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yessir
and if you
schedule the scrim
in the morning
evne better
they wont know what will hit them
clear your mind for the flow state to kick in
or you know be rallex and be goated at literally everything
well
how to prevent
bad post nut tho
like the feeling of just having murdered someone
you sometiems get
watch wholesome shit
none of the hardcore
sometimes
pp up or gtfo
Use soap as lube
its a commitment to fl, you gotta warm it up, add sauce, do the thing, clean it, dry it, add baby powder to prevent it from going sticky
Baby johnson powder
commited to improvement
Mmmm
Can hbm really help
my broke ass stopped using water based cuz i cant buy it
soap is good
OHhahah
someones gotta do it
the hero we needed
Oh no, toast broke
Ah yes, some juicy siege content
@static sentinel yeah i love that clip
spewing right wing populist bullshit about coastal elites
I am hard right but sometimes I get some leftist surges in my body that makes me want to cause a revolution or something
lmao
right wingers dont do revolutions doe
they do coup de etat's
in over 50 latin american countries throughout the 1900's
oh so nazbol
there's a place for politics but this is not the place
this is the siege channel were we talk about pro players, the state of the game, and fl
@raw fox ? I thought this was the official philosophy debate channel
FL OR GTFO
@astral dagger he doesnt know
@astral dagger he doesnt know
@raw fox he thinks he knows a thing or two about politics, but he knows nothing about life
stock for the most part, melee is left alt, walk is v
I have the primary gadget on mouse 5 and secondary gadget on mouse 4. Itās nice
Melee on m3
grenades on g
Nah, gotta do them quickpeek throws
also bound to side buttons forgot to mention it
no
wait
Doki the absolute GOAT uses it so it must be good
whats mouse4
mouse5 is the most backward right
Ye
gotchu
I still canāt believe some degenerates set lean to mouse side buttons

Thatās a weird ass pepega
Use arrows keys are your walking keys to show dominance
If you can, use a trackpad instead of a mouse
And if you win, brag about it
Has anyone tried the new game mode?
15 more levels till I can finally play ranked
lets goo
Itās been so long since legitimately playing that I donāt even remember map callouts

hes over there
HES 1 SHOT 1 SHOT
I estimate the hp of people too
Sees him one full bar and a 1/3 of another: āheās 30ā

i dont get why people say that in a 1 headshot kill game
Ok so the thing is that Iām preplacing right on head, not neck level
i aim at the feet so that the recoil goes to their head
GENIUS
Should I be aiming upper chest level or head
Because I see some streamers aim for upper chest rather than the head itself
Debatable
I aim at head level, but in the end positioning of both you and your enemy (due to perspective) and who peeks who and at what speed will determine the outcome of the fight much more often than the heigh you pre aim at
IMO at least
@dusk tinsel always aim chest level unless you have solid info on the position of enemy
Why would you do that? Aiming at chest level means that if you get peeked and manage to only shoot a 1-2 shots youāll always lose. At least aiming at head level means you can still win if for some reason your enemy doesnāt instantly dome you
i guess its because if the enemy's crouched you can flick to down to crouch level faster
@granite ivy you don't know if someone is crouch standing or prone
You kind of hit all three or can see all three if you aim chest level
Any good player will only go for headshots when it's the easy or only option available in a gunfight
Otherwise the 3 bullets to kill is easy enough and the head is only a tiny bit away from your crosshair at crouch or standing height
Also the head is very hard to track since player animation in this game makes it move very fast (lean and crouch spam)
The chest is predictable and easy to hit
I don't think any good pro other than a minority of them track the head exclusively
Most track centre mass, eg pengu
If you are close quarters and the head is a bigger target you can flick to it which a lot of players do, but first you have to be able to see them, so aiming at chest height helps
You don't have to keep this in your mind while playing, the more you play and the better you get you will start aiming more chest height
i love watching recoil hs knee height aim
I keep rubberbanding when i crouch walk through rotation
Does anyone else have this issue too?
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actually worthwhile watching
@static sentinel What is actually wrong with you.
Yo ... I heard yall got the secret sauce in here......
Can I get a peep into the content??
Huh

Rumors of assassinations going on
Watch who you're talking to you freaking piece of lewd toast
njr interestingly plays a different sens and res for 1x and acog
actually dw he did a month or so ago
he doesnt change his res
he only changes his ads
holo he plays 35
acog is 45
12 hip
He used to. He stopped changing the Res.
I think it's ridiculously excessive and unnecessary.
ads sens per scope soon so he wont need to š
@vivid jolt i think its dumb as well but at the same time he likes that sens on acog and rn he can't chance it to be what he wants until new scope sens patch
If we get new scope sensitivity next season, new scope magnifications and reworks, map bans, and replay system, Tachanka rework plus Skyscraper back in ranked all next season, this will be my favorite season of Siege ever on paper.
No question.
Please.
Just give me all of it.
I won't ask for any other changes for the next year except balancing if they give me all this.
Which map is getting reworked?
is it skyscrapper
chalet babe @velvet fern
Skyscraper this season, Chalet next season.
bow and arrows
(So, 80FOV 1:1 in Kovaaks since I play 3:2)
Though you're better just playing 5:4 @84 since you gain 4 degrees of vertical FOV with the exact same horizontal FOV.
What is the play on Hibana? Angled or Vert?

I recently switched to vert on hibana only and really like it
pretty much use angeld on everyone else though
i like vert on hibana but i just used angled on pretty much all my ops just cos my play style suits it more i guess and i just prefer a faster ads if i can control recoil without a problem then the vert is useless when angled can be useful as i get faster ads for when i get in a situation when I'm surprised
Brooo the community wants custom skins so bad they're makin' their own like it's nothing.
imagine a paint shop like remember on bo3 you could make skins and upload them for weapons and people can download them and use them in game imagine that
make it like
a racing car game
Catch is: in order to custom paint your gun you need to get achievements like ā5 Pistol One Tapsā, or ā10 Tachanka Turret Killsā.
I'm pretty confident Tachanka is going to be busted as hell next update.
Tachanka the lord
if what they teased stands yeah he will be busted
why doesnt siege have fun modes (apart from events and stuff)
they could have something like a mode with infinite gadgets and bullets, idk
and you could turn night maps on
make all attachments available for all guns
but realism, right?
FFA respawn FFA respawn FFA respawn FFA respawn FFA respawn FFA respawn FFA respawn FFA respawn FFA respawn FFA respawn
A realism mode with the darkness enhanced would be sick. Imagine if they added hitboxes to all the lighting fixtures on House so that when you shot it, it disabled (since Thatchers already can do that, it exists).
Would be a pretty sick gamemode, not gonna lie.
Pulse and Cav would be terrors of the night.
why doesnt siege have fun modes (apart from events and stuff)
@long python ranked ?

i hate air no ufo no skybots
i watch youtube clips and the bot never goes like fully above the head for me it goes right above my head and does a fucking 180 and then 180 back
how tf do i track that shit
i run out of pad on 33cm with 49cm x 42cm pad
You just gotta get lucky tbh
i need 17more score on it for plat
i just need this 1 tracking
then im done
and it's annoying af
tried million times
on all sens like from 50 to 30
i can't beat 806.8
GG @astral dagger, you just advanced to level 24 !
the fast one literally runs circles around me i have to reset my mouse
They should change Alibi's Prisma so that whatever skin you have on (Gun, Headgear, Skin, Etc.) would apply to the Prisma.
@astral dagger what's your sensitivity? reactivity is key, so focus on on scens like air invincible 8 too
I'm almost at master, but I kinda love that scen so the grind is fun for me
oh im dumb
on siege i use 46cm but it's to slow for that scen so i was playing 33cm
just read it's 33cm
ye
Honestly I feel like the better you get at Air nuns, the easier it gets because the bots die before they have the chance to be dicks
I use the same sens actually
they still skybot though 
yeah, it's annoying but it's not very common
ye i can't play that high on siege highest i have ever gone on siege is 40cm but like on that scen i need 33cm
To be fair mana got 880 was it on 50cm, so it is dooable on lower sens, but yeah that is mana
air small and air 150 are good, but I don't think you'll have a good time on those right now
its like impossible for me the bot goes above my head like fully above my head and does 3 180s i run out of pad and re centre
@astral dagger do smoothness training and air nuns small
And youll magically get it
However idk why you want air nuns its not the easiest one
Nah if its tracking its always about smoothness
ummmm
well the first few bots are smoothness really
but you can definitley get a good air nuns score with parkinsons aim
air, gp and pti are more about reactivity
@astral dagger what tracking scens are you grinding for plat?
air and what?
i only need 1 more
The long fast strafes are all smoothness
which one did you get?
yeah, but the target is so big that smoothness doesn't really matter
when the target is small (pgti, bot 7 tgv2) then smoothness actually plays a huge role
The only ones that arenāt smooth are 3, 4, 7, 8
And even then 3 and 4 are still easy to be smooth
maybe try pti contuur
Plus the scens in smoothness training gave me a lot more mouse control
But yeah pgti is probably easier than air
after doing a lot of xy reactivity (the sparky comp 55 scen) my scores skyrocketed on that
nah f that
That scen was awesome
Pgti smaller is hell
barely plat on that
Im almost master lol
i hate it lol
My best tracking scen
damn
Makes no sense whatsoever lol
best for me is tgv2 (891), then pti (6930) and then air (862)
I suck ass at pasu track and tgv2
pgti is so hard
And gp
Fuck that scen lol
already got some good scores on the test version
i was doing pti got 5k can't get past it
Whats test version called
And do small versions and come back to em
it was "ground plaza sparky" but they took it down to change a few things
xy reactivity is gonna make you absolutely cracked on ptiv2
and then you'll skip plat altogether and go straight for diamond
@night radish oh wait I just read #unknown and apparently there's "ground plaza sparky v3" now
i run out of pad on 33cm with 49cm x 42cm pad
@astral dagger not a sens issue tho
well i can play 20cm and i wont
yeah, the thing is that if you're able to track more accurately you won't run out of pad even on lower sens
because you'll waste less pad space
rallex got it ascended on 31.5
i just run out of pad cos the bot goes left or right for way to long
ye
reset
the best runs on it the bots dont even go on for that long they switch alot so its alot of luck tbh
efficency
takes a bit
to learn
The top runs theyre also hitting like 80% acc on the bots
ye
So they dont have enough lifetime to get fucked
yeah, rallex got something like 95% bot 1
dude's cracked fr
best I ever got was like 85 and I was super lucky
ye
90+
on 1st
you see that often with some of the top runs
dude's cracked fr
@granite ivy masaato vods
are even more cracked
for air
what fov is good for it
i used everything
103
ow
or your siege
setting
whatever
64fov 1:1
90 source
no ty
also good
those are like the defaults
if you wanna prac siege just take
the vertical 1:1 conversion ye
im not practicing siege
hm
p sure 103 ow or like 90 source are most common
those are also the fov locks
you should play benchmarks on @astral dagger
ye
ok wtf, just did gpsv3 and wasn't ready for the ufos lmao
that shit caught me off guard
You may actually already be hit by the fov lock if there is one on nuns
ye
pretty sure 64 1:1 is like 96 hfov
was wondering too
but well fuhsz
you only need screenshots
till gm
so its irrelevant
I'm pretty sure its built into the scenario
wait did they do
specific scenarios
for the benches
and put in the fov lock
?
it just zooms out, but I don't know if that applies to air nuns or not
Yeah
Like pasu track V2, is v2 so it has the fov lock
but some scenarios they could still change without having to make a new one
Not sure tempted to see
y'all should try it
havent used kovaaks
in
half a year
lmao
motivation for training just isnt there at all
you already have a blue role, why would you lol?
yeah, for me it has mostly become a thing on its own rather than training
ik
but, we're all after the roles ain't we?
I just wanna get that sweet yellow GM role
playing for the clout
I give 2 shits about actual skill
lmlao
jk
actually, the most fire role has to be the exclusive one
that red name is actually š„
Skill and Blitz are my personal favourites
don't mind the mint moderator either maybe I should just be going for that 
I wonder how long before hes ex-eclipse I hope not soon
Yeah
rallex can stay on top for as long as he wants i reckon
12 t3 scores
the dude just keeps grinding
that's cool
The master color is fuckin sick too
nah
Laxing is the hottest siege player in the scene
And like itās not even close
haerls on the wow grind?
ye
classic or retail
Fair enough
maybe this is just rly in sync
and luck cuz he repositioned crosshair same moment i vaulted
but its kinda to in sync
xd
especially cuz his crosshair rest on me before i vault and as soon as i start moving he traces me
GG @steel pumice, you just advanced to level 1 !
haerls on the wow grind?
@noble belfry gonna be #1 warlock eu
Horde or alliance? To be honest I love warlock
I heard they are in a good place too
are you legit
asking
horde or
alliacne
?
just horde
only faction there is
I heard they are in a good place too
@noble belfry ye lock is decent on almost every patch
alliance get nice racials
@noble belfry bet that if we meet in pvp im eating that corpse
You can't get a better fit then an undead warlock or spriest
True
part of the reason I never ran troll was the back arch but that new troll race be looking good
troll is also nice
talkin bout alliance and horde
there was this one time my mate and his guild murdered the whole alliance faction on the shard
played 3 games
all back to back cheater
š¦
Poor alliance almost always get bullied by the horde
It was when a new expansion launched, their whole guild was over leveled as fuck and they just raided the capital lmao @noble belfry
Jeeze see I don't mind playing alliance but if I do I pussy it and pick a server that is alliance dominant
Nah you don't get to do anything
Does anyone know how to boost your sound? im literally at a 100 on all of my devices and i cant hear shit
You might be deaf
what headphones do you have?
good headphones, and just peripherals overall are the best investment tbh
love my fidelio x2s
just one more for master 
wait what scenes have you got master?
need that praise so i get motivated to finally get 25 instead 24 5 times on popcorn sparky
I pressume you miss a click due to the statement earlier
tgv2, ptiv2, pat ts, vox
GG @granite ivy, you just advanced to level 14 !
oh and ptsd 360 v2
and im super close on dev and air
just fuck clicking tho
5 240s in popcorn sparky today
So close
gimme
dang
ye
that was the joke
fuhz
had to lock on to my alt
cuz my actual score is 50
Nice shots
I am bad player so I am a coach
lmao
FUCK POPCORN ALL MY HOMIES HATE POPCORN
boys
i just tried 45cm
its so good
bc im so bad
also, ive been very inactive in here
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this magenta name do be looking kinda clean ngl
ty
Ye, just gotta get my clicking to actual master level now for that master 2
Iām fucking hyped
gl sir
scoring on or off ?
tried rye bread. shits disgusting
ur trolling
GG @proven wolf, you just advanced to level 1 !
youre objectively wrong.@vivid jolt yacht is better
I swear that my K/D on Yatch was something like 2.5 - 3.
I owned Yatch.
I'd be so down for it to come back to ranked to replace Chalet.
Or Coastline.
now ur trolling
Using g533 now just for mic
For actual audio i use tin t2
he's right tho
the bad thing about open backs is that if there's any noise they go to shit
looking at you, construction workers next door
Coastline sucks
coast is my second favorite
i can actually see shit without seeing dust
other than that it can definitely use a rework for the ruins and close off the courtyard
I can't see shit on Coastline either because I'm dying to people outside of the map.
Simply dont be a noob š¤£
LMAYO DUDE YA GOT ME AHAHA LOL JUST STAND STILL JUST LOOK AT THE GROUND AND SEE THE MINE SHOOT BACK KEKW
I do hate not being able to safely enter my own bombsite without being shot from outside the map, yes.
Villa is my favorite map and it's not even close.
Club is good I just think the 2 main sites are so stale.
CC sure
i'm always seeing new shit on church
attacking church is never the same thing twice i swear
bc every op is so essential on that site like 1 guy dies and the whole course of the round changes
and theres so many ways to take it
I'll say the roam game varies really heavily on Church. Though in my experience I never see any variation in the actual site hold. Keep in mind I don't actively play comp yet though.
Uncultured.
I got the horses in the back
so easy to counter idk
Just doesn't need to be that gap. Unnecessary.
oh yeah, from your perspective i can totally understand why youd think church is stale
but after scrimming pl/cl level and watching a lot of pro vods the shit that gets cooked up is unmatched
every round on that site is never the same, compared to cc which is either server breach + garage or server breach + cons breach
they need to reintroduce map buffs
like so many of these maps would be way more enjoyable with minor QoL improvemenets
I don't want them to make any new maps in this game until every map in the Ranked pool is objectively good.
I think Kanal just needs a map buff, man.
Block a couple windows and add an additional walkway to cross the map.
I think it'd play well if they gave defense a little more room to rotate around and stopped the constant spawnpeeks.
theme park is perfectly fine imo, it's a great comp map
Could even do an underground tunnel connecting from bottom garage to sub trench.
especially on armory...
kanal is just too big to be viable
i think that'd be the best idea toast
to connect the tunnel from bathroom to the other building
I must be just irrationally biased but I still hate Meme Park. I can't even watch it in PL without getting bored.
competitively i enjoy playing it, dont really like watching it and it sucks in ranked
competitively its already getting stale tbh
fuck kanal, all my homies hate kanal
its where comp players go to die and brazilian ranked sweats thrive
outback is overhated but its just whoever gets d first in ot most of the time
idk how chalet is still in the pool
i changed to 17cm cus i have a small desk now
Sucks
Maybe pengu is actually a good aimer lol
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Yes i know its not siege but pengu is siege
The movement in that game makes no fucking sense to me
Why does it not make sense?
this game looks like ass
The movement speed is crazy fast and the jumping and sliding is insane
Yeah its what makes it as fun as it is for me
basically playing Air nuns and pgti if you're using a tracking weapon
Is it as easy to pickup as apex
Mhmm I mean I guess? its not like its a competitive game its just fun
what multiplier would i need to doouble 6 6 from default
so 12 12
oh nvm im stupid
8k hours in this game btw 
i completely forgot its 1-100 not 1-10
anyone here got a nice sound pack for vaks?
gonna use Huddled's
feel like going back to my old sens on siege 10-83-400 but with 800 dpi this time so 5-83
i tried a bunch of sens in the 40-50 range and i feel like i can play well but i used to play my best back on 5-83
i had a season with 90%hs with that sens it was my best season i played in terms of personal performance
kinda been changing my sens every week tho so idk
6666
Ye im still using it
guys air no ufo should i use the movement or is it meta to just stand still?
also what is the scoring based of? like how fast i kill the targets or amount of shots hit to missed?
You shouldn't move its best to stand still
scoring is based on time left
so how fast you kill all the targets
ah
ty sir
do you use siege settings or?
cos i was playing 33cm but i play 46 on siege
gonna move to 40cm for siege so might try 40cm on vaks
I tend to just run whatever I feel like but pretty sure I got atleast plat with 44.7cm and like 80 1:1 fov
which was my siege settings at the time
You should probably try to make note of what bots you're struggling with most and try the 1minuet invincible verisons of those bots
Air angelic is also a nice warmup scenario
but I can't give too much advice more then that because air isn'
t my strongest
Think I'm around like 860 or so
ye i struggle most with the ones that change directions left and right constantly
i can track the ones with smooth movement well its just the little jittery fuckers
and then the ones that go right above my head and do 16 180 turns like i dunno if it's even possible to track that
@astral dagger since its time based i never let go of M1. I also move to the back at the very beginning so i always know where the spawn point of the next bot is. Every second counts
ye i do that too
i dont get it
i watch top scores on it and thje bot never goes right above them for me
it goes right above me
in the first 2 seconds of the spawn
i cant tracking something that goes above me and does 180 turns
Just f3 it when it happens
IM FEELINF HORNY
You can also practice it with i think vertical long strafes? Idr what its called but its in sdkās routines
can't beat it
what should i practice for tracking the movement
when it's switching back and fourth and up and down
make note what bot it is and practice on the invincible versions
i have no problem with a long strafe just when its jumping up and down and right and left
or it sounds like a reactivity issue so you could also look into playing reactivity scenes, but if your just trying to get a score in air then yeah
ok ty
@astral dagger it would also be a good idea to record a vod and post it in vod review
ye i'll do it next time i play gonna take a break been playing for few hours now
ooo
the reason they do it is to stop witchhunting i guess
also people steal other users names
or have very similar names
if someone is banned for cheating and shit let me know who so i can 1 avoid them and 2 call them out
if you cheat you deserver every little bit of hate coming your way
guys if i start the aimer7 routine should i do click timing or complete routine
@astral dagger practice whatever you suck at
idk honestly
i think im equal
shotguns do be feeling inconsistent
she was at 50 health
idk man i feel like i kill people a lot further away sometimes
Yikes
shotguns are inconsistent in every game even real life
they shoot buckshot which spreads a lot but ye you should of killed her deffo
the closer the more buck shot hit
and you're close enough that only a few would miss
you just got unlucky with the rng look
looks like only a few hit chest lvl
frame before you shot
then right after the shot reged
you just got unlucky and missed most pellets
how do i google for a sleeve
?
compression sleeve?
@astral dagger
you just got unlucky and missed most pellets
@astral dagger yep, thatās the unlucky thing with shotguns
yes
Is there any good reason behind recoil not being constant, aside from macros? (even though there are already macros which can control recoil pretty closely)
and by constant i mean not rng
The fact that shotguns don't have standardized pellet spreads is a travesty.
It should spread like Fortnite.
ye idk what the devs where smoking when they made that decision
but i'd like to smoke whatever they were having for sure
I mean it's not an uncommon design choice, but after 5 years it's only a logical change.
I doubt it's a difficult one.
Can you spawn peek with a shotgun?

I wouldnāt expect it to be accurate even if you line up a headshot.
i bet operation health was just a way for ubi not to spend extra money on hiring people to design characters and maps
Yannis Mallat probably had a field day with that extra money
Ight imma need you to tell me who your dealer is because you're definitely smoking high quality
@long python Did you by chance enjoy pre-Health window supernovas?
Op Health 2 would be nothing but welcomed to me.
i mean the idea was that you couldnt spawnpeek i guess
or the game was meant to be played exclusively inside
That's fine and dandy until you remember during that time there'd be a 600hp Bitchbeard repelled on that window with broken animations and an inconsistent hitbox.
The movement speed is crazy fast and the jumping and sliding is insane
@night radish just aim, game is crazy fun
guys air no ufo should i use the movement or is it meta to just stand still?
@astral dagger never move if it isnt movement scoring, its time scoring in this case
Most good Air players move back away from the bots as far as they can.
and then the ones that go right above my head and do 16 180 turns like i dunno if it's even possible to track that
@astral dagger play air nuns
i watch top scores on it and thje bot never goes right above them for me
@astral dagger cuz they 80+% them
gonna 1tap some kids on a real boy game
I wouldnāt expect it to be accurate even if you line up a headshot.
@velvet fern shotguns have rng spread, but theres always one pellet flying to the exact center
btw haerls i get they have 80% acc
but my point the bot goes straight above my head the first 2 seconds
well air nuns still has bot inconsistentcy
just
reset
top runs often show good rng btw
Most good Air players move back away from the bots as far as they can.
@vivid jolt ye but like, not actually move around
step back at start ye
No, they move around.
If the bot goes left, they'll move right as back far as they can.
ye
Masaato does this often.
Mainly only on the close strafes bots for obvious reasons.
well ye
@vivid jolt I enjoyed them very much. balanced out the advantage that defenders had
and still have
I hate air.
That bot is annoying man. It chases you down. It's scary.
ye
im telling you
the stuff of nightmares
If the bot goes left, they'll move right as back far as they can.
@vivid jolt i imagine that is just optimizing, not rly something essential
but nice to know
never noticed
No it's not necessary. Only a handful of air tryhards do.
Air would be nice if there was a horizontal-only 180 version of it.
its nice
it's fun
if you grind nuns skybot tilt can hit tho
lost 59points
i swear not logged into siege once this season and not lost elo
from cheaters
well
you play
to much
xd
i dont play at all
bro went back to 83 after using 33cm hip for ages it feels so weird having 40cm hip and 1x
nice joke mdr
GG @astral dagger, you just advanced to level 49 !
40cm hip
to fucking slow
cant moooove
i used to play 79hip and 1x
well thats just
idk
xd
@vivid jolt managed to speak in vf without getting flamed
revolutionary
he just asked if dbt had planned release date
It's a first time experience for me.
Though, I didn't get a response from anyone actually in vF.
I think talking about dbt in vF is a pretty safe topic
they read it i assume
aimer wont play siege he's too busy with the fortnite kids
He plays OW a lot still
see him in cookies stream duo quing often
PLus that black ice though
43
no
6-6-64
well i play 89-89-100
better yet just play 65-65-60 0.002
normie
i use 0.002
^
GODDAMN
look at that charm
try 65-65-60, its basically VertcL sens
3 years into this game, still no black ice š¦
think I only have it on irrelevant guns like P90
clearly you've never used 30.7cm hip
40cm or 30cm hip better for siege
what ever you like



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