siege

[frank compass]

is pinned in here

as tips

so i doubt it

[astral dagger]

gonna do a chad tarkov factory run

and then write when character is ded

[frank compass]

im gonna try nap time round 2

[vivid jolt]

Insane job, Hurls.

Crazy what we did in 2 hours with only like 5 people.

[astral dagger]

glad you like it

[night radish]

He called it a hueristic because he is making fun of aimer7

[vivid jolt]

No I wasn't making fun of Aimer. There are plenty of easier ways to make fun of Aimer.

This is literally a heuristic.

[surreal cosmos]

Did I count as the 5 ppl

;(

[vivid jolt]

A bunch of tips enabling people with better knowledge so that they can go apply and learn for themselves how to play the game proficienctly.

Yes you did Solarris.

[surreal cosmos]

Yay

[vivid jolt]

We're not even close to done yet though.

Especially if we decide to do operator specific tips.

[astral dagger]

in depth guide for every opertor

comming up

aight toast

gonna do the grips and laser stuff tomorrow

tarkov now

[acoustic oar]

Lmao glgl> tarkov now
@astral dagger

[coarse vale]

GG @acoustic oar, you just advanced to level 2 !

[vivid jolt]

👍🏼

[acoustic oar]

I have a some probs with my sensitivity cuz I don't know which is better so i changes it every game
@acoustic oar can smbd advice smth about this one?

[vivid jolt]

Check the pins.

[acoustic oar]

Oh

Tyty

[astral dagger]

Hmm seems interesting

I don't know what advice I can give outside of a competitive environment since I've never been a ranked or soloq player

mini cant just no brain pew pew heads

sad

I feel like an asshole when I try to igl my ranked stack and tell them all the wrong things they were doing after every round

But hey, what do I know. They are the ones with 5k elo not me

I used to be in a team and all that happened after every round was nitpicking and criticism so now I'm a nitpicker and a critic

Feelsgood

[night radish]

Lololol

Are we gonna add vid examples

[astral dagger]

@vivid jolt I want to go in depth with certain roles in attack and defence can show some hypothetical scenarios and have some more advanced information included after the basics?

Such as what strategies will be used against you by attackers if you are roaming far off site with a lot of utility

Etc

[vivid jolt]

Absolutely please do!

If there is anything you know about how to properly play the game, no matter what it is, find/make a topic about it and write it down.

[astral dagger]

we are just gonna

solve the game

[snow marsh]

yes

[vivid jolt]

Yes.

This will be the most advanced encompassing Siege guide ever created.

[astral dagger]

ye

we got

sparky siege discord channel

and all its wisdom

with ppl like toast or me

who can only play the game in theory

[frank compass]

I considered putting my movement example

on the doc

but it seems/feels a little egotistical

[astral dagger]

I feel like clearing/movement is very stylised in this game

Everyone does it different for better or worse

Just habits

[frank compass]

I do agree there is no best way to move through a map/clear a room

there are just better/more efficient ways to do it

and for newer (or worse) players, having good examples is nice

[astral dagger]

I'd say the simplest way to enter a room is to drone it, if cam is destroyed redone, and then enter while checking every common angle

Make an important note there though, knowing how to check every angle isn't as simple as tracking a corner of a door around a corner but you have to know where players usually are, which takes a lot of experience

[frank compass]

ofc

[analog halo]

Also common pre-fire spots.

Need a decent amount of hours to hit those consistently

[astral dagger]

anyone wanna help me with placements only have like 3 left : P havent played fully since grim sky

Well if you are face checking and clearing without info you won't be prefiring

[analog halo]

Yeah.

[frank compass]

depends

[coarse vale]

GG @frank compass, you just advanced to level 24 !

[analog halo]

Skylight on Kafe

[frank compass]

Server on Bank

was a big one

[analog halo]

Mhm

[frank compass]

Coastline you can do it on a lot

Border too

[analog halo]

Siege has soo many factors

[astral dagger]

The only times I really prefire in this game is when I definitely know someone is somewhere or I am prefiring to stop over aggression from the enemy

[frank compass]

I mean those are 99% of the times I prefire

but I also dont suck at droning

[analog halo]

:p

I play with too many people who lose their drones too early.

[frank compass]

the guide is for beginners

more so than exp players

[analog halo]

Yeah

[astral dagger]

I'd say it should be for both

Maybe have the basics of a mechanic, and then below have a more advanced section

[frank compass]

I mean

most sections are mostly basics

with a few more advanced things said

[astral dagger]

Well that's what I'll be doing when I write whatever I'm gonna write tommorow morning ♿

[frank compass]

but (in my mind) the guide is aimed at newer players or people who need some tips

people who are exp and already have a lot of habits

arent going to benefit from a guide telling them what to and what to not do

[analog halo]

Already know majority of what will be written

[frank compass]

exactly

[analog halo]

Oui

[frank compass]

I guess another way to phrase it

is

at least in the sections I did today

[astral dagger]

It's good to have things in there that even experienced players do not know I think

[frank compass]

I thought about what I see when Im on my alt when im in gold/low plat

and what could be improved

in those players

and I genuinely dont consider that elo range experienced

[astral dagger]

Outside of aim, there is just too much to improve on and most of it is experience and learning from conpetetive play

[analog halo]

Information/Tactics is a bigger portion of siege than just pure aiming.

[frank compass]

aim is not really significant

in siege

[astral dagger]

Outside of a vod review, being very comprehensive with the guide is the best way to leave no questions unanswered

[frank compass]

like genuinely doesnt matter

[analog halo]

Look at Fabian as an example

[astral dagger]

It is when your in an elo where no one knows how to play the game

Aka gold to low plat

[frank compass]

Fabian actually doesnt have bad aim (by siege standards)

like hes a mechanically solid player

[analog halo]

Compared to the rest

[frank compass]

compared to most support players

he has solid mechanics

[astral dagger]

They look like they have bad aim but they always get the kill no? Its becuase they have very good crosshair placement and comms

[frank compass]

positioning

is teh biggest

[astral dagger]

Usually in top level comp positioning doesn't matter as much rather coordination and crossfire

Everyone knows where everyone is

[frank compass]

crossfire

so positioning

[astral dagger]

By positioning I think you mean playing the off angle

[frank compass]

not what I meant

but I can see how one assumes that

[astral dagger]

Or placing yourself where the enemy walks into your crosshair

Won't happen very often, but it will depending on what skill level you play at

[frank compass]

setting up crossfires are a part of being able to position yourself well

how you position yourself in clutch situations

[analog halo]

Place yourself where the enemy won't suspect you to be. -Some guy some where

[frank compass]

is the easiest way to tell

how good a player is

individually

I mean it can be a common spot as long as it puts you in an advantage during a gunfight

[astral dagger]

I might take out paint for some of my examples

I'm not sure it will fit though but it's a lot to explain in an easy way

[frank compass]

i think you might be getting too specific

when you need to break of paint

[astral dagger]

I'm doing roaming tommorow and outside of the "stop the attacker off site" most of people who play siege don't know how to roam

[analog halo]

You guys want to add anything to my crosshair placement portion of it?

[frank compass]

Ill read it

[raw fox]

yep

[analog halo]

aight

[astral dagger]

I'll have a look

most ppl dont know

how to waste attackers time as roamers

they pick unnecessary fights

[frank compass]

I put Remorce's video from like 5 years ago

[astral dagger]

thinking its what they should do

[frank compass]

for roaming

idk if it was deleted

but its genuinely the best roaming guide

someones made in 5 years

lmao

[astral dagger]

mate of me is best jager player i have ever seen

[analog halo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWnt_F-0a_s

[astral dagger]

doesnt make a ton of kills

[frank compass]

its a good video

[analog halo]

This one?

[frank compass]

yea

[astral dagger]

but 5 attackers chase him for 2 minutes

[normal bloom]

@lime wyvern bo2 plutonium or steam?

[raw fox]

crosshair placement is more forgiving in this game over stand-shoot titles like CS, Valorant. its suggested to aim at chin height and not forehead height bc

1. it allows more time for a player to react to crouch peeking and have time to still get the headshot or adjust to crouch height(just like how you would track the tail end of someone's movement when tracking(give you more time to react to momentum shifts and movement shifts)
2. and if you hit the chest and miss the head by a sliver, the recoil will automatically adjust to nose height if the recoil is controlled somewhat decently

consider an ash swinging on whitestairs hall in kafe from the plywood stack, she crouches as soon as she hits the wood stack, since you are pre aiming at chin and she is beginning to crouch you have more time to react compared to aiming at forehead height .

[analog halo]

Fair point!

[frank compass]

nice one mr buckshot

buck just @ me when youre done

Ill copy paste it

so it doesnt fuck up the font

[raw fox]

tracking training is woefully underrated

[frank compass]

but tracking is pain

[raw fox]

well get over it

eat ur vitamins

learn tracking

use a fleshlight or som

[frank compass]

[vivid jolt]

Whoever tf John Doe is, DM me your email so you can contribute.

[raw fox]

thats me

no one need to know my name

[vivid jolt]

Oh.

[raw fox]

yeah.

[vivid jolt]

You can just make an alt if you want.

[raw fox]

that is my alt

[vivid jolt]

Wait that is an alt.

Then DM me, headass.

[frank compass]

Toast smart

also

for any of you who care about competitive siege

https://twitter.com/HyenaR6/status/1250163169441579008?s=20

LG Hyena (@HyenaR6)

Fuck an NDA, parents didn't raise me like that !!

Read: https://t.co/HR8cJm0fZO

Retweets

610

Likes

2154

Twitter

read the twitlong 🙂

[surreal cosmos]

wtf

[frank compass]

🙂

I dont think I can say anything more but that emoji

because I dont know what has/hasn't been leaked

but like

holy shit

🙂

[astral dagger]

I just did anchoring

On my phone

If anyone has any suggestions just @ me

[surreal cosmos]

link to pic?

also, the 2nd half of doc has completely different font and color

[frank compass]

pain

[surreal cosmos]

is this gunna be posted on reddit soon

[frank compass]

prob not

also the font looks the same to me?

[vivid jolt]

Minidin a grinder.

Insane.

[raw fox]

Toast did you give me access yet

[vivid jolt]

Yes.

30sec after you DMed me.

[normal bloom]

toast playing siege

[frank compass]

I dont know if Valk is an anchor

so Im not sure if that should be under anchor tips

[vivid jolt]

AHAH thanks 420.

[normal bloom]

does valk sit on cams?

[frank compass]

Can we not have a spawn peeking section

it's a horrible habit

@normal bloom typically not for extended durations of time in comp

[normal bloom]

valk could roam if someone else watched cams imo

[frank compass]

She usually does

[astral dagger]

Valk can play any role in this game

But she is best as an anchor

[frank compass]

mmmmmmmmm

in Year 1

yea

[astral dagger]

It's whoever watches the cams

[frank compass]

Which is usually your smoke and maestro

[astral dagger]

But smoke and maestro don't know where the cams are gonna be placed without strats

If you want good info and you want to anchor pick valk

[frank compass]

I mean she isnt best as an anchor

but I cant really argue unstructured

because I rarely play in fully unstructured environments

[astral dagger]

As I said she can play any role on defense

But using her cams to roam is a waste of her utility

[frank compass]

using her cams on site

is a waste of utility

using her cams to help yourself roam or to provide pushing opportunities

[astral dagger]

Not always, but you use them in between

[frank compass]

is the best use of her utility

She is one of the most self sufficient ops in the game

which makes her a good roamer

[astral dagger]

It's my opinion that unless your in a comp team who has their shit down using valk to roam is a bad habit. Any operator with a gun can roam, but taking useful utilities away from site to narnia where they won't be useful during or before execute is a bad idea. Sparing one or two cams for your roamers can be fine as long as your anchors are watching and coordinating your roamers

But it won't happen in anything outside of comp

[frank compass]

but in comp you always have maestro or echo for site info

[astral dagger]

If you're in comp you probably wouldn't be reading this guide for the basics

[frank compass]

whats the point of using valk for intel in ranked

if you throw all your cams on site/right outside of site

and you cant capitalize on any info until the last 20 secs of the round

?

[astral dagger]

No you can put your cams wherever they would be useful

Which is subjective and also situational

[frank compass]

which usually involves putting them in places which assist the roamers

because theyre the ones who will be at the massive info gap

compared to atks with drones

[astral dagger]

Why does valk have to roam if she wants her cams to be off site?

[frank compass]

she doesnt but she works better as a roamer

like its better to put your cams on roam, and then be able to quickly check them then get off so you can capitalize on the information

which you are allowed to do on most maps

[astral dagger]

Any operator with a gun can roam, her nitro cell is of more use in site on most esl maps

[frank compass]

depends

on the site

heavily

[astral dagger]

And roamers should check cams

Shouldn't *

[frank compass]

disagree

[stuck panther]

how do i get the aim role?

[frank compass]

depending on map

s-benchmarks

[woven tundra]

Want to increase your skill rank? :mortar_board:

Check out our benchmarks: http://bit.ly/2PdgZlm
Graduate here: http://bit.ly/2NvOVqY

[frank compass]

@stuck panther ^

[stuck panther]

site players should check cams for roamers

that allows for affective play

[frank compass]

effective

[stuck panther]

sorry

[astral dagger]

From my experiences roamers never go on cams, all their info is from comms

[stuck panther]

^

[frank compass]

also I agree but if the argument mini has is that this info is for people who are going to not be playing coordinated

[stuck panther]

by spending time on cams you have to get off the cams and then make a play which then information expires

[frank compass]

then it doesnt lead aanywhere

not really

it heavily depends on map

and how effective you are

[stuck panther]

nah

[frank compass]

theres a reason that the last 2 years valk was in meta she was a roamer

and not an anchor

[stuck panther]

it's the site players job in a coordinated five stack

[frank compass]

no shit

[stuck panther]

???

so whats the question?

[astral dagger]

Checking cams as a roamer is a bad habit imo

[frank compass]

depends on map

position

etc

but this argument isnt going anywhere

[astral dagger]

Whoever is off site is the roamer, whoever is in site is the anchor, valkyrie is an important operator for or as an anchor

Idk what the question is

[frank compass]

there isnt a question

[astral dagger]

[frank compass]

there is a disagreement on the best use case for an operator

which boils down to fundamental thinking behind the game

its not worth having

[astral dagger]

The best use is whatever would be useful

I already said that

[frank compass]

I had this same discussion about a similar op a week ago with a teammate

[normal bloom]

for the doc just put flex

[frank compass]

Doc is flex

very much

[normal bloom]

document

[frank compass]

oh

[raw fox]

finished up the teamplay section based on my friends complaining about performances in league matches

[normal bloom]

mb

[raw fox]

could use some more input

[frank compass]

Ill read it

[astral dagger]

What league you play in?

I wonder if our leagues are similar

[frank compass]

buck whats the section called?

[raw fox]

my friends play ESASiege

teamplay/coordination

[frank compass]

what level?

or which team specifically

[raw fox]

t3 at the most with some t2 sprinked about

i think

[frank compass]

ESA is T4

with some T3

T2 is CL

T1 is PL

T3 is EPS

[astral dagger]

Over here we have lpl open, lpl amateur, lpl pro league and esl Pro league

[frank compass]

for NA

[astral dagger]

Esl CL doesn't exist anymore

[raw fox]

hm

[frank compass]

Well

the teams that were in CL

[raw fox]

CL is gone

[frank compass]

and the teams that will be the feeder league

is what T2 will be

[raw fox]

meme leagues

[frank compass]

T3 is ESA Invite, EPS, (should be) CCS

[astral dagger]

I'm in lpl pro which is like esl CL but streamed out of someone's basement

[stuck panther]

EPS is canceled now

[frank compass]

I know

the teams that were in EPS

were T3 for NA

the leagues in NA really fucking blow right now

[raw fox]

ImP played CL Open quals but couldnt make it to closed

[astral dagger]

CL is a meme in my region

[raw fox]

no shit

the apac scene looks super lackluster due to geography/ping

[stuck panther]

eu cl has big orgs + streams on main channels and na cl has no big orgs and second hand casters are in charge of streaming the games

[coarse vale]

GG @stuck panther, you just advanced to level 2 !

[stuck panther]

it sucks

[frank compass]

yea thats a good write up Buck

[raw fox]

somehow we gets to have fishoguy bless this discord with his presence

lucky us

[astral dagger]

Apac is a joke up until the top 2 u18 teams and the top 4 esl CL teams

And the bottom 2 esl pl teams kind of stink but I still love em

Sinister is a strange team I'm not sure if they are trying sometimes in lpl pro

Gets a bit close with teams I know aren't very good

I guess lpl pro is a joke to them though

[stuck panther]

is there an r6 aim routine in here?

[frank compass]

theres one in pins

well

they are more like suggested routines

[stuck panther]

i saw those just wondering if someone has a clear cut routine

[frank compass]

I do

[stuck panther]

would you like to share?

[frank compass]

speed training

[stuck panther]

ah

[frank compass]

target switching

click timing

small

[stuck panther]

ty

[frank compass]

tracking and smoothness every other week

sparky diamond routine every wed/sat/sun

[stuck panther]

where can i find the sparky master routine?

[frank compass]

s-routines

[woven tundra]

Routines: https://bit.ly/33DQKbo

[stuck panther]

ty

[frank compass]

you should run the sparky routine that is at your level

so run the benchmarks

and see where you fall

then run the corresponding skill routine

[stuck panther]

ok cool

i ran click timing and got gold level

ill run tracking later

and the other type

[frank compass]

click/ts are more important for low ttk games

like siege

tracking is good tho

Buckshot says its underrated for siege players

I agree with his reasoning

[stuck panther]

i play comp siege and wanna perfect my aim

t4/t3

nothing huge

[frank compass]

that should be the last thing you should focus on

[stuck panther]

i know

[frank compass]

if you want to get better at comp siege

[stuck panther]

i already watch pro league and self vod review

to improve

team prac etc

just feel like aim is my weakness

[frank compass]

what role

do you play?

because if it isnt entry/roam

it is more likely it is your positioning/play making that is your bigger weakness

[astral dagger]

my girl and me got into the biggest fight

[velvet fern]

https://streamable.com/ba3cnz

https://streamable.com/nhr69r

[frank compass]

what the fuuuck

[surreal cosmos]

first of what

Why track because usually i barely track siege players

[raw fox]

recoil control, better preaiming when going around corners, 5 speed ash mains swinging at the speed of light, shooting c4s out of the air

i could give more but thats the jist

[frank compass]

also tracking is best way to improve general mouse control

[raw fox]

^

[frank compass]

or at least it is the fastest

like its actually insane

how close I am to my peak again once I started doing smoothness+tracking

now all I need is a good afps to play :>

[raw fox]

people call me crazy for saying that tracking is usefull for all games

[frank compass]

like I can see why

people would be skeptical

[raw fox]

no one is ever gonna stand still

[frank compass]

for tracking in low ttk shooters that are heavily influenced by positioning

but its so useful

also (personally) getting a HS on tracking scens is so much more satisfying than beating a HS on ts/click

[raw fox]

you get to see big numbers when hs tracking

never have to worry about whiffing on drones ever again

fuck that echo drone

[frank compass]

fuck echo drones

[astral dagger]

I've got decent aim when I focus

But when I lose focus my aim goes to beyond shit

[raw fox]

mhm

[astral dagger]

And I have a hard time focusing

[raw fox]

thats why an emergency tactical timeout inbetween queues is hella useful

sedate ur mind

and regret watching that weird shit

and feel bad for a min

[astral dagger]

Nah I mean like I forget to pay attention to what I'm looking at on the screen every now and then

[frank compass]

yea

tends to happen when you hold an angle for longer than 15 seconds

[raw fox]

still, but getting up to lie down on the floor helps

once u gets slapped of course

slamming ur desk makes it worse

[astral dagger]

Also losing focus makes you do stupid things

[raw fox]

mhm

[frank compass]

i slam often

laying down on floor

sounds like good idea

[raw fox]

i slam meat over slamming the desk

[vivid jolt]

Ayo.

[astral dagger]

When you lose focus peeking something you shouldn't doesn't feel like a big deal until you get rekt

[raw fox]

having a therapy stuffed penguin is cool too

[vivid jolt]

There's a trick to keeping focus when watching an area/angle.

By just flicking your crosshair quickly every few seconds.

Learned that forever ago from some CS pros.

[frank compass]

I learned that from a halo pro

[astral dagger]

Stewie2k does that

[frank compass]

"recalibrating your xhair"

it helps a lot I just forget to do it outside of thunt

[astral dagger]

I never do those kinds of things becuase I despise flashy aim I guess I'm boring

[frank compass]

yea

same

also I usually dont have issue holding an angle

for extended amount of time

[astral dagger]

It's more like in the middle of a spray or prefire you kind of forget what you're supposed to be aiming at

Happens a lot with me I think it's just a problem specific to me

[raw fox]

tracking helps 🙂

cant lose focus when ur a track god

[astral dagger]

Valorant would be so much more hype if it didn't have movement inaccuracies

[raw fox]

im used to them

[frank compass]

yea

100% mini

[raw fox]

mostly because i got persuaded to play mm

[frank compass]

movement inaccuracy makes games boring

I want Titanfall 3

:>

preferably it doesnt die after 3 months

[astral dagger]

I'd be playing quake right now if it didn't have 5 concurrent players world wide

[frank compass]

yeyeyeyeye

takes 12mins to queue a game

if you even get one

none of my friends will duel me

[astral dagger]

For me it's like half an hour

[frank compass]

netcode also pretty bad

:DDDD

dbt soonTM

[astral dagger]

Quake live has a few CA servers though

[frank compass]

I dont have QL :<

pain

could prob get games on it tho

[astral dagger]

I hope I like valorant becuase it will probably be my main comp game since I forsee the comp future of my region to suck balls

For r6

[frank compass]

i foresee all future r6 comp to suck balls

[raw fox]

all maps are going to inevitably suck dick

[frank compass]

for siege?

the meta is going to progressively get worse and worse

until there are no more gunfights in the game

Im slightly exaggerating

[surreal cosmos]

20s meta?

more like 3s meta

im predicting the future, ping me in 2 years

[astral dagger]

I'm just a bit tired of the small skill gap between the worst and the best players

What's the 20s meta thing? I haven't been watching comp since SI

[surreal cosmos]

i want siege to be adaptable and not seeing ops that can be played every single damn time

[coarse vale]

GG @surreal cosmos, you just advanced to level 5 !

[surreal cosmos]

its some tweet by some pro saying how defenders have so much utility that by the time they clear it, theres 20s to push site

[astral dagger]

That's been the case for years

[surreal cosmos]

goyo -3 shields. probably 10s each. so 30s per shield. add wamais. now u gotta burn the wamai/ads

well yeah

but maestro goyo valk cams, bulletproof cams, 3 pests and 4 jammers

[astral dagger]

Attackers shouldn't have more than 30-40 seconds to prepare an execute

[surreal cosmos]

theyre calling for zofia/ash buff. instead of 2 explosive they get 3-4

[astral dagger]

Being able to hold crossfire and do vertical on site for a minute is either round is too long or roamers are throwing

[surreal cosmos]

yeah they should add more time

they also need to nerf being forced to go x op everytime

at least ubi is adding mini exo charge

now we're not forced to thermite hibana thatcher on bank.

[astral dagger]

What R6 needs right now is a counter to mute mozzie

That shit made me quit comp

[surreal cosmos]

mute should only jam x # of things

[frank compass]

I mean the sad thing is

[surreal cosmos]

mozzie has 3 but what if u could take ur drone and remove the pest?

[frank compass]

the skill gap between like plat 3 and plat 2 players is massive

[surreal cosmos]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[frank compass]

while the skill gap between silvers and plat 3

is minute

if even noticeable 99% of the time

[surreal cosmos]

plat 3 = carried by aim

[frank compass]

and ubi keeps trying to make the top 10% skill gap even smaller

[astral dagger]

It's very frustrating as a support player to not be able to drone anything and then get flamed by the entries when they get rekt by face checking

[surreal cosmos]

plat 2 = teamwork, coordination, etc

[frank compass]

than it already is

playign the game rn as any hard support role is fucking infuriating

[astral dagger]

And then you have to clutch the round by doing a hard breach yourself and also watching your own back for flank

[surreal cosmos]

so nerfs/buff ideas to have a conversation?

[frank compass]

playing the game as a roamer/entry is aids

because of the utility that exists

and being a flex player isnt enjoyable because that position is inherently super inconsistent

[surreal cosmos]

imo the mini exo charges shouldnt be affected by bandit/kaid

[frank compass]

like the game isnt fun to play at a high lvl because of the meta and ops that exist

the game isnt fun at a lower level because half the players are fucking terrible

[surreal cosmos]

mute should only mute 2-3 things each. so if a drone comes and a thermite charge comes, the next drone can go past

[frank compass]

I think Mute should go to 3 jammers

Mozzie to 2 pests

Echo and Maestro to 1 cam

[surreal cosmos]

ill rather have 2 pests, atk can remove pest, but keep shortie

[frank compass]

wamai should have smaller radius

yes

100%

[surreal cosmos]

mute should have 3 jammer or limit stuff

[astral dagger]

It's very unfun, comp being unfun as well as ubi making it impossible for me to progress into T1 becuase they axed CL quals which I was just about to play kinda sucks

[frank compass]

Mozzie should keep shotgun

Yea yea

[surreal cosmos]

maestro should be able to be destroyed more easily

[frank compass]

I was gonna turn 18 next month

but guess what

fucking

cant do CL quals in summer anymore

because CL is cancelled

[normal bloom]

yo anyone else cringe with seeing foot level trackers?

[frank compass]

fucking awesome

[surreal cosmos]

ikr

[frank compass]

huh

wdym @normal bloom

[surreal cosmos]

siege was supposed to be realistic combat scene

now we're seeing alibi and lions

[astral dagger]

I had a team that would have placed top 2 CL quals no cap

[surreal cosmos]

and foot sniffer people

[normal bloom]

some quake people lg at the knees

[frank compass]

OH

yea

its easier

not really

but like its a habit

a lot of pros have

[normal bloom]

maybe to predict movement

[frank compass]

yea

thats why

you see the direction change faster

in the feet/legs

than the torso

[normal bloom]

yeah

[surreal cosmos]

All movement in the game should be same speed, except when sprinting

[normal bloom]

wish there was a hs multiplier

[surreal cosmos]

this basically removes peekers advantage

combined with extended ADS time or something

[normal bloom]

lol i cant remember if ads strafing is slower than hip

[surreal cosmos]

Shields should also just be removed or be reworked in a way to make them viable

[astral dagger]

Yeah attacking is pretty a chore for anyone who isn't flex, no drones for entry, no entry for flank watch, no drones for site, 20 seconds to rush in and hope for a plant or frag out

[frank compass]

yep

[astral dagger]

Unless a site has a direct approach like cctv club

It's pretty shit

[frank compass]

club is one of the few maps

thats still fun to play

for the most part

and even then

its so easy to meta abuse

[normal bloom]

plane pl when

[astral dagger]

When my team see someone go armory on club we just rush dirt and kitchen and go for a fast plant

[frank compass]

yea

[astral dagger]

Becuase it's impossible to expend all the utility the normal way

[surreal cosmos]

until u see 3 ads, mute jammers and 3 goyo at dirt

[frank compass]

thats my fav execute

for that

[surreal cosmos]

clearing dirt would probably take 2 minutes if some1 is playing dirt as well

[astral dagger]

Most defenders underestimate dirt and usually just have a smoke play there with 1 ads

[surreal cosmos]

even if it was 1 mute, 3 goyo and 1 ads, itll be a pain to clear

[astral dagger]

Which is just a flash bang and someone on kitchen hatch watching the rotate

[surreal cosmos]

imo nobody pushes dirt anymore

[astral dagger]

Then you can have someone late push oil or blue when roamers rotate back

[surreal cosmos]

i literally just have 1 dirt, 2 blue and 2 kitchen for my team

[astral dagger]

But clearing top down in this meta is impossible for pretty much every map

[surreal cosmos]

crossfires for life

yeah. they really need to remove 1 mute jammer/limit them, and 2 mozzie

[astral dagger]

Vigil, mute, mozzie, goyo and maestro

[surreal cosmos]

maestro shouldnt even be able to shoot out drones, as minor as that

[frank compass]

I think remove

is better than limit

[surreal cosmos]

yeah limit is wonky

[frank compass]

mostly due to coding

yea

[astral dagger]

Literally all they needed to do was make twitch drone immune to jamming and hacking

So simple

Meta denied

[frank compass]

maestro cams should do 1 damage

[astral dagger]

Twitch useful again

[frank compass]

drones should have 10 health

ez fix

[night radish]

montange meta

[surreal cosmos]

or maestro do 10% dmg (5dmg right now so 0.5) and drones have 1.5hp lmao

[frank compass]

wouldve made twitch a must pick tho

[surreal cosmos]

hm

[astral dagger]

Yes but at least no shitty meta

[frank compass]

I mean

unless ur twitch dies

or sucks

or gets unlucky

[surreal cosmos]

ash/zofia should get + explosives along others

[astral dagger]

Twitch hard support mode

[frank compass]

LMAO

so Y1S3 all over again?

[astral dagger]

Love playing a game where rushing is a more legit strat than playing the game properly

Very epic

[normal bloom]

are top down clears even a thing anymore?

[astral dagger]

Yeah but they suck

[frank compass]

Kafe

Border

Consulate

other maps I cant think of the names for

Villa

[normal bloom]

even with moz mute combo?

[frank compass]

yes

mute/mozzie isnt that prevalent off of club

you usually see 1

not both

[astral dagger]

Mute mozzie vigil now you can't clear for 2 minutes and use all your utility

[normal bloom]

ah

[frank compass]

Vigil super rare outside of like Consulate

Border too maybe

Coast

but Coast is a shit show

[night radish]

coast defense is aids

[astral dagger]

Run vigil becuase the attackers will never get to nading anchors anyways

[normal bloom]

what if coast skylight was deleted

[astral dagger]

Coast defense is legit

[frank compass]

Coast defense sucks

[astral dagger]

It's a 50/50

[frank compass]

Coast attack sucks

its an awful map

[astral dagger]

I like Coast

[frank compass]

you are one of the few

[astral dagger]

It all comes down to map control

[frank compass]

not really

[normal bloom]

i like getting decent frames

[frank compass]

every site can be attacked from ext only

and you need skylight control

[normal bloom]

kafe fries my pc

[astral dagger]

Yes really I can explain every site and what control you have as a defender gives you the win

[frank compass]

Kafe runs horribly

Coastline is bad

bad map

very unfun and stale

the only good thing about Coast

is that its the hardest map to bring utility meta on

[astral dagger]

I like it because it's easy for me to play I guess

[frank compass]

because its the easiest to clear utility on

which is why Goyo has a pretty low pick rate on it

relative to other maps

Mute/Mozzie super common on it tho

[astral dagger]

Easy to drone, easy to know the attackers plan, easy to know the defenders strat, easy to know what to clear and what to leave.

[frank compass]

yea

those are all true

but its just not a good map

because of the exteriors

and the skylight

[astral dagger]

You'd be surprised how many players clap you on the skylight from vase or vip

[frank compass]

never happened to me

but im also usually not the one holding skylight

[astral dagger]

You usually don't really hold skylight

Unless you use your hibana to open quad which you shouldnt do

[frank compass]

certain teams do

[astral dagger]

It's better to send buck into blue bar to clear drinks and have hibana take vip wall

[frank compass]

Aqua pushes are better

taking VIP is kinda a hassle

[astral dagger]

Why does shouldn't keep autocorrecting to should

Really fucking up what I'm saying

[frank compass]

phone bad

[normal bloom]

was fortress in the map pool?

[astral dagger]

Taking vip/pent is very easy actually

And it stops any aggression on the aqua plant

[frank compass]

depends

on how teams set up

if they set up like SSG

no

then your best bet is clearing underneath and pushing Cool Vibes, Hookah Balcony, and Big window

[astral dagger]

Never played ssg but I've played everything from shitty go4 teams to pl teams many times and vip/pent is the way to go if you want to do an aqua plant

You can't push cool vibes from below too risky imo

[frank compass]

Usually for aqua plants I see more Pent - Theatre - Aqua

[normal bloom]

is oregon remake good?

[frank compass]

kinda ignore VIP

its ok

its better than Theme park

and Coastline

Theme park is a shit show

not that bad to play in comp tho

[normal bloom]

runs like shit too

[frank compass]

theres def some interesting strats for theme

its super atk sided tho

[astral dagger]

Vip wall stops the drinks player from moving, stops the vase player from rotating and also allows for a quick rotate to hookah window to catch any player on hookah rotate

But usually buck is sent below to clear drinks so vip isn't very important

It's just easy to take so why not

[frank compass]

I mean I usually see more Big window that VIP

it does the same thing

essentially

[astral dagger]

Big windows comes after vip

[frank compass]

its hard to extend that many players

theres little refrag potential when you do that

Also Hib gets banned a lot in NA

like a lot a lot

[astral dagger]

Usually 1 player stays vip, theatre player rotates aqua, rest go for big window, blue bar and plant

Vip just adds extra pressure on vase and drinks

Just bring mav lol

So many times the drinks player over extends and gets caught

[frank compass]

Ive never seen mav on coastline

in scrims

i guess hes viable now

cause nades

[astral dagger]

Becuase people don't ban hard breachers on coast

[frank compass]

people ban hibana

:D

[astral dagger]

Then why wouldn't they bring mav for vip

[frank compass]

idk ANZ meta

because Mav is slow

and before he had nades

you had other ops

the majority of team comps were

[normal bloom]

are vip walls reinforced on billiards?

[astral dagger]

Yes

[frank compass]

Jackal/Dokk/Lion, Cap/Thatcher, Nomad, Buck, IQ/Zofia/Ash

its hard to get a HB into that lineup

[astral dagger]

Usually I see buck, sledge, iq, hibana, and whatever the flex wants since thatcher is a common ban in anz

Usually gridlock

Since nomad is kind of buggy

[frank compass]

wdym ?

buggy

[astral dagger]

Her nomad traps don't always work

So she isn't consistent in comp

[frank compass]

shes like 60% pickrate

[astral dagger]

I've had people flank me on stairs, kill me and then get airjabbed

[frank compass]

shes super common on Coast and Kafe in NA

[astral dagger]

Or people jump out windows and kill be and then get airjabbed

[normal bloom]

lol

same with claymores

[frank compass]

shes banned often on Consulate

I wouldnt say shes buggy

id say she very rarely fails to work

[astral dagger]

My team usually bans her all the time

[frank compass]

well

thats prob why you dont see her

most bans on coast i see are Lion/Hibana

[astral dagger]

Only time we don't ban is if we have to play consul attack becuase that map sucks

[frank compass]

because Coast is rotate heavy

and Lion is very good on that map

[normal bloom]

is blitz played?

[frank compass]

no

[astral dagger]

I've not seen a lion ban since ever

If monty is banned I play blitz on bank

But outside of that no

[frank compass]

Bank isnt in comp anymore

[astral dagger]

Ik

[frank compass]

and shield takes are always iffy

and require a good shield player

which most teams lack

[normal bloom]

probably ban shields if going against a good one

[astral dagger]

99% of siege players suck ass at shield and just blame it for being buggy, which it is and can be but usually they just suck

[frank compass]

Villa and Border are the only maps that really still facilitate shield pushes

but theres too much utility

so you cant bring them in a lineup

[astral dagger]

Guess what with tachanka coming we get even more plant denial

[frank compass]

just in time for the inevitable Maestro/Echo nerfs and the Lord elite skin!!!!

that way hes a 100% pick/ban rate!!!

[astral dagger]

Smoke, maestro, echo, goyo, tachanka meta

No plants for half an hour

Ela could be a legit plant denial if her stun mines could blow up mid air when in proximity of attackers

[normal bloom]

siege will die

[astral dagger]

To stun the planter

[frank compass]

she was good on oregon for that

[astral dagger]

@vivid jolt you like that?

[frank compass]

old oregon

[astral dagger]

@astral dagger if they ever do anything close

we got an issue

I wish ela blew up like a suicide bomber when she uses her stun in dbno

[normal bloom]

i wish ela got her og scorpion back

[astral dagger]

Arms and legs all over the place

[vivid jolt]

Which?

[plucky spoke]

lmfao

[coarse vale]

GG @plucky spoke, you just advanced to level 2 !

[plucky spoke]

give kapkan his traps to detonate in dbno

[vivid jolt]

Okay minidin is banned from the advice sheet.

[normal bloom]

hahahah

[astral dagger]

I'm so terrible at ideas ubisoft should hire me as executive balancer right away

[plucky spoke]

look at what they did to the tcsg

[frank compass]

LOL

TCSG nerf was unwarranted

[plucky spoke]

also how do you practice recoil control

[frank compass]

Im actually pissed about that

you play thunt

[astral dagger]

What did they do to my favorite gun??

[plucky spoke]

are you serious

[frank compass]

55 dmg

[plucky spoke]

57 now

[frank compass]

oh my bad

84 > 57 dmg

[plucky spoke]

still terrible

[astral dagger]

[plucky spoke]

it wasnt even op

[astral dagger]

It was

[frank compass]

after they obliterated its destruction potential last patch

it wasnt OP

[astral dagger]

And I'm a tcsg main

[plucky spoke]

literally its a high recoil dmr with punishing damage falloff

[frank compass]

it rewarded good aim

more than most guns

[astral dagger]

It has no recoil

[plucky spoke]

???????

[frank compass]

TCSG has no recoil

[plucky spoke]

I remember it kicking pretty hard

[frank compass]

I was a Goyo/Kaid for the most part on the last team I played for

no its very easy to control

[astral dagger]

The gun was broken trust me its my most used gun in seige probably lol

[frank compass]

i dont think its op

I thought it was very strong

[vivid jolt]

For the damage it does it has negligible recoil.

[frank compass]

I think 65 damage

would be the better nerf

[astral dagger]

I do, I was able to challenge any attacker at range WITH acog

[frank compass]

yea

and?

I dont see the problem

it was fun

[astral dagger]

But it's op

[frank compass]

and I rarely got slapped by it

[astral dagger]

Yeah well that's a you thing I guess

[frank compass]

I dont actually have an argument here

other than I liked using it

I do think 65 damage

wouldve been the ideal nerf

rather than 57

[astral dagger]

Idk I will see how it is whenever I play R6 next

[frank compass]

patch isnt out yet

should be next season

[astral dagger]

If it sucks ass really bad it's no big deal the vector is still plenty good

[frank compass]

along w jager 2/2

vector will probbe the play on goyo

[astral dagger]

Jager 2/2 won't change anything

[frank compass]

aug might make a debut on kaid

im aware

its a pointless change

[plucky spoke]

aug is pretty decent now

[frank compass]

does quite literally nothing to the op

[plucky spoke]

its a laser

[astral dagger]

Crying redditors and brain dead balancers

Very fun

[frank compass]

everything is a laser

[astral dagger]

[frank compass]

smg11 is a laser this patch

[plucky spoke]

???

[normal bloom]

no

[frank compass]

yes

[plucky spoke]

How is smg11 a laser

[frank compass]

its easy

as fuck

to use

[normal bloom]

old recoil smg11 was

[frank compass]

no this patch

has no recoil

[normal bloom]

eh

[astral dagger]

I used to really like the smg11 before they made it all rng recoil

[frank compass]

its not rng this patch

[normal bloom]

^

[frank compass]

its like straight vertical

[astral dagger]

It's recoil isn't that bad but it's inconsistent

[frank compass]

with flash

meh

not for first 10 shots

which is ur average burst

like I would go do smg sprays in thunt

[astral dagger]

Ah I'm a magdump person

[frank compass]

to prove it has no recoil

but Im lazy

and that takes effort

I play a lot of smoke

[astral dagger]

It doesn't have recoil but it has recoil compared to every other gun in r6

ye smg 11 is rly good most of the time

[frank compass]

tcsg and smg11 are my most used def guns

[astral dagger]

it has some wierd rng moments sometimes

[frank compass]

past 6 months

[astral dagger]

but for most part its a laser

[frank compass]

yea

i agree w hurls

recoil in siege is easy

aside from scorpion

and bearing

bearing is hot ass

and smg12

but no one uses that anymore

[astral dagger]

I used to be good with it but I suck with the smg11 now

smg12 is just out of the game

I can only body spray people

[frank compass]

CZ is superior

[astral dagger]

sgm12 is just useless

I can use the smg12

the cz could do even less dmg and would be superior

i can also use it

in the situations it is viable in

[frank compass]

smg12 is literally RNG

[astral dagger]

It's better than what it was

[frank compass]

like theres no pattern

[astral dagger]

Defence f2

[frank compass]

its just ZVZV

thats the best I can do for the pattern

on a keyboard

[astral dagger]

WWWWWWW

[frank compass]

yea

maybe

Z

Y

that

[astral dagger]

actually more like

XYZXZYXZYZXZYXZYZXYZXZYZXYZXZYZXY

[frank compass]

LMAO

[astral dagger]

thats smg12 pattern

basically

[frank compass]

Z

X

Y

that

starting at the Y base

[astral dagger]

ye

Z
X
Y

recoil pattern

[frank compass]

and the straight part is only like

3 shots

[astral dagger]

damn aljo

we good at explaining

[normal bloom]

there was a point where i ran pistol on hib before i discovered comp on the bearing

[frank compass]

Yea

I cant use pistols

the irons always fuck me

[normal bloom]

same

[astral dagger]

Bearing is similar to smg11 in short bursts

just wing it

[frank compass]

I always feel like Im having a stroke

when using pistols

asides from the 57

[astral dagger]

i feel like i have a stroke using bering

[frank compass]

bearing comp is pretty straight

[raw fox]

i went to go wash my mosue pad and now i have 314 unreads

[frank compass]

for first 10

[normal bloom]

red dot pistols are good

[frank compass]

LOLOL

[astral dagger]

the panic moment when your acog mp5 on echo has no ammo and u wip out a bering on range

[frank compass]

very @normal bloom

[raw fox]

fuck you guys

[frank compass]

Buck