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grizzled laurel Apr 11, 2025, 4:36 PM

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Many of which also have their own disadvantages

molten sleet Apr 11, 2025, 4:36 PM

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Im gathering all the info i can

molten sleet Apr 11, 2025, 4:37 PM

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grizzled laurel Many of which also have their own disadvantages

Can i have an example

ionic badger Apr 11, 2025, 4:39 PM

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the way to learn something is to break it down into small pieces, to the point you understand it

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you might know things like batching, instancing, but in the context you're doing them, these things are new

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try to do these these things in the context that you're in, you'll have some idea to build on

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it will be a kind of 1.5 step

molten sleet Apr 11, 2025, 4:42 PM

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I kinda have a grasp on it?

ionic badger Apr 11, 2025, 4:43 PM

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yeah but it's a new context

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use that "kind of" to get you some ground in the new arena

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its not necessarily the "only" way to go about things, but you're struggling so why not see if you can work out something you kind of know

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it lowers the weight a bit

molten sleet Apr 11, 2025, 4:47 PM

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Yea

clear dome Apr 11, 2025, 5:37 PM

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Focus on the things you actually need to do, in an iterative way. No need to learn it all at once

crystal grove Apr 11, 2025, 10:04 PM

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Optimization in graphics programming is a whole thing on its own. If you go into shadertoy and see the nightmare one liners people create just to avoid an if statement, it's not worth even thinking about when you're learning

void condor Apr 12, 2025, 7:41 AM

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u dont, you have to embrace the insanity

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personally I think people should still learn with old school opengl + Nehe's tutorials.

molten sleet Apr 12, 2025, 7:46 AM

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void condor u dont, you have to embrace the insanity

dazConcerning

grizzled laurel Apr 12, 2025, 7:46 AM

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it is how graphics programming works

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in the beginning you may expect to stare at an empty screen wondering why it's not rendering

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luckily folks these days are pretty fortunate with tools like renderdoc

molten sleet Apr 12, 2025, 7:47 AM

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grizzled laurel in the beginning you may expect to stare at an empty screen wondering why it's n...

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grizzled laurel Apr 12, 2025, 7:48 AM

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rookie mistake

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luckily that one is pretty simple to spot

molten sleet Apr 12, 2025, 7:51 AM

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i love it when it doesn't load an image and doesn't tell me (there's probably a way im just lazy

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its as convenient as getting hit in the head with a brick

void condor Apr 12, 2025, 8:08 AM

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grizzled laurel luckily folks these days are pretty fortunate with tools like renderdoc

oh, you had tools like RenderMonkey to prototype

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I still remember writing my first bump-map shader in it. Shadermodel 2.0 was huge

grizzled laurel Apr 12, 2025, 8:10 AM

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what did you have for debugging specifically

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tools like NSight or RenderDoc is what is commonly used now ofc

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but did you have anything like that in the past

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not "prototyping" but more of "debugging"

void condor Apr 12, 2025, 8:16 AM

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there were some tools, forgot the names, but it was mostly about tracing calls and state, which you could do by wrapping all api-calls in macros

grizzled laurel Apr 12, 2025, 8:18 AM

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thats pretty cool

void condor Apr 12, 2025, 8:18 AM

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once dumped we had simple tools that would translate these dumps into other tools like excel and images to see what was going on

grizzled laurel Apr 12, 2025, 8:18 AM

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these days its more about "hooking" into the graphics API itself

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i wonder why the switch of methods was made?

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probably ease of use?

void condor Apr 12, 2025, 8:20 AM

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in cases where like a texture was missing/garbage we replaced it with something that was easier to spot in memory to see if things where moved along, modes set correctly

void condor Apr 12, 2025, 8:21 AM

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grizzled laurel probably ease of use?

complexity increased and tooling had to catch up

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e.g. back then you were able to write shader assembly by hand, these days that is no longer feasible

grizzled laurel Apr 12, 2025, 8:23 AM

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I see, I guess that makes sense

void condor Apr 12, 2025, 8:24 AM

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But learning material & books were great

grizzled laurel Apr 12, 2025, 8:25 AM

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and people actually wrote shader assembly by hand? wtf

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surely that was only for the most hardcore games, no?

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or was this like wayyyy back

void condor Apr 12, 2025, 8:25 AM

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nono

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geforce3 was shader model 1, assembly shaders were the rage! Suddenly you could do your own lighting

grizzled laurel Apr 12, 2025, 8:27 AM

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ohhh true

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i did see something about lighting in the opengl api docs

void condor Apr 12, 2025, 8:28 AM

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before that everything was "fixed pipeline", you had to use whatever was built into the chips

grizzled laurel Apr 12, 2025, 8:28 AM

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crazy to think that lighting used to be something that was part of the "fixed function" pipeline

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oh lol

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we said the same thing

void condor Apr 12, 2025, 8:28 AM

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🙂

grizzled laurel Apr 12, 2025, 8:28 AM

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so wait in the past there was NO programmable pipeline?

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thats crazy wtf

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i have it good then jeez

void condor Apr 12, 2025, 8:29 AM

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last time I wrote assembly shaders was ~2010 for flash's stage3d

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flash was great, it was basically replaying the evolution of tech from 94-2003 in the browser. We first wrote/ported software-rasterers to AS3 and later Haxe for early flash 3d stuff and later hacked assembly shaders

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supporting flash & webgl at the same time was such a brainfuck: https://github.com/dazKind/foo3d/blob/master/samples/Common/SampleShaders.hx#L56

void condor Apr 12, 2025, 8:54 AM

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grizzled laurel what did you have for debugging specifically

looking through old projects: GLintercept & gDEbugger

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completely forgot about gdebugger

grizzled laurel Apr 12, 2025, 9:20 AM

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That's pretty sick though

void condor Apr 13, 2025, 9:06 AM

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Coming back to this

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compiling and init+shutdown work. now the extern grind starts 😛

void condor Apr 13, 2025, 10:13 PM

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First iteration: https://github.com/cortex-engine/linc_jolt/tree/main

GitHub

GitHub - cortex-engine/linc_jolt

Contribute to cortex-engine/linc_jolt development by creating an account on GitHub.

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dont like the verbosity of the c-wrapper but it takes care of a lot of stuff. I might hide that by grouping functions into the extern structs

molten sleet Apr 13, 2025, 10:49 PM

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i was about to question "why jolt" then i saw a performance comparison

green breach Apr 13, 2025, 10:52 PM

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I would assume the api is nicer than decades old libraries too

viscid crater Apr 14, 2025, 8:07 AM

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Is this about https://jolt-framework.github.io/ ?

Jolt

Jolt - an open-source framework that deploys JAMstack + Serverless applications.

void condor Apr 14, 2025, 8:14 AM

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viscid crater Is this about https://jolt-framework.github.io/ ?

omg, no! https://github.com/jrouwe/JoltPhysics

GitHub

GitHub - jrouwe/JoltPhysics: A multi core friendly rigid body physi...

A multi core friendly rigid body physics and collision detection library. Written in C++. Suitable for games and VR applications. Used by Horizon Forbidden West. - jrouwe/JoltPhysics

clear dome Apr 14, 2025, 1:29 PM

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Come on @void condor , don't you want to create a serverless 3D game engine

green breach Apr 14, 2025, 1:36 PM

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gotta run it on the edge

clear dome Apr 14, 2025, 2:54 PM

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Multithreaded, in the sense that each thread is running on its own microservice

void condor Apr 14, 2025, 3:30 PM

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I should write a threadless engine

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and make it a multiprocess engine

neat smelt Apr 14, 2025, 3:31 PM

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all systems discrete processes talking by udp

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no error correction

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if the physics talks the UI may choose to listen

void condor Apr 14, 2025, 3:32 PM

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renderer is a docker-container and physics runs in aws lambda

neat smelt Apr 14, 2025, 3:33 PM

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for purity a web server must be implemented on gpu

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to send draw calls via udp as well

clear dome Apr 14, 2025, 3:35 PM

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void condor and make it a multiprocess engine

That's basically node.js cluster mode

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gamepad input via HTTP

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And a redis instance to manage framebuffers in a sorted list

viscid crater Apr 14, 2025, 3:40 PM

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You're on fire 😂

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(more seriously I as thinking maybe you were trying to add some tools to do multiplayer 😛 )

clear dome Apr 14, 2025, 3:45 PM

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Don't forget there must be some React somewhere in the stack

void condor Apr 14, 2025, 3:59 PM

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Does Yoga count? Afterall it's what is driving react-native

clear dome Apr 14, 2025, 4:06 PM

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void condor Does Yoga count? Afterall it's what is driving react-native

Ah ah right, but no that's cheating, you need some JSX and webpack somewhere

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Actually, there's a game made with React: https://athenacrisis.com/open-source/

green breach Apr 14, 2025, 4:18 PM

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There is stuff like https://threlte.xyz/ out there too

Threlte

Threlte – Rapidly build interactive 3D apps for the web

clear dome Apr 14, 2025, 4:19 PM

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(But its author got that stupid idea of making some kind of competition for what should be regular paid work: https://github.com/nkzw-tech/athena-crisis/issues/10 . One year later, turns out nobody fell into that trap, good)

GitHub

[AI Competition] Build the best turn-based AI for Athena Crisis · ...

I want Athena Crisis to have a much stronger AI, and I want the best AI of the genre to be built in the open to inspire every future turn-based strategy game. This is a competition to build a bette...

green breach Apr 14, 2025, 4:19 PM

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guessing there is a react version of this

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ah yeah, the prettifier devs did the same thing

clear dome Apr 14, 2025, 4:20 PM

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green breach ah yeah, the prettifier devs did the same thing

Yeah I hate that.

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I actually raised the concerns on Twitter one year ago of the above competition idea because I have been following that game development, but he just pretented not to really understand what I'm saying

green breach Apr 14, 2025, 4:21 PM

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if anything you should do a bounty system, but not a competition lol

clear dome Apr 14, 2025, 4:21 PM

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Yes, bounty system is alright, as long as it's very clear that somebody is taking the work and being paid for it

green breach Apr 14, 2025, 4:22 PM

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yeah, typically someone has to claim it first and work with the developer

clear dome Apr 14, 2025, 4:23 PM

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Here you go: https://x.com/jeremyfaivre/status/1793985025643627007

Jérémy Fa (@jeremyfaivre) on X

Making the game open source is a great move @cpojer, but not this competition idea. You are basically inviting developers to maybe-work-for-free to improve your game.
Please consider options like what @MonoGameTeam Foundation is doing for funding new contributions more ethically

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(and pointed him to MonoGame, which is managing that in a way more ethical way)

green breach Apr 14, 2025, 4:25 PM

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yeah, the dev is being pretty silly there

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monogame looks like they had actual professionals come up with their system, not just honor system lol

grizzled laurel Apr 14, 2025, 4:31 PM

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clear dome Actually, there's a game made with React: https://athenacrisis.com/open-source/

have you seen react three fiber?

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https://mario-kart-3-js.vercel.app/

clear dome Apr 14, 2025, 4:33 PM

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Yeah I've seen that. If people want to put React everywhere, even in their fridge, what can I do anyway

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I think the reactive programming pattern can be very useful

grizzled laurel Apr 14, 2025, 4:33 PM

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I mean I guess that react could work for certain games

clear dome Apr 14, 2025, 4:34 PM

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But that idea of replacing anything with a JS+React stack is making me sick

grizzled laurel Apr 14, 2025, 4:34 PM

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When there can be a clear seperation between a frontend and backend in your game

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FPS? no.

clear dome Apr 14, 2025, 4:34 PM

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Yeah, Athena Crisis using react is definitely relevant

grizzled laurel Apr 14, 2025, 4:34 PM

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story games or perhaps some kind of basic strategy game? maybe.

clear dome Apr 14, 2025, 4:35 PM

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Turn-based game with low-resource-heavy graphics

grizzled laurel Apr 14, 2025, 4:35 PM

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^^

clear dome Apr 14, 2025, 4:35 PM

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A Loreline frontend with React, for sure that would work

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But then, if I were doing that, there is wisdom 😛

grizzled laurel Apr 14, 2025, 4:44 PM

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wisdom + loreline when?

clear dome Apr 14, 2025, 4:48 PM

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grizzled laurel wisdom + loreline when?

Everything in its own time 😌

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But the standalone app I have been mentioning in my thread will likely run with Wisdom

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(and that's basically the app that will make Wisdom from experimental to production-ready)

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everything is connected

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😛

grizzled laurel Apr 14, 2025, 4:49 PM

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nicee!!

viscid crater Apr 15, 2025, 7:12 AM

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clear dome Yeah I've seen that. If people want to put React everywhere, even in their fridg...

Honestly I've given it a quick shot and apart from the usual pain of setting threejs up with the whole AMD/cjs and whatsnot shit it's good.

molten sleet Apr 16, 2025, 5:59 PM

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Plans...

ionic badger Apr 16, 2025, 6:00 PM

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that's a lot of work 😅

grizzled laurel Apr 16, 2025, 6:04 PM

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if i may give a small suggestion

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i suggest not creating externs for every one of those

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instead, why not create a few small C libraries that wraps what you've listed

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a lib for fonts

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a lib for audio (or just a single helper function for miniaudio vorbis support)

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a lib for shader compilation

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and then LLGL and SDL3 are things I'd actually consider to extern

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12 externs -> 3 small libs with small extenrs + 2 fully features externs

green breach Apr 16, 2025, 6:46 PM

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Abstractions for a lot of those libs already exists. Daz was talking about raudio which should do a lot of what you want audio wise already. Just make bindings for that. It uses miniaudio behind the scenes.

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It has ogg support

grizzled laurel Apr 16, 2025, 6:47 PM

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That is one way to do it

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But I did have problems with raudio myself

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I remember I used it last year, and I got some audio files being delayed by a stupid amount (20+ seconds)

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Only RAudio weirdly enough and not miniaudio itself?

green breach Apr 16, 2025, 6:48 PM

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Never used it. I just directly use miniaudio, but because there are a million raylib games I feel like that would be a known issue?

grizzled laurel Apr 16, 2025, 6:48 PM

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Not sure what file format it was, but yeah

green breach Apr 16, 2025, 6:48 PM

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I guess try it and see lol

grizzled laurel Apr 16, 2025, 6:49 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

molten sleet Apr 16, 2025, 6:52 PM

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grizzled laurel instead, why not create a few small C libraries that wraps what you've listed

Makes sense for the audio and shader stuff
Other than that not rly

molten sleet Apr 16, 2025, 6:53 PM

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molten sleet Plans...

*Externs/Libraries

molten sleet Apr 16, 2025, 7:04 PM

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ionic badger that's a lot of work 😅

Yea

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I can handle it tho

clear dome Apr 17, 2025, 11:38 AM

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linc_soloud is an option too

molten sleet Apr 17, 2025, 1:23 PM

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clear dome linc_soloud is an option too

I thought SoLoud didn't have commits in months

green breach Apr 17, 2025, 1:55 PM

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I mean, if it works it works

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I just prefer miniaudio because the developer of miniaudio says it is better than soloud

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and while he is obviously biased, he has been super helpful in the past and I have had no issues with miniaudio

clear dome Apr 17, 2025, 1:57 PM

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molten sleet I thought SoLoud didn't have commits in months

Here we go again with that silly idea that something not modified is not reliable

green breach Apr 17, 2025, 1:59 PM

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I would be more concerned if the creator vanished or something, but he is still active on social media and stuff

clear dome Apr 17, 2025, 2:01 PM

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green breach I just prefer miniaudio because the developer of miniaudio says it is better tha...

Ceramic actually uses soloud's miniaudio backend

clear dome Apr 17, 2025, 2:07 PM

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green breach I would be more concerned if the creator vanished or something, but he is still ...

The code is open source, even if the creator vanished, you are not stuck, things are fixable

green breach Apr 17, 2025, 2:09 PM

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of course, but if the choice was between two equally good libraries with one having an active maintainer

grizzled laurel Apr 17, 2025, 2:24 PM

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It's a question of risk analysis

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A library with vanished author may still be usable

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But if I run into problems or get a serious issue there will be no help

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Yes someone else may have a fork but that isn't a given

clear dome Apr 17, 2025, 2:33 PM

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Soloud is a bit higher level than miniaudio. If you are using miniaudio backend with soloud, well, any issue miniaudio is facing (due to some OS breaking change for example), miniaudio is likely to get fixed, and thus you can get that fix in soloud as well. I'm not surprised soloud doesn't change much those days: it doesn't really have to

grizzled laurel Apr 17, 2025, 2:34 PM

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Hmmm not sure

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Last time I checked I remember so loud just passing its own audio stream into minoaudio

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*miniaudio

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Might be wrong but that is what I remember

clear dome Apr 17, 2025, 2:35 PM

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yes, then that's what I mean, if somehow a new windows or mac update is causing new audio driver issues

grizzled laurel Apr 17, 2025, 2:35 PM

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If I'm correct then everything has to be fixed within soloud

clear dome Apr 17, 2025, 2:35 PM

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that's a miniaudio problem anyway

grizzled laurel Apr 17, 2025, 2:35 PM

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That is true

clear dome Apr 17, 2025, 2:35 PM

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soloud doesn't need a fix itself

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(except updating miniaudio dependency)

grizzled laurel Apr 17, 2025, 2:36 PM

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Any soloud feature may have bugs

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That isn't something miniaudio can fix

clear dome Apr 17, 2025, 2:36 PM

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Sure any code could have bugs

grizzled laurel Apr 17, 2025, 2:36 PM

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Of course

clear dome Apr 17, 2025, 2:36 PM

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But if the higher level API is working now

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it's unlikely to suddenly stop working

grizzled laurel Apr 17, 2025, 2:36 PM

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Correct

clear dome Apr 17, 2025, 2:37 PM

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In that sense, I don't take it as a bad thing, if soloud doesn't have commit for a few months

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Anyway, each situation can have its pros and cons. I'm just being tired of the "thing doesn't look maintained because no changes for X months/years, I won't use it then" mindset, because it can be very misleading. Of course sometimes that's true you should not use some library because full of problems/bugs etc, but it should not be decided just based on how many changes happened recently, which doesn't mean much in itself

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(and I'm not saying soloud should be used over miniaudio. Miniaudio alone looks alright, it's just the rationale behind the decision that triggers me 😅)

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molten sleet Apr 17, 2025, 3:20 PM

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clear dome Here we go again with that silly idea that something not modified is not reliabl...

I prefer to use supported libs

ionic badger Apr 17, 2025, 3:22 PM

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a few months with no commits doesn't imply that it isn't supported

green breach Apr 17, 2025, 3:25 PM

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i mean it depends on the library too lol

clear dome Apr 17, 2025, 3:25 PM

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molten sleet I prefer to use supported libs

Again, this as a general rule doesn't make much sense imo. Some pieces of code are finite, solid and tested work and there is no point in looking for any kind of support or ongoing changes on them

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Sometimes it's even a good thing that a piece of code won't be changed anytime soon. That means you can rely on it, build on top of it, without worrying that some breaking change is going to make everything fall apart

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I know that's definitely not the trend at many places in software engineering, but what can I do

green breach Apr 17, 2025, 3:28 PM

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flxgradient hasn't been updated in two years, guess I should never use it

clear dome Apr 17, 2025, 3:28 PM

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Ultimately, the perfect software library for me is one that does exactly what it should do, and is complete in the sense that it doesn't need any further changes

green breach Apr 17, 2025, 3:28 PM

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tsk tsk

clear dome Apr 17, 2025, 3:29 PM

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Yeah you mad

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xD

green breach Apr 17, 2025, 3:45 PM

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blobcry

clear dome Apr 17, 2025, 3:45 PM

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Be careful, hsluv dependency of Ceramic haven't been changed for a while too

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and you are using Ceramic

green breach Apr 17, 2025, 3:46 PM

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ceramic gets updated?

clear dome Apr 17, 2025, 3:46 PM

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Who knows, maybe at some point the maths of colors might change and break everything

clear dome Apr 17, 2025, 3:47 PM

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green breach ceramic gets updated?

Well, yeah from time to time

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But I'm very cautious in trying to minimise shipping releases that have bugs

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that's why the release cycles are quite long

green breach Apr 17, 2025, 3:47 PM

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i want more bugs

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i've learned a lot more about hxcpp, so I should be able to make some contributions to linc_dialogs sometime soon btw

molten sleet Apr 17, 2025, 4:27 PM

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clear dome Sometimes it's even a good thing that a piece of code won't be changed anytime s...

I mean
Yeah

But for initial library choices it makes sense imo

void condor Apr 18, 2025, 9:47 AM

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In general you wanna look at the ratio between reported issues and activity in the repo

void condor Apr 18, 2025, 9:49 AM

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grizzled laurel 12 externs -> 3 small libs with small extenrs + 2 fully features externs

pretty much what I have been doing with linc_bgfx. it contains like 3 externs in a single lib, soon 4

void condor Apr 18, 2025, 9:57 AM

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molten sleet Plans...

You got your work cut out for you but it will be a good exercise. This is partly why I use bgfx since it covers most rendering related ones already: https://github.com/cortex-engine/bgfx/tree/608d9e36f571c3bbf8b2ff61320c1eab821a257d/3rdparty

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I definitely wanna test and experiment more to see if LLMs can help with the extern grind

grizzled laurel Apr 18, 2025, 10:00 AM

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void condor pretty much what I have been doing with linc_bgfx. it contains like 3 externs in...

oh?

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iirc you have nvg, bgfx and ddraw currently

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what will the 4th one be?

void condor Apr 18, 2025, 10:02 AM

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you missed bimg

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there are lots of optimized utilities in bx and bimg, also externing the included 3rd party libs can be super useful

grizzled laurel Apr 18, 2025, 10:03 AM

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yeah defo

molten sleet Apr 18, 2025, 4:03 PM

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void condor You got your work cut out for you but it will be a good exercise. This is partly...

I considered bgfx, but i chose LLGL over it

This'll be worth it eventually

grizzled laurel Apr 18, 2025, 4:20 PM

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not sure about that

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but who knows

molten sleet Apr 18, 2025, 8:41 PM

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grizzled laurel not sure about that

it WILL be worth it
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LLGL seems like my best option, outside of rolling my own

molten sleet Apr 18, 2025, 9:09 PM

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thank you LLGL for including a static build option

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now i only need 1 dll/so, and its MINE

molten sleet Apr 19, 2025, 6:04 AM

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Triangle - LLGL edition

void condor Apr 20, 2025, 12:20 PM

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also known as the Rainbow Tortilla

grizzled laurel Apr 20, 2025, 4:53 PM

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lmfao

void condor Apr 21, 2025, 5:49 AM

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Nothing compares to starting your morning with a hot coffee and reading C code that uses goto to loop over a string

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quite elegant

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this is even better, jumping back to re-eval previous cases
https://github.com/nothings/stb/blob/master/stb_textedit.h#L866

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also saving a function call

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I feel mastering goto is a very rare skill these days

grizzled laurel Apr 21, 2025, 6:48 AM

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void condor I feel mastering `goto` is a very rare skill these days

very true

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this code is indeed quite clever

lethal talon Apr 21, 2025, 7:31 AM

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You can get the same logic with a while loop of retry conditional

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Having implemented a goto state machine, I think I am still traumatized how much it breaks the concept of the control flow

ionic badger Apr 21, 2025, 10:55 AM

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what am i missing? I'm on a version of haxe that ships the TracyProfiler.hx file and i'm using the latest git hxcpp. I have also tried a clean build a few times but keep running into this linker error

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it connects if i comment out cpp.vm.tracy.TracyProfiler.frameMark(); but that's not the point 😄

ionic badger Apr 21, 2025, 12:00 PM

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got it, turns out HXCPP_TELEMETRY is a necessary flag and not an optional one x)

void condor Apr 21, 2025, 3:15 PM

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ionic badger got it, turns out `HXCPP_TELEMETRY` is a necessary flag and not an optional one ...

oh, did I list that as optional?

viscid crater Apr 21, 2025, 4:08 PM

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void condor I feel mastering `goto` is a very rare skill these days

Which honestly isn't such a bad thing cause it opens the door to more than messy code…

But I do remember my good old days using QuickBasic and its goto's… before I even knew what functions were 😄 (I was about 10-ish and the internet wasn't what it is nowadays 😄 )

void condor Apr 21, 2025, 4:09 PM

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viscid crater Which honestly isn't such a bad thing cause it opens the door to more than messy...

😄

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ok, cortex is officially like 1 year old 😄

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totally feels like 3 years

ionic badger Apr 21, 2025, 8:40 PM

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void condor oh, did I list that as optional?

Nothing was really marked as optional or not

void condor Apr 21, 2025, 8:46 PM

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ah alright

void condor Apr 21, 2025, 9:13 PM

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So I was hunting what looked to be a bug in my keyboard handling.

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turns out windows and localization is a CLUSTERFUCK:

- “Alt Gr” on german (and other) keyboards – “Alt Gr” is not the same as right-hand “Alt” on US keyboards, it essentially is a short-cut for “Control” and right-hand “Alt”.

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That means I can paste shit by pressing RALT + V

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even sending multiple events

void condor Apr 22, 2025, 12:24 PM

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testing more ui stuff

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turns out I can like port http://flexboxgrid.com to hss and it magically works

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pretty much copy and pasta

void condor Apr 22, 2025, 4:03 PM

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lolol wtf https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/1k5327l/edge_of_chaos_iwar_2_runs_too_fast_on_modern_cpu/

From the gamedev community on Reddit

Explore this post and more from the gamedev community

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yay, found a little fix that gained me 10 fps in the worst case text testcase on cppia-debug

clear dome Apr 22, 2025, 4:11 PM

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Les petits ruisseaux font les grandes rivières

void condor Apr 22, 2025, 4:12 PM

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Kleinvieh macht auch Mist!

grizzled laurel Apr 22, 2025, 4:14 PM

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Praten we nu allemaal onze eigen talen?

clear dome Apr 22, 2025, 4:14 PM

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Ah ah nice one

void condor Apr 22, 2025, 4:15 PM

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void condor Apr 22, 2025, 4:15 PM

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grizzled laurel Praten we nu allemaal onze eigen talen?

jo yop, braten von de telen! Kon mer tuten!

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[totally made up shit!] 😄

grizzled laurel Apr 22, 2025, 4:16 PM

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[german or dutch when you have too much wine]

void condor Apr 22, 2025, 4:22 PM

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I guess today I tackle the textfield

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at least single line ones

clear dome Apr 22, 2025, 4:24 PM

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void condor at least single line ones

Text fields are such a pain

void condor Apr 22, 2025, 4:26 PM

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I made my peace with it. found an angle to grind through

clear dome Apr 22, 2025, 4:27 PM

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Yeah I’m also quite happy with what I have in Ceramic, it’s modular and pretty clean, while staying totally cross platform (including unity backend) but that’s definitely not a trivial subject

green breach Apr 22, 2025, 4:28 PM

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I like that this is just the game engine development channel now lol

void condor Apr 22, 2025, 4:28 PM

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got vacations this week, decided to not sweat it. my milestone is to create all the missing pieces to have parity with my old mint ui

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so textfield, scrollbars, menus, slider, dropdown & windowpanels

void condor Apr 22, 2025, 4:30 PM

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clear dome Yeah I’m also quite happy with what I have in Ceramic, it’s modular and pretty c...

you support dragging selections?

void condor Apr 22, 2025, 4:32 PM

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green breach I like that this is just the game engine development channel now lol

a place for everybody

clear dome Apr 22, 2025, 4:34 PM

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void condor you support dragging selections?

If you mean by that selecting text with the mouse pointer, yes

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If you mean actually moving selected text around, no

void condor Apr 22, 2025, 4:35 PM

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selecting + dragging the selection around

grizzled laurel Apr 22, 2025, 4:35 PM

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ahhh text input

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brings me back

clear dome Apr 22, 2025, 4:35 PM

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void condor selecting + dragging the selection around

Honestly I never use that

grizzled laurel Apr 22, 2025, 4:35 PM

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it was ok IG, got it to a pretty decent state feature-wise but it was a mess and it didn't have support for internationalization (IME)
oh and multiline didnt work

void condor Apr 22, 2025, 4:36 PM

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clear dome Honestly I never use that

try here in discord's textfield, looks funny

clear dome Apr 22, 2025, 4:36 PM

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But now that you ask me, if I wanted to support that, the current foundation would allow it

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Also I separated the text selection and the text edition logic. So you can make a text selectable even if not editable

ionic badger Apr 22, 2025, 4:39 PM

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There may be a point where I'll add stuff to the text field. Will have to see when I get to that point, but the base is pretty good

clear dome Apr 22, 2025, 4:40 PM

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ionic badger There may be a point where I'll add stuff to the text field. Will have to see wh...

All the fun stuff happens in SelectText and EditText components

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I recall you mentioned the horizontal text scroll was missing

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This should probably be a thing to add in SelectText, that takes advantage of Text’s quad clipping

void condor Apr 23, 2025, 2:22 PM

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wow, the ?? operator can be expensive

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it generates a several tmp vars

molten sleet Apr 23, 2025, 2:25 PM

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thank you haxe

ionic badger Apr 23, 2025, 2:32 PM

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void condor it generates a several tmp vars

https://try.haxe.org/#Fa121878 i'm only getting 1 on js

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is there more on cpp?

void condor Apr 23, 2025, 2:40 PM

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https://try.haxe.org/#BD9F89f3

Try Haxe!

Haxe is an amazing multiplatform programming language. Check it out !

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f00 does it without local vars

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though on cpp the second one resolves to a proper if else if else

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shouldnt hurt the average person

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in my case I refactored the style system to have proper computed styles and I have the loopkups & checks in the hotpath for rendering

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fps got observably worse in cppia debug. removed all the ?? checks and gained some speed again

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then I also had to inline some functions, now we are back to where we were before but with a lot more css stability and some more bugfixes & features

ionic badger Apr 23, 2025, 2:47 PM

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would temp vars really cause such a massive issue or is this more to do with the interplay with cppia?

void condor Apr 23, 2025, 2:48 PM

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to quote Hugh: "cppia is optimized for fast compile times, not runtime performance. you wouldnt put performance critical code into your script"

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and here I am compiling almost the whole engine into the script 😄

ionic badger Apr 23, 2025, 2:49 PM

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ahah

void condor Apr 23, 2025, 2:49 PM

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to be fair, if it helps cppia a lot, then it might also have positive side-effects for the rest

ionic badger Apr 23, 2025, 2:50 PM

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probably helpful, but might be in the realm of premature optimisation no?

void condor Apr 23, 2025, 2:50 PM

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nah, you wouldnt believe how easy you can speed up some things

ionic badger Apr 23, 2025, 2:51 PM

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i don't know if i want to know 😄

void condor Apr 23, 2025, 2:51 PM

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overall less vars / code also gains you a win in debug

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obviously

green breach Apr 23, 2025, 2:51 PM

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Tbf cppia does some JIT stuff right?

ionic badger Apr 23, 2025, 2:51 PM

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i did have a thought that this stuff was more useful for debug

void condor Apr 23, 2025, 2:53 PM

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im supporting 94 css directives now, these have to be looked up & queried for rendering, so that shit better be fast

ionic badger Apr 23, 2025, 2:54 PM

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ah yes, context

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ui stuff is worth being built very solid

shut oracle Apr 23, 2025, 2:56 PM

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It seems like a flaw of the haxe compiler that using ?? would have a noticeable effect on runtime, rather than a flaw in the user code

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It looks like the local vars are required for cases where the evaluation of the expression could have side effects, maybe it could be optimised for cases of direct variable access

molten sleet Apr 23, 2025, 2:58 PM

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Isnt ?? just syntax sugar for A == null ? B : A

ionic badger Apr 23, 2025, 2:58 PM

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it is

shut oracle Apr 23, 2025, 2:59 PM

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Yeah, but evaluating A twice may give unintended side effects, which is why it becomes var tmp = A; tmp == null ? B : tmp;

molten sleet Apr 23, 2025, 3:01 PM

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shut oracle Yeah, but evaluating A twice may give unintended side effects, which is why it b...

I dont rly understand
Can i have an example of a side effect

shut oracle Apr 23, 2025, 3:03 PM

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molten sleet I dont rly understand Can i have an example of a side effect

function call():Null<Int> {
   Sys.println("hello world");
   return 10;
}

function main() {
  // "hello world" should be printed once
  trace(call() ?? 0);

  // "hello world" is printed twice
  trace(call() == null ? 0 : call());
}

molten sleet Apr 23, 2025, 3:04 PM

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shut oracle ```haxe function call():Null<Int> { Sys.println("hello world"); return 10;...

Ohhhh

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Makes sense

clear dome Apr 23, 2025, 4:28 PM

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void condor it generates a several tmp vars

Not surprising to avoid evaluating things multiple times, but i'd also expect that to be fairly well optimized by compilers

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Ah, maybe on cppia that's another story right

void condor Apr 24, 2025, 11:02 AM

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ok, I think I created a monster

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I added css animations

void condor Apr 24, 2025, 1:42 PM

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I can see some potential for wonky animations in this 😄

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tall veldt Apr 24, 2025, 1:49 PM

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OOOOOHHH!!!

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excite

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This is the kind of thing I keep talking about that's missing from haxeui

void condor Apr 24, 2025, 1:53 PM

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lol, well this is actually just parts of the haxeui style + animation hacked into my ui. You can totally do the same css animations in haxeui

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although not sure if layouts would resolve the same since im using flexbox for everything

ionic badger Apr 24, 2025, 1:58 PM

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void condor

looks really responsive 😄

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https://haxeui.org/explorer/#miscellaneous/animation/animated_dots demo of keyframe css animations

tall veldt Apr 24, 2025, 2:06 PM

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WHAT

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There's no way this was a thing a year ago

ionic badger Apr 24, 2025, 2:07 PM

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it has defo been there longer than a year 😂

tall veldt Apr 24, 2025, 2:08 PM

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I SWEAAAR Billy, I would ask about this and you would link me the animations tools section where the text field just shakey a little. I kept asking about css animations and no one knew what I meant XD

grizzled laurel Apr 24, 2025, 2:09 PM

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Srd has dementia

tall veldt Apr 24, 2025, 2:09 PM

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I might

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At the very least this animations section demonstrating css animations is recent

ionic badger Apr 24, 2025, 2:11 PM

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tall veldt I SWEAAAR Billy, I would ask about this and you would link me the animations too...

i don't remember the convo buuut

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granted, i've defo missed sub category items in the explorer list

tall veldt Apr 24, 2025, 2:12 PM

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NO THERES NO WAY I WOULD MISS THAT gatoScream

void condor Apr 24, 2025, 2:13 PM

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xD

grizzled laurel Apr 24, 2025, 2:13 PM

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I told you srd

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You have dementia

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But you may not remember

tall veldt Apr 24, 2025, 2:15 PM

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Okay, I found the moment in history: #voice-text message

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pepodetect

grizzled laurel Apr 24, 2025, 2:15 PM

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I literally told you you have dementia

tall veldt Apr 24, 2025, 2:16 PM

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If I can PROVE, these animation pages weren't up on the site BEFORE June 2023, I am sane

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Otherwise it's time to lock me up

grizzled laurel Apr 24, 2025, 2:16 PM

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New roundup topic

tall veldt Apr 24, 2025, 2:16 PM

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FR XD

grizzled laurel Apr 24, 2025, 2:16 PM

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Will comment on haxe.io issue rn

ionic badger Apr 24, 2025, 2:16 PM

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tall veldt If I can PROVE, these animation pages weren't up on the site BEFORE June 2023, I...

bro, you literally just said "thanks" and didn't go into any more questioning 🤣

tall veldt Apr 24, 2025, 2:17 PM

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ionic badger bro, you literally just said "thanks" and didn't go into any more questioning 🤣

Tbf it was during a roundup roundup, so I was probably in the middle of me talking but I wanted to acknowledge it

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Iirc I explained the css stuff specifically in the voice chat

grizzled laurel Apr 24, 2025, 2:17 PM

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blobdoubt

tall veldt Apr 24, 2025, 2:18 PM

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CR_fat_laugh

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I wonder if this was a recorded one lmao

clear dome Apr 24, 2025, 2:18 PM

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Ian enters the room

pearl slate Apr 24, 2025, 2:18 PM

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tall veldt If I can PROVE, these animation pages weren't up on the site BEFORE June 2023, I...

https://github.com/haxeui/component-explorer/blob/master/src/views/AnimatedDotsView.hx - 3 years ago - and css animations have been there for ages and ages - i hate them though 😄

tall veldt Apr 24, 2025, 2:18 PM

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SkullDeadRip

grizzled laurel Apr 24, 2025, 2:18 PM

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Well well srd

tall veldt Apr 24, 2025, 2:19 PM

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oh no

void condor Apr 24, 2025, 2:19 PM

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lol

grizzled laurel Apr 24, 2025, 2:19 PM

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tall veldt Otherwise it's time to lock me up

As you said

ionic badger Apr 24, 2025, 2:19 PM

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i tried to give you an out with the whole "i missed the tiny little blue arrow"

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😄

void condor Apr 24, 2025, 2:22 PM

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The only downside with css animations: The real cool animation all need transform support

pearl slate Apr 24, 2025, 2:23 PM

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yeah, i want to add transform support - arguably, for a ui system is better / more useful than the "normal" animations

void condor Apr 24, 2025, 2:23 PM

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guess im hackin that now

pearl slate Apr 24, 2025, 2:23 PM

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but i hate the syntax of css animations, like, really hate it

tall veldt Apr 24, 2025, 2:23 PM

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grizzled laurel As you said

fair enough... let me just grab... my keys from my pocket...

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https://tenor.com/view/king-of-the-hill-dale-gribble-pocket-sand-pocket-sand-gif-3699662

Tenor

Pocket Sand - King Of The Hill

▶ Play video

molten sleet Apr 24, 2025, 2:24 PM

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SomeRanDementia

tall veldt Apr 24, 2025, 2:24 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/run-running-running-away-gif-26050955

Tenor

grizzled laurel Apr 24, 2025, 2:24 PM

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tall veldt fair enough... let me just grab... my keys from my pocket...

Too bad the door is locked

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You ain't getting away chief

void condor Apr 24, 2025, 2:25 PM

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pearl slate but i hate the syntax of css animations, like, _really_ hate it

same, though I feel like you can do quite a bit these days https://gradienty.codes/animations

CSS Animation Generator - Create Beautiful Animations Online

Design and generate custom CSS animations for your website with our free online tool

molten sleet Apr 24, 2025, 2:26 PM

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What do y'all do for the final, exported asset format

Just copy the files over? Embed them? Compression?

grizzled laurel Apr 24, 2025, 2:26 PM

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molten sleet What do y'all do for the final, exported asset format Just copy the files over?...

Every solution has its own pros and cons

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You should choose whatever is applicable to you

molten sleet Apr 24, 2025, 2:27 PM

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dies
I'm looking FOR solutions

void condor Apr 24, 2025, 2:28 PM

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molten sleet <a:dies:938461593484795904> I'm looking FOR solutions

build a game

grizzled laurel Apr 24, 2025, 2:28 PM

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You can start with something simple like loading png files so you can do other stuff

clear dome Apr 24, 2025, 2:28 PM

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void condor build a game

Right now you are building a web browser xD

grizzled laurel Apr 24, 2025, 2:28 PM

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Pros: simple as shit, ocns: not ideal

molten sleet Apr 24, 2025, 2:28 PM

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Not loading files

I mean the final output format for the application assets

pearl slate Apr 24, 2025, 2:29 PM

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void condor same, though I feel like you can do quite a bit these days https://gradienty.cod...

yeah, the other thing that super useful about using the god awful syntax is it allows users and themes to supply their own animations, which is defo alot more complex if you dont use them

grizzled laurel Apr 24, 2025, 2:29 PM

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Kha has its whole image format stuff

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You can also do something in between multiple solutions

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But you should start with loading a basic png and displaying a textured quad

green breach Apr 24, 2025, 2:29 PM

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molten sleet Not loading files I mean the final output format for the application assets

Easiest way is just using haxe’s resource system

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There are a million ways though.

grizzled laurel Apr 24, 2025, 2:30 PM

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Many ways to do things, each one has its own advantages and disadvantages

void condor Apr 24, 2025, 2:30 PM

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clear dome Right now you are building a web browser xD

wait till i plug in wisdom and tracker. I already scouted the backend api and see no issue for cortex ui 😄

molten sleet Apr 24, 2025, 2:30 PM

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grizzled laurel But you should start with loading a basic png and displaying a textured quad

Already did that

grizzled laurel Apr 24, 2025, 2:30 PM

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Then roll with it for now

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Don't prematurely search for solutions (as you said) for problems that don't exist yet

molten sleet Apr 24, 2025, 2:31 PM

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Screw it

I'll just copy the assets over to export and come up with a better technique later

grizzled laurel Apr 24, 2025, 2:31 PM

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Sure

molten sleet Apr 24, 2025, 2:33 PM

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molten sleet Screw it I'll just copy the assets over to export and come up with a better tec...

Maybe some form of compressed archive later

grizzled laurel Apr 24, 2025, 2:33 PM

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Eh

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Regarding Web you could use emscripten's own virtual filesystem

void condor Apr 24, 2025, 2:34 PM

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pearl slate yeah, the other thing that super useful about using the _god awful_ syntax is it...

yeah, 100%. having plug&play themes kicks ass

grizzled laurel Apr 24, 2025, 2:34 PM

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Once you have something that can build games you could look into optimising everything including your resource pipeline (atleast in the case of your first engine)

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You cannot plan out an entire engine when you've not built one before

molten sleet Apr 24, 2025, 2:35 PM

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I'm trying to think of as much as possible

ionic badger Apr 24, 2025, 2:36 PM

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This is why you build your "thing" first or at least some of it, because all of these questions are already answered

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"whilst building project x, i kept tripping up on the way y framework was doing z - how would I change that?

clear dome Apr 24, 2025, 2:37 PM

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void condor wait till i plug in wisdom and tracker. I already scouted the backend api and se...

That would definitely be a fun use case 😄

ionic badger Apr 24, 2025, 2:37 PM

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Otherwise, because you have no actual end goal, you become very mentally trapped because there's no focus

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everything becomes a potential option

molten sleet Apr 24, 2025, 2:38 PM

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Fair point

I'll start working soon
I have some things I want to work on before starting work on Beacon

ionic badger Apr 24, 2025, 2:40 PM

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molten sleet Fair point I'll start working soon I have some things I want to work on before ...

also, if you find yourself not sure on what way to do something, try consulting your experience. "Did I have any complaints the way flixel/lime did asset management? yes? see if you can improve that. no? just do the same thing as you're used to it and can always iterate on it later

molten sleet Apr 24, 2025, 2:40 PM

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ionic badger also, if you find yourself not sure on what way to do something, try consulting ...

Good point

void condor Apr 24, 2025, 2:54 PM

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hmm, I think I will refactor the whole animation system a little. @pearl slate does haxeui support multiple animations in one animation directive?

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asking before I try to analyze the parser

pearl slate Apr 24, 2025, 2:55 PM

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void condor hmm, I think I will refactor the whole animation system a little. <@456226577798...

do you have an example?

void condor Apr 24, 2025, 2:55 PM

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animation: rotate 1s, spin 3s;

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animation: grow 0.2s linear 0s 1, highlightgriditem 0.2s linear 0s 1;

ionic badger Apr 24, 2025, 2:56 PM

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animation: sizedotitem 0.2s ease 0s 1 reverse backwards; is in the dot demo if that's what you mean

void condor Apr 24, 2025, 2:57 PM

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basically comma separated.

void condor Apr 24, 2025, 2:57 PM

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ionic badger `animation: sizedotitem 0.2s ease 0s 1 reverse backwards;` is in the dot demo if...

thats a single animation

ionic badger Apr 24, 2025, 2:57 PM

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ahh

void condor Apr 24, 2025, 2:58 PM

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from the looks of it, I think the style does not support it, since you need a list of animations + options

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that also means I need a mixer for multiple animations working the same properties

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hmm

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thinking about this starts to hurt 😄

pearl slate Apr 24, 2025, 3:02 PM

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ah, i dont think so

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in fact, fairly sure "no"

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i think it applies the style and then sees if there is an animation accociated with the final style, and then applies that one to the component

void condor Apr 24, 2025, 3:10 PM

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i might try something else first

void condor Apr 24, 2025, 5:05 PM

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ok, I got a prototype for transitions working

void condor Apr 24, 2025, 7:05 PM

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Ok, gotta clean that up a little, but we slowly building a bouncy castle 😄

molten sleet Apr 24, 2025, 7:07 PM

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void condor Ok, gotta clean that up a little, but we slowly building a bouncy castle 😄

Add A JS engine and you have a browser

void condor Apr 24, 2025, 7:07 PM

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not really. it's just animated boxes 🙂

ionic badger Apr 24, 2025, 7:21 PM

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if haxeui used <div> instead of box's you could probably get pretty close to copy pasting html layouts into haxeui lol

void condor Apr 24, 2025, 7:27 PM

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cortex' ui doesnt really care about the tagname

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it's only important for special controls and stylesheets

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you can already copy stuff but it's kinda pointless since you also need to have the styles setup

ionic badger Apr 24, 2025, 7:29 PM

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yeah, layouts are rarely the hard thing to handle

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it's the styling lol

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what's your ui structure like, you have some amalgamation of various ui things

grizzled laurel Apr 24, 2025, 7:31 PM

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molten sleet Add A JS engine and you have a browser

casually recreating Qt Qml

ionic badger Apr 24, 2025, 7:31 PM

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you're using some library to handle boxes, but you're also using haxeui and iirc you also have your own renderer/parser

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is the structure

cortex ui -> 
  -> flowboxes
  -> haxeui
  -> custom thing

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you've got some kind of abstraction setup going on?

void condor Apr 24, 2025, 7:41 PM

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it's not that fragmented

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if you want a UI canvas, you need to add it as a component to an entity in the scene, then the other engine systems take over, resource management takes care of files/resources, supply input and render it where it wants to be.

ionic badger Apr 24, 2025, 7:46 PM

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void condor

void condor Apr 24, 2025, 7:46 PM

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might sound weird, but this way it becomes super flexible and arbitary game objects can have their own full UI

ionic badger Apr 24, 2025, 7:47 PM

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pretty cool

void condor Apr 24, 2025, 7:52 PM

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thanks 🙂

molten sleet Apr 24, 2025, 8:44 PM

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

void condor Apr 24, 2025, 9:16 PM

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molten sleet AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

?

molten sleet Apr 24, 2025, 9:41 PM

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void condor ?

Nothin

void condor Apr 24, 2025, 10:23 PM

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LGTM, Ship it! 🙈

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If I would ever want to intentionally create a such a fucked up menu, im pretty sure I wouldnt know how

void condor Apr 24, 2025, 11:45 PM

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wow, 2am and I added matrix based transforms to the displaylist and it just works?!

void condor Apr 25, 2025, 12:08 AM

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now I gotta add oobbs and think of an solution for the scissor rects

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shit got expensive. will have to optimize all this new math

void condor Apr 25, 2025, 12:33 AM

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ah ofc. the whole frustum culling is fucked in this case

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ok, translation, scaling, skewing & rotation can be applied through the hierarchy. now I need to fix the hit detection and wire that shit up for transitions and animations

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last goofy one for the night 🙂

neat smelt Apr 25, 2025, 3:48 AM

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prepared in advance for when the UI designer shows some wraparound scifi UI concept and the art director hates the programmers

grizzled laurel Apr 25, 2025, 4:55 AM

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void condor last goofy one for the night 🙂

nice power metal too

robust olive Apr 25, 2025, 9:16 AM

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void condor last goofy one for the night 🙂

omg the skewed render on the boxes with contents looks so nice actually

clear dome Apr 25, 2025, 9:34 AM

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Totally off topic, but got a desk setup update xD (easily removable so can switch to one setup to the other)

void condor Apr 25, 2025, 11:06 AM

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[showcase] Finally added CSS transforms, transition and animation to cortex' UI system. 😄

void condor Apr 25, 2025, 11:08 AM

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clear dome Totally off topic, but got a desk setup update xD (easily removable so can switc...

Im not even sure what im looking at. You stand in front of this?

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could also be a platform for your cat to review code?

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xD

clear dome Apr 25, 2025, 11:10 AM

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It's an adapter to create a standing desk yes

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Honestly that's very effective

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Cats didn't try to climb it (yet)

void condor Apr 25, 2025, 11:46 AM

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xD

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HOLY FUCK

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just realized something

void condor Apr 25, 2025, 12:28 PM

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i completely destroyed shit. will post later once shit is fixed

lethal talon Apr 25, 2025, 12:40 PM

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Have you heard of open usd? Universal scene descriptor?

void condor Apr 25, 2025, 12:45 PM

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Sure. what about it?

lethal talon Apr 25, 2025, 1:36 PM

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Would be nice to be able to have it be used by a 3d game engine in Haxe

molten sleet Apr 25, 2025, 1:37 PM

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Open United States Dollar
-# /j

clear dome Apr 25, 2025, 2:03 PM

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void condor i completely destroyed shit. will post later once shit is fixed

Keep the css transforms and the elastic easings, the rest can be discarded

void condor Apr 25, 2025, 2:35 PM

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lethal talon Would be nice to be able to have it be used by a 3d game engine in Haxe

It's an interchange format similiar to gltf, so shipping something with it doesnt make sense to me

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Also makes it easy for people to steal assets

lethal talon Apr 25, 2025, 2:38 PM

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I see

void condor Apr 25, 2025, 4:00 PM

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aaaand back in action

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had to rework this whole css directive stuff around multi-domain values

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im so happy that I can use HSS, its rule file gives a nice overview of the bullshit you have to account for

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Also realized that i only need to compile the ui lib into cppia while working on it. once it is stable I can just include it in the host and we gain all the speed back while still being able to iterate UIs

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a few stats, the whole engine

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which includes the ui lib

ionic badger Apr 25, 2025, 4:19 PM

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bruh 0. 06s?!

void condor Apr 25, 2025, 4:21 PM

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2x2TB nmve ssds 😛

clear dome Apr 25, 2025, 4:26 PM

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What are your plans for shader language syntax?

void condor Apr 25, 2025, 4:26 PM

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got none. it's already solved

clear dome Apr 25, 2025, 4:26 PM

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Ok let me reformulate, how do you solve it xD

void condor Apr 25, 2025, 4:27 PM

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I use bgfx and have its shaderc transpiler

clear dome Apr 25, 2025, 4:27 PM

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Ah right

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So in what language do you write the « source shader »?

void condor Apr 25, 2025, 4:27 PM

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hooked up to the resource manager it emits binaries for all platforms & versions

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https://github.com/bkaradzic/bgfx/blob/master/examples/03-raymarch/fs_raymarching.sc

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https://bkaradzic.github.io/bgfx/tools.html#shader-compiler-shaderc

clear dome Apr 25, 2025, 4:29 PM

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That looks like glsl

void condor Apr 25, 2025, 4:29 PM

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it is based on glsl

void condor Apr 25, 2025, 4:34 PM

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clear dome What are your plans for shader language syntax?

why u asking?

green breach Apr 25, 2025, 4:36 PM

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Oh the include thing is nice. Def something I miss when using glsl

ionic badger Apr 25, 2025, 4:36 PM

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void condor 2x2TB nmve ssds 😛

I have high performance nvme ssds 😩

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how do i shove haxeui and ceramic into a cppia host

void condor Apr 25, 2025, 4:37 PM

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ionic badger how do i shove haxeui and ceramic into a cppia host

in your host's hxml

ionic badger Apr 25, 2025, 4:38 PM

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gonna need to do some googling, I don't even know how to compile a host

void condor Apr 25, 2025, 4:39 PM

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also disable dce

green breach Apr 25, 2025, 4:39 PM

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Huh can you just use any hxcpp library with cppia

clear dome Apr 25, 2025, 4:40 PM

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void condor why u asking?

Just curious, at some point I’d like Ceramic to auto-convert glsl shaders to equivalent for unity backend for instance

void condor Apr 25, 2025, 4:40 PM

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green breach Huh can you just use any hxcpp library with cppia

only if your externs support it. hence why i tweaked all these linc_* libs

clear dome Apr 25, 2025, 4:41 PM

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void condor only if your externs support it. hence why i tweaked all these linc_* libs

The way I tried to setup cppia last time was to build most of ceramic runtime with c++, and only cppia the app itself, so externs arz not really and issue as not used dirzctly

ionic badger Apr 25, 2025, 4:42 PM

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we only need the externs if we want to use the apis right?

clear dome Apr 25, 2025, 4:43 PM

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If the externs are only used directly by the c++ host it’s fine

ionic badger Apr 25, 2025, 4:44 PM

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I'm in an isolated environment because I just want to focus on ui stuff and not get distracted by app things

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so if I can speed up these compiles that would be super cool

clear dome Apr 25, 2025, 4:46 PM

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Realistically, I’ll probably try cppia again when haxe 5 get released

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Or when some remaining fix related to cppia is merged to haxe 4. I don’t recall exactly but on openfl discord something was mentioned. Will have to find the link when I’m on a computer again m

void condor Apr 25, 2025, 4:51 PM

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clear dome If the externs are only used directly by the c++ host it’s fine

if you are lucky. it should work as long as there is no public api using native types visible to cppia. a single method with a native parameter type will make cppia complain (cant unify with Dynamic)

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happened to me a lot in the beginning, esp by force including all code + dce off

void condor Apr 25, 2025, 4:59 PM

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clear dome Just curious, at some point I’d like Ceramic to auto-convert glsl shaders to equ...

ah right

ionic badger Apr 25, 2025, 5:01 PM

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From what it sounds like, you have to precompile the host

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but all guides online say you need a script file ahead of time

void condor Apr 25, 2025, 5:02 PM

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that's bc hxcpp includes a Host with all the std stuff

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noone uses that

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so just build your own exe that loads a cppia script and calls its main function

clear dome Apr 25, 2025, 5:02 PM

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I did the whole setup in the past, it worked, except some weird inheritance bug that stopped me for good

ionic badger Apr 25, 2025, 5:03 PM

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for ceramic specifically?

clear dome Apr 25, 2025, 5:03 PM

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Yes

ionic badger Apr 25, 2025, 5:03 PM

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It might work for me as i'm using a nightly haxe

pearl slate Apr 25, 2025, 5:04 PM

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clear dome I did the whole setup in the past, it worked, except some weird inheritance bug ...

i think that might be fixed, i hit something like that, and iirc, Daz minimal repro'd and it got solved

ionic badger Apr 25, 2025, 5:07 PM

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clear dome Yes

what did you put as the init for the script as ceramic doesn't have a static main? did you just do new Project()

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if you have your setup available, i'd happily try and run it 😄

clear dome Apr 25, 2025, 5:13 PM

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Ceramic does have a static main, it’s just part of the backend

clear dome Apr 25, 2025, 5:14 PM

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ionic badger if you have your setup available, i'd happily try and run it 😄

There are some relics of it in the codebase, but nothing usable sorry

ionic badger Apr 25, 2025, 5:15 PM

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clear dome Ceramic does have a static main, it’s just part of the backend

oh cool, do you remember what you did to init ceramic?

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is it just reference that static main

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managed to get a simple example going, have an idea of the structure now

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I don't know if what I did is correct, but I basically had the host check if the compiled script changed by checking the file stat

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is there something more "built in" or is that "the way"?

molten sleet Apr 25, 2025, 5:31 PM

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I'm planning on writing my own shader cross compiler (GLSL->HLSL, SPIR-V, etc) for HaxeLumina

until then I can only test with LLGL/OpenGL

green breach Apr 25, 2025, 5:31 PM

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ionic badger I don't know if what I did is correct, but I basically had the host check if the...

Most operating systems have some form of file watch api. Linux has inotify for instance

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There are abstraction libraries like fswatch out there.

ionic badger Apr 25, 2025, 5:32 PM

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green breach Most operating systems have some form of file watch api. Linux has inotify for i...

hopefully i'm not naive in thinking the haxe sys api file stat works on all platforms 😄

green breach Apr 25, 2025, 5:33 PM

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https://github.com/vegardit/haxe-files

GitHub

GitHub - vegardit/haxe-files: A haxelib for cross-platform filesyst...

A haxelib for cross-platform filesystem operations. - vegardit/haxe-files

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Look into this maybe

ionic badger Apr 25, 2025, 5:34 PM

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oh cool :o

void condor Apr 25, 2025, 5:41 PM

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ionic badger is there something more "built in" or is that "the way"?

linc_filewatch

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I use that to monitor the script and the asset folder

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I really have to add all the different easing types now, this wobbly shit in transitions gives the whole thing such a trolly character 😛

ionic badger Apr 25, 2025, 5:42 PM

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void condor linc_filewatch

import cpp.cppia.Host;
import sys.FileSystem;

class Main {
    static var scriptPath:String = '../client/script.cppia';

    public static function main() {
        var lastModified = FileSystem.stat(scriptPath).mtime.getTime();

        Host.runFile(scriptPath);

        while (true) {
            Sys.sleep(0.5);

            var newModified = FileSystem.stat(scriptPath).mtime.getTime();
            if (newModified > lastModified) {
                Sys.println("Reloading script: " + scriptPath);
                lastModified = newModified;

                Host.runFile(scriptPath);
            }
        }
    }
}

``` I just did this for now

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want to keep things simple because i have no idea how any of this works

void condor Apr 25, 2025, 5:44 PM

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makes sense

ionic badger Apr 25, 2025, 5:45 PM

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void condor I really have to add all the different easing types now, this wobbly shit in tra...

is this the beginning of your text input stuff?

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your ui is going to be so effectful 😆

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how are you wobbling the cursor 😂

void condor Apr 25, 2025, 5:48 PM

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1-2 lines of css 😄

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it's https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/CSS_transitions/Using_CSS_transitions

MDN Web Docs

Using CSS transitions - CSS: Cascading Style Sheets | MDN

CSS transitions provide a way to control animation speed when changing CSS properties. Instead of having property changes take effect immediately, you can cause the changes in a property to take place over a period of time. For example, if you change the color of an element from white to black, usually the change is instantaneous. With CSS trans...

void condor Apr 25, 2025, 5:49 PM

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ionic badger is this the beginning of your text input stuff?

havent touch it yet. its the simple one I had so far. decided I wanna check how dynamic I can make shit

clear dome Apr 25, 2025, 5:51 PM

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The way I did it was create a host that is an empty ceramic app with Project.hx that loads a cppia script which has a starting point very close to Project. You created a CPPIAProject.hx file next to Project.hx and that would be run

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As long as the host includes all the ceramic types you need, you are good to go

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There is a ceramic.AllApi module made to reference all those types

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So you build the host without any dce and that’s it

ionic badger Apr 25, 2025, 5:53 PM

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clear dome The way I did it was create a host that is an empty ceramic app with Project.hx ...

Oh! I think I kinda get it will have a play. I can't create 2 ceramic.yml files, so I guess we use the ceramic file for the host and then we just use normal hxmls for cppia scripts?

clear dome Apr 25, 2025, 5:54 PM

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No the same ceramic.yml

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Cppia is just a different target

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(But some changes in clay backend to add that cppia target are currently disabled)

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but as a workaround for your tests, you could try with a regular hxml yeah

ionic badger Apr 25, 2025, 5:55 PM

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Does the client need to reference the libraries as well? how does completion work in this case?

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maybe i just forget about completion for now and see if i can just get ceramic compiled into a host

void condor Apr 25, 2025, 6:00 PM

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Add this to your host: -D dll-export=bin/export_classes.info
and this to your script: -D dll-import=bin/export_classes.info

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this should be the next looming trap people step into when building cppia with shared code

ionic badger Apr 25, 2025, 6:16 PM

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void condor Add this to your host: `-D dll-export=bin/export_classes.info` and this to your ...

export_classes has been generated but importing it into the script doesn't seem to work

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it won't compile because it can't find the files

void condor Apr 25, 2025, 6:19 PM

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which files

ionic badger Apr 25, 2025, 6:19 PM

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the ceramic types

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ceramic.Entity, ceramic.Visual etc

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they exist in the file

void condor Apr 25, 2025, 6:20 PM

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make sure you -lib .. the same for both compiles

ionic badger Apr 25, 2025, 6:20 PM

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oh, we have to add libs to the client as well?

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that will be the oversight

void condor Apr 25, 2025, 6:21 PM

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export_classes.info is just a blacklist for the compiler for types that should be imported but not compiled for everything that gets included via -lib & -cp

ionic badger Apr 25, 2025, 6:22 PM

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i'll try shrinking down the windows hxml that ceramic outputs

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🤣

void condor Apr 25, 2025, 6:26 PM

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lol, you are dangerous

ionic badger Apr 25, 2025, 6:26 PM

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the ceramic .hxml's are a bit full so i'm going to keep messing with it a bit

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hard to know what to include and what exclude

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i'll remove all ceramic flags and just include cp and libs

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but i doubt that'll be wise

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host compiled fine, its just getting a client script to see if it works

grizzled laurel Apr 25, 2025, 6:33 PM

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molten sleet I'm planning on writing my own shader cross compiler (GLSL->HLSL, SPIR-V, etc) f...

but why??

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dont bother

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if your goal is glsl, don't

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if your goal is hlsl, don't

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if your goal is some kind of modified version of hlsl (quite common) then also don't

molten sleet Apr 25, 2025, 6:39 PM

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grizzled laurel but why??

LLGL doesn't have one, and requires you to supply the shaders

Im not writing the same shader 4 times

grizzled laurel Apr 25, 2025, 6:39 PM

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why not extern spirv-cross/glslang or use shaderc (like daz)

molten sleet Apr 25, 2025, 6:39 PM

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grizzled laurel why not extern spirv-cross/glslang or use shaderc (like daz)

Thats
What im doing

grizzled laurel Apr 25, 2025, 6:39 PM

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or write a helper class and extern 2 functions of that

grizzled laurel Apr 25, 2025, 6:39 PM

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molten sleet Thats What im doing

Cobalt — 19:31
I'm planning on writing my own shader cross compiler (GLSL->HLSL, SPIR-V, etc) for HaxeLumina

until then I can only test with LLGL/OpenGL

molten sleet Apr 25, 2025, 6:41 PM

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grizzled laurel > Cobalt — 19:31 > I'm planning on writing my own shader cross compiler (GLSL->H...

Yea
With glslang and spirv-cross

I refuse to write HLSL

grizzled laurel Apr 25, 2025, 6:42 PM

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that's not writing your own shader cross compiler then lol

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don't scare me like that

molten sleet Apr 25, 2025, 6:42 PM

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Technically its cross compiling the sources...

grizzled laurel Apr 25, 2025, 6:42 PM

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"Writing my own shader cross compiler"

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that is what you said

ionic badger Apr 25, 2025, 6:42 PM

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@clear domeCan't seem to figure out the right combo of client flags, do you happen to have any idea on what to put?

grizzled laurel Apr 25, 2025, 6:42 PM

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Your own

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and to that I said (summed up): "That is not a good idea"

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Ah whatever specifics don't matter, anyway.

molten sleet Apr 25, 2025, 6:44 PM

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English is a dumb language

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Lets all speak in machine code

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I'm not gonna manually write a parser for GLSL n stuff

grizzled laurel Apr 25, 2025, 6:45 PM

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good good

molten sleet Apr 25, 2025, 6:45 PM

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I'm just gonna combine two libraries

grizzled laurel Apr 25, 2025, 6:45 PM

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yes that is a good idea

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writing your own is not a good idea.

molten sleet Apr 25, 2025, 6:46 PM

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This project is large enough as is, im not planning to fully go insane

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May as well mine my own silicon at that point
Make my own CPU and GPU

grizzled laurel Apr 25, 2025, 6:47 PM

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I mean iirc Robert made alot of contributions to SPIRV-cross funnily enough

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wait let me check

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yeah he did

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Fun fact that you might have not known yet lol

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(creator of Kha)

molten sleet Apr 25, 2025, 6:48 PM

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Oh real

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Wait the creator of LLGL also contributed

void condor Apr 25, 2025, 8:00 PM

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good news, im an idiot

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turns out I disabled dirtyFlags and every control ran its transform calculation every frame... even when things didnt change. This is why I lost a lot perf in the text-demo. now we made an almost +30 fps jump in cppia

void condor Apr 25, 2025, 9:41 PM

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tweenxcore is such a useful little beast

ionic badger Apr 25, 2025, 9:43 PM

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i used that in the past

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good lib 😄

void condor Apr 25, 2025, 9:44 PM

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very so

void condor Apr 26, 2025, 10:09 AM

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@pearl slate hey where is your head at concerning haxe.ui.styles? Planning any changes there? If you want i can give you access to my computed styles & transition / animation rework

ionic badger Apr 26, 2025, 10:17 AM

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@void condor how does things like statics translate from host to client

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it seems like the host doesn't seem to run ceramic's scene setup, not sure what's going on

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class MainScene extends Scene {

    var logo:Quad;

        public function new() {
            super();
            trace('here');
        }
    override function preload() {

        // Add any asset you want to load here
        trace('here');
        assets.add(Images.CERAMIC);

    }

    override function create() {
        trace('here');
    }
}

the preload() and create() don't get called, but the constructor does get called

void condor Apr 26, 2025, 10:21 AM

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ionic badger <@270689574240518144> how does things like statics translate from host to client

statics? same as other fields? if its a class in the host and the client finds it in the class info list it will use the host ones

ionic badger Apr 26, 2025, 10:21 AM

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Oh! I lied, it does seem to work, what isn't working I think is the asset isn't being loaded 🤔

void condor Apr 26, 2025, 10:22 AM

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ionic badger ```hx class MainScene extends Scene { var logo:Quad; public functi...

change the string you print. you might get confused since its all the same string 😛

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altough by default it should show the line

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btw, make sure you compile your script with -debug to get line numbers

ionic badger Apr 26, 2025, 10:23 AM

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i have line numbers

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its cool, its working but kind of

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the create function only seems to get called once

void condor Apr 26, 2025, 10:24 AM

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ionic badger i have line numbers

maybe in prints, but not in stacktraces

ionic badger Apr 26, 2025, 10:24 AM

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is there something I need to do to tell it to rebuild the whole class?

void condor Apr 26, 2025, 10:25 AM

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I have literally no idea how your setup looks like 😄

ionic badger Apr 26, 2025, 10:26 AM

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sorry, new thing to play with is pretty fun 😅

void condor Apr 26, 2025, 10:27 AM

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lemme draw up how it works in cortex

ionic badger Apr 26, 2025, 10:28 AM

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class Main extends Entity {
    public static function main() {
        app.scenes.main = new MainScene();
    }
}
``` My scripts entry point is this

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for some reason I have to explicitly call create() which should be an automatic thing

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the tween is running but the quad isn't changing

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@clear dome It's possible, just might be some small tweaks 😄

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just noticed the tween does run 😄

clear dome Apr 26, 2025, 10:34 AM

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If you need to call an overrided method explicitly when that should be called already, that definitely look like a cppia bug

ionic badger Apr 26, 2025, 10:34 AM

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It could be, I had to drop down to 4.3.6 to get this to compile

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forgot about that

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the host is still on nightly haxe though

clear dome Apr 26, 2025, 10:36 AM

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I think some fixes in haxe5 are needed based on what I’ve seen on openfl discord

ionic badger Apr 26, 2025, 10:37 AM

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I'll try upgrading to absolutely latest nightly, my project wont run on that but i think that's fine for now

clear dome Apr 26, 2025, 10:37 AM

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Maybe dazKind doesn’t have such issue because he builds the whole project to cppia mostly

ionic badger Apr 26, 2025, 10:42 AM

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oh jeez, it compiles on latest nightly haxe

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but compile times are now 8.5s and create is still not called lol

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on 4.3.6 they were 2.5

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i'll stop playing, pretty cool that it's possible tho

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i'll keep the project around if anyone wants it to play with

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hm. relooking at the video, it looks like the old mainscene still exists

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and it draws over the top of it

void condor Apr 26, 2025, 11:10 AM

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sry, got distracted by super secret, super exciting haxe stuff

ionic badger Apr 26, 2025, 11:12 AM

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lol dw

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i'm happy to know that its possible to get cppia working

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just might require a deeper dive

void condor Apr 26, 2025, 11:21 AM

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ionic badger hm. relooking at the video, it looks like the old mainscene still exists

lifecycle is important. in cortex things are torn down with every reload

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as in it resets to a neutral state before the script is executed

ionic badger Apr 26, 2025, 11:22 AM

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I can probably set that up locally as a test but I don't think it will solve why create isn't called

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i don't understand why it isn't, preload gets called

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must be some logic in ceramic that isn't compatible with cppia

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seems weird tho

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ah well, fun for another day x)

void condor Apr 26, 2025, 11:30 AM

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in simple terms

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omitted the init / shutdown, that should clear any state you dont want to survive

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basically using static initialization as a registry mechanism instead of any main function / macro / type bullshit

ionic badger Apr 26, 2025, 11:57 AM

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I think it might be something to do with ceramic's build macros

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some init things aren't getting applied to the scenes that I have in the client

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i wonder if it would work if i add the main scene to the host

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Yeah, everything works if the scene is on the host

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this might actually be fine for my current use case though, because i'm not actually using scenes at all 😂

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I just want to be able to do haxeui dev a bit faster

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daz have any idea why compile times are 4x higher on latest nightly haxe?

clear dome Apr 26, 2025, 12:10 PM

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You are the emissary doing the exploration of ceramic+cppia, good luck xD

void condor Apr 26, 2025, 12:11 PM

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ionic badger daz have any idea why compile times are 4x higher on latest nightly haxe?

debug build of compiler?

ionic badger Apr 26, 2025, 12:12 PM

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void condor debug build of compiler?

ah, could be

ionic badger Apr 26, 2025, 12:13 PM

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clear dome You are the emissary doing the exploration of ceramic+cppia, good luck xD

next test, see if i can hotreload some haxeui stuff 😄

ionic badger Apr 26, 2025, 12:28 PM

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haxeui doesn't work, invalid cast

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maybe it's a setup issue as well, daz can compile haxeui via cppia🤔

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seems like cppia doesn't like something with haxeui grids

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it takes 14seconds to rebuild and previous components remain... but hey... its working

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14s rebuild isn't a nightly issue, occurs on 4.3.6 as well for some reason. No idea what randomly started to cause that

void condor Apr 26, 2025, 12:39 PM

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macros?

ionic badger Apr 26, 2025, 12:39 PM

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2hrs ago it was 2.5seconds rebuild time

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same setup

grizzled laurel Apr 26, 2025, 12:40 PM

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Tf

ionic badger Apr 26, 2025, 12:40 PM

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i assumed it was change of haxe version because that's when it occured but i just downgraded to 4.3 and the issue remains

void condor Apr 26, 2025, 12:40 PM

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ò.Ó

grizzled laurel Apr 26, 2025, 12:40 PM

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Cache pollution?

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Does cppia have a cache?

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It doesnt right??

void condor Apr 26, 2025, 12:41 PM

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nah

ionic badger Apr 26, 2025, 12:41 PM

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lol

grizzled laurel Apr 26, 2025, 12:41 PM

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That makes it even weirder honestly

ionic badger Apr 26, 2025, 12:41 PM

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manually typing haxe client.hxml

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4secs recompile

void condor Apr 26, 2025, 12:41 PM

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vscode sucks

ionic badger Apr 26, 2025, 12:41 PM

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using vscode 14s

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might be using ceramic's haxe which is an older nightly

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but, this path isn't worth going further

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4s recompile time is longer than my normal rebuild time

void condor Apr 26, 2025, 6:11 PM

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hmmm yoga is not re-flowing all subtrees correctly. I wonder what im doing wrong

void condor Apr 26, 2025, 8:35 PM

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finally

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gotta be careful, browsers do more shit to resolve flex-basis & constraints

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now my flex grid properly scales and adjust ❤️

molten sleet Apr 26, 2025, 8:55 PM

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Layouts? I just .x .y .w .h my way through life

crystal grove Apr 26, 2025, 8:57 PM

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I think about the "<v" layout engine once per day

void condor Apr 26, 2025, 9:07 PM

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gonna test the most expensive shit I can think of in the current setup

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rofl

void condor Apr 26, 2025, 9:38 PM

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[showcase] Here's a random fact about cortex' ui system: text blocks can be an illusion, every word a full-blown control/element with events, css styles, transitions & animations and mixed into the flexbox layout flow with other elements 🙈

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ok, this is awesome

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now I really gotta wire up the transfoms

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coz they will enable completely next level shit

scenic fjord Apr 26, 2025, 11:01 PM

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that's so fucking cool

robust olive Apr 27, 2025, 9:31 AM

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no need to write more logic to separate text and control it individually monkcheese

ionic badger Apr 27, 2025, 9:31 AM

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how are you positioning the inner interactive elements here

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<label text="hey wassup" />
``` is the way haxeui handles things, are you stringing together multiple label components?

void condor Apr 27, 2025, 11:19 AM

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Every word becomes a "label". The xml macro works sorta like html. it will split things up and generate the controls.

<div class="foo">Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet,<div class="logo_ai"/> consectetur adipiscing...</div>

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this is the default with the macro. In the end It's about flexibility. you have a couple of choices. Like all controls can also have a text property you can use (<div text='Lorem ipsum dolor...'>) and have a single control with a lot of text. The whole thing would layout as a single block(rectangle) and you can NOT mix other controls into its text flow

void condor Apr 27, 2025, 3:25 PM

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math kicks so much ass

void condor Apr 27, 2025, 3:43 PM

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since I moved to a matrix transfom(rotate, scale, skew, translate) per node I can no longer use simple axis-aligned bounding boxes for frustum culling and input. Had to math a little more and now it's all working pixel perfect without costing too much performance ❤️

crystal grove Apr 27, 2025, 3:44 PM

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Almost fainted thinking about doing this in openfl

void condor Apr 27, 2025, 3:55 PM

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crystal grove Almost fainted thinking about doing this in openfl

doesnt openfl's display list do the same? from my flash days i remember there was a matrix property somewhere

crystal grove Apr 27, 2025, 3:56 PM

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void condor doesnt openfl's display list do the same? from my flash days i remember there wa...

I’m thinking specifically about the text, the matrix math would work fine

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The relayout every time you hover… I think individual word shaping is cached now so it wouldn’t hit perf as badly

void condor Apr 27, 2025, 4:03 PM

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ah yes, my approach to text shaping/layout is very different. I just support basic shaping for now. No harfbuzz magic 😄

scenic fjord Apr 27, 2025, 4:06 PM

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void condor since I moved to a matrix transfom(rotate, scale, skew, translate) per node I ca...

holy shit this is awesome

ionic badger Apr 27, 2025, 4:46 PM

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void condor Every word becomes a "label". The xml macro works sorta like html. it will split...

oh wow, nested text is pretty bad ass

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what do your divs become? just haxeui box's?

grizzled laurel Apr 27, 2025, 5:11 PM

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void condor since I moved to a matrix transfom(rotate, scale, skew, translate) per node I ca...

Wait, it also transforms input back to coordinates on the component's surface??

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that's sick

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I guess it does make sense considering your goal is 3D UI

ionic badger Apr 27, 2025, 5:12 PM

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oh, those must become that flexbox lib you're talking about right?

void condor Apr 27, 2025, 5:32 PM

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ionic badger what do your divs become? just haxeui box's?

any html tag becomes a cortex.ui.core.Control, which then can be laid out by yoga or the user

void condor Apr 27, 2025, 5:33 PM

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grizzled laurel I guess it does make sense considering your goal is 3D UI

nono, the ui is exclusively 2D but can be rendered as a texture onto a 3D mesh

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the transforms supported by cortex.ui.core.Control is just a 2x3 Matrix that can be used to fake 3D. a real 3d object would require 3x4 minimum, so lotsa more ops

grizzled laurel Apr 27, 2025, 5:47 PM

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i see

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but the input can handle any 2d transformation?

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size, pos, skew, rotation, etc?

void condor Apr 27, 2025, 5:54 PM

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grizzled laurel but the input can handle any 2d transformation?

sure. here is how the slider deals with mouse clicks. rot, scale, skew, pos are included in a single matrix

grizzled laurel Apr 27, 2025, 5:55 PM

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yeah i see

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nice

ionic badger Apr 27, 2025, 6:04 PM

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I noticed the icons change colour when you hover over them, how are you doing that?

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do you just have highlight doubles of each icon or are you changing the icon colour itself?

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i would like to support that in the ceramic backend 👀

void condor Apr 27, 2025, 6:07 PM

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the icon list at the top? That's are actually text as well. I just change the color attribute on :hover in css.

ionic badger Apr 27, 2025, 6:08 PM

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ahhh!!! text icons, clever! never even thought about that!

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what font is that then? 😄

void condor Apr 27, 2025, 6:08 PM

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lemme check

ionic badger Apr 27, 2025, 6:08 PM

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do you just google icon font or something like that?

void condor Apr 27, 2025, 6:10 PM

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it's an older version of https://entypo.webflow.com that I use

Entypo

Entypo is a suite of 411 carefully crafted premium pictograms by Daniel Bruce.

ionic badger Apr 27, 2025, 6:11 PM

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damn that's such a cool idea 😄

green breach Apr 27, 2025, 6:12 PM

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what do you think emojis are

ionic badger Apr 27, 2025, 6:12 PM

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never thought about it

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just thought they were inline pictures

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or at least that's what i think i thought by thinking about it now

void condor Apr 27, 2025, 6:13 PM

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https://fonts.google.com/noto/specimen/Noto+Emoji

Google Fonts

Noto Emoji - Google Fonts

Noto Emoji is an open source font that has you covered for all your emoji needs, including support for the latest Unicode emoji specification. It has multiple w

clear dome Apr 27, 2025, 6:14 PM

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ionic badger damn that's such a cool idea 😄

Search ENTYPO in ceramic codebase 😛

ionic badger Apr 27, 2025, 6:17 PM

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clear dome Search ENTYPO in ceramic codebase 😛

i've never seen that come up :o

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ahh its in the elements plugin!

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i've done like 0 design stuff in years

green breach Apr 27, 2025, 6:24 PM

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it is a pretty old icon library

ionic badger Apr 27, 2025, 6:25 PM

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it's brand new to me haxepog

green breach Apr 27, 2025, 6:25 PM

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i like lucide, but it doesn't have filled icons

ionic badger Apr 27, 2025, 6:25 PM

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lucide is nice, but sometimes i want icons to change colour you know

green breach Apr 27, 2025, 6:25 PM

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you can do that with any icon library?

ionic badger Apr 27, 2025, 6:26 PM

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at runtime?

green breach Apr 27, 2025, 6:26 PM

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sure?

ionic badger Apr 27, 2025, 6:26 PM

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explain

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how do i take an image from lucide and change its colour at runtime

green breach Apr 27, 2025, 6:27 PM

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same way as entypo (turn it into a font) or you can just tint a white version of the icon

ionic badger Apr 27, 2025, 6:27 PM

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lucide is a font???

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i've been downloading images from there 🤣

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where's the "download as font" button

green breach Apr 27, 2025, 6:28 PM

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i think it has one

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https://github.com/lucide-icons/lucide/releases/tag/0.503.0

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in the releases here

ionic badger Apr 27, 2025, 6:28 PM

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nice!

green breach Apr 27, 2025, 6:28 PM

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not sure of how good an idea it is though, you would just be embedding every single icon

ionic badger Apr 27, 2025, 6:29 PM

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can consider that if I ever run into performance issues 😂

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i'd be surprised if a font took out ceramic tho

green breach Apr 27, 2025, 6:30 PM

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no, but it would be a very big bitmap

ionic badger Apr 27, 2025, 6:30 PM

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ahhh i see

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ah well, these are technical details i would evaluate at the time of implementation

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i'm just happy to learn of the new thing

pearl slate Apr 27, 2025, 6:31 PM

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green breach same way as entypo (turn it into a font) or you can just tint a white version of...

or you can just tint a white version of the icon

yeah, https://haxeui.org/builder/?7cce432e

green breach Apr 27, 2025, 6:32 PM

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anyways pretty sure with ceramic you can just set the color of an image and it'll tint it

ionic badger Apr 27, 2025, 6:32 PM

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pearl slate > or you can just tint a white version of the icon yeah, https://haxeui.org/bui...

that's what i initially thought daz was doing

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i don't know what the technical details of tinting is to implement it the backend

ionic badger Apr 27, 2025, 6:33 PM

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green breach anyways pretty sure with ceramic you can just set the color of an image and it'l...

i swear i tried that, but maybe i just haven't mapped it properly blobthinkingeyes

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this is how bg-color translates 😄

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need to figure out what tint maps to in backend land

pearl slate Apr 27, 2025, 6:35 PM

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ionic badger that's what i initially thought daz was doing

naw, i think das is using font glyphs, but the principle is the same: https://haxeui.org/builder/?b8a0c799

obviously with the text (non smilies) it doesnt make much sense, you could just use color

green breach Apr 27, 2025, 6:38 PM

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ionic badger need to figure out what `tint` maps to in backend land

check the ceramic demo

void condor Apr 27, 2025, 6:40 PM

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yeah fonts come with a few bonus things compared to normal images+filter

pearl slate Apr 27, 2025, 6:41 PM

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font size i would imagine?

void condor Apr 27, 2025, 6:42 PM

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weight, kerning etc. Im gonna add sdf support at some point then outlines etc

ionic badger Apr 27, 2025, 6:42 PM

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pearl slate naw, i think das is using font glyphs, but the principle is the same: https://ha...

bruh so easy 😄

pearl slate Apr 27, 2025, 6:42 PM

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void condor weight, kerning etc. Im gonna add sdf support at some point then outlines etc

weight is interesting, basically "stroke width"? Does it actually work / look right? Depends on the font / glyph?

ionic badger Apr 27, 2025, 6:43 PM

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I was literally thinking about 30 mins ago... hmm, i'm going to want to try and restyle that checkbox

void condor Apr 27, 2025, 6:43 PM

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ionic badger bruh so easy 😄

Here is a test string for ya: ‖ ℹ ← ↑ → ↓ ↰ ↳ ⇆ ∞ ⊕ ⊖ ⊞ ⊟ ⌂ ⌨ ⌫ ⏩ ⏪ ⏭ ⏮ ⏳ ⏴ ⏵ ⏶ ⏷ ■ ▴ ▶ ▸ ▾ ◂ ● ◑ ◴ ☁ ★ ☆ ☕ ☰ ☽ ♡ ♥ ♪ ♫ ⚏ ⚑ ⚒ ⚙ ⚠ ⚡ ⛈ ✇ ✈ ✉ ✎ ✒ ✓ ✖ ❌ ❎ ❓ ❞ ➕ ➖ ➡ ➢ ➦ ⟲ ⟳ ⬅ ⬆ ⬇                                                                        

ionic badger Apr 27, 2025, 6:43 PM

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what am i supposed to do with this 😂

void condor Apr 27, 2025, 6:44 PM

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copy it as string into your sample

ionic badger Apr 27, 2025, 6:44 PM

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i hope the roboto font will even render it

void condor Apr 27, 2025, 6:44 PM

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entypo will

ionic badger Apr 27, 2025, 6:44 PM

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ah entyo isn't available out of the box

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its in a plugin that i don't use

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will need to grab it

void condor Apr 27, 2025, 6:45 PM

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just add the font to your haxeui theme?

ionic badger Apr 27, 2025, 6:45 PM

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it's a bit of effort

void condor Apr 27, 2025, 6:45 PM

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assuming your backend loads the theme fonts/resources

ionic badger Apr 27, 2025, 6:46 PM

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gotta download, then convert the font to bitmap, then gotta preload

void condor Apr 27, 2025, 6:46 PM

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bitmap?!

ionic badger Apr 27, 2025, 6:46 PM

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ceramic doesn't read ttfs

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its possible to use for sure

clear dome Apr 27, 2025, 6:47 PM

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Ceramic uses msdf bitmap fonts

void condor Apr 27, 2025, 6:47 PM

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ah I see

clear dome Apr 27, 2025, 6:48 PM

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That being said it could be a thing to add runtime ttf/otf support, but that’s not a priority

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Basically if I were doing that it would create a bitmap font on the fly from ttf. Kha does that I believe

green breach Apr 27, 2025, 6:49 PM

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would be sick

clear dome Apr 27, 2025, 6:49 PM

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(At runtime)

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But latest Ceramic already allows to add a ttf or otf font in assets, and it is converted to msdf at build time (did it for my ld57)

molten sleet Apr 27, 2025, 6:59 PM

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clear dome Basically if I were doing that it would create a bitmap font on the fly from ttf...

*takes notes

ionic badger Apr 27, 2025, 6:59 PM

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clear dome Basically if I were doing that it would create a bitmap font on the fly from ttf...

any cons to that?

crystal grove Apr 27, 2025, 7:00 PM

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I feel like you could use bmfont on the command line

ionic badger Apr 27, 2025, 7:01 PM

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i don't have it installed and ceramic ships with a way to do it out of the box

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just being a bit lazy x)

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oh, i just downloaded entypo and its all svgs

clear dome Apr 27, 2025, 7:05 PM

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ionic badger any cons to that?

It needs a font rasterization library at runtime, so that’s one more thing you have to implement in every backend

ionic badger Apr 27, 2025, 7:05 PM

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ooff, what's the pros?

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main one being, can immediatly use ttfs?

molten sleet Apr 27, 2025, 8:12 PM

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so my plan for lumin-

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(generate MTSDF atlases at build-time for builtin + asset fonts, but include support or generating the atlases at runtime too)

void condor Apr 27, 2025, 8:45 PM

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imo, both has to be possible. right now cortex uses ttf + a dynamic atlas via nanovg & fontstash. once I need more quality stuff I add my old msdf tool in the resourcepipeline and tweak nanovg. maybe replace it with https://github.com/styluslabs/nanovgXC. we'll see. we accept shitty font visuals for now

ionic badger Apr 27, 2025, 8:47 PM

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you say shit, but the videos seem to all show some quite good looking text

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certainly usable any how

green breach Apr 27, 2025, 8:48 PM

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you are comparing it to haxeui-ceramic text tho

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(sorry)

ionic badger Apr 27, 2025, 8:48 PM

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it aint too bad these days

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like, this all seems quite nice to me

green breach Apr 27, 2025, 8:50 PM

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oh you been styling your finance thing?

ionic badger Apr 27, 2025, 8:50 PM

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trying to***

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😄

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thoughts on the colours? they seem a bit off to me

void condor Apr 27, 2025, 8:52 PM

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a bit too constrasty

green breach Apr 27, 2025, 8:53 PM

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there are a lot of colors going on

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i gotta finish something up, but after that I'll make a few mock ups

clear dome Apr 27, 2025, 9:25 PM

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green breach you are comparing it to haxeui-ceramic text tho

To be fair, I think you can make good looking text with Ceramic msdf fonts, given that it’s properly scaled for the screen

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Using ttf at runtime wouldn’t give a very different visual output. At the end, you are rasterizing font glyphs to bitmap font glyphs and displaying them

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ttf runtime support can still be useful, for example when you need to support CJK characters, or if you want to use system fonts

green breach Apr 27, 2025, 9:30 PM

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nah i have no beef with ceramic's font rendering, just messing with !b

clear dome Apr 27, 2025, 9:31 PM

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In terms of workflow, being able to just put a ttf/otf font in assets folder is already a nice addition that doesn’t add any runtime requirements

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Anyway, if I add runtime font rasterization, it will be optional, from a ceramic plugin

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I am also thinking about supporting (optional) meta files next to asset files. Tried to avoid them, but getting more and more use cases where it could be useful, like when putting a ttf font and wanting to configure the rasterization settings, which list of characters to include etc…

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(For now just thinking, nothing planned short term, but might be added in a future version of Ceramic)

void condor Apr 27, 2025, 9:40 PM

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clear dome I am also thinking about supporting (optional) meta files next to asset files. T...

😉 one of my old engine's meta files

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current version of the concept in cortex

ionic badger Apr 27, 2025, 9:41 PM

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cool idea, especially with icon fonts being a thing

void condor Apr 27, 2025, 9:41 PM

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the good thing is that you can also include target specific override settings

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downside: you need some cli tools or an editor to manage these files easily

clear dome Apr 27, 2025, 9:50 PM

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On ceramic, obviously, that will be yaml heh

ionic badger Apr 27, 2025, 9:52 PM

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lol

green breach Apr 27, 2025, 9:52 PM

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aw man i was hoping for sqlite

void condor Apr 27, 2025, 9:54 PM

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clear dome On ceramic, obviously, that will be yaml heh

disappointing. I was hoping for plist

green breach Apr 27, 2025, 9:54 PM

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isnt that just xml lol

clear dome Apr 27, 2025, 9:55 PM

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green breach isnt that just xml lol

It's XML structured like JSON

green breach Apr 27, 2025, 9:55 PM

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o

clear dome Apr 27, 2025, 9:55 PM

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Which is a shame, because you get the downsides of both JSON and XML and no upside

void condor Apr 27, 2025, 9:56 PM

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xD

clear dome Apr 27, 2025, 9:56 PM

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The other interrogation I have is what file extension to use. Just .meta files like in Unity? Maybe that's the most straightforward idk

green breach Apr 27, 2025, 9:57 PM

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.meta.yml

clear dome Apr 27, 2025, 9:57 PM

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Though about this

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but meh

green breach Apr 27, 2025, 9:57 PM

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.ttf.yml lol

clear dome Apr 27, 2025, 9:57 PM

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nah

ionic badger Apr 27, 2025, 9:57 PM

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.ini

void condor Apr 27, 2025, 9:58 PM

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I just suffix .cxr 😛

green breach Apr 27, 2025, 9:58 PM

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yeah use the .ini extension but have yaml inside it

ionic badger Apr 27, 2025, 9:58 PM

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😄

clear dome Apr 27, 2025, 9:58 PM

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void condor I just suffix `.cxr` 😛

what's cxr

ionic badger Apr 27, 2025, 9:58 PM

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cortex

clear dome Apr 27, 2025, 9:58 PM

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Ah lol

void condor Apr 27, 2025, 9:58 PM

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shit I made up, cortex-resource

clear dome Apr 27, 2025, 9:59 PM

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.cer

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(but that's already a "certificate" extension, not "ceramic resource")

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For now best candidate is just .meta, but as long as it's not done, it's not definitive

green breach Apr 27, 2025, 10:01 PM

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there is a really funny discord message (that I can't find right now) from the founder of Hashicorp (and creator of HCL) talking about meeting the designer of yaml

molten sleet Apr 30, 2025, 2:49 AM

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scenic fjord Apr 30, 2025, 4:05 AM

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i recognized that example instantly lol

void condor May 1, 2025, 6:39 PM

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What a week

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I love my job, but holy shit is it time consuming

clear dome May 1, 2025, 7:40 PM

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@void condor #787070137756418079 message still inheritance issues with haxe 4.3.7 and cppia apparently 😦

ionic badger May 1, 2025, 7:42 PM

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clear dome <@270689574240518144> https://discord.com/channels/415681294446493696/7870701377...

the issues don't occur on nightly

clear dome May 1, 2025, 7:43 PM

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ionic badger the issues don't occur on nightly

Not sure, apparently it doesn’t happen on « simple use cases »

ionic badger May 1, 2025, 7:43 PM

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cppia + ceramic works, it has some issues with ceramic but they're macro setup issues

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i think if it can work with ceramic its pretty solid - no?

clear dome May 1, 2025, 7:44 PM

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ionic badger cppia + ceramic works, it has some issues with ceramic but they're macro setup i...

It works until it doesn’t, can’t rely on cppia if it breaks randomly on a bigger project, that’s what happened to me the first time I tried it, small projects worked, Make More Views didn’t

ionic badger May 1, 2025, 7:44 PM

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clear dome It works until it doesn’t, can’t rely on cppia if it breaks randomly on a bigger...

interesting that it worked for you 🤔

clear dome May 1, 2025, 7:45 PM

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ionic badger i think if it can work with ceramic its pretty solid - no?

Can’t say it work without testing it on large codebases. If some day it works on my bigger Ceramic projects, I may start to trust it, but apparently from other devs feeback we aren’t there yet

ionic badger May 1, 2025, 7:46 PM

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Fair I guess, I gave up on investigating it because haxeui + ceramic on cppia took longer to compile than electron and a new project

clear dome May 1, 2025, 7:47 PM

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I’m pretty sure daz doesn’t hit that issue because he builds everything with cppia so nothing in cppia part has to inherit from host part

ionic badger May 1, 2025, 7:47 PM

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oh, that makes sense

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do you have a repro for the issue at all? I could test it with my cppia setup

void condor May 1, 2025, 7:49 PM

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clear dome I’m pretty sure daz doesn’t hit that issue because he builds everything with cpp...

no. I use inheritance for all kinds of things. I specifically compile the engine core into the host and derive from stuff once it gets stable. I guess you are triggering an edge case that is off the beaten path. If you cant debug or report it, chances for a fix are low. So I guess no cppia for you? 😄

clear dome May 1, 2025, 7:50 PM

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void condor no. I use inheritance for all kinds of things. I specifically compile the engine...

When I hit the issue, I tried to reproduce it on a smaller project that I could share, but no, it only happened on the actual game project and I can’t share that one

ionic badger May 1, 2025, 7:51 PM

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does the openfl one you linked have any simple repro?

clear dome May 1, 2025, 7:55 PM

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ionic badger does the openfl one you linked have any simple repro?

He is trying to make a repro case too apparently

void condor May 1, 2025, 7:55 PM

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clear dome When I hit the issue, I tried to reproduce it on a smaller project that I could ...

though luck, but fair. I would have prolly compared the virtual lookups in the runtime for both sample and project to get an idea

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again, this cppia stuff is no rocketscience when it comes down to how it works

molten sleet May 1, 2025, 7:56 PM

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Cortex/HL when trolley

ionic badger May 1, 2025, 7:56 PM

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i don't think it'll happen

void condor May 1, 2025, 7:56 PM

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molten sleet Cortex/HL when <:trolley:1040246909413113899>

oh I can answer that: never

ionic badger May 1, 2025, 7:56 PM

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cppia is pretty op for daz 😂

void condor May 1, 2025, 8:00 PM

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I dont get why people find HL interesting. It's just an improved neko that reinvents a lot of shit like externs and bindings, needs its own GC, barely works in C builds and has no host + script interop.

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Like on paper hxcpp + cppia is better in every way for even more years

ionic badger May 1, 2025, 8:01 PM

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in the outer haxe world hl is the quick compile target

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so it just gets natural attention

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cppia is a buried thing that nobody knows about or has planned to work with

void condor May 1, 2025, 8:02 PM

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nah, it's bc it's visible through shiro

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there is a financial backing for it

molten sleet May 1, 2025, 8:02 PM

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HL is more supported in the haxe foundation

Tier 3 vs Tier 2 (hxcpp)

ionic badger May 1, 2025, 8:03 PM

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all that means is that the foundation will invest time into it themself

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it doesn't necessarily mean that hl is better or worse

void condor May 1, 2025, 8:03 PM

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does anything HL even work on mobile?

ionic badger May 1, 2025, 8:04 PM

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its possible but i believe its buggy/untested

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i remember asking about this a long while ago in the heaps channel and someone mentioned that deadcells had a hl mobile version but it was so buggy, it was pulled, they hired a 3rd party to port it to android/mobile and released that instead

void condor May 1, 2025, 8:04 PM

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well, anything that shiro doesnt release for is buggy and untested

ionic badger May 1, 2025, 8:05 PM

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but that's a secondary source, no idea on how true that is

void condor May 1, 2025, 8:06 PM

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noone in their right mind will pick HL to release something commercial except for shiro. sad fact

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on the other side: hxcpp has made millionaires

ionic badger May 1, 2025, 8:06 PM

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they don't need to target anything but windows because they've got massive reach

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hl can compile to linux but they ship the windows executable and have it run through wine instead

void condor May 1, 2025, 8:07 PM

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that's what I call a deadend. I wonder if you can easily reverse engineer the source code from bytecode

ionic badger May 1, 2025, 8:08 PM

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however they do have someone working on hl now and i think they're pretty interested in better cross platform support

void condor May 1, 2025, 8:09 PM

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"they" are. but noone else really. And if I have to choose I'd rather stick to community supported tech (hxcpp) than company supported tech (HL)

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any PR you send to HL will get eyed as a risk or low prio for Shiro internals, so it will linger around till they find it useful

clear dome May 1, 2025, 8:11 PM

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void condor though luck, but fair. I would have prolly compared the virtual lookups in the r...

If I ever happen to try cppia with Ceramic and hit similar issue, don’t worry you’ll be the first pinged person 😂

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I’d ask for help to investigate it for sure

void condor May 1, 2025, 8:12 PM

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clear dome I’d ask for help to investigate it for sure

I wouldnt worry till hx5 release

clear dome May 1, 2025, 8:12 PM

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But I’ll likely wait for more positive feeback of devs trying it before doing that myself

clear dome May 1, 2025, 8:12 PM

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void condor I wouldnt worry till hx5 release

Things will break in hx5?

void condor May 1, 2025, 8:14 PM

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clear dome Things will break in hx5?

nightlies have fixes and improvements all over the place. I lost track so I dont bother with official versions for cortex anymore

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with hx5 stuff should finally be in the right place

grizzled laurel May 1, 2025, 8:15 PM

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I can't wait until hx5 release honestly

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an evening porting everything over sounds lovely to me

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and I don't mean that sarcastically

ionic badger May 1, 2025, 8:15 PM

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what exactly is it about your setup that makes it so quick to compile daz? is it mostly a lack of macros in the host?

void condor May 1, 2025, 8:16 PM

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ionic badger what exactly is it about your setup that makes it so quick to compile daz? is it...

which compile you talking about?

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host or script

molten sleet May 1, 2025, 8:16 PM

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void condor that's what I call a deadend. I wonder if you can easily reverse engineer the so...

Pretty sure theres a rust package for that

ionic badger May 1, 2025, 8:16 PM

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cppia reloads/scripts

molten sleet May 1, 2025, 8:16 PM

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ionic badger hl can compile to linux but they ship the windows executable and have it run thr...

why??
I have HL on linux native and it runs fine 😭

ionic badger May 1, 2025, 8:17 PM

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because windows and wine is tested more than hl and linux

void condor May 1, 2025, 8:17 PM

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ionic badger cppia reloads/scripts

you can check with defines and --times where you spend the time

ionic badger May 1, 2025, 8:17 PM

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it's a sensible approach for a low playerbase platform

clear dome May 1, 2025, 8:18 PM

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Meanwhile I’m sticking to web target for reasonably fast iterations

void condor May 1, 2025, 8:18 PM

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macros and file access plays a big role. esp under windows make sure you to keep an eye on Defender, most exe's and file accesses are actually slowed down by the antivirus

molten sleet May 1, 2025, 8:18 PM

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I was gonna target HL primarily for haxelumina
I learned how to make extensions for it

ionic badger May 1, 2025, 8:19 PM

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void condor you can check with defines and `--times` where you spend the time

7s on "filters" whatever that means 😄

grizzled laurel May 1, 2025, 8:19 PM

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void condor macros and file access plays a big role. esp under windows make sure you to keep...

and that's why i always put exclusions on my projects folder :P

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