Place units in the middle depending on their original position | Legion TD 2 | Page 1

graceful lynx Nov 14, 2023, 4:44 PM

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I think it would be better if the units that survived the wave were placed according to their starting position in the lane instead of being placed randomly there. A unit that was built in front of another unit shouldn't spawn behind this unit in the middle.

This would remove some RNG that can be quite impactful sometimes and is not related to skill at all because no one has any control on it (afaik).

Example from one of my recent games: an azeria with divine blessing was built in front of a vulcan. Both survived the wave, the vulcan full hp and the azeria with 1% hp. The azeria spawned behind the vulcan to catch the leak, nearly saving the divine blessing because of the randomness of spawns.

raven lagoon Nov 14, 2023, 4:48 PM

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Placement in the middle is randomly determined left to right, but front to back is somewhat coded

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Tanks go in front, dps go in back

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Theres some exceptions like gun where it doesnt move so they placed it forward

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Remember that players are kinda abusing the system and split tanking when they put their ranged units in front on their own boards

graceful lynx Nov 14, 2023, 4:50 PM

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I see, then this should be explained somewhere in the game. Hidden game mechanics like that are bad.

raven lagoon Nov 14, 2023, 4:51 PM

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Its kinda like spawn positions for merc sends no? Not really explained but somewhat understood?

graceful lynx Nov 14, 2023, 4:51 PM

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It's the same, meaning that it should be explained somewhere in the game. I never heard about merc spawn position before having like 500h played.

raven lagoon Nov 14, 2023, 4:52 PM

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I stand with u about explaining merc spawns, but i dont think back spawns need to be explained the same way

graceful lynx Nov 14, 2023, 4:53 PM

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Why hide it? Hidden game mechanics that can influence if you win or lose a game are not a good idea imo

raven lagoon Nov 14, 2023, 4:53 PM

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If you have no control over it, why explain it?

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Mercs u can influence, but back spawn you have no control

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Both in how much you have alive, nor where they spawn left or right

graceful lynx Nov 14, 2023, 4:54 PM

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because it feels bad if you think it's random

raven lagoon Nov 14, 2023, 4:54 PM

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Left right is random

graceful lynx Nov 14, 2023, 4:55 PM

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and I think it shouldn't be

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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hence my suggestion

raven lagoon Nov 14, 2023, 4:56 PM

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How would that apply to 4v4?

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Far left and far right?

graceful lynx Nov 14, 2023, 4:57 PM

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I don't mind it being random in 4v4, I don't see it as a "serious" game mode. So more RNG isn't an issue there.

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I think that's why you can pick stuff like hybrid in 4v4.

raven lagoon Nov 14, 2023, 4:58 PM

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Lets say the spawn placement idea is put in, would the back spawns be 1 to 1?

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Boar in the very back and serpent at the top of the lane?

graceful lynx Nov 14, 2023, 4:59 PM

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no, because as you said, tanks are in front and dps are in back

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but if you put a boar on the right wall, it should spawn in the middle on the right side of the tank spawns

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that way, it's deterministic

raven lagoon Nov 14, 2023, 5:00 PM

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Ok so nothing about front back like the header then?

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U fine with current placement front to back and just want left right to be same?

graceful lynx Nov 14, 2023, 5:00 PM

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yes, I thought it was random, that's why I wrote it like that

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I just want it to not be random

raven lagoon Nov 14, 2023, 5:01 PM

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I would support left right general spawns to be the same, but i dont think anything really changes

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