siege

[frank compass]

should be suspended

[astral dagger]

so

[frank compass]

dont care

[astral dagger]

not best system xd

[frank compass]

That is a rare exception

If it means smurfs will be suspended until review

Im fine with that

[astral dagger]

no its not rare

[frank compass]

it is

lmao

[astral dagger]

if you try hard at the start of the season and arent shit

we literally did that in plat 2

[frank compass]

in fucking gold maybe?

in Phantom sight placements when I ended 4600 ish in Burnt Horizon

I held a 2.8-3.2 in my first 15 games

[astral dagger]

what

[frank compass]

thats fucking absurd

but its so rare

it doesnt matter

[astral dagger]

"in pnanthom site placemetns when i ended ... in burnt horizon"

[frank compass]

the point was

[astral dagger]

XD

[frank compass]

in mid-high plat

[astral dagger]

just the way you phrased it

[frank compass]

idk how else to phrase it

?

like idk the exact elo number

[astral dagger]

ye we got called cheaters 24/7

idk

[frank compass]

because unranked

and +elo from previous season final rank

I dont think someone under level 100

should be able to play

if they are able to hold a 4.0+ KD

and anything above a 8.0-10.0 WL

they should have their fucking account suspended

if that means more annoying to smurf

so be it

I dont care

If I play another level 30 with a 5.0 and a 20 WL

[astral dagger]

^ye but its a shit long term solution

[frank compass]

Im uninstalling the game

it isnt tho lmao

[astral dagger]

like it doesnt fix the cheater issue

[frank compass]

it does tho??????

[astral dagger]

it literaly doesnt detect that they cheat

its just

you are good

get banned

kid

[frank compass]

Hurls

do you not understand how GOOD players

dont even have those stats

99% of the time

unless youre in SHIT rank

[astral dagger]

well if you start a new acc

you can get it in plat

easily

with a 5 stack

[frank compass]

When I started my smurf in Wind Bastion and went 10-0 in placements solo

I had a 3

[astral dagger]

well you played solo

[frank compass]

In a stack my KD shouldve been less

and my WL shouldve been higher

[astral dagger]

nah

[frank compass]

yes

[astral dagger]

kd goes up the more support players you stack with xd

[frank compass]

maybe its just because Im used to play flex/sppt in a stack?

but like

i dont care

you should be suspended

for those stats

idc idc idc

im so fucking done

playing people who are clearly hacking

it's ridiculous

[astral dagger]

but like if they implement it

[frank compass]

when any anti cheat system should auto suspend

[astral dagger]

they prob wouldnt go to only ban ppl that have both high wl and kd

[frank compass]

or force a manual review

[astral dagger]

they would prob already ban for one of those stats

beeing rly high

[frank compass]

what

?

Im not saying ban

Im saying suspend

until review

[astral dagger]

or suspend

yeah

[frank compass]

I dont see how that is a problem

in any way

[astral dagger]

like if you have 100% wr but 3kd or 2.5

do you still get suspended ?

[frank compass]

if youre under level 100

yes

absolutely

[astral dagger]

well if youadd level

kinda works

[frank compass]

I LITERALLY SPECIFIED

LEVEL

at the beginning

caps

[astral dagger]

but then again depending on how much ppl play

or if they play on a lot of diffrent accs

[frank compass]

idk how someone under level 50 can get a 4.0+ KD, 10.0+ WL and not get banned
@frank compass

[astral dagger]

it can take you like 2 seasons to get lvl 100+

[frank compass]

good?

I dont care

My smurf still isnt level 100

[astral dagger]

ye how many seaso ndid you play

on it

?

[frank compass]

uh

like

[astral dagger]

4

that you were ranked in

and you made 35 levels in playing those seasons of ranked

and you still only are 65

[frank compass]

10 games Windbastion, 10-20 games Phantom Sight, 8 games Ember Rise, 30ish games Shifting Tides, 20-30 games this season

[astral dagger]

so 35 levels more

[frank compass]

mhmmm

but I am

above level 50

[astral dagger]

that take longer cuz they take more xp

[frank compass]

I guess a better way to say it

would be

if you have under 100 ranked games played

[astral dagger]

nah but the less games you have played

the more likely stats like that are

so you suspend even more ppl

that dont cheat

[frank compass]

I dont

Care

at all

not gonna lie

let them play unranked

or casual

[astral dagger]

yeah but in the end its a lackluster fix to the issue

[frank compass]

if I play another

level 30

[astral dagger]

you actually need to detect the cheaters

[frank compass]

in Champion/Diamond elo

[astral dagger]

to ban them

[frank compass]

Im going to uninstall

literally

do not care

what happens to the rest of the playerbase

Im tired of playing people who are obviously hacking by stats alone

[astral dagger]

A 4.0 kd is achievable in 20 games

If you sweat your ass off

[frank compass]

and you play against bots

yea

[astral dagger]

I had a 2.8 after 10 games and I placed plat 1

10 of the games were placements

I'm like at 1.8 now

[frank compass]

yea 2.8 is very doable

in first 10 games

[astral dagger]

ye

[frank compass]

while still placing high plat

[astral dagger]

i think i had like 2.0 on my main when i got to higher plat with 85% wr

[frank compass]

hey hurls

[astral dagger]

on like 35-30 games

[frank compass]

youre still

missing the point

your main

100

[astral dagger]

ik

stigs is in fnatic now

[frank compass]

doesnt get factored in

to this conversation

[astral dagger]

but i dont want every other acc i have to get cucked

Is this true?

for 4 seasons in a row

Stigs joined fanatic so knights have to pick someone up

[frank compass]

youre literally smurfing

[astral dagger]

https://twitter.com/KnightsGG/status/1254746006912147456

Pittsburgh Knights (@KnightsGG)

It's tough to say, but we're announcing the release and transfer of @StigsR6 this morning.

We'd like to thank him for all the personality and skill he's brought to the Knights during his time here. We know there's nothing but great things in his future. 🦁 #PKR6S

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[frank compass]

its an alt account

so like

why care

[astral dagger]

cuz then i have to unlock it

with ubi sup

i wait like

10 weeks

for it

I will ask them idc

[frank compass]

another thing

they could do

2FA

through A PHONE

[astral dagger]

They probably picked up campo or something

Bloody team hopper

[frank compass]

LIKE LITERALLY EVERY OTHER GAME

[astral dagger]

and it doesnt matter what elo you have those stats in aljo

cuz theres cheaters

in bronze elo

[frank compass]

and the ones in bronze

are dogshit

[astral dagger]

so they have to smh get those to

[carmine pier]

most cheaters are in silver and gold btw

[astral dagger]

yes

[frank compass]

dont care

im not playing the shit cheaters

[astral dagger]

@astral dagger his contract was up and he got offered more everyone would take that

i get elo role back on a copper 4 acc

NICE GAME UBI

[frank compass]

Im playing the people who are speed hacking, walling, and tp'ing around the map

[astral dagger]

me too

[frank compass]

with 5.0s and 12.0s

[astral dagger]

and its aids

[frank compass]

in champion/diamond

like

[astral dagger]

35 kd 100% wr

with lvl 50

v fun

never missed a headshot too

[frank compass]

Ive played 2 hackers this season

[astral dagger]

skilled ppl

[frank compass]

who were > lvl 50

the problem with changing the level req

[carmine pier]

just 2

[astral dagger]

oh i have played so many

[carmine pier]

grats

[astral dagger]

who were above 50

[frank compass]

is that doesnt fix anything

[astral dagger]

its not even funny

they need a trust system for siege

2FA with a phone

[frank compass]

@carmine pier Ive played probably 40-80 blatants this season

[astral dagger]

or it will stay like this

like prime for csgo and the trust system

trust system is just annoying

[frank compass]

because I play one/a group of them every 8 games or so

[astral dagger]

it doesnt do a whole lot

[frank compass]

on my main acc

and ive played around 80-120 games on my main, idr

[astral dagger]

i mean ragers not that many

but the blatant walls

@astral dagger strig deserves it he's a good player

its just disgusting

to get sprayed through the roof

But I wonder who knights pick up

[frank compass]

and Ive played what Ive assumed to be an additional 10-20 people I thought were closeting

[astral dagger]

and your whole team dies

ye he is

"ez"

[frank compass]

because it isnt hard to figure out when most people closet

[astral dagger]

ye

its easy

[frank compass]

since most closets are fucking horrible

[astral dagger]

to figure

XD

no game sense

movement of a bot

so funny

The best free agent players are probably deptra or campo

but you get hs through walls

[frank compass]

like if I had closet hacks, no one would know

but half the closets

[astral dagger]

cuz you move and know the game

[frank compass]

in plat

are dogshit silvers/golds

[astral dagger]

closets are dogshit

its pathetic

[frank compass]

like I would literally never die

unless i got shot in the back during a gunfight

[astral dagger]

well aljo

i had funny experiences

like the enemy saying "hvh" in chat

and then ragging

[frank compass]

like the fact I got called a cheater on my alt the other day

while not even playing very well

is depressing

[astral dagger]

all the time lol

hit 1 good shot

[frank compass]

because these people have never encountered the annoying ass blatants that completely kill the experience for everyone

above mid plat

[astral dagger]

xd

[frank compass]

I cant go one ranked session on my main without running into a stack or two of hackers

it's depressing

and most people are like "well it isnt actually that bad, you just remember the day as 'i faced hackers' when you play them, even if its 1/20 games"

but holy fucking shit

i literally keep count

~every 8 games this season

phantom sight was ~every 14

ember rise ~12

burnt horizon i was lucky and ~26

idk im mad

and Im almost positive there is nothing ubi can do at this point

to try and alleviate the issue

unless they get a better anticheat than whatever version of BE theyre running

[night radish]

Those 900 messages couldve been condensed to about 250

Especially cuz aljo had to repeat over and over for hurls who clesrly wasnt reading lol

Jesus Christ

Mate of mine has lost over 600 elo this season to cheaters

[frank compass]

I agree, and I was getting very irritated since I was pretty sure I was being quite clear

losing 400-600 elo is standard at this point

[night radish]

Question i have, if you beat a cheater, you still lose elo right

[frank compass]

yes

[night radish]

Cuz they make the game like it never happened?

[frank compass]

and if you lose to one, you dont get the elo back unless ur under ur seasonal high when hes banned

but ur seasonal high is whatever it was at the time of losing to the cheater

they dont tho

they take away a random amount of elo

[night radish]

Which is so fucking stupid

[frank compass]

when I gained elo I gained 1/3rd what I lost

when I lose elo I lose the full games worth or more

[night radish]

Funny how bad ubi botched that 1

[frank compass]

CS's system

lets u keep the elo

if you won

and just removes teh loss

if you lost

like I dont understand

why that isnt the system

[night radish]

Which makes sense. Also their win 2 take a 24 hr break system would probably help siege

[frank compass]

I would love to have that

for people under level 75

but CS

doesnt reset ranks

like siege

there is just decay

so it wouldnt work as well

people would just buy accounts high enough to avoid the penalty

and if it applied to all unrankeds itd make new seasons annoying asf to rank in

they could just get rid of unranked and reset you

to whatever rank you would be with the unranked elo +- the bonus you get from ending a certain rank

[astral dagger]

i just afk when i see a cheater in my lobby

playing makes no sense

at all

[frank compass]

it's a mood killer

and it usually means time to server swap

which is time consuming

[astral dagger]

@frank compass cold or warm water when washing pad?

[frank compass]

cold

you can probably use like luke warm/room temp water

if you want

but dont use hot water

sorry I realize I saw this very late

[carmine pier]

@astral dagger

where's those vods

[stuck panther]

@frank compass how often should I clean my mousepad? I have two cats so there’s increased dust/cat hair etc

[astral dagger]

mouse pad

washed

and it fast

now

Once every two weeks

[frank compass]

i clean mine like

once a month

if even

[astral dagger]

Yeah well you're not a gamer clearly

Gamer sessions create gamer gunk

You have much to learn

[frank compass]

my pads

pretty clean

so

my zero

has a shitton of hairs stuck in it

which is aids

but my hien is v clean

[astral dagger]

Obviously he doesn't game enough

@frank compass washing the zero is safe right?

and how do you wash yours? just water or shampoo or?

[frank compass]

pillow case

cold wash

hang dry

[astral dagger]

ah ok ty

[frank compass]

speaking of which

i need to wash my pads

so

[astral dagger]

does the zero loose glide if not washed?

[frank compass]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i haventbeen using my zero

for like

the past 3 weeks

[astral dagger]

ah ok guessing washing will restore it tho right?

[frank compass]

it does w the hien

[astral dagger]

also do you have the zero in soft and what about your hien?

[frank compass]

i would assume it does w zero as well

soft for both

[astral dagger]

ah good i have a question

[frank compass]

mmmmmm

[astral dagger]

how much faster is the soft hien to the zero?

[frank compass]

much

like

G640 vs GSR almost

[astral dagger]

ah ok do you think it's good for siege on 44cm?

[frank compass]

mhmm

I like the texture on my hien more so I use my hien

if I was playign siege seriously

id use zero

or gsr

[astral dagger]

i was torn between hien and zero i went with zero cos when i used my thor for the 1week it lasted i didn't like how fast it was

[frank compass]

but humidity makes gsr super inconsistent

[astral dagger]

ye that's why i hate it

[frank compass]

so i cant use my gsr for 80% of the year

[astral dagger]

that's what got me to buy an artisan

uk weather is humid all the time

contuur

you getting on later?

i dunno internet keeps going down

when internet is back

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/680850238579277988/704384312039964713/image0.png

ye id be able to play today

we'll see

they said they're working to fix it so i'll keep a eye on twitter for updates

it's working rn

insane

but like it goes down for 10 mins and comes back for a while

don't wanna loose ranked games and get bans cos of it haha'

[frank compass]

mmmmm i hate not having my mousepads available to use

this is why i dont wash them

[astral dagger]

same

[frank compass]

fuck me

hien takes forever to dry too

[astral dagger]

@carmine pier need sort the team out first pal we need new players who wanna scrim and actually commit to improving

but as soon as we do we will send vods pal

the hien is a cloth right?

i always found the texture so interesting and weird

how it's like a rough texture

do you have wine red hien?

[carmine pier]

just thought i'd recommend the dechanic control

[frank compass]

Control is a fast pad tho

siege is better with a control pad

@astral dagger sorry for late response, Hien is a cloth pad and both my artisans are black

[carmine pier]

bro

this is the perfect pad

the texture makes flawless start/stops

[frank compass]

dechanic control

is faster than the hien

i think the ideal pad for siege

is the gsr se

maybe inkedgaming

but due to humidity

I think the Zero XSoft or Soft

might be the best if you factor in environment

[carmine pier]

have you used?

[frank compass]

i havent used the dechanic no

but according to the hoya sheet it is faster

and Ive heard the texture is rough, similar to the hien

so I have a general idea of what it is like

[surreal cosmos]

i just switched switched to 70cm/360 ADS and im loving it more than 60cm whoop

[astral dagger]

should i stikk with

50 ads

or try 83 ads

since people play with 83 a lt

[lime wyvern]

Whatever you like

[astral dagger]

i heard 83 is better since its 1:1 or somethin

[frank compass]

60-75 best

[astral dagger]

ok

is that what you like

[coarse vale]

GG @astral dagger, you just advanced to level 2 !

[astral dagger]

or is it proven its good

or something

[frank compass]

its the range I personally believe is best

because you dont exceed the focal point sensitivity

[astral dagger]

OK

ok

i have a 15 in mousepad so do you think 60 is enough @frank compass

[frank compass]

,calc 15*2.54

[tepid delta]

Result:

38.1

[frank compass]

whats ur sensitvity and dpi? @astral dagger

[astral dagger]

9 9 60

400

[frank compass]

id say use like 63-75

[astral dagger]

ok

[frank compass]

but 9/9/60 would be fine

it's in the recommended range

[astral dagger]

ill use 63

and see its ok

[frank compass]

63 is 75% holo

[astral dagger]

if*

idk what that means

but ok

[frank compass]

it means holo is 75% of your hip sensitivity

on 63 ads

[astral dagger]

ok

and acog?

[frank compass]

uh

idk the multiplier for acog off the top of my head to do the % conversions

[astral dagger]

i think its 35

[frank compass]

a little less than 50%

thats the fov multiplier

not the sensitivity multiplier

[astral dagger]

ok

[frank compass]

~70 ads is 50% acog

so 63 would be somewhere in the 45-50 range if im not mistaken

[astral dagger]

@astral dagger dont go 83

it doesnt have any advantage

over lower ads

besides being able to fuck up micro corrections

xd

and i use 1:1 for all scopes myself

its not recommended fi you want ideal settings

https://streamable.com/049px7

like how cringe is this elo

why can i retake like that

blows my mind

its high gold

[frank compass]

tbf

the ying whiffed hard

[astral dagger]

obvsly

[frank compass]

but the rest of that

is just depressing

like how are ppl that bad

[astral dagger]

it just hurts

i was literally trolling

played for the frags

you dont understand the comms but i say "thinking that i could retake this is asking for too much"

at 1st frag

btw after that round i poured coffee into my pc XD its from that game

[tacit prawn]

go racingcar08

[frank compass]

its actually so annoying

how well the sponge on the artisan bases hold water

[normal bloom]

aljo

do you machine wash your pads?

[frank compass]

42069

yes

[normal bloom]

oooh

[frank compass]

I throw them in pillow cases, with my sheets

and do a cold wash

[normal bloom]

the play

[frank compass]

with a small amount of detergent

[normal bloom]

ill have to try that

[frank compass]

like the detergent i have

has markings on the inside of the cup

1-5

I do 1 for washing the pads

[normal bloom]

ah ty

[frank compass]

then I usually roll fold it up in a towel

while trying to keep it flat

but the artisan pads are really fucking annoying to dry since the water is soaked into the sponge

you COULD air dry them in the dryer and you can def hang dry them (in the sun prob best)

[normal bloom]

can you hang dry them?

[frank compass]

but I dont want to put my mousepad outside

[normal bloom]

dw

[frank compass]

yea if I hang dry I just hang it up in my bathroom

I just find folding it in a towel to be more convenient

[vivid jolt]

Modigga done with Siege :/

Feels bad.

[frank compass]

yea

super depressing tbh

i didnt even really like the guy either

[vivid jolt]

I always felt Modigga had a ton of potential, man.

Fuck.

[astral dagger]

imagine just getting relegated

lmao

with no org

[vivid jolt]

To be honest...

They should scrap the Tachanka rework.

[frank compass]

thats one mighty, controversial opinion you have there toast

[mental snow]

seems like im finally getting people on the zero hype train

/s

[frank compass]

do u have a soft or an xsoft vladr?

[mental snow]

both

[frank compass]

mmmmmm

[mental snow]

i prefer the soft, bc i found the xsoft was similar to the gsr that it was very inconsistent based on humidity

[frank compass]

yea im pretty sure Remorce said he had an xsoft and he said it was a lot like the gsr

although hes in VA so idk what the humidity is like there

[normal bloom]

much difference between soft and mid?

[frank compass]

for which pad

[vivid jolt]

FX Zero.

Mid and Soft is probably like a 5-10% friction difference.

As a very rough guess.

[frank compass]

I was gonna say for the Hien

the mid is much faster and reportedly has different XY movements

[normal bloom]

doesnt make sense since the material should be the same

unless they were all made in a few batches with shitty qc

[frank compass]

yea idk what specifically causes teh XY movement variation (or if its just a rare issue or an issue with the pads)

[normal bloom]

ok so replace b180 with leap 180 reload

[frank compass]

man i got excited and thought they actually did

[normal bloom]

nah but they should imo

also 1w2ts reload should be a clicking bench

[frank compass]

I would rather

1w2ts than TE

fuck TE

[normal bloom]

same

[frank compass]

such a garbage scen

[normal bloom]

i cant think of a practical application either

also get rid of fast strafes

not even a mouse control scen

just vrt rng pattern learning

[frank compass]

mhmmm

[astral dagger]

fuck TE

all my homies dont like TE

[normal bloom]

yeah legit

theres a normal sized pokeball isnt there?

could replace te as a speed scen

[frank compass]

ye

meh

there are better

speed scens

5 sphere endurance

[astral dagger]

1w1t

[frank compass]

for example

[astral dagger]

xd

[frank compass]

and 5 sphere endurance also has fixed FOV

so no cheese

[normal bloom]

ah havent played it

[frank compass]

not that that really matters for clicking

5 sphere endurance is fun tho

[normal bloom]

have you tried toasts pasu dodge recoil?

[astral dagger]

get flanked is hitting to hard

i have enemy teams playing defense first that ban fuze

[frank compass]

Pasu dodge recoil sounds like a worse version of pasu dodge

which im already not a big fan of due to the slow ass targets

[normal bloom]

ye its a cool idea though

just that recoil in vaaks is eh

[astral dagger]

@frank compass so i should just stick between 63-70?

since i have a 15 in mousepad

[frank compass]

,calc 15*2.54

[tepid delta]

Result:

38.1

[frank compass]

yea

that should be fine

[astral dagger]

ok

with 400 dpi correct?

[frank compass]

you should be doing like a 180 on full mousepad

with that sens

[astral dagger]

imo use 800 or 1600 dpi

its just technically better

in theory

[frank compass]

shouldnt matter too much for siege

but id def say 800 is the best dpi

having used 400, 800, 1000, and 1600 extensively

and 450/500 a little bit

[astral dagger]

idk

i like slow sens

like my controller sens is slow af

i cant control high sens

[frank compass]

controller is slow as fuck regardless of sens

[astral dagger]

and idk how to do custom dpi

seems complicated

[frank compass]

what mouse do you use?

[astral dagger]

magic eagle

im pretty sure the first option is 400

i hope

[frank compass]

oh

that looks kinda shitty ngl

[astral dagger]

welp

i dont feel like getting a new mouse

[frank compass]

but I would assume it either has software and/or dpi stages

which wouldnt be that hard to change

400 is fine tho

[astral dagger]

i think it has dpi stages

you click the button on the mouse

but i cant find the color things

where it shows what color is what

i just assume red is 400

[frank compass]

mmmm

google

[astral dagger]

and so on

[frank compass]

if its red > purple > blue > green

then 400 > 800 > 1600 > 3200 most likely

[astral dagger]

purple is 3200

most likely

its the last one before red

mine is

[frank compass]

mmmm

[astral dagger]

red green blue purple

[frank compass]

I assumed it was the same colors as zowie

but yea

prob

[astral dagger]

ty

[dawn coyote]

i got 5670 on pasu track inv like 3 times already

like, i cant get beyond it

[night radish]

oooof

do small

a lot

[astral dagger]

@frank compass i just did a full mousepad and i did way more than a 180

past a 360

[frank compass]

Uh

Then ur def not on 400 dpi

Cause if ur mouse pad is 15in then thats ~40cm, and your hip is like ~44cm on 9/9 @ 400, while ur holo is ~58cm on 9/9/63 ads @ 400

Or you have mouse accel on

[normal bloom]

lol op res

1080x1080

[astral dagger]

@normal bloom square monitor

[normal bloom]

ye but stretched

dw its shit

too pixelated

any pros play low res?

because theyre bots

[frank compass]

lax used to play 1600x900

stizze played 1024x768 cause he had a garbage PC

[mental snow]

ANYBODY WITH A LEFT NUT WANT TO PLAY NA RANKED?

[vivid jolt]

https://twitter.com/DarkZeroGG/status/1254868043026411528?s=20

DarkZero Esports (@DarkZeroGG)

Ying entering site like... #RainbowSixSiege https://t.co/RxPvHLnrFa

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[warm girder]

ME

[vivid jolt]

Ayo.

[mental snow]

Fish i love uuu

[warm girder]

im unranked on Na

get me in

[vivid jolt]

Rank doesn't matter.

[warm girder]

wdym

i cant que if vladr is like champ or something and im ranked plat

[mental snow]

im on my alt

[vivid jolt]

Void Edge feels.

You know the user.

[normal bloom]

toast

1w2ts reload and leap 180 reload

should be benches imo

[frank compass]

please

get rid of TE and b180

[normal bloom]

^

[frank compass]

or at least use wide wall

[normal bloom]

@vivid jolt get rid of te and b180 or im going to have to ban you

[vivid jolt]

1w2ts is too RNG with spawns. Better than 1w6s for practice, worse for score consistency.

I've advocated for removing B180 since it was added. I've been clowned over and over again for it. I've had page long arguments with GM Overwatch players in the discussion chat about how it's useful because "enemies can jump."

[normal bloom]

leap 180 reload

im sure theyd agree is better

[vivid jolt]

I agree entirely but my voice is not heard on that topic anymore.

[normal bloom]

😪

[frank compass]

do GMs have a say in benches? @vivid jolt

[vivid jolt]

A few do.

[frank compass]

mmmmm

ic

[vivid jolt]

About 10/16 of the people in there are.

[vivid jolt]

Big meanie Fisho boolying the low ranks.

[warm girder]

i forgot 😠

[coarse vale]

GG @warm girder, you just advanced to level 4 !

[astral dagger]

wait how

the fuck is that matchmaking

[warm girder]

i was trio'd with vanir and vladr

they hadn't played placements in asia

[astral dagger]

but how scammed do you feel

when you lose a game

are Gold

[warm girder]

lmao

[astral dagger]

and enemy top is champion

[vivid jolt]

PSA: I'm not fkn' gay.

Carry on.

[astral dagger]

does that mean you don't love me toast? 😭

[vivid jolt]

I love you, Hurls.

[astral dagger]

[vivid jolt]

Cat eating ass.

[mental snow]

No, toast confirmed the fact that he is gay.

[vivid jolt]

That kick button lookin' kinda easy to accidentally hit.

[normal bloom]

is that toasts ass the cat is eating?

[vivid jolt]

Ayo..

[normal bloom]

you would put cat treats in your ass

[astral dagger]

@vivid jolt i've been writing something up and nearly done i was wonder could you add it to the sens part of the google doc i can dm you it if you need to read through it

[vivid jolt]

Sure. Can you edit the google doc?

[astral dagger]

idk

i'll look in a sec

[frank compass]

I think its funny

Champ plays with unranked

unranks are 2500 elo

champ plays golds

good game 👍

[vivid jolt]

Game would solve SO many issues if they just had similar to League's elo system.

[astral dagger]

@vivid jolt Says this when i try to edit

[mental snow]

i dont think ive bitched about siege as much as i did today

holy shit

[frank compass]

game horrible

[vivid jolt]

@astral dagger DM me you email so I can allow you perms.

[mental snow]

imagine dying to someone hitting this animation during a gunfight

he hit the fucking dab

[normal bloom]

dabbed on by ubi

[astral dagger]

@vivid jolt i think it worked does it show up for you?

[warm girder]

https://youtu.be/y7tVIJwHUgU

me trying to cosplay zeeq, and practicing shooting candelas as they roll towards my face

[astral dagger]

it's priv

make it unlisted so we can see with link

[warm girder]

shid

xd

[vivid jolt]

As a fellow Pressure Clicker, I salute thee.

[normal bloom]

wait

can you shoot candelas?

@warm girder what cm 1x do you play fishogal

[noble belfry]

@normal bloom hes on 33.25cm and is also playing in the nationals at the moment

[normal bloom]

ah very nice

[astral dagger]

is kali in meta?

[worn wagon]

nah

no one can frag with the 300winmag thingy

and for the c75 as primary the gadget is weak

pocket strats - yes, possibly usable

[mental snow]

can somebody explain six masters format to me i am retrded

[worn wagon]

league format

everyone plays everyone twice

bo1 matches

is what liquipedia has to say

so idk

[mental snow]

i thought it was a lan tournament not an online league

[worn wagon]

like cl

[mental snow]

must be mistaken

[worn wagon]

it's says it's offline

so

idk

[mental snow]

thats what i thought

[worn wagon]

but next playday may5

[mental snow]

tis confusing

[worn wagon]

yep

[worn wagon]

Am I the only one who doesn't find theme park enjoyable to watch?

(not only six masters game)

[carmine pier]

i like it

because its different

i think the density of a lot of the areas where engagements happen makes it awkward due to the spectating system

[vivid jolt]

Ayo whaaaaaaaaaaaat
https://twitter.com/BrainbowR6/status/1255048070649257985?s=20

Zachary (@BrainbowR6)

Liiiiiikeeeeeeee BROOOOOOOO https://t.co/FirJcxT58R

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[astral dagger]

interesting monty plays

by fisho'

[vivid jolt]

Am I the only one who doesn't find theme park enjoyable to watch?
@worn wagon I was saying earlier that I do not care what pro player, coach, aimgod, ranked star, US President, or Victoria's Secret Model tells me that Theme Park is a good map, I will never not find it boring as hell and an awful map.

Wait is Fisho actually playing Monty?

I thought he was trolling when he said he had saved Monty strats earlier.

[warm girder]

https://twitter.com/ESLAustralia/status/1255090130831867906 pog

ESL Australia (@ESLAustralia)

🎶 One, Two, Three, Four - @Fish0guy he get's them all! 🎶 #SM10 https://t.co/X73QouCtLW

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but lost 😔

[astral dagger]

@warm girder was the monty last minute?

[warm girder]

no

[vivid jolt]

Monty main revolutionizing before us.

[worn wagon]

I don't hate theme park that much

but it won't be fun to watch all the vods I'll need to when we'll start playing themepark

[frank compass]

Theme Park isnt bad in comp

but it is super attacker sided

[worn wagon]

???

[frank compass]

Theme Park is attacker sided in comp

[worn wagon]

My team doesn't play it

[frank compass]

because there is so much destruction

it forces out a lot of aggressive defensive holds

[worn wagon]

and I didn't watch much of it

I didn't think about that oen

[frank compass]

I havent watched a shit ton of it, but playing it and talking to my friends in NA CL

and also the G2 game played on it

Throne is the only super defender sided site

[carmine pier]

^^

[frank compass]

if the defense sets up correctly that is

if you try to anchor throne

[carmine pier]

throne is so op it throws off the balance

rest of it is pretty meh

[frank compass]

its garbage

nah Id say throne is fine

its awful in ranked

but its rlly nice in comp

cause it forces aggressive defense holds

like most throne strats call for roam in initiation side of the map

which means youre getting a lot of engagements as a roamer

[astral dagger]

thats why i like theme

i just gunfight

[warm girder]

lol?

there is barely any destruction on theme

On the 3 most viable bombsites half the site's floors are indestructible

Also the destruction doesnt force the extended holds, it's the chokepoints at control / cash and cafe / breakroom

if the attackers telegraph their attacks and defenders hold the chokes that's half the fight

[frank compass]

it's one of the most destructible maps in the game rn

lol?

[warm girder]

what useful destruction though?

what puts it over other maps

[frank compass]

Im not saying it's better than other maps, Im just saying it isnt a horrible map

Bunks is not a good site design

[warm girder]

it's a good map, im saying there's minimal destruction

[frank compass]

but Initiation and Throne are pretty solid, or at least interesting

[warm girder]

i just dont agree with this statement

[frank compass]

Half of Throne/Initiation
Downstairs has a shit load of destructible walls which leads to some very interesting/weird drug setups
Most of the Floor above drug/in Bunks is destructible except for the flooring in kitchen and right under the Bunks/Initiation wall

[warm girder]

3/4 bombsites are HALF INDESTRUCTIBLE compared to most PL maps where 4/4 bombsites have fully destructible floors

bank / club / consulate basements are some of the only exceptions

[worn wagon]

I agree with fishoguy much more then with you

Mostly about the chokepoints

[frank compass]

I dont disagree

with the choke points

I also think in terms of destruction per site

hes right

[carmine pier]

Then how is the map itself functionally attacker sided

[warm girder]

In ranked or CL at the moment it might be

but in competitive it isnt

[worn wagon]

Don't disrespect CL like that

[frank compass]

in my play, in pro league the times Ive seen it played, and in NA CL

it is attacker sided

[warm girder]

in PL?

[frank compass]

G2 played it

[warm girder]

the only team that got more atk rounds than def is G2

[carmine pier]

It's been played like 4 times

[frank compass]

against vitality

[warm girder]

that's the only time...

[frank compass]

what was the split when SSG played it?

wasnt it 3-3?

[warm girder]

yea that's even

then they won majority defence

4 def wins

[frank compass]

In this current meta, splitting 3 rounds as attack

is huge

and would qualify a map as atk sided

[warm girder]

then how is it attacker sided

[frank compass]

imo

[warm girder]

what

there are like no attacker sided maps in the current meta

[frank compass]

Coastline

[warm girder]

2/7 maps isnt majority

[astral dagger]

theme park

[coarse vale]

GG @astral dagger, you just advanced to level 3 !

[frank compass]

I didnt say

[warm girder]

consulate is slightly attacker sided

[frank compass]

majority?

[astral dagger]

throne is so easy to attack

[frank compass]

ever?

[astral dagger]

just bring a thermite and someone to get rid of the bandits

[frank compass]

Most maps split 4-2 in favor of defenders

coast is the only one that consistently splits 4-2 for attackers

consul and theme park consistently split 3-3 or 4-2

[warm girder]

coast being the only map being attacker sided proves my point

even then in pl it's by a few %

[frank compass]

its like

56%

iirc

[worn wagon]

Please

Don't disrespect CL and top of Nationals

[frank compass]

but most of the defender sided maps are only 46-48% attacker win rate

[warm girder]

4-2 consistently would mean 67% winrate for attackers

[frank compass]

also I dont know why you said "in CL maybe but not in competitive"

like

CL is literally competitive

[warm girder]

the top 2 CL teams of each region* are comparable to their regions respective PL teams

globally

which represent the actual meta for maps

[frank compass]

yea and respectively the level of competition usually goes EU > NA > LATAM > APAC

for teams overall

[worn wagon]

EU>NA>Latam is kinda not that relevant

[warm girder]

so would you say majority and NA / LATAM / APAC CL teams represent the meta?

[frank compass]

it is when looking at overall region performance

[warm girder]

if they played theme

[frank compass]

no but I will say that EU CL and NA CL both are more representative of the meta than most of APAC and the bottom half and CL in LATAM

[warm girder]

im not referring to NA or EU

im talking overall

apac cl is literally all bots

[worn wagon]

Region performance depends on a lot of things

[warm girder]

most na cl teams disband each season

[frank compass]

@worn wagon objectively, EU has the most LAN competent teams

[worn wagon]

According to how many LANs?

Japan was flawed

[frank compass]

according to the past 2 years of tournaments?

I didnt say they had the best teams, I said they had the most teams that can consistently perform on LAN

[worn wagon]

Rogue, tsm, liquid won minors

Liquid won pl

[warm girder]

EU has historically been dominant

[coarse vale]

GG @warm girder, you just advanced to level 5 !

[worn wagon]

Japan was flawed against latam

[frank compass]

lol?

EU has had 2 teams come up through CL and dominate internationally within a year

in recent history

[warm girder]

^

[frank compass]

that alone proves EU is the most competitive region

like I literally dont have a horse in this fight asides from stating the objective fact

that EU is the most dominate region overall

[worn wagon]

Don't think there is a noticeable enough difference between T1 team in main regions.

The fact that EU teams rize is caused by the best amateur scene in the region

[frank compass]

And having a better core means your top teams will be stronger

because there are more good teams to scrim

therefore more ideas enter the meta

which will put a region ahead

Secret, Empire, BDS, G2 are 4 EU teams that have won at and consistently competed at events in the last year-year and a half

NA has TSM and SSG

LATAM has Liquid, NiP, and Faze (to an extent)

APAC has Fanatic

im sure im missing 1 or 2 teams

but the fact that EU has multiple teams that consistently attend and place highly in tournaments, while all other regions only has 1 or 2

demonstrates the dominance of the region

it doesnt mean the BEST team is in EU

it just means the region as a whole is the best

[warm girder]

ya SSG winning SI doesn't make the rest of NA on par with EU

[frank compass]

the only other team in NA that is on par internationally is TSM

but tbf its kinda hard to say since the other teams generally dont even get to attend events

LG did ok at the events they attended, but now theyre disbanded so

who even knows

[worn wagon]

Does NA being the most successfull region at SI(3 playoffs teams, 2 top 3), Na winning DH montreal, DH valencia, having 3 top 4 finishes at the last 2 PL finals(37.5%), Na having 7 teams in SiegeGG top 20?

[frank compass]

SiegeGG top 20 is meaningless

their rating system is not good and Ive talked to splek about it multiple times

who won DH Val? idr

MTL was TSM iirc

[worn wagon]

rogue

[frank compass]

wait

Rogue won Val or MTL?

[worn wagon]

valencia

[frank compass]

With what lineup?

I dont remember this tournament at all sorry

[worn wagon]

eclipse

slashug

vert

shuttle

easily

[frank compass]

so a team that no longer exists ok

yea I completely forgot about valencia

you can make the argument that NA is best due to SI performance

[worn wagon]

I am not saying it is best

all I am saying there is not major difference between T1 in EU/Latam/Apac

[frank compass]

there def is

for LATAM and APAC

you can make the argument there isnt for EU and NA

[worn wagon]

nvm

I'm dumb EU-NA-LATAM

[frank compass]

But APAC only has 1 team that consistently attends international events

[worn wagon]

completely agree for apac

[frank compass]

its depressing

wokka retired

and Ramu left

otherwise APAC would prob have 2 consistent contenders

also C9 and Giants are super inconsistent teams

which doesnt help

I would also say LATAM isnt up to par

because Faze is not good recently

and Liquid is super inconsistent