ptb-discussion

[snow tusk]

That’s why you can activate moment of glory right after full heals unhook with Wicked

Killer can hit you twice in basement as you get the chest

[shut inlet]

[shut inlet]

If they even notice you unhooked

[snow tusk]

Don’t mind me as I open this chest and you hit me two times as I do it

[snow tusk]

You unhook in front of them

And you have dh to get out of basement

[shut inlet]

Chest takes a bit too long to open ngl

[snow tusk]

Not with a key

[shut inlet]

Plus you have to mend before you can use endurance from dh again

[snow tusk]

Nope you can dh while deep wounded

[shut inlet]

90% sure you cant

[quasi thistle]

gets smacked by a killer
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gets smacked by a killer
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gets smacked by a killer
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gets smacked by a killer
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gets smacked by a killer
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Finally downed
OMG TUNNELING IS SO UNFAR

[snow tusk]

100% you can
Edit: it’ll just won’t do anything : )

[shut inlet]

No way

[snow tusk]

<@&253635077693505536> you can DH while in deep wound right?

[shut inlet]

I need some video proof

[snow tusk]

Test it yourself

[shut inlet]

Or overwhelming majority

[shut inlet]

Cannot rn

Don't have a friend to test with and I'm busy anyways

[barren viper]

Yes, but it doesn't do anything.

It gives you endurance, but endurance has no effect while you're in deep wounds.

[snow tusk]

Well tbf if full health and hook protection isn’t enough for you to open chest with key and dip

That’s kinda sad

@barren viper double checking but I’m absolutely certain

[barren viper]

Conspicuous Actions:
• Repairing a generator
• Healing yourself or others
• Unhooking others
• Sabotaging a hook
• Cleansing or Blessing a totem
• Opening an exit gate

[snow tusk]

So a chest isn’t on the list

[barren viper]

Correct

[snow tusk]

Oh my moment of glory activation is so worth getting stabbed twice in basement

[granite vessel]

did the ptb end?

[snow tusk]

No

[granite vessel]

weird it wont let me get back on the ptb

[dusty edge]

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[snow tusk]

wait if you have a duo or trio that comes for a flashlight/flashbang save it could take 6 M1 hits to hook you…….

Cuz jumping off killer shoulder is a way to remove deep wound

[round abyss]

is Claudette’s rift set still bugged? (Missing head piece)

[shut inlet]

I'm like 90% sure they intentionally left it out since they couldn't figure out how to fit it in properly (conspiracy theory)

But yeah since the entire rift pass is full there's no slot for Claudette's hair and we likely won't get it until after the rift is over

[round abyss]

Yup i was informed it’s coming early 2026 :((

[icy summit]

yeah :(

[shut inlet]

Which is why I feel it was a side effect of them restructuring the rift pass to have less skins

They didn't have enough room to put Claudette's hair in without it being weird ig

[icy summit]

They said the reason was that they weren't happy with it or something.

[shut inlet]

Idk

It feels odd and off that specifically the hair is just gone

[granite vessel]

So is the ptb done or is there something up with my steam

[icy summit]

It ended today

[granite vessel]

No more pinhead for me

[icy summit]

We can only hope his license get renewed 💔

[shut inlet]

We can only hope

Though tbh trying him out in the ptb was miserable

[icy summit]

The PTB with the changes and the queue times is not a good environment for trying a killer 🥀

[turbid sable]

Guys, they killed knight

He’s actually unplayable in the ptb

[icy summit]

Praying the bugs dont go live 🙏

[mild nimbus]

But Knight does not have an update right?

Or bugs we are talking about?

[icy summit]

He's abhorrently buggy in the PTB

[mild nimbus]

Sad reality of video games is that no game will ever be bug free

[icy summit]

Every 10 bugs behavior fixes 20 more appear

[mild nimbus]

Sad really

[granite vessel]

thisll happen to any game thats been updated for as long as dbd has

[icy summit]

The problem is how bad the bugs are usually

[granite vessel]

yeah different pieces of different killers probably have dependencies otherwhere in code that are a nightmare to find so even if they arent directly updated it can completely break a killer

[mild nimbus]

Probably a solution could be to create simpler killers

[icy summit]

But wheres the fun in that

[granite vessel]

simpler killers are lame

[icy summit]

Exactly lmaooo

[granite vessel]

if you want more simple more samey killers just play the top 5 only

the better solution is to rework or buff to those that are horrendously awful

[mild nimbus]

Yea, but that’s probably the only way to avoid bugs

Yet it’s not fully guaranteed

[granite vessel]

that wouldnt make bugs less likely

[icy summit]

Killers being complex is not the cause of bugs its just spaghetti code.

[mild nimbus]

Only thing we can hope, is that the bugs that appear, are not game breaking

But Knight has always had that problem

[granite vessel]

the issue is the spaghetti code and the fact the game has had shit put on top of it for nearly 10 years now

the complexity doesnt necessarily mean more or less bugs

[dusty edge]

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[hardy hornet]

i would honestly choose a year with no content so the devs can just restructure the code over a year of new content releases

the code base needs to be redone desperately

[granite vessel]

i just dont think they can do that

[hardy hornet]

or better yet a year of or more of no content so they can just rebuild the codebase from scratch and just add everything piece by piece and then release it to live

[granite vessel]

they cant just stop releasing content for a year

[hardy hornet]

i mean yeah they need the money to keep the servers running

but on the other hand they are taking a 5 month break from new content so like its possible

it just sucks that they used ue4s blueprint codebase

[granite vessel]

it is i have to imagine those 5 months will be spent doing some recoding or restructuring of the codebase to make it more stable

[hardy hornet]

i mean they did the krasue chapter had codebase changes and ue5 updates

[granite vessel]

all 5 cannot be spent on the chapters to come after no shot

they really gotta do good on this january chapter

[hardy hornet]

didn't they say they were taking the break so they could address bugs and the whole anti slug/tunnel and more polish on the upcoming licensed chapter

speaking of which one of the devs said in the dbd day video for japan that the new chapter will be revealed "soon" and its been almost 3 weeks

is this gonna be like valve time

[granite vessel]

i mean soon is a subjective scale

[hardy hornet]

so valve time got it

[granite vessel]

idk i feel like the next chapter could be revealed or they could start hinting at it at any moment we'll just have to wait and see

[hardy hornet]

true

[granite vessel]

really hoping pinhead being playable for all in the ptb is a sign hes returning

[hardy hornet]

hopefully

[jade tapir]

the monkey's paw curls for this hope, b/c the Endurance nerf will make him hell to play. for some reason BHVR, in their infinite wisdom, didn't make picking up the box a conspicious action so Pinhead just can't stop it anymore.

[granite vessel]

i mean hopefully this change between the live release of the updates its why the ptb is a thing to get feedback

i played him on the ptb for the first time and he felt alright

[jade tapir]

one would think but it's still telling that this wasn't thought about in the first place. "let us remove the only counter play aside from M1'ing a survivor and see how it feels" surprise surprise, it feels like shit.

guess it wouldn't be so bad as long as they remove the Gateway Opening SFX to make it harder to Dead Hard, and make picking up the box Conspicuous, but we'll have to see what they do for live.

[granite vessel]

deadharding a chain imo is fine it feels frankly like a waste

i can agree with opening the box needing to be conspicuous

using dead hard for a chain is a real big waste of your dead hard

[jade tapir]

it depends on the loop. ideally you'll want to run back into Pinhead to disorient him instead of wasting DH on that, but as long as the loop is strong, you can continue to keep a chase going past its ideal end point.

[granite vessel]

idk i dont think dead hard is that big of a deal for chains

[jade tapir]

the whole point of the power is raw stopping power to complement a (supposedly) difficult game-sense shot, given it takes a lot of time for Pinhead to start moving again after casting it, but if you can delay or remove the boon of doing it it just wastes time to put the Survivor in a more advantageous position in a tile.

(well, i guess unless you have Engi's Fang, but that's situational and still wouldn't work against Endurance anyway)

[granite vessel]

yeah but they waste using a perk that couldve been used to take a free actual hit and extend a chase longer

[jade tapir]

it's the same result, if they're using DH to avoid the chain they're typically going to avoid an M1 if they can just skip it and move closer to a pallet.

well, assuming it's not a dead zone. then it's a complete waste but it will be funny to watch

[granite vessel]

at worst itll just have the same effect as if they used it for a hit in terms of extending a chase. There might be niche situations where it would be better to dead hard the chain but that takes a lot of skill an knowledge to do so i think its fine in terms of adding skill expression in his counterplay

[jade tapir]

i don't entirely disagree, but i'm willing to bet it'll be less niche than you think. (it's pretty easy to do only b/c the Gateway is loud af and it's directional, but to newbies it wont be, they have enough trouble countering him anyway). b/c Pinhead is weak on tiles he can't exert stopping power in, especially double pallet ones or window fillers, it'd be a suboptimal but its valuable delay for teammates.

||(i only say this because the Pallet Density "improvements" directly nerfed him on maps like Chapel where it's really easy to chain a Pinhead (no pun intended) into tile sets that can't be avoided, and extending that is basically a game-ruiner. Reaper had a game semi-recently where he just ego-chased an Ace that got lucky on the connected tiles, and got looped around simply b/c of how dense the safe pallets were)||

[tidal vessel]

hows the ptb for killers that arent Nurse, Blight, or Kaneki?

[rigid axle]

Basically unaffected iirc

Ghostface found dead before being able to arrive

[shut inlet]

It was miserable in any match that survivors didn't dc at the slightest inconvenience

[tidal vessel]

to be fair
Ghost Face has been in the ICU since the Pallet update

[rigid axle]

Yeah bascially if you weren't A or S tier in this ptb nothing has changed.

I guess Bubba got nerfed with basekit Unbreakable.

[tidal vessel]

i cant play ghost face unless i run an anti-pallet build + lightborn or surge

even still i barely succeed

its more stressful than a 12 hour shift

[rigid axle]

This pallet update really took 85% of the killer lineup & shot them in the head 15 times.

I’d rather main killers I enjoy then be a meta slave

[tidal vessel]

yeah

Demogorgon is still amazing tho

[rigid axle]

I bought him for Surge, already my favorite perk for GF

[pine aspen]

Respectfully no but he is very fun

[lime ibex]

Hey good morning

[young turtle]

I can't play him without slowdown perks 😭 shame cus he's so fun. Noticed that the add-ons were all portal related instead of shred

[tidal vessel]

no there are several shred add ons

[waxen dove]

I think a better way to prevent tunneling would be something like this:

-Some percentage of gen regression (like 15%) gets applied among all gens;prioritizing the more advanced gens and distributing the damage once the gens become even on progress; each time the killers hooks one of the players with the fewest hooks.

-Make each gens take X less seconds to repair (like 10 seconds)

That way, if someone tunnels, survivors will be able to finish a lot of gens, since they need 5 * X less seconds to finish all 5 gens while only getting 15% gen regression.

But if the killer goes for players with the lowest hooks, they get a built in slowdown that will compensate the gen repair buff. If they only hook unique survivors, over time, they would get 15 * 8 = 120% gen regression, but we could assume some could be lost of the overall gen progression was below 15% at the time of the regression.

The regression percentage and X should be tweaked until the game feels balanced.

[dusty edge]

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[young turtle]

Not any that I felt useful, like 1/10 perks are shred perks

[maiden fog]

The ptb sucks

[tidal vessel]

yeah ig

[young turtle]

Mha best new gen btw

[tidal vessel]

yessir

[wary hamlet]

Fork found in kitchen

[young turtle]

Hydrogen found in water

[hazy kraken]

Or just act like they play but die quick and then you see them all having under 10k points

[cold sedge]

they'd never do this cuz it'll stop survs from doing gen and it's clear BHVR don't want survs to be inconvenienced

[sour coral]

Personally, i think rewarding killers for not tunnel/slugging/camping would be a good start, instead of buffing survs to the moon

[shut inlet]

I think the 9.3.0 ptb would be better if it had the incentives of last ptb

Cause rn killers are struggling even more against good survivors who can use these changes effectively

While worse survivors still end up dying in a chase cause they haven't learnt how to play against tunneling even with these changes

And killers now have no way to catch up to really good teams who can do fast gens and heal insanely quickly

[slow venture]

Those incentives might be added back in the live version since pretty much everyone talked about how trash the current incentives were in the ptb.

If not then this game will become ghoul by nurse-blight and the devs will do a killer-sided update next

[shut inlet]

Like these changes will be fine if bhvr:

• reduces the haste and endurance to 10s at all times due to just how abusable it is.
• brings no collision back to survivors with adjustments to prevent it being abusable (making it immune to auto aim etc)
• add better incentives like 10% haste instead of bloodlust, and some gen regression but make it unique to each set of killers like it was last ptb.
• tone down the survivor perk changes like babysitter, breakdown, wicked.
• revert furtive chase but make it's haste only add 5%
• also please just take current autohaven and brighten it a little bit and add a bit of fog this rework was too much

[shut inlet]

With the pallet density update and 2v8 coming back I've literally found it impossible for me to play my main sadako

So I've been playing ghoul (don't worry not the easiest way possible but low bar anyways)

And it's actually been fucking fun 😱

[slow venture]

Yes Ghoul is pretty fun to play. (Just expect a lot of salt and hate mail)

[shut inlet]

Yeah though I get that just by playing dbd

I had someone (a supposed p100 sadako) complain that I was playing for condemn on sadako

[slow venture]

Survivor rule 135-A: Don’t ever use a killer’s power unless it’s fun for the survivors.

[shut inlet]

Which is stupid cause condemn is sadakos power

[shut inlet]

Fr

It baffles me cause this was a self proclaimed sadako p100

Like yeah totally p100 if you don't even use her condemn power

And they also said that's why one pump Willie got cancelled and that baffles me cause I don't think he was cancelled at all

Either lying or just weird

Anyways

Yeah I think I probably won't play killer at all if this ptb makes it to live as it is

Cause these changes heavily impact killers even if they don't tunnel

Wicked + resurgence, breakdown even furthering the healing meta, baby sitter being 30s of free wall hacks on the killer (imo it should only reveal the aura of the killer if they are within like 16 or 24m of the survivor that got unhooked)

But hey if this ptb does go through I atleast know there will be a heavy correction update that will happen when killers stop playing

Or they just finally get rid of the pvp aspect and add bot killers lmao

[cold sedge]

My solution scrap this ptb

[cold sedge]

this is funny

[orchid brook]

For the unhooked survivor, would more haste and less endurance be healthier? I think bodyblocking off of hook seems unintentional and arguably unhealthy and I'd rather it wasn't massively buffed like this.
My only concern with increasing the haste is the unhooked survivor being able to zoom over to get another hook and be too quick to punish

I can respect wanting the unhooked survivor a chance to get distance safely.
I don't like that countering bodyblocking changes from 'count to 10' to 'count to 30'

[cold sedge]

i think they should stop giving hand out to the surv cuz they think their entitled to a fun match

[orchid brook]

they basically are, the point of the game is for everyone to have fun

so if good strategy is particularly unfun thats a game problem

I dont think they're making all the best changes, but trying to address the most disliked parts of the gameplay is a good thing

[cold sedge]

no the point of killer is to kill all 4 survs the point of survivor is to -> survive <- so if a killer kills you they played the game

[orchid brook]

Those are the objectives, but the point of the game itself is to give players a good time. You might think I'm saying something I'm not. It's not like I'm against balance or think one side should be advantaged or whatever.

[cold sedge]

but the way the game is rn survs are being over buffed while killers keep getting nothing the devs are actively killing the killer experience this means eventually the surv que times will sky rocket cuz no one will wanna play killer cuz theirs no point to it, also killers dont owe survs a fun game and vice versa

if the devs keep ignoring the killer issues the game will die

[orchid brook]

I agree the balance changes are bad, and I expect they're reducing killer counterplay in a way that'll be less fun overall.
I think the proposed changes feel like patches onto a deeper problem which basically tell the killer they're not allowed to play the objective (particularly the face camping change), and I'm concerned about improved bodyblocks.

There's an issue when something is balanced but unfun (eg if you camp a hook rather than patrol gens, thats a balanced tradeoff, but it's unfun for the doomed survivor), and the changes are disrupting that balance, and arguably just moving the un-fun around.

I don't think there is an easy solution though because it's challenging to make an incentive healthy at casual levels and also healthy at pro levels. I suspect the huge killer punishments from the previous ptb would have lead to survivors trying to get killed to cause the killer to be punished, similar to my worry about buffing unhook bodyblocking.

Right now killer is incentivized to get a survivor out early, which is not great because it's less fun. When they discourage killer from going for a survivor, it inversely incentivizes that survivor to play dangerous and bodyblock. I'd say both states are unhealthy
(edit: will be afk, but can answer later)

[cold sedge]

A major way to help killer anxiety with this ptb is nerf sabo builds remove the oak offering on both sides, also nerf healing builds or make it take longer to heal unless your the surv thats just been unhooked, id also drop the number of pallets in some maps. they are justa few ways id help oh and nerf the vault builds that are getting way to out of hand

[misty yew]

I'd also take a look at perks on the survivor side where tunneling is the best way to not deal with them. Like resurgence. Best way to avoid that under hook heal resurgence value is just booking it to the hook and hitting the just unhooked.

[orchid brook]

I like sabo and other second chance options in theory, but think in combination and with swf they get pretty out of hand. I think I would be okay with heals if it wasn't for the limit on gen regen instances? It seems weird that survivors can stall the game at no cost late game. Other matters I don't know enough to comment. I'd prefer more weak pallets to fewer strong pallets I think.

[cold sedge]

but i think tackling the issues of what perks are being run when tunnelling happens or slugging (rip twins 0% play rate upcoming) and see i dont mind some maps but mid which has a massive pallet problem

[misty yew]

Funny thing about twins; I've seen a lot of people claim it won't hurt twins as bad as we think, but one of the most well known twin players just played a regular game, and they anti slugging feature was kicking her in the ribs for just playing the character.

[cold sedge]

see they aint played as is but this wont help new killers

as they wont wanna play a killer with no power fantasy

[winged stream]

Got a question about Furtive chase perk rework, um why???

[cold sedge]

NO FUCKING IDEA

[winged stream]

Thought we supposed to prevent tunnelling and we use Furtive Chase perk to prevent tunnelling but bruh guess not

[cold sedge]

they didnt lo0k at beast of pray bloodlust = undetectible

its nice to have a human convo about this ngl cuz most i try to talk to just start getting angry

[winged stream]

I honestly thought 5% haste was good enough just tune it down a little and keep beast of prey the way it is, same goes with furtive chase just maybe get rid of haste or lower down half

that simple really

[cold sedge]

i still think this ptb sucks

[winged stream]

Funny part about survey is why do survivors uninstall? but never even bothered to ask killers, why do they uninstall

[cold sedge]

no why would they

survs cry louder

[obtuse berry]

The changes don’t even fix tunneling

They only affect tunneling right off hook

If you hook someone and see them later there’s zero incentive not to prioritize them over everyone else

Like if I see two healthy survivors and I just hooked one I’m going to go after them 100% of the time even after these changes

15 seconds of bloodlust is nothing

All the changes do is let survivors use the anti tunnel super aggressively and indirectly nerf a bunch of killers like oni and twins

[winged stream]

Im gonna speak for killers, when killers do slug and tunnel, its mostly cuz when full swf brings all same build like head on or full sabo on hooks leaving killers no choice but to slug or tunnel. So what if full swf in lobby can't have all same perks, I know it sounds unfair if some wanna run with same perk but think about it, 2v8 all surv can't have same loadout at same time. Its to prevent full bullies making it impossible for killers to hook or picking up survivors

[misty yew]

They had the foresight to not let furtive chase stack with base kit bloodlust but they couldn't see resurgence and wicked stacking?

[winged stream]

like isnt that the most problem? is full straight up same build on each survivor with full sabo toolbox

[dusty edge]

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[south flume]

its either that or just gens going by too fast, the amount of times ive chased somebody for maybe like 30 secs and 1-2 gens pop by the time its over is staggering

[winged stream]

Since Oni and Twins is a slug killer, I wish they could make unbreakable active if more than 2 survivors is down, because there other survivors will come and help. Teamwork but nope survivors can't really wait, sure Ill get it, it's stressful

[winged stream]

Yeah it's pretty much unavoidable unless you bring lethal purser. Recently I played Pig with video tape addon which gives all head traps to survivor at start of trial so they have two choice, get rid of trap or jump straight to gen. so far its been massive success for my pig build

barely any pop at past 3 mins or more

[south flume]

all i really want is to play springtrap without having to worry about that happening

[winged stream]

I would say best thing to do is keep eye on gens you wanna keep and ignore other gen like for example if there are few gens on left far map while one gen is far right of map then you want to keep eye on three gens on left side

[misty yew]

Maybe have it so 2 survivors can help each other up if they're both downed and have their recovery bar filled? It may need a few more specifics, but I feel like that would be an infinitely better system than whatever they're trying to make work.

[obtuse berry]

If everyone is slugged with no way to recover on their own they should just get sacrificed

It’s a strategy built into the game with its own risks and weaknesses

Why is it being treated like some sort of exploit

It’s like if you did a gen too fast you got a hook state

[cold sedge]

that would be funny

[obtuse berry]

Survivors have zero restriction put on what they can do

They can focus on popping gens fast, pallet/flashlight save the same person repeatedly, bodyblock etc

But the equivalents on killer have all been universally nerfed over time

Can’t stay near hooked survivor, can’t leave them on the ground, can’t chase survivor off hook, can’t regress gens too much

And strategies via perks were also gutted into uselessness

[dusty edge]

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[cold sedge]

lol

[obtuse berry]

Sloppy butcher gutted, regression gutted

[cold sedge]

the devs just want the game to die

[obtuse berry]

Random perks like stbfl nerfed

low tier killers repeatedly made worse over time

70 second hook stages

[cold sedge]

5 sec hook stages for all killers

[tepid tapir]

Since this garbage update is prolly going through can we change the name of killers to entertainers so I feel less cheated

[solar atlas]

Hi so when are killers going to get something beneficial😂✌️

[orchid brook]

Maybe separate channels for discussion and salty hyperbole

Can’t stay near hooked survivor, can’t leave them on the ground, can’t chase survivor off hook,
Generally they're trying to stop the killer from being able to put any survivor in a position without agency, since that feels like queueing up to do nothing and watch yourself lose. I don't think any of their changes are very well designed, but I don't think its an easy problem to solve given its a player-elimination game. Anyone have constructive ideas?

[modern shuttle]

well spoken i agree

[solar atlas]

This is a discussion channel tho

Honestly if they cant take the time to make good ideas now (which was the whole point of putting off the whole new stuff to january) then when will they take the time to solve this

If theyre going to keep releasing ass ptbs like this they js shouldnt at all and focus on bug fixing or literallg anything else

[wary hamlet]

idk why they even removed base kit pop and bbq from the last ptb in the first place

if those incentives were still in place for unique hooks I could see this ptb working in live

[obtuse berry]

having your agency taken away is just part of the game

being downed and hooked takes away agency

being pallet stunned or blinded takes away agency

[dusty edge]

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[shut inlet]

Yeah

[shut inlet]

It's also just the consequence of removing strategies as well

These survivor protections make the game just as linear as the incentives did because they remove a strategy

The issue with the last ptb was that you got punished way way too easily and the removal of information that's useful to killer (knowing when survivors got unhooked and where atleast 2 are and what they're doing)

This ptb would be so much better with the incentives from last ptb

[shut inlet]

And me personally I think this ptb would be fine with just these changes

I should probably go more indepth with these changes huh

[obtuse berry]

it doesnt even fix the strategy they wanted to remove

tunneling is still the best thing to do

just not off hook directly

once they get healed or lose those protections you should always go for them again since there's no reason not to

if you have the choice to chase someone you've just hooked and someone else you always choose the former

[shut inlet]

Changes I feel would make the new systems good:

• reduces the haste and endurance to 10s at all times due to just how abusable it is.
• brings no collision back to survivors with adjustments to prevent it being abusable (making it immune to auto aim etc)
• add better incentives like 10% haste instead of bloodlust, and some gen regression maybe a mini pain resonance so that gen regression would be more useful for all killers but make it unique to each set of killers like it was last ptb, for example blight gets only 5% or no haste and only a 5% pain resonance vs 10%.
• change babysitter to make the killer aura reading only happen within 16 or 24m of the unhooked survivor.
• remove the new healing speed increase as breakdown did not need this compensation buff for the aura removal.
• remove the healing progress change from wicked and maybe make the removal of the unhook notification only happen in the basement as insta heal is insane and the removal of information is crazy to be happening all the time
• revert furtive chase but make it's haste only add 5%
• also please just take current autohaven and brighten it a little bit and add a bit of fog this rework was too much

[shut inlet]

For bad survivors it won't fix hard tunneling

[obtuse berry]

bad survivors will still die no matter how much you handhold them

[shut inlet]

But good survivors that hard tunneling was already ineffective against can use these changes really well

[obtuse berry]

it just makes playing non S tier killers more miserable and makes swfs even more unstoppable

[shut inlet]

Exactly, which is why we need a better tutorial and not a system like this in my opinion

[obtuse berry]

they also need to change a bunch of killer perks back like sloppy

[shut inlet]

But again, if we are going to get a system like this we should get incentives as a killer to not tunnel

[obtuse berry]

why was sloppy ever nerfed

[shut inlet]

Cuz they wanted to rework mangled right but then they never did

[obtuse berry]

healing and gen speeds are both insane rn

[torpid monolith]

If bhvr don’t fix the bug that absolutely annihilates my frames whenever I go near an exit gate I’m uninstalling istg

[obtuse berry]

and they add even more strong healing and gen speed perks in

[shut inlet]

Yeah but behavior refuses to listen to the killers players saying these things

[obtuse berry]

hmmm lets nerf DMS and pain res again

[torpid monolith]

Gens speeds are ridiculous, the fact teams can get out within 3 minutes is criminal

[shut inlet]

Let's make it so that there's no decent killer perks. There's only s tier or c tier

[obtuse berry]

also why is the regression limit still here

survivors have gotten like 4 huge basekit buffs since then

[shut inlet]

To be honest, I'm fine with The regression limit as it makes it so games don't go on for hours against certain killers

[obtuse berry]

regression limit should only be on actual gen kicks

[shut inlet]

That is true.

[obtuse berry]

not things like pain res or jolt

[torpid monolith]

Why do ppl call surge jolt? I’m a new gen

[shut inlet]

Because stranger things was removed for a few years and that was the universal perk name

For example, pinheads perk deadlock was made into no holds barred

So people still call it deadlock but it's now called no holds barred

[violet lantern]

Mindbreaker always gets me when it's called Fearmonger

[orchid brook]

• I think survivor being able to escape safely is good, and being able to block/get a free unhook is bad. With that in mind I think a long or very high haste might be fine but endurance should be very short. I'd prefer more like 5 seconds.
• I agree no collision is probably better.
• I agree entirely with hook incentives
• I think furtive chase would be fine if haste didn't stack?

Current ptb has normal unhook notifications right? I strongly disliked removing unhook notifications last ptb

If regression has limited instances, after healing enough times survivor becomes permanently broken?

[orchid brook]

Yes but it's different to be stunned for two seconds vs camped to death, in terms of experience

[shut inlet]

Wicked removes unhooked notifications on all unhooks

Cause it wasn't good enough

[orchid brook]

Oh okay. Much less concerning than last ptb, and you can still see their status change on the hud.

[icy summit]

Did anyone test the scratch mark colors on spirit? Are they more visible when in phase on certain colors?

[shut inlet]

Didn't think of that tbh

[icy summit]

I would have tested it but i only recently started playing Spirit 🥀

[verbal lance]

I'm not sure Babysitter would be okay even with that change, it will just go from a "everyone can get value from this" perk to "only SWFs will be able to abuse it" perk.

[granite vessel]

i didnt test spirit specifically but i cant imagine they arent easier to see

great qol change

[young pier]

Bring back old tenacity

[astral cipher]

You’re not gonna believe me

[hazy kraken]

Bring back old Chucky's scamper

[astral cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/fnaf-fnaf4-freddy-freddy-fazbear-nightmare-freddy-gif-24525113

[wary hamlet]

Honestly atp let him have it

They legit gave krause scamper and shes 100x more annoying to face than chucky

If they gave chucky pallet scamper back he’d still be in the trenches of the tierlist lmao

[astral cipher]

It takes 1.7 seconds

Og scamper took 1.4

And you had access to both m1 and a strong dash after using it

[dusty edge]

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[cold sedge]

are the devs still radio silent or have they finally realised oh shit we might be killing our game

[gleaming wyvern]

not yet

[cold sedge]

when this ptb ment to go live

[astral cipher]

Usually it takes 3 weeks

[cold sedge]

so in what about a week and a half well see if the devs are truly dumb or not

[astral cipher]

There should be a update on these things a bit earlier than that

[cold sedge]

i hope so cuz all this says atm is the devs dont care

[astral cipher]

Okay

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[long bay]

Just because you wont get any kills after this patch doesn't mean all of us suck...

[cyan pine]

You know its a bad patch when even survivor mains are saying its too much 😭

[gray night]

☝️

[long bay]

I'm not even claiming I'll be able to win every game, but I very like the idea of killers having to lose if they against a better team. But theoretically, no more slugging or tunnelling for ego.

[cyan pine]

Killers that tunnel and slug still lose against better teams tho? Plenty of youtube videos showing this

[long bay]

Many more saying "they gen rushing while I'm chasing Feng for 6 minutes. Now I have to tunnel", and other videos. Last gen pops, and they slug because it's so hard to get hooks

But without basing all this off YouTube videos, my surv games usually start as a 3v1. And do you have any idea how much easier a 3v1 is vs a 4v1?

[obtuse berry]

they will cut the endurance and haste from 30s to 20s and call it a day

[icy summit]

I just wish killers got more than just tier 1 bloodlust and some extra bp

[long bay]

They used to. They got bbq and chilli, they got a free gen kick. Killers said they didnt want it

[icy summit]

The problem is those are just worse versions of good perks and the perks they are based on got gutted in the same ptb. Not to mention gen kicking really doesnt matter for a killer with low mobility

[long bay]

Its basekit. You expect to down everyone by looking at them too, and so what if its weaker. Its basekit. It doesn't even cost a perk slot. And if you have lower mobility, I wouldnt recommend hooking on the other side of the map if you have a specific gen you want to kick(and I loved one of those perk changes. One of em gave you killer OoO. That was super fun)

[dusty edge]

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[icy summit]

The main issue is that its not good enough compensation for what survivors get. Nobody was saying they didnt want the basekit changes. Killers just wanted better changes to actually compensate for what survivors got.

Even the bloodlust on hook is resulting in furtive chase being gutted

[long bay]

But the balance was because killers were too strong. Killers should get a bonus because they need to be weaker?

[icy summit]

The balance was not because killers were too strong. It was because they played efficiently and it wasnt fun for survivors. There are certainly strong killers but these patches dont affect them nearly as much as every other killer.

[gray night]

Strategy was too strong*

Low risk, insanely high reward

[long bay]

"Efficiently" theres that word again. I'm done.

[long bay]

Very true. Thank you. Usually, I put a line in between bad killers and bad players

[vague token]

i mean you have to tunnel slug and all that to win against a half decent squad now

good swf ur just losing unless your ona s tier killer

all the new changes will do is weaken the weaker killers and make more killers quit

[long bay]

If you have to tunnel and slug to win, that's on you. If these killers didnt want to lose, they could get better, but yeah, "quit" is also a viable option. Wave goodbye. There will still be people playing killer, and there will be people that are able to win, no matter what "tier" their fav killer is in

[icy summit]

"If you dont want to lose just get better" is a terrible way to look at things

[vague token]

You’re obviously a killer hater 😭 must lose a lot or something

[long bay]

It's not as terrible as "I'll get a participation trophy qnyways"

[vague token]

You could get the same skill level killer and same skill level survivor with the amount of pallets now the survivor could literally run and pre drop every pallet and you could do 500 gens by the time the pallets are gone tunneling and slugging is the only pressure a killer can have sometimes

The game just needs to have something that makes solo q and swfing different or liked a ranked mode

[long bay]

Yep. You got me. There is no way to win. I forgot pallets existed

[vague token]

yeah trapper has to just break it 9/10 times

[shut inlet]

I don't remember a single killer saying that shit though

I remember the incentives being very positively looked on by killers

[vague token]

If anything they just wanted more

[long bay]

That was just a simplified way to say all the YouTube killers were crying because they wanted the buffs without the penalties

[vague token]

a few complainers dont make up the whole killer base

[shut inlet]

Crying???

[vague token]

any neutral player rn says the ptb is too much

acting like survivors dont already have the upper hand

[shut inlet]

I think survivors have too much and killers are getting too little

I mean just the perk reworks show that lmao

[vague token]

thats how it goes the game wants to please the 4 players to the 1

Over the last few years the amount of killer nerfs has been unreal

[shut inlet]

Mangled Nerf

Which still hasn't gotten a rework which is why they nerfed it right?

[misty yew]

I also think part of it is just lack of game experience on the devs part. They didn't understand why meat plant has a lot of slugging, even after the chat spamming pallets. At some point data ain't gonna tell you what natural game sense does.

[vague token]

They need to start playing their own game or something

[vague token]

Yeah definitely lacking game sense

[shut inlet]

Data can be so misleading sometimes that balancing purely off of data is horrible idea

[misty yew]

Yup. I have a gripe with that cause it leads to stuff like nemesis' only good add-ons getting nerfed that one time. They seem to think "oh, well that must mean they're too good", but no, it's cause all the other options suck. They did that with Demogorgon too.

[shut inlet]

And they almost did it with artist as well, right?

[vague token]

they just need a ranked mode where you leave it how it is but add ranks with some kinda skill thing a normal mode where everything is just random like it is now and a mode for the new players where you gotta be under a certain level or its locked to play

[misty yew]

Yeah. They just assume a killer is like blight where all of their add-ons are actually usable so they have a healthy spread. Then you get characters like my Onyrō

[shut inlet]

I feel like if behavior wants to cater towards newer players they need a beginner queue instead of a ranked queue

Cause behavior needs to be teaching players how to play their game. Not letting them play however they want and screwing over the rest of the player base

[shut inlet]

I can't wait for them to Nerf bloody fingernail cuz it's the best addon she has

[vague token]

They just need to update the tutorial and make it how the game actually works not just how to drop a pallet and run in a line

[misty yew]

I think I disagree. Every game has that group of players that stagnate at a certain skill level, like being hard stuck in Platinum in most shooters. These players don't improve and just stay around they're current skill level and just expect things to get easier.

I think BHVR is catering to these players; they don't want to get better but want to bully the killer that's more skilled than them.

[shut inlet]

Yeah and a part of that should be a beginner's queue that is more teaching than the game is rn

[vague token]

They need something like siege had the beginner tutorials the beginners queu causal play then ranked

[shut inlet]

Cause the best way to learn is to experience the game and rn just playing regular queue doesn't actually let you learn anything and sometimes you even get lobbies with players far outside of your own skill level

[misty yew]

Honestly I'd be fine with them nerfing finger nail if they just make her add-ons good. I can't remember what any of them do besides the two iri remotes, cause one of them is good and the other is so laughably bad it's hard to forget, finger nails, and mothers comb just cause it's a training wheels add-on. I can't remember any of the others and I'm p100 with her.

[vague token]

Yeah cus rn the whole skill matchmaking is a mess killer can just let ppl escape then within an hour they could be going against new players

[shut inlet]

For real

[main geode]

bhvr hates killer side atp

just remove killer side now there will be 5 survivors

[ripe bison]

Blight in lore was a survivor originally

does that count?

[vague token]

[scenic hornet]

y'a deux français

?

[wary hamlet]

Rename killer to entertainer

[dusty edge]

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[ripe bison]

The Entertainer sounds like the name of a killer

[shut inlet]

It's gonna be the name for all the killer role soon fr

[fierce creek]

just say you are ass bro

[shut inlet]

Lmao

God forbid I make a joke

[fierce creek]

jokes are funnier when they are based in reality

not a circlejerk

[shut inlet]

uh huh

sureeeeeee

[candid cloak]

what does ptb mean?

[maiden oyster]

Public Test Build, a version of the game that is available before updates for players to test and give feedback on the games upcoming update and content before its out.

DBDs PTB will only be a available for a limited time and no progress or items earned in thay version of the game carry over to the main game. This version is purely to get a sneak peak of the next update and give your thoughts.

[rigid axle]

To kind of piggy back on this:

The only way to get into PTB is on PC version with Steam, consoles & EGS (iirc about EGS) do not have a way to get on PTB.

BHVR uses PTB to gain feedback on changes they want to make to the live service version of the game. I kinda wish they did a PTB with the pallet density update because it feels like a band aid solution for dead zones.

[reef portal]

Nah obviously dropping 200 pallets in chase is the intended way to play considering we got like twice the pallets on some maps/j

[haughty roost]

Looking for a teammate to play with, please send a private message

[verbal lance]

#looking-for-group

[misty yew]

Funnily enough it was never intended. The devs just sorta gave up and said "screw it, looping is a feature now".

[long bay]

I love players like you. Yes. Drop your pallets. All your pallets. And survs think this is beneficial for them

[reef portal]

I don't drop a trillion pallets I'm just joking about the "quality of life" pallet update

[reef portal]

I don't even think they gave up I just think they are so comically out of touch and just play the game that little

Literally would be better off hiring they just took a bunch of YouTubers like otz and put them in the balance team at this point

[long bay]

I'll do it

[reef portal]

I'm convinced a large chunk of this server could balance the game better and that's saying alot with how dogshit some of the takes here are

[misty yew]

Might not be the best idea. Eve online actually had an entire problem where long term players started applying for jobs so they could make changes to directly benefit the clan they were a part of. A similar thing might happen here if they choose the wrong people.

[reef portal]

Yeah it'd probably have to be some pretty well known trusted community figures

[limpid crag]

Gooper would perfectly balance the game

[cold sedge]

delete meg from the game

game has been balanced

[summer heath]

most takes in this discord are made based off vitriol and spite and never actually look at the greater playerbase and not just your one experience with a bully squad that you forgot to bring lightborn to

[long bay]

I'm watching this video rn. It's crazy. Killers dont wanna play unless they are guaranteed a chance to win even if they suck. "I dont wanna get better. I wanna be able to camp and tunnel so I can get wins"

[wary hamlet]

Cant tell if its rage bait or you are being deadass

[long bay]

Dead ass

[wary hamlet]

But tunneling, camping, slugging, etc are valid strats killers use because gens can fly insanely fast and its the best way to build pressure full stop

[summer heath]

i dont get how you dont see competent players as challenges and if you lose you feel a drive to get good enough to beat them, and not that their skill and experience was a result of the game and not your lack of pressure/hooks/mobility/foresight

soooo many outs and you choose blaming the game

[long bay]

But I'm literally watching this video. I got to the "entertainer" part and thought "I just read that a half hour ago"

[wary hamlet]

If you spread hooks 9 times out of 10 you will be losing the game unless

A. You play a killer who couldnt give 2 shits about spreading hooks (blight, nurse, etc)

B. The survivors are actually lobotomized

Its just not the efficient way to play killer

Idk how anyone can see these changes and think they benefit the game personally

[long bay]

If you wanna let them sit on a gen, they are going to gen rush you. If you waste 5 minutes chasing Feng, you shouldnt get to ignore hooks because we just finished 4 gens

[wary hamlet]

And I like playing both sides I dont ONLY play killer

Unironically the only killers who can afford to “place nice” the way bhvr wants are the very same killers survivors hate vs’ing every single game (top tiers)

Which you are going to see more of I guarantee lol

[long bay]

So you are only competent with the easy killers. Good to know. Thank you for your valuable input

[wary hamlet]

????

Putting words I didn’t say in my mouth is certainly a move

Someones mad someone has an opinion they dont like

[agile loom]

I think its unhealthy that the game is only balanced if someone is tunneled out early. What's the point in it being 1v4 instead of 1v3 then 😭 idk i think they could give killers some kinda base kit gen helper shit atleast but I dont think embracing taking someone out early is the right direction to take

Its never fun to be like playing with ur friends and get tunneled off hook and then you have to wait 10-15 min for the round to end plus a few minutes in queue and loading screens

[wary hamlet]

If they never removed base kit pop and bbq from the unique hook I could see this patch working with a few tweaks

Like the endurance on the unhook not lasting a whole ass 30 seconds lmao

Elusive lasting that long is fine imo

Bloodlust 1 and a tiny bit more bloodpoints on unique hook is such a bitch slap to the face to people who want a valid reason to not tunnel compared to last ptb’s incentives

[agile loom]

Thats true im ngl ive seen killer players win like 4/5 games and call the games killers wayyy too weak because they lost a single game to a good team😭 i dont think either side should have a 100% win rate for things to be "fair" and not killer or survivor sided it should be whoever plays the match better wins

[wary hamlet]

If the killer is down 2 gens while at 4 total hooks and someones on death hook theres actually 0 reason to not just go for the dude thats on death hook its simply the logical play to make if you want to win

[agile loom]

After a few gens have popped i get going for confirmed kills but like singling someone out intentionally i feel is not the way to go

[wary hamlet]

If its like a tunnel off hook at 5 or 4 gens I can see the logic in despising it

[agile loom]

I do find myself killing people off somewhat early sometimes but its not me going out of my way to go for whoever was unhooked its just me stumbling across them a few times when they slip up and make that mistake

[agile loom]

Thats i think what most people have an issue with reguarding tunneling

I dont mind full killing people a few gens down but I also dont wanna spectate a hopeless game for 15 min because I died early and now the other survs dont have a chance and cant dc without penalties

[long bay]

I liked the first ptb idea. Noone dies before half the game is done, then everyone is fair game

[wary hamlet]

Can only really blame bhvr for piss poor game design

They chose to make this the most viable way for a killer to establish pressure

In a perfect world they’d make playing nice and spreading hooks to other survivors also viable for killers but unless your a top tier it simply just isnt

I liked base kit pop and bbq last ptb it was a step in the right direction

Although punishing killers for killing was questionable

[agile loom]

Also something thats annoying is a lot of killer players use like a shit ton of gen regression, I see pain res in almost every setup and its usually accompanied by 2 other gen regress perks like surge or pop and those killer players STILL tunnel so it leads to a round of someone dying at 3 or 4 gens and then the killer just blowing through the remaining 3 with gen regression so the remaining 3 are basically just playing to get fucked over especially when we don't have 4 person comms (i almost always play with my duo)

[wary hamlet]

I also liked how they isolated top tier killers with smaller buffs on unique hook

Specifically so they cant take advantage of them as hard as mid-low tier killers

[agile loom]

I do wish they would just keep heavily encouraging spreading hooks while giving base kit gen perks like that, it seems like the best direction to take to make it fun for everyone but BHVR just isnt taking the jump there fsr /:

[agile loom]

I liked that as well that was pretty smart

[wary hamlet]

Yeah classic bhvr

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[hollow basin]

Pop was not enough though. You either needed luck or high mobility to make the most of it and apply it to the gen you want to apply it to.

Plus the basekit bbq made killers predictable because you could know who they saw and thus, who would be on their corsshair.

It was a bad beginning. Which makes me baffled at how worse they made it for this PTB. I saw many good ideas in feedback and they all were IGNORED.

I don't know why do they seem sooo hellbent on bringing this flawed system to the game when they need more time, testing and listening. Plus perhaps either adapting it to the killer roster, or adapting the killer roster to it. Because in the current state of things, they are harming the killers that aint S-tier

[violet lantern]

Fr

[long bay]

Dont worry. They might make it easier for the low tier players... I mean... "killers" after they realize that killers are getting 0% stats, assuming that everyone is bad at the game after these changes

[gray night]

Last ptb was actually nice having the pop and bbq

As SM as well

[hollow basin]

It's not about who's good or bad. It's about who has more difficulties and who doesn't. This year killers have taken blow after blow.

1. The awakening of the healing meta. Hit and run is almost obsolete.

2. The pallet density being unnecessarily augmented. Chases are easier for survivor.

3. The two attempts of antitunnel that limit their playstyle in one iteration and don't encourage hook spreading in the other while giving survivors more resources to fight them.

No matter how good you are, survivors have been having it easier and easier whereas killers have been having things harder and harder.

There isn't a survivor anxiety, but there is a killer anxiety. Things have reached a point where a mental issue is starting to be associated with the killer role.

[long bay]

1. Kinda fair, but if they bring healing perks, they have less second chance. Or chase. Or whatever perks they have. Perks are a bad thing. Survivors cant have em. Why limit our crying to healing perks. All perks are bad.

2. Chases are "more droppy", but easier? You should learn how to play the pallets like they do I guess

3. ...that limit their playstyle... ok
   When someone gets unhooked, they are the only ones that are "immortal"(kinda. It still only lasts till you get hit), but it's not all of them. I promise. And since killers are waiting at the hook because some loser will be here eventually for an unhook, that hit generally gets used quick. And it only lasts while they are useless. So... what's the issue?

There is no survivor anxiety because we know someone is getting tunnelled out and everyone left will just be "easy pickings". We have come to terms with this, and the anxiety is gone.

Yes. Survs have been getting stronger, but as of right now, still not strong enough. I wanna go back to killer main, but wins didnt feel good. I wanted to back off till they had a chance, and it's getting closer, I been playing killer again, and loving it

[hollow basin]

I have to disagree with you in everything you said. But I see I am not able to convince you currently.

So let's just agree to disagree?

[long bay]

Ok

[candid cloak]

thank you :]

[fair lark]

I still do feel like that if survivors mess up to an extreme degree killer should not be punished, like if they get inactive position where they get plugged from horrifically failing flash light saves on a downed teammate, punishing the killer for playing all their plays correct just seems bad

[simple void]

so how's the ptb?

[gray night]

Domniated both the first and second ptb as SM so I think they need to just push the changes in and the people who struggle at killer still can just skill isuee their way up finally

[wary hamlet]

It wasn’t quite enough but it was a solid step in the right direction imo

Also the slugging changes in this ptb are fine but they really need to adjust it individually for killers who’s entire kit and playstyle revolves around slugging

Like oni, onyro, and twins are the main 3 that come to mind

Its deadass not uncommon on oni specifically to have 2-3 people slugged on the floor

Or the entire team lmao

twins is self explanatory, onyro you only really slug if you know the person slugged has almost 0 condemn to lock in

[long bay]

twins is not self explanatory. why does victor need to go cross country.
onryo "forces" you to slug when youre "forced" to chase a surv with 0 condemn. that almost makes sense.
oni, i kinda feel you. i love playing oni, and hate that i lose my power when i pick up. they said "ok, we will give you more orbs from hooking". fast forward to 2 extra orbs. a hook should give oni his power. that would help to not "force" slugging
but botched flashlight saves, yes. fair game. but youre not being punished, you totally have enough time to hook both if you get them both down. itll be 33% faster for a few seconds, but unless you botch that you can easily hook both

[wary hamlet]

Twins and oni mainly are THE slug killers

So I feel like those two should be top priority to have specific changes so the anti slug doesnt absolutely botch their kits

Imo

[long bay]

it doesnt botch their kits. only playstyles with them that utilize slugging

[wary hamlet]

Their entire kit revolves around slugging

[long bay]

for 10 minutes at a time?

[wary hamlet]

??? What scenario is a survivor staying on the ground for 10 minutes at a time with or without anti tunnel/slug

[long bay]

i dunno, youre the one freaking out about not being able to slug. i dunno how long you usually leave em there

[wary hamlet]

The anti slug has progressively increased recovery speed depending on how many survivors are slugged. Guess which killers tend to slug multiple survivors very often

twins and ESPECIALLY oni

That is legit oni’s entire identity

[long bay]

oni, yes, ive already said youre kinda right on that one, but with the twins. why should you need 10 minutes to pick them up just because victor wants to go on a road trip

[wary hamlet]

I never said it should even be that long if they need to be individually adjusted for the anti slug

It should be a minor adjustment maybe make the progressive scaling with more slugged survivors a tiny bit less effective

On SPECIFICALLY oni and twins

[long bay]

good luck

[wary hamlet]

But knowing bhvr they prob won’t do it

[orchid brook]

Arguably other temporary buff killers like plague and Myers are also incentized to slug, but they're not as important

[dusty edge]

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[wary hamlet]

True post rework myers ive noticed has been a quite the slugger

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[fickle crane]

What is the flagged text that keeps coming up anyways?

[agile loom]

Pretty sure its hacked accounts, suspicious links, scam accounts, etc getting their messages automodded

[fathom jungle]

did anyone else lose access to playing the ptb?

[fickle crane]

The PTB usually ends about a week after it begins

[fathom jungle]

ah ok

[snow tusk]

Knowing Bhvr they’ll convert twins to dash slop or the funny alternative is Victor is allowed to to hook survivors or become a hook

[ripe bison]

Oni's kit revolves around survivors bleeding from injuries.

His power incentivizes leaving survivors on the ground as he runs around on a rampage downing several survivals in succession but thats not really the same as Twins.

[ripe bison]

Victor has a "dash" already

[snow tusk]

Make it more so, Chucky 2.0 ahhhhh. In fact, give Charlotte one too

[obtuse berry]

They will give oni 3 more blood orbs on hooks and nothing else

[verbal lance]

The more I think about it the more I come to the conclusion that the only real way to fix slugging is to make hooking automatic on down, but that takes away so much flavor from the game.

[lost sail]

interesting but that will take away some insane plays besides many perks will be useless DS for example

[verbal lance]

Yes, it would remove a lot. Slapping people up on a hook, flashlight saves, pallet saves, struggling off and by extension Boil Over, DS all would go away.

[obtuse berry]

You fix slugging by making it better for you to hook in more situations

Currently you are the most vulnerable as killer while you pick up and carry people

[verbal lance]

One of the primary reasons killers don't hook right away is there is some incentive not to, or some disincentive if they do:

• They may not have time to hook before pressuring a critical gen.
• Oni loses their power if they stop to hook.
• Meyers, Plague, etc. lose time on their power if they stop to hook.
• Flashlights lingering around make it risky.

And so on.

[obtuse berry]

You run the risk of being sabotaged, pallet saved, flashlight saved, bodyblocked etc

You slug because you’re anticipating those things happening

[verbal lance]

Right, so the extreme end of that is downing = auto hook, which would solve the problem at the expense of removing quite a few gameplay elements that some people like.

[obtuse berry]

also the game is designed around slugging

[verbal lance]

I doubt they will do it but I don't really see a compelling way around it.

It simplifies the game in a way that fixes slugging but also removes fun.

[obtuse berry]

The solution is right there in front of them

Base kit pain res on unique hooks

Not affected by mobility, rewards hooking and encourages you not to tunnel

[ripe bison]

Oni doesnt stop to hook mid rage because thes not supposed to

He goes on a rampage, knocking down several survivals in succession if possible

[vague token]

its just apart of game the game they needa leave it alone and make another game mode for casual players with built in perks then a ranked for the sweats

[ripe bison]

ranked mode is an awful idea

[vague token]

how thats like the perfect thing

[ripe bison]

Many reasons

bigged probably being queue times

[vague token]

well if they did it right it would be rlly good and many ppl want it could also solve a lot of the current issues

[ripe bison]

There isnt a way to "do it right"

Only way would potentially be makign a competitive gamemode as a special event like 2v8 but I seriously doubt that will ever happen

[vague token]

there is plenty of ways to make it right lol

[ripe bison]

such as?

[vague token]

theres so many ways they could just add ranks that you get from your game or they could add a whole new mode with perk/killer bans theres a lot they could do

[ripe bison]

Do you honestly expect Behavior to be able to effectively manage perk and addon banlists for a different gamemode effectively? On top of the monumental task of balancing this game in the first place?

[vague token]

• you get ranked points for each hook instead of each kill
• end of season ranked rewards
• skilled based matchmaking
• certain maps / map bans
• killer/perk bans

[vague token]

well a ranked game mode could fix a lot of the tunneling issues

if they did it right

[ripe bison]

Sweaty players (the demographic of such a mode) generally value kills not hooks

skill based matchmaking already exists in DBD

its bad but thats besides the poijt

[vague token]

yeah and its awful.. big reason why so many new players quit

[ripe bison]

I fail to see how tunneling has anythign to do with a ranked mode

[vague token]

they could make it so you dont get rewarded any rank bonus for back to back hooks on the same survivor

[ripe bison]

Tunneling is a playpattern which results from extremely powerful micro killers, newer players being bad, trolls, and killers getting emotional about someone

[vague token]

they can do a lot to have a ranked mode slow down tunneling

[ripe bison]

What???

[maiden oyster]

I would want it to be like 10% reduction tho, and that comes from a Killer play

[ripe bison]

Why shouldnt they just have tunneling take away emblems then???

Thats effectively the same thing

[vague token]

mainly used for pressure against good survivors

[vague token]

cus it’s still a required play style against some squads

[ripe bison]

On killers who CAN do that. A Hag or Trapper tunneling a person around the map isnt going to kill anyone

[maiden oyster]

Ranked mode isn't a solution, better match making is what we need.

[vague token]

well it kinda goes together matchmaking can be based on rank

[ripe bison]

And having a ranked mode aleviates this how?

[pure sable]

True, but it's Behavior. They'll find the most insane way to fuck it up.

[ripe bison]

Even if it wasnt behavior itd likely get fucked up

[vague token]

cus it could slow it down tunneling shouldn’t be completely removed as its a needed strat to 4k certain swfs

[ripe bison]

You arent answering my question

[vague token]

ye like every ranked in every game always sucks lol

[vague token]

whats ur question

[maiden oyster]

Yes and no, it should be skilled based not ranked. Ranked would unironically ruin the game ngl.

[ripe bison]

How does ranked mode aleviate the problem of tunneling being a necessity for specific killers against coordinated survivors?

[maiden oyster]

It doesn't

We need better matchmaking and better killer rewards for not tunneling.

[ripe bison]

More killers that arent purely microbased

[maiden oyster]

Just buff them, they need it. Micros are fine but they need to be balanced better.

[ripe bison]

Buffing Nurse, Blight, and Kaneki sounds like a wounderful idea

[pure sable]

I feel like survivors also have just so many ways to deny not only a pickup, but also a hook.
When there are 4 different ways to get a hook denied, then slugging should not be a surprising outcome.

[vague token]

you could either have a new ranked mode which rewards different ranked xp for fresh hooks and minus the rank xp for back to back hooks or they can just make player ranks to have a better matchmaking

[ripe bison]

yeah ultimately this is the problem

[maiden oyster]

No? You just stsrt doing buffs regarding specific killers and not blanket buffs based on the type of killer.

[pure sable]

But if tunneling caused you to have a lower rank, then many good players would purposefully tunnel to stay in low ranks, bullying weaker players.

Tunnelers would just treat Ranked like casual, and it would be an even easier experience

[maiden oyster]

Then they lose more, the game locks you from even kicking gens 💀

[vague token]

well you can do that anyways a ranked would at least give them a reason to not wanna bully new players plus a ranks would make it harder for killers to keep picking on survivors they would have to constantly keep deranking which is better than how easy it is now

if the killer keeps 4king bot lobbies they rank up and it should be harder to derank than rank up

[verbal lance]

"People might bully in casual" is such a dumb argument, that's basically what we already have.

[ripe bison]

Putting it super broadly I think the issue comes down to survivors having too much at their disposal against the killer, generator speeds, and how much more of a problem tunneling is with the best killers in the game who specifically benefit from it.

[maiden oyster]

Ranked isn't a solution and serves to create more issues

Blanket buffing doesnt work

Low end killers need buffs that only affect them

Killers that dont tunnel need to be rewarded better and fairly.

Skill isn't even taken into account with the games matchmaker bot. That needs to be resolved.

The survivor buffs, tunnel and slug reduction changes are not as big a deal as they would be if killer wasnt being given nearly nothing in return.

[ripe bison]

Disconnects affect MMR btw

Abandoned count as deaths or for the killer no kills

[vague token]

ranked would be good if done right and you would have to buff half the killers to make them even usable in half decent lobbies

[maiden oyster]

It wouldn't, sorry man.

[ripe bison]

you just keep repeating "it would be good if done right"

[maiden oyster]

Theres no way to make a ranked mode for this game work.

[vague token]

there is tho

[maiden oyster]

You haven't had a single decent idea on how it would be so far.

[pure sable]

Exactly. I agree with the tunnelling and slugging update, other than the fact the killer is given nothing.
A ton of lower tier killers NEED buffs, or at least slight reworks, and many S-Tier killers need nerfs.
A big problem with killers is the MASSIVE power difference between the higher and lower tier killers.

[vague token]

a ranked would help it so much so many ppl agree

[ripe bison]

a lot of people also think that basekit unbreakable is a good idea

or that the pallet changes are actually fine and killers are just whining

[maiden oyster]

Also if you have any power or perk that activates during it after a hook, the current buffs given for uniques get immediately disabled.

[vague token]

the games too hard to fix as is

[maiden oyster]

Absolutely no one with a brain would agree ngl

[pure sable]

I just don't think ranked would get enough players unless Behavior offered cosmetics for it, which Behavior is shown to not be super keen on giving free cosmetics.

[verbal lance]

Ranked if you queue in teams of 5 similar to comp would work fairly well from a balance point of view as both teams are on a level playing field. Asymm is impossible to balance in the 1v4.

[ripe bison]

Tbf it makes sense at face value until you think about it

[vague token]

a lot of the top killer mains agree its actually a good idea

[pure sable]

Yep. Wraith, one of the weaker killers, gets no buff 😭

[maiden oyster]

No it doesn't

[ripe bison]

Isn't Wraith generally regarded as a B tier by people who main him though

[maiden oyster]

None of the top killer mains should have an opinion cause they dont play survivor and are insanely bias.

[vague token]

they could even just have it how it is now like ash-iri but upgrade that to better matchmaking/better rewards

[maiden oyster]

And streamers are notorious for having abysmally bad takes

[ripe bison]

Unless theyre Scott or funny clown man

[maiden oyster]

Sure

[vague token]

well theyre the ones who know the most tbh

[maiden oyster]

English please

[ripe bison]

Otz has been advocating for basekit kindred for ages now and that would be a disaster

Shoulder the burden was also Otz's idea

[maiden oyster]

No they dont. They get paid to play a game and talk nonsense all day. Streamers affecting games is a genuine issue. They arent game devolpers.

Also, again, they are EXTREMELY BIAS.

[verbal lance]

Biased*

[pure sable]

Oooh, I stand corrected.
Even being a B-tier though, it's still definitely BS that the anti-tunnelling buffs (though they are basically useless anyway) don't even help him at all, since after a hook he will almost always immediately have to recloak.

[vague token]

ones im talking ab want whats best for the game not one particular side

[maiden oyster]

What's best for the game to them is whats best for them and their gameplay, their content.

[verbal lance]

At least it seems there is a strong consensus that the killer "bonus" for unique hooks is catastrophically underwhelming.

[vague token]

cus you cant fix slugging tunneling etc best option is a new rank to actually fix matchmaking

[ripe bison]

Theres also people like River and JC who's content is centered around ragefarming

[maiden oyster]

It shouldn't be deactivated for perks and abilities also and yes

[verbal lance]

Even if it didn't deactivate in those situations it would still be dogshit.

[maiden oyster]

Its people like you that cause issues for this game because you become hypnotized to one person's bias and cant make your own opinions.

[vague token]

games in a terrible state when it comes to the tunneling and slugging

[vague token]

ive been thinking they should add a ranked mode for years now

[maiden oyster]

And that has nothing to do in anyway with a ranked mode!

[maiden oyster]

Go play COD dude, they got Myers lmao

[vague token]

ranked mode would do so much you have no idea lol

[maiden oyster]

You have no idea, thats the problem...

[vague token]

know more than you lmao

[pure sable]

I feel tunneling and slugging can DEFINITELY be fixed in a way that's healthy for the game.
Maybe not in the pretty extreme way Behavior did it, but it can absolutely be done very well.

[maiden oyster]

Doubtful and that little spurt of self endorsement makes you look like a narcissist

[maiden oyster]

Agreed, ranked has nothing to do with it

[vague token]

theres a huge difference between solo q swfs good survivors and bad survivors you cant really fix much without having a rank/matchmaking system

[verbal lance]

Regardless of whether a new "ranked mode" would be benificial, the devs treating the game as casual creates these problems. Games are inherently competitive and players will look for the most effective ways to win, and average player skill will raise over time. Them holding on to this mindset that DBD is a casual game and should be balanced around people who have no idea how to play it is what creates most of these problems.

[vague token]

game makes it too easy for people to vs new players

[pure sable]

Yeah, I do agree one of the biggest issues is the massive skill difference between SWFs and solo queues, but that doesn't mean tunneling and slugging still can't be fixed in a healthy way.
I just think more options for communication, and information, for solo queues would also be a healthy addition to the game.

[maiden oyster]

I can agree, but integrating better skill based match making is a first step before ranked should ever be considered.

[ripe bison]

I seriously don't think this is the issue at all

[verbal lance]

Agree though I see them as two sides of the same coin.

[vague token]

yeah i guess just cant really be an effective way

[vague token]

ranked could be a way to fix matchmaking tho

[maiden oyster]

Yes and no, if we know the current match making doesnt work, ranked wouldn't either. We need to refine the formula and issues with casual before ranked is even on the table.

[verbal lance]

It is. Many of the devs' decisions cater to mid/low skill players without any thought for high skill players.

[maiden oyster]

You are an echo chamber for streamers bro

[vague token]

i dont even watch streamers smh

[maiden oyster]

So what killer mains we glazing then lmao

[ripe bison]

They changed the haste to bloodlust in the PTB specifically because of S tier killers.

[vague token]

definitely glazing

[verbal lance]

Which has nothing to do with my point.

[maiden oyster]

Thanks for confirmation you have no original thoughts.

[vague token]

literally does nothing lmao

[ripe bison]

yeah but neither here nor there

[vague token]

i just know whats best for the game

[maiden oyster]

Narcissists false narrative

[vague token]

giving 1k blood pints for killers selling the game isn’t what the game needs

[ripe bison]

That was a commonly requested thing for them to bring back though

[verbal lance]

It's like 48k max BP I think but yeah, BP is not a balance tool, it's a consolation prize.

[ripe bison]

The issue is that it comes off like they think thats enough

Survivors get colossal buffs and then killers get bloodpoints

[vague token]

yeah its just not balanced at all

[verbal lance]

And killer was already the higher-BP-earning role so it's a bit silly anyway. I mean it's welcome, but not as the primary thing killers get.

[ripe bison]

I genuinely think its fine

[vague token]

yeah its cool for it to be just added in but the way they did it is extremely unfair for killers

[ripe bison]

Like, peopel have been asking for this for ages now

Ever since they removed the bloodpoint bonus from BBQ people have been asking for it to be basekit

[verbal lance]

Yeah it's a fine thing on its own but they are framing it like "this is a sufficient reason not to tunnel" which is why it's so absurdly idiotic.

[ripe bison]

yeah

[verbal lance]

I don't play to earn BP, I play to have fun and (hopefully) win.

[vague token]

exactly its silly

[verbal lance]

BP is just an annoying side mechanic to give me stuff to make the matches interesting.

[pure sable]

It's just silly that Behavior goes 9 years without any SERIOUS nerfs to tunneling and slugging, and then suddenly they go "WE NEED TO SUPER NERF THEM NOW NOW NOW. FUCK DOING SMALL NERFS OVER TIME WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING NOW!!!!!"

[ripe bison]

what?

[verbal lance]

"We did a really poorly-designed poll that was biased toward the exact answers we mostly got so we need to do something about it."

[vague token]

thats what it feels like 😭

[ripe bison]

@pure sable You are aware that the endurance on unhook was added in an update to counter facecamping and tunneling right?

[verbal lance]

I still cannot wrap my head around how dumb that poll is, though honestly at this point I don't know why I expected anything different from BHVR.

[vague token]

yeah but thats not as serious as the nerfs they have in this ptb

[pure sable]

Ok, reword.
They have done serious nerfs, just none on such a high level as the current one. The massive jump is pretty insane.

[ripe bison]

I think youre underestimating how serious of an impact that mechanic's implementation had on the game

[verbal lance]

They need an actual statistician to do these polls instead of ChatGPT.

[vague token]

yeah but the jump is kinda insane like that was needed what they wanna do now is absurd

[ripe bison]

what poll are you talking about

[verbal lance]

The uninstall survey.

[vague token]

i like how that survey had zero questions about killers

[verbal lance]

You can pick up to 3 reasons you're uninstalling. Something like 6-7 options are complaints from a survivor POV, exactly 1 is from a killer's POV, and there's like 3-4 that could apply to both.

[ripe bison]

I see

[verbal lance]

It results in an insanely biased sampling, so they are proposing huge, sweeping changes based on poisoned data.

It also kind of further pushes the narrative that the devs mostly play survivor, because they could only come up with 1 thing killers may not like.

[ripe bison]

Reminds me of their supposed colossal tunneling numbers based on their data

numbers they got from terrible data extraction

[vague token]

i believe most people quit cus after playing survivor for a few games by yourself can just feel like a waste especially if you just do gens then die

[verbal lance]

Yeah. It's weird but it turns out if you start with really bad definitions, you can get the data to say almost anything. I wonder if politicians have figured that out yet, someone should tell them.

[ripe bison]

also reminds me of how disconnects effect killrates in data

[verbal lance]

Yep and this is 100% because of matchmaking.

[ripe bison]

killer abandoning after all 4 survivors disconnect counts as a full escape

[verbal lance]

I have something like 2.3k hours and I regularly get 30 hour survivors in my lobbies, shit is dumb.

[ripe bison]

wat

[verbal lance]

I am aware of how glicko works and high RD (provisional) will result in huge MMR swings (as it should) but it happens way too often to be new players with provisional ratings.

[vague token]

imagine if they added some new modes

would be so much better

a dbd prop hunt would be a w

[pure sable]

Let DbD have a modding community for custom games.
People would be going haywire.

[obtuse berry]

their metrics for most things are horrible

I.E: Skull Merchant killrate

[verbal lance]

TBH I like the 2v8 approach of prebuilt loadouts. I don't think they can do that at this point with the main game because there are too many perks to try to consolidate, plus people would be upset they can't use stuff they bought. Prebuilt loadouts would make the game much easier to balance.

But first, matchmaking needs to be fixed anyway.

[vague token]

theres so much more they could do i generally feel it would improve the game so much

[verbal lance]

They can't build a replay system, I doubt modding is on the table, in fact it's so far off the table it's not even in the house, it's somewhere lost in the forest.

[obtuse berry]

they need to bite the bullet and add gen speed or pallet spawn stats for each killer individually

[pure sable]

[verbal lance]

This game desperately needs a rewrite, but execs do not understand technical debt.

[obtuse berry]

just like how they have TR or movement speed differences

[vague token]

dbd mobile had a prop hunt why cant the actual game make one 😔

[verbal lance]

DBD mobile was not the same engine.

[pure sable]

There's a reason Twins and Houndmaster just completely break every update 😭

[vague token]

yeah ik but i feel like it wouldn’t be super hard to do

[verbal lance]

IIRC DBD is written in Blueprints. A visual, flowchart-ish coding language. I'm sure everything is super hard to do, and the pace we get new basic QoL features like filtering for perks is glacial as a result.

If it was rewritten in something better suited for this kind of game, those kinds of features would be a weekend project for an intern.

I guarantee that won't happen though. BHVR as a whole is rife with hubris and ego. They know what's best and we don't.

[ripe bison]

I feel like thats less an issue of hubris and ego and more an issue is management, costs, and time

Youre talking about redoing the entire gamr

[verbal lance]

Almost every bad decision they have ever made can easily be attributed to ego. See TWD live stream.

[ripe bison]

This would also involve hiring new employees and training people for the new base

[verbal lance]

Yes, a rewrite would take a bit of time. It's paying down technical debt. That always takes time.

[ripe bison]

Youre severely understating the ammount of work this would take.

[verbal lance]

In the meantime the interest accrues, which manifests in stuff taking longer to ship and it being buggier than it needs to be.

[ripe bison]

Additionally I dont think the DBD playerbase would enjoy not having content for a year

[verbal lance]

I quite literally work in software, I'm aware of how big of a project rewrites can be. We are in the middle of a multi-year rewrite of one product currently.

[ripe bison]

Alright

[verbal lance]

It doesn't mean no new content, it just means lower profits for shareholders for awhile because you need additional employees to work on that while the rest continue working on new content.

[vague token]

oh nvm then 😞

always wondered why there wasnt more modes

woulda been a good touch to the game

[verbal lance]

I also want to be clear that the people working on the code are generally not those I have a problem with, it's the people directing them.

[ripe bison]

Well yeah

Behavior's biggest problem is clearly management

Fact theyre using LLMs to assist their management kinda shows tbh

[vague token]

didnt dbd used to have a perk roulette mode

[verbal lance]

I get super frustrated with them because I love DBD and want it to be a healthy game but I feel like management and project leadership cannot stop tripping over their shoelaces day after day.

Chaos Shuffle, yes

[ripe bison]

It still has it. They just cancelled it the last time it was supposed to happen for technical reasons or something

[vague token]

Oh

[ripe bison]

Last one was supposed to be after the anniversary event but it got cancelled and the anniversary event was extended

[vague token]

Yeah i remember playing it a long time ago but never seen or heard of it since coming back was surprised when they brung 2v8 back

[verbal lance]

Meanwhile, Lights Out sits forgotten in the corner.

[ripe bison]

Lights Out sucks tbf

[verbal lance]

It's fun in small doses, like 2v8.

[vague token]

Do they still have that

[verbal lance]

They haven't done LO in at least a year.

[ripe bison]

Its on the stat tracker

[vague token]

The dark made it fun

[pliant lichen]

Did they remove the scratch mark color change option

[rotund otter]

It hasnt been added yet

[pliant lichen]

Oh dang

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[native aspen]

The 9.3.0 PTB is closed.

This channel will be reopened for the next PTB, thank you!

[raven flume]

Well?

[zealous storm]

PTB stream at all??

[trim mural]

There should be in a hour

[zealous storm]

They're doing it at release time? Usually they do it an hour before

[heavy helm]

yo any devs here? when is ptb , since this channel opened i suppose its soon

[undone breach]

Ptb would go live in a hour it should be an hour before

[trim mural]

I think last time they did it at release time in not sure about the streaming I don’t usually watch it

[zealous storm]

Its in 1 hour......at 11am EST

[junior gorge]

is there gonna be a code or how do u get in the ptb?

[trim mural]

If you let me finish typing

[trim mural]

On steam in beta for dbd

[junior gorge]

yeah it says code

[heavy helm]

ima just keep refreshing the page

[trim mural]

You gotta wait till they release the ptb in 58mins

[heavy helm]

look above

[gleaming sentinel]

is it out?

[heavy helm]

nah everyone says it releases in an hour

[gleaming sentinel]

ah alr

[zealous storm]

55 minutes until PTB

[paper sail]

vecna the second

[zealous storm]

The Flayed, Henry Creel, curious what name they are giving

[lofty glen]

omg vecna from dead by daylight is coming to dead by daylight

[paper sail]

the henry

[zealous storm]

The Creel

[dusk sonnet]

The One 🗿

[paper sail]

im assuming its going to be the first or something

[zealous storm]

The Flayed One

[dusk sonnet]

prolly the telepath idk
smth with his power
could be the flayed tho

[barren viper]

The Henry

[undone breach]

Stranger thing

[dusk sonnet]

the thing

[zealous storm]

The Strangest Thing

[smoky moth]

ptb will be at 5 p.m.?

[undone breach]

ITS CLOBBERIN' TIME!!

[undone breach]

50 minute left

[paper sail]

the vecna

[worn bluff]

why is vecna kinda hot...

[worn bluff]

wait is that confirmed?

[barren viper]

(no)

there's no way you thought that was a serious title 😭

[smoky moth]

I hope there will be a skin for Vecna where he is in human form.

[barren viper]

agreed, that'd be an instant buy for me

[undone breach]

Facing against the henry

[lofty glen]

The Henry

[zealous storm]

45 minutes until PTB

[worn bluff]

although that would be funny, but they might just name him "vecna" because they names demogorgon demogorgon

[barren viper]

A character's actual name has never been their title though

[smoky moth]

[barren viper]

Demogorgon is more like a species

[zealous storm]

Vecna is the name of DND's Lich in the game, they likely will name him something else

[paper sail]

especially if its his mr whatsit outfit

[zealous storm]

The Flayed One or The One

[worn bluff]

ik, they're both (loosely) relative, but I have no idea what they could name him

[undone breach]

Xenomorph too

[barren viper]

Exactly

[raven flume]

their twitch says theres a scheduled stream for 10am..

[zealous storm]

Guess we will see

[undone breach]

They are just a member of species

[worn bluff]

...what about my boy clown 😭 🥀

[barren viper]

The Jeffrey

[zealous storm]

Oh?

[raven flume]

yeah..

[undone breach]

Clown is not his actual name

[smoky moth]

Does anyone know what abilities Vecna will have in DBD? I’m afraid he might end up being a niche killer again.”

[zealous storm]

You sure its for today and not the last stream in December?

[barren viper]

No info yet

[raven flume]

positive

[undone breach]

We will learn in 40 minutes

[worn bluff]

I'm hoping like a flaying mechanic

[raven flume]

go look

[paper sail]

will the base outfit be his s5 appearance?

[zealous storm]

I only see December?

[worn bluff]

please bhvr give us a Mr whatsit outfit

[fathom bane]

i think the embargo drops in about 20 with the PTB confirmed for (well, confirmed as in" without technical issues/delays) 40minutes

[smoky moth]

I hope so

[raven flume]

go to schedule it says they have a scheduled live for 1/6 at 10am

[smoky moth]

It would be an interesting power if he could shift to the other side and haunt survivors through lights, like in the movie

[carmine nimbus]

I hope we got hawkins rework

[fathom bane]

i think we are getting a new variant of it

[carmine nimbus]

Fuck my chunges life

[fathom bane]

which will include the rainbow room

[zealous storm]

I'm on the schedule rn, there's nothing there

[raven flume]

add me rq

i have it pulled up

[zealous storm]

I'm rewatching the December stream to see if they said if they were going to stream today or not

[smoky moth]

We’re talking only about Vecna. There will also be Eleven and Dustin. I’ll definitely be playing Eleven.

[weak solar]

Will pinhead be available in the ptb? Apparently he was in the last one

[fathom bane]

El/Jane and Dustin will be the survivors, and im psure Robin is a skin

[smoky moth]

I don't think so

[raven flume]

well on my end the january 6 schedule says they were supposed to go live and its highlited red for 10am-11am

if i go back to days before its not highlited

[zealous storm]

Robin & Eddie P100

[lofty glen]

thats just cuz they made a change to him in that ptb

[fathom bane]

Likely not. HE was in it due to a pinhead change

[paper sail]

dustin gull

[fathom bane]

Robin and Steagull

[paper sail]

eddie gull

[smoky moth]

[warm field]

there won't be any livestream before the ptb this time?

[spiral parrot]

Whens it coming out in uk time?

[tropic whale]

30 minutes

[zealous storm]

30 minutes until PTB

[paper sail]

im crazy wtf

[tribal tartan]

turn back the clock perk sounds cool ngl

[dark jungle]

Do PTB patch notes come out early? Maybe not

[tender flame]

Where's the ptbbbb

[cold sun]

28 min

[dense crown]

im so hyped

[tender plume]

how to join in ptb?

[queen peak]

Pooping my pants excited

[delicate cliff]

"the first" ... srly ? whats up with that naming

[tender plume]

its not in betas

[opal sequoia]

is ptb already out

[vast garden]

Dude this is gonna be gas

[worn bluff]

wait are the ptb patch notes gonna release when the ptb does?

[barren viper]

we already have patch notes, see #dbd-announcements

[placid rapids]

HOUNDMASTER LEAKED FOR 2v8

[rough bone]

PTB patch notes are already out

[placid rapids]

OMGGG

[barren viper]

PATCH NOTES https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/kb/articles/533-9-4-0-ptb-patch-notes

[sharp vigil]

soo like how do you get the ptb again

[opal sequoia]

its not in beta

[sullen crypt]

TURN BACK THE CLOCK
Perk seems really convenient for saving time as killer

[vast garden]

He can enter the upside down like straight up?? At least buff demo :(

[compact bobcat]

I can't access the ptb yet

[rough bone]

is the PTB not available on Steam yet?

[sullen crypt]

The upside down seems like it could be a better xenomorph tunnel depending on how it's designed, tbh

[placid rapids]

BUFF PYRAMID HEADS M2 TRAVEL TIME PLZ

[opal sequoia]

i still dont see itr

[inner zealot]

bro 4 zombies and 35% speed increase

[chilly arch]

PTB will be out at 11am on Steam

[opal sequoia]

in eu time

[lone stream]

40/50/60 or is it supposed to be 60/50/40?

[compact bobcat]

what timezone

[chilly arch]

EST / ET (can never remember which one we're in)

[placid rapids]

PLS @chilly arch BUFF PYRAMIDHEAD

[foggy tusk]

new hex perk seems good

[inner zealot]

survivors AINT surviving

[keen sedge]

Chucky in 2v8??

[lone stream]

Edt

[tribal tartan]

Dang dustins perks are cool

[compact bobcat]

oki thank you

[rough bone]

so in 25 minutes, okay

[lone stream]

Normally est

[barren viper]

The timer gets higher to give you more time to use the perk

[vast garden]

Trapping windows like bubba needed more counters

[brittle valley]

NEMMY EATING SO GOOD THIS 2V8

[sullen crypt]

FOUR ZOMBIES?

[vast garden]

QUICK WHAT DO WE NAME THEM

[lone stream]

Ohhh wording

[sullen crypt]

IT'S TRUE!!
4 ZOMBIE NEMESIS

[keen sedge]

The new killers no krasue but he's OK ig

[brittle valley]

CARL AND JENOVAN

[worn bluff]

SECRET PROJECT IS A TAD UNFAIR??

[lofty elk]

bro when is chaos coming back 😭

[inner zealot]

[proven cradle]

wait, no
no, non onon

they're adding an event mode TO THE PTB???

[rotund rampart]

four zombie nemi im gonna cry WHYYYY

[formal moss]

when is it starting

[nocturne vigil]

[opal sequoia]

some1 pin this

[inner zealot]

survivors AINT surviving

[lime ferry]

is the pbt out?

[worn bluff]

TURN BACK THE CLOCK IS LIKE A POP AND SURGE!! THATS INSANE

[opal sequoia]

23 mins

[lime ferry]

thanks

[opal sequoia]

np

[inner zealot]

atp js add a rpg already

[undone oracle]

<t:1767715200:R>

[tepid ivy]

Just took a 7 minute nap

[keen sedge]

No new map sucks tbh

[opal sequoia]

nd make it cost 10k bloodpoints

[sullen crypt]

I'm wondering if extrasensory perception let's the survivor see the killer's aura. That might be slightly concerning.

[inner zealot]

word

[native grove]

NEW SURVIVOR CLASS: TORCHBEARER
Class Skill:

Starts with Flashlight of uncommon rarity.
Class Skill charges over 60 seconds, granting a Flash Grenade when fully charged.
Behaves like an ability; does not take up any item slot.
Press the Active Ability button 2 to activate the Flash Grenade.

[vast garden]

Kinda sad we aren’t getting vecna demo and d&d vecna in 2v8

[foggy tusk]

holy crap prove thyself + full circuit would be a goated doubling gens combo

[tepid ivy]

Are notes out yet?

[haughty hazel]

the ptb isnt showing up for me on steam any idea how to get it to work?

[native grove]

💀

[tacit kindle]

so when is it dropping anyway?

[opal sequoia]

BRING BACK PIN HEAD FOR A WHILE

[inner zealot]

knocks down all survivors on the map ahh skill

[keen sedge]

PTB IN 22 MINUTES

[undone oracle]

they cant

[opal sequoia]

[pliant ridge]

No demo buffs????

[opal sequoia]

oh right license

[foggy tusk]

haha

[queen peak]

Nemesis zombies 35% speed???

[finite anchor]

noooo i wish…

[sullen crypt]

Bada Bada Boom + Chemical Trap

[brittle valley]

literally all the ST2 perks sound at minimum viable. some of them sound kinda insane lowk. they FINALLY managed to give killer new actually good perks

[craggy mortar]

YES NEMESIS HAS MORE ZOMBUES

[pliant ridge]

Dont haha ☹️☹️☹️

[finite anchor]

These are cool

[unkempt loom]

flashlight class in 2v8 good lord😭 😭

[native grove]

wym survivors in 2v8 will have flashlights, flashbangs

[pliant ridge]

Only for 2v8 i believe

[sullen crypt]

Teamwork: Full Circuit + Prove Thyself

[finite anchor]

NO BRO WTFFF …

[tribal tartan]

What do you guys think about Dustin's perks guys?

[craggy mortar]

still good

[finite anchor]

Dustybun heyy

[queen peak]

Better than elevens

[brittle valley]

• soft spoken

[undone oracle]

5% is kinda mid, just put deja vu ngl

[tribal tartan]

hi

[finite anchor]

Will here

[foggy tusk]

wait did they add survivor classes or something

[vast garden]

Wait did they add custom terror radiuses for 2v8??? Maybe Dracula is finally playable

[keen sedge]

This chapter seems kinda meh to me idk

[sullen crypt]

That's true, but deja vu is naturally a bit more selective

[tribal tartan]

i see, i see

[scarlet elbow]

Eleven perks are so bad

[sly jay]

I was hoping for a perk that go against the killer for eleven 😭