_bgfx.xml#L219
https://github.com/dazKind/linc_bgfx/blob/main/linc/linc_bgfx.xml#L394

at some point I will need to review the whole define setup to make sure everything is fed everywhere correctly. On my end it works and is defined by hxcpp, but im running linux, so maybe I missed something for windows

[void condor]

compiling multiple cppia apps in a networking setup at once is such fun. not needing to restart server/clients and reconnecting is such a time saver 😄

[uneven coral]

im on linux as well 😅

so i think uncommenting those wont help

[void condor]

muahahaha

[void condor]

not perfect, but very functional 😄

[void condor]

ohhh bgfx received lots of good updates. they finally exposed the vulkan max descriptorsets config

instead of lod'ing my ui I can now just 10x that and throw an amazingly unresponsible amount of draw calls at vulkan

lol, ok, that works like a charm... I BET YOUR UIS CANT RENDER WITH LIKE 3K DRAWCALLS!

[void condor]

dude, I have literally no idea what you are doing there

[ionic badger]

What linc_sdl bindings does the bgfx test use?

I tried the ones at snowkit but fails to compile

[void condor]

oh boy, dont use that

https://github.com/cortex-engine/linc_sdl

[ionic badger]

i think i got all the build steps done for bgfx

anything obvious missed here?

[void condor]

a define

try to add this define

lemme check if there are other changes that sdl needs and I havent moved out of cortex yet

ah yes

2 secs

[void condor]

yep. it's ugly

now I get why shit is just wonky

[void condor]

pull that linc_sdl again

had to rip out that nativetoolkit shit

the config should now be included correctly and the bgfx test compile just fine

all this shit is precisely why cortex is a monorepo now and vendors everything. most stuff is soo bleeding edge that you end up having to modify 3-4 libs just make things work like they should

[ionic badger]

[void condor]

top!

[clear dome]

Ah yes, I know that feeling and 100% agree

(I didn’t go as far as mono-repoing Ceramic but still totally understand why someone would do that)

[ionic badger]

So i see the test stuff has a lot untyped code in it - I'm assuming that's all necessary for the foundation to work?

[void condor]

the SDL_SysWMinfo stuff? yeah, it's stuff that even linc_sdl didnt expose properly.

depending on which platform config header gets included/setup, that struct's union will change and include different stuff

other than that, these are standard display/window pointers that bgfx needs to setup rendering contexts

[molten sleet]

Wasn't SDL_syswm.h removed in SDL3

[pure oriole]

hmm here is a discourse link https://discourse.libsdl.org/t/sdl-sdl-syswm-h-has-been-removed-and-replaced-with-window-properties/47246

[void condor]

and? who said im using sdl3?

[void condor]

hmm, this is soo much better than I had anticipated. packaging the desktop assets and hooking them up as a preload is super straight forward

[ionic badger]

@void condor If I wanna make a framework that's cppia "compliant" are there any patterns to avoid (outside of externs) Things like globals, singletons... common patterns like that, are they fine?

[void condor]

no special required. jsut make sure you have proper init / shutdown capabilities

[void condor]

ok, I think I finally have an idea on how I wanna tackle releasing cortex

the idea is roughly to have 2 versions of the engine, a community edition and a hidden one that I use

in terms of licenses, the code will be clustered into different areas with different licenses

first of all I wanna retain & respect the original sources(in case where i pulled something or I use a library fork)

the rest of original cortex's code might dual licensed, meaning the community edition will be a FOSS one and the hidden one might/can get a different license if there is any interest

[crystal grove]

Is the hidden version purely a licensing thing, or more like a dev/bleeding edge/don’t look over here kind of thing?

[void condor]

both. I wanna have the possibility of custom commercial licensing as well as custom stuff that should only be relevant to me

[void condor]

So, here is something fresh: Since we consider CSS files in cortex' UI system as kind of an assetpack, that "styles" a hierarchy (layouts, colors, fonts, (animated) visuals, ... etc) I thought it also kinda made sense to include sound-effects!

[ionic badger]

okay, that's a cool thing

instant game feel

[void condor]

yeah, super easy addition with big impact

[grizzled laurel]

oh man this is great

[void condor]

[showcase] After quite some time, cortex has its audio backend back in action. So I decided to do something fresh: In cortex' UI system we consider CSS files as a kinda assetpack, that "styles" a hierarchy (layouts, colors, fonts, (animated) visuals, ... etc), how about we add sound effects via CSS as well? Said & done! Turns out it feels good! 😄

[ionic badger]

iirc you got debugging working with hxcpp - what method did you use? a native debugger or were you able to map to use source maps and debug the haxe code?

[void condor]

i debug native only

[void condor]

TIL about https://api.haxe.org/haxe/macro/MacroStringTools.html

[void condor]

waah, ok I wrote two macros that convert an existing extern to json and the other converts that json into a new extern with all the cppia tricks

[ionic badger]

lol what

[void condor]

had to make hxraudio cppia compatible

[void condor]

Another interesting observation: Ever since I switched to a monorepo, I experience less mental friction when it comes to dependencies or incremental refactors since I stopped worrying about branching&updating various parts of the codebase. Instead, after a fun weekend coding, I have this new sunday morning routine of going through, sorting and commiting a shitton of changes

[clear dome]

Some developers would get instantly mad at this, but I think it mostly boils down to what’s important in your workflow. For a solo project like Cortex, it seems to perfectly make sense. People often see problems they had in their own context, and project that to your own without much thought

[void condor]

thing is, even the best libs come with assumptions and these impose constraints. most of the time these constraints get in the way of solving things the "right" way(context sensitive). Solo project or not, doesnt matter, happens either way. Think of !Billy and the ceramic textfield. if you throw away these artificial shackles things get a lot more, shall I say, fluent / productive? It's essentially all about embracing the forks 😄

[void condor]

though Im interested about the "getting mad" part. In your opinioin, why would anyone react like that?

[clear dome]

Oh sure, recently I forked LDtk to add something that will unlikely be merged back to main repo, which is ok, « embracing the fork » as you say 😄

[clear dome]

I’m mostly thinking about the « good practices » that professional developers have a tendency to enforce, even on contexts they are barely relevant. In the case of monorepos with forked third party libs, some might get scared very quickly of « going out of sync » from the « official » dependencies, because that’s the opposite of what they may be used to do, or what they might have learnt at school. But it’s all about context and knowing what are the costs and the benefits of what you are doing anyway

As far as I’m concerned, I’m generally used to fork and modify open source dependencies, because I accepted that in many situations, those libs authors didn’t need what I need, which is ok, they have been nice enough to share their work as open source for anyone to continue from there however they want. So, « avoiding the fork » at all cost is somewhat silly to me, but I have seen that mentality a lot in my career

… and having a monorepo with less and less different git dependencies/submodules is definitely compatible with forking for your own needs 😄

[clear dome]

And regarding this, I see Ceramic the same way. I can’t anticipate how other users might want to use it, but that’s ok, anyone can fork it, really

(And by the way, I could really see the benefit of removing some layers of git submodules toward something more monorepo-ish, to make that even easier)

[ionic badger]

I've experienced this as part of developing my app, constantly managing where things go where, trying to keep track of things properly and in the end my side libraries were all tied up anyway

Unnecessary mental effort for no reason in the end. Better to just not be organised and do it wrong, then when it's clear go back and refine. That's how I'm currently looking at the 'better approach' now anyway

[clear dome]

That’s what I do now: any utility I create is specific to the project that needs it. No need to make it generic, just make it work for the purpose you need right now. If later it makes sense to extract it to make it a more standalone/generic utility, all the project-specific work done beforehand will be very useful. Exceptions to this are projects I know from the start will be used in multiple projects and are large enough to be their own thing. But even Tracker lib first started as a thing that is part of Ceramic. Only at a later stage I decided to make it a separate project, because I needed it outside of Ceramic

[ionic badger]

does cppia naturally have a leak or is it my externs? 😄

[ionic badger]

running through valgrind (first time) and i'm not sure the leak are my externs 🤔

i've also got socket stuff in here which has nothing to do with me

[void condor]

every reload creates a new set of types. these types are versioned and on top if you dont clear all instances you keep old code around/active on top

[ionic badger]

if that's the case my first run shouldn't leak right?

[void condor]

define "leak". if the gc keeps a dead memory pool around that is supposed to be reused do you consider that a leak? Not really

[ionic badger]

around .1mb every 1 minute

==73594== LEAK SUMMARY:
==73594==    definitely lost: 44,466 bytes in 586 blocks
==73594==    indirectly lost: 343,420 bytes in 4,473 blocks
==73594==      possibly lost: 6,146,296 bytes in 4,053 blocks
==73594==    still reachable: 19,292,983 bytes in 24,235 blocks
==73594==         suppressed: 0 bytes in 0 blocks
``` from the valgrind run

[void condor]

Switch on the GC telemetry and ask it what it is doing and correlate that with valgrind. Tracy memory profiler can also help isolating addresses / objects

[ionic badger]

ohhhhh guess i have to recompile tracy 😄

forgot memory profiling was available there

[void condor]

the question is if you see a saw tooth in your memory graphs or not. You might observe there how the gc grows/manages it's budget according to your usage

[ionic badger]

Error: In file included from ./src/cpp/vm/tracy/Cppia_TracyProfiler.cpp:6:
/home/j/Documents/Projects/cpp/MyProject/haxe_modules/hxcpp/include/hx/TelemetryTracy.h:9:10: fatal error: /home/j/Documents/Projects/cpp/MyProject/bin/obj/linux64-debug/__pch/haxe/hxcpp.h: No such file or directory
9 | #include <hxcpp.h>
| ^~~~~~~~~

I compiled latest tracy which is 0.12.2 and it looks like haxe ships 0.12.0 - I'm guessing that's what the issue is here?

lol silly question, they're completely detached at this point 😂

[void condor]

waaaaahhh

I was soo bummed out that there is no linux version of https://www.rigzsoft.co.uk/timelinefx-alpha-version/

turns out I can add it to Steam as an app and force proton as compatibility layer

wow, the dude invested a shitton of time into this. every sample comes with indepth explanations and if you click on the hyperlinks the ui will slowly transition over to show you the setting

Ok. I loved the original version but this is A LOT better and offers 3D effects. Now that he has opensourced the c-lib for loading and running these effects together with a sample vulkan renderer + shaders I might just try to port this to bgfx and have this as particle effect solution in cortex

[ionic badger]

I'm trying to run my app through lldb and for some reason the cppia script doesn't run but host boots up

same thing occurs when trying to run through gdb

have you had a similar issue at all?

[void condor]

depends on what exactly you are doing

I always run the host, since it loads the script. And I can step through the execution. You might wanna explore the DBGLOG macro since it will print all kinds of useful infos about your script-execution

this is gdb used through https://github.com/epasveer/seer

[ionic badger]

App was crashing on the client side, so I wanted to catch the error so I ran gdb Main-debug(host) and app booted without loading the script

also, with your native externs, you have the cppia side and the the non cppia side, how do you create an api that is identical between cppia and normal hxcpp? do you have an additional layer of wrappers in cortex?

[ionic badger]

Ohhh, i think I might understand, in the native api we use cpp.RawPointer for our method params, returns etc and then we can use Pointer.fromRaw in the cppia wrapper?

Do i have the right idea here?

hmm... not sure that's correct either

[void condor]

@ionic badger There isnt really anything special. It's all in my bindings. If you want we can hop on a call + screenshare and we take a look what you doing

[ionic badger]

for real? 😄

I don't think i'm that far off

aahhhhh i think i might have just found it

[void condor]

sure, I like puzzles

[ionic badger]

you take in cpp.Star for where things want cpp.Pointer

I'm good with a call either way, I have a funky puzzle going on 😄

[void condor]

where you wanna do it?

[ionic badger]

i don't mind, can do it on the discord

people can come idle watch if they want

[void condor]

cool, ill be there in a sec

getting a drink

[ionic badger]

i'm gonna be around 5 or 10 mins, just sorting out some meal prep

[void condor]

kk, then I have a quick smoke as well

[ionic badger]

do you happen to have a workflow for developing cortex within cppia? because i'm assuming it gets compiled into the host, is there a way to still get hotreload support?

[void condor]

cortex is only partially compiled into the host

only the low-level parts involving externs

all other stuff is in the script

[ionic badger]

ohhh very smart!

ahhhh, i think some of my things are importing things into the host by proxy :/

[void condor]

I move stuff gradually over to the host as it gets finished

[ionic badger]

Ohh, I guess I can do App init on the client can't I 🤔 My current setup had a simple cppia reload script built into App init if scriptable define is set

[void condor]

Wanna see something funny?

I was wondering what happens if you combine lighttpd (webserver), CGI (old but good) and cppia?

well, you get an interesting base for a webframework

I wonder what happens if I juice this up with some macros, htmx & tailwind

although, fuck tailwind 😛

[ionic badger]

what's the perk of cppia and Web dev? can't you hot reload js?

[void condor]

in this case it's not about hot-reloading. it's about 1000x reduced complexity and server-side native runtime speeds

it's like a lightweight php

also js is banned/illegal in this framework aside from what htmx offers

[ionic badger]

can probably use interfaces to remove more library code from the host 🤔

[void condor]

waaaah

after 1.5 years my console has finally a scrollToBottom 😄

[void condor]

@ionic badger and it leverages the events, anytime a child resizes we make sure our anchor at the bottom of the console log is in view:

scroll.addListener(Resize, (_evt)-> {
    if (_evt.phase == Bubble)
        anchor.scrollIntoView();
});

[void condor]

hmmmm, still contemplating on how I wanna have my workflow between game and editor look like

[void condor]

architecture-wise it makes sense for the game to have some editor capabilities, like you need to toggle debug vis and you want to interact with and inspect some stuff

guess I focus the whole asset handling first

[void condor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUtdAtSA29s

[grizzled laurel]

nah im deleting my messages now, other people need to joy of hearing this without any spoilers. This video is too insightful

[void condor]

good call 😄

[clear dome]

WTH xD

[neat smelt]

it's important to have a variety in that regard. sometimes you want it, sometimes it's best to go a road less traveled...ass it were

[ionic badger]

Hey Daz, with haxui and cppia. How'd you go about getting haxeui stuff in the host? If I do the include I get macro conflicts and if don't recurse it, I get link errors on the client. Also did you do Toolkit init on the host or the client?

[void condor]

I think I plastered the problematic haxeui parts with #if ... or something

[ionic badger]

dang it, that's what I think I did and was hoping you had a better solution 😄

do you exclude the problematic parts from both scriptable and cppia or just the scriptable side?

[ionic badger]

can't figure out what to exclude, if i exclude macros, it messes up with the components

[void condor]

Need to check if I still have the code. Its been a while

In other news: I finally have another week of vacation now

Oh, and Im hiring. If you know smart folks that match my attitude, be sure to lemme know

german language & locate south west germany a must

[ionic badger]

I checked out your fork of haxeui but it still had the same issues so i'm guessing it might not have been commited

Oh, and Im hiring. If you know smart folks that match my attitude, be sure to lemme know
semmi 🙈

[green breach]

yes hire semmi

[void condor]

not yet. Im still disappointed. He told me he thought Im part of the FNF crowd

😛

the exakt german quote is even funnier & insulting #development message

[ionic badger]

lmao

[grizzled laurel]

Lmfaoooo

[ionic badger]

CallMember haxe.ui.components._VerticalScroll.VerticalScrollLayout (0x5da2da2dce14 0x5da2df9846a0) 'get_verticalSpacing' fallback
What does this error on cppia client mean? I thought it meant there was a problem with finding the class but if i look in the export file, the files are all compiled on the host

[void condor]

is the getter inlined?

[ionic badger]

nope, most fields aren't and some are actually normal functions

VecticalScroll (Module) -> VerticalScrollLayout extends DefaultLayout extends Layout I think all the functions are under layout

dce is off

Layout is present in the export file

[ionic badger]

another question, If I want something to be compiled in the client (and it is available through libs) shouldn't it automatically get compiled into the client if used?

Invalid super class 'simple.Rectangle' for 'TestClip'.
simple/internal/RenderLoop.hx:72: Exception: Missing super class
Called from cpp.cppia.Host.runFile (cpp/cppia/Host.hx line 45)
I'm getting this, where it seems to not be able to find the parent - but it should be able to just compile that class - no?

[void condor]

https://www.zmescience.com/science/news-science/mathematicians-just-found-a-hidden-reset-button-that-can-undo-any-rotation/ - wtf, mind blown

[void condor]

great, us-aws-east-1 is down and half the internet is broken..

[void condor]

ok, my brain is slowly drifting into 3D problems

which is a good sign

I need a nice material system that spans from visuals over physics to audio

[neat smelt]

vindicated for using all the niche aws choices

(they were just cheaper)

[void condor]

@green breach gonna look into your castle PR now

anybody got a clue if shiro actually ships cdb files or if they just use it for dev?

hmmm, they shipped dat files and with wartales they switched to pak files

[green breach]

lol I hope it works. I made it on a Chromebook so it was really tedious to test

[void condor]

hmm, I might just pull things apart

[void condor]

ok, one these moments where i wish there was goto in haxe

[green breach]

Do whatever

[void condor]

I hate everything nodejs so hard

I cant even get electron to install properly

[void condor]

AAARGHH

Im getting angry

[green breach]

Huh. What is the error?

I didn’t really have any problems with it

[pure oriole]

said dazKind to nodejs calmly

[void condor]

electron installs just lock themselves up

classic nodejs version bullshit

but im not messing with that

I downloaded the windows version and started it through steam

[green breach]

LMAO

[molten sleet]

haxe-evolutio-

[void condor]

My brain is sooo unhinged sometimes

[grizzled laurel]

"sometimes"

[pure oriole]

sus

[void condor]

in order to get the first editor iteration done, Im testing the prefab pipeline that is based on blender + gltf, but since I dont wanna do the composition of entities in blender manually I wanna checkout how to marry it to a central castledb database. For the cdb iterations I need my castledb editor but it is fucked for me under linux and I have to run it via steam+proton and it looks like ass. So I go ahead and study the whole editor code in detail and figure that it is possible to be re-written as a cortex ui application since I have all important stuff.... except a multiline textfield, so I look what to do to make that work and to do it endgame "right, once and for all" I need to replace the whole nanovg rendering backend with vg-renderer and integrate it with Skribidi for font, textshaping as well as its text editor....

So from looking how I could build levels I ended up back in UI land. unhinged, what can I say, a normal day in my brain

[grizzled laurel]

and do you reckon that cdb is capable enough to scale, even if you decide to make games that are currently wayyy bigger than what you are currently targeting (in terms of the "size" and/or "scale" of game)?

Personally I've never used cdb, so genuinely curious how well it can hold up

[pure oriole]

what is the thing that cortex cannot do bleh~1

[void condor]

here is a fun fact: castledb drives all shiro games. All of them. ncannasse initially set it up as a pretty small json based DB but had plans to make it run on sqlite in case where the dynamic json db wouldnt scale anymore (there is some old code hidden) but that was never necessary

[grizzled laurel]

My thinking is that CDB (seems to be) designed to store game metadata (npcs,, shops, items, etc). To me grouping entities seems like quite alot more entries compared to something like storing metadata

[void condor]

fusion reactors

[green breach]

Reading castledb source is an interesting look into the brain of ncannasse

[grizzled laurel]

ncannasse seems like a lovely guy to talk to over a beer XD

very smart guy

[grizzled laurel]

I suppose that means you could always change the "adapter" or "backend" to make it scale as you want to

but with the nice "frontend" of CDB

that makes sense, good choice

[green breach]

Good developer too. He just lives in a different bubble than the rest of us. We all have pretty similar styles given we have roughly the same influences.

[void condor]

not sure what you mean. I used cdb heavily in the past, eg organizing hundreds of material definitions (15gbs of materials + assets) to convert shit from unreal to godot. You can do quite a lot in its structure. As for my games, I want a central place where you define archetype-like component templates

also a unified material system

I have it all laidout. now I just need to rewrite the castledb editor

[grizzled laurel]

Yeah I've never used CDB, I've mainly seen it in the video about the shiro stack (in which it was shown to be used for storing enemy data, items, etc). Thanks for the clarification though on what it is capable of.

I never would've known it is that powerful

[grizzled laurel]

I suppose so, yeah.

[void condor]

if you bought any shiro game, you can unpack the *.pak files and checkout their cdb files

[grizzled laurel]

I don't think I have... yet atleast

I'll defo check out CDB sometime though

seems like it's pretty cool (and more powerful/flexible than what I initially assumed it would be)

[green breach]

Are you going to implement a level editor too?

Just integrating LDTK sounds better to me

[void condor]

fuck the level editor

nobody needs that

[green breach]

lol

[void condor]

Im kinda toying with the idea to compile the cdb-lib down to python so I load cdbs & use them directly in a blender plugin

then the game/editor/blender work on the same source of truth

and blender materials can directly link to cortex materials etc

anyway, I have some unhinged coding to do

[void condor]

tweaking debug visuals

[ionic badger]

Error: In file included from ./src/cpp/vm/tracy/Cppia_TracyProfiler.cpp:6:
/home/j/Documents/Projects/cpp/MyProject/haxe_modules/hxcpp/include/hx/TelemetryTracy.h:9:10: fatal error: /home/j/Documents/Projects/cpp/MyProject/bin/cppia/obj/linux64-debug/__pch/haxe/hxcpp.h: No such file or directory
9 | #include <hxcpp.h>
| ^~~~~~~~~
compilation terminated.
Trying to use tracy, any ideas what's going on here?

[void condor]

comment that line

not sure why the include is there. I think under windows the include paths are different

[ionic badger]

woooow that's so easy, works fine - super thanks 😄

[ionic badger]

weird tho, why does it work for you out of the box and not me

wasn't there a way to get it to to map directly to the haxe code? its mapping to the cpp code for me?

[void condor]

You have set all the defines correctly?

[ionic badger]

-D HXCPP_TRACY
-D HXCPP_TELEMETRY
-D HXCPP_STACK_TRACE
-D HXCPP_STACK_LINE

I am using tracy 0.12.2 if that matters?

[ionic badger]

Oh wow, affinity has merged all of its apps into a single one and it will be completely free

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP_TBaKODlw

[green breach]

Huh neat. Wish it had Linux support

[void condor]

hmm, sad. free never means free. free means they pivot to user-data, most likely ai-services