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astral dagger
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50%wl every season

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1.3kd and loosing all my games in 5stacks '

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like am i the problem? even when i carry 10+kills 8/10times?

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i just dont get it

lime wyvern
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If you care about your rank you have to wait until all of the champs are in champ +wait for cheaters to get banned before playing anymore.

astral dagger
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i guess i wanna get better as well but like we loose against our own ranks as well

lime wyvern
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If you mainly play with the same people you should point out what you did wrong so that you don't make the same mistakes.

vivid jolt
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I missed this game.

astral dagger
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i hate it

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so much

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i want to be higher than plat 3

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but this is the story of my life

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carry and stuck p3

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@astral dagger NO FUCKING WAY

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i had the exact same moment twice

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i dumped a whole ash mag into a doc who didnt die after 15 hits with him standing still

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and i dumped like 10 bullets into a nomad that didnt take dmg

vivid jolt
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Be glad.

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That means you're getting that much more individual practice for mechanics / bad situations.

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You'll just be that much better when you get a good team to squad with.

astral dagger
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@astral dagger wanna play?

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i guess

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we got 3 ern

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rn

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generally if you're doing placements in the first 2 weeks its likely to match you against dia, champs, and content creators
@lime wyvern ^ye thats why i play mine early on my smurfs, its fun

lime wyvern
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I hate that glitch

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Also the yokai is indestructable at least some rounds for some reason

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shoutout to ubisoft

astral dagger
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i am popping off so hard

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best eu player

snow marsh
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@astral dagger ik the pain. im like 2 games off p2 but knowing my luck, gonna carry and still lose

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pain

astral dagger
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im insane

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actually hitting all my shots

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my kd when i started 1.2 now it's 1.5

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played 3 games went from 1.2 to 1.5

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wanna see some crazy clips boys

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im gonna say it

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im gonna say it

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im gonna say it

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these clips are on @astral dagger lvl

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i said it

vivid jolt
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Not playing the game for a month makes you feel like you've never physically played the game before.

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I feel like a console switchover.

astral dagger
inland lark
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Wow

mortal notch
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@astral dagger your sens looks higher than it was before?

astral dagger
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nope

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just fast af boi

mortal notch
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51cm?

astral dagger
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no 42?

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6-6-66-800

inland lark
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Ayyee

vivid jolt
lime wyvern
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that lowkey scared me

vivid jolt
lime wyvern
astral dagger
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@plucky ingot you still getting into the game ?

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anyone wanna play

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leveling new acc rn

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so

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u wanna play?

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for a bit

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i added you

vivid jolt
solid rampart
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@astral dagger its that confidence

vivid jolt
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Update for Six Major August 2020 from Ubisoft
Due to delays globally and health concerns remaining top priority, Ubisoft have taken measures and made changes in order to still proceed with the event.

This event will take place online rather than as a LAN event. Online events will be held across the month for all 4 core regions, dates are listed below:

APAC: 3rd to 9th of August, 2020
LATAM: Latin-America: 7th to 9th of August, 2020
NA: North America: 14th to 16th of August, 2020
EU: Europe: 20th to 23rd of August, 2020

Teams will also battle it out during these online events for their share of the Six August 2020 Major prizepool, $125,000 being allocated to each region.

Regional standing for the event will grant points towards Six Invitationals qualifications.

Twitter Announcement from R6esports: https://twitter.com/r6esports/status/1273648054177013760?s=21

night radish
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How did the r6bot news post turn into toast?!?!

vivid jolt
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Hacked.

static sentinel
vivid jolt
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Oh no. Playing again feels weird so I of course went through a sens change crisis.

frank compass
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yea

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who doesnt

vivid jolt
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Back down to the classic 45.

frank compass
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1cm change........

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lol

vivid jolt
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2.

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2cm.

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And it makes a huge difference in feel to me.

frank compass
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i thought u were on 46?

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toast hitting some hard placebo

static sentinel
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^^^^

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Does sens even matter after a point?

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If its in a reasonable area

frank compass
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no

static sentinel
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I dont think that your sensitivity should affect your game

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Especially 2cm of change

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You are just being hard on yourself and changing sensitivity in a slump is the worst thing you can do

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Alright Siege gods, my aim is decent however my crosshair placement in Siege is causing me to die

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Quite a bit

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I need to improve it rapidly as its one of the reasons that I cant perform as well

raw fox
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considering toast uses 1.0 xfactor 2 cm should feel off

frank compass
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for acog

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it should be noticeable

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for holo and hip

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it's placebo

vivid jolt
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No, sens doesn't really matter within a reasonable range, broadly speaking.

mortal notch
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just gotta convince people to use that reasonable range

vivid jolt
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"bUt i like the wAY this onE FEELS"

mortal notch
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he uses 8cm hipfire, 18cm holo

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"when i ads i use my arm"

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18cm

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pick one

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lowering his hipfire would make 180s too slow. he would be missing out on performance

timid mist
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oof 8cm hip

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way to low try 2cm hip

mortal notch
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he prefers 120gram mice because it gives him more control and "stiffness"

astral dagger
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ye i need my 5cm hip

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for when i need to turn quickly without adsing lmao

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"plenty of situations"

timid mist
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yea true

astral dagger
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ye man

timid mist
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2kg mice best

astral dagger
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silver ranked

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can be hard

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hes setup

timid mist
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g502 player

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for sure

astral dagger
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interesting how he says he needs 8cm to turn fast in hip and uses 18cm ads for slower movements

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when his ads is literally twice as fast of what most ppl use in hip to turn

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bet like 90% of ppl in here can still move faster and more controlled in hip on 30+cm

timid mist
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pretty sure

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i mean i used to have a 14cm/360 but i swapped to like 35cm some time ago and its even better espically in situation where you need to ´´turn fast´´

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I used to be like him

granite ivy
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i puked a bit lol

static sentinel
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Only chads use 10cm/360

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"I can flick better"

granite ivy
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it's funny how they'll even defend their preference if proven that every single good player has different settings

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real chads use 1m/360 holo

night radish
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@granite ivy dude can you do a video of you controlling thermite recoil

granite ivy
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Why lol?

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@night radish

night radish
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cuz i wanna see if im shit or its just fuckiing hard

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his recoil is shit

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for prolonged spray

granite ivy
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Ahh, will do later then

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But yeah

night radish
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like 18+ meters

granite ivy
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The 556 has a ton of horizontal recoil, not much you can do aside of using the compensator

silver mulch
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Is this only in thunt

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Or is office and fountain an actual bomb site

compact garnet
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Actual sites

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I think anyway

granite ivy
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Wait what

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Are we talking about border?

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Oh wait

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Yes, they are only in bomb t-hunt

inland lark
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very nice

astral dagger
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lol

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the way all 5 taunted is so funny

frank compass
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that's scripted

plucky ingot
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Is there ffa/tdm in this game?

frank compass
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no

frank compass
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Reviews: Melusi

★☆☆☆☆
" 𝙄𝙩 𝙢𝙖𝙠𝙚𝙨 𝙢𝙮 𝙨𝙠𝙞𝙣 𝙘𝙧𝙖𝙬𝙡. 𝙄 𝙘𝙖𝙣 𝙝𝙚𝙖𝙧 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝘀𝗼𝘂𝗻𝗱 𝙞𝙣 𝙢𝙮 𝙨𝙡𝙚𝙚𝙥.
𝘿𝙊𝙉𝙏 𝙇𝙄𝙆𝙀. "
~ YourAvgPlat


★★★★★
" 𝙃𝘼𝙃𝘼𝙃𝘼𝙃 𝙂𝘼𝘿𝙂𝙀𝙏 𝙂𝙊𝙀𝙎 𝙃𝙃𝙐𝙈𝙈𝙈𝙈𝙈 "
~ Silver4ever

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607

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AHAHAHAH

astral dagger
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gf said no balls so i did it XD

astral dagger
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why would u order a drink on amazon

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wtf

astral dagger
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a crate of 24

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you buy crates online a lot

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@astral dagger

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a crate 10 pounds

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tf

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ye 24x250ml

ashen bear
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for iq should i switch to the lmg? becuase some poeple think its better

night radish
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Up to you

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The lmg with angled is goated

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No clear cut better choice though

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Just depends what you wanna do

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The G8 has no recoil and 50+ bullets

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Idk what else youd want haha

inland lark
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i use g8 too

astral dagger
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G8 with angled is amazing

ashen bear
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what a barrel?

astral dagger
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flash hider

mortal notch
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552 does pog dmg while also having low recoil

velvet fern
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Did anyone's region change since the new operation?

vivid jolt
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Either they realize they need more people to fix it or they fired the guys who messed it up.

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Also I've heard that you can't change regions anymore, which I find super ass.

astral dagger
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Wdym

coarse valeBOT
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GG @astral dagger, you just advanced to level 1 !

astral dagger
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Its much better

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No more smurfs from other servers or kd boosting

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And rank is the same across all regions. U can still play on other regions

vivid jolt
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Now I can't change US regions if my region is unpopulated at night (if true).

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Just lock ping if anything.

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And even then I have qualms with.

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But I use South Central US server. Like that's so specific when the rest of the country is on 4 different servers.

astral dagger
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its not like you are diamond, there should be enough players playing in gold even at down times pplaugh

vivid jolt
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I don't want to play only Mexicans and Brazillians.

astral dagger
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U can still switch regions

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Just ur rank will be the same

vivid jolt
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Without joining someone else's party?

astral dagger
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Nope. Theres yt tutorials on how to do it

vivid jolt
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For the most recent update 3 days ago?

astral dagger
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I'm almost certain they only changed it so rank is the same

vivid jolt
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I'm not asking about rank.

astral dagger
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Dont think they removed the ability to change regions

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ahh early season solo q

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its not like its total cancer 🙃

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Yeah I'm done for a while

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Past matches all had plat 1 and diamonds

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nah

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thats the good part

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only issue are the 4 gold 3s on my team

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luckily im only playing on my alt but still

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Nah I cant compete with anything above plat 2

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Or I just get outsmarted

vivid jolt
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Good. Then you learn something.

astral dagger
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decent enemies are the only nice thing

vivid jolt
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You shouldn't ever want to play against people [low enough to be] on the same level as you.

astral dagger
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till they start meta abusing cuz they cant get out of p2 otherwise

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Well that's true but I dont like when I face a coordinated 5 stack while I have a carried gold 1 placing an exothermic charge on a window

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insane how a solid 50% or more of the plats and above couldnt get out of gold solo

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^actually happened and also had a thermite try to put a charge on a n indestructible window.

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but 5 stack tryhard and get their old peak after few matches with softreset

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when they all individually dont understand the game

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Once u get plat its extremely easy to get it again

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All the stress was taken away and I started playing much better after I hit it for the first time

coarse valeBOT
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GG @astral dagger, you just advanced to level 2 !

astral dagger
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stressing for p3 pepeStoop

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Hey. I was hard stuck gold....

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relatable

night radish
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Hows the cheater problem been so far this season

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I havent played a single game of ranked

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Been great

astral dagger
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i played only 1 which was fine

vivid jolt
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Have yet to play one.

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Man I don't think people genuinely understand how actually insanely ahead of every other gun in the game the AK-12 is.

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I keep seeing people saying its "one of" the better guns in the game. It is THE SINGLE best gun in the entire game and it's not even close. The damage output of the SMG-11 as if it were at point blank range.

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Ace is going to be putting massive numbers up over time.

astral dagger
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Every gun does the same dps because of 1shs pplaugh

vivid jolt
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Tell that to your 46% HS ratio.

astral dagger
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Silence eternal plat 3

vivid jolt
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Can't hear you over the sound of my AK-12 going off.

astral dagger
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Ive made it to max elo

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I literally can't get champ

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Also they haven't fixed abusing ranked system

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Still see people scraping the 1000 elo limit and using unrankeds

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And the first 20 games of the season are all that really matters

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At least for people who want champion

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@warm girder how are you going with champ pepega

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Honestly I will probably sell my account because I don't see myself playing this game much in the future

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I might keep it if I decide to return though who knows

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any eu players wanna play rn

static sentinel
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TLDW: Just use HiFi

night radish
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Use hifi why

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I know he explains but def tldw

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@static sentinel

static sentinel
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Other modes are more compressed, in each mode you can hear sound from the same distance, HiFi allows quieter sounds to be heard more easily from the ambient noise

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Night mode is basically compressed and sounds worse than HiFi, which isn't compressed as much

night radish
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So why are footsteps clearer on nightmode

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And louder

astral dagger
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they arent

night radish
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I hear them better lol

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Cuz i used to play hifi

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When i switched to nightmode i heard shit id never hesrd before

astral dagger
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anyone wanna play?

vivid jolt
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Already posted that.

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No one in their right mind would not use Night Mode when the tinnitus effect is worse on every other mode.

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Hear slightly better < Hear at all

frank compass
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The issue with HiFi vs other modes is

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HiFi has historically had the most issues in terms of audio

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Ive never had major issues with Night Mode

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but Ive had consistent issues with no sound on TV

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and HiFi is also very inconsistent

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Night Mode seems to have the least inconsistencies in audio (at least historically)

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also yea I agree with Toast

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the tinnitus is really really bad

static sentinel
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My problem with explosives is the dust

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I cant see shit

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This is on my must be changed asap list

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Oh and the Tinnitus different is like 1 second less

frank compass
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2 seconds

static sentinel
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It isn't that big of a deal

frank compass
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I watched

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the video

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and that is

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huge

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1 second even

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is huge

vivid jolt
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The slowest killing gun in the entire game is 533miliseconds. 2000miliseconds is massive amount of time to not have information.

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That makes a difference.

lime wyvern
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what is the slowest gun? Ump?

vivid jolt
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Tie with Ela's pistol and the AA-12 [vs. Rook +armor]

lime wyvern
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Old AA-12?

vivid jolt
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Oh wait, it got changed. Don't know what it is now.

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So, the GROM red dot pistol.

lime wyvern
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doubt it doesn't do less

frank compass
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GROM pistol, M12, UMP should be the lowest TTK weapons

vivid jolt
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I know the slowest TTK of machine guns are the MPX and P90 practically tied iirc.

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UMP has a 400ms, I know that.

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The M12 got buffed last season so it's actually great against 3armors.

frank compass
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is this v 3ar?

vivid jolt
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Like better than Lesion's gun.

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Yes.

frank compass
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do you know v 2ar

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cause it's the most practically accurate

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way to judge a weapon's ttk

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since theyre the most played ops

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at least when discussing defender guns

vivid jolt
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Well we were going for the worst possible TTK's.

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IIRC her 2armor and 3armor TTK is the same.

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So her 2armor M12 is trash.

frank compass
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yea

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m12 is dogmeat

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cause 550 rof

astral dagger
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how did u guys find your first 5stack

frank compass
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I played

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and met people

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and eventually I had the people I met meet eachother

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and then we started to 5 stack

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and then I took a repeated breaks from the game

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and the 5 stack died

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🙂

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at least that was my first (and only) 5 stack that wasnt when I used to stack w t1/t2 players

astral dagger
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I got an invite and there were 4 other players in the lobby

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We then queue for ranked

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I then never played with them again

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ok mini u didnt have to be ironic

static sentinel
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GROM red dot pistol is based

worn wagon
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I rarely get 5stacks, it's just ppl I know from comp. Sometimes they are 5stack.

static sentinel
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And one of the best pistols

worn wagon
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Mostly cuz I am a bot

static sentinel
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The clear sights are enough

astral dagger
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i cant soloq gold eu

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without a stakc

lime wyvern
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thunt is so bad lmao. I get shot through smoke and gun down terrorists that crouch around at sprint speed

vivid jolt
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Only 5 stack I have is a bunch of total idiots from CS. pepeLaff

mental snow
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i like the ump

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only on pulse

frank compass
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bump

mental snow
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fuck castle's ump, its the worst gun in the game

frank compass
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"only on pulse"

mental snow
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my biggest problem with utility in siege is that its too strong when used against players but cancels out against other utility

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i wish Rook was stronger

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imagine if rook made it so zo stuns and grenades weren't certain death

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even flashbangs cap etc

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cause rook atm is useless, if it made it so it nullified attackers utility against players a little bit more i think it could be atleast somewhat more viable

frank compass
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rook has never been really good

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like he used to be run in y1 when everyone sucked

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he was ok when glaz meta was at its peak

mental snow
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i mean yea but you werent at a detriment for running him in y1y2 because there wasnt must picked operators

frank compass
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but when people figured out that doc was actually super insane cause you could trade damage more efficiently

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rook died

mental snow
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now if you pick say, warden over wamai then youre fucked bc u cant stop attacker utility and ur only good for stopping flashbangs/smokes in a solo type setting

frank compass
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mhmmm

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and wamai just has a better loadout

mental snow
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rook just became worse over time bc there are better operators now

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or i should say more essential

frank compass
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and meta became less focused on playing like kanine as a defender

mental snow
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if rook armor made grenades not insta down/death and limited the effect of Zo's/caps/ whatever i think hed be picked more, especially in ranked

frank compass
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def

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would make him much better

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but still hard to fit in a competitive team comp

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rn you are basically forced into bringing boat loads of utility as a defending team

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to force out atk picks

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like it's a really boring way to play and watch the game

mental snow
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yes i agree, but its an alternative to the utility v utility meta and would make teams rely on it less to atleast isolate picks without taking a gunfight

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but theorycrafted rook + wamai + jager + melusi + maestro gives me nightmares to think about

frank compass
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mhmmm

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melusi/goyo, maestro, jager, wamai, Flex

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is so aids to think abt rn

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like intel meta from parabellum

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was less aids than this

mental snow
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melusi's gadget needs to be able to be destroyed by bullets/ either by total damage done (10-15bullets) or special zones u need to shoot on it (rewards precision)

frank compass
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yes

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dont know why

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bullet proof cams

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are the only "bullet proof" gadget that actually

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have weak spots

astral dagger
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this is one of the few times i see my favorite r6 youtuber type in here

vivid jolt
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Nah man you all sleep on Rook way too hard.

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The ability to take 25 more HP is insane.

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It's just an inconsistent variable because its efficiency not based on your skill, it's based on your enemy's.

frank compass
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I mean it also

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isnt better than doc stim

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like you can trade 40 for 40 damage with a doc

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and then be at 100 vs 60

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if you trade 40 for 40 damage with rook then it's like

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70 vs 60

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at best

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he's just not a good operator

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if you want impacts there are better ops

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if you want acog, doc exists

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if you want to make grenades less effective

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jager and wamai exist

vivid jolt
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The Doc argument is equivalent to the Rook argument, just more inconsistent. You can get unlucky (get headshot) in 1 gunfight and Rook still be useful. You can't get unlucky (get headshot) as Doc and still be useful to your team. You're dead and so is your utility. Rook's surpasses his life.

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Though, Doc has way more potential theoretically.

frank compass
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yes

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doc has a lot more potential to be useful

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and the benefit rook brings is

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very negligible

vivid jolt
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But Rook is realistically more consistently useful because of his ability to die and still support. Doc is just a gamble of higher risk higher reward.

frank compass
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since the ttk difference really doesnt affect actual gameplay

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realistically doc is pretty consistent depending on the level youre playing at

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also the same argument can be made for doc v rook

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rook does nothing if you were to be hs

astral dagger
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any eu players wanna que?

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with me and haerls

frank compass
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siege

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ew

astral dagger
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ikr

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might buy tarkov

astral dagger
inland lark
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Do u guys soloq or 5 stack

surreal cosmos
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yeah man all of us here are starting to quit siege some way

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i recently got back to csgo and apex. csgo when 5 man apex when we get hackers in csgo :o

frank compass
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playing siege in anything other than 5 stack isnt fun

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and playing as a 5 stack is barely fun

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you just dont have to deal with randoms which makes it bearable

surreal cosmos
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^

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but like im tired of... dealing with utility at the higherish level

frank compass
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pug'ing isnt fun in siege

surreal cosmos
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and im not even at the high level

frank compass
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and the current meta isnt fun

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or healthy

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the recent changes have just been so shit

surreal cosmos
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i only enjoy scrims

frank compass
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and the recent ops are so shit

surreal cosmos
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why is buck nades gone

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like melusi is literally

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9 barbed wire

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now its 6

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thats literally the radius of her shit

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and ace's op idea is just
best gun + better thermite/hibana + best 2nd gadget = ppl love him = no hate from players = profit

frank compass
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ace isnt even

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that bad

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and he's very easy to fix

surreal cosmos
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ik but dont like the fact ubi just slapped on great stuff on him

frank compass
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melusi on the other hand is just a shit idea from every perspective

surreal cosmos
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its literally

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free win

frank compass
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I mean AK isnt that much better than M4/Type

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like in practical use cases

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it doesnt feel that much better

surreal cosmos
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yeah but stat wise it is. but idc about gun its the fact his gadget is > hibana imo now

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and also

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smokes

frank compass
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smokes yea

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better than hibana for everything but hatches ye

surreal cosmos
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i havent touched siege in a while. but he has basically 3 thermite charges but smaller?!

frank compass
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mav is only relevant because of nades rn

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uh

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yes and no

surreal cosmos
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like hello you cant even kaid trick or what my friend said

frank compass
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yea that's the issue

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the timing

surreal cosmos
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i mean, the maximum possible is 3 smaller thermite charges

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my friend said you cant bandit trick anymore if theres ace but idk if thatas true

frank compass
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Ace is worse than maverick at getting a bandit off the wall unless you have a thatcher
Ace is worse than Hibana at getting hatches
Ace is worse than Thermite for opening most site walls you would use a thermite for

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but

surreal cosmos
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ill at this point have ubi rework the ops instead of making new one

frank compass
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He's good at all of those things

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which makes him very strong

surreal cosmos
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yes buts he is more flexible imo

frank compass
#

yea

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that's my point

surreal cosmos
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hes worse than mav... but HE CAN

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hes worse than hibana, but HE CAN

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hes worse than thermite, but HE CAN

astral dagger
#

I hope someone breaks the arms of the guy who made melusi

frank compass
#

yea fuck Melusi

astral dagger
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and his fingers

surreal cosmos
#

who thought that shit was viable

frank compass
#

like Goyo was a decent idea that was released over tuned

surreal cosmos
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'ah yes sound que, slow effect, also massive range'

astral dagger
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hopefully hes never creating an operaotr again

frank compass
#

but Melusi is just fucking dumb

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Melusi doesnt even sound like a good idea

surreal cosmos
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i mean

astral dagger
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gadget go HUMMMM

surreal cosmos
#

ubi just wants players to come back

frank compass
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"Bullet proof and melee proof barb wire that goes HUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM"

surreal cosmos
#

so give melusi op gadget + 3 speed WITH impacts

frank compass
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she originally had shield

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LMAO

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if she had shield she'd be the strongest defender in the game

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uncontested

surreal cosmos
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just slap good crap on new ops = everyone likey likey

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not brain dead ppl = fuck u ubi

frank compass
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rn she's like release goyo but even more braindead

astral dagger
#

no alex

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release goyo

surreal cosmos
#

bro. shes probably the most OP op ive ever seen

astral dagger
#

wanst good in ranked

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thats the diff

surreal cosmos
#

true. release goyo nobody saw his potential in ranked

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but melusi

astral dagger
#

this gives you aids in every scenario

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cuz placement doesnt take skill

frank compass
#

Well yes

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hurls

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youre right

astral dagger
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ofc

surreal cosmos
#

yeah just slap it in the middle of the hallway, lets put 3 ads and 5 wamais

frank compass
#

release goyo was only decent in ranked bc tcsg

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the shields were just kinda meh

astral dagger
#

ye tcsg and no one knew how to use shields

frank compass
#

Melusi on the other hand is broken in ranked and comp

surreal cosmos
#

^

astral dagger
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and your mates if you arent coordinated

surreal cosmos
#

absolutely broken

astral dagger
#

they wont work with the shields

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but melusi

surreal cosmos
#

like

astral dagger
#

god

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what a joke

surreal cosmos
#

i hate melusi so much her effect should effect her own teamamtes

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like it doesnt activate when teammates in radius, but if enemy is in radius and they are also, they are affected or something

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like wtf

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radius smaller was good but like... now u have 3 utility to get rid of still

astral dagger
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btw

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the hitbox of the things is so scuffed

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you can use them like a mira window

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lol

surreal cosmos
#

the melusi?

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or like the goyo

astral dagger
#

yes

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melusi

surreal cosmos
#

i havent touched siege in a long time

astral dagger
#

if you place them at like a doorframe you can put your head behind and see everything while they cant shoot you

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just too nice

surreal cosmos
#

btw i saw @frank compass talk in apex, so is there any good tracking scenarios? i used to basically only to click time but apex is heavily focused on tracking imo

frank compass
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idk

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anything tracking rlly

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benchmarks

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sdk routines

astral dagger
#

theres a ton of good tracking scenarios lul

frank compass
#

sparky routines

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tracking is really where kovaaks is great for if youre a beginner tracker

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like I was

surreal cosmos
#

haha my tracking is so shit because ive never played any tracking heavy game

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csgo and r6 ttk time is basically instant if u have good click timing so

frank compass
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I mean

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I hate siege

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so I started playing

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anything else

surreal cosmos
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same

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i just cant see shit in apex :( and they move faster than siege. i have a different sens in apex than siege so idk if thats even good now

vivid jolt
#

I hate siege

Consistently interacting in the #siege channel daily.

frank compass
#

I mean

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yea

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what else am I gonna do w my time???

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play actual games??

vivid jolt
frank compass
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as long as most of my relevancy comes from siege

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and half my friends are playing siege

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I will interact with the siege community

astral dagger
#

Siege isn't fun for me anymore because every single match feels the exact same

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After playing a few comp games it feels like I'm simply doing the same thing over and over and I get bored

granite ivy
#

That’s the nature of competitive games

vivid jolt
#

As he said. Doing anything else in life "professionally/competitively" is never going to be anything else besides doing the same thing over and over.

granite ivy
#

Yeah, which is why it’s key to have some other game to chill and have fun when the repetition gets to you

mental snow
#

i disagree, siege competitively is way less predictable than say CSGO

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way less repetitive

frank compass
#

this current meta

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has felt pretty repetitive

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the loss of mozzie sg prob exacerbates that a little

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since you have less flexibility on strats

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but yea usually siege comp is pretty dynamic

vivid jolt
#

siege competitively is way less predictable than say CSGO
Oh, for sure. Siege has definitely got to be the most diverse FPS there is, no question.

frank compass
#

also one of the worst to play

static sentinel
#

And watch

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For a casual noob, it is very easy to watch CS

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2 teams

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Both pew pew each other

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But with Siege, while the presentation is cool, no casual noob is going to sit there and wonder why they are simultaneously looking at 3 different floors from a birds eye view

vivid jolt
#

Well you say it's the worst to play, but considering your other options are...
Fortnite: An RNG game with literal legal aimbots and bloom
CS: A game that literally hasn't been updated in 20 years and has weapon inaccuracies
Overwatch: Abilities and meta's so bad that the pro scene killed itself
Apex: Never even had a living competitive scene
Valorant: The inaccuracies of CS but just with the ability annoyance of OW (albeit well made)
CoD: Flaming shotgun Riot Shield bad spawn C4 claymore AC130 dropshot inbound

...Sound bugs and a terribly stale meta doesn't sound that bad considering the core gameplay.

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No game is without turn offs. No game will ever not be without gamebreaking annoyances that make you "hate it."

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Never. Not competitively at least.

frank compass
#

Core gameplay isnt a good argument when we are so far gone from the core of the game 5 years in

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I also didnt claim that every other game was perfect

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all games have at least 1 major issue

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siege just happens to have more than every other game

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and competitively siege is just as unhealthy as OW right now

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Fortnite is shit
CS is competitively sound and has enjoyable casual modes because of community servers
OW is competitively unhealthy and casually hit or miss
Apex is competitively a joke and fun casually 50% of the time
Valorant is competitively sound, but lacks content to make it enjoyable as a casual game
CoD was never meant to be competitive or balanced in its core gameplay. That's why promod existed.

static sentinel
#

^^^^

frank compass
#

Siege isnt fun casually right now because of all the shit ops, Siege isnt fun competitively right now because of the stale ass meta.
Siege has major gamebreaking bugs that no other game comes close to having on a CONSISTENT basis.

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And siege's patch schedule is INSANELY slow

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Fortnite, CoD, and Apex were never meant to be competitive games at their core.

OW, CS, Val, and Siege were.

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comparing them isn't fair to any.

vivid jolt
#

Yes, Aljo. Yet again you are right.
I hereby mandate that everybody now must state how much they hate Siege at least once per day.

frank compass
#

I never said that?

vivid jolt
#

Anyone who does not meet these requirements will be timed out.

frank compass
#

thank you toast

static sentinel
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I love Siege

frank compass
#

for doing this for the 100th time

static sentinel
#

Ok, no it actually fucking sucks

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There is no alternative to Siege

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So we play Siege :(

frank compass
#

I mean

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define alternative

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there are plenty of alternatives

static sentinel
#

90% similar

frank compass
#

depending on what you want

static sentinel
#

Same game core, defend attack, operators

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And I ain't playing Area F2

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Thats off limits

frank compass
#

if you want a competitive tac shooter that is actually polished, you can play CS
if you want a game with similar movement and ttk, you can play Tarkov
if you want a game that is not very similar but has more skilled movement and more enjoyable gunplay (subjective), you can play Apex
if you want another moba-style fps game, you can play OW

static sentinel
#

All of these games just remind me how chad CS is

frank compass
#

if you want something in the middle of the moba-style fps gameplay and the tac shooter, you can play Valorant

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the issue with Valorant rn is just a lack of content and the mechanics can be very hit or miss.

static sentinel
#

If only there were no inaccuracies

frank compass
#

I don't like CS for the same reasons Toast doesnt

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but I cant say it's a shit game

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when it's very polished and well balanced for the most part

static sentinel
#

Liking a game is subjective

#

But CS is absolutely killing it in the FPS genre

vivid jolt
#

Considering it's 21 years old, that's to be expected.

frank compass
#

Quake is older and dead

vivid jolt
#

Yet polished.

static sentinel
#

Yes, but being able to stay relevant for that long

vivid jolt
static sentinel
#

is an achievement

vivid jolt
#

Of course.

frank compass
#

ah I thought you were referring to

But CS is absolutely killing it in the FPS genre
@static sentinel

vivid jolt
#

It invented tac shooters.

frank compass
#

not my polished comment

static sentinel
#

If only Valve stopped acting like CS was a bastard child

frank compass
#

I mean after 5 years, youd expect siege to be semi polished

static sentinel
#

And drop Dota for good

frank compass
#

but no

static sentinel
#

Its worse

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Somehow

frank compass
#

after 5 years we still have major issues that make it almost technically unbearable as pre-Op Health

static sentinel
#

I mean, the engine is the same engine used for AC2

frank compass
#

but at least the gameplay pre-Op health was good

static sentinel
#

We need like 4 more Op Healths

frank compass
#

it was just a technical disaster

static sentinel
#

It just makes me sad

#

To remember all the good times that I had with Siege

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And the state it is in right now

frank compass
#

I mean the more Ive played other games

#

the more Ive started to dislike siege's core mechanics

#

but like

#

I still think they are fine

static sentinel
#

I still wish Siege was more pewpew than strategizing

vivid jolt
#

That doesn't mean you need to come in here and describe how much disdain you have for various things relating to the game everyday.

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And shouldn't.

frank compass
#

Toast

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I contribute

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to the discussions

static sentinel
frank compass
#

that are had in here

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I rarely start

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them

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I just carry them on well past their due

static sentinel
#

Yeah, true. All discussions on #siege are about how shit the game is anyways

frank compass
#

Like I dont know why you have such a fucking issue

#

with me

#

I mean I do

vivid jolt
#

Contributing is not ending the discussion with describing how bad a meta is or saying how much you hate the game lately. It's not needed, especially in an improvement community.

#

Nobody reads that and strives to be better.

frank compass
#

lol

#

half the discussions are literally

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"X is bad"

#

like huh

vivid jolt
#

And you're not the only one either.

frank compass
#

yet you specifically target me

#

constantly

vivid jolt
#

Way too much negativity in here lately. Complaining in here consistently isn't going to change shit.

static sentinel
#

Dunno what the problem is really

#

Why not?

vivid jolt
#

Like a complaint or two is fine and understandable, but when it's constantly the dominant topic or mood, it's not beneficial nor healthy.

frank compass
#

What else is there to even talk about with the game?

static sentinel
#

What do you expect from #siege then?

frank compass
#

like what positivity can you talk about

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when talking about siege

static sentinel
#

I mean, if I go into a game and get fucked on by the servers

frank compass
#

this patch is a disaster just like every season launch

static sentinel
#

Imma come here and cry

vivid jolt
#

If you can't think of anything besides complaints, then you'd be better off leaving.

frank compass
#

thank you Toast

#

when the game has something positive worth talking about

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Ill be the first one all over it

static sentinel
frank compass
#

but literally no one comes in this channel and talks about how much they enjoy the game

#

even the new players

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who come into sparky

#

talk about their issues during their playtime

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like even the white names talk about how they have X Y Z problem

static sentinel
#

Its also the reason why news channels don't cover positive news, it doesnt gain that much attraction

#

Talking about how shit a game is bound to get the convo rolling

frank compass
#

because everyone who can get to a half decent level in this game or has been playing for an extended time, can see the glaring issues

vivid jolt
#

We're not here to gain attraction, Cyn. Nobody profits from complaints here.

frank compass
#

except we do

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it's cathartic

#

it's a good release of stress

static sentinel
#

Exactly

frank compass
#

people gain plenty from complaining

vivid jolt
#

So suggest an alternate change to discuss rather than "the more I play this game the more I hate it" and ending with that.

#

That's a conversation.

frank compass
#

like mini and vladr, the people who are constantly able to stack the game with good players, are trying to make careers out of the game, and play at a high level, constantly talk about how unenjoyable the game is. It's the nature of the community and the current state of the game.

vivid jolt
#

I didn't ask what the nature of the community is.

static sentinel
#

Its usually that or offtopic conversations

#

Which I prefer tbh

vivid jolt
#

Have conversations, not therapy sessions.

frank compass
#

The Sparky Siege Community is a microcosm of the Siege Community.

#

We are having conversations

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about how the game is.

#

and most of the time, how the game can be changed for the better.

#

literally half the rants end in "this is how it could be better"

static sentinel
#

Also, enough complaints eventually will be heard

vivid jolt
#

No they won't.

frank compass
#

They are heard and ignored as is.

static sentinel
#

That's just bad business practice from Ubi then

vivid jolt
#

literally half the rants end in "this is how it could be better"
Almost all of them should be.

frank compass
#

I mean ubi isnt alone in that

#

a lot of devs just

#

ignore the community

#

completely

#

or only cater to casuals

static sentinel
#

Have you seen the preview trailers?

frank compass
#

for?

static sentinel
#

The devs are literally using controllers

frank compass
#

oh

#

yea

static sentinel
#

They fucking suck

frank compass
#

those

#

yes they do.

#

but like

#

most devs do

#

it isnt a thing unique to siege

static sentinel
#

We need "gamer" devs

#

lmao

vivid jolt
#

Truth.

frank compass
#

like Valorant.

static sentinel
#

Yes

#

I feel like Valorant has so much potential

#

Yet something I can't really put my finger on is off

#

Its so weird

#

I dont know what I dont like about the game, but something is pushing me away from it

frank compass
#

the game feels mechanically watered down

#

movement is slow

#

instant acceleration

#

rng sprays

static sentinel
#

Yes, most likely that

#

I was really excited when Project A was revelead

#

I was expecting a more mechanic version of CS

frank compass
#

I mean the movement was the first thing I noticed as frustrating when I played it with Buck the other day

static sentinel
#

So my "aim" could finally shine

#

All I got was CS but with even less aim

frank compass
#

the hero shooter genre has an issue

#

if you focus too much on the shooter mechanics

#

then you have watered down heroes

#

if you focus too much on the heroes

static sentinel
#

I really really like OW

frank compass
#

then you have watered down mechanics and the game feels like a moba with some FPS mechanics

static sentinel
#

But I am too late to that party

#

And I dont have any friends who play it

frank compass
#

OW did mechanics well

#

but did abilities poorly

static sentinel
#

Playing McCree is so fun

frank compass
#

and just balanced badly after launch

static sentinel
#

Especially since I can click time

#

I perform well with him

frank compass
#

Siege did mechanics pretty ok (very good for most people who pref low ttk), Siege did characters pretty well (with few exceptions) up until Blood Orchid

#

The original design team for siege was

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arguably better

#

than the newer teams that have been since

static sentinel
#

I don't know whats up with Siege mechanics

#

While my aim improves

#

My Siege mechanics stay the same

frank compass
#

the game doesnt emphasize mouse control

#

and mouse control is really overrated in most games

static sentinel
#

Then we are Kovaaksing for almost nothing :D

mental snow
#

i enjoy siege despite its flaws, i dont enjoy CS/Valorant despite their polish

frank compass
#

idk if Valorant is necessarily polished

#

man it feels like it's been an eternity since the Stadium map gamemode

vivid jolt
#

Wish Stadium was in custom match playlist. Also the Wild West map.

frank compass
#

wild west mode was

#

actually so fun

#

I miss that

vivid jolt
#

Remove the dust and add respawns and you have a perfect deathmatch map.

#

I'm afraid they're going to hear the community request for "training mode" and add a stupid firing range like in Apex.

frank compass
#

remove dust

#

in general

#

would be a great change

#

also removing barrel attachments and just changing recoil across the board

#

would be a good change

#

the illusion of choice with attachments rn kinda just feels like a poinless minigame

vivid jolt
#

Nah, I think giving far more attachments that affect recoil would be better, so instead of just finding the best recoil diamond and calling it good, you could actually influence your recoil to your playstyle.

#

Battlefield 4 style.

frank compass
#

remember when you had to spend 250 renown per barrel attachment?

#

meh BF4 style is kinda diff tho

#

cause bigger maps

#

harsher recoils

vivid jolt
#

I think they could do something interesting and give attachments value.

#

Like grips that reduce recoil of sustained fire.

frank compass
#

maybe

vivid jolt
#

Grips specifically catered towards single/burst fire.

#

Adding variations of ADS speed decrease with them.

frank compass
#

Id rather them do that with barrels tho

#

tbh

vivid jolt
#

Barrel reductions on some guns that increase ADS speed but increase recoil.

frank compass
#

the grips as are

#

are pretty fine

#

but flash v muzzle v comp is a pretty pointless distinction rn

#

cause there is pretty much 1 dominant attachment every patch

#

it's just wasted effort for no reason

#

but I do like your idea of

#

favoring diff parts of spray moreso than the way they currently fxn

vivid jolt
#

Weapon customization overhaul has so much potential in a game where 1 bullet can make the difference. I think it's a massive waste to not invest into it.

frank compass
#

it's kinda just

#

do you want simplicity

#

or complexity

#

I think either way it would be a good change

vivid jolt
#

Seems they already answered that themselves.

frank compass
#

depending on how implemented

#

well rn theyre neither

vivid jolt
#

Nothing they do is simple, really.

frank compass
#

i disagree most things added

#

are very simple

#

in terms of design

vivid jolt
#

aight well... ppsad

frank compass
#

it's just that they overtune most new things

#

like Melusi is just barb wire

#

Mozzie is just a slightly differentiated/specific mute

#

Maestro is complex/new

#

idw go through all ops

#

cause it's unecessary

vivid jolt
#

You really could change the way gun setups are handled drastically if they got creative. They could have grips for decreased hipfire spread. Chokes on shotguns that change the spread pattern. Grips that increase ADS walking speed. Grips that effect the rear grip instead which could be something like an ergo grip that slightly increases reload handling speed, Etc.

#

1.5x optics.

static sentinel
#

You are missing the most crucial thing

#

A green holo

compact garnet
#

Custom reticles when

vivid jolt
#

Resizable and recolorable reticles should be existent.

compact garnet
#

Make holo the size of a dot

#

Ezy

static sentinel
astral dagger
#

I wanna see someonemake a red dot where it fills up the entire fram of the sight

static sentinel
inland lark
#

I kinda like golden gun still

#

That game mode

#

I didnt really feel about the game modes before that because i wasnt familiar as much

#

Stadium map was not badd too

#

Golden gun is the only mode where i dont need to use guns
Just use a shield

mental snow
#

Golden gun would have been more fun if there was no utility

#

wild west goat LTM

vivid jolt
lime wyvern
#

dm more fun i bet

vivid jolt
#

I'd pay bank for a DM server browser.

#

Do we know why the TDM custom servers were only doable on the Red Crow build?

astral dagger
#

Work hard

#

No money

#

Skins ez

#

Big money

astral dagger
astral dagger
#

What else is there to even talk about with the game?
@frank compass exactly

plucky ingot
#

nice dog shit cutscene

#

that i had to watch

#

lasting 20mins

#

nice loading times too

#

xD

astral dagger
#

@vivid jolt This man just freshly installed the game, there really must be that much good stuff to talk about

astral dagger
velvet fern
#

Cuz the match was a joke.

vivid jolt
#

If you can't find things to talk about in the most in-depth and complex FPS ever made than you're either an idiot, you're trash, or you genuinely don't care and just want to complain.

#

Not my problem.

#

But littering the chat with only "I hate this game" "this game sucks" (or using that as your primary reasoning) every day, unfortunately, is my problem.

astral dagger
#

tbh i also never see you start a discussion in here with "I just had the most fun ever in my life with this game"

#

no one does that

#

same goes for every other game channel

#

no one starts a talk with "this is so amazing"

#

its either questions on the game, which are mostly answered neutraly

#

or discussions of game features

#

and well, with the current state of siege its obvious what features are discussed

#

the shit ones

#

I am sorry that i cant fanboy the base mechanics when a lot of everything else has gone shit 5 years in

vivid jolt
#

Dude. No one wants you to come in here and just say "i love this game it's so amazing" everyday. That's equally useless as the prior.

#

Like come on, man.

#

I don't have to explain this.

#

I can't imagine a major in BR.

#

Shit would be loooud.

astral dagger
#

i mean

#

na crowds are dead af

#

most the time

#

in comparsion to anything else

frank compass
#

After careful inspection of all other channels

#

They.... shock .....do the same thing

#

Except afps and warcraft

astral dagger
#

@frank compass really ?! who wouldve thought

vivid jolt
#

After careful consideration of how badly you want to purposelessly complain, I.... shock ....don't give a fuck.

#

Get over it.

astral dagger
#

we all love siege in here or we wouldn't play it at all in the state it's in but that shows when the game is fixed to a playable state we will enjoy it so mucn

#

we die to bullshit we get upset and complain we all do but we can all just hope it gets to a good state again

#

in the mean time complaining in sparky chat about it wont help i knew this as i use to complain the most haha

static sentinel
#

Siege is like an abusive girlfriend

frank compass
#

except you clearly do Toast because you spent a good amount of time last night complaining about other people complaining

vivid jolt
#

Man it's almost like that's my role on the server to keep chat's as discussions and spam-free.

#

I genuinely don't need to continue arguing with 15 year olds about why mindlessly bitching without actual discussion or purpose isn't healthy for a chatroom. If you hate something so much then get a life and stop forcing yourself. It'll be treated as spam and spam will be muted. Now carry on with your day.

frank compass
#

when have you ever done that?

#

also there is nothing in the rules against that

astral dagger
#

"discussion free"

#

ye discussions very bad

#

pls dont exchange opinions

frank compass
#

Hurls that's bad understanding of english grammar/Toast's scuffed phrasing

astral dagger
#

ye i thought so

vivid jolt
#

Anyways has anyone tried the playfab/ region swap?

#

Does that actually work?

frank compass
#

uh

#

Remorce figured out how to region swap

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cause we did it the first day of patch

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to avoid EUS hackers

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and I doubt he used that

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Yea he just used the ini

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and it worked

vivid jolt
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Weird, my .ini file hadn't been changing for me.

astral dagger
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comments on this shit

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are so hilarious

frank compass
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that was a

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really funny thread

astral dagger
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ye

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i laughed

vivid jolt
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Dude that thread was wild.

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Paulina could catch it tho lowkey.

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I'd play hardbreach for that.

astral dagger
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This channel purely exists for shitting on siege now

frank compass
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ngl

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Tyler really looks like a Taylor

astral dagger
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i prefer

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hot and cold

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qt

frank compass
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dude

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this makes me

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so nostalgic

raw fox
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Hyper is a bad bitch in that tweet LMAO

vivid jolt
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Man I DONT care I MISS SKYSCRAPER.

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I know it was bad but Godddaaammit I had so much fun on that map in comparison to all the other maps.

astral dagger
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the fuck

frank compass
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dude ngl

astral dagger
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did i just

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see

frank compass
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Sparky old siege tournament

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would actually be

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so fun

vivid jolt
frank compass
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Like i would play skyscraper again

astral dagger
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only base game ops

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pls

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or like

frank compass
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if we could just play up to Velvet Shell ops

astral dagger
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blood orchid

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state

frank compass
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Velvet Shell

vivid jolt
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All year 1?

frank compass
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Mira made the game so much better

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honestly a classics event would be goated

astral dagger
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ît was

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so nice

vivid jolt
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A custom match would be pretty neat. Would need 10 people on board, though.

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Then timing.

frank compass
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mhmmm

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lots of variables so itd be hard to do

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but

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just so many good memories

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after watching the F3 v Ominous throwback match

static sentinel
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Toast remember the OG Siege 1v1s?

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Wanna do that again but with Sparky?

frank compass
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1v1s ResidentSleeper

vivid jolt
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Already thought of it but not enough people explicitly stated interest in a high ping 1v1 tourney.