Just hit head 
#siege
dusk tinsel
dusk tinsel
Thanks to that mindset I’m now part of the champions club 
long python
should i do my kovaaks routine even though i dont want to bc i feel unmotivated and have basically no drive
granite ivy
Depends, discipline means doing stuff you don’t wanna do. But we’re talking about videogames in the end so I’m not gonna take it that seriously
Take a break and chill a bit
It should be fun
Otherwise, why do it?
night radish
Nah if youre not motivated its a waste
dusk tinsel
If you don’t feel like playing then don’t play
Don’t force yourself to play things you don’t want to do in the moment
Especially since it is video games
dusk tinsel
LOL
long python
@dusk tinsel right, sometimes i force myself to
but i wont do that from now on, i dont wanna associate that feeling with kovaakd
astral dagger
my performance is always so dog shit
1 day or 2 of insane skills i hit all my shots carry all my games
then a week of shit
cant hit shots
etc
worn wagon
Early grinder, I see
I'd probably join if I would have slept for atleast a couple of hours
normal bloom
what game do you guys think has the most satisfying gunplay and which weapon is the most satisfying?
astral dagger
cosmic swift
what is this games hit reg'
astral dagger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SEs_7yb-q0 title is clickbaitish but the t hunt seems a good idea
vivid jolt
Twitter
Twitter
Yannis Mallat (head of Canadian studios) is gone
This dude was the head lead in Siege.
noble belfry
Wonder who will replace him
I imagine an internal that no-one really knows, but still I wonder how it'll affect the game
Turns out he got a similar degree to what I'm working on at uni, maybe time to expat to Canada and try work my way up...
noble belfry
I wonder what it'll play like the robot theme is interesting
I hope its fun like golden gun at least and not just something stupid
vivid jolt
Almost certainly something stupid.
static sentinel
Maybe Hyperscape promotion?
vivid jolt
@astral dagger No, you do not have to.
long python
ive 10k
astral dagger
@vivid jolt you need to tell them change that it's confusing
vivid jolt
It's for people who don't know what FOV to use.
Obviously you know what FOV you need to use.
astral dagger
is this thaqil guy actually any good isn't he on like 9cm hip and 16cm 1x?
vivid jolt
No he's buns. 
astral dagger
but it says "no scores below 103 will be accepted"
though so i never watched him much but though he was shit from the little i watched
vivid jolt
Yes, but no Siege aspect ratio you will use will be under 103OW.
You're fine.
It's just to prevent cheesing.
vivid jolt
noble belfry
I think he is under 103OW if hes still using 80 4:3 (96 hfov) or was I wrong?
astral dagger
using 4:3 84 fov now
how would they even know tho?
also btw when i plau vacks i dont copy siege fov i use ow 103
dusk tinsel
I always thought I was forced to use 103 ow
vivid jolt
As long as you're not cheesing, you're fine.
No, nobody will be able to tell if you're 3FOV under the requirement. Nor will it make a difference.
long python
i thought thaqil was p good
i mean his aim
AGH I CANT DECIDE
i like both 4:3 and 16:10
granite ivy
Nah, thaqil is super average. The perfect example of a plat2 that gets to diamond stacking. Nothing wrong with that tho, I like his content
granite ivy
Also, @vivid jolt is the OW FOV scale just siege’s hFOV?
So, 4:3 90 siege would be 106 OW?
Yes, but you’re a toxic cesspool haerls
granite ivy
Agreed
granite ivy
All the “hOw A cHaMpIoN wIpEs HiS AsS” videos are boring
At least beaulo makes fun of them with his titles
astral dagger
ye
granite ivy
He’s the og so I can’t blame him
granite ivy
Plus he’s actually entertaining (unlike godly yikes)
Skittlz videos are also pretty good
astral dagger
godly has lowest clip standards ever
ye skittlz brings in some personality
in his new vids
long python
i dont fall asleep in the middle of skittlz vids at least lul
granite ivy
Yeah, skittlz and his buddies are funny at least
long python
right
granite ivy
Also, beaujoman is relationship goals
long python
tru lul
astral dagger
yea
long python
better than twilight
long python
can someone explain why thaqil is bad
long python
rite
granite ivy
It’s like watching macie jay
astral dagger
i watch beaulo from time to time
and skittlz
merctages also good
all the other stuff is so boring
granite ivy
Yeah, he’s boring but he’s such a nice guy I can’t hate on him
astral dagger
idk spoit is insane but his content is the same everyone else does
granite ivy
But my point is that if I’m watching ranked at least I want some insane mechanics
astral dagger
ye
long python
its not the same "HOW A CHAMPION ABSOLUTELY DESTROYS THE ENEMY TEAM 😎" bs
astral dagger
ye
granite ivy
His vids are aight
astral dagger
hes good
granite ivy
But yeah, not a ton of interesting siege content
long python
btw, can someone help me cuz idk what op to buy
long python
lemme send a pic
granite ivy
True, shaiiko vids are nice
granite ivy
I’d say you need some more defenders
long python
i dont really need a defender bcuz i already main smoke
granite ivy
Attackers-wise you’re set up
granite ivy
Yeah but, you’re missing out on ops like wamai, goyo, melusi, mozzie and echo (if he isn’t banned lul)
All super super strong
astral dagger
wamai you can lock down one position all on your own
even better than lesion
good solo q
long python
right
granite ivy
I’d say wamai or mozzie, he’s pretty strong and really fun
long python
is there a video guide somewhere
granite ivy
Great guns too
long python
ive been trying out mozzie hes rly fun
granite ivy
The roni is 👌
long python
wamai as well
astral dagger
@granite ivy he alrdy has vigil, mozzie not needed
vivid jolt
99% of channels is 10 minute frag compilations
I mean can you blame them? BikiniBodhi spinning on the ground with Clash for 10 minutes isn't entertaining either. There's not a whole lot you can do everyday in an FPS that other's can't do. Both of them make bank views, though.
long python
ill get me a wamai then
vivid jolt
What else is there to do in an FPS?
astral dagger
due to that i dont rly watch any siege content
ye ik toast
well you could bring in some personality
like skittlz does f. e.
vivid jolt
Fair point.
I think that's what Serenity and MacieJay did so well.
They were not only the first and skillful, but they were also a personality of themselves rather than just their clips.
astral dagger
or combine information and insane frags
in one
ye macie and serenity were likeable nice ppl, did a lot of informative content
and were rly skilled
long python
i cannot, decide between 16:10 and 4:3
vivid jolt
@long python 3:2.
vivid jolt
I've seen the light a few months ago. It has the non-stretched-ugly look of 16:10 but the targets are still bigger.
solid rampart
same
vivid jolt
Why would I be kidding? The FOV comparisons are pinned.
solid rampart
3:2 best res
astral dagger
you and alex were like 'nah its only few fov diff to 16 10'
vivid jolt
It is.
long python
ty
astral dagger
75 wtf jord
vivid jolt
.....75?
astral dagger
nah i played
long python
so how is 3:2 better?
astral dagger
78
was alrdy shit
I've seen the light a few months ago. It has the non-stretched-ugly look of 16:10 but the targets are still bigger.
@vivid jolt
@long python
solid rampart
haerls, i swear
vivid jolt
Jord that is hideous.
vivid jolt
That's just 5:4 @86fov, but you lose out on 11 vertical FOV.
astral dagger
you do you jord
solid rampart
feels amazing tho
vivid jolt
That's just hurting your vertical peripheral for no reason.
solid rampart
alex plays like 72 fov
astral dagger
i have alrdy performed better on retarded settings then on the perfectly optimized ones
vivid jolt
If he wants to play on controller on Ash he can as well but I'm still going to tell him that's undeniably ass.
astral dagger
just cuz they felt better for me individually
long python
opinions on 5:4
static sentinel
gay
vivid jolt
Better be playing passively.
solid rampart
5:4 is gay
solid rampart
still beat tho
astral dagger
5:4 is ass
solid rampart
its really not bad toast
noble belfry
Also interested in the results
Did they just announce releasing hyperscape or am I misunderstanding the dude on the ubi broadcast
noble belfry
nice
vivid jolt
At least from what I've observed from analyzing a myriad of voluptuously illustrated female caricatures, I'd have to say 1440p for the optimal results.
noble belfry
Looks like hyper scapes coming with new stuff today too pretty cool
vivid jolt
Don't quote me on that. It still requires further investigation.
noble belfry
I wonder how the females look on 4k
granite ivy
@static sentinel iq elite on 4:3/5:4 is :chefkiss:
I know u silly bot
No need to remind me I’m poor
;-;
Wait where did the bot message go? Lol
noble belfry
Pretty sure you're just talking to yourself
velvet fern
Fun!
velvet fern
Siege is not siege without:
astral dagger
yep xd
idk they shouldve done it like cs
where only rly the ppl q'ing with the cheater get punished
this shit is annoying
i dont even think it would cause that much inflation
velvet fern
"We could spend a bit more time into programing it to ban people who Queue with cheater, but we cant even bother with fixing the minimal issues why start there?"
astral dagger
XD
granite ivy
Tbf, Ubi have said that only giving back mmr for loses against cheaters caused mmr inflation
It’s kind of annoying when you win with closet cheaters but there’s no good alternative
astral dagger
it only causes inflation
cuz the rank system is this shit
if ranks would be more spaced out and /or we had promotion matches
it wouldnt be that much of a deal
or if cheaters would get detected earlier
and not play hundreds of matches before they get banned
It’s kind of annoying when you win with closet cheaters but there’s no good alternative
@granite ivy just cover up for them fucking up so many other things
granite ivy
Even if ranks were more spaced out there would be inflation, and spacing ranks out even more would make plat and diamond even harder to climb through considering how low the minimum MMR ends up being
astral dagger
"spacing them out even more"
granite ivy
I agree that the system is flawed, but it’s just not easy to implement a working MMR system in a team based game
astral dagger
ranks in siege are insanely close
besides the latest
reduce starting mmr
space out the low ranks
its not that hard
granite ivy
Not really, 400 points is a lot once you get to win 30 per game
astral dagger
I agree that the system is flawed, but it’s just not easy to implement a working MMR system in a team based game
@granite ivy then how did any other competitive game manage to fuck it up less ?
granite ivy
Do they? I have no experience with mobas, but it seems like other fps where determining impact isn’t possible have similar issues
CS doesn’t have hard resets but there’s a huge amount of cheaters, val is doing better but they had to introduce vanguard
OW I don’t really know so no comments
astral dagger
cs
is fine
even with the cheaters theres not a lot of inflation
mobas are also fine , leagues ranked system is based
and yeah
val is doing better too
ow role q thing was a mess asfaik and huge cheater issue
but the ranked system itself works
Not really, 400 points is a lot once you get to win 30 per game
@granite ivy just said "space out the low ranks" which are 4x less per step
granite ivy
Well then maybe, but are there even a ton of cheaters below gold?
I don’t really know, but I got the impression that cheaters were an issue on gold+
astral dagger
yep
a shit ton
mainly closets
not the spinning ones
they are still blatant
and even if there werent that many cheaters in low elo
the point is
to space out the low ranks and reduce the starting elo
then delete this shitty mmr gain decrease scalling with games played
so you rank up evenly and the ladder isnt a racing game
so bots dont end up in decent ranks
granite ivy
Those would be some nice changes to test out
mortal notch
just decrease size of plat ranks
and make a diamond 1-3
now youve got actual meaningful ranks
as opposed to each rank in plat being worth almost the entirety of silver, bronze or copper
astral dagger
Wouldnt fix the issue of bots ending up in plat etc
and you would still skip 80% of the ladder if you are half decent
diamond 1-3 good idea
but make low ranks same size as plat ranks, dont reduce plat
nah dimaond 1-2
then champ
so plat has 3 ranks
diamond 2
and champ is just 1 rank with 1-999
mortal notch
except it wouldnt be skipping quite 80% anymore
8 ranks above gold
18 ranks below
astral dagger
just vibing in mw while listening to chris chan documentary
astral dagger
😭
vivid jolt
The real mistake here is he's using the MG32.
static sentinel
@mortal notch #siege is different
Its more of its own community rather than just another channel for game related topics
astral dagger
^^
Also I just though about it
Look at all the shit flashing and popping up in the HUD
inland lark
Will your aim level go to shit if you start to not play kovaaks or will it just stay
astral dagger
i think it will stay the same if u are playing other games
frank compass
@inland lark I can let you know in a few months when I stop playing WoW and attempt to play an FPS game :)
inland lark
Haha okay okay
night radish
Aljo got so invested into WoW he stopped typing in siege chat
worn wagon
I am pretty sure that your aim won't go to shit
from my experience a lot of scenarios are there to develop how you think, what you focus on/how you split your attention, how you approach things, how you keep track of things
your mind won't forget that
worn wagon
What else beyond mouse control traning, consious focus on movement, positioning, xhair positioning, recoil control can I do to be a better fragger?
night radish
Arent you a coach? Not being a dick, i just feel like I should be asking you that question
A good answer imo would be proper use of info/utility
astral dagger
decision making in clutches\
lime wyvern
getting droned in
worn wagon
Well, my question is aimed in general towards fps games
Thing is, I am exploring opportunities both as a player and as a coach right now
And the typical answer is
gamesense related stuff
Which, I am really confident in
astral dagger
awareness is impotant
having a general understanding of whats going on
around you
worn wagon
So if there is another thing I can conciously train like aim, positioning etc
I will do that
vivid jolt
Twitter
Honestly I don't disagree with the main thought. Fanatic is the only team worth anything to the world stage at this point. It'll take too much to get most of their teams up to par. Need way more LANs.
I just feel like EU/NA will keep syphoning all the upcoming players.
noble belfry
Have you watched any of the APAC games recentely though?
I don't think Fanatic can compete globally at this point
vivid jolt
That's true, I haven't this season. Though I've seen no highlights or chatters of impressive new teams/players like I have with all the other regions so far.
vivid jolt
But many of Giants' team doesn't have the LAN experience that Fnatic's core does. So I don't count them higher performing on the world stage when it counts than Fnatic yet. Of course I'm speaking generally not seasonally anyways.
noble belfry
Oh no 2, I must of missed the second win
Yeah I agree
I would be interested to see how the teams would play globally, but with COVID yeah
I don't think it would be pretty though, I also agree/wouldn't be surprised if the scene was dead soonish
noble belfry
Yeah I mean ubi have probably pumped too much money into making this whole new league system for it to die in terms of being non-existent, its just a little sad
vivid jolt
DarkZero vs SpaceStation is going to be HEAT.
noble belfry
Yeah I'm hoping it'll be a good one
I'm still lowkey rooting for OXG to keep on the way they are
astral dagger
hmm
i agree apac pro teams arent very great
there are a few teams/players that have something going though
velvet fern
noble belfry
394?
astral dagger
C R A C K
noble belfry
9 is the correct and well palced in the first one, 4 is the only repetition in between the second and 3rd line so must also be correct and must be last because it can't be first or second
Can't be 2, because it shows up too often basically, so therefore must be 3 and first?
this explanation could be written so much nicer
but yeah why am I doing this?
noble belfry
Yeah that was how I started
By knowing 5 is eliminanted you can sort line 2 and figure out between line 1 and 2 that 4 is correct, know 4 is correct and its right position should be last, you find 9, then its the matter of what number is the first one, use line 3 you know it must be 3 or 6 however using the last line you know it can't be 6, so therefore its 394
bit nicer written up but still yeah why
velvet fern
Similar thought process.
static sentinel
lime wyvern
that happened in my last match
noble belfry
You getting an i9?
velvet fern
Yeah
noble belfry
velvet fern
Surprised it’s running out!
noble belfry
Getting a newbuild too even if its a terrible time, I want to join the 144+fps gang
velvet fern
Specs? @noble belfry
noble belfry
velvet fern
It’s primarily used for multi tasking and video editing .
I have an i7 9700 rn and it’s amazing for gaming.
worn wagon
I9 isn't for gaming? what the hell is it for then?
Ryzen 9/Threadripper are 100% better bang for your buck in multi-threaded workloads
vivid jolt
I mean it's great for gaming. But it's main power increase comes from multi-tasking.
It's not like it's worse for gaming. It's better. Just not it's main purpose.
worn wagon
I mean the only reason to get it is for pros who need threads tbh
Like 240hz dependent pros
worn wagon
yeah, ctzn with the wrong gun choice, wth
vivid jolt
Commando all day.
velvet fern
What kinda strats?
worn wagon
objectively wrong
nothing unusual tbh
yet
just a utility dump, shield for a plant
vivid jolt
Man, y'all some bandwagoners. The G8 fucking sucks.
vivid jolt
It's not objectively wrong.
astral dagger
i get 300fps on max settings in siege now
velvet fern
^^
astral dagger
oh so thats why every pro and their grandma uses the g8 
vivid jolt
Half the pros use extended barrel. I just saw Kanto using a suppressor in that last match.
Being good =/= being smart.
astral dagger
are you sure?
regardless, fire rate and low recoil enable the best use of skill
1shs is always faster than dps
but mini
even if it is arbitrary it is still true
yOu aIm cHesT hOw hEaDsHot ?
Hypocrite
night radish
Lolol
astral dagger
jk
night radish
Youre a dick lmao
astral dagger
lmao
charred spoke
quick question do yall think I should do 4 scenarios for 15 minutes or 5 for 12 and finally 6 for 10
night radish
Quick answer, up to you
astral dagger
@astral dagger what specs? guessing a 9700k and 2070 or 2080?
charred spoke
@night radish ok thanks
astral dagger
2080 super 3700x
is click timing important for siege
damn
ryzen 7 boiiiii
ryzen is better than intel right now
night radish
@astral dagger i want you t think about that question long and hard
astral dagger
for core yes but gaming no
in every way except for minor gaming difference
ye
so no?
but still if you want best for best
in gaming
but you will be playing 1/4 extra price just for meaningless gaming performance change
night radish
@charred spoke personally i prefer more scenarios and less runs aka the 6/10 version
astral dagger
can someone answer that question
ye but the 9700k still slaps over most ryzen
ryzen are good for price and many task as you get more cores to price
@astral dagger i have never missed a headshot in this game
night radish
Yes its its probably most important to practice click timing @astral dagger
astral dagger
so your point is invalid
charred spoke
@night radish yeah thats what I was gonna end up doing probaly to help with fatigue
night radish
Yep. Some people can aim train for 2 straight hours, i cannot
charred spoke
neither can I
astral dagger
its ez
you just move
mouse for 2 h
no ammount of aim training will make you good at siege the only way to be good is to have no friends
night radish
Or only have friends in game*
Lol
And dont get a girlfriend
They take all your time and money unless tbey play with you like contuur lmao
astral dagger
gf be like
"you can play when im here i dont care "
then you do it once and you are dead i swear
night radish
Yeahhh its rough
astral dagger
wish i was gay
night radish
“Yeah its cool you can play for 2 hours” next day “youre not paying enough attention to me”
astral dagger
ye
night radish
Your boyfriend w do the same hurls lol
astral dagger
nah @static sentinel plays with me
night radish
😂😂
static sentinel
<3
static sentinel
Open beta
night radish
Might give it a go
astral dagger
“Yeah its cool you can play for 2 hours” next day “youre not paying enough attention to me”
@night radish and then you go "ok what do you want to do"
"i dont know"
static sentinel
Bro this is way you live the chad Virgin/gay life
Either you dont have a gf to bother you
Or your homie is also your BF and you game together like chads
astral dagger
ye
night radish
Lmsoooo
static sentinel
^
astral dagger
about another person
ok
you
discrimating ppl now
?
btw nice
weebanese
?
i hate all nationalities and sexualities equally
😇
did noted lied about his sensitivity
how does someone even play on 8.5cm
charred spoke
so I am using the kixstar multiplier so and that makes it more complicated to get my sens in kovaaks does anyone know how to convert with kixstar multiplier
vivid jolt
Nah he didn't.
He really used to play on that nonsense.
Also so I never have to say it again and because I was curious to double check myself, here's my explanation on why the G8 absolutely sucks. You don't have to read it.
Screw subjectivity, numbers are always consistent and consistency is what wins games. Consistency is the only thing that ever matters.
The G8 has:
- 2nd best TTK of all offense auto primaries in the whole game against 1 armors.
- 1st worst TTK of all offense auto primaries in the whole game against 2 armors.
- 7th worst (out of 27~) TTK of all offense auto primaries in the game against 3 armors.
It is horrendously inconsistent in chest TTK. But before you say "BUT MAH HIGH RPM"-- Faster firerate does not make you magically aim for the head better. Rpm doesn't work like that. The reason you didn't hit the head isn't because your gun didn't shoot fast enough, it's because you physically missed. It's not your gun, you just suck. But let's imagine that RPM somehow magically correlates to HS% directly. These are NA's HS ratios with some of the world's best aimers:
At best these players have a HS ratio of 55%. The G8 has an RPM of 850. IQ's slowest gun, the 552, has an RPM of 690. That's an 18.8% RPM increase. If we imagine that the RPM increase perfectly multiplied itself to our best aimer's HS%, you'd get their HS% going from 55%(*1.18) -> ~65%. That's a 10% increase. 10%. So in our wild theory, the RPM increase only makes a difference in 1 out of 10 engagements. In 9/10 of all other engagements it either makes no difference headshotting or we're stuck with awful chest TTK. That is NOT worth even in our fantasy scenario.
"But it has 20 extra rounds!" Shut up. Be honest. You did not lose that engagement with a regular AR because you actually needed 20 extra bullets. You missed 30 shots. Is having 20 extra bullets nice? Sure, if you're being swarmed by 3 people- but you shouldn't ever be in that position anyways. Does it truly make a game-changing difference in any normal 1v1/1v2 gunfight? No. People die in 3-4 shots. Just reload. Also it's still an LMG, meaning it still has a longer ADS time than any other AR with an angled grip. Low recoil isn't hard to find on other guns either so that's hardly unique benefit.
Though there is one thing the G8 is best at: Flank watching. 1 armors are most likely to be roaming, so you can shred them. They're most likely to be farther away too, so a higher RPM and low recoil is best for those engagements. It's an insane flank watch weapon but a horribly inconsistent aggressive weapon. It is NOT the unstoppable god-gun that idiots are complaining it is.
/end essay
You don't have to read it.
I more did this for my own curiosity to check my numbers.
vivid jolt
Man Vitality isn't looking near as good as I hoped they would. 
I hope they get their stuff together.
vivid jolt
I want to see Fabian rivalry. 
granite ivy
so I am using the kixstar multiplier so and that makes it more complicated to get my sens in kovaaks does anyone know how to convert with kixstar multiplier
@charred spoke
Multiplier1Sens1=Multiplier2Sens2
Oh shit
charred spoke
yeah I got
granite ivy
Well, it means multiply
granite ivy
Ah gotcha
vivid jolt
The calc pinned in chat shows you the default sens values at the top.
mental snow
The magazine + fire rate + angle grip/no recoil basically mean that if your opponent has ANY sort of intel on you you’re dead because they can without risk prefire for a lot longer and more aggressively than literally any other gun in the game
And the fact that after winning an aggressive gunfight you are not at an immediate disadvantage if the opponent tries to trade - you will still have basically an entire AR mag worth of ammo, plus the angle grip + high fire rate + low recoil allows you to consistently take those aggressive gunfights
It’s just not a thing on attack with literally any other kit - you either choose high mag capacity at the cost of being forced to sit back and play a more passive role or better gun at the trade of less ammo or more recoil (EG hibana, buck, twitch)
Lmg with an angled grip on a 3 speed is just stupid, regardless of stats
vivid jolt
you’re dead because they can without risk prefire for a lot longer
Sure. But how many gunfights do you 30-round prefire for a kill? 1/5 maybe?
after winning an aggressive gunfight
But as explained it's not good for taking aggressive gunfights outside of prefiring, which obviously isn't possible for every engagement nor reliable. Inconsistent way of gunfighting.
mental snow
It is a 0 risk all reward weapon. Its not op in a 1on1 engagement, but it is absolutely a crutch playmaking weapon because of the variables i listed earlier.
Commando is objectively better for winning a gunfight, i dont disagree there
vivid jolt
I mean, yes. You're right. This gun is great for prefiring when intel is had or when you're swarmed by multiple enemies at once, and it's the best at those. But for all of the benefits you miss out on (TTK, per bullet damage, ADS speed) for any other engagement I just do not see any reliable way of weighting that higher in terms of being more reliable.
mental snow
Generally, the ability to playmake with the G8 is way higher, thats why most pros dont bitch about other pros using it but ranked players because it basically encourages the ranked playstyle of running at your enemies with no risk - any sort of intel and you can rape your opponent with prefire and have enough ammo for 2,3 more engagements and its not a risk to take those early aggressive gunfights bc you arent exposed after winning your first 1
vivid jolt
Realistically you won't be prefiring most of your kills. Realistically you won't have absolutely no opportunity to reload between kills in most of your engagements.
astral dagger
i like both but i use the commando more they are both good in own ways
mental snow
yes, but at the top level the 30 bullet mag cap is the reason you cant just run at your opponent and prefire and mag dump, thats possible with the g8 and it happens at diamond/champ/PL level way more than you think, especially on a 3speed/angle grip/no recoil, i mean, its the stregnth of the gun and theres no reason not to
you can shoot 20 bullets and have 30 for a 2nd and third engagement whereas if you shot 20 with the commando youd have to hit a good shot to kill their teammate attempting to trade you
it essentially takes away the risk
vivid jolt
I mean, ehh. So the strength of the weapon is just that you can bum-rush site and not have to reload while letting the choppa sing. I mean cool, but if you're consistently getting fucking by some twitter kid with R6 in his name sprinting into site then you simply just suck. You shouldn't be letting someone rush in your map and killing so many of your teammates in the time it takes him to fire off 50 rounds. He should be stopped. That's a very punishable "strat" and numerically his gun doesn't do that much damage so if you challenge him so long as you're not on a 3-speed op, then you're not facing a very good gun assuming he doesn't have intel and doesn't headshot you (which ofc is a toss-up).
You should win those dumb engagements.
I see why it's super annoying, not why it's super good.
night radish
I feel like youre not reading well toast
vivid jolt
Am I dumb?
night radish
Vladr spells it out really well
vivid jolt
Hol up
mental snow
It's average in a fair 1v1, but in siege those don't really exist, there will always be someone with the advantage because of position, utility, etc. but the G8 has too many comfort crutches associated with it that you will have the advantage in more ways than 1 99% of the time compared to your opponent on defence
Its a great 1vx weapon
night radish
Ttk difference is probably less than 100-200 ms no?
mental snow
A decent aimer will be able to playmake with the g8 far easier than the commando, even if the commando you are more likely to win a single gunfight
vivid jolt
Key points: 1. No risk, all reward
Disagree. Essentially needing to hit the head for your gun to be more effective than others is a massive detriment (on non 3-speeds). That's the worst risk you could have.
2. No recoil, angled grip, 50 rounds
No recoil isn't hard to find. Even with Angled it's still slower than all other ARs with angled. 50 rounds is a good point as discussed.
It really just comes down to how crazy your plays can be due to having a higher bullet count then.
That I can fully understand and support.
night radish
It gives you more flexibility as an attacker
But yeah vladr spells it out really well and both arguments are valid
It all depends what youre trying to do in your role
mental snow
Most people dont run angled on other ars, maybe zofia
vivid jolt
I can see that. The playmaking argument is a very fair scenario.
Though to that I'll say this: You should never be in a position (competitively) where you need to constantly playmake. Because unless you need to playmake and send off 50 rounds as fast as possible, then a more reliable TTK is more useful, no?
mental snow
g8 youd be stupid not to
night radish
Why wouldnt you use angled on everything though
raw fox
preference
night radish
Non of the recoils are that bad that you need vertical
vivid jolt
I mean some guns have some annoying horizontal recoil that I'll forego an angled with.
night radish
But vertical grip helps w horizontal how
mental snow
G8 recoil is so linear that even with an angled you can take gunfights at super long rage, other guns dont have the same comfort
Other ARs dont have that luxury
vivid jolt
The G8 basically only has one grip and it's angled.
mental snow
Yep
vivid jolt
No point not using it.
mental snow
which is why most pros ask for it to be taken away on iq
night radish
Ah okay
mental snow
all these points brought up are why the G8 is so good, its great at everything except dps which isnt the most important thing in siege
raw fox
there's no other primary that i can pick up and counter-spawnpeek with easier than a g8
vivid jolt
I mean, call me crazy but I still just disagree:
I can see that. The playmaking argument is a very fair scenario.
Though to that I'll say this: You should never be in a position (competitively) where you need to constantly playmake. Because unless you need to playmake and send off 50 rounds as fast as possible, then a more reliable TTK is more useful, no?
It has uses, but I don't see how the ability to go crazy and win a nuts situation has more weight than having a reliable weapon.
Like I might be stupid but it just doesn't add up to me.
mental snow
its a great entry weapon bc as entry you basically are expected to go 1for1 every single time, u run in, take a hard ass gunfight against someone in a tactically better position, then you die to their teammate trading you, the g8 makes it so you arent hard limited to being immediately traded
raw fox
what is genuinely worth taking over a g8
astral dagger
Ak 12 I would take over it
night radish
He meant on iq i think lol
vivid jolt
then you die to their teammate trading you, the g8 makes it so you arent hard limited to being immediately traded
Right. More ammo = more time to kill, but Idk if I'm doing things differently but I do not spent 25 bullets killing one dude normally. It takes me >10. I still have 15-20 bullets left in a 30 round mag after I entry on somebody, which is more than enough to kill their trade- especially considering my gun does more damage if I'm not using the G8.
(excluding the previously talked about pre-firing situation)
The only reasons I'm seeing as to why it's good is a whole lot of weird situational examples that you simply just should not be in.
You should not be playmaking by being swarmed by 3+ people. You should not be sprinting in to bombsite blind killing 4 people without reloading. You should not spent 30 rounds on 1 kill while entrying.
Like yeah it happens but does it happen MORE OFTEN than not?
I don't know. That's just my view on it. I may be weird but I don't think those situations where it's optimal happen more often than not, and whatever happens most should be used to stay most consistent. Just my perspective.
mental snow
It's siege, no round ever goes perfect, especially the higher up you go the more hell in a cell it gets. In an ideal world, none of that stuff matters, but especially in ranked the G8 is a stupid gun that offers way too many crutches
it allows okay-decent players to make great plays
mental snow
in comp i use the commando but in ranked i use the g8 ¯_(ツ)_/¯
vivid jolt
That makes sense. I should've specified a long time ago that I was talking strictly in competitive terms where things are much more structured.
astral dagger
sly temple
reported for cheater name!~
astral dagger
Just let toast use the commando
And cry when he gets reamed by the g8 wielding Chads
vivid jolt
I'll cry over the brainless Lesions over the brainless G8 clip farmers.
inland lark
😦
worn wagon
@vivid jolt bullets aren't only needed for killing people btw
50 bullets is a huge advantage
vivid jolt
Yeah but be real you're not picking a gun based on its soft destruction man.
worn wagon
Making noise? Opening barricades? Cover fire? Prefiring? Ability to do all that than have engagements? Ability to push reloading people?
And also
you assume gunfights are fair
they are not
nearly never
and than having more bullets is good
vivid jolt
We already discussed prefiring.
But we're not choosing weapons to make noise and shoot barricades easier. Might be the weakest reasons I've heard yet.
worn wagon
You assume fights are fair so they are important.
3 speeds aren't too common, so 40/30 split between 2 and 1 speeds so ttk is ok. With fights not being too fair ability to do all that, have 0 recoil and 50 bullets>commando
static sentinel
SUPPRESSIVE FIYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHRRRRRRRRRRRRE
worn wagon
it's hands down the best gun until you are looking for marginal gains
than maaaaaaybe 552 could be a bit better at serious competition level
static sentinel
@worn wagon
worn wagon
I'd be very interested in how many "fair" fights happen in PL-T3 per round
vivid jolt
Though you're right. I'm assuming the gunfights are fair.
worn wagon
I expect below 2 per round
if u only count those which get kills
comp's about most unfair fights you can create
static sentinel
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
vivid jolt
Yeah, not about multi-kill playmaking.
Choosing one of the least powerful weapons is putting yourself in the unfair gunfight.
vivid jolt
Niiice.
worn wagon
if 60% of the fights are unfair and you have 2nd best ttk in 40% cases only it only matters in 36% cases
vivid jolt
Where'd you get those numbers?
vivid jolt
I just misunderstand the statement. What only matters in 36% of cases?
worn wagon
that's close to 1/3 and 1 speed are much more popular and bigger in amont
G8 being worse
granite ivy
Guess whos getting better at tracking
@static sentinel proud of you cyn
static sentinel
granite ivy
Tracking is the superior aim component
granite ivy
(Disclaimer: I only say this because I’m actually fucking garbage at clicking)
granite ivy
god I want to get a hien and a zero so bad
but we had to have a fucking global economic crisis due to this stupid pandemic
astral dagger
^
granite ivy
and I kinda don't want to spend anything on peripherals until I get a lower desk
for those 90deg arms
astral dagger
i wanted to get a hien cause my glorious is worn
raw fox
Papi blame the leadership for politicizing the pandemic
granite ivy
nah, we were in deep shit anyway here in argentina so I don't even know if it was intentional or not at this point lmao
but yeah, in the states things really worked out poorly due to that
astral dagger
anyone wanna play csgo eu?
not touched it in ages
guess i have no friends :/
thanks anyway
carmine pier
am also NA
astral dagger
can we que?
oh ye we can
i can up the ping to like 120ish
or whatever you get on eu
astral dagger
ye i'll up the ping then
carmine pier
send prof
astral dagger
ah ok lmk when
@carmine pier ready?
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worn wagon
Check out pins
lime wyvern
Pins have some scenarios
noble belfry
Could also check out Cowser low TTK playlist I'd say theres a fair few scenarios that are good for siege in there too
worn wagon
also toast made pattargetswitch version with r4c recoil and crouch spam
if you are into y2 stuff
static sentinel
@granite ivy I bought one but its been 2 weeks and its not even in customs yet
;-;
velvet fern
46cm in Minecraft is the way.
coarse valeBOT
GG @velvet fern, you just advanced to level 9 !
lime wyvern
astral dagger
vivid jolt
New patch notes: https://www.ubisoft.com/en-gb/game/rainbow-six/siege/news-updates/211yXFjWZrOuHcEjN1uL4X/y5s22-patch-notes
The problem with Interro's idea is that while it opens a massive amount of flexibility for lesser chosen ops, it effectively destroys other operators.
Like imagine my main, Pulse. His gun sucks and his gadget is situational to use since you have to be close. His big claim is his Nitro Cell. Now imagine Echo with two invisible drones that can stop plant from anywhere on the map and he's also below with a Nitro cell + a better practical gun. Why the hell would I ever choose Pulse over Echo? You're high. Pulse is dead.
There's no reason to choose operators who have exclusive synergy with their secondary gadgets and situational primary gadgets.
What this'll do is just mix up the whole meta to where basically only the primary gadgets are the only things considered and then it'll solidify. Since there's no point running anything worse, many ops would be worthless. It'd get stale fast I believe.
Though conceptually, I love the idea.
granite ivy
@granite ivy I bought one but its been 2 weeks and its not even in customs yet
@static sentinel why u gotta flex on me like that
static sentinel
Bruh but waiting more than 2 weeks for a mousepad is pretty lame
vivid jolt
Theme Park genuinely makes me want to commit not breathe.
Would be nice if they just flipped a coin to see who wins the map instead of making me sit through 9 rounds of defense wins .
worn wagon
do you soloq?
vivid jolt
Yes and I want to commit Sudoku.
vivid jolt
I just played 18 rounds of Meme Park and defense didn't lose a single round.
astral dagger
:))
i hate meme park
these are the types of people in beaulos chat btw 21cm 1x and cant aim
vivid jolt
Gotta get them views. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
velvet fern
Champion or not, that title is simple cringy.
raw fox
Cant be worse than HOW A SPARKY PLATINUM PLAYS RANKED
astral dagger
Should I play t hunt using semi auto?
Someone told me it'll help me more if I play t hunt only using single fire
static sentinel
How a Sparky Contributor plays ranked
vivid jolt
I think it's a good idea to make a couple runs semi-auto only.
I don't think it's a good idea to make them all.
worn wagon
IMO aimtrainers are for mouse control
thunt is for movement, xhair positioning, recoil control
so not too much point in single fire
however if you struggle with hitting stuff while leaning of are a gold creating champion content you can do single fire while doing various combinations of crouching and leaning
vivid jolt
vivid jolt
Well it's not an operator.
normal bloom
siege audio is one of the biggest jimmy rustlers
mental snow
that gamemode looks ridiculously fun
noble belfry
new pc 
night radish
Thats bananas
noble belfry
Looks fun
inland lark
back to 90 fov woo
night radish
3:2 84 fov is goated. Literally exactly the same at 16:10 80. Thanks for the suggestion whoever made it
Also, aimbeast is fucking awesome
vivid jolt
Imagine if the gamemode had respawns 
vivid jolt
Did BDS just get 7-1'd by Empire?
Shaiiko is that team.
They're nothing without him.
stuck panther
could someone help me convert siege settings to kovaaks?
I play on 4:3 90fov and was wondering what i should put my settings to in kovaaks
i already converted sens
stuck panther
i looked at pins and it's not all that clear
do i run a 4:3 resolution on top of the conversion or is that for 1920 x 1080?
night radish
Change your resolution to 1280 x 1080 or whatever it is
night radish
Fov pick vertical 1:1 and put 74
stuck panther
ok so 1280 x 960 aspect + 74 fov and the fov scale is vertical 1:1?
night radish
Thats correct
stuck panther
ok thank you
night radish
Youre more competent than most who ask
long python
If i have a different fov and aspect ratio in kovaaks will it mess me up
ok so i put a different resolution and it messed up my mouse
velvet fern
Just picked up a new G-Pro Wireless, and a brand new Artisan Hien XL Soft "Wine Red".
long python
god damn nice
could anyone help me with this? It messed with my mouse pointer, and it basically hovers above where my pointer actually is
velvet fern
Restart the drivers. If not just unplug and replug.
night radish
Did you change your monitor res???
long python
nah, just the kovaaks
night radish
Weird
worn wagon
@vivid jolt saying BDS is nothing without shaiiko is your typical opinion: wrong
they have clutchmaster that has the most plants in the league as well
vivid jolt
All I'm saying is that they don't win when Shaiiko doesn't perform well.
Can't say that about too many specific players.
He's their Xfactor.
mental snow
This season for them its actually been BriD, shaiiko has played piss poor just about this entire season (especially compared to the ridiculous standards he set for himself)
BriD pretty much singlehandedly won them 3 games
vivid jolt
Just looked at their season stats and was about to say that. The only games they win is when their fraggers are going off.
If BriD or Shaiiko aren't popping off they haven't won the matches.
Seems on paper that they probably rely on their fragging ability a bit too heavily.
Then again having 3 French gunners on your team is probably why that's worked out pretty well thus far.
BDS is interesting.
vivid jolt
Oh my God Merc just shredded TSM.
vivid jolt
Oh I didn't know that. Well, hey man everyone has a gun for a reason. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Yeah DZ is slipping.
I may be wrong but I get the impression that TSM's mental game is insanely strong.
mental snow
Yea i'm inclined to believe the same, all of them are cold as ice under pressure, except merc is more of an emotional player so when hes playing well hes playing great but when hes playing poor he gets in his own head
Chala is a top3 smoke in the region
vivid jolt
These test server changes are stupid except the Gridlock one.
I don't know why Ubi Spain just refuses to balance the actual issues directly instead of indirectly.
vivid jolt
So many flawless rounds from TSM, yeesh.
mental snow
yikes, imagine hitting tab after the first split of a map and seeing 0 0 1 kill lmfao, dz are getting slapped
astral dagger
anyone in eu plat 3 and up looking for a team to play comp and ranked dm me we need more players atm
vivid jolt
Oh, sorry. I posted 'em yesterday.
mental snow
Echo is such a stupid ass fucking operator. Competitive siege was so much more enjoyable to watch and play when he wasn't allowed, especially with it essentially freeing up a ban
normal bloom
youse think nip is the most mechanically skilled pl team?
static sentinel
@astral dagger Next season
I am down
But I already got my plat charm rn
So I dont really need to 5 squad grind
worn wagon
I am full with hatred. Played faceit flex queue, met a cheater, spent 1 hour to cancell match. Other team calls us names, spams GN tell us we won't win before they realisy, a competitive tier 6 wanna be who is LFT for a year and thinks top 17 faceit is an achiement is playing with the guy. After the guy rages they all change sides.
I am not usually so angry
charred spoke
how do you even find games on faceit
charred spoke
NA is dead
worn wagon
played 6 matches
charred spoke
NA barely gets 5 people in Q
coarse valeBOT
GG @charred spoke, you just advanced to level 2 !
charred spoke
I was excited for faceit then it died on NA
worn wagon
we also had btr10s
they also died
tbh faceit is meh
but we would've gotten more cheaters in ranjed
charred spoke
yeah as soon as that opened for Na it was dead BTR
charred spoke
yeah there are no good alternatives to ranked for siege
yeah but it was dead and anyone who had a lot of wins on NA played Eu secretly
worn wagon
Idk, it's not even about the cheater, it's about ppl going from "you will not win, 0 percent chance, gn gn gn gn gn gn" to "I am as surprised as you are" "I only played one game with him" etc
charred spoke
lol is that not just EU toxicity
worn wagon
And the worst fact is, the guy is proud of being diamond and top 17 in faceit. RN top 10 aren't even tier 4 players (might be different nicknames, but I doubt it)
That just filled me w/ pure hatred
cheater everywhere
is hyper scape or whatever a good game?
worn wagon
I'll try it I guess
cba with siege
just cba
is there any way to get better at visually identifying targets?
granite ivy
Not really, visibility is just shit in siege
worn wagon
I mean in general
granite ivy
Hmmmmm
worn wagon
I wanna start the journey
granite ivy
Maybe some peripheral vision training , there were some posts about that on r/fpsaimtrainer
astral dagger
that help
worn wagon
IK about knowing
I am talking about stuff like shroud does, peeking a huge open space and locating ppl. OFC there are genetics, but what can I do if anything'
astral dagger
not
tunnelvisioning on your
sight
but acknowledging the entire screen
it is
hard
worn wagon
don't do him like that
he's not just a joke
he's a whole clown
inb4 I get raided by his fanboys
worn wagon
https://youtu.be/IDRFWA24Ayg can noted do this?
