ptb-discussion

[autumn mirage]

And keep stacking shit like the "QoL" pallet density acting as if it wasnt one of the worst changes on years

[verbal lance]

The one dev struggling to catch a bot during the dev stream really revealed a lot about why they make the changes they do TBH.

[autumn mirage]

Also when talking of survivors they always say they main survivor or say "we as survivors" and more

Having devs that dont even play the side they say is OP and being handhelded

Is so fucking bad....

[carmine plank]

[autumn mirage]

And literally no one wins since survivors will have worst matchs with less variety since killers cant play fun or else they have an awful time, killers who try to not play all S tier and meta will be unhappy, soloQ will be in middle of the fire and repeat

[odd locust]

b-but they have their labels in excel, based on which it says that killers are op and everything, and they have to nerfs lots of addons and everything because ppl play only with specific few of them 🥲 its not that most of the addons are completely useless bullshit

[autumn mirage]

Oh i deffinitly love Unkown case were they constantly nerf his good addons then give the most unimportant buffs to his useless addons and call it "balance"

[hard phoenix]

Its ok, he can look up at an 80 degree angle now so everything is balanced.

[autumn mirage]

And the whole "40% of matches got tunneling" but then you see what they consider tunnel..... Or that when you uninstall you got ZERO killer reasons to why you did and only option is "slugging" or "tunneling"

[dusty edge]

@odd locust 🚫➡️ Your message content contains flagged text

[autumn mirage]

Yayyy now i can work my ass to land a complicate shoot that doesnt mean anything because if i miss next one my whole pressure is gone

[verbal lance]

Yeah their definition of tunneling is so terrible.

Being hooked twice in a row does not mean tunneling happened.

[autumn mirage]

The fact that hooking someone on endgame with 0 hooks as the other 3 escape counts as tunneling...

[autumn mirage]

Literally and even worst in situations were they literally run towards you with the endurance

[odd locust]

or when survivors keep on bodyblocking you after unhook so you just have to go and hook that person because you cant do anything else, but yeah its tunneling

[trail halo]

ngl being able to unhook urself fully healed is fucking crazy

[autumn mirage]

Like tf i am suppose to do? They body block the heal teammated why shouldnt i go for you?

[odd locust]

wait what?

[trail halo]

oh you poor soul

[verbal lance]

Stack Wicked with Resurgence

[autumn mirage]

Literally, the endurance shouldnt work if the survivors is 8 meters away from other

[odd locust]

i didnt really read anything bout perk changes so

[trail halo]

new wicked + resurgence = fully healed off hook in basement

[verbal lance]

Plus you can unhook yourself into the heal

[autumn mirage]

Now babysitter gives 30 seconds aura reading of the killer after unhooking someone

[crystal heart]

What about babysitter putting the killer in a situation to either tunnel the survivor with elusive ( no sound , no scratchmarks ) and 10% haste for 30 seconds OR the unhooker with 30 seconds of wall hacks on the killer

[verbal lance]

Add in plot twist, run to basement when injured and plot twist. The killer cannot leave you or you heal, they cannot hook you or you unhook yourself healed.

[crystal heart]

Exactly!

[pine aspen]

Trapper nerfs

[crystal heart]

Otz tested it, basement trapper is impossible now

[autumn mirage]

Now you got 2 survivors you literally cannot chase

[crystal heart]

Survivor unhooks themselves before trapper puts down 3 traps lmao

[trail halo]

trapper basement is absolutely impossible now because of the new resolve bar for camping

[pine aspen]

Deerstalker stonks

[autumn mirage]

Also unhook yourself with 50% of healing progress and there is 0 noise notification!!!

[crystal heart]

And guess what, the other 2 are working on gens on the other side of the map

[verbal lance]

If you stack Wicked and Resurgence you come off the basement hook fully healed.

[autumn mirage]

Yayyy now basement is fucking survivor sided

[crystal heart]

Who benefits from this? Blight, nurse, dracula , ghoul high tier killers with mobility

[trail halo]

ngl resurgence shouldnt be that strong in the first place

[eager egret]

the matchmaking in this ptb is genuinely horrible

[autumn mirage]

And if you dare to go to them the guy with 30 seconds aura reading will snitch your ass, is lose lose situation

[odd locust]

so deerstalker, 2-3 anti-genrush perks because you need them for your game to not end within 5 minutes of it starting. So im calling it here, deerstalker nerf incoming and more antigenrush perks nerfs

[trail halo]

if resurgence was like 30% maybe it would be better but also wicked does NOT need that buff bro

[verbal lance]

There is no MMR-based matchmaking in PTB.

[trail halo]

im pretty sure theres no mmr in the ptb yeah

[pine aspen]

And a basement fullheal doesnt even solve facecamping with killers like bubba or myers

[eager egret]

no wonder

[pine aspen]

So what did they even do

[crystal heart]

Exactly, this buffs SWFS and high tier killers, ghost face can't even use the bloodlust because he loses it the second he gets into power XDD

[autumn mirage]

And dont forget with 0 noise notification, you make 0 noise, you can see the killer aura and put anything else you feel like even dead gard

[trail halo]

it does with myers but not bubba bcs he can double hit

or not that specifically, mainly just the endurance

[autumn mirage]

"b-but SWFs are rare!!!! They dont matter!"

[pine aspen]

Mainly referring to his really good chase alongside his instadown

[crystal heart]

Bro whoever uses that excuse is eating so much shit it's unbelieveable, at least 50% of my games have 2 or 3 swfs

[trail halo]

instadown doesnt matter if you have endurance

[autumn mirage]

I think the only killer now that can camp basement is Hag with her Iri addon

[trail halo]

honestly i find the fact you can dead hard pinheads chains even more funny

[crystal heart]

Bubba works too

[autumn mirage]

Is fucking stupid

[crystal heart]

Btw, pinhead has 2 identical addons now because the devs forgot about one of them

[trail halo]

errrr no one of them is 6% and one is 8%!!!!!!! /s

[pine aspen]

Rip phead the stair god

[crystal heart]

https://tenor.com/view/otzdarva-rage-dead-by-daylight-otz-gif-19381005

[autumn mirage]

I mean now they will have endurance + dead hard + borowed time countering slugging

[odd locust]

in the same way that dracula has addons that have same description but do diff things or they actually are the same?

[crystal heart]

As long as they dont have ds bubba still doesnt care, double hits them

[autumn mirage]

Also now survivors got 0 reason to leave gens when basement since their team can just leave any moment they want

[crystal heart]

No, the 2 pinhead addons do the exact same thing, but one has aura reading for 6 seconds, the other has aura reading for 8 seconds

[autumn mirage]

Yayyy even more genrush!!!

[crystal heart]

Also, do you gamers know

That Styptic is mathematically worse than the 8 charge brown addon for the medkit

[pine aspen]

I understand how this game is difficult to balance with top-tiers making good changes overturned by being too good at using them, but it’s their own fault for making these top killers so good for so fucking long

[odd locust]

nah, this game is difficult to balance because of those scummy casual players who cry the loudest, and then devs who dont play their game follow what those animals say

[pine aspen]

It can be both

[crystal heart]

Also, also! For the ones who enjoyed furtive chase as a perk, no reason to use it, since we get bloodlust after hooking now, just use Beast Of Prey , which gives 40 seconds of undetectable after ( unique? ) hook, every hook , instead of hooking an obsession 5 times in order to get -50% terror radius

[glass fox]

you can also combine rapid brutality with it now

[crystal heart]

Also another very funny thing

The moment you get into chase you lose bloodlust right? How many times did you guys have the situation where you hook someone , and a survivor is close? Pretty often huh? Well, now they can make it guaranteed that you lose the bloodlust if they run near you 🙂

[glass fox]

well

beast of prey's undetectable still lingers

[crystal heart]

So survivors got a ton of stuff, and killer, literally nothing because survivors are just going to cancel the bloodlust XD

[glass fox]

so even if the blood lust is cancelled early the undetectable does not

[pine aspen]

Also no risk to aggresively unhook cuz the hooked surv can bodyblock forever

[stiff prism]

Whoever made these ideas, ptb or not, it’s not okay (coming from survivor pov) this isn’t fair for killer, now the only killers I see are blights, why? Cuz this ptb GUTTED every killer but blight and nurse

[crystal heart]

Nurse is gutted since now you can sprint burst 3 times in a row

[odd locust]

killers got nothing? Thats just propaganda. We get like 1-2k BPs more in total for hooking survivors, its really fair change

[autumn mirage]

And the devs refuse to treat the game for what it is but rather are stubborn on being "what we ambicion" then every fucking thing they do gets abused by survivor and they clean their hands

[pine aspen]

Not looking forward to learning singularity anymore

[autumn mirage]

Not like survivors get always 1.5x 24/7 fr fr

[crystal heart]

Well not gutted, but very weak vs sprint burst + syringe, add in bloodrush on top of that and u have triple sprint burst, the question is, who wants to play vs that? no one...

[pine aspen]

Overwhelming presence gaming

[stiff prism]

Oh just blight than

[odd locust]

nurse is in quite bad shape lately tbf, had lots of situations where i play her, and the blink just cancels or sth. For example, hook in basement -> try to blink out of basement -> appear outside of basement -> re-appear second later in basement again

[autumn mirage]

I will go on the PTB when i get home and just find how to counter this, they gutt all strats? Sure i will fucking do something worst

[odd locust]

or just straight up cant blink through stuff like cars etc

[crystal heart]

I play blight a lot and can consider myself a main and i dont really care, but literally every other killer in the game is going to feel like they got hit by a truck by these changes

Bro, even kaneki can't keep up with triple speed burst XD

Also! Add in vigil and ghost notes, make that a quadruple sprint burst ( if you can walk for 22 seconds while in chase, which vs baby killers is possible, so now this is a nerf to new killers aswell )

[odd locust]

didnt kaneki lose lately that thing where if he dashes fast enough he maintans momentum between dashes?

[crystal heart]

Pretty sure kaneki can still keep momentum

[weak jay]

why am i not able to use medkit + syringe on PTB? i don't get the pop up of using the syringe at all..

[crystal heart]

But considering survivors can cosplay blight whenever they feel like it with the right build, it doesnt matter

[crystal heart]

You need to heal and while healing press the prompt

[weak jay]

yeh i did that, it does not show up at all, on Live it works strangely..

[crystal heart]

Could be a ptb bug i guess

[odd locust]

also back to SWFs being rare for a second...just take a look at all those vc channels below lol

[native aspen]

are you exhausted?

[crystal heart]

This isnt even like 5% of all the swfs in dbd

[weak jay]

no i wasn't

[odd locust]

yeah was bout to say that as well

[native aspen]

they changed syringe to recover exhaustion

[crystal heart]

Ah, there you go, you needed to be exhausted to reset exhaustion

[native aspen]

it doesn't heal over time anymore

[weak jay]

ah, ty, ty

[autumn mirage]

Damm i love lossing furtive chase for the most useless crap 15 seconds bloodlust!!!! Killers cant keep winning so much

Not only we get nothing but we get NERFED???

[crystal heart]

This and last ptb is just such a disappointment man

[brittle mantle]

My take on the changes is that survivors actually get buffs to win a game, while killers get buffs not related to the current game they are in (you get blood points which is fine I guess)

[crystal heart]

Just give survivors guns at this point

[verbal lance]

The mentality seems to be "don't let the killer punish survivor mistakes" which is just a crazy way to design a game.

[crystal heart]

Bloodlust doesn't matter , it gets canceled by survivors easily and also half or more of the roster can't benefit because they can't use their power , so killers got literally nothing

[brittle mantle]

Like I don’t mind the survivor buffs on unhook to make tunneling harder

But why do killers not get anything for playing like the devs want them to

[brittle mantle]

Basically

[odd locust]

be honest actually, when even was there last ptb that actually was fun. Most of them is just "copy-paste" killers, more surv buffs because casuals who lose to killers make the stats in excel show that killers are op or some complete dogshit nerfs to killer perks/addons

[crystal heart]

And there is babysitter existing which is just 30 seconds of wallhacks which swfs can use for call outs , so they are buffing swfs

[fresh tulip]

Killers getting the oldest child treatment

[brittle mantle]

They could have just kept the unique hook buffs for killers and maybe it would be fine

But nah

[crystal heart]

One person in a swf can bump the whole groups escape rate to over 75% easily

[daring vessel]

Is it me or is it really hard to find a match as Killer on PTB? When I queue as survivor I find a match instantly.

[verbal lance]

They didn't want to "handhold" killers but doing the same for survivors is ok I guess, because of reasons.

[misty yew]

If someone combines wicked with resurgence, will they just automatically heal?

[native aspen]

Mismatch of number of killers vs survivors. Too many killers playing

[verbal lance]

If hooked in basement, yes.

[crystal heart]

Even previous buffs were bad , for example huntress can't kick gens as comfortably as a killer with a movement ability which let's them catch up to survivors afterwards , last ptb was a buff only to killers with movement powers imo

[daring vessel]

As you said that I finally found a match after minutes of queuing lol.

[brittle mantle]

Like they clearly understood that the punishments for tunneling were very harsh on killers and removed them, instead they buff unhooked survivors which honestly that’s fair. You CAN still tunnel but now just putting more time into it that could be better elsewhere. That’s great

So why did we remove the killer buffs

[misty yew]

Not sure if this is a hot take or not but I find that to be beyond idiotic.

[odd locust]

there isnt rlly point in doing that. You get 30s of endurance and every buff you can think of anyway

[south flume]

these patch notes are ass

[glass fox]

love how mindbreaker is still kill switched in ptb

[odd locust]

what even was the problem with mindbreaker? xd

[crystal heart]

All they need to do, is add basekit regression on hooks, or gen block, anything to help with that and as a killer i'd gladly welcome it, hell give me basekit grim embrace, something that i can actually use

[hardy hornet]

Perma exhaustion

[glass fox]

infinite exhaustion apparently

[native aspen]

The killer buffs were in place as a counterbalance of the punishments, with no punishments the buffs aren't balanced out.

[hardy hornet]

NGL I like these changes

[daring vessel]

They still haven't fixed that survivors can see hidden offerings either.

[brittle mantle]

Yeah killers like huntress or trickster who have to take time to do other stuff (lockers) benefit less from them. Though at least it was something,

[crystal heart]

Either pain res base kit or grim embrace base kit and it would be fine with me

[glass fox]

so can killers

[hardy hornet]

It's better then previous ptb but could use a few tweaks still

[glass fox]

I have seen hatch offerings

[odd locust]

So now as counterbalance for killers to make it fair, there is almost nonexistent bloodlust and you get a scraps in form of few thousands BPs thrown at you lmao

[crystal heart]

Same

Bro if these changes get to live...pfff

[native aspen]

I mean, sure. It was a tunneling reduction update not a killer buff update.

[hardy hornet]

The syringe and bottle changes are great imo

[crystal heart]

So as a killer you are fine with playing vs a person that has 3 sprint bursts back to back?

[native aspen]

The goal is to bring tunneling down in any way, buffing killers exclusively is not necessarily going to accomplish that.

[hardy hornet]

Going against a swf with 4 syringes was horrific

[south flume]

the main problem is that they misunderstand why killers tunnel to begin with

[glass fox]

at least it's not the "game ruined" ptb like the last one

[hardy hornet]

2 not 3 and yes

[odd locust]

none of this should even come live in the first place. Just get better, there is also so many perks that you can pick, even one person in team to just counter most of the things but nahhh

[crystal heart]

Add bloodrush

[misty yew]

In the hands of a good survivor, the syringe change is a buff. For lower MMR survivors, it's probably a nerf.

[native aspen]

You can still tunnel in this version, it's just slightly harder.

[hardy hornet]

True didn't think of that

[glass fox]

Nurse is the only killer reasonably nerfed by this

[crystal heart]

It's making the game go in the same direction though, going from a F tier update to a D tier one that will most likely need constant changes in order to not be unplayable is going to inevitably kill the game

[hardy hornet]

But still yes I would rather that then have my hit just get nullified by a button press

[glass fox]

Blight just says fuck you to triple sprint burst anyways

[crystal heart]

Well, now you're never going to catch anyone, so pick your poison lol

Also, do you like playing vs a person who has 30 seconds of wallhacks vs you? Maybe they are also in a SWF so they are calling out your every move every second to their teammates

[glass fox]

aura is 10 seconds only now

[crystal heart]

Babysitter btw

[autumn mirage]

But there is no counterbalance for the amount of help and strengh survivors get? Why we apply a logic that is only applied to a single side but doesnt affect the other

[hardy hornet]

I have no problem with catching players with sprint burst (I'm a huntress main)

[crystal heart]

Not many people run in the open bro XD

[native aspen]

Not every change requires a compensation to the other side. They're not trying to keep things exactly at the same level they were before, they're trying to reduce tunneling.

[autumn mirage]

It was a survivor buff update and killer nerf, leaving the game on a one sided state is not a healthy update but simply ruined experience

[hardy hornet]

You'd be surprised how dumb survivors can be

[crystal heart]

Depends on mmr

[hardy hornet]

I'm mid to high mmr

I'm getting p100 survivor almost every game

[native aspen]

Their goal is to reduce tunneling. If it has an adverse effect on the rest of the game, but accomplishes that goal, then they can buff other areas safely.

[hardy hornet]

Exactly

[autumn mirage]

I talk about counterbalance for survivor, why can they just get straight up buffs with 0 downsides but killer is other logic?

[odd locust]

Speaking of, where is nerf to bardic inspiration and 2-3-4 combo or whatever that perk was called, or stake out + hyperfocus. With which you can do single gen in matter of 20-40s

[crystal heart]

Same, and mine dont let me ever do that when i play a ranged killer, i can only imagine how it is to play with even double sprint burst, let alone someone having bloodrush with vigil and ghost notes, not only they lose scratchmarks hella fast , but also regen their perks very quickly

[brittle mantle]

Generally speaking people are much more likely to do what you want by rewarding them for not doing X things, rather than punishing them for doing X things

Thats why survivors have the buffs they have for unhooks which is to make tunneling harder and not worth your time

So what we have is that we made tunneling harder via survivors getting buffs on unhook. Killers play correctly and get nothing

[native aspen]

Any survivor buff is a killer nerf and any killer buff is a survivor nerf, no?

[brittle mantle]

Not necessarily

Kinda depends

[crystal heart]

1-2-3-4 and bardic is a waste of time, just run hyperfocus stakeout built to last and deja vu, so you dont spend 30 seconds playing songs instead of doing a gen

[autumn mirage]

Nut they nerfed completly one of the few perks that insentivates spread hooks, gave no reason to spread hooks since bloodlust gives 0 help and only insentivates to keep tunneling and slugging since this changes arent reliant on you slugging/tunneling but buffs that will be there no matter what you do

[odd locust]

you spend that moment playing it yeah, but you can apply it to other survs, so even without perks they can without a problem other gen under minute

[hardy hornet]

It's all about map draw and finding funny angles that make the survivors dc the second they get hit from it

[verbal lance]

It gets worse if you add plot twist. You can run to the basement when injured and in chase and plot twist. The killer can't walk away because of PT but if they hook you, you unhook healed for free. It's so dumb.

[autumn mirage]

Nerfing a killer perk is a killer nerf which they did with furtive chase while every single rework perk on survivor was a buff

[hardy hornet]

I should test that

[autumn mirage]

This is not even survivors fault is just the devs

[brittle mantle]

I will say. The furtive change isn’t bad cause the idea is pretty neat with a decent enough reward killers like death slinger would greatly benefit w monitor/abuse

but also….the perk was fine we could have just made this another perk

[glass fox]

devs catered to the casuals too much

[hardy hornet]

It fits ghost face more imo

[hardy hornet]

Like they should

[autumn mirage]

Also if you add to it wicked and resurgance you are unhooked already healed

[crystal heart]

Just run Beast of Prey, 40 seconds undetectable for unique hooks instead of having to hook the obsession 5 times to reduce terror radius by 50%

[glass fox]

but at what point do they start catering to casual killers

[misty yew]

So many perks turned into healing related stuff. How are survivors still functioning with all the pain killers they must take every match?

[crystal heart]

Bro, imagine you're new, and a survivors speeds across the map randomly after you hit them XD

[autumn mirage]

They wont because they dont even give them a voice, there is literally 0 option when uninstalling the game for killers is only "slugging" or "tunneling"

[autumn mirage]

Plague stocks will raise

[crystal heart]

Or even better, imagine how frustrating it must be for a new killer to go vs a survivor that has new babysitter

[autumn mirage]

Imagine hooking on basement walking away them that survivor unhooked and is already healed

[hardy hornet]

The casual killer is almost always a 3k vs casual survivors and because survivors make up most of the games playerbase they want the casual survivors to stay to keep the game running which is entirely understandable from a longevity standpoint

[odd locust]

If you are fixing something with your car, would you listen to what your mechanic friend has to say or would you ask a random woman who has no idea what X car brand even is instead?

[misty yew]

She is one of my mains, so I'm not fully complaining, but as Onyrō as my default main, this is gonna feel like hell since she's a hit and run killer

[glass fox]

but I mean is this the reputation you want dbd to have? The asym game where the power role isn't even the stronger side

[crystal heart]

LMFAO

[autumn mirage]

Is like asking a dude who worked in your company for a week for advice rather than one who worked there 4 years

[hardy hornet]

It is the stronger side already

[odd locust]

on the other side you have Oni that now gets punished for using his ability lol

[autumn mirage]

Also now 3 SB so you cant even condemm them since they can run out of range

[glass fox]

no, it's shfited towards survivors long ago

[brittle mantle]

The guy who uses his ability on hook

[autumn mirage]

Also lets remember last update bring a meta gen rush perk and now we got meta healing

[misty yew]

I want to see BHVRs killer hours. I just wanna confirm they at least play the role beyond getting footage.

[crystal heart]

around 50% of the killers are in the same boat, especially the weaker ones like ghost face ( loses bloodlust if uses power ) ,huntress , trickster ( which have to open a locker to reload which wastes time of bloodlust), etc , also god forbid you break a pallet after hooking someone because bye bye bloodlust, its so dumb XD

[hardy hornet]

Wrong

[winged kraken]

the hud is bugged on widescreen in the ptb

[daring vessel]

I usually can't see them when I play killer.

[autumn mirage]

And you cant even clutch anymore, imagne you get a toxic and manage to 4 man slug at endgame with 2 hooks now they dont even need unbreakable they can just keep walking over you

[autumn mirage]

They dont even play just watch any time they play killer or that one dev who does streams

[winged kraken]

hud elements ignore the aspect ratio set in settings and uses the aspect ratio of your monitor

[raven flume]

They want to kill the game again, they didn't learn anything since the last time geez

[hardy hornet]

If you play low to mid mmr you will experience loss after loss after loss as survivor and that's what the devs want to change because the casual survivors are leaving because the killers are to hard to go against granted for the most part it's a skill issue but if your a dad who just got off work and wanted to play a game for fun only to lose to the killer at 4 gens left would you continue to play? No you wouldn't because it wasn't fun and with the limited time you have to have fun you play something else

[brittle mantle]

Sadly

[crystal heart]

And by doing so they overbuff one side in order to balance around low mmr and so completely mess up mid - high mmr ? ( the people actually giving them money on skins, chapters , characters )

[autumn mirage]

Only DBD killer is DBD devs

[hardy hornet]

Stop being so overdramatic this ain't game killing in the slightest

[raven flume]

You're right

[crystal heart]

DBD devs are tunneling their own game XD

[odd locust]

dont also forget that when you play "low to mid mmr" you also get survivors that do nothing but show you how little braincells you need to be able to not forget how to breathe and launch dbd

[raven flume]

It is, I don't want to play anymore with changes like that and I'm sure so many people agree with me

[winged kraken]

also heads dont unload now

the hair does tho

[hardy hornet]

The goal is to keep the new players long enough so they get the skins and but the dlcs but also you would be surprised at how much low mmr players buy skins

[misty yew]

Random thought but remember when Eva online started getting resumes from long time players that directly benefited the clan they were in? This patch feels like that; just a bunch of survivors applying for jobs at the office then doing this outta spite for that 100p blight that got them on a bad day.

[raven flume]

They are pushing people to play on a one single way and it's boring as hell

I don't want to play Nurse and play on the same style always just because Trapper is stupidly weak

[crystal heart]

And without a dedicated playerbase they will kill their game, since when people will finally understand how badly the game is balanced ( reach mid mmr which isnt that hard to do ) , they will just leave

[crystal heart]

Bro if they got actual people who played the game to give thoughts on this then it would be a million times better than this, this is just some random bs someone came up with in like 2 hours to rework a bunch of stuff that never even touched the game XD

Or it may just be Chatgpt that they got these ideas from 🤔

[hardy hornet]

It's a known fact the new player experience sucks for survivor and it's good that they are trying to change it they just need to keep iterating

[odd locust]

nah my boi chatgpt is way better than this

[raven flume]

The worse part on this is if you read the patch notes from the developer you realize they know what they're doing and even so they keep doing it knowing it's bad

It's obvious they want to break the game, they know but they don't want to do anything about it

[crystal heart]

Also, as a side note, who ever complained about Pinhead...?

[hardy hornet]

A lot of new players

[raven flume]

You mean the nerfed addon?

[hardy hornet]

That don't understand his power

[crystal heart]

Not being able to chain people with endurance

[misty yew]

Not just the addon

[crystal heart]

Then how is that the characters fault if people dont read XDD

It's not rocket science man

[native aspen]

The addon and the capability they removed were specifically about tunneling

[odd locust]

the same ones who have problems with hitting skillchecks when healing or doing gen, yeah, those are the kind of people who should dictate what game needs for balance

[raven flume]

The patch says the add-on change was because it's too strong for the new changes

And I don't really know about the character, I've never played against him and I can't buy it anymore

[crystal heart]

As a side effect chains are now dead-hard able, so even if the pinhead doesnt tunnel, then if someone has dead hard it just doesnt matter to them, they can just make distance

[misty yew]

On the topic of changed add-ons; is Singularitys add-on still good? Without the deep wound, it gives 3% hindered for 6 seconds. It sounds absolutely abysmal, but I don't play enough Singularity to know.

[crystal heart]

Pinhead has 2 identical addons now btw, so they couldnt even come up with one addon, how do we expect them to come up with a balance update for the whole game XD

[odd locust]

chains activate deep wounds after you DH them or nah?

[crystal heart]

No, your power just doesnt work

[crystal heart]

You hit them and nothing happens

[twilit gazelle]

Cenobite double tapped? When either change alone was good

[odd locust]

so you just get exhaust which you can anyway remove moment later with new bottle, okay

[twilit gazelle]

Or more accurately only the deep wound addon

[raven flume]

The main problem of the game is they are supposing you're bad cause if you're good you're gonna make the skill checks on the white part and use broken perks and that's insanely broken

And they suppose too a killer is gonna be good that's why they are weak cause they think every killer is good

[misty yew]

I'm going to die on the hill that that's a dumb decision. I do not care what they're excuse or reasoning is, that's stupid and they should know why it's stupid.

[crystal heart]

Syringe* , also with bloodrush if you have the perk

[crystal heart]

Exactly, and this isnt even the worst thing about this ptb 😭

[odd locust]

oh right right, syringe not the bottle

[misty yew]

Maybe I should apply for jobs over at their office

[pine aspen]

I’m gonna be running a lot more Forced Penance now

[crystal heart]

They dont hire people who play the game :/

[storm pond]

Why we cannot see the ms value of players.

[crystal heart]

What do you mean?

[misty yew]

I'll lie.

[twilit gazelle]

Movement speed in m/s I assume

[raven flume]

I explain myself a little bit bad but what I'm trying to say is

They expect all survivors to be bad and all killers to be good and that's how they balance the game so bad survivors are broken and good killers are weak

What happens so? Good survivors are insanely broken and bad killers can't even play

[autumn mirage]

They treat all survivors as baby survivors and all killers as 10k hours players

[storm pond]

We cannot check pin value

[crystal heart]

Survivors are 4.0, most melee killers are 4.6 besides nurse who is 3.8 and myers who can be 4.2 in stalker mode and chucky who is 4.4 because he's short, and in general ranged killers are 4.4 besides trickster who is 4.6

[raven flume]

Yeah that's what im trying to say

[odd locust]

its easier to keep track of with % since you have haste perks which just sum up together. If thats what you meant

[crystal heart]

Press escape, look to the right in a match, you'll see the ping

[twilit gazelle]

Btw, new BT.. I run DS hehe, I tank 1 hit with protection, haha I go down for 2nd tank, haha I got free self pick up and DS loool

[crystal heart]

I love second chances!!111!!!!

[autumn mirage]

Killers who are 4.4 need a buff or be made 4.6

[storm pond]

On ptb. It is changed

[autumn mirage]

Infinite loops still exist for 4.4 killers... Is so fucking trash

[crystal heart]

Nah, in most cases 4.4 is fine if they are ranged

[autumn mirage]

There are infinite tall loops loterally on haddofield there is the border house you cannot catch a survivor in any way if they get inside and circle it

[crystal heart]

Oh, yeah they made some changes to the hud, you can't see ping anymore? XD

[twilit gazelle]

Movement speed is irrelevant, blight could be 2m/s out of power and still be better than Pih

[misty yew]

Kinda depends on what type of range they are.

[raven flume]

They just want killers to learn and improve so so much and survivors to do nothing cause the game do it for they

[storm pond]

No.I can't!!

[autumn mirage]

And when a survivor learns they abuse all the systems

[crystal heart]

It wont be if this ptb goes live and you have survivors cosplaying blight with syringes and sprint burst

[raven flume]

Yeah but the killer keeps stuck on the game limit

[hardy hornet]

You guys don't understand how game design works you have to design the game around the majority of the playerbase so the game can keep running and that's what they are doing because if the survivor misses a skill check and gets killed for it they dont want to keep playing they want the new players to improve to continue playing

[dull light]

Ye so randomly, I was playing Ghoul against bots and I was randomly getting like hindered and the bots were obviously faster than me, Im assuming this is a bug

[raven flume]

Tell me what a Trapper can do against 4 good people? Nothing, and that happens with so many killers

[twilit gazelle]

Haha, anyway.. Anticamp change look good? Basically the same but better for soloQ?

[autumn mirage]

They make survivors skill floor non existant whole their skill cealing huge while killers got extremely low skill cealing and extremely low skill cealing

[raven flume]

So they just want us to play nurse and blight and that's all

[crystal heart]

So why even have an mmr system at that point right? Just make this a full casual game with all the hand holding they want, survivors can use an item to escape if they are about to die or some shit XD

[autumn mirage]

Now my favorite combo of double stone addon on trapper fucks me since they will build up slug time until they can just walk over my traps

[raven flume]

Yeah it's so easy to understand it and they know it but they don't want to do anything about it

[twilit gazelle]

No way bro, do you slug them for 2 mins?

[autumn mirage]

The game is not even us vs them anymore is players vs dumbass developers

[raven flume]

We can't even play anymore

[storm pond]

We cannot recognize it's occured by the bug or the lag.

[silent stone]

We traded healing over time with another spring burst for anti hemorrhage

[raven flume]

Next update: Survivors can mori killers

[crystal heart]

I didnt even think about this...

[hardy hornet]

The mmr system is there to stop good killers from being in beginner lobbies and making the new players quit the game because they got killed instantly the first time they played

[autumn mirage]

Do you even know what the stone addon does on trapper?

[autumn mirage]

It fucking sucks

[twilit gazelle]

They are in dying state if try to escape

[late charm]

Hey, I loaded the PTB and all my progress isn't there. Anyone else have this issue?

[raven flume]

Sadly :c

[autumn mirage]

Congrats now use your other braincell and imagine what happens if they get in dying state on other border of map trap? I got 0 mobility and takes me long time to walk there now imagine it happens more than once on a match!

[twilit gazelle]

Question why would they escape if they know what addon does, or why you wouldn't go pick them up

Brother, it changes nothing if you can't get there in 2 mins

[odd locust]

idk, you dont see any balance changes coming to cs2 now, resolving around making shooting easier, you dont see changes with league of legends resolving around making champions hit skill shots easier because some timmy missed it. You also dont see tarkov turning towards being easier on new players, you dont see souls-like games addind updates and making bosses or stuff easier because some people had hard time killing them. So dont say that game-devs HAVE to make their games easy for sake of new players, because thats just not true

[autumn mirage]

Every PTB is reseted you get cells to buy all and all killers to P3

[glass fox]

yes, go across the map on trapper, the killer with no extra mobility in his kit

[late charm]

I mean everything, all my cosmetics, all my levels are back to 0

[glass fox]

meanwhile the survivors farm the accumulative 2min resolve

[twilit gazelle]

Point is if it's cross map. You have nothing anyway

[autumn mirage]

Because they now can farm the slug meter and i go pick them but guess dumbass how long takes me to walk from one extreme of the map to the other with 0 mobility?

[glass fox]

what if you're already in chase

[hardy hornet]

I can give you examples of the devs changing the game to make it easier for all of these games

[twilit gazelle]

Farm what slug meter, again why would you be mad if they waste 2 mins on a ground doing nothing?

[hardy hornet]

Elden rings dlc boss was made easier because it was almost impossible to kill

[autumn mirage]

Now use your brain to think that this happens more than once on a match, ik you can do it use your brain :3

[autumn mirage]

Idk then

[glass fox]

okay, then what if two survivors across the map does it

[twilit gazelle]

You're very condescending yet to say a reason why it's bad for you

[late charm]

That's what I'm like LOL I have 0 clue what happened

[odd locust]

impossible, not hard. Its on a different level of what dbd devs are doing to the game

[twilit gazelle]

It's free slowdown if they do smf so stupid

[autumn mirage]

They dont even need to farm it just the time before they get heal wastes time and disarms my trap, you seem too inside your ass to think saddly

[glass fox]

after 120 seconds (even less if they slug themselves for faster resolve) you can no longer slug

[twilit gazelle]

And? Hook

[autumn mirage]

I keep telling you but you struggle to do 2 + 2

[trail halo]

twins:

[native aspen]

PTB no longer copies progress but unlocks all perks + bunch of addons. If you go to a character's bloodweb they get set to P3

[hardy hornet]

Also cs2 is not a casual game it's a comp game same with league they are designed around the comp play not the casual play and don't make casual centered changes

[glass fox]

okay what if their resolve bar is full, they crawl under pallet and people are hovering for save

[autumn mirage]

Good let me walk all the map while the rest does gens and they can get pick up before i arrive so i wasted even more time

[twilit gazelle]

Bro is arguing trapper will have issues if survs self down cross map

[glass fox]

have bro never played trapper

[twilit gazelle]

How dumb is this argument

[autumn mirage]

Trapper only strengh is snowball and basement which both now are gone

[hardy hornet]

Dbd is a casual game not a comp game the changes are centered around the casual experience

[glass fox]

you sound awfully like someone who never played trapper

[late charm]

When was that said? So now if I want to play the PTB I have none of my unlocks?

[autumn mirage]

We are waiting for your answers to measure

[glass fox]

also not to forget, you got 3 other survivors

[twilit gazelle]

What measure? Are you dense? Survs not on gens = amazing

You ignore them if you can you hook them

[glass fox]

so all that wasted time waltzing over to pick up the slug = other survivors gets free gen progress

[native aspen]

It's at the top of the PTB patch notes.

[autumn mirage]

Survivor with anti slug = trapper got no strengh anymore

[twilit gazelle]

You can't be serious

[glass fox]

so what's your argument there

[tardy pine]

It feels centered around giving casual players a comp experience even when they're trash 😮‍💨

[late charm]

Wow, I am dumb... Thanks for the info... Guess I just have to read LOL

[silent stone]

Casual killers are gonna suffer. Don’t act like it’s only comp killers

[autumn mirage]

Try playing trapper one day

[twilit gazelle]

Trapper slugging is the weakest start

He's a fucking trapper

[autumn mirage]

Lmaooooo damm tell me you have never played trapper without telling me

[glass fox]

have you played trapper at all for any decent amount of time

[autumn mirage]

Yeah you got 0 clue about trapper yet talk as if you knew shit

[native aspen]

trapper only slugs with honing stone, no?

[lucid vortex]

Survivors will disconnect against their own teammates if they walk into them by accident. (Genuinely has happened) These PTB changes buff survivors heavily while giving killers a stick to throw

[native aspen]

like thats the one situation it's remotely relevant

[glass fox]

and if you think you know so much

[autumn mirage]

Yeah and is one of his must perks or else traps doesnt get value unless they are next to you

[glass fox]

go ask top trapper players, see if they agree with you

[twilit gazelle]

2 teletubbies regurgitating the same thing, antislug will not do anything to trapper in 99/100 games

[hardy hornet]

The nature of the game means that the casual killer in a casual survivor lobby will still have the upper hand on the survivors

[twilit gazelle]

Because it takes 120 seconds to even happen once

[silent stone]

Is it really

[autumn mirage]

Which is the one of only addons trapper can even use that are meaningful

[glass fox]

says the guy who 1. Never played trapper 2. Trying to say trapper don't have issues to actual trapper players and 3. Pretending they know all about trapper

[autumn mirage]

And even with the iri and purple stone you are still far weaker than majority of killers

[idle elm]

why the hell are the devs insisting on this slugging feature its a really bad idea

[twilit gazelle]

How does it stop you from using the addon

[autumn mirage]

So now you cant even use them

[autumn mirage]

Is fine man, we got you struggle to think dont need to try more

[white prawn]

I think im actually done playing dbd

[hardy hornet]

You don't see a 2v4 game do you? It's because one killer is enough to kill all 4 survivors in the casual level

[twilit gazelle]

If you can't get to them fast they wait for teammate to get them out if not you get a hook.

[autumn mirage]

Only reason i am playing rn is for a fren

[glass fox]

I got a brilliant idea, play it yourself

[white prawn]

who wants to migrate to the outlast trials with me

[native aspen]

i mean if youre having someone slugged for 2 minutes youre getting free pressure

[tardy pine]

When I play honing trapper, I never slug someone to the point they've nearly bled out. The changes are only for excessive slugging, most people won't even notice them

[twilit gazelle]

Slugging is irrelevant

[lucid vortex]

How would you all feel if when we hooked a unique survivor, we get a entity gen block on the gen we kick for 20 seconds?

[twilit gazelle]

Exactly but there 2 are locked in bulls

[hardy hornet]

That would be a good incentive

[twilit gazelle]

Killer needs something for sure

[autumn mirage]

They dont need to be 2 minutes slugged on a row the timer never resets, they can get it by the 2 gens left easily + trapper many times depends on taking control of a zone so if they all stay outside your zone you cannot leave or else they will break your web

[brittle mantle]

Personally I rarely ever need to hard slug because I almost always bring survivors to hooks (unless I need to do pressure and ward off nearby survivors briefly)

Tunneling (whatever we even consider tunneling at this point) I feel is much more common

[autumn mirage]

You forget the timer is not for 120 on a row but total

[twilit gazelle]

So it does nothing then

[tardy pine]

Still, that's a decent amount of time

[twilit gazelle]

Again, even if they all had basekit unbreakable, if you can't even get to them it does NOT matter

[lucid vortex]

Slugging only happens if a flashlight survivor is camping or the downed survivor is under a pallet waiting for a survivor to save them.

In these cases, if the game detects any of them. The slugging meter should not be active

[brave hound]

reset speeds are way too fast on the ptb

breakdown does not need that lol

[native aspen]

im just saying if youre having that much opportunity to slug as trapper and still losing i dont think the antislug is the problem

[autumn mirage]

Trapper got no way of pressuring survivors outside his zone, they can get down out of it and you cannot pressure them while they are getting the anti slug

[twilit gazelle]

Waah waah, what do you mean you can't pressure? Hook if your 3 gen

What is the issue

[autumn mirage]

Trapper matchs can be long asf besides some maps if they see where they can go down safely then they will easily take advantage of it

[lucid vortex]

Flashlight saves, Decisive strike, dead hard and more

[autumn mirage]

And trapper got 0 mobility you cannot pressur survivors far from where you got traps or the others will simply do gens

[lucid vortex]

All while another survivor is doing gens with a rush build

[twilit gazelle]

I mean that doesn't really involve 120s slugging

[autumn mirage]

Trapper and Ghostface cannot have shit i swear

[reef sedge]

does the new wicked thing also include hooks not in basement?

[twilit gazelle]

And trapper only needs 1 down to start doing stuff

[twilit gazelle]

Yes, for other effect than self unhook

[reef sedge]

hmm

[autumn mirage]

Yes now you can stack wicked and resurgance to self unhook already healed

Basement now is useless for killers

[brittle mantle]

Game would be much better if we just didn’t have perks tbh

[wispy goblet]

you can 99 the heal to bypass the early endurance ending shit aswell

[autumn mirage]

Would kill variety short term but could work down that path

[wispy goblet]

who is gonna wait out 30 seconds for a survivor to lose their endurance?

[crimson talon]

so hows the ptb this time?

[reef sedge]

off the record is still useless 🙂

[autumn mirage]

Or have them body block just toninstantly sprint with 0 noises or scratch marks so you cant even punish it

[oak fable]

So did they make killers even more useless? 😔

[autumn mirage]

Is fine you got now other 4 broken perks to compensate

[lucid vortex]

They gave killers a buff that 99% killers use when they use their ability. Survivors also can give other Survivors self rez

[twilit gazelle]

Antislug and anticamp look good overall, anti-tunneling is just completely crazy for survs and nothing for killer

[crimson talon]

The entity sacrificed it

[autumn mirage]

Yup now you get 0 reason to not tunnel and survivors get buffed even if you dont tunnel

So may just tunnel since they get buffs regardless

[oak fable]

Sounds super fair against gen rushers

[autumn mirage]

Even if you dont tunnel

[crimson talon]

should dbd just cancel the anti tunnel stuff?

[autumn mirage]

Wdym?

[autumn mirage]

Unless they basicly change the whole thing YES

[oak fable]

Survivors getting even more buffed

[brittle mantle]

That’s the thing though, they did make tunneling more of a annoyance to achieve as survivors get tons of buffs on unhook to make tunneling harder

What do you get if you don’t tunnel though? Nothing

[twilit gazelle]

Probably not, but killer needs like a slowdown for spreading hooks

[lucid vortex]

Also don't forget syringes now give instant exhaust removal. Add that with the one other perk and you get 3 sprint bursts, or lithes to use freely with no consequence

Added on with the haste of being unhooked

[oak fable]

At this point im about to regret buying the game lol , and i jisr bought it too

[autumn mirage]

Oh yeah, now you cannot tunnel, get 0 benefits from unique hooks (they gutted one of few perks for that), you get useless 15 seconds bloodlust, survivors get wallhacks, survivors got buffed meta healing perks, etc

[crimson talon]

For every different survivor you hook, -2 percent on gens that stacks.

[autumn mirage]

I trully love to have to face 3 SB as non mobility killer!!!

[autumn mirage]

My advice is to refund, rn game is not worth it in any way

[lucid vortex]

Survivors aren't even feeding the entity at this point, its the killers suffering from all these survivors getting instant rez and heals while running away instantly

[twilit gazelle]

Perhaps, but think flat regression might be better, as those hooks can come quite late at 3-2 gens

[autumn mirage]

I am happy only money i ever spent on DBD was 5 dolars for Vecna since i got the game form a giveaway

[reef sedge]

they just need to buff that one perk that blocks gens after one is completed for more time and give the killer the ability to kick gens when they are blocked tbh :3

[oak fable]

Idk , Refunds take to long i guess ill have to live with it

[lucid vortex]

Give the killer the ability to block a gen they kick for 20 seconds on a unique hook

[autumn mirage]

Refunds took usually 1 day wdym? But your choice

[twilit gazelle]

If you like the game why refund it, if not why wait

[crimson talon]

To be honest, I don't regret buying dbd. With friends and if you ignore meta, its fun to me.

[autumn mirage]

And survivors can still hold the game for longer all 4 on exit gates waiting to T bag you

But killers cant even hook without them getting the chance to abandom with 0 punishment

[oak fable]

Sadly most of them dont ignore meta

[autumn mirage]

Unlike Killer abandoment which lowers your MMR

[oak fable]

Ive barely prestiged about 5 killers and it was a pain because starting level 1 against 4 meta builds its just chaos and a test of patience

[crimson talon]

But to be fair, I am on console and has no endgame chat so any backtalk, trash talk and toxicity endgame chat has is out the window unless we have the same console type

[twilit gazelle]

Surv meta is mostly anti-tunneling anyway, so it's not like anti-tunneling isn't warranteed, but killer MUST have a sizeable reward for not tunneling.

[brittle mantle]

I still want them to add a passive regression to exit gates (with maybe no regress if it’s one survivor left)

It’s kinda baffling how easy they are to open

[oak fable]

Because theres always that 1 surv camping it

[eager egret]

i figured the ptb would be fun and all

holy shit dude its horrible wtf were they thinking

[lucid vortex]

At least as a nemesis main I can somewhat enjoy the one killer buff we got. What he needs is speed

[oak fable]

And they should remove the pallet increase its so dumb seeing 5 pallets right next to each other

[twilit gazelle]

Skull Merchant is now playable, and better than Trapper so.. W change!

[eager egret]

its genuinely impossible to win as killer in this ptb dude

[oak fable]

Only for the ptb right?

[crimson talon]

They implemented the skull merchant changes!?

[twilit gazelle]

Ye ye ofc

[crimson talon]

I am, unironically, a skull merchant fan so I am happy

[oak fable]

Believe it or not she was my first killer , Loved her unique ability

[twilit gazelle]

She is pretty descent compared to live version

[oak fable]

And i loved getting her prestiged ngl

[twilit gazelle]

Hop on and try her, she only got buffs

Even lower drone cooldown is good in chase

[oak fable]

Console doesn’t have access to the ptb do they?

[eager egret]

i figured it would be fun to be able to make any build on any killer but no bro

[crimson talon]

steam only

[eager egret]

they do not

[oak fable]

Or better said , Do we lol

[eager egret]

you do not

[oak fable]

So no trying the new skull merchant for me 😔

[twilit gazelle]

Will probably hit live whenever next update is

[oak fable]

Hopefully soon , I actually have high hopes for her

[twilit gazelle]

Kaneki still has all his bugs and a new one, where if he walks a bit and then cancels power, his movement speed becomes slow until you use power again.

[oak fable]

I already prestiged him , And not touching him again lol

[dense stream]

Anyone try new skull merch yet?

Also is this ptb as miserable for killer as the last one?

[pine aspen]

Do you lose bloodlust from using non-movement abilities like sending guards, looking thru biopods, using nemesis whip on a random pallet, etc?

[twilit gazelle]

You don't get punished but survs can bodyblock with 30s OTR basically

Any ability usage removes bloodlust

[dense stream]

And I can’t punish it either right, because of the 30 seconds haste?

[twilit gazelle]

You can hit them I guess, but then you either tunnel them through protection or take the L that they just slowed you down

[verbal lance]

It's less bad in the way that getting one leg chopped off is less bad than both legs.

[twilit gazelle]

It's fine, this is ptb right? So surely it's not coming to live unchanged right? 👍

[dense stream]

People convinced me to stop playing nurse and play other killers, I’m so glad that I’m going to be unable to win with xeno and trapper against any competent swf

[twilit gazelle]

Surely, bhvr right👍

[verbal lance]

I mean last PTB didn't go through, but the BHVR MO has been to release overtuned stuff in the PTB, then adjust the numbers so it's not as bad, but still bad, and release it, claiming they listened to feedback.

[twilit gazelle]

Nurse is bugged rn and blinks are server validated

[dense stream]

Phenomenal, guess I’ll pick up three gen singularity again

[pine aspen]

So m1 killers with abilities that dont become unhealthy with bloodlust, that often use their abilities right after a hook, get nothing

[torn nest]

Wow it really sounds like bhvr can fix the problem of people uninstalling with this update 😂

[twilit gazelle]

Yes. Exactly

[pine aspen]

Doctor players in shambles

[twilit gazelle]

It's basically nothing, killers get nothing

Last ptb with stronger kicks had a descent idea

[dense stream]

Somehow it’s worse than the last ptb

[torn nest]

Whaaaat noooo! That‘s not true…
They get kicked in the balls… that’s not nothing ^^

[twilit gazelle]

o7

[void pasture]

Bruh

Can we get some new devs who actually know how to do good shit

Bcuz wtf is this??? Nobody asked for this shit

[twilit gazelle]

Hmm yes, the bloodlust 1 was too much

I agree. W devs

[void pasture]

Also the new effect for syringes? Can’t wait to get double sprint bursted and be unable to chase someone

Triple if you use blood rush

[pine aspen]

Furtive clown might have been annoying but thats a microsynergy that requires setup

[twilit gazelle]

Idk, changes like this are concerning to see

[dense stream]

I would have like to see this perk but be on a new killer or something

Haste stacking clown was always funny

[golden pollen]

Lol they are trying to change slugging and tunneling so much and it really isn't a big issue. I have maybe 2 out of 50 games where a killer is actively tunneling/ slugging

[wanton coral]

syringes got buffed? ayo

[golden pollen]

If you get tunneled out, you are probably bad at the game. Just saying

[oak dragon]

Is anyone else PTB not showing up in steam?

[dense stream]

Tunneling really only affected solo queue who can’t work together

[dense stream]

I would not go as far to say that the tunnele is bad at the game, only the teamwork

[silent stone]

Tunneling is a good strategy when used right

The devs associate tunneling with intentionally bullying people out of the game and not that strat

[autumn mirage]

3 sprint burst on a row now

[autumn mirage]

Which they dont apply to any of the survivor strategies, is a one sided way of thinking which is why games does so poorly on balance they dont know shit about killers

[dense stream]

I think it’s going to be scarier with balanced

Balanced loops are usually longer just scarcer

[autumn mirage]

Balance is more situational but sprint burst can be used anywhere

[autumn mirage]

Yeah is stronger but people will take SB since doesnt rely on certain spots

Killer just cant catch you no matter where you are which is more value

[dense stream]

Yeah but I’m freaky like that

I want to loop for three minutes by running in a straight line

I don’t want to think of complex tactics like looping or mind games, I just want to watch one video showing me how to do a three minute chase on one map using bl

[winged kraken]

people have noticed beast of prey

[dense stream]

And if I don’t get that map I dc and try again

[silent stone]

Offensively using endurance and second chance perks to support another survivor should be taken into account as well. Often times survivors can force you into dropping, and under this new system it’ll become extremely unfair for killers to deal with

[twilit gazelle]

Unhooked with BT, Tanks 2 hits, self pick-ups with DS. 2 perks across 2 people

Run Mettle of man cuz why not, +2 stacks there

[winged kraken]

lmao i think this patch buffed killers

sure we gotta spread hooks more but now we got almost permanent undetectable

[paper dock]

medkits also got turbo nerfed as did OTR

feels like a lot of overreacting tbh

[dapper saffron]

Is this patch already liv

[verbal lance]

Don't worry, they will nerf that before it hits live.

[brazen slate]

Does the Gideon Map got nerfed in PTB? I went against bully squad that set the map. It was the most unfun map for killer.

[autumn mirage]

Thet literally bring back collision when unhook because was being used agressively then do all this????

[autumn mirage]

Are you fr? You actually believe this is a buff for us and not the biggest shit because of all the overtuned stuff survivor got????

Idc of undetectable for a bit after hook when i cant get any to begin with thanks to density pallets, overtuned buffs now and more unless i play S tiwe

[autumn mirage]

What they got buffed, now you can spam SB

Just use medkit and free out of chase card to next tile

[twilit gazelle]

It's strong for sure

[cyan pine]

They have 230 hours on dbd which is enough said.

[silent stone]

Undetectable is great for some killers and then you have nemesis with his loud ass footsteps

[autumn mirage]

I got around 1k and even i am not that dumb

[autumn mirage]

You actually saying that killer got buff for a bit of undetectable which takes a perk slot to begin with while survivors got 4 overtuned reworks, buffed basekit to hell, wallhacks, elusive status for free which is undetectable basicly and more

[heavy lotus]

Honestly reading the patch notes other then Borrowed time sounding kinda strong honestly I think this is pretty good

[autumn mirage]

Wow killers cannot stop being buffed!

[autumn mirage]

U fr? You can literally self unhook healed with wicked + borrowed time

[snow tusk]

Where’s the patch notes for this ptb?

[autumn mirage]

Anti slug fucks twins and oni more than anyone and even fucks other killers

@snow tusk

[heavy lotus]

Yeah I know I mean other then borrowed time it seems like an ok update

[deft crag]

is pig getting nerfed or buffed?

[autumn mirage]

You can literally spam any exhaustion perk now

[cyan pine]

The issue with these buffs for survivor is they can just rotate who goes for the save, so you cannot even do the 'ping pong' strategy either and try and tunnel two different survivors.

[autumn mirage]

Ignored

[heavy lotus]

I agree I’m saying other than that

[autumn mirage]

Got anti tunnel, anti "facecamp" and anti slugging

[autumn mirage]

You said that with the other so what other than everything on the update the update id good?

Besides the reworks, anti slug, anti face camp, anti tunnel, elusive, op things and all the update is good?

Thats the whole update

[winged kraken]

you're right, i should clarify
this is a buff to S tier killers and a nerf to weaker ones.
behavior done did it again

[heavy lotus]

I’m just saying the anti slugging and Tunneling precautions seem way more reasonable and fair then last time

[autumn mirage]

Not even that the undetectable is not worth changing other meta perks

[heavy lotus]

And perk stuff like that will hopefully be fixed

[autumn mirage]

"a stab on the neck isnt as bad as a bulle ton the train"

Idk you but i prefer to not be fucking bleeding

[shrewd copper]

Has anyone seen if trapper is the effective anti christ for the basement build

[autumn mirage]

"hopefully"

[autumn mirage]

He is not at all, trapper cannot even put 3 traps without triggering the anti facecamp now

[heavy lotus]

If I’m wrong and they go with it then yeah I agree ill eat my words with that one

[twilit gazelle]

What do you mean? He always was a basement enjoyer

[autumn mirage]

They killed basement trapper

[autumn mirage]

I got 0 reasons to believe they will, just look at last 5 updates

[twilit gazelle]

They might self unhook, but they ain't leaving

[shrewd copper]

Agreed

[autumn mirage]

How? They got all basekit now to get over your traps

[twilit gazelle]

They can't just walk over them they have collision

[shrewd copper]

They get folded by the trap grabbing them

Trapper eats endurance iirc

[next galleon]

How do you know this? Have you tried it? You seem to be jumping to conclusions really fast and radicalizing how big this update is.

[heavy lotus]

I will say I don’t think that survivors should be able to see the aura of the killer unless their REALLY close by, because that just gives out too much info if their nowhere near by

[autumn mirage]

Its literally been tried HAVE YOU?

The PTB is live rn you think is just speculation?

[proven lake]

multiple streamers have tested it out already and it's true

[shrewd copper]

I think trapper is gonna be great for the first couple weeks if it goes through

[autumn mirage]

You can literally jump yourself as trapper and see it too 😭

[twilit gazelle]

Basement is still very samey, even if they are healthy off the hook, it only means you can't bodyblock them for 10s and down (live)

[shrewd copper]

Also you can just pre set your traps
You usually set everything up first anyways

[heavy lotus]

That and the effects they get continuing for 3 seconds after they heal

[next galleon]

No I have not because I play on Xbox. You seem to be extremely upset over something that can easily be adjusted before the live release. If you’re this passionate about how bad the changes are, then advocate in the forms. I apologize for coming to the conclusion that you made an assumption about trapper.

[shrewd copper]

I dont think most of them will make it to live

[twilit gazelle]

Probably not, I hope

[heavy lotus]

Me too

At least where getting somewhere

[twilit gazelle]

Especially the random changes like Furgative, Cenobite power, Full anti-tunneling turning into lmao bodyblock the killer

[winged kraken]

kaneki seems to be bugged

i cancelled my power and i was moving at like nurse speed\

[twilit gazelle]

He is on ptb, got an extra bug, no old bugs were fielxed

[shrewd copper]

If they do my mains dead but
Ive come to realize I can't always have fun in this game lol

[twilit gazelle]

If you delay cancel it happens, if you insta cancel it doesn't

[heavy lotus]

Also 30 seconds without a perk is a lot

[next galleon]

L killer anyways I hope he’s bugged all the time fr

[shrewd copper]

Ghostie was already struggling in high mmr but he's gonna be dead in the water

[snow tusk]

Tf did I just read?

[winged kraken]

L + ratio + AAAAUAUAAAGHGHH

[proven lake]

people are allowed to be ''upset'' n they're allowed to discuss why they think its bad/good idea, literally what this channel is for lol

[twilit gazelle]

Give him 6 perks Rize

[shrewd copper]

How's skully now?

[next galleon]

I just hate the killer alr 😭

[heavy lotus]

Maybe if it where naturally 20 seconds and then Babysitter increased the duration that would probably be better since it takes up a perk slot

[shrewd copper]

Might play her cause she's nice looking

[autumn mirage]

The worst PTB in long time on par with last anti tunnel one fucking somehow

[snow tusk]

Fr

Why bother giving us back OTR endurance if you’re gonna immediately take it back

[autumn mirage]

Basic asf QoL changes and they nerfed her undetectable.... And this is suppose to be the alternative to the rework

[autumn mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/dbd-dead-by-daylight-skull-merchant-the-skull-merchant-walk-gif-17568176198672958264

[heavy lotus]

As a person who plays Cenobite the chain thing is very weird to me

[winged kraken]

isnt it great when bhvr makes the gap between weak and strong killers bigger

[twilit gazelle]

It's a buff, less drone cd on chase

[indigo stirrup]

Hello, hows the PTB, those who tested it so far?

[autumn mirage]

And make endurance, haste and ellusive 30 seconds long...

[autumn mirage]

Its basic QoL changes and a nerf to her undetectable, is a bunch of nothing burger they said that if people like this they will cancel rework and leave it like this

Is literally insulting to say this would be good alternative to a rework

[snow tusk]

Tbf they’re removed if they do anything conspicuous and removed after 3 seconds when full healed

[twilit gazelle]

She is definitely stronger on ptb so still a W

[winged kraken]

its technically better undetectable uptime but it ignores the fact that skully doesnt just spam drones while walking around

[autumn mirage]

Yayyy she is now above ghostface!!! Based developers!!! God how comformist

[tidal vessel]

GYATTT
thats Skull Merchant?

[autumn mirage]

They can now heal under hook and still take endurance hit after healed

[autumn mirage]

Yeah :3

[indigo stirrup]

are the changes good or bad, from your point of view, generally speaking?

[cyan pine]

Something worth mentioning is that only tunneling off hook has been nerfed. If you spot the same survivor again with another survivor, you can still focus the death hook survivor.

[tidal vessel]

im surprised they even modeled that 😭

[cyan pine]

Survivors will still complain tho.

[snow tusk]

Guys I can’t wait to triple Sprint burst away from killer 30 seconds later when I come off the hook! (Blood Rush and Syringe)

[autumn mirage]

Terrible awful and only thing that is decent is the BP changes but they should be a fucking QoL not counted as a buff

[twilit gazelle]

BP noone cares about

It's irrelevant to gameplay

[indigo stirrup]

o

[snow tusk]

Wdym? Like the endurance lets them tank a hit from healthy to healthy?

[autumn mirage]

Only thing that killers can even scratch from all of this is the imperative chase combo with the Bloodlust but is still not meta

[autumn mirage]

Also they gutted fugitive chase so even less reasons to do unique hooks

[indigo stirrup]

My first impression was that it has no more restriction for killer, the unique hooks thingy

[autumn mirage]

I need to test but if they get hit in the 3 seconds windows i think they do

[indigo stirrup]

I havent played the PTB to mention, but it didn't seem bad?

[snow tusk]

Oh you’re serious. Guess we gotta put Trapper on life support

[polar pasture]

why did bhvr nerf some nice perks, babysitter and off the record is so bad now

[autumn mirage]

Yeah but on exchange they buffed survivors overtuned that they cam take advantage of even if you arent tunneling or hooking but this time no basekit pop or downgrade BBQ

Is one sided buffs without adressing anything about the killer side

[indigo stirrup]

how were survivors buffed? perks ig

[twilit gazelle]

They still have the whole of ptb to do the Right thing, soo.. hopium/copium

[snow tusk]

Have you read the patch notes?

[indigo stirrup]

honestly no, It was a real question. I was away 🙁

[shrewd copper]

They don't want hand holding
But this whole update is survivor hand holding

[snow tusk]

They’re in the pinned section. Read it. A lot has changed

[autumn mirage]

They got anti tunnel (30 seconds long haste, elusive and endurance), anti slug (longer timer but now if more than 1 slug it goes way faster), anti "facecamp" (increased to 20 meters goes 50% lower but increased by 2 after 10 seconds in the radius and after another 10 seconds is double speed of the old meter), overtuned perks (wicked + ressurgances now let you unhook alone and fully heal on basement) and way more, killers only got BP bonus and bloodlust for 15 seconds which goes away if start a chase, do any kind of interaction or use their power

[cyan pine]

You know it's bad when even survivor mains say this buff is too much 😭

[wanton coral]

anyone else notice the offering bug again? its showing me peoples secret offerings

[indigo stirrup]

lol

[shrewd copper]

I play mainly killer but still a good chunk of survivor
Survivor is a joke and killer is gonna require a tier killers
Shoot i think even Wesker may barely squeak by

[snow tusk]

Probably will not be fixed in the foreseeable future

[autumn mirage]

I forgot but also when unhooked you can see the killer aura in 32 meters for 10 seconds....

[indigo stirrup]

interesting, thank you so much wey.on 😄

[snow tusk]

Watch eyes of Belmont extend that by 2 seconds

[proven lake]

honestly i expect no less when they admitted they were survivor mains

[twilit gazelle]

Aura reading is iffy, but most relevant to soloQ, swf will discord your location anyway

[shrewd copper]

And it sucks cause wesker is my highest tier main lol
I main Wesker, Ghostie, and huntress
Huntress has felt nice against dumb people who pre drop but other than that it's a struggle

[autumn mirage]

No problem, this whole PTB feels like a joke i dont feel like playing anyone but S tier rn and even that sounds miserable

[indigo stirrup]

let me guess, anyone below A tier is legit... bye bye see ya . But for real, isn't it an exaggeration a tiny bit of that's some real shit

[snow tusk]

I don’t even wanna try the ptb cuz it sounds miserable and I rather farm bp on my actual account to level up my 7 survivors that’s still P0

[indigo stirrup]

usually people over-react honestly

[shrewd copper]

How it's felt so far

[twilit gazelle]

Ptb isn't live, if you don't feel like playing rn, you probably don't want to play dbd in general

[autumn mirage]

I main Unknown, Huntress, Hag, Trapper, Matchbox Nurse, Blight, Vecna and a bit of Knight i literally cannot enjoy anyone now but Nurse, Blight and a bit of Vecna

[pine aspen]

Even some A tiers feel a lot worse

[snow tusk]

Wait

[autumn mirage]

Pretty much and now A tiers feel like B tier

[pine aspen]

Pyramid Head buff tho

[twilit gazelle]

Also nurse is bugged and server side validates blinks

[shrewd copper]

I tried Ghostie on the ptb
And i had to try hard even though im really damn good with Ghostie
Just to many pallets for the poor guy
It's so easy to run out his expose timer
I could only get instant downs off of jumping them

[autumn mirage]

Ptb is literally live rn...

[indigo stirrup]

I will test it soon as well, to understand more. But nice first... impressions

[snow tusk]

With Blood Rush and syringe rework, can you stunlock chain a killer for a while with Head On?

[autumn mirage]

Hope you dont suffer a lot

[twilit gazelle]

Isn't live game*

[indigo stirrup]

I mean... I appreciate it!

[snow tusk]

I’m watching a streamer play the ptb rn wdym

[shrewd copper]

Ive been using the drop a pallet and die build on the ptb for wesker
Its worked wonders ngl

[twilit gazelle]

It's not live server, you needn't play jt if you don't like it.

[indigo stirrup]

usually the PTB suffers changes, from minor to major. What is put there doesn't mean it's also going live, take in mind.

[polar pasture]

fixing your mmr system to stop sending p1 dwight’s to p100 killers🚫🚫

Killing fun survivor’s perks and add ons✅✅✅

[heavy lotus]

Good luck solider o7

[indigo stirrup]

The feedback is crucial, take your feedback from the PTB to forums/discord. 😄

[snow tusk]

Can’t wait to be Head On bullied with syringe changes

[twilit gazelle]

Hardly concern ^

[snow tusk]

It’ll be miserable regardless

Also is there a chance Wicked plus resurgence means insta heal hopping off hook?

[heavy lotus]

I will say it is weird their isn’t a “filter by level or playtime” option

[indigo stirrup]

How are the queues killer side on PTB, in EU right now?

[polar pasture]

they can just send iri1 players to iri1 players, that would be great

[twilit gazelle]

Also means no unhook protection? If it disables on full heal

[reef sedge]

queue times are horrendous for me rn (for killer NA)

[shrewd copper]

Are you allowed to send builds in here or nah
Its one that's been fun on the ptb

[valid tide]

I'm putting this here so that there is a paper trail in case some weird stuff happens

For some reason, when I opened up the PTB just now, I realized that I have the Developer Exclusive Badge and Banner on my account - I talked with some people in the EGC and they confirmed they had it as well, but someone else in the lobby came in hard with an accusation that I must have used an unlocker so I could feel special during the PTB and apparently reported me, hoping to have me banned

Can anyone else here confirm if they've also received any developer exlusive items for their PTB account?

[snow tusk]

I read the patch notes that the effects are removed when you are being full healed. What if you come off the hook already healed? There’s no healing to full. Semantics wise and no faith in DBD spaghetti code I believe.

[agile loom]

Bro abt the ptb half the killer mains are sobbing as if 30 seconds of base kit off the record is actually gonna do anything to stop killers from winning 🤣 just attack the person who does the unhooking or dont tunnel ☠️ I swear the community does not want to see their own game improve and it shows

[twilit gazelle]

True

[hidden dune]

In a hypothetical DBD where all killers were at the strength they should be, would all of these changes be fine? Say every killer was about as good as Plague

[heavy lotus]

Honestly that would be, though sometimes people just get ire one just for the perks and not because they actually played the killer or survivor so maybe just like your current level is better

[shrewd copper]

Man bro doesn't know lol

[snow tusk]

Truly

[twilit gazelle]

I mean it will stop weak killers, and they might collect their 1k if they are lucky

[winged kraken]

chat im gonna predict beast of prey changes:
undetectable gets removed when bloodlust does

[indigo stirrup]

Play killer at high mmr and understand why a lot of people playing killer have issues. Once you understand that you will share more empathy lol. (I'm legit)

[twilit gazelle]

While perk less trapper will still 4k soloQ randoms who suck, with the changes

[polar pasture]

Fr, like btc wth why do I need to rejoin 20 times to get a nice team without p0 dwights and megs

[winged kraken]

how many hours do you have

[snow tusk]

I don’t get the Borrowed time rework

[twilit gazelle]

Slugma with DS

[snow tusk]

If they get downed again, it usually means they’re getting tunneled and hooked immediately

[heavy lotus]

Honestly that would be so much better because it would mean that everyone in theory is at the same and one team isnt a coughing baby or a hydrogen bomb

[agile loom]

Im an iridescent 1 demo main i dont really use addons or pain res either😭

[snow tusk]

I guess true. Zamn I regret not getting Laurie now

[winged kraken]

rank =/= mmr

[agile loom]

I dont have a huge amt of time on the game but I know you really dont need to tunnel

[winged kraken]

i have reached iri 1 twice and i have 200 hours

[indigo stirrup]

Rank don't matter since MMR

[twilit gazelle]

Game is much better with DS than without it

[agile loom]

Idk man I keep going against teams with like 200 days on the game

[snow tusk]

Don’t got that, man

[agile loom]

Just saying like just because you cant 4k at 3 gens every time doesnt mean the game is survivor sided I get my ass whooped sometimes but encouraging tunneling doesnt do any good lol

[polar pasture]

SOME killer mains are crying cuz they need to wait for 10 mins to join somewhere but I need to wait like 30 minutes to find a nice team if I got no one to play with

[indigo stirrup]

Not trying to say you are bad, but you gave a take about the killers complaining. It's just natural when you see how games are handled by optimal teams, you playing with a lower tier killer getting totally smacked. It's not a good feeling

[agile loom]

Its not a good feeling but I feel like its more of a skill issue because realistically a killer shouldn't be able to win every match they enter

[twilit gazelle]

Anyway, if anti-tunneling buffs were only for initial 3 hooks? Thoughts?

[indigo stirrup]

Totally agree, but a good match is generally shared by many hooks and possibly a 2k. If you constantly get 4 man outed with barely hooks... within a time frame of 5-7 mins.

[polar pasture]

CLAIRE REDFIELD PFPP

[hidden dune]

Something agreed upon by the majority of the community, experienced members of it, is that killers can not kill fast enough to outpace the best survivors, no matter what they do. The killers, unfortunately, must do unfun things like tunnel and slug to keep up with those survivors. If you have not witnessed what I am talking about, then you do not have enough experience to properly speak about this

[fathom jungle]

now original pain is just greasy lens ;~;

[shrewd copper]

You need gen slowdown at high mmr

Shoot i run both pain res and surge lol

[indigo stirrup]

I wouldn't call it unfun, those strategies can certainly be fun for some. But yeah, the vast majority could say that; Personally... I don't mind

[hidden dune]

I mean if im tired or feel overwhelmed I dont mind being tunneled out of the game, taking a little breather when I need to, but mostly it is quite sad to go against. People like to play the whole 15-20 minutes of their match

[candid merlin]

i agree 100%

[heavy lotus]

If I’m being honest maybe it’s just because I was on ps4 and I messed with a cross play setting on accident but the survivor wait times are kinda long now too so like it doesn’t feel as big of a deal if I wait longer as long as I’m about the same level as everyone else

[agile loom]

I do understand slugging fully, cus like some bitches be lurking, I just have a problem with tunneling because as someone who often duo queues or solo queues seeing your teammate get perma killed at 3 or 4 gens just feels so discouraging and like I want to give up because its so common for killers like that to run multiple Gen regression perks and its just insanely overkill. Im aware that thats mainly an issue with people who aren't a full 4 swf but even when playing with a team when I or them get tunneled out its no fun waiting 10-20 minutes for the rest of the match to play out bc the killer thinks that its the only valid option. Moving the games winning plays away from tunneling while still making attempts at killers being more viable I feel is a better direction and more fun for everyone, bc right now it can be just miserable

[polar pasture]

idc abt time to load in, im js scrolling tiktok while lf match

[polar pasture]

ps4 player too btw

[indigo stirrup]

so give me a moment, whats the queue time for ptb in Europe right now? 20 mins above or less?

[agile loom]

Shes my goat 🥹🥹

[twilit gazelle]

There is a fix for that in perks, DS and Shoulder, however ppl want basekit fix

[polar pasture]

I want wesker to grab me

[heavy lotus]

Nice

[agile loom]

I understand why people including me would want it base kit, as not everyone wants to waste a perk slot on anti slugging just to have fun and sometimes that 4th perk slot is important to complete a build

[twilit gazelle]

Fun builds are not allowed for surv or for killer usually

[agile loom]

Base kit off the record doesnt really feel like much of a big deal anyways you can still apply pressure by going to hook to prevent a heal and attacking the one who unhooked

[hidden dune]

Sometimes, you dont need to be in a swf to force the killer to resort to desperate strategies. Some survivors are just really good. They loop good, they do gens in all the right places that make life hard for you, they know your power better than you do. Its fun to go against one, but that one survivor can make the difference between 3 kills and 3 hooks.

[agile loom]

And I feel like they should be allowed more frequently

[hidden dune]

You cant play nice against people like that and win

[twilit gazelle]

And the weak link is a newbie who gets the tunneling and quits dbd

[hidden dune]

I wish you could, but dbd is an imperfect game

I mean I was a newbie that won once every 12 games, but I still fell in love with dbd. Its fun to win, even after losing a bunch

[agile loom]

Maybe not now but stuff like that doesn't really happen every game and it doesnt hurt a killer main to lose once in a while, I feel like theres still ways to win without complete tunneling

[twilit gazelle]

When introducing a friend to dbd the whole lobby ran 3x shoulder and it made the game very nice for them, otherwise they would play 3mins a match and back to lobby

[agile loom]

I dont think you have to get every survivor to 2 hooks before killing people obvi but like atleast easing the throttle a little doesn't hurt a game too badly for killers if you can just keep pressure

[heavy lotus]

Also not really a this ptb thing but a previous ptb thing out of curiosity

If they added a weaker version of the blocking hook state effect as a perk would you be ok with it

[hidden dune]

Dbd isnt beginner friendly. Thats like its biggest flaw imo but we all know about it, it really knows how to weed out people that love and hate asymmetric horror

[twilit gazelle]

For sure

[heavy lotus]

I just wished their were killer specific tutorials because learning some killers without guide videos is really hard with some of the descriptions and abilities

[agile loom]

Thats nice of everyone

I had such a hard time getting into dbd bc my friends begged me but there was just so much going on and confusing shit, I only really got the hang of the game like maybe 2 months ago and learnt everything

I like using survivor and killer but my least favorite thing just always remains tunneling its never fun for anyone😭

[hidden dune]

Ok yeah so like I personally… dont tunnel if I dont need to. I keep to the 5-6 hook rule when I can. Against good teams I usually tie which is… fine ig.

The big issue is that, in some cases, tunneling is a necessity. The devs, as well as punishing tunneling, need to make sure that it is rarely a necessity. That is not the case.

[agile loom]

I think adding tunneling prevention is atleast a step in the right direction and opens the door for improving the ability to do well as killer without the need for tunneling

[hidden dune]

Yeah, but their next step should be keeping killers out of D and F tier :3

In that they fall behind cough cough trapper and ghosty

[agile loom]

Also nerf nurse like why can she still blink twice 😭 that 2nd blink is the reason nurse takes literally no skill to use bc any mistake made with the 1st blink can be bandaged with the 2nd one

[snow tusk]

Any news on the Trickster rework?

[agile loom]

Honestly trappers win way more games than they lose from my experience, but also every single trapper ive opposed runs the strong ass iridescent add-ons so

[snow tusk]

Baby take

[agile loom]

What are you a nurse player😭

Anyone who thinks nurse isnt absurd doesnt play dbd

[hidden dune]

Honestly, I dont think the two blinks are nurses issue

This is kindof off topic but I feel that Spencer‘s Last Breath is a power that Nurse should earn, like Yamaoka‘s Wrath, but Nurse balancing aside yeah all killers should be closer together in power

[twilit gazelle]

30% lunge addon is the true unskilled part of nurse

[trail tiger]

I think in a game where looping plays such a dominant roll any killer that can go though walls is just insane

[agile loom]

I mean shes a bundle of issues the thing i dont like abt her rn is that any mistake she makes with her first blink can be ignored, like she can be wayyy off and outplayed and just blink again rq and hit you for free with no chance for what you can do lol

[winged kraken]

LMAO

ok the bug where heads dont deload applies to vecnas mori

[hidden dune]

Also no

They buffed SM tho but not in any big way

[agile loom]

True

[tawny sable]

Nurse has been #1 for way too long

[hidden dune]

I had a friend that went by "fannon". Theyre a Nurse main of a comp team that confidently told me they could stage an unavoidable blink attack.

[agile loom]

I know right lmao

[tawny sable]

Anyone that has played nurse for more than 10 hours should be able to force uncounterable blinks practically anywhere

[gray night]

lmfao

[agile loom]

It honestly only takes like 2 games of playing nurse (if ur not a new player) to know how to win basically any game as her

[gray night]

it honestly doesnt.

Stop

[proven lake]

what a stupid take

[winged kraken]

did anyone else have their game crash

[gray night]

If that were the case.

Which it isnt

Her kill rate across all players wouldnt be as low as it has been.

Every.Single.Time

Shes lower than current SM just fyi

[agile loom]

Shes not a hard character to use at all tho like anyone that says she is difficult is fake or only referring to new players using her

[tawny sable]

Nurse is a free killer, her kill rates are going to be dragged down by new players

[agile loom]

Yes

[tawny sable]

Also this was literally my experience. By the third game as nurse I realized I could get a free 4k at the cost of nausea

[gray night]

Shes hard for the majority of people who attempt her.

Stats tell us this much

Not hard for me and you. But majority of players it absolutely is

Thats why the strongest killer in the game, has one of the lowest kill rates

[tawny sable]

Regardless isnt that a bit concerning? A killer that either doesn't function or becomes so oppressive the opponent doesn't have a way to fight back is terribly designed

[gray night]

Shes clearly broken no doubt

[agile loom]

Thats because a lot of newer players pick her up but im no pro and I dont think it takes a pro to win as nurse most the time

[tawny sable]

Im gonna be so real the main reason for low kill rates is probably the splitting headaches 2 consecutive games of nurse gives most people

[gray night]

Shes slower than survivors and it has an aim mechanic to it.

Thats why

[tawny sable]

Oh that reminds me, how do yall feel about the changes to the syringe and styptic?

[gray night]

Much lol to them changes lmfao

Dead addons

But idc ill be spamming SM now

[hidden dune]

Anyway, every Nurse nerf idea that comes along just attacks the power directly, and I personally don’t like the approach because it moreso makes her feel ass to play instead of just makes her a worse Killer. Which is why I believe players gotta EARN that op blink, do smt really hard or give survivors the ability to neuter it, like xenomorph or oni which have much weaker powers that can be taken away

[tawny sable]

I love the syringe but styptic deserves better

[agile loom]

The styptic change is really lame and basic imo, turns smth memorable into just another addon. I like the syringe one

[tawny sable]

What could styptic even do as a consumable?

[gray night]

endurance. Put it back lol

[proven lake]

I'd honestly love to see a vod of you playing nurse

[tawny sable]

Aside from endurance, healing, or exhaustion removal. It was removed for a reason

[gray night]

Its really such a rare encounter add on to begin with.

[hidden dune]

The syringe is a fine change ig, its less flexible now which I like. The styptic didn’t need its rework

[agile loom]

Okay ill hop on her tonight

[tawny sable]

Do yall think, interesting or not, the syringe is balanced as it is in the ptb?

[hidden dune]

Oh yes

[gray night]

In the ptb. No

Live. Yes

Nothing balanced about something that is useless

Or interesting

[tawny sable]

In live it has the potential to be insanely oppressive

[tawny sable]

Doesn't removing exhaustion mean you can double the distance from sprint burst

That alone could end a chase instantly against anyone but blight

[agile loom]

It could like cleanse ur negative status effects (aside from exaustion) or smth, idk, just anything more interesting. Unless smth like that already exists

[gray night]

you have to stop and use it but yea you could double sb.

Rather than its use before.

And now using it altruistically is ... pretty much out the window without comms

Why use it on a random that you dont even if they have exaust perks

[hidden dune]

Live build has something that can displace pressure while a survivors on a gen. In the ptb the syringe can only be used against killers that you have distance on, to create more distance

[gray night]

Better that I could potentionally protect one before.

Now syringe is just used for yourself

[tawny sable]

Actually that is kinda interesting. Imagine a temporary vigil tied to your medkit

[gray night]

Speaking of which didnt they annouce awhile back we will get to see our teammates perks?

[agile loom]

I hope so that sounds nice for solo/duo queue players 🥹

[tawny sable]

Do you think they could buff the cleanse mechanic to make it more useful?

[hidden dune]

Not that far back but yeah. I think they were open about it being difficult to program?

[agile loom]

They should just show up when you pause like offerings do

[gray night]

What? Cleanse?

Syringe we are talking about

[tawny sable]

Idk what other word to use for it removing exhaustion

It cleanses the negative status effect

[gray night]

How would buffing that help the delima of not knowing if your teammate has an exaust perk or not?

You DONT know if they have those perks

So altruistically you just wouldnt use a syringe on a teammate

[tawny sable]

What if it let you see if someone had exhaustion on the HUD

[hidden dune]

I suppose you‘d know by seeing or not seeing the prompt as you heal them

[tawny sable]

Or let you cleanse other status effects

[somber edge]

que necesidad de arruinar unos accesorios que solian salvar a uno de situaciones desesperadas / jeringa y astringente/

[gray night]

Even if I see it it still comes with timing. You cant really time a sprint burst when your teammate in soloq is getting tunneled out

"wait wait wait stop running so I can give you your exaust back"

Not gonna happen

[hidden dune]

Tunneling? In a ptb like this?

[tawny sable]

Imagine if it was usable while running like the map or key

[gray night]

Itys just something that was not really thought about it seems.

Unless you are in comms you just wouldnt use that on a random lol

[hidden dune]

Honestly wish that was the case, itd make those items feel way less bulky

[tawny sable]

How do yall feel about the changes to Wicked and Breakdown?

[gray night]

Havent read them yet

[hidden dune]

Wickeds cool, but breakdown is now just a powercrept resurgence and that makes me very sad

[tawny sable]

Basically breakdown time was cut in half but doubles the speed you get healed at for 90 seconds and wicked suppresses unhook notification/gives you a 50% healing pop instantly on unhook

[hidden dune]

Like wtf do you mean you can WGLF yourself? Thats so bullshit

[tawny sable]

I love the concept of a perk suppressing the unhook sound but it feels a bit weird as a selfish perk

[hidden dune]

Wrong perk but still

[gray night]

Yea wicked is fine...still a niche perk people dont really do.

Breakdown is fine as well dont see the issue

Still both not really used perks. They just added we'll make it to breakdown

[hidden dune]

I‘d honestly love to combine wicked and resurgence now

[tawny sable]

Breakdown is just an even bigger contribution to the healing meta

[hidden dune]

IT POWERCREEPS RESURGENCE MY BABYYYYYYYYYYY

[tawny sable]

What conditions could they even add to the faster heal though? To make it different from resurgence

[gray night]

You wouldnt stack resurgance though with breakdown. At some point you are just being kind of useless with perk slots and gain

You see this with we'll make it on a resurgance player. You just dont care

[hidden dune]

resurgence and wicked would be an insta heal, which is funny and feels nice

[tawny sable]

Imagine they nerf resurgence by 1% because of this

[gray night]

You are wasting a perk slot stacking that much recovery after an unhook.

[hidden dune]

But the new breakdown is just like… better than resurgence now? Objectively better

[gray night]

Idk about that

[tawny sable]

Unless someone doesn't heal you for 90 seconds ofc

But at that point just heal yourself

[hidden dune]

Its almost as fast healing, resistance to hemorrhaging, with an additional affect

[gray night]

?

Where does it say you are resitant to hemo?

[tawny sable]

Do any perks let you cleanse deep wound faster?

[hidden dune]

BECAUSE YOU DONT START WITH HEALING PROGRESS?????????

[tawny sable]

That is fair actually

[hidden dune]

ITS JUST INCREASED HEALING SPEED

[tawny sable]

You don't lose healing progress if you aren't healed

[hidden dune]

WHICH IS NOT SOMETHING HEMO CAN TOUCH

[gray night]

Right but that doesnt mean you are resistant to hemo lol

bro no.....

[hidden dune]

You are actually

Tomorrows a new day holy shit how do you not see this

[gray night]

Where are you getting this

Where are you getting that hemo cant touch resurgance ?

[hidden dune]

IM SAYING IT CAN

BUT NOT THE NEW BREAKDOWN
WHICH IS WHY THE NEW BREAKDOWN IS A PROBLEM

[tawny sable]

Is hemo's damage to resurgence even worth caring about though

[hidden dune]

Absolutely yes, theres a stall after an unhook that takes like 25% from resurgence

[gray night]

yes because its usually paired with mangled

You dont get healed under hook 100% of the time either

Especially on live.

[tawny sable]

90 seconds is enough time to walk away from the hook

Oh I didnt mean to respond sry

[hidden dune]

…I think Jak was just confused on which perk I was thinking of?

[tawny sable]

Basically 50% instant healing on unhook can be affected by healing loss, but the 100% bonus to healing speed can't be until you stop healing

And both are affected by slower healing penalty

[hidden dune]

Im trying to argue that apart from resurgence‘s new combo with Wicked, the new breakdown is powercreeping resurgence

[low shore]

anybody can play the ptb?' i get some error about me needing easy anti cheat

[hidden dune]

70%, it was buffed recently

[gray night]

Yea it would help heal faster.

But if you are pairing these perks you are wasting perk slots imo.

You only need one of these not both

You would gain substaintially more from another perk in the game than stacking an unhook perk

Making your build all about resurgance would be super int

[hidden dune]

Applying two perks to help people heal you at once is dumb yea

But resurgence+wicked would instantly heal you, which I honestly find kindof cool, even if its not good

[tawny sable]

Is skull merchant as good as people said she'd be rn?

[gray night]

The people who play her currently yes

The people who barely play her.

No

[hidden dune]

No, she was just touched a little so the players would remember that she‘s not abandoned

Like a few bugs were fixed and her basic parts were buffed

[gray night]

If you know, not mastered her, shes in a really good spot. The vault immunity being gone is giga

If you kind of sort of play her. You probably dont know much about her

And this update sucks

[tawny sable]

Does she still need buffs though? Like, did she make it out of C tier

[gray night]

Nah shes probably somewhere in C at the moment

[hidden dune]

I know that players can micro the drone to hit more often but its not great still

[gray night]

Can?

No you HAVE to micro drones lol

[tawny sable]

They used this instead of a full rework cuz it'd be hard to make work with this engine right

[sweet quartz]

Would it be a hottake to say the Furtive Chase rework is kinda unnecessary

[gray night]

If you dont rotate drones yourself.

Yea you dont know how to play SM

[tawny sable]

How helpful would the full map scan they proposed for her even be?

[gray night]

Full map they would be kind of... hard to use

you cant really see if anyones near them to change their direction or not

[tawny sable]

I remember they talked about a drone that scans the whole map for anyone that isnt crouching in the rework concept for her a while back, that's what I was referring to

[sweet quartz]

It was a fine perk beforehand, 10% for like 16 secs (?) after the obsession was hooked was fine

[gray night]

It was a dumb missle idea they had for the rework.

Drones turning into these dash things

[tawny sable]

Im just talking about the full map scan alone

The dashing drones are dumb that's just 7 krasues patrolling the map

[hidden dune]

Its just that it now combos too well with the existing anti-tunnel encouragement, and must be changed because of it

[gray night]

Yea you can look that up. That rework looked like garbage to me.

Honestly if they just brought back dual scan lines with what they have put.

Probably b tier. Which is balanced

[tawny sable]

The endgoal is to make her less annoying but still viable right

[gray night]

Im not complaining though for now as I will play the shit out of her

Vault immunity being gone is giga

[hidden dune]

You‘re a SM main, even after her gutting?

[sweet quartz]

And with off the record too, it was a strong perk yes, but I dont think it needed reworked, just like furtive chase

[gray night]

yup

[tawny sable]

Actually does skull merchant even struggle to find survivors

[gray night]

Eh... yea sorta kinda ?