💀 Cortex Engine

[void condor]

sadly that's not true for anything nodejs or typescript. dts2hx has ts 3.7.4 as dependency pinned. these days it's way past 5.x

if you go pure with hxnodejs things are likely fine

[ionic badger]

I am running on nodejs but I'm barely using hxnodejs

mostly just exposes the sys apis

[ionic badger]

i think the only dts2hx thing I use is some generated discord externs

but I've been building on top of it for years because dts2hx stopped working a looooong time ago

[pearl slate]

dts2hx: typedef foo = OneOf800<...>
edit: typedef foo = Dynamic

[ionic badger]

yeah lol

[pearl slate]

and its not even "right" half the time

[ionic badger]

typescript moves too fast for it

[pearl slate]

i prefer to hand craft externs, but for some things (like Highcharts) its just too big

[ionic badger]

yeah, well our next hope will be go2hx to generate our typescript externs

[pearl slate]

is that a thing?

[ionic badger]

It's on the table!

[pearl slate]

how?

[ionic badger]

typescript is getting rewritten in go, so go will have access to all the details that you would theoretically need to generate externs

[pearl slate]

oh hang on, you mean turn go code into haxe -> js?

[ionic badger]

nono, i mean actual typescript to hx

[pearl slate]

typescript is getting written in go? That doesnt change the output though does it? I mean, i dont get how it could generate js externs

[ionic badger]

shadow said it becomes possible

[pearl slate]

typescript is a js generator, like haxe afai understand

[ionic badger]

i forget the technical reasons why @lethal talon explain your smartness

[green breach]

im guessing you would just reuse the parser

but make your own haxe output from that

[pearl slate]

thats a reflaxe type thing then?

or is suppose significantly simpler, extern generator really (which is all dt2hx is)

[green breach]

you could already do something similar with swc_ecma_parser from rustland

[pearl slate]

it sounds interesting / exciting, but feel like its defo more effort that it sounds... still have to get the externs right, and in js / ts land that all over the place

[ionic badger]

it's a "down the road" kind of thing either way

first priority would be go2hx

[green breach]

for sure (to both)

[clear dome]

If it’s just for internal framework stuff, casting you js stuff to Dynamic is actually not that bad

[ionic badger]

performance wise sure, but typing is always nice

[clear dome]

Unless you don’t really need the typing

[ionic badger]

need is subjective

[clear dome]

Like, the only places I need to do actual js calls in Ceramic is in the web backend for very specific stuff written once and forgotten forever

[ionic badger]

i'm just looking after future me when i inevitably forget the type or details x)

[clear dome]

Valid use case imo is if you plan to do very extensive use of some js api in the long run. Otherwise… why bother?

[ionic badger]

i'll do some basic typing to get things working

It isn't much extra work

and is a nice safety net

[clear dome]

Sure, if that’s not a lot of methods/fields, that works too 😄

[ionic badger]

if its something larger, i'll typically type just to dump it on github

i made firebase externs in the past, i went pretty crazy with those

i even copied over all the comments for the api's i ported 😅

https://github.com/Jarrio/firebase/blob/master/firebase/web/firestore/Transaction.hx still all there 😄

https://github.com/Jarrio/firebase/blob/master/firebase/web/firestore/Firestore.hx 🤯

[clear dome]

Yeah I used to do that kind of thing until I realized it was actually ok not to do it. I just wanted things to be « perfectly clean and tidy and properly typed » for the sake of it and in order to sleep well at night

[ionic badger]

yeah

these days i don't really make much externs

i don't really need to

[clear dome]

I’m much more strict regarding user-facing API

[ionic badger]

next time i'll probably take it as an opportunitiy to see if i can autogenerate something

if i want something large

[clear dome]

Last externs I did were language server protocol types. But I actually used a llm to do it

[ionic badger]

llm can do externs? lol

[clear dome]

I gave Claude the last spec of LSP: https://microsoft.github.io/language-server-protocol/specifications/lsp/3.17/specification/ And asked it to write Haxe externs. It needed multiple iteration to get it right, but eventually I got something pretty accurate, so at the end it was a much faster way to make those externs

[grizzled laurel]

this is the perfect usecase for LLMs imo

I think I've said it before, but I'll say it again

LLMs are perfect for "transformation" of data, not "generation"

[clear dome]

Yeah I agree, if some day I want to update to a more recent spec version, I can just ask it to do it, using the new spec or a changelog document for reference

[molten sleet]

Its GENERATING externs...

[grizzled laurel]

yes and no

quite literally it is creating the "work", that being externs, out of thin air

however, with "generation" I mean creating out of thin air.

(for example: "Hey claude, create me the next social media platform of 2025")

When you give it a spec and ask it to create externs it is not creating it out of thin air, because it actively transforms data that is in the context of the LLM.

Now you could debate that everything LLM related is technically "transformation" because LLMs are trained on data. But that is also not the transform I mean.

[pearl slate]

"hey dev team, create me the next social media platform of 2025" also isnt going to get you anywhere

(im not "LFG LLMS!", but its a bad argument is all 🙂 )

[grizzled laurel]

I specifically mean relative to the context you the prompter give it. do you give info? "transformation", do you give a command without info? "generation"

[grizzled laurel]

xD

[grizzled laurel]

Let me rephrase slightly, if you ask "Claude, make Haxe JS externs for LSP" it is "generation", if you ask it that and attach a spec it is "transformation"

[pearl slate]

that feels valid

does that mean if you give a developer a spec and ask them to write some code based on said spec they are also transforming? (i would argue yes, with the added bonus of appreciation of nuance)

[grizzled laurel]

Yeah

[ionic badger]

translating seems like a more accurate word here

[grizzled laurel]

I personally find it a very unique debate because one could argue that humans are only transforming information too

In what capacity is a human generating new information compared to transforming

You could even go as far as to say that reasoning itself is generation as you combine multiple pieces of data, with maybe some transformation to create brand new data completely derived from existing information

[pearl slate]

this is a the crux of it to me... LLMs are spitting out "things they have seen before"... and, in a way, so are we

[grizzled laurel]

Yes.

It is a very hard thing to think about

[ionic badger]

If you're using the "mind" it is always historical/from the past

[pearl slate]

the important difference, to me, is that we actually understand what we are spewing out (or at least think we do)... im not talking about code here, just general cognition. I know "what a train is"... i know more about than "it looks like a train" (but it looking like a train is amazingly important)

[grizzled laurel]

That is true

But we don't even know what understanding truly is

Maybe LLMs already have understanding

[pearl slate]

amen, this is a deeply, deeply philosophical point, that humans have really worked out yet epistemologically

[ionic badger]

an llm is an attempt to reengineer "the mind", however, the mind isn't what "you are"

so in isolation, it isn't possible for it to "understand"

[void condor]

lol, no

[clear dome]

I remembed having a debate about robots in Detroit Become Human with a friend

[pearl slate]

but the point stands that LLMs cant have an actual position about something like epistemology (for example). They can regurgitate things (which is often what humans do) but they cant have a considered point (regardless of the outcome) - ie, they cant actually reason abstractly

[clear dome]

I was arguing that an ant is more alive than a very sophisticated robot that acts very close to a human being

He didn't agree

[ionic badger]

hey, its basically like a human a with no backbone/character 😄

[clear dome]

The game is trying to make you feel bad because "robots are suffering"

But at the end it's just our own projection that makes us think they are suffering

Machines that looks perfectly like humans is no proof that they are human

[ionic badger]

ants are insanely alive, have you ever just "watched them"

there's no debate here 😄

[pearl slate]

we got one of those house cleaning robots, gave "her" a name and half joke about "her" working too much - instantly anthropomorphized it... its human nature to project as you say

[grizzled laurel]

What if understanding is just connecting information to other information, where reasoning is a sort of "advanced sort / lookup / transformation" of data. In that case AI would have understanding greater than our own because of just how well it can connect information. Reasoning on the other hand it could lack

It all depends on what one refers to with understanding, reasoning, sentience, thoughts, etc

All these words mean nothing in practice

[clear dome]

Personally I really make a difference between:

• what a human feels about their relationship with a robot
• that the robot "feels", or in other words, the absence of feeling of the robot for that human, even if it looks like it feels something

[void condor]

guys. It's just PREDICTING THE NEXT WORD!

[ionic badger]

😂

[shut oracle]

It's not really an attempt to reengineer the mind, it's just text generation 😅

exactly

[clear dome]

A human could fall in love with a robot, and that could be a truly authentic feeling for that person

But at the end, the robot is not feeling shit xD

[pearl slate]

exactly, and so are you more times than not... but, there is nothing truly original coming from it... its not a reason based approach

[shut oracle]

We are anthropomorphising it only because it speaks to us via a chat interface 😅

[ionic badger]

No, I know that's what its doing, but the general "idea" is to replicate what the "mind does"

[clear dome]

Yeah, no debate here, at least not for me 😄

[grizzled laurel]

This is personally the same way I feel about LLMs

[ionic badger]

Just like a plane replicates wings

[grizzled laurel]

Also I don't consider this a debate, just a fun discussion

[clear dome]

It just made me think about that discussion I had with that friend

He was saying I have no heart because I didn't care about the robots xD

[ionic badger]

yeah, i don't think there's a debate going on here

[pearl slate]

i dont think LLMs are this huge thing, they absolutely are just anticipating with probabilities, which humans do so instantly we dont notice, but we, unlike llms "put it through rigorous consciousness"

[ionic badger]

lol

you know what he's doing right

[pearl slate]

we have experience, and bias, emotion and reason... llms are just "this makes sense after this" (which again, humans do ALL the time)

[ionic badger]

he's basically trying to pretend to be on the robots side if they ever takeover

[clear dome]

Ah ah maybe

[ionic badger]

ai in everything is defo a bit lame though

[clear dome]

Wait until half of Discord users become AI bots

[ionic badger]

they're almost certainly working on that

an easy engagement trap

[clear dome]

Where is Billy by the way @ionic badger

[ionic badger]

we don't talk about billy

[molten sleet]

Is he 6ft underground

[shut oracle]

I see, I thought by "reengineer the mind" you meant recreate the processes of the brain, which is definitely not what it does 😅

[ionic badger]

🤫

[molten sleet]

Answer the question 👿

Where is billy 👿

[ionic badger]

🤐

[clear dome]

NotBilly BotBilly

[pearl slate]

it does attempt to recreate, at least some, of the processes of the brain though doesnt it? The probability based prediction analysis part... ... ?

[clear dome]

(or BotMilly)

For sure we humans have a much higher tendency to do generalisation over deduction. Simply because the former is usually much more doable than the latter

[ionic badger]

they're the same thing really 👀

[pearl slate]

(im sounding like im fully into the AI hype, and im really not, but it is interesting where you draw the line philosophically)

[clear dome]

And LLMs are doing a lot of generalisation too

[ionic badger]

I think it's fair to say that all of us in here understand what AI is and isn't

its still a nice and casual philosophical topic either way

[shut oracle]

Yeah, all AI is meant to mimic "human intelligence" to some extent, but I don't think llms are very informed by in depth understanding of how human brains handle language (something not understood very well), that's what I would consider to mean "reengineering". Maybe "recreating" like you said is more apt

[ionic badger]

i think AI is simply trying to mimic "thinking" but I don't consider thinking "intelligence"

[clear dome]

I'd say LLMs are very sophisticated imitators

[pearl slate]

yeah, agreed, parts of human "intelligence" (like pattern recog) are low hanging friut probably... but i also agree, its not actually thinking it through. I guess my point is, often (especially in language) we arent thinking it through either... its just "what feels right"... i often dont know why something sounds wrong in english (grammatically), but i defo know its wrong

[pure oriole]

AI my behated 🥀

[pearl slate]

(semi related, "'the language instinct' by steven pinker is a great read, way before LLMs, but feels relevant more now - might reread)

[lethal talon]

dts2hx used the typescript compiler in js, the issue is that it was undocumented and not easy to plug into, now with the Go rewrite there will be an official API for the compiler and because it will be in Go, the typescript compiler will be able to be transpiled into Haxe code making it easier to plug in and use it to make dts2hx 2

[ionic badger]

@pearl slate

[lethal talon]

I should call on someone even smarter then me on the matter @finite vault

[void condor]

styles for scrollbars ✅

[void condor]

i cant deny it, i like working on engines 😜

[pure oriole]

right, working on car cat engines?

[ionic badger]

building/working on anything irl is really fun

[shut oracle]

cartex engine

[grizzled laurel]

do you go on roadtrips with it?

also, how do you drive that on the autobahn, i assume you mostly avoid the autobahn and pick the more fun roads

but if you have to drive on the autobahn, do you stay glued to the right lane?

[void condor]

Sometimes but I drive it pretty regularly. It's usually drive->repair->repeat 😄

[grizzled laurel]

xD

[void condor]

Reading such old articles is sooo entertaining. It's about setting up assets for the original Soldier of Fortune and you can learn a lot on how Raven's id tech2 fork worked back in the day

https://www.moddb.com/tutorials/simple-model-creation-in-sof

That's sooo simple, elegant and just works....

waahhh the sdk is here and we can actually look at the code he is describing! https://github.com/d3nd3/sof-sdk

[void condor]

holy fuck... you think you have seen it all and then there are 2 guys that casually do a clean-room reimplementation of ... Half-Life in QuakeC... !??! https://github.com/eukara/freehl

we have come a long way from modding sdks

[void condor]

I guess the reason I like working on old cars is the fact that it's simple, yet elegant and highly functional tech. The complete opposite of any mainstream software development reality these days. We dropped the ball so hard when it comes to web-dev and software in general that I constantly gravitate to these simpler approaches. Also part why I like working on cortex soo much. I can just grab the essentials and arrange them in a smaller package

and when it comes to web, some day I defo wanna try to improve https://github.com/rainyt/hx-http-server/blob/main/README_en.md , combine it with htmx and create a small kit for building web-apps.

[hollow spindle]

I thought those two metal squares pipes were a shotgun

[green breach]

dazkind is german not american

[molten sleet]

PFFFFT

[grizzled laurel]

yee haw

[obtuse burrow]

@void condor a new tracy version came out two days ago and it seems like there's isn't compatibility between 0.11 and 0.12

i.e. trying to use 0.12 with hxcpp gives a version error on connection, seems like hxcpp vendored lib will need to be updated

[void condor]

k, makes sense

[void condor]

preparing PR

[void condor]

argh, guess I need a clean fork, it is pulling over all our previous commits that have been squashed on official

[void condor]

ok, all cleaned up

@obtuse burrow https://github.com/HaxeFoundation/hxcpp/pull/1231

[void condor]

xD

[void condor]

merged 🙂

[grizzled laurel]

time to rebuild tracy with -DLEGACY again for my linux machine xD

[clear dome]

Unrelated, but related to what we were discussing before here: got my 48Gb macbook pro M4 Pro, what should I test on it? xD

I'm downloading Qwen2.5 32B to see how it performs (if it performs?)

OK, while it was crashing my previous mac

It runs just fine here, with a pretty fast token rate

Fans turning on when pushing it with local LLM, which is not so surprising, it's taxing the hardware a lot, but nothing to compare with crazy fans I can hear on some other laptops

[molten sleet]

quackintosh

[clear dome]

qwen is definitely typing faster than me

It's fairly good in french for a local LLM also

and not so bad in Haxe

Overall, it's quite impressive that something like that can run on a laptop!

So, Qwen2.5 32B is as fast as Mistral NeMo 12B was on the previous mac (which was the de-facto model I could use that support multiple languages), and obviously, Mistral NeMo 12B is super fast on that new machine now. That really unlocks new possibilities for "smart tooling" that runs locally

[molten sleet]

batching time

[ionic badger]

AI can really be a crazy positive feedback loop can't it

oh? you're experiencing positive outcomes from x?

DO MORE OF THAT

😅

[molten sleet]

?

[ionic badger]

wdym

[void condor]

stretches

too much work these days. I think Im gonna hire like 5 devs till the end of the year

[dusk anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/test-monkey-phone-call-you-give-us-money-we-test-gif-17729460

[dusk anchor]

I think last we spoke you have a team that you work with for your company. Would cortex be its own thing?

[void condor]

Sry, this was about my dayjob, too much work atm that leaves me with too little freetime for cortex

[dusk anchor]

Ah, gotcha. Hope you are able to work things out to free up some more fun time. You are a wizard Daz 🧙‍♂️ and way too kind.

[void condor]

rant: Whoever came up with tailwindcss... I hope they stumble into a blackhole

[green breach]

Rip Adam

[dusk anchor]

https://www.ibtimes.com/earth-may-already-be-inside-black-hole-scientist-says-2822343

[molten sleet]

this just

doesn't make sense to me

tailwind is so much better than regular CSS its not even funny

[clear dome]

What’s wrong with tailwind?

[clear dome]

I can really see one hating Tailwind because of the noise it could add in the markup, but it also addresses the need to keep markup and styling together as a single unit instead of trying to separate them on a separate stylesheet (which is not always the best option, very context-dependant). One could argue that in that case you could use inline CSS but this doesn’t allow to enforce consistent rules on a project, and things like hover/active and so on are simply not possible with just inline CSS. I’m not a particularly big fan of the tailwind way of writing things, but I’m definitely getting what it’s trying to solve, because these are problem I definitely hit in past projects

Tailwind is apparently very LLM friendly too because of the self-contained nature of the tailwind-flavoured markup, although I don’t really care much about that aspect. (But it could explain why it’s getting used even more those days)

[void condor]

It's trying to solve a poblem that is not a problem. Sure it saves you some typing bc you use the classes as shortcut instead of style directives, but you gained this shortcut by introducing a lot of complexity like scanning your sourcefiles, learning a concept that is exclusive to a lib(using classes like they are directives + syntax) and generating a shitton of classes that still depend on global vars that are kept outside

My world is simpler. Markup is structure&content, CSS is Layout&Visuals.

all you need a small preprocessor that make managing your css easier.

also dont get me started custom properties / cascading vars

[clear dome]

The point of Tailwind is to address cases where the "markup = semantics" and "css = layout/visuals" logic is not the most relevant, by instead offering a system of pieces of predefined styles that you put together at the same place with your markup (and again, some of that is simply not doable with basic style attributes, which is imo a more valid argument than "typing less" for going to the former instead of the latter). So it really depends on how your mental model works and what you are doing. I did work on web projects in the past that were organized around that "separate layout/visuals from markup" logic, and although sometimes that's the way to go, in other situations you'd rather have everything in the same place to reduce the cognitive load of having to check multiple moving parts in order to do some change or just understand what's going on. Sometimes it's just easier to manage if you don't separate the semantics from the visuals/layout. Again, there is no on-fits-all solution here, it all depends on context, but I still think Tailwind is an interesting and useful take in some projects

Talking about simplicity, as often on tech utilities, Tailwind is trading some simplicity (having to parse the codebase to extract class names) in order to gain more afterwards. It's all project and context dependant, and Tailwind is definitely not the standard that should replace CSS in general. It's just useful in some specific situations

[void condor]

it gets the job done, sure. But it's an abstraction that locks you in and hides the actual stuff people should know how to handle

[clear dome]

(and especially in the web/js/fullstack area, developers have a tendency to see something that is useful in "some specific situations" and then want to put it everywhere and make it the new standard for 6 months (until next hype))

[clear dome]

I mean, maybe for some developers. As far as I'm concerned, I've 15 years of raw CSS experience, so I know what I'm doing 😄

15 years 20 years (shoot, I'm old)

[void condor]

This is just me ranting about webdev in general. The other day I looked at an interesting supabase extension and it was just a bunch of unnecessary infrastructure around random ass package managers around some simple migration-files... This pattern is literally everywhere, its website has more code than the actual shit you care about

25 for me

[clear dome]

Oh this I'm with you, layering nonsense on top of more nonsense... which is actually bleeding a lot outside web dev

It's just that regarding Tailwind, when I read the author's article about it, I was really like, "yep, been there, I really see what's it's solving", so if I'm using it on a project, that's not just because it's a trend or "the industry standard to use those days"

(if I wanted to use industry standard I wouldn't use Haxe anyway)

[void condor]

one of my devs ask me where I put the cli pipeline + package manager for that package, coz he didnt see it anywhere and I told him I just copied/forked the migration files over. His mind was blown

Fuck the industry standard

You want mediocrity, you do industry standard

[clear dome]

"why you don't use Unity for your game?" 🤪

[ionic badger]

"what's the point of haxe, it looks just like typescript"

[void condor]

same pattern. 95% of Unity games dont need an full engine like Unity

[clear dome]

"that library is dead, everyone moved to XYZ" (talking about a lib with 10000x haxe's userbase)

[clear dome]

Yeah, it's just the InDu$tRy St@ndArt

Videogame industry wants to be like the film making industry, with everything streamlined, jobs very well defined and tools that are the same everywhere

[ionic badger]

it's more about quantity rather than quality

Rapid fire in the hopes that there's some tune that goes viral, milk it then repeat

[clear dome]

Not necessarily a matter of quantity over quality. It’s more about having streamlined standards and tools so that the pool of worker is easier to manage and more interchangeable within and between game studios. Just like if you do video editing in the film industry, your skills and software knowledge is basically the same in most film studios. But video games have been evolving a lot and for me it’s a net loss in diversity if you try to standardize too much

(And it ties the whole industry to a few closed source software providers)

[green breach]

Brb making a game in avid media composer

[ionic badger]

bruh, i just asked ai a topic and it generated an example class, with 100% the same function names and within that function the local variables are the same as something i've already written

was about to say i've never shared it with ai... and then i realised i might done so in a similar but seperate convo lol

[molten sleet]

AI memory is a thing

[hollow spindle]

I've used all of grok 3's context limit in just a few minutes when trying to god damn convert a 128kb cs file to haxe code

Now I need to wait until tomorrow at 1:30pm

Jesus I'm surprised by how smart it is though

[void condor]

once every 2 years I start playing homeworld remastered and it ends always the same: I wanna smack my fist through my screen, fuck you gearbox.

the whole control scheme is sooooo fucked

and buggy as hell

[clear dome]

Take it easy, there are plenty of other (good) games

[clear dome]

Are you alright @void condor? 😄 (or maybe just very busy, or just on holidays?)

[tall veldt]

I ate dazKind. Sorry, was hungry

[peak kestrel]

Did you gain some new powers?

[void condor]

Oi! Sry, yeah got a bit silent here. the end of a quarter is always an exciting time at work

so yeah, very busy but in a very good way. work on cortex slowed down but is still ongoing, im just not sharing as much as before

[void condor]

Ok, since I switched to Linux, it's time to make cortex work under linux 🙂

[molten sleet]

🎉

you better have both X11 and Wayland support >:3

[void condor]

I fail to see why that would matter

[void condor]

hmm building tracy is a bit wonky if you dont have wayland

took some tweaks but it runs fine under x11 now

[void condor]

hmmm, I think I will rework the whole project into a monorepo

[grizzled laurel]

even with wayland it is kinda wonky

you'd have to use -DLEGACY to get a titlebar (the flag makes tracy use GLFW for windowing)

and even then stuff like scaling isnt picked up from your display, which is kinda annoying

[void condor]

I just disabled anything wayland with a single define and it worked 🙂

[grizzled laurel]

lol

is your monitor high DPI?

mine is, so that could be causing issues

the display on my linux machine is 1440p at 14"

[void condor]

one of them is

though I reduced the resolution since the little intel iris needs to take care of it

[grizzled laurel]

hmmm

odd

[ionic badger]

it would be nice to have had a full timelapse of your Linux setup 😂

[grizzled laurel]

very likely to just be the average wayland shenanigans

[ionic badger]

'this is how you do things'

[grizzled laurel]

also looking at that screenshot reminds me of something

the flame graph

I swear that feature is soooo good

[void condor]

it would start with blinking screens and end with a victory dance

[grizzled laurel]

xD

[void condor]

Im so happy now

just played CP2077 with RT on ultra

about 40fps

a windows game on linux

[green breach]

Proton works really well

[void condor]

are you kidding me?!

😄

[green breach]

if only fusion 360 worked well with it

[void condor]

my only downer is that affinity photo is mac/windows only. I need to wrap that up in some bottle

but anyway, focus, FOCUS!

There is soo much shit broken on linux with cortex

will take the opportunity to rework everything into a monorepo so I dont get mad

[ionic badger]

It's your problem solving process I want to sponge off you 😂

[void condor]

I actively try to teach/coach this to my devs at work

It's simple: accept & admit that you dont know shit about the problem you have and you promise to never stop till you are in control of said problem

the results vary...

[clear dome]

Yep, mostly same for me, too much software I would miss if I moved to linux

[void condor]

turns out you need certain character traits that make applying this easier or harder

[clear dome]

About monorepo you mean?

[void condor]

nah, about me teaching my problem solving style

[clear dome]

Ah right

Yes I agree. Some people may think a problem can’t be solved if it’s outside of their comfort zone

And you have the opposite: kinda ignoring or just working around the problem without solving it

[void condor]

I dubbed my approach "Paths & Nodes, the art of getting shit done". If you ever see a book with that title, buy it. One day I release it

[clear dome]

At least at my workplace, it’s a necessity to constantly hit places you don’t know yet, but that’s also the interesting part and what makes you learn

[void condor]

I hate that with a passion

true

people like to tell themselves fancy lies to keep their world under control

[grizzled laurel]

ah yes, our beloved copium

[void condor]

fuck that

MONOREPO TIME

[crystal grove]

I should name my things monorepo lol

[clear dome]

Everything is possible, my current project is haxe running on a php environment

[ionic badger]

I have taught myself this to some extent, but I'm missing some of the other 'piecing together' steps.

it's also very likely that I just lack technical skills in less areas, I would say I've only managed to properly switch to this in like the last 5 years with it being more fluent in the last year. But I'm 32 now 😄

[ionic badger]

I used to do this a lot, I do still do it these days but it's more because I'm prioritising rather than avoiding

Most subjects I need to dive into that I 'can't do' it always seems like it's new terrain, which is fine, but new terrain might be 1 mile or 10, and I want to finish my shit for once ya know? 😄

[void condor]

I do basic pathfinding with backtracking. at every node you do an ooda loop and decide if you keep that process. You do this till you reach your goal, ideally keep a low complexity

[clear dome]

I like that. Getting things done is just A-Star-ing your workflow 😄

[void condor]

Totally. But it's actually D-Star, since the map is never static nor fully known 😛

[clear dome]

Fair enough

[ionic badger]

Yeah but, take yesterday as an example with my monitor issues on Linux. Whilst I haven't confirmed if your command would give me significant hints, I have certainly never come across said command in my research or when asking Linux communities and I've spent a lot of time on it, obviously in efficiently

I'm under the assumption you got your setup done without consulting another human?

[void condor]

I google and use AI a lot then filter through the noise. concerning linux: I work on debian servers daily and had to debug shit a lot. Anytime something acts up it's likely shit gets logged somewhere in a system or servicelog. Anything concerning drivers/hardware has to go through the kernel and dmesg is where you can check that

[ionic badger]

Actually it appears like Zeta did give me the command, just not with the same parameters

[void condor]

-Wis for following along from the current point in time. otherwise you need to filter through boot and shit

[ionic badger]

That's very useful

[green breach]

Yeah we had you run dmesg

I couldn’t find anything in the logs you provided last iirc

[void condor]

my hunch is there is no error but a pattern of stuff that happens in sequence, that's why you need to follow the kernel log while it happens

find the events that happen when your error occurs then check what the messages are about and which device/driver they originate from. In my case the errors with my screens/gpu had to do with PCIe powermanagement states that caused my display manager to fuck up

but in all honesty, in your case you might just have a broken hdmi cable

wouldnt that be funny? 😄

[green breach]

I mean it works on windows iirc?

[void condor]

I have no clue

power rates and freqs might differ

[green breach]

I’m lucky that Linux seems to actually like me

Never have problems lol

[ionic badger]

yeah windows works fine no problems

But I'm trying to pick at the problem solving skill rather than the Linux problem specifically

you have it really fine tuned 😄

It bugs me 🤣

[void condor]

it's a blessing and a curse

The other day the noise cancelling and microphone switches on my headset broke

[green breach]

can i ship my macbook to you to fix

[molten sleet]

I'm lucky - everything just works with my linux setup

that might change when i install linux on my main pc, which has an nvidia gpu

[green breach]

which nvidia gpu?

[void condor]

I decided to take a look

[molten sleet]

RTX 3070

[green breach]

should be fine if you get proprietary drivers, they are relatively decent for modern nvidia gpus from what I hear

[molten sleet]

I hope so

[green breach]

... were you able to get it working

WAIT ARE THOSE THE HEADPHONES

[void condor]

THEY ARE

it escalated

HERE WE DONT TAKE "BROKEN" FOR AN ANSWER!

[void condor]

should be fine with closed & open drivers

[ionic badger]

heh 😄

i see no curse

[green breach]

i'm the same way but instead of fixing everything i break everything

[ionic badger]

I can get myself into that state, but then I want to fix every problem that appears

[void condor]

You cant fix something that is not broken. so you are halfway there

[void condor]

nono, fix only the important stuff

[ionic badger]

which is a problem, because not all problems need addressing

[green breach]

i fix my 3d printer on a daily basis so i am pretty good with that

(pro tip: never give creality your money)

[ionic badger]

yes! priotising 😄

that's why i'm on a modded windows 10 instead of linux

[molten sleet]

Discord just
Voided the message i was typing
FUCK

[ionic badger]

the main issue is when people come to me with their problems

[void condor]

why's that an issue?

[ionic badger]

its easier to prioritse my own, but other peoples issues have its own kind of fun

the temptation to engage becomes higher

[void condor]

make them pay you, win win

[molten sleet]

Wayfire doesn't have any working hotcorners implementations
And the decor plugin im using doesnt support changing per-application

so guess who's gonna learn meson, wayfire's plugin api, and fork pixdecor

[void condor]

I dont understand a single word

[molten sleet]

Wayfire - Wayland compositor i'm using
decor - window decorations
pixdecor - the decor plugin in question

[clear dome]

Cool fix. Too bad so much hardware is becoming unfixable junk. I sent back a backpack (not even high tech stuff) I ordered online because the zip was broken. After 3 weeks they told me "we can't fix it, we give you money back"

(my guess is that it's definitely fixable, but it would have been more expensive to do so than refunding me..)

[void condor]

yeah, ecommerce is especially trimmed that way

[clear dome]

I still hope they didn't send my backpack to the incinerator right away

[ionic badger]

it'll likely just be sold discounted somewhere

[ionic badger]

You're so cool

[neat smelt]

It's cyberpunk now

[void condor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdpD5QIVOKQ

pretty cool language talk

[void condor]

Ok, first baby steps for cortex in our new linux home

[green breach]

i would be interested in trying it out on fedora

[molten sleet]

adding to this, i'd be interested in trying on Arch

[neat smelt]

I am also interested, but I suppose as a mint user also I'm in the 'most supported' group

[void condor]

cool, it will need a few more fixes first

linc_timestamp seems to have issues on linux

[void condor]

tracy builds also work ❤️

[lethal talon]

I love Tracy I'm so happy you brought it to hxcpp!

[clear dome]

Been using that with ceramic for years on linux too, what’s the issue?

[void condor]

you're welcome 🙂

[void condor]

im seeing a clear difference of deltas between platforms. it might have to do with the scheduler I use. gotta investigate

[void condor]

Turns out that it is the other way around. I have some insane fast frames between longer ones

it's related to bgfx and shows for vulkan and opengl

[clear dome]

Weird

[void condor]

gaaaaah

linc_filewatch under linux doesnt support events in a folder recursively. under windows it does

[clear dome]

great, JUST GREAT

[void condor]

gonna patch the hell out of it

[void condor]

ok, recursive file watching now works for linux as well. gotta clean up the events now

[neat smelt]

Cortex will have better Linux support than hashlink soon

[ionic badger]

I think hxcpp itself supports Linux quite decently

[void condor]

hxcpp platform support is impeccable

[molten sleet]

hxcpp and hl just work on linux whar-

[molten sleet]

so

annoying thing

slang doesnt allow generating combined texture and sampler for glsl

[molten sleet]

shit.

[neat smelt]

huh you can just talk to nvidia devs on discord?

[molten sleet]

Its the slang shader server

[void condor]

tonight's coding night

gonna lock all doors and then finally push for some stuff

@green breach @molten sleet @neat smelt You mentioned you would wanna try a *nix build. you are wayland folks, correct?

[grizzled laurel]

if you need wayland testers, I'll also be available.

currently running on fedora

[molten sleet]

Yes

Wayfire (wlroots 0.19) on Arch

[green breach]

Yup. Fedora GNOME

[crystal grove]

Daz saw Jeremy's +21k LOC and saw it as a challenge haha

[neat smelt]

I'm x11 still, mint Wayland is 2026

[void condor]

? no idea what you mean

[crystal grove]

All documentation tho

[molten sleet]

dang

[void condor]

seriously, can we stop with the cat gifs here

[pure oriole]

cant i express myself like this..?

[void condor]

not here

[pure oriole]

not even in this server?

[void condor]

on the server you can do whatever. this channel is mine

[pure oriole]

im deleting the gif if you want to

[void condor]

delete it. it's super distracting

[pure oriole]

there

[void condor]

thanks

[crystal grove]

Cortex adjacent, but I am enjoying using state charts. I need a slightly better workflow using the visual tools online

[void condor]

nice to hear. I actually have a small java app that takes statecharts on stdin and returns a layouted version of the graph

it's based on https://eclipse.dev/elk/

i used it at runtime to visualize the graphs in hxgodot. But for cortex I wanna include it in a debug macro

since layouting is only ever done once

[crystal grove]

The macro more or less prevents me from quickly iterating logic at runtime, so something like that may be worth my time to make. Iterate and visualize logic completely outside the game

And without copy pasting into a website

[void condor]

well...

the joy of monorepos 😛

[ionic badger]

lmao

[void condor]

I switched all my stuff into a private gitea

[clear dome]

Big fat commits that is

Probably the largest amout of API docs I ever commited in a 48h timeframe

[pure oriole]

oh my additions

[void condor]

ok, cortex-core supports frame throttling now. meaning a standstill UI app like the editor wont try to render at 7k fps when Im busy in blender

cortex-ui also integrates with this, so animations/transitions/layouts will render smoothly. if there is no infinitely looping shit this actually super nice

same for default systems like camera controllers or scenes

[void condor]

This is how context-based throttling looks in action. Actually feeling comfortable building desktop apps now 🙂

in the background you see the load of the gpus, obs and stuff on the radeon and the cortex apps on the 3080

gah is this video upload broken or something

[ionic badger]

i was watching it

😠

[void condor]

there you go again

[ionic badger]

aaahh it's static

[void condor]

on my end it doesnt play here embedded

[ionic badger]

its music playing on top of a screenshot

[void condor]

yeah

if you download it, its fine

[ionic badger]

maybe not using h264?

[void condor]

ah

for some reason I had HEVC in obs selected

[void condor]

wtf, now obs screen capture is super slow

it was rock solid 60 fps before, now its 38

it's visibly lagging my desktop

hmm

[ionic badger]

software encoding turned on?

[void condor]

nope, obs uses gnome's screen recorder

had to add an experimental setting that seems to work

back to 60 rock solid

there we go

[void condor]

ok, so I moved all my stuff to a private Gitea setup, turns out that it is unbelievably smooth and nice. the perfect blend between gitlab and github

really makes my new mono-repo setup shine

[ionic badger]

this seems so cool, your app basically uses 0 gpu in non rendering scenes

[void condor]

it's super chill. though part of the reason is that there is nothing fancy going on.

and that will change 😄

[hollow spindle]

This sounds like AI

[void condor]

bc it is

[void skiff]

pozole

[grizzled laurel]

awesome!

[void condor]

I love linux

[void condor]

gaah

my ui macro is soo fucking slow

it takes 1.6secs to generate 2k lines of code

like wtf

[molten sleet]

and we never got the cortex linux test 😔

[void condor]

it's still on the list. Once Im happy with the setup it will happen. I basically refactored big parts of the engine so it's more modular and has better tooling for working on several projects at once

[molten sleet]

🔥

[void condor]

im back to square one with obs

There is something fishy going on

OBS or rather Qt takes a shitton of frametime to render the obs ui.

[void condor]

pretty interesting talk, stole a lot of ideas from this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcYq18bkvyU

[grizzled laurel]

ohh its that channel

i watched a talk about a meshlet rendering pipeline yesterday

also from REAC 2025

really cool talks that the speakers host there

[void condor]

yeah

[hollow spindle]

And dazKind left this server

[grizzled laurel]

No?

[tall veldt]

I'm going to cry, how will we cope without JazzyDazy

[hollow spindle]

I bet you it's a bug on discord

[void condor]

Stop being an idiot. I blocked you ages ago. That is why you dont see shit

[hollow spindle]

I forgot about that

[void condor]

nothing has changed

[hollow spindle]

Fuck

I was, for a lack of a better term, fuckin high all the way back in 2024

[hollow spindle]

But I changed. I was just a shithole today thinking "oh, this user left the server". I can't believe discord just fuckin made it that way when a user blocks you. That's just petty imo.

[molten sleet]

"oh no blocked people cant see my shit"

[grizzled laurel]

Different topic: is the cortex t-shirt from a while back still alive?

Or did the print get absolutely wrecked after a few rounds in the washing machine

[void condor]

Oh, the print holds up quite nicely, better than anticipated

[grizzled laurel]

awesome!

[crystal grove]

Ok statecharts + haxeui is going super well. Both have code "injection" a la macros, so even without a fancy visualizer, it is sooooooo much easier to navigate the codebase of my UI-heavy project

I modified createChartFromXml to take a file since that's easier for me, may PR that as a simple second function or something

[crystal grove]

The haxeui event handlers are mostly all calling sendEvent(x) and statecharts is manipulating UI element visibility/etc based on the state transitions

So the same button sending the same "Button1" event gets handled correctly per state. Which is the whole point, but it's just so much more organized than in code

[void condor]

Sounds awesome! Totally reflects my experience. I hate playercontrollers with a passion since you have soo many parallel yet interdependant states & actions and it always deteriorates into a spaghetti-monster battle. With statecharts it became super easy to even catch the nasty edge cases.

[void condor]

Sure, feel free to submit

[pearl slate]

so you are using statecharts to drive haxeui?

[void condor]

given statecharts' nature, it's quite easy to model app-logic with them. Especially if you keep them decoupled from components. https://statecharts.dev/how-to-use-statecharts.html has a nice example of how to wire up an UI app to a statechart

The real killer is that you can easily re-arrange/re-model parts of the chart without having to mess with/refactor implementation code, it allows easy gradual increase in complexity where needed without having de-/entangling everything with spaghettis

[pearl slate]

its pretty interesting, and you have a haxe impl of statecharts, correct?

[void condor]

sure, here: https://github.com/dazKind/statecharts

I didnt finish the history state yet, since I didnt have a need, but that will come eventually

This is used in cortex is various parts

[pearl slate]

interesting stuff... 🙂

[crystal grove]

Yep like daz said above is how I’m using it

And then an itemrenderer/container has an event listener that just sends a specific “select” event, stuff like that

[void condor]

pretty cool!

[crystal grove]

Thanks for open sourcing it haha

[void condor]

It was simple enough 😄
Im currently working on a variation of the lib that is able to persist live-charts into a DB. It's a prototype for a workflow engine that is completely datadriven

e.g. you write a chart in xml, load it and run it at runtime while all callbacks are distributed functions on separated workers

[void condor]

https://www.tomshardware.com/software/programming/github-folds-into-microsoft-following-ceo-resignation-once-independent-programming-site-now-part-of-coreai-team
Kinda bummed out about this.

github is slowly becoming a the central data sink for Microsoft AI training and opensource will get harvested for AI slob, and all our work in the middle of it

[ionic badger]

what's a decent alternative

i don't mind github for public, but i'd like to keep my private stuff... private

[void condor]

Im slowly transitioning to a private locally hosted Gitea with my personal stuff

[green breach]

Codeberg is good but private repos are limited size wise

[void condor]

I have run Gitlab before, but it gets a bit unwieldy over time. Gitea feels nice so far

[ionic badger]

does it work fine with vscode?

oh wait, it's all just git lol

[green breach]

It just git yeah

[void condor]

dude, it's just git 😄

[ionic badger]

was just programming chart tooling, mind was in a completely different place 🤣

[green breach]

https://www.visualjj.com/

Have you seen this? It should work with codeberg I assume

I use jj on the terminal and it is great

[ionic badger]

i don't really need something like that, my gitfu doesn't go past some commands and vscode's gui

self managed sounds cool, but, i guess i'd need to figure out the host part

[green breach]

Main three alternatives are Gitlab, Codeberg, and sourcehut

[ionic badger]

they have ai as well? 😄

[green breach]

Each have their pros and cons. I just use GitHub bcs I am lazy.

Yeah. That is the con of gitlab.

[void condor]

https://about.gitea.com

[ionic badger]

I was okay with github under the og founder, not that i ever knew much about him, but given he built it, i suspect he walled off a lot of things microsoft may have wanted to do

[green breach]

I remember gitea having some drama

[ionic badger]

i don't particularly care about drama, i just care about what it does and if it does what it says

[green breach]

Forgejo seems to be the trendy fork, so I would just use that. It is what codeberg uses so probably more battle tested.

Gitea itself doesn’t even use gitea, always left a weird vibe

[ionic badger]

wdym

[void condor]

no clue. Setting up a gitea instance via docker takes about 2 mins and you have a fully functional setup in your local network with no fuss. And concerning battletested, Blender is using Gitea for everything

https://projects.blender.org/blender/blender

[ionic badger]

aren't you losing a lot of the benefits of git by having it local though

[void condor]

....

[green breach]

Gitea and forgejo are both self hostable git forges. Gitea does all of its development on GitHub whereas forgejo does development with forgejo itself.

[ionic badger]

you know what i mean

[green breach]

You would host it on a vps or something

[void condor]

git is decentralized?! You can easily just git init a local folder and be happy forever, if you want a little more stuff like automation and UI you need a bit more

[ionic badger]

yeah, looking into that now

[ionic badger]

ahh, i don't think that matters much, i just made that distinction when i saw the news daz linked

i immediately thought... hmm, i'm okay with public + github, but private i don't want that to be fed to ai

[void condor]

git is literally designed to clone from other users 😄

not from central instances

[ionic badger]

interesting, i mainly see it as an external backup/history source 😂

[void condor]

same

[ionic badger]

do i get another vps, do I bite the bullet and build something small for home

[molten sleet]

There's git.gay - idk

I'll stick to github for now, its microsoft's problem if they yoink bad code

[crystal grove]

I was considering building a home one casually, but might speed that up now

[void condor]

I guess vps only makes sense if you wanna have remote-access / external users

in my case it's easy since I run a server/nas inhouse anyway, just slapped the docker image on it

[ionic badger]

I found some nucs for under a 100 so I might pick one of those up

i also found that it has quite low running costs

its really not a bad deal for £75

better hardware than a vps, more storage and price would get covered within 18months

[ionic badger]

haaa got an 8% coupon, so got it for £69

[void condor]

I always forget you live in the UK

[ionic badger]

the fun country 😄

[void condor]

It's been a while since I was over there (25years)

gotta change that at some point, lotsa places I wanna see

[ionic badger]

where abouts are you daz

[void condor]

I live close to Benz- & Porsche-City aka. Stuttgart (ger)

[ionic badger]

ahh yes, how could i forget

not too far away

[void condor]

pretty central eu-wise

[ionic badger]

yeah

probably an hour or two travel by plane

[void condor]

yep

[neat smelt]

My git setup is
Local gitea server on vm on proxmox (this is backed up to another machine with PBS), then I use gitea mirror to also mirror my public repos on codeberg. I moved from github to codeberg a little while ago because it began to smell bad there, and after this leadership change I believe I was right

[hollow spindle]

But I changed. I was just being an asshole in front of the whole chat but I don't usually talk to you anymore.

[green breach]

specs?

[ionic badger]

https://ebay.us/m/MfhoWT

[green breach]

why that over something like https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/396963518115

[ionic badger]

costs 4x more to run

doesn't really provide much benefit over the other one besides being better hardware

[green breach]

ah right forgot you are british. in america we toss all our energy into a massic energy hole and it is a patriotic pasttime

[ionic badger]

Most people behave like that regardless of where you're from 😄

[green breach]

main issue with the celeron is that it is apparently limited to 8gb of ram, which as a server can be chewed through

[ionic badger]

under what conditions would it get chewed through

[green breach]

depends what you are doing, I assume it isn't exclusively going to be used with forgejo/gitea

[ionic badger]

pretty much will be, but even if not I have a hard time believing I need substantially more for something like this

haxebot and my database vps packages are way 'worse' than the nuc

and both of them never have any issues with performance

haxebot has 1gb of ram and 1vcore

it's even running that docker container you made 😂

[green breach]

i should work more on that container

i figured out a way to prevent fork bombs from killing it

[ionic badger]

nice

[void condor]

That time of the year when I have to relearn that EReg is NOT threadsafe

[void condor]

esp tricky when you use dependencies that preallocate ERegs as static vars. but with the mono repo setup I can just patch everything

[void condor]

these fucking scrollbars are a real endboss. Had some issues since I did the math all over the place, rewrote it to make the whole picking process easier

[void condor]

lolol, even more side effects 😄

[void condor]

ok, adding an exclusive input-mode based on mouseDown solves the issues

that just made the whole ui more user-friendly since moves dont have to be pixel perfect contained in whatever your are dealing with. damn

[void condor]

ok, now that soo many things are fixed i decided to add a quick debugger feature similiar to what heaps' DomKit is doing. Difference is that it is controlled by a CSS property and thus can be invoked by any pseudo class ❤️
Allows inspecting every reachable control in the UI and check styles & changes 😄

[grizzled laurel]

the blinking containers are almost in-sync with the music

almost

Also, looks awesome! Cool work you've done :D

[void condor]

almost 😄

[void condor]

So, one goal with the monorepo setup was to make dependencies visible and figure out what cortex entails. Turns out quite a lot... 60k lines of Haxe depend roughly on 1.5mio lines of c/c++ 😜

[grizzled laurel]

danggg

[void condor]

ofc not everything is pulled / used, but it covers a lot of ground

[grizzled laurel]

Also daz, I think I might have found an issue related to HXCPP's Tracy integration. I'm still investigating but if this turns out to be the case, would you want me to send my findings here, in DM or on git?

[grizzled laurel]

still though, 1.5m is ALOT

[void condor]

you can do that here

[grizzled laurel]

oki

[grizzled laurel]

Yes ok

so

It seems like that when my program exits right after threads are exiting things go wrong

Now the reason for this is simple, whenever HXCPP_TELEMETRY is defined it also defines HXCPP_STACK_IDS (https://github.com/HaxeFoundation/hxcpp/blob/be7ef02b785cf9cac8377b0ddbeef5026aa65221/include/hx/StackContext.h#L195)

now, there is a call behind this flag to sStackMap.erase whenever StackContext::onThreadDetach() is called (https://github.com/HaxeFoundation/hxcpp/blob/be7ef02b785cf9cac8377b0ddbeef5026aa65221/src/hx/Debug.cpp#L306)

And a bit later this happens

That is why this only happens when I have tracy enabled and not on my builds without tracy (note that both are release builds)

Now why exactly sStackMap.erase() is problematic? I don't know (yet), but I do think this is worth further investigation.

Also sure enough, sleeping before actually exiting the application seems to be a valid hack to get around the issue (but it isn't great)

[void condor]

hmm

So you are shutting down while the threads are still dangling?

[grizzled laurel]

Basically, I set a shutdown flag (which is guarded by a Mutex)

after which I release the locks that makes all threads sleep while there is no work

They wake up, see the changed flag, then exit their loop

[grizzled laurel]

And because of this, it seems like it causes issue regarding that stackMap

I don't know if this is user-error and I should wait until everything is done, or if this is a hxcpp issue. Because other than the stackMap I don't get any issues when shutting down.

[void condor]

Are you blocking the mainthread till all of them exited?

[grizzled laurel]

No

[void condor]

Here is how I deal with it in cortex:

I send a special shutdown task to each worker and then I block till all of them returned

[grizzled laurel]

I see, guess I'll do that then

So it is expected from me to wait until all threads are actually gone?

[void condor]

Your issue looks like the mainthread shuts down hxcpp while the threads still wanna work with it

[grizzled laurel]

My main concern is that if I set some kind of shutdown flag or use locks to make the main thread block until everything is done, is that I will still run into a race condition where internally it is still doing onThreadDetach but whatever keeps track of my thread already has marked it as shutdown

But do you think this is issue-worthy or no?

[void condor]

it is expected to keep things around that you depend on in your threads 😄

[grizzled laurel]

The thing is that I don't do anything with the theads after shutdown has been called on the pool, so from my end it should be OK (maybe). But internally it seems like HXCPP is still doing stuff

[grizzled laurel]

Anyway, I'll try and block the main thread until all threads are done, but how would you handle this?

[void condor]

imo it's quite simple: Shutdown is the inverse of Boot. hxcpp init is first so hxcpp shutdown should be last

your threads get created after hxcpp init so you need to close them before you do hxcpp shutdown

embrace the symmetry 😄

[grizzled laurel]

I guess I will indeed do that

If the thread gods suddenly decide to cast another segfault on me related to this I'll let you know 😄

Thank you for your help daz

have a great evening!

Also, on a different note

https://api.haxe.org/sys/thread/Thread.html I saw that there is a setName() function

perhaps this could call the setThreadName function for tracy?

[void condor]

Here is the shutdown of cortex. Note the arrow, this when the selected function cleans up the threading stuff of hxcpp runs. I shutdown my threads ages before that in a coordinated fashion

[void condor]

oh, that could be interesting

[grizzled laurel]

indeed it could be :D

[void condor]

ah I remember

if you fold it into sys.thread.Thread you lose the groupHint

[grizzled laurel]

Aha

I see

What if you inline it though?

(specifically forced inline with an extern inline)

That should work, no?

[void condor]

? You dont have the hint in the std functions. How would you bypass that

[grizzled laurel]

Oh, sorry

Seems like I misunderstood

[void condor]

Like there is a custom parameter for tracy that is not included in the std setName function

so implicitly naming stuff for tracy is rather moot that way since you might wanna use the grouphint to cleanup your charts in tracy

[grizzled laurel]

Yeah that makes sense I guess

Just tried out groupHint, I see what you mean

Oh well

thank you for helping me out :D

[void condor]

np

Im just chilling writing more ui controls while singing to AI music

This AI shit really generates some gems https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DK714V3Grw

THEY SAID U SIMPLY JUST WALK!

[grizzled laurel]

there is something funny yet scary about it

i could prob vibe to it but the crunchy drums kill my soul

[void condor]

We need some models that extract midi tracks

[grizzled laurel]

that would defo solve that issue

but then it's less profitable for the companies creating those models

[void condor]

yes, fuck them

[grizzled laurel]

bring-your-own-instrument is a cool idea but yeah not everyone wants that so it's not profitable XDD people just want to ask "give me a ringy snare" or "give me a trashy snare"

[grizzled laurel]

indeed XD

[void condor]

cleaning up the styles is fun 😄

[void condor]

finally reached the point where I can safely grind all kinds of components. Taking a bit of inspiration from shadcn-ui. Themeing also works nicely

[void skiff]

that ui looks so nice

[void condor]

thx! the styling system is crazy powerful and Im trying my best to come up with something that doesnt look like programmer art 😄

[molten sleet]

cortex!!

[ionic badger]

pretty cool and very easy to migrate the projects from github 😄

[neat smelt]

I found the same. It's as if they predicted github exodus as their user acquisition model.

[grizzled laurel]

how easy is it to mirror a local (private) gittea to a public github repo?

[void condor]

it's just git 😄 You can have multiple upstreams and branches

[neat smelt]

Daz is correct, but there is also a built in feature to do this in gitea, so that you only push to the gitea remote and it mirrors to github or in my case codeberg.

The setup is ui based and you only enter your private access token and repo url.

[grizzled laurel]

Yeah that is what I'd like XD

Lovely, will probably migrate then

[clear dome]

You guys are so funny, git being just git, it can be migrated wherever you want ha. But btw, why this sudden will of migrating from github? Because of the github ceo thing?

[void condor]

It's time to no longer continue private stuff on GH or move it elsewhere

[pure oriole]

yayy my code will now be fed to an ai wtf 🥀

[neat smelt]

It's time to move on.

[pure oriole]

what do i switch to-

[neat smelt]

Beside that, git is just git, but forges such as github have non git features that present barriers to migration, such as actions, issues, and so on.

[neat smelt]

If you don't want to self host some popular options are codeberg and git.gay

If you don't need a forge, just using git cli in a folder and backing that folder up to a cloud storage provider is sufficient

[clear dome]

Well, most of my repos are public and open source anyway

[ionic badger]

yeah, I'm happy for public stuff to be on github, just not private stuff

[molten sleet]

Im gonna miss actions and gh

[grizzled laurel]

Personally I use TeamCity alot

I can recommend it :D

[ionic badger]

these things can have actions and I'm going to argue that most people don't NEED to use self hosted

[clear dome]

I’m just genuinely questioning whether « alternative hosted service » can be trusted more that github or not

[ionic badger]

It's self hosted, so I think the main concern becomes hardware and setup

cloudflare has this cool thing called tunnel which allows external access without exposing ports

[green breach]

I use Tailscale for that

[grizzled laurel]

CF Zero Trust is really nice

personally my go-to solution is a cheap VPS from some german provider (contabo, hetzner, etc) that forwards network traffic to me locally

[clear dome]

Teamcity isn’t and Gitea is not necessarily self hosted

[grizzled laurel]

TeamCity is also self hosted

[clear dome]

I mean, it can

Personally, I don’t have any use of a self hosted github alternative

[grizzled laurel]

yeah understandable

[clear dome]

I would be more interested in a cloud hosted service I can trust, for the extra safety of having my code at different locations (what github does)

Or for CI stuff I don’t want to host myself either

[grizzled laurel]

I guess it depends on the kind of consumer you are

I think alot of people might not have an "use" for using self-hosted git or CI tools. But the changes happening at github could be enough reason.

The main question is: do you care enough to switch?

Enough people don't care enough (or not enough yet)

Some people care enough to actually switch

and others do care but simply can't be bothered to switch anyway because of concerns or inconvenience

Personally I don't think self-hosting git is truly "useful" for anyone (in 90% of cases) except big companies, but, there are still benefits you can get out of it

Those benefits could be something as simple as peace of mind

[clear dome]

I probably don’t care that much honestly, but I also don’t put very critical data in my git repositories. Some private code ? Sure, but not that much of a big deal unless the llm is able to spit the same code to anyone else afterwards

[clear dome]

This is very relative, peace of mind doesn’t necessarily ring well with having to self host your stuff, can be quite the opposite. Not having to manage the self hosting is peace of mind for me

[grizzled laurel]

Very true XD

For some people self-hosting does give peace of mind, for others it's a nightmare

[ionic badger]

what are you qualifying as self hosted

it's not so much about peace of mind for me, I just want my private code to be private

and I think there is a clear conflict of interest with AI company in charge and private repos

my little home server was setup in a few hours and it was pretty painless

[clear dome]

Yeah that’s a valid point but self hosting is not free in terms of efforts, you add it to all the other things you need to manage yourself already

[ionic badger]

management costs, will see in time, from what I can tell at first glance there isn't going to be much management cost

[clear dome]

I have a tendency to think most git host providers are going to become this anyway, that’s the way it is those days

[green breach]

stares at the spot where genkit once was

[neat smelt]

Of course nothing is guaranteed, but if one service explicitly says it's doing things I disagree with, and another explicitly says it is not, all other things being close to equal of course I will pick the second service.

[ionic badger]

it seems like that, rather than going through the wack a mole game of provider hopping, I'm just hosting my own and gonna forget it

[grizzled laurel]

shhhh we don't talk about that

trust me I would never lose any codebase

ever in my lifetime

[clear dome]

You still need to see the bigger picture, whether other aspects of the service are good or not, track record etc…

[neat smelt]

I think this is not likely. To run ai at scale currently you must have a lot of money, as no ai compute provider is currently turning a profit when investment capital is removed from the equation. Even if a small provider like codeberg wanted to do such a thing, they would need to attract a lot of investment first.

[grizzled laurel]

If I managed that I surely would be a h u g e idiot no?

[neat smelt]

"all other things being close to equal" is the bigger picture

[clear dome]

If a smaller provider doesn’t have the money to train an AI, I could question whether they have the money to make the git hosting secure and reliable. Code is too sensitive to ignore this. What if « not enough money » means cutting costs on security, reliability?

[neat smelt]

Firstly, I should clarify that my threat model does not include this; there is nothing on my public forge accounts I wish to keep private, I simply don't want to be involved with github

[clear dome]

At this point, said in another way: I just don’t trust other providers more than I trust Github

[neat smelt]

Secondly there is an order of magnitude difference between the costs of ai compute and of file hosting

There is a trend currently where many service providers are investing a lot of resources into things I don't want or need, so obviously I will try to find other services in those cases

[ionic badger]

but trust with what, it's not clear what you're trusting, because if 100% of your code is public you don't really have any reason to care either way

[clear dome]

I still have some private repos

[neat smelt]

Especially when either the cost of those features are being passed to me via subscription cost increases, or by usage of my data that I did not approve but is opt-in by default added after the initial agreement

[ionic badger]

how much do you care if they were used to train ai

[clear dome]

Not that much

[ionic badger]

then the only benefit for self hosting (imo) isn't there

[clear dome]

Exactly

Burden > Benefit

[ionic badger]

I'm really not sure if there are alternative benefits other than simply maintaining the distinction between private and indirectly public(ai)

given how easy it was to setup (for me) I'm not sure there's much burden either

[clear dome]

My private code is mostly project specific code. Even if some patterns from it are outputted by an AI, that’s not really a big deal

Storing credentials and secrets in the repository are bad practice anyway so avoiding that

[clear dome]

I’d be concerned about the long term reliability of the data, having to make sure you don’t ever make the mistake of deleting something accidentally and so on

[ionic badger]

isn't that a user issue? there's nothing about github that protects against that either

[clear dome]

GitHub has protected branches, and they are handling the server safeguards (redundancy/backups etc…)

So it’s very hard to make a destructive mistake

On the other hand, self hosted gives plenty of room for that

[ionic badger]

gitea Just seems like a reskinned github, it also has protected branches

and if you wiped your repo with a force commit squash, there are no backups on github for that

[clear dome]

I’m not talking about end user api. If you self host, you are responsible of keeping your storage safe

[ionic badger]

I'm pretty sure there's an infamous meme github issue where that exact thing happened

and there was nothing github could do

ah it was on vscode

[neat smelt]

Even the very privacy minded only need to set up a periodic compress+encrypt+upload to cloud storage step to largely mitigate this risk

[ionic badger]

yeah but that's in the realm of burden

and management

but I'm just saying, github doesn't provide free backups like that outside of their own faults

[clear dome]

That’s what I say : more burden

[ionic badger]

I just put a good quality drive in my little nuc that I had lying about

and any cloned repo is automatically in 2 locations

granted the locations are both in the same house, but, backups are a very rare thing people do anyway and data centers do have fires regardless

[clear dome]

Definitely an issue for me, that’s

[ionic badger]

what is?

[clear dome]

Having both backups at the same place

[void condor]

Any "free" service is/was never free. The fact that you dont have any explicit AI policy on free or pro GH accounts should tell you enough. Your info/work (inkl. private) has been used and will be monetized

There are explicit policies / eulas for business & enterprise, btw

in any case, you guys can decide what you contribute with your work to. and you contribute automatically if you are using GH or any other hosted provider, just the way it is

The next 5 years will be awesome 😄

no fucking stone will be unturned

btw, Im running selfhosted gitlab in several companies(different sizes) for ages now, it's really not a hassle to make sure such a stack has everything the business needs

with gitea it looks like it's even easier

[ionic badger]

gitea was very simple

no hassle at all

[clear dome]

Totally makes sense for business stuff. Just not sure I need that for my few personal private projects

[ionic badger]

depends on the value you assign to the projects

[void condor]

again, you relinquish control. You dont want it, you are good to do whatever

[ionic badger]

gotta remember, this is essentially an indirect way to take your intelligence at no cost

I'm okay with giving some of it away, but all of it? no thanks

[clear dome]

I don’t pretend my private code is super intelligent stuff lol

[green breach]

my private code is FLAWLESS

[ionic badger]

it's not the point, I know it isn't

but it's my effort and something I value, if you don't care for it that's fine, I'm not arguing that one is better than the other

[clear dome]

Let’s say I spending a lot of efforts on many aspects of my software dev, using Github is an acceptable compromise at the moment for me

[ionic badger]

I'm only making these statements because of the probing, my main decision was simply based on 'I just want my private code to be private'

[clear dome]

Sure that’s a valid point, not arguing against it

[ionic badger]

I don't think Microsoft is evil and one should abandon it or anything like that

but I do think if one expects something to be private, I don't want to have to monitor asterisks

[clear dome]

As long as you know what to expect from Github-flavoured private repositories, you can take an informed decision about using it or not

[ionic badger]

exactly

I was never saying one should go self host

but I am surprised by how easy it was to setup

[neat smelt]

Between gitlab admin and gitea admin I've found the main place gitea is easier is upgrading. Upgrading gitlab can be frustrating.

I haven't any complex dev ops with gitea, but if it was nicer there too it would be a big advantage

[ionic badger]

Seems like they're all using the same base, and, I'm guessing all the Web interface is doing is just parsing some kind of api or local file structures

might be a cool project for wisdom to put on the 'I'll never get to this but maybe list' lol

[clear dome]

Not wise at all!

[ionic badger]

i think the list that project is on is wise 😂

[green breach]

https://github.com/libgit2/libgit2

[ionic badger]

neat, so the web interfaces just use this under the hood to get the data? or at least something like this?

[molten sleet]

If there was a github alternative that didnt have such a shitty ui i'd switch

[green breach]

something like this, yeah

[void condor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGLNyHd2w10

[crystal grove]

Yall got me curious about a private server, but I think I just need to understand git and Linux better to make multi computer dev work more smoothly

I had to make my repo public for 30 sec so I could pull it to my laptop bc I don’t understand credentials lol

I feel like it’d be easier self hosting but because I put so much extra work in beforehand

[void condor]

defo try it at some point. ofc you fare a lot better if you know the git basics

man I love the fact that I can just hack css like that

[crystal grove]

Changing repo settings and forking and pulling libs is just annoying at the airport haha

[crystal grove]

Need this theme for haxeui

[ionic badger]

I didn't really need any git knowledge, I just asked Claude how to set up gitea on Ubuntu server and it wasn't much to get it running locally

[void condor]

I think you can easily once I release it. It's really just a basic setup. You define like 3 colors and the rest gets generated.

But in essence Im just taking a lot of queues from shadcn ui comps

[crystal grove]

I mean including the styling of individual components like the slider, not just the color scheme

The default haxeui is fine, but my artists don’t like looking at it 😅

[void condor]

Oh, then here you go. It's the generated css. The DOM might be a little different but maybe you can port it.

[crystal grove]

Yeah I can figure that out, thanks

[void condor]

Also some of the selectors might not work in haxeui

[ionic badger]

I have a similar slider style, mines in haxeui if you want the styles for this

[crystal grove]

I think I just need to actually style a component for once and realize it’s not so bad lol

[ionic badger]

it's not that bad, if you have any experience with normal html and css, it's basically the same except you may have to dive into haxeui components source code or css files to figure out what styles what

but 8/10 times, its not a difficult thing to do

[crystal grove]

No css experience that’s the problem 😂

Need css target for Haxe

[ionic badger]

it's just fancy objects

[clear dome]

Same spirit

[void condor]

lol, just hunted a weird bug, turns out it I was fucking myself with a scope issue around a switch statement...

more style clean up, wired stuff and radio buttons 😄

[void condor]

hmmm, at some point i need to rework the gradient styles. turns out I never went past the original background gradient of Haxeui. I feel it could be worth it, esp if animated with multiple stops

holy fuck, never realized that the colors of my super old color palette work super well in gradients...

[void condor]

waaah, this is soo smooth sailing now

[void skiff]

better than haxe-ui

🗣️ 🔥

[void condor]

[showcase] cortex' ui system is finally reaching a point Im quite happy with. the DOM, CSS & layouting are kicking ass and I'm finally down to implementing all kinds of cool controls/widgets to enable my 3D tooling ❤️

[somber wagon]

just curious, haven't been following cortex development.

How far along is cortex?

this is really good btw, great work dude 👏

[void skiff]

omg the uicustomrenderable and the scroll looks so nice

[void condor]

imho, It's about 60% where I want it to be. we are close to reaching heaps levels of capabilities in terms of engine systems. Big points still on my list is revamping/finishing audio, physics(jolt), animations(ozz), particles and the editor. Since it is a lot going on I moved everything into a monorepo setup so I can build & test all kinds of things all at once

[crystal grove]

PR’d if you didn’t see it

[void condor]

yep, ballsy 😄

I'll prolly mod it a little so there isnt an explicit string check necessary

[crystal grove]

That’s fine, I left it open for edits

[void condor]

Holy smokes https://x.com/FFmpeg/status/1925235293591871669

FFmpeg (@FFmpeg)

Now a 102x speed improvement using handwritten assembly

https://t.co/Z6Z51gBt4c

X · May 21, 2025, 5:00 PM

[somber wagon]

holy fuck

[molten sleet]

Holy mother of speed

[pure oriole]

ffmpeg is now.. 102 times faster..??

[clear dome]

Cool stuff

[void condor]

@green breach @molten sleet @neat smelt

linux build of the ui-demo

[molten sleet]

I dont have access to my system for another 2.5 hours sadly

[void condor]

np

[void condor]

high dpi 😄

[ionic badger]

I'm running 1440p as my resolution atm at 125% scaling

native res is 4k

[void condor]

yeah

lemme see if I can add support for this real quick

[green breach]

@void condor

I can run it in gdb if that helps

(stuff like this makes me glad flatpak exists)

[void condor]

what happens if you change windowMode to fullscreen in project.cortex?

[void condor]

looks like wayland is broken

[green breach]

looks like cortex is broken :p

[grizzled laurel]

XDDD

[void condor]

thought I covered it correctly

rephrase: looks like wayland+sdl is broken in cortex 😄

[grizzled laurel]

linux users: "what do you mean?!?!? this application doesn't work on my setup with blah window manager blah desktop enviroment blah distro and blah (50x) weird configuration stuff"

"clearly it is the application and not my super duper specific setup"

[green breach]

ok but i am using stock gnome on one of the most popular distros

[grizzled laurel]

yeah that is fair, but that comment does get me thinking of the other linux users out there

didn't direct that comment to you specifically, but it did defo remind me of it XDDD

i find the linux landscape/community hilarious

[green breach]

[grizzled laurel]

[void condor]

maybe I didnt wire up the wayland stuff correctly. guess that is what I get for not testing myself and using you as debug-runners 😄

[ionic badger]

the "it's not linux's fault" drives me crazy

[grizzled laurel]

I know right!

[ionic badger]

it doesn't change anything

[grizzled laurel]

like respect to hardcore linux folks but i find it funny how they are smart enough to make all kinds of software work together right in crazy configurations

yet if it does not work with said configuration usually the blame goes to application devs

xD

(not saying it applies here, but in general)

[green breach]

That is the goal with flatpak and stuff, containerize the application away from all the special stuff that people break on their systems

[grizzled laurel]

Yeah, I like flatpak and use it quite often

but I have ran into a few issues with it

but it is a good initiative

[clear dome]

!billy is the « my dpi isn’t working with your tech » guy apparently

[green breach]

yeah yell at billy not me

[grizzled laurel]

DPI is my arch enemy

[ionic badger]

hey, i'm just helping you guys have a good product

scaled operating systems are common x)

[green breach]

notbilly is running at 1440p res on a 4k display using linux mint with a custom kernel

[clear dome]

I though I solved it until !billy spoiled the evening

[green breach]

with an intel arc gpu and ryzen cpu

[grizzled laurel]

oh right i remember that

[ionic badger]

the 1440p is only because i was playing overwatch

[grizzled laurel]

didn't you rollback those changes?

or am I mistaken?

[ionic badger]

he did, but i'm still using it HAHA 😄

[grizzled laurel]

XDD

[clear dome]

Yeah no worries, I want to support those case well

[grizzled laurel]

yeah i hate when stuff just doesn't scale well

my laptop is 14" at 1440p

so 209.8 PPI

[ionic badger]

it is important in general

[grizzled laurel]

which is uhh, hard on the eyes if not scaled

[ionic badger]

a bit of a side question, why do we not see much runtime resolution/scale adjustments in haxe frameworks?

[clear dome]

In the case of Ceramic, the migration to SDL3 messed things up a bit, but that’s definitely fixable, just need to focus on it some day

[ionic badger]

is it just an awkward thing to do

[clear dome]

Dpi is a mess in general

[grizzled laurel]

understandable, iirc they changed alot about handling of displays in SDL3

SDL2 support for it wasn't... uhhh... great.

[ionic badger]

i'm guessing there's no standard api for it?

[clear dome]

I think I know already how to implement things correctly, just didn’t have the time to unroll it

[grizzled laurel]

from my understanding it is os-dependant

[ionic badger]

defo is

[clear dome]

SDL is helping with that, but my quick fix that you are still using is not correct. You are just lucky it works for you

[grizzled laurel]

but in windows specifically there are multiple APIs for it from what I know

with various levels of features

[ionic badger]

it works on both windows and linux though 😄

[grizzled laurel]

dunno about linux

[ionic badger]

i think macos is just unlucky here 🤭