ptb-discussion

[snow tusk]

While we’re at it, give every killers a Jim to stab with if they have a blade

[summer grail]

How dare you

[snow tusk]

Blasphemy

[bright swallow]

I honestly predict Jim will appear in a future Dredge skin

[eager wyvern]

🤭 teehee

[summer grail]

Wouldn't even be out of character for dredge

[bright swallow]

Exactly

[snow tusk]

Make the huntress throw Jims instead of hatchets

[summer grail]

It's about time we got skins for powers

[snow tusk]

At least then I won’t be tilted

[bright swallow]

Jim form for Dracula

[summer grail]

Immune to stuns, cannot move, holds up the game

[eager wyvern]

steel_pipe_sfx.wav

[bright swallow]

[summer grail]

rpd wish me luck

[eager wyvern]

gl gl

[bright swallow]

Alrighty, I’m gonna go get busy. It’s been nice chatting with yall. Everyone have a great day

[bright swallow]

Gl

[eager wyvern]

👋 have a good one

[snow tusk]

Replace Freddy’s alarm clock with Jim. Only thing I need to wake me up

[mighty portal]

and let a poor m1 killer have at least 1 kill in end game ?
how dare you think you have the right to make the end game unpleasant experience for even one survivor

[young forum]

yeah exactly. the killer role only exists so survivors can have fun. how dare a killer play for their own fun at the cost of an innocent survivor.

[mighty portal]

indeed let us know our place

[summer grail]

botany knowledge instaheal vs my vaultspeed demogorgon 😭 this game sucks

[snow tusk]

In fact the killer should be buried six under at the beginning of the match and survivors can help dig them out so they can teabag them 🙄

[spiral bone]

Y'know, it just occurred to me that the PTB patch actually encourages slugging because of how the tunneling mechanic functions
It's so funny watching a survivor get themselves up only to immedately smack them back down as you chase someone else.

[autumn mirage]

Honestly the endurance perk after unbreakable is only issue with this

[spiral bone]

wait they get what

are you shitting me

[autumn mirage]

Not basekit i mean if they bring a perk for it

[spiral bone]

oh lol

[autumn mirage]

I got before people getting endurance after picking themselfs up

[spiral bone]

also, can I just say the new Myers is actually really fun. I like that you can just run at people

[autumn mirage]

Forgot what perk was that let them do that

[summer grail]

Does anyone in their right mind actually like these changes

[gray night]

Yea hope most of them go live

[autumn mirage]

The issue is 100% indoor maps for him, main buildings and rn his bugged camera where he cant turn around and his dash is slow asf

[summer grail]

Like I know we all joke about how "BHVR doesn't play their own game" but at this point I'm wondering if that's a joke anymore.

[spiral bone]

nope

[autumn mirage]

Only ragebaiters and people who just wanna gutt killers and dont care of game balance

[gray night]

Its mostly just killer players that pretty much relied on going straight back to the hook that have any issues with these changes

[autumn mirage]

Here is an example of ragebaiter, be careful with his species

[summer grail]

He makes it too obvious

[autumn mirage]

Only thing you can get mad at is the fact that some people believe the shit he says

[gray night]

Think ill go 50 in a row on SM with the PTB really tired though

[young forum]

that's not even close to being true.

[summer grail]

😬

[gray night]

It really is from what I can tell

[autumn mirage]

Nah bro dont bother he ragebaita for days now

[spiral bone]

and anyone going against the usual swf where everyone plays the same character with meta perks.

[gray night]

"the usual SWF"

[summer grail]

I play bubba and the voices tell me to facecamp at 5 gens

[young forum]

anyone saying this patch isn't the most survivor sided update in years is ragebaiting

[gray night]

It is survivor sided as a patch

but the game as a whole is still 100% killer sided.

[spiral bone]

yeah pretty much lmao

[young forum]

rage bait

[gray night]

"anything that I dont believe in is rage bait"

[summer grail]

This is ragebait

[young forum]

you can't call the game killer sided if they literally make the survivor rulebook the official rules of the game. which IS what this update is doing.

[autumn mirage]

Ngl Plague is better at that currently, if you bring double iri you can get your power 6 times even if they dont clean once

[gray night]

If you cant win a match on killer

Just because you cant go straight back to an unhook notification

Then you were really not that good at killer to begin with

[autumn mirage]

Bro is throwing the fish now, not even the bait

[young forum]

I never said I was doing that

[gray night]

thats what this update really is at its core

Preventing that

[spiral bone]

self projection moment

[west pier]

so II shouldnt go back to tthe spot where I know 2 people are at guarenteed as a killer?

[young forum]

out of all the changes in this update that is the most insignificant buff survivors are getting

[gray night]

@spiral bone Let me know when you can go 17 in a row with the weakest killer in the game

Ill be making it go even further while you all whine about how you cant play killer

[autumn mirage]

And where they will reset all your pressure

[west pier]

the amoutn of people thatt heal under hook is silly. i love punishing tthem lol

[autumn mirage]

Sure man, keep bragging to trapper mains you sure are not getting bad ragebait 😭

I swear ragebait is so weak today

[spiral bone]

then why'd I get a 4k in 6 minutes when running back to the hook on the PTB?

[gray night]

Id like to use we.ons argument

Sounds like ragebait

[spiral bone]

"go 17 with weakest killer"
doesn't specify
Uh huh sure thing. Very good argument.

[west pier]

at its core its just holding the survivors hand at this point

[young forum]

killers get punished for not playing in the survivor-approved playstyle. survivors have no consequences for any play style and have complete freedom to do what ever they want.

Killers must follow the rules made for them by survivors or be penalized. It doesn't get more survivor sided than that.

[autumn mirage]

😭 No way you went from 1/10 ragebait to 1.5/10 ragebait

[gray night]

Its actually hilarious you have nothing t osay in this channel buit

"Thats rage bait"

And

"Man I cant play killer"

[void kiln]

They coming for you but you not even wrong

[spiral bone]

why do you keep typing like that?

[snow tusk]

Soul Guard

[gray night]

☝️

[spiral bone]

honestly I'd rather soulguard than the usual Finesse/DS/DH slop I keep running into on the main servers.

[gray night]

Soulguard conviction boon Expo is you cant pick someone up after a wipe animation or a vault

its like 10x worse than finnesse DS DH

[spiral bone]

When's the last time you ever saw a conviction boon though? That you didn't instantly break I mean.

[gray night]

In the ptb a team tried it on me actually sec let me get the screen

told me to eat glass when it failed as well

[spiral bone]

That's actually crazy lmao

[gray night]

It was that one macmillian map and the boon was at the top of the stairs

[spiral bone]

"if our team did gens"
dude is tweaking if he's bringing up what-ifs

[gray night]

So they all ran mid every time

[spiral bone]

oh I love those types of swfs. They get so predictable.

[gray night]

rest of the chat

[old urchin]

what does swf mean

[spiral bone]

okay that's funny as shit
oh swf is a survive with friends group

[old urchin]

ah alright ty

[snow tusk]

We will make it doesn’t affect your self healing speed does it?

[spiral bone]

But yeah, honestly I think my main annoyance with the changes is the whole "blocking generators + increasing repair speed". Feels like too much of a punishment for just playing killer well. Y'know?

[celest jacinth]

Just got a 4K, all dead at 5 gens, slugging and tunelling as Springtrap on PTB. If BHVR forces me to play for Survivor fun, I'll rebel.

[eager badge]

does anyone else know about the conviction speed bug?

[gray night]

I think that needs lessened of an effect

[celest jacinth]

Springtrap is excellent at ignoring the SWF sides PTB rules, His axe can reslug from a good while away

[gray night]

But there needs to be something that prevents the "3v1 is an instant loss" that is currently on live

[spiral bone]

Honestly yeah. Last time I triggered it as a test to compare speeds, and almsot immediately I saw two gens pop. It's either bugged or way too high.

[spiral bone]

this tbh

[gray night]

I think a certain number of gens done or a certain %, the system disables

No "Bonus" or nothing for situations where its like 1 gen left to go and they get a bonus at 3v1

[young forum]

just make it so all the anti-tunnel changes are disabled if 3 gens are completed before the killer has 6 hooks.

[spiral bone]

I say have it disable when the survivors have already completed two gens out of five.

[gray night]

2-3 gens completed is standard pressure at the start of the game would lean on 3 and some change for moving the dial

You guys including hook protections too right? Or just hte gen regress thing?

[spiral bone]

That could work. Though a good enough team can manage three gens with three people I’d reckon. Gives it just comes down to skill level. Would definitely need testing.

[jagged scaffold]

Easiest solution: make the amount of hooks needed for that to trigger dependant on the amount of gens remaining

Higher amount of gens = higher amount of hooks needed to not trigger the penalty

[spiral bone]

I don’t mind the hook protection all that much really. Though I have had a few folks try to abuse it to interrupt chases with the auto aim tracking them.

[gray night]

If anything comes from this update, I think the hook protections, need to stay

[celest jacinth]

To me, eating the penalty is worth it. If you're good at keeping pressure, you should be able to squeeze a 4K out of it, especially with NOED in tow.

[gray night]

the play style of cave man

"Me see unhook notification, me go there" is just so pathetic

Needs to be left in the past

[silent stone]

[celest jacinth]

Easy fix, I just proxy

[young forum]

hook protections and the basekit rewards to killer for splitting hooks and hooking different survivors. everything else can go.

[spiral bone]

I think it should work a bit like how it is in 2v8. That being enough sprint to hide somewhere so your team can heal you along side a decent amount of endurance to get you there in one piece.

[gray night]

You can still do that 100% and use your eyes.

Its like skill expression lol

The slugging changes I dont care.

One person out of like 80+ games now, 1 guy got basekit unbreakable.

BOth sides have to really try to let it happen

Like 90s is so fking long

[celest jacinth]

Honestly I don't like playing so dirty, but its out of principle for me.

If BHVR forces my hand, I will work to rebel, more than I ever would have otherwise.

If I'm forced to not slug or double hook for pressure, I will exclusively do it.

[spiral bone]

Oh yeah that’s another thing. I really don’t like that it’s cumulative and global. If enough people stay down for long enough, eventually everyone gets unbreakable right? Isn’t that a little much?

[celest jacinth]

Once that forcing goes away, so too will my presistence.

[young forum]

same I honestly don't even tunnel THAT much, but with these changes I will throw games to tunnel just out of spite for these changes.

New win condition for killer will be to make sure a survivor is sacrificed with less than 10k points

[spiral bone]

Honestly I’ve been throwing my PTB matches as well to make a point(not all, but most). You know that’ll show in the killer data they look through.

[celest jacinth]

Springtrap has been excellent for it, his axe means I can redown a slug while downing another

[raven flume]

Gen regression perks NEEDS buffs not nerfs bro.

[gray night]

its hard to make it not do that as you could just slug them right back down and like I said 90s is a long friggen time

Honestly in actual play it just doesnt happen. You have 2 teammates trying to help you within 20 seconds.

YOU REALLY have to ignore your teammate to make it happen

Or the killer has to lose you somehow

[young forum]

there really isn't much of a point even playing the ptb if you're not going to tunnel and slug since you kinda gotta test the changes and that is what is being changed.

[spiral bone]

You’d be surprised how often I’ve been seeing people not getting their friends up in the PTB. It’s like they’re trying to procc it

[gray night]

Yea i mean im .... hold up let me see how many survivor matches and killer matches.

Used a hand each time

[young forum]

again, that is the point of a ptb. to abuse the new changes and see how bad they really are

[spiral bone]

True, which is why it’s funny seeing people DC in my matches.

[raven flume]

I have played like 30 killer games with 30 unique killers and best i can say is this ptb is insanely awful.

[spiral bone]

True again. Still, it does lead to some funny moments.

[eager wyvern]

i ran a few games with the pig iri that starts everyone off with a trap and not a signle survivor tried to give me a free kill smh

and people were saying that survivors would sandbag each other to get someone killed early
though i guess one person kind of tried doing something like that with no mither

[gray night]

Its not worth an early 3v1 you still are at a massive disadvantage regardless of the changes

[young forum]

no mither meta since killer is not allowed to kill or slug

[eager wyvern]

yeah ik

[gray night]

lmfao no

[spiral bone]

Also: my only complaints for the Krasue is that the intestinal whip doesn’t go over pallets (even though all the animations show their long enough to clearly reach over them), and that you can’t just M1 with the intestines when someone is really close. It’s so annoying being forced to do the lunge attack and miss because they do a little spin or quickly run around a corner. Miss in the wrong place and you’re starting the whole chase over again lol

[raven flume]

I have played like 10 matches with krasue and she feels awful man..

She needs a direct buff to her kit

[gray night]

so across this many survivor matches 1 guy has gotten up from basekit unbreakable

So 80

[young forum]

no, would still be funny to do as a joke game though just to really test it. 4 no mithers with resilience.

[eager badge]

👍

[eager wyvern]

damn have you like slept since the patch dropped?

[gray night]

slept like an angel

[gray night]

nearly iri on surv on ptb

[snow tusk]

Unrelenting time then ain’t it

[gray night]

killer que takes so fking long

[spiral bone]

I wouldn’t call her awful, but she deff needs a few tweaks. I find running stealth builds while going with a pattern of m1/infect/head attack works pretty well. Also if there’s props around, hit those with the projectile instead and the spray will usually hit the survivor. Same with walls.

[eager wyvern]

oooh say more?

[raven flume]

I didnt even know i can hit survivors directly until my 5th match💔

[spiral bone]

Hold on lemme just grab a pic of what I’m running. This build is so stupid but it works weirdly damn well.

[eager wyvern]

damn those anti tunnel changes be crazy /silly

[young forum]

wait 30 minutes to play killer then all 4 survivors DC because you aren't playing the new killer

[eager wyvern]

mood

[raven flume]

I tried to try kaneki to see how is he (im p100 kaneki btw) and 4 dc instantly🙂‍↕️

[gray night]

Pretty decent first chase 😛

[spiral bone]

This build shouldn't be effective. I made it as a joke. But it keeps working

[young forum]

I played MYERS and survivors are DCing. myers is getting changes in this update idk why they are still DCing.

[spiral bone]

same

[snow tusk]

The lion cares naught if he has three perks

[spiral bone]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-funny-wtf-wth-jesse-gif-17336046

[snow tusk]

Joke is that survivors stops flashing you when they find out you have Lightborn

So then it’s kinda like you’re playing a game with three perks and no one brought flashlights at all

[spiral bone]

Oops. Left that in by mistake. Last match before I went to bed last night was this

[snow tusk]

Truly is the best feeling

They asked for it when they bring all flashlights

[spiral bone]

first ten seconds one pallet stunned me and then tried to flashlight lol

normally it's agitation

the perk I mean

[gray night]

perfectly timed syringe bait

[spiral bone]

diabolical

[sour basin]

shits ass

its so incredibly ass

[raven flume]

Killers needs more rewards for unique hooks and tunneling incentives needs to gone completely or at least make it 3 hooks.

Basekit borrowed needs to be lowered at 20 or 15 seconds

[heady ibex]

Yeah 6 is to much alot of my kills can be in the 4th or 5th hook cause well the survivor not smart

[raven flume]

Let killers see yellow hook aura like..from 32 meters far

So they cant immediately go to hook

[sonic apex]

I like the new killer but it is so annoying you can barely see her

[young forum]

plot twist works to trigger the anti slug mechanic?

[gray night]

test it

[pearl pecan]

yes

[young forum]

It does

[gray night]

loading up a garbage match right now so we have some film behind it

yup plot twist activates it

[young forum]

new meta build

[frigid briar]

Wow, pyramid head FUCKING SUCKS

I'm glad I bought him with the PTB aurics and not real ones to find that out

[merry ledge]

this is one of the best updates dbd has ever pushed out! I'm super excited to see it live ❤️

[young forum]

lmao

good one

[autumn mirage]

Yep now his only advantage of overcome issues if grabbing a survivor kinda dead since killing anyone kick is a fuck you as killer

[merry ledge]

I think this'll have a positive impact on the playerbase in the longrun and help maintain and adds new balancing features to the game!

[autumn mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-bait-gif-17870535188958174605

[merry ledge]

Ragebaiting is for losers...

I'm 100% serious this update is so good

[wide canopy]

anyone? this is super important

[autumn mirage]

Deffinitly new killers will love the experience of downing someone then having to play hide and seek for the people they can kill since the others are now inmune or else you loss!

[merry ledge]

hide and seek? base kit bbq helps me find all the survivors!

I'm a killer main

[young forum]

2/10 ragebait

[autumn mirage]

You cant, only walk pass them but any attack can get auto aim into them so shit like Wesker grab can be still body block or any projectile

[wide canopy]

this is.... so bad

[gray night]

agreed ignore wey.on

They are in here saying killer is unplayable and everythign is rage bait

[autumn mirage]

I love basekit BBQ which gets 0 value since any time i pick a survivor the rest jump into lockers and i get 0 aura reading 🔥

[merry ledge]

rllly?

[wide canopy]

nah, only survivors who have played a few matches do that

[gray night]

Yea bbq lol im not getting in a locker

[wide canopy]

:3

[merry ledge]

i haven't had that happen, been getting ez 4ks with tbe unique hook buff/ruin buff

[fleet lagoon]

kinda ass ngl

[autumn mirage]

Yep, so now they cant body block but can take protection hits without any risk and even drop pallets in your face or block the window the survivor vaulted so you cant interact with it

[autumn mirage]

😭 so salty you now have to copy me, sad bro

[young forum]

you just gotta be the martyr and get yourself tunneled so the other survivors all benefit from the killer being punished for either "tunneling" you or you do a gen in their face.

[fleet lagoon]

-1 survivor that early is always worse than playing normally

[young forum]

idk, it's been working so far

[wide canopy]

funnily enough booba might catch an indirect buff from basekit bbq, iron maiden w

[young forum]

does the new survivor even have ANY grunts of pain/ injured sounds? doesn't seem like it

[wide canopy]

they do

[unkempt elm]

I'll admit that I probably wasn't at the skill level of most groups in ptb, however if they are on last gen you can quickly squeak out 2k if you tunnel at that stage.

[wide canopy]

at least they seem to based on videos ive seen

[merry ledge]

this update isn't bad... I think they just weeding out the bad killer mains/playstyles. I haven't been affected on onyro/wraith/oni/new myers or the new killer

[fluid fern]

agreed

https://tenor.com/view/have-you-ever-heard-of-charles-darwin-married-at-first-sight-charles-darwin-do-you-know-charles-darwin-driving-gif-16831196

[gray night]

EL Snail is here

[frozen widget]

Most killer mains can only think about SWF. But most of these updates are great for Solo Q surviors like me. When kindred is a staple.

[unkempt elm]

Yeah I just think I was up against really good survivor groups, I didn't really notice a difference otherwise. I was still getting my normal 7 hooks. Just getting groups that could handle it and leave me with a goose egg

[wide canopy]

this just in, mmr working suddenly:

it seems most youtubers really dont like it, but ill witholding judgement for anything but individual features

like the inability to lunge through unhookies... thats rough

i hate that

[fluid fern]

https://tenor.com/view/awake-woke-elmo-i-has-awoken-wake-gif-16298489

[wide canopy]

bodyblocking has always been the most annoying playstyle imo

*off hook bodyblocking, i should elaborate

[merry ledge]

even when survs force tunnel its not that big of a debuff

[stark summit]

Genuinely asking, what is considered a Conspicuous action?

[frozen widget]

Like cool, 4 gens left and -1 surv. Now we are 25% less effective. Do i pretend to work on gens or hide for hatch, both lame.

[rare zealot]

conviction + plot twist and the newest anti-slug kit is seriously driving me insane in the ptb server now. I can barely touch anyone since they just gonna swarm around with flash light after i down someone

[wide canopy]

anything with a skill check

use lightborne

[unkempt elm]

No you are right, the rounds I got kills I did resort to tunneling but they had 1 gen left, like okay I probably wont stop them from getting last gen at that point. I do believe most of the groups I was against were just better at the game than I was.

[fleet lagoon]

let's say hypothetically you hook 1 and chase 1, 2 survivors repairing at 200% equivalent speed

if you got sacrificed, that would be 1 on hook, 1 being chased, and 1 survivor repair at 125% equivalent speed

[merry ledge]

dbd players complain about anything i swear

[gray night]

get away from the hook. Solves your problems

[fluid fern]

Just pick them up

[wide canopy]

and when all survivors are there? no it dont

[fluid fern]

if you're worried that much about flashlights, run lightborn

[gray night]

if all 4 survivors are at a single hook. And you somehow dont destroy that team

Bodyblocking doesnt matter

Has to be the wierdest "what if" ever said to me

[wide canopy]

what? what does that have to do with conspicuous actions

[fluid fern]

👆

[young forum]

leave the hook and let them unhook and heal like a good killer that follows the rules

[wide canopy]

even destroying them becomes unsatisfying at that point, personally

[fluid fern]

I dont know why the reply was to that message, my discord is being weird rn

[frozen widget]

Yeah, survior rotation is 1 gen, 1 chase, 1 hook, 1 help.
As soloq its nice that if we lose a guy then the gate might still be possible

[unkempt elm]

Lol lightborn is funny sometimes, I haven't used it in a long time every now and again though... just to see the hesitation when I rush them.

[rare zealot]

tbf, a real penalty for killing someone’s too early is quite a serious thing for killer players and newbie since they can’t do much thing to put more pressure on survivor

[stark summit]

Im just gonna be a killer that memes around after this update. Might try out chest Bubba, that'll be fun

[fluid fern]

we literally all ran it durign the 200% Backgroundplayer meta

its like every patch, everyoen forgets everything and every meta we've had in the past. The shitter killers got shit on, and the non-shitter killers didnt

[wide canopy]

to add on to this, the issue with bodyblocking isnt whether its actually strong or not, its just annoying

[fluid fern]

did you know you didnt use to have flashligth invicibility when pulling someone out fo a locker?

there have been game states where you literally could not kill people

[unkempt elm]

lol, I also didn't think about the fact that most people in PTB are probably, actual high mmr players so I got spanked. Thats life.

[wide canopy]

yeah thats a really good change they made a while ago fr

[fluid fern]

the PTB is literally 2 players, super casual or super sweaty

[wide canopy]

that locker tech was lame

[fluid fern]

People who want to fuck around and people who want to stress test

[young forum]

and survivors complained and cried killer sided when uncounterable locker saves were removed

[fluid fern]

Rememebr when dead hard gave immunity frames?

[wide canopy]

remember when it got you across the map? hahahaha

[gray night]

and killers complained and cried survivor sided when uncounterable hook grabs were removed

[rare zealot]

Wait, they did?

[fluid fern]

like this is nothing compared to what Killers used to have to deal with

[wide canopy]

was that entirely localised here? i didnt see that

[fluid fern]

Yes and a bunch of distance on activation. It was an on command immunity dash

[young forum]

only the ones that used face camping as a legitimate strategy

[wide canopy]

and only limited by exhaustion!

[fluid fern]

This PTB is nothing compared to what we used to have to deal with. Stop fucking tunneling and just chase people

[proven cradle]

my favorite thing about The Krasue is the fact her corpse continues to walk as you enter head mode

[wide canopy]

i love her design and those cool little details

[rare zealot]

That’s insane

[spiral bone]

Just encountered someone using the conviciton speed exploit in the PTB. Holy hell I thought he was HACKING with how bad that was

[rare zealot]

They did cook krasue pretty well tho

[wide canopy]

it was pretty annoying
aight maybe im being hyperbolic abt the whole bodyblocking off hook, but i still dont like it

[rare zealot]

Well, bubba is the only one can counter that i believe

[wide canopy]

krasue is really fun looking, even though fast-thinking killer players seem to be really struggling with her

[frozen widget]

Killers be like, "im punished for removing a 1/4 of their team power early!!!"
"Why are survivors rushing their only objective!!"

[wide canopy]

bodyblocker tilts to the side while they still have endurance and force a wall bump from autocorrection

[fluid fern]

her kit is misleading. She is a lot simpler than her description leads on

[rare zealot]

her skill is pretty fun to use tho, but still require mind game quite a lot there

[fluid fern]

Spit -> head dash -> head dash

and if the survivor dodges the spit too much, you might get a free M1 + spit

and then you just need 1 head dash

[ashen trail]

survivors be like "why are killers rushing their only objective!!!", you can make anything sound stupid if you don't bother to put together a proper argument.

[fluid fern]

and you can catch up/ wraith tech with the headlong thing

[rare zealot]

what is her base speed on the head split form tho

[ashen trail]

140 I believe

[hoary bramble]

yo anyone been noticing a bunch fo cheaters on PBE, these ppl run so fast i cant even catch up on ghoul

[young forum]

killers only objective is to kill. until this update at least. now their primary objective is to make sure survivors have fun.

[fluid fern]

120%

[frozen widget]

Wrong, that was answered in the first sentence.

[fluid fern]

she's as fast as a 115 with BL1

[rare zealot]

m/s

[spiral bone]

It's not a cheat. It's an exploit with Conviction.

[fluid fern]

per gallon

[rare zealot]

so her base speed is same with the other which is 4.6 right?

[hoary bramble]

eh, still scum nontheless.

[frozen widget]

Dramatic

[young forum]

sure, but doesn't make it untrue

[fluid fern]

she's faster

and she has a dash

[hoary bramble]

tbh you can care less by runnig a full end game build: BW, NWO,Remeber me and filler perk

[rare zealot]

b-but isn’t exploit is some kind of cheat also 🤓

[frozen widget]

The game has a core problem. Obviously SWF should be a seperate mode and some rules should be different. I have yet to hear a killer understand soloq problems.

[spiral bone]

I'm glad they're doing it. The one I ran into made it obvious something was wrong and then explained the exploit in the chat before leaving. I'm glad it's being noticed in the PTB instead of letting it go live.

Also guess what? It's linked to the slugging mechanic. Basically if you get picked up with conviction and get downed and hooked before the timer runs out, you get a MASSIVE speed boost upon getting unhooked and lets you also keep the ramping speed you get from the basekit tenacity from the anti-slug mechanic.

[hoary bramble]

1. your teamates sucks, 2. you get tunneled. Anything else?

[fluid fern]

https://tenor.com/view/make-some-friends-benjamin-engvid-meet-new-people-socialize-gif-24543545

or you know. Join any of the SWF channels in this server

[hoary bramble]

bad take, solo Q does have problems and telling them to make friends is not a good solution nor is it any solution

[frozen widget]

3.Teamates activly going againnst you 4. Communication 5. Planned meme strats...want more?

[fluid fern]

yes it is a solution and no it isnt a bad take

[rare zealot]

killer gonna have to pull out mind reading to know what is the squad of survivors gonna do next

[fluid fern]

welcome to Killer

[ashen trail]

what does planned meme strats even mean

[frozen widget]

Not happening

[young forum]

sure but solo queue is a choice you are making to not play swf so I don't sympathize with people who think the game should be balanced around solo queue.
thats like saying all killers should be S tier so you aren't "forced" to play nurse if you want the best chance to win.

[gray night]

The game shouldnt be balanced around the 95% of players

Good one

[frozen widget]

You might vall them bully squads. Flashlighting and breaking hooks.

[ashen trail]

how is that a solo queue survivor issue?

[rare zealot]

isn’t that supposed to be killer problem tho

[hoary bramble]

honestly they should have VC in dbd, as its a party game so VC makes it far more interactive with your fellow surviviors

[young forum]

because you always have the option to play swf instead

[frozen widget]

Well then the cycle of killers blaming mechanics that benefit a large portion of players continues.

[violet wasp]

Ngl, these new changes are terrible.

[hoary bramble]

also makes a lot of the issues w soloQ go away

[gray night]

"its your choice to not play Blight/Billy/Nurse/Drac" but I dont sympathize with people who think the game should be balanced around not S tier killers.

[rare zealot]

so can we like nerf or change the way they doing like what they did to killer side one?

[ashen trail]

given how awful endgame chat is I think that's something that sounds good but you don't actually want

[young forum]

valid

[frozen widget]

Anyway, some of these changes do suck. Im out. Take it easy everybody.

[violet wasp]

I've had the anti tunnel measures kick in even when I was not tunneling

[hoary bramble]

killer obvioulsy wont hear VC

[ashen trail]

you do NOT want to hear what the ace has to say to the sandbagging mikaela

unironically survivor disconnects increase exponentially if you add VC lmao

[rare zealot]

Don’t you dare to hook some one 3 time unless you already done 6 hooks to the other

[violet wasp]

I really think it's also dumb for them to remove killer seeing hooks. Because that's some important info for killer, why should they be rewarded for being hooked or getting killed early?

[rare zealot]

You know what, 4 GEN IN 5 MINS

[ashen trail]

my math says it triggers in roughly 1/10 games assuming hooks are completely random, which ignores the rat hiding in the corner never taking chase

[abstract carbon]

Says every low skill killer main

[violet wasp]

I tried to be hopeful for these changes but after playing them on both sides, I felt my hand being held too much as survivor, and as killer it's too punishing when you do well. It's goofy.

[ashen trail]

"if you disagree with me ur bad" solid argument

[fluid fern]

🧢 you're going to have to try a little hard to cosplay as a survivor player

send your player stats and Ill believe you

[ashen trail]

it did genuinely feel absurdly exploitable as survivor to have 30s BT though

[abstract carbon]

I’ve already explained countless times why the changes are beneficial to the game in general and I’m done repeating myself, look at the win rates

[fluid fern]

so you did nothing for 30 seconds, damn thats a lot of free slowdown for the killer

[ashen trail]

preventing a hit isn't doing nothing though, are you implying altruism is always bad because it's slowdown? someone should tell those DBDL fellas

[tropic cairn]

is ptb even fun for the survivors rn

[violet wasp]

I can't send images, but I'll assure I am not good at either role I just play for fun, but when I played the PTB as survivor it was geniunely so stupid to have 30 seconds of Endurance at end game collapse and being able to escape for pretty much free is not fun.

[ashen trail]

no less fun than live, not really much more fun imho

[rare zealot]

it fun, trust me man, as long as you can bully a killer and make sure they never picked you up again

[violet wasp]

I've seen this argument said by everyone who thinks these changes are good lmao

[gray night]

its not valid, its a garbage ass take lol

[abstract carbon]

The matches are at an all time high for each side, you only have killer mains who relied to heavily on slugging and tunneling complaining because they lack killer mechanics and game knowledge

[violet wasp]

If these changes are good, how come you see most of the community just fucking hate it?

I've even seen survivor mains dislike it.

[tropic cairn]

ikr

[abstract carbon]

You’re still on about that, I’ve played about 20 games on killer and almost all of those games have been a 4K using only two perks and no add-ons on midtier killers

[ashen trail]

$10 OF AURIC CELLS HAVE BEEN DEPOSITED TO YOUR ACCOUNT. THANK YOU FOR USING BHVR-PAY.

[violet wasp]

Suuuure.

[spiral bone]

I keep seeing this and people forget about survivors that intentionally try to die on hook.

[fluid fern]

its not most of the community

[gray night]

up point 👆 ☝️

[abstract carbon]

They removed the abilities for survivors to do that on hook too early in the game

[merry ledge]

yuuuup -killer main

[tropic cairn]

i bet that most of those 4k games had the killer using Ruin and/or having to leave the target they just downed

[gray night]

the hell does ruin have to do with anything

[tropic cairn]

its op now

[ashen trail]

it stops u using new pop lol

[merry ledge]

lol should see old ruin

[dull heart]

I just saw what they did with the “anti-tunnel”. The game is about to end I see

[tropic cairn]

ik old ruin and you can use pop if they break your Ruin

[abstract carbon]

They could reward killer a bit more overall for unique hooks but everything else checks out

[spiral bone]

My point still stands. Also survivors have already figured out they can use the anti-tunnel to waste your time by trying to interrupt chases to bait the inbuilt auto-aim.

[fluid fern]

Hardly go cleanse it

[tropic cairn]

Undying

[dull heart]

Dead by Daylight is dead.

[merry ledge]

then u tunnel them out n still win a 3v1 at 4 gens 🙂

[abstract carbon]

That’s a very niche scenario that can’t be reliably abused without selling their team, I wouldn’t worry about it in higher MMR lobbies

[fluid fern]

or just simply know where totems spawn

[gray night]

lmfao

[fluid fern]

❓

[abstract carbon]

Says the guy called last brain cell, I bet that really shines in your killer gameplay

[ashen trail]

taking hits with BT was already good though

[hoary bramble]

if its 3v1 at 4 gens you would have lost even if he didnt tunnel

[abstract carbon]

That can be good in endgame if you hook a survivor too close to the gate otherwise experienced survivors won’t waste their time with silly antics like that mid game if you’re applying the correct pressure.

[merry ledge]

?? im the killer

[hoary bramble]

then its a free win

[ashen trail]

what do you mean "silly antics" standing in a door to prevent a hook trade is just a good play

[violet wasp]

It also makes you want to play one specific way, and what made DBD fun for me is the fact I could play with different strats. Sure tunneling is boring, but once it's at 1 or 2 gens. It's a good idea to get a survivor out of the game before you just get drop kicked to oblivion. Slugging imo is always boring on both sides. I don't exactly go for meta builds, Imo, this system should at least be disabled for the last two or one gen because again, why should you be punished for killing someone before six hooks or hooking repeatedly? It's weird imo and kinda backwards.

[hoary bramble]

also the person you just hooked and is now death hook is by definition invicinble. They can just hop on a gen and you cant do anyting

[merry ledge]

yeh thats why the "oh they force u to tunnel" is so dumb of an excuse. it never works out

[inner wren]

killer sided

[abstract carbon]

Instead of reverting beneficial changes on game play for both sides they should reward killer a bit more for unique hooks

[merry ledge]

lol no

[spiral bone]

It has happened multiple times so far, including one where someone was using the conviction exploit. You cannot just go "oh it won't happen in high-play" because in high play lobbies you're going against the same exact meta perks over and over and then you'll STILL see them do it because it works.
I've had matches in high MMR before the PTB where I've gotten two or three people trying to body block me in a sequence while carrying a survivor, and sometimes in a chase. Do you have any idea how much more often they'll do it now that they get rewarded for it?

[merry ledge]

3v1 at 4.. 3 even 2 gens is an ez win

[hoary bramble]

vs human teams you have higher pressure so tunneling is mcuh more of a favorable strat. if you manage to get one out at 4 gens that team didnt belong where it did

[spiral bone]

meanwhile the game punishes the killer for it.

[ashen trail]

I don't think that a springtrap taking a loop at 4.4 without any plans to use his axe is really a good judge of game balance tbh lmao

[fluid fern]

https://tenor.com/view/omgtakumi-ae86comeon-gif-20379603

[abstract carbon]

That’s why I’ve said multiple times they need to reward killer more for spreading out their hooks and potentially change the no kill rule before 6 hooks and make it 4

[violet wasp]

So, why should survivors be rewarded if one of their friends died early?

[merry ledge]

bro what

[violet wasp]

There's a lot of scenarios where someone died early due to their mistakes.

Now killers must ignore those mistakes if these changes go live.

[spiral bone]

Considering so far their new mechanics have broken multiple things, we just gotta throw it all out.

[hoary bramble]

MMR thing, if a team is trash to the point of letting 3 go down and hooked without popping 3 gens they are boosted. Aka playing far above actual skill level.

[fluid fern]

what species do you play DBD with that isn't human

[abstract carbon]

Because if there friend is new to the game they shouldn’t be thrown in an unwinnable position for losing 1 early

[ashen trail]

I wish there were some kind of perk that could increase my bloodpoints by roughly 0.25x base for each new survivor I hooked to disincentivise tunnelling

[merry ledge]

clankers

[fluid fern]

incorrect, you chase the rest of the team

[abstract carbon]

Crazy take i haven’t heard that one yet

[violet wasp]

So, what you're saying is. Slug them. Which would be terrible at that point it's better to hook them

[hoary bramble]

you'd be suprised at what i see. Some lobbies its actual good ppl so it goes to endgame while in others i get 4k at 4 gens.

[violet wasp]

What if someone fell to a Trapper's trap and they just got unhooked? You want that Trapper to just ignore them?

[fluid fern]

you get 90 seconds of free slugging, that's an entire gen

[abstract carbon]

Or you just tunneled out a weak link and now the game for survivors is completely un winnable unless the killer has a stroke and it becomes a game of hide and seek and that’s not fun for anyone

[fluid fern]

slug them

[ashen trail]

title update "anti-slug update"
"yeah just slug more"

[hoary bramble]

mistakes should be punished, a game that gives second chances by virtue of existing is badly designed. Imagine if survivors gets 25% gen debuff after popping one gen in the game's first min

[fluid fern]

your last sentence is moronic

[violet wasp]

And let them get up by their other team mate and have them fix gens while I chase someone else? Yeah, no. If someone makes a mistake, you capitlize on it. If a survivor makes a mistake, you punish it. If a killer makes a mistake, you punish it.

It's how PVP games go.

[fluid fern]

you getting second chances to win as killer by focusing out one of four opponents is the same logic

[gray night]

lmfao

[young forum]

survivors are the only ones allowed to make mistakes in DBD on this ptb

[fluid fern]

ah yes because no is getting kills right guys?

[gray night]

we have literal footage of a streamer doing several mistakes and its the top comment on reddit whining about basekit bt

Spooknjukes

And he still 4kd

[fluid fern]

killrate is 0%?????????????

[abstract carbon]

And this PTB aims to make solo que games more balanced because there’s obviously a huge difference between a SWF on coms and 4 solo que players

[violet wasp]

SWF, Solo que, doesn't matter. Mistakes must be punished.

[hoary bramble]

oh no we insulting now, what should i do.

[gray night]

come up with something tangible rather than what if s

[young forum]

only way to make solo queue games more balanced is by nerfing swf. anything else would also buff swf making the gap between the two even larger

[gray night]

seems to be the only thing you have in your ammunition is just whatifs gk

[fluid fern]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[violet wasp]

I wouldn't mind anti tunnel changes, but this is WAY too overtuned.

[abstract carbon]

Either they should add voice chat in game for survivors or go through with these balance changes. Take your pick

[gray night]

changes

[hoary bramble]

how? if they tunnel someone pop gens, and dont get 3 gen'd. Killer cant regress gens infintely anymore.

[gray night]

more what ifs

[young forum]

you can't buff solo queue in a way that swf doesn't also benefit from it, so that does not make the gap between the two smaller, it stays the same or makes it even bigger.

[hoary bramble]

bro either make a point or stay silent. Be a human being.

[fluid fern]

making the game accessible and enjoyable and more healthy for new players is correct

[hoary bramble]

new survivors

[abstract carbon]

Bingo

[fluid fern]

you tunneling is bad habits

[fluid fern]

https://tenor.com/view/family-feud-survey-says-strike-buzzer-wrong-answer-gif-16312959

[abstract carbon]

Snail, you’re the only one in this chat I’ve seen so far that is practical and reasonable

[fluid fern]

Oh thats why Im here

[violet wasp]

Nothing about these takes is reasonable, what do you mean I should slug someone if they make a mistake 💀

[fluid fern]

im not going to let a bunch of tunnel fodder dominate this PTB discussion

[ashen trail]

new killer players trying to dodge the tunnel penalties be looking like neo in the matrix

[hoary bramble]

bro i havent been tunneling in weeks well maybe if you bring annoying perks then ill hard tunnel to get you out then let the 3 escape but hey. We have our little pleasures.

[fluid fern]

its not that hard, the game tells you exactly the info you need to not tunnel

[inner wren]

i guess he overestimated his ability to loop that main

[fluid fern]

so you tunnel by your own rulebook

[abstract carbon]

A new killer player versus four solo Q new Survivor players will absolutely wash them as killer doesn’t require any team coordination. It’s just your performance that dictates the match.

[fluid fern]

https://tenor.com/view/noooo-giga-chad-scream-mirror-gif-15250052683530088091

[gray night]

You dont have anything to say though

All you do is shift goal posts and whine and put up another what if

[ashen trail]

you see, I depicted you as the crying liberal and myself as the chad, so your argument is invalid

[gray night]

You have no gameplay backing ANYTHING you say up

[fluid fern]

damn

[gray night]

its just hilarious gk. Honestly

ptb the T means Test

As in actually test changes

[hoary bramble]

like my take has always been freedom for both sides, i can tunnel slug camp all i want and you can gen rush sabo flashlight idc.

[gray night]

Not speculate back and forth

Actually play the game

[fluid fern]

so...anarchy

[merry ledge]

I love these changes /srs

[spiral bone]

naur not someone telling me to "syw till ur numb" in the endgame chat for playing Myers
(and of course they were trying to abuse the anti-tunnel)

[hoary bramble]

and thats good since it gives variety to the game. I dont want survivors being limited on items they can bring, i dont want killers being limited on what they can do.

[fluid fern]

we should bring back all the old mechanics from the survivors that had no counterplay like original borrowed time that gave the unhooker endurance

[abstract carbon]

Behavior has done a great job incentivizing a better play style for each side, although they should reward killer a bit more for spreading out their hooks. Everything else has hit the mark.

[hoary bramble]

but if one side is being restricted while the other is not, thats unfair and i call this out.

[fluid fern]

That's you logic right? no game balance, do whatever you want. If one side has somethign oppressive, too bad. Old DS, old DH no flashlight immunity, old mettle of man that gave procs from just basic attacks, old BT that gave unhooker endurance, etc etc right?

200% background player

[merry ledge]

when my new surv friends get tunneled out hard constantly for being new and ez to tunnel they get discouraged to play. They're all so happy to try the game again 🙂

[violet wasp]

What does this have to do with the current changes though?

[abstract carbon]

I wouldn’t call it restricted as much as I’d call it incentivizing a better play style for both sides, all they need to do is reward killer a bit more for unique hooks and the PTB is perfect

[fluid fern]

Im shutting up @hoary bramble stupid argument

where he thinks no game balance is healthy

[ashen trail]

healing under hook 100% of the time with we'll make it because there's no risk isn't really a better play style, nor is crawling to every pallet when you're downed instead of thinking if you should recover. They've removed meaningful decisions with this patch that I'm not sure lead to more interesting play even on the survivor side

[hoary bramble]

if one side is overly strong, it should be brougt back to balance. Killers arent strong rn is the question and they are still being nerfed

the game was fine as it was in live patch is my point

we dont need to take a hammer to it for no reason

[merry ledge]

lol

[fluid fern]

oh so you do want game balance?? careful careful you just completely contradicted yourself

because it blew up in your face

[hoary bramble]

in fact most killers are weak by BHVR's own logic. 60% KR is what they want. Guess how many killers have that

[fluid fern]

most

[hoary bramble]

gimme stats then

[fluid fern]

they give killer statistics every patch

[abstract carbon]

DBD at average MMR is killer sided point blank period, but at the highest level it is SWF sided, these balance changes aim to support solo Q non com survivors more and even the win rates for killers and survivors to 50-50 because right now killer has over a 60% win rate which speaks volumes

[fluid fern]

go look it up, its not my job to debunk your nonsense whn the information is readily available. Inform yourself

[abstract carbon]

Exactly

[ashen trail]

it's literally 0! check nightlight right now, the highest is ghoul at 54%. They have trended down significantly recently

[hoary bramble]

https://nightlight.gg/killers/viewer?shown=pick|kill|dist&sort=pick&start_days=28

[fluid fern]

So DBD uses nightlight for their internal balance decisions right?

[violet wasp]

You brought up stuff that were broken in the past, what GK is saying these changes aren't good for the game. I doubt GK wants old Mettle of Man for example. Game balance doesn't equal the removal of strats like tunneling.

[ashen trail]

what, you'd rather use stats from old patches instead?

[spiral bone]

That...huh????????
That's not a good way to balance it. Y'know what how about we disable the changes if there's a swf in the lobby? I think that would work well.

[hoary bramble]

its the best we have as BHVR wont give us numbers.
and NL seems reliable with goo sample size

[fluid fern]

did you guys know only 282 games of clown have ever been played in 10 years?

[abstract carbon]

@ashen trail try to see reason, once you’ve thoroughly played both sides and gotten a good understanding on where the game is at you’ll see why these balance changes are necessary

[hoary bramble]

you never used the site and it shows

[fluid fern]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-wow-you-dont-say-michael-office-wow-michael-scott-gif-11124235989547302113

[ashen trail]

what do you mean "play both sides"? I'm 70/30 killer with like 1k hours and I think these changes reek lmao

[abstract carbon]

Horrifying take! Punishing survivors for playing with their friends has gotta be one of the worst takes I’ve heard in this channel so far.

[hoary bramble]

it tracks 38k games over the last 12 weeks which is a good sample size

in the last 28 days 8k games where tracked

[violet wasp]

Anti tunneling isn't healthy at all, it's an actual strat near the end game to slow down the team. Hardcore tunneling at 5/4/3 gens I feel like is fair to punish, but once it's at 1 or 2? I think it's fair game to get someone out to exert preassure for the killer.

[fluid fern]

Hardly

[abstract carbon]

I have 500 hours roughly on both killer and Survivor myself. I have a very good understanding on what the game needs and agree with this PTB but I also will say that I think killer needs to rewarded more than they currently are for unique hooks, Other than that the changes are great.

[violet wasp]

Do you think I should complain when survivors do their objective? Not at all.

[merry ledge]

lol i do haha

[fluid fern]

4 months is literally the amount of time between content drops. That is a pitiful sample size

[paper dock]

In the end game, the anti tunneling stuff is both less likely to proc and less impactful on the remainder of the game. No need to complicate things further imo

[fluid fern]

because Nurse skill expression today is equivalent to release nurse

[hoary bramble]

give me someting better then? you said BHVR released killer stats every patch yet where are they. When i brought my own data you throw a fit?

[fluid fern]

thats not your data

[abstract carbon]

Whenever you see a killer main complain about this PTB it’s always a good idea to remind them. That killer win rates are currently above 60%.

[hoary bramble]

source?

[ashen trail]

this is objectively untrue

[violet wasp]

I do as well but I don't want them nerfed at all.

[gray night]

wheres your data?

[hoary bramble]

https://nightlight.gg/killers/viewer?shown=pick|kill|dist&sort=pick&start_days=28

[gray night]

thats not your data

[abstract carbon]

Just search it up on dbd data tracker or ask ChatGPT it’s a fact

[ashen trail]

"ask chatgpt its a fact" good lord did those steroids fry your brain

[gray night]

sorry in a match I actually play the ptb

[merry ledge]

chatgpt 🥀

[violet wasp]

CHAT FUCKING GPT? LMAO

[abstract carbon]

Cope and insults without any data or trying to back up your point good job 👏

[hoary bramble]

i literally brought a link to a data tracking website providing both KR, PR and games played over time and you go: nuh uh

when i ask the same to back any of yall's claims of 60% KR for multiple killers all i get is: Nuh uh

[violet wasp]

Yeaaah

[gray night]

okay lets use your silly take agasinst you

[abstract carbon]

I just searched it up again and the first thing that pops up explains that killer universally has always had a 60% or above win rate I’m not going to debate a fact

[fluid fern]

@hoary bramble explain this big guy

[ashen trail]

"random tier list with no meaningful evidence and your own personal deathslinger stats" yeah, checkmate

[fluid fern]

why do I have double my killer's kill rate on my killer? 🤔

[abstract carbon]

Stop bringing up kill rate we are talking about win rates

[fluid fern]

this is from nightlight you smoothbrain

[gray night]

buff nurse its not even 50% kr

[hoary bramble]

give me any link to any site that tells me this thats not CHAT GPT, aka the AI that hallucinates and has meaninful sample size

[ashen trail]

because ur above average on slinger? you think every slinger player has 80% kr???

[abstract carbon]

They are the salty killer main goes again bring up kill rates we are talking about win rates

[merry ledge]

lol 3/10 ragebait

[gray night]

I dont even think GK plays the game honestly

Bout to bin them

[fluid fern]

so are you saying the game should be balanced around players who are bad at killer?

and do not have skill expression on each killer?

that sounds like an inceredibly healthy thing to do. :0

[violet wasp]

This new update removes skill expression

It's why I hope the PTB changes don't go through.

It removes cruical information for the killer.

[gray night]

https://stats.deadbydaylight.com/

Link yours. Dont see it by the end of this next match. Pretty convinced you dont even play the game then

[abstract carbon]

I’m not going to go out of my way to prove something to you when you can look it up yourself, killer has always had above a 60% win rate, not kill rate, WIN RATE, I shouldn’t be able to play 10 games on killer back to back on a mid tier killer and completely dominate survivors, running no perks or add-ons, that was the state of DBD before this update

[fluid fern]

@hoary bramble @ashen trail Explain this

I'd love to see how you explain out of this

[ashen trail]

explain that you played twins for six hours and had an above average kill rate?

[fluid fern]

https://tenor.com/view/eating-starving-gif-26035414

[ashen trail]

you're pub stomping because there is a low MMR roof in this game, gratz I guess?

[hoary bramble]

easy, by spending 350 hours playing the same killer, mastery every aspect of them. Every wall hit, every hole you can shoot through over 1.5k games. You can win consistently vs survivors who arent as experienced as you?
Its like asking why someone who did one thing for 350 hours is better than someone who did 12 things for the same amount of time?

also yeah MMR cap

[hoary bramble]

most survs never play vs twins so dont know the counterplay?

[violet wasp]

It's still wild how someone tried to use ChatGPT as a source

[fluid fern]

so why is the kill rate so low????

[abstract carbon]

That’s not impressive, but there’s no team coordination and they are all solo Q, try doing the same thing against an average, SWF

[hoary bramble]

so you dont have one, just say that then.

[fluid fern]

Im not in low MMR, youre a clown

[abstract carbon]

Show me your links it’s your job to prove to me not the other way around pal

[fluid fern]

my default MMR is at cap because of my winrates on every killer

[ashen trail]

because the average player sucks and loses 100% of games against a cracked killer or cracked survivor team lmao, it's why you have 50+ escape streaks in solo queue survivor and a 2K killer winstreak

[ashen trail]

yes and MMR cap is shockingly low, you're farming gamer dads

[hoary bramble]

I DID MULTIPLE TIMES BOZO, JUST LOOK UP NIGHTLIGHT KILL RATES how incredously idiotic can a man be? Maybe you really should hop off the gear man.

[fluid fern]

so those survivors who que into me, deserve to have absolutely no help from the game and I should be abel to abuse them with no counterplay game loops right?

like tunneling and slugging aggressively right? and games should end in 2 minutes?

[violet wasp]

The game shouldn't hold their hands! They should bloody learn.

[fluid fern]

Nightlight says deathslinger and twins are bad, how can this be?

[abstract carbon]

Wrong on so many levels, it’s because solo Q survivors fall apart because there’s no coms and team coordination when you play killer at the same level as survivors, you almost always win because it’s just your performance, you’re not relying on anyone

[violet wasp]

It's how every PVP games goes.

[ashen trail]

no, there should be a higher MMR cap so that they don't have to play against 1000 hour deathslingers after winning 10 games LMAO

[fluid fern]

and what does that have to do with the PTB cutie

[abstract carbon]

I’m not reading all that emotional yap, send the link 🔗

[fluid fern]

https://tenor.com/view/bart-simpson-the-simpsons-at-least-you-tried-fail-failure-gif-7859548

[violet wasp]

A loss should teach you how to play better.

[fluid fern]

send your stats for either role, Id love to see some qualifications

[merry ledge]

hard tunnelling houldn't be easy imo

[fluid fern]

agreed

[hoary bramble]

ok i feel like i am in some sort of divine comedy, pretty sure this is a layer of purgatory or smth where i gotta convince morons to move on. But sure AGAIN, have the link.
https://nightlight.gg/killers/viewer?shown=pick|kill|dist&sort=pick&start_days=28

[abstract carbon]

No, the route that behavior is taking currently is the correct one

[violet wasp]

Yes, hard tunneling at 5-4-3 gens is valid to punish. But at 2 or 1. I think is fair.

[ashen trail]

the PTB changes could be solved by a higher MMR cap instead so that you don't have baby survivors playing against 1K hour slinger players lol

[fluid fern]

https://tenor.com/view/now-which-one-is-the-truth-lying-tell-me-truth-dont-lie-to-me-gif-15121748

[abstract carbon]

OK, so I’m not sure if you can read, but it clearly states on the link you sent kill and pick rates, and I’m not sure if you can remember either when I said win rates

[fickle crane]

"Virgil, this jounrey through the layers of hell... it's like we're in some kind of Divine Comedy"

[hoary bramble]

true, i wish i had vergil rn to take me away

[fluid fern]

and here's a smaller sample size (last 30 days)

[hoary bramble]

save me from these absolute Apes

[violet wasp]

Man, you're WAY more patient than me lmao. I would've cut my loses 💀

[ashen trail]

"I personally win most of my games, therefore everyone must" you can not be for real

[fluid fern]

say something intelligent or cite your own credibility

[fluid fern]

the game should not be balanced to cater to low skill expression

based on average statistics from a thrid party website

[violet wasp]

And why should survivors be rewarded for mistakes now? I'd love to hear it.

[gray night]

okay match is over did gk post anything

[abstract carbon]

Anyway I’m going to send you the picture, but I have to leave for a bit @ashen trail

@hoary bramble

[ashen trail]

you're right, but you pub stomping doesn't really prove a point. you're great at the game, good for you, but you're well above MMR cap and trashing teams that shouldn't have been matched against you.

[fluid fern]

yes he called us Apes, so Im eating a banana

[hoary bramble]

sure, it better be worth it

[silk horizon]

uhh guys why i cant upd my game to ptb version in steam?

[fluid fern]

correct, and so those teams deserve to have a healthier game experience when the matchmaking fails

[gray night]

AH well I wanna say that I am not surprised but it looks like GK doesnt play this game at least at any level. Linking your own stats isnt that hard

in the bin he goes

[fluid fern]

https://tenor.com/view/mean-girls-gif-22400427

[ashen trail]

have you restarted steam since PTB launched or do you keep ur pc on all the time

[ashen trail]

or just raise the MMR cap?

[silk horizon]

bruu i restarted steam and i see no upd

[violet wasp]

Go to betas.

[fluid fern]

so now I sit in que for 2 hours? that seems healthy

[violet wasp]

If it's not there, then that's weird.

[spiral bone]

someone just told me "exploiting new killer bug, nice"
and then just refused to elaborate what the "exploit" with the Krasue was. Assuming there even is one.

[fluid fern]

or maybe I sit in que for 3 hours?

[sweet quartz]

Ngl it's funny, in the same ptb they added the antitunnel update, they also released a killer that encourages tunneling, while somehow, being a worse plague

[gray night]

a worse plague ? yikes

[violet wasp]

Is she a worse Plague? Tbh I find her to be WAY different.

[fluid fern]

she does not encourage tunneling. you can cleanse her power for free throughout the match for free

[violet wasp]

But from what I've played using her she's extremely different. Sure infection is there similar to her, but that where the similarities end.

[ashen trail]

IDK what you want man, you're simply a better player than the average survivor. good for you. either you want the MMR cap raised so the don't have to play against you, or you nerf the entire role and kill the experience for all the players that don't have 300 hours to commit to slinger

[sweet quartz]

Its damn near the same, you get the survivors sick with some virus then m1 one them imo

[fluid fern]

I dont want MMR cap raised. I dont want the role nerfed, I want survivor buffed so that the game is healthier

[ashen trail]

I remember the plague tech where you fly in front of the survivors to block pallets, goes hard

[violet wasp]

Why should they be?

[ashen trail]

buffing survivor is nerfing killer

[violet wasp]

Do enligten me.

[fluid fern]

there is nothing holding this game back more than low skill expression tunnellers

ruinging the game for the majority of players

[violet wasp]

It's a playstyle.

[fluid fern]

incorrect

[ashen trail]

insane opinion

[fluid fern]

you dont play other games

[violet wasp]

The more I read these the more insane I feel like I am going.

[ashen trail]

the two sides are on a scale, you tip one side and the other moves. every killer nerf is a survivor buff and vice versa

[violet wasp]

I've seen cases where killers didn't even tunnel and got punished.

[ashen trail]

I have no idea where this comes from

[fluid fern]

thats like sayign buffing any character in any game is nerfing every other character, that is such a fallacy

[violet wasp]

Killers not being able to see their hooks and when a survivor got unhooked is a HUGE nerf.

[ashen trail]

take this logical fallus into your mouth lmao gottem

[spiral bone]

so far everytime I've been hit with the punishment I wasn't even trying to tunnel smh

[sweet quartz]

To me, she encouraged to tunnel to get tje survivors sick with the stupid vomit shit, then m1 them to death, just to be kicked in tje nuts because you're playing a tunnel-y killer imo

[fluid fern]

they can see hook stages now

[violet wasp]

Wild.

[violet wasp]

The hook's aura is what I meant.

[fluid fern]

tf are you M1ing with that killer

[ashen trail]

they could also count to two before tbf, it's reducing skill expression to nerf the role's info

[fluid fern]

thats not how her gameplay loop works

[violet wasp]

Someone getting unhooked is crucial info, and I don't know why they're removing it.

[fluid fern]

so survivor is nerfed in the new system. Damn guess we should push it through since Nightlight's data says killers need a buff right @hoary bramble and @ashen trail?

[violet wasp]

At this point, you're ragebaiting.

[fluid fern]

because a buff to killer = a nerf to survivor right?

[violet wasp]

YES!

[fluid fern]

https://tenor.com/view/always-sunny-frank-oh-my-god-i-get-it-gif-22328165

[ashen trail]

100%. I just don't know where you're finding killer buffs outside of the myers rework lmao

[iron pasture]

[digital forge]

I don't get the unhooks being cloaked either tbh

[fluid fern]

Killers can see hook states on the UI, thats a buff, more info. so by your logic thats a nerf to survivor. Good system for killer 👍

[violet wasp]

Jumping Jesus on a pogostick, they show it now so you don't tunnel, no shit.

[fluid fern]

[sweet quartz]

The new killer is fine, again, in my opinion, she kinda encourages tunneling but's fun otherwise

[gray night]

unique hooks also

[fluid fern]

https://tenor.com/view/correct-plankton-gif-14118231

[violet wasp]

If they didn't, you'd accidentally tunnel.

[gray night]

that 10% haste is giving value

well I get 10 since I play sm

[ashen trail]

the pig +2% haste, but she loses the ability to down survivors is not exactly considered a net buff. surely you can look at the broader killer changes and say this is a net nerf

[violet wasp]

All of these takes are weird.

[fluid fern]

and guess what: You can still two hook people wihtout punishment

[digital forge]

I feel like the hook count being visible doesn't even matter, you could already figure it out the only thing changed is now we can save brainpower for more important things

[violet wasp]

What a bad change tbh, I hope it doesn't go through.

[fluid fern]

pass whatever you're smoking bro, we all need a hit of that

[hidden solstice]

Why is it that with 2 people death hook your still not allowed to kill one or you give the survivors a buff 😭 these devs are NOT COOKING

[sweet quartz]

I hope the tweak the update throughout the ptb, cuz the current state kinda sucks imo

[gray night]

hope it stays.

Dont need people running back to an unhook notification

[fluid fern]

same level of shit post as the "removes basic attacks" thing from yesterday

[fluid fern]

this

[gray night]

or the "kindred is a crutch perk" take lol

[violet wasp]

Bro.

[fluid fern]

if you want notification for unhook, run Make your choice, jagged compass, or floods fo rage

but thats you choosing a crutch in your build for your bad play

[gray night]

or just proxy and remember where you hooked

use eyes

[fluid fern]

not a basekit feature

[fluid fern]

https://tenor.com/view/shawn-comedy-clean-glasses-asl-gif-11965529

[violet wasp]

How is going back to a hook a bad play to let's say, stop a heal. Chase the unhooker, etc.

[sweet quartz]

You could just... play Hux ig idk man

[ashen trail]

if you don't want to be tunnelled, use DS or OTR. but that's just you choosing a crutch in your build for bad play

[fluid fern]

DS and OTR dont stop tunneling, they delay the next hook

[peak needle]

I really hope BHVR will revert their changes on that, that's just dumb i can't even play ghostface or sadako anymore

[sweet quartz]

What happened to ghosty

[fluid fern]

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-stupid-smooth-brain-idiot-gif-20901280

[digital forge]

lowkey babysitter got nuked in the process since you don't need the assurance now

[violet wasp]

I mean, you said the same thing.

[fickle crane]

I don’t think the answer should just be perks, especially when one of them can’t be unlocked without spending 5 dollars

[fluid fern]

being tunneled has nothing to do with the skill of the survivor, that is not the same thing holy shit

tunnelers tunnel. tf is this victim blame shit

[violet wasp]

Also wait, bad play to hooking someone? I just re-read what you said lmao

[sweet quartz]

This is probably one of the worst ptbs for killer ngl

[young forum]

the basekit being buffed to be so strong that a perk is no longer needed is not a perk getting nuked

[fluid fern]

bad play to not proxy the hook properly if thats your plan to do so

[violet wasp]

I don't proxy camp, I usually go back to hook because people heal under hook and I just go there to stop it to exert more preassure.

[fluid fern]

and if you want free unhook info, there are perks to do it. No more basekit hand holding for killers to tunnel with

[violet wasp]

HOW IS THAT HAND HOLDING?

[pearl pecan]

Yeah its horrible. if the slugging goes through Im quitting cause I cant play twins

[peak needle]

Basically unplayable, if you see the same survivor and marked them twice you can't even kill them/hook them. I have done lot of games with him, each time the one who was previously hooked kept following me to reveal me all the time because they knew they were protected

[young forum]

did DS also get nuked because killers are punished for tunneling? how about unbreakable?

[fluid fern]

then if you want to know exactly when the unhook happens, sacrifice a perk slot, or have good instincts and game sense to punish the unhook on your own game sense

[young forum]

or is it still just as strong

[jagged scaffold]

On the good side if kindred becomes meta, deerstalker will too >:3

[digital forge]

Making a perk obsolete feels like tanking it to me, idk man if nobody has a reason to use it anymore why is it a good pick?

[fluid fern]

no more autopiloting

[pearl pecan]

Its not, hes ragebaiting

[hidden solstice]

killers have too much hand holding, they need a health bar that lowers by 20% per flashlight blind and pallet stun

[ashen trail]

doesn't work

[fickle crane]

Never thought I’d see the day Deerstalker becomes a really good perk

[jagged scaffold]

what? :((( that's gotta be a bug then

[fluid fern]

the game has been designed to cater to tunnelers since conception, this is the first time in 10 years that its being changed

[young forum]

not really making a perk obsolete if it is still strong AND can stack with the buffs to become even stronger

[violet wasp]

Okay, hold on. Lemme get this straight, you know survivors can now who got unhooked get wall hacks on killer right? Isn't that a form of handholding too? 30 seconds of HAste and Endurance too? I dunno man.

[pearl pecan]

Tf? "Reads survivor aura when yours is read" except when its actually useful

[digital forge]

We've only got our last hope for Steagull's perks, SECOND WIND BABEYYY 😛💨

[sweet quartz]

So basically the survivor was abusing the massive buff they got like every other survivor I've seen (as in like, doing similar things)

[frigid sky]

Best PTB ever guys

[fluid fern]

it requires 0 thought or game sense to run back to an unhook notification

[young forum]

now it is changing to cater to survivors that struggle to last 15 seconds in chase against perkless trapper

[ashen trail]

requires 0 thought or game sense to heal under hook with we'll make it tbf

[fluid fern]

thats a perk

[native grove]

the dbd devs knew that tunnelling is a must do strategy in tournaments, so they made that you can disable it in custom game? So why would they still add it to normal game?

[fluid fern]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-let-me-catch-you-slippin-slippin-get-it-together-tough-love-keep-it-together-gif-7567402

[ashen trail]

thanks grok I'm aware

[digital forge]

Did they change the tune of bardic for everyone or do Aestri and Baermar still have the old one? I liked the original song better

[pearl pecan]

Because they are catering to shit survivors that buy the hot sable skins

[violet wasp]

Snail, your arguments make ZERO sense to me, and I honestly think you're just ragebaiting for the love of the game.

[merry ledge]

ptb goated

[ashen trail]

I know I am

[sweet quartz]

Ngl I might drop dbd for a while if the update goes through as is, I don't want to play the game knowing survivors are gonna abuse the new buff they got while killers being actively useless pretty much

[pearl pecan]

put some effort into the ragebait🙏🏻

[fluid fern]

they make sense, you are choosing ignorance

[violet wasp]

LMFAOO

Yeaaah, I am just gonna go on with my day. I am talking to a brick wall.

[fluid fern]

there are plenty of people who say they agree with me, and people who are reading this and not saying anything who agree with me

[digital forge]

It's a public test. Can you guys stop for a sec it's not that serious, nothing is confirmed yet nor is it permanent

[ashen trail]

brick wall left earlier, passed out from steroid overdose

[merry ledge]

playin rn

[fluid fern]

bye QT

[frozen widget]

Im here

[ashen trail]

silent majority fallacy

[sweet quartz]

Like, I wanna have fun as killer, not be forced to basically do nothing besides gen reg, but i cant even do that to the full extent in the ptb

[fluid fern]

the irony

https://tenor.com/view/bozo-the-clown-stupid-im-gif-27152749

[digital forge]

Qtip? Put that thang in my ear
😼👂

[ashen trail]

plenty of people calling you a rambling buffoon publicly in this chat tbf

[digital forge]

Wait why would I pick a cat emoji, it already has ears

[fluid fern]

just you

[misty eagle]

I probably just can't read but I can't find the answer- Is it normal for most of your cosmetics to be gone in the PTB?

[supple wadi]

you're a rambling buffoon

[fluid fern]

yep! we all get a defautl account now to use

[frozen widget]

He moved the goal post

[hoary bramble]

aight time to run the carry dracula build: Agi, Iron, Startruck, awakened

[misty eagle]

Okay thanks homie.

[ashen trail]

the irony

[digital forge]

Yeah they changed how PTB's work, you get to buy characters and cosmetics fresh specifically for the PTB so that people have more options

[fluid fern]

Youve yet to say something intelligent or backed by personal stats in this chat

[hoary bramble]

https://nightlight.gg/killers/viewer?shown=pick|kill|dist&sort=pick&start_days=28

again behold stats

[gray night]

oh I forgot they said this.

Will reply after this match

[fluid fern]

again behold my stats vs nightlight

https://tenor.com/view/what-is-the-difference-james-engvid-what-is-the-distinction-how-are-they-different-gif-9556854782536036217

[digital forge]

I don't really care about whatever you guys are fighting over but Garry's being SLIGHTLY more of a dick about it so

I said slightly give me some grace

[fluid fern]

because Im being insulted and confronted by 10x as many people

[ashen trail]

because your ass is WRONG

[fluid fern]

they are being challeneged by 1

[hoary bramble]

most ppl are cheeks vs a very very niche killer?

ask ppl what does twins do and they cant tell you

[fluid fern]

proof

send data mr. numbers

[digital forge]

The 0.58% pickrate probably

[ashen trail]

the only data I need is me dating your wife...

[fleet lagoon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJKVfIX8htA

so the first clip is already ghost note lightweight it's gonna get nuked to abysmal numbers

[fluid fern]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-you-have-lost-gif-21604330

[digital forge]

Mkayyy let's lighten the mood a little bit, the art direction for this chapter is so cool oh my god

[ashen trail]

no thank you I will continue ragebaiting

[hoary bramble]

also many factors too, you play a new killer your mmr drops.
PLus you seem rather good on DS so you have good fundamentals

[ashen trail]

but yeah I love vee actually

[hoary bramble]

combined both it explains your individual peformance vs group

[fickle crane]

Competitive DBD is basically a different game as it is already so it makes sense they’d have different standards for balancing

[digital forge]

I love the hair in every picture I see but in my game it's pretty dang see-through cause of my graphics settings 😿
VEE THE STRESS FROM WHATEVER YOU SAW ON THAT TAPE IS BALDING YOU

[fluid fern]

Holy pallets

I hope thats a bug, that looks like a 2v8 map LOL

Vee is going to be my first P100 survivor

I split my prestiges up before this, but I love her

[digital forge]

B-A-LDY cause the daylight is reflecting off of it

[native grove]

that’s the point you have to tunnel for a fair chance to win, and in public it’s no longer gonna be there

[abstract carbon]

That’s why they gave the option to disable a few of the changes introduced in this PTB inside of custom matches

[fickle crane]

In normal DBD matches you don’t need to tunnel a lot of your games the way you need to in competitive matches. That’s why there’s the option to disable it

[digital forge]

Yknow how you can play as any killer because of the PTB cells? Why can't that be in normal custom matches?? I wanna try before I buy girlypops

Didn't there used to be a scrapped offering that let you try out a new killer addonless for one trial or something?

[solar spear]

When is the ptb gonna end?

[lofty glen]

next tuesday

[fleet lagoon]

you spliting between survivors?...

[quiet reef]

Bet.

I hope they get rid of this bullshit.

[lofty glen]

im guessing just p3s

[lofty glen]

turns out it wasnt so bad at all
chapter was great as well

[fluid fern]

Yeah I wasn't "in love" with any of the existing survivors enough to P100

[desert arrow]

Any tips on how to hit intestinal whip more consistently?

[fluid fern]

practice with friends in a custom

[digital forge]

Not being able to flick with intestines is crazy to me ngl

[desert arrow]

Thats what gets me a lot

[desert arrow]

I don't often have the ability to

[fluid fern]

if she could hug tech like wesker we're cooked

[digital forge]

Myers gets a lunge that doesn't slow him down or change his R.O.T at all but poor Krasue can't twist her own internal organs 💔

[fleet lagoon]

I think she should get a forward tentacle slash that can infect survivors if not infected and damage survivors if infected!

[desert arrow]

Im a demo main so I'm not sure if my shred mindset helps or hinders me

[quiet reef]

But the whole gen thing is so fucking unfair.

[lofty glen]

it rarely happens is the thing
you dont even need to try spreading your hooks, it really only prevents hard tunneling and youll rarely feel it while just playing naturally

[digital forge]

I haven't actually read her lore yet, I know she made a deal for fame and that she killed someone for the lead role in an opera but I don't even know her name 😅

[young forum]

it prevents killers from playing efficiently tunneling or not

[digital forge]

So does nobody else know either

[young forum]

or punishes them for playing efficiently rather

[lofty glen]

hm how, did you read my message

[autumn mirage]

And gives survivors easily abusable systems that are a direct buff to their already toxic and hostage strategies like sabo

[lofty glen]

aight mate its not exactly a easy abusable strat if someone gets themselves killed into a 3v1

[young forum]

if a killer does not spread hooks enough, they can get a kill without tunneling and still be punished because they didn't play nice enough

[autumn mirage]

I wasnt even mentioning tunneling but anti slugging and also this one is also extremely abusable, any good SWF can keep with the killer even on 3v1

[lofty glen]

then again you dont even need to try spreading hooks, its really not that hard to get 5 hooks before a kill and you can tell from actually playing the game and trying these changes

[wheat niche]

Burong Sukapat

[autumn mirage]

This whole updates only insentivates to play S tier killers or tunnel someone with an endgame build using NOED, STBFL, Blood warden and no way out

[digital forge]

Thank you girlypops

[wheat niche]

Shes canonically lesbian btw

[young forum]

sure, I never said anything about it being difficult. it just forces killers to play by the survivor-approved rules or be punished

[wheat niche]

Or at least sapphic

[quiet reef]

I'm not playing until they get rid of the anti-tunneling build.

[lofty glen]

sure yea they should have the choice to tunnel i guess
one thing that could fix this is remove the penalty but increase incentive

[autumn mirage]

Oh yeah deffinitly not hard to find the 2 survivors who know they must avoid you and not constantly get blocked by the 2 survivors you cannot hook or slug

[true apex]

Which basically means that any variation in the match is punished

[digital forge]

CANONICALLY?? omg yes

[lofty glen]

most of the cases yes

[autumn mirage]

And also allows survivors to just bring perks to fully counter that since they dont need any of the added basekit perks or DS or off the record or Unbreakable

[young forum]

yeah basically

[autumn mirage]

What an straight up lie saying you never play against good survivors

[lofty glen]

survivors are and have been stronger than killer at their greatest potential but then again, kill rates average 60% cuz thats rarely the case and most ppl just soloq

[young forum]

realistically the 2 strongest survivor perks are now basekit. survivors shouldn't need perks at all if they are decent.

[lofty glen]

of course i have like once every 10 games?
and then i get a 2k oh no my day is ruined uninstalling

[autumn mirage]

Kill rates are always from the low MMR which is majority since killer is easier to start as and also people constantly doing DC or go next game

[autumn mirage]

Now they can use 4 healing perks, 4 repair perks, and just spam flashlight, sabo, gen rush and heal in your face in 8 seconds

[lofty glen]

honestly how often do you bring unbreakable and how often do you actually need it

[digital forge]

I was about to say "Wait why are all the lesbians murderers?" But then I remembered we have Yui (Even if it isn't canon, shut up. We all know it's true anyway)

[autumn mirage]

And then again you admit to playing on low MMR, talking of balance while playing with people who dont know how to play is hilarious

[young forum]

yeah but killer sided game still right

[autumn mirage]

Like you say check the % 😘 see the most pick perks in game

[lofty glen]

so how many swfs do you play against, 4 every 5? sure

[autumn mirage]

"omg the killer can kill me still, this is so killer sided!!!!"

Imagine if killers said "you cant do any gen until 3 minutes into the match!!!" Survivors would make fun of them but thats exactly what they tell killer not tunneling

[autumn mirage]

Easily 2/5 matches on PTB and in normal game 4/7 matches

[true apex]

It's incredible that there's always one person defending the changes while the rest of the chat tells them they're bad for the game with examples.

And the answer they give is "maybe y'all should play better"

It's a bit sad that the optic is "I have 800866 hours playing, I play meta perks and S-tiers and it does not affect me, so it should be ok"

[ashen trail]

me when I falsify statistics

[digital forge]

Geez did the entire server run out of chill pills? I'm literally about to drink Kerosene if it stays so tense in here

[autumn mirage]

Me when i pass my low MMR experience as if it was the high MMR experience:

[tawny sable]

Honestly if I didn't play casually I'd run unbreakable in every match, only reason I don't is because I soloq as support and tend to end up in low MMR

[fleet lagoon]

well the game is already easy enough that you can run unbreakable even if it hasn't been used

[tawny sable]

Can't remember the last game outside ptb that didn't make me think "Unbreakable would've let me escape here"

[severe aspen]

... I just realized they might have added the survivor and killer cosmetics this time to prevent accidental tunneling due to everyone wanting to play the new girl.

[digital forge]

Everyone wants to be Vee for real, she's such a cutie pie

[severe aspen]

Which, if so and wanting to test this system (as much as I don't like various parts of it), I can at least admit that was a smart touch.

[wide stag]

HOLY MOLY I JUST SAW YOUR VIDEO.

i tab over to see you, but i do agree. alot of people are saying "being a survivor down makes it so much easier for killer" as well but the problem with that is mostly to do with the benefits that the game gives survivors after the fact.

i would imagine most three or four mans sacrificing a member or atleast having a random kill themselves off of a newby killer and then just breezing through the game. a single kill for the killer, every game, with a loss as a new player isnt fun.

[digital forge]

And her little butterfly tattoo on her abdomen is cool

[tawny sable]

Also shouldn't we be more worried about low MMR players than high MMR players? Did yall forget how high MMR players are made?

[severe aspen]

I also do love that running Jagged Compass alone gives me the info I want despite the fog, which is 'hey, did they get that last person off hook? Baller, two people that aren't immediately on a generator'.

[obsidian dagger]

map offerings might be dead atleast in cust games every player used the same offering and we didnt get it

[true apex]

Somehow it escalated from "everyone has cool ideas and we agree this needs work" to incoherent dick measuring contests...

It is as if one side is aggressively trying to defend something that doesn't need to be defended

[tawny sable]

Map offerings dont stack

[obsidian dagger]

they dont? well either way, every single game ive been running the same offering and havent gotten it 💀

am i the most unlucky wretch to ever live?

[tawny sable]

Yeah it's only a 20% chance, if you run 4 diff map offerings they do stack though, meaning if the killer brings one too there'll be a rotation of 5 maps

[severe aspen]

Yeah, Map offerings haven't stacked since... I think Springtrap?

[obsidian dagger]

20...? bhvr WHY

[tawny sable]

Honestly just happy map offering isnt the default best choice anymore. Was so sick of garden of joy 😭

[tawny sable]

They haven't stacked since the change was made, springtrap update just let ppl know in the description

[true apex]

Basically the system will be abused by survivors, and will be a miserable experience for low/new killers.

High ranking killers will just S-rank endgame the fuck out of the game and won't bother interacting with the penalties

[digital forge]

Lowkey map offerings could work the opposite way and I think It'd be perfect. Like BHVR babes let the gals show you where they DON'T wanna go so you know what needs fine-tuning and also what people generally enjoy in map design

[severe aspen]

My biggest negative takeaway from this PTB is that Pig, Sadako and Twins are six feet under, anything less than B-Tier in the killer roster just feels sluggish to play, and Michael technically is better now, but I don't really like this direction with him.

[severe aspen]

Yeah, point being is that it isn't new all the same.

[true apex]

Imagine trying to play old Myers with these changes

[signal eagle]

Tbf swfs were stacking with maps and doing some rather absurd things, which the killer could only counter by reading minds and bringing a offering to prevent it in advance

[tawny sable]

Michael feels good but doesn't feel like Michael. Just feels like pre-nerf Chucky

[obsidian dagger]

Michaels dash is NOT a lunge i don't CARE what the description says

[severe aspen]

[tawny sable]

Honestly instadown killers weren't hit too hard by these changes compared to the rest of the roster

[cloud jolt]

15 days until SWFs make killer mains go extinct.

[severe aspen]

Not... Really? At least not to me. Played a lot of the Good Guy and the dash feels noticeably like a more sluggish Wesker. I may be getting into semantics, though.

[digital forge]

I don't know how to feel about Michael's changes, I'm all for big lunges but like just buff coup de grâce don't do this

[signal eagle]

Yeah, I don’t like it because they kinda gutted him. If making killers stronger means making everyone a dash killer, I’d rather have some weak killers

[tawny sable]

Keep in mind, 4 offerings disabled white ward. So the only way to counter it was to bring your own map offering

[obsidian dagger]

michael just feels like a shorter range pig if she was released in 2025

[tawny sable]

Im mostly saying it feels like chucky cuz of the turn limit being like, 170 degrees

[digital forge]

Wait there's a turn limit???

[severe aspen]

Ah, a bit. I only say Wesker due to how hug techs... KIND OF work with him?

[tawny sable]

Yeah not even a complete 180

I will say, statistically speaking Michael's lunge IS unique

[gray night]

its like pigs ambush

[tawny sable]

But not unique enough

[obsidian dagger]

saying a dash is unique in dbd is crazy work

[digital forge]

Who else didn't notice a turn limit because that sounds different to my experience

[signal eagle]

Also that. It was a terrible mechanic that forced killers to bring only one offering, or hope not to have a terrible next 15 minutes. It especially was a problem for killers that benefit from coin (which still isn’t a resolved issue, somehow), because they had to choose between going to terrible maps or having decent killer item spawns

[gray night]

thats not what hes saying

[tawny sable]

Difference is pig's ambush has no turn limit and doesn't break pallets or instadown

[digital forge]

HIS LUNGE BREAKS PALLETS??????

[gray night]

yea but mechanically they have a windup, holding you in place with a massive tell, and its ... kind of easily counterable

[tawny sable]

It's unique compared to the other dashes, but it's not unique as a killer ability. Because at the end of the day it's still a dash

[digital forge]

How did I not know any of this stuff Istg am I on a different PTB

[tawny sable]

?? did you even read his power description

[tawny sable]

Yeah, if I wanted a strong dash as michael I'd just bring Coup De Grace?? At least chasing outside of tier 3 doesn't feel useless anymore

[obsidian dagger]

got it got it, kinda feels like a short, slippery version of hillilly

[gray night]

before the patch yea

[digital forge]

.. Now on a scale of 1/10 how bad would your reaction be if I said no because I don't know what to say

[tawny sable]

Not that bad, just go read it and you'll get a better feel for his new kit

[obsidian dagger]

day 225 of pleading for BHVR to give krasue the plague treatment

[signal eagle]

I mean they can implement a dash in 20 different ways for every killer, but that doesn’t make it less a dash. I understand where you’re coming from, but I don’t think giving everyone movement is a good way to balance things

[digital forge]

Actually fuck that on a scale of -5 to +5 because even though it's numerically identical it telegraphs the positivity of the results better

[tawny sable]

Honestly I wish Krasue head form had a non-lunge basic attack that injured but didn't have any range or interaction with leeched. Anything to make the head feel like an actual threat in chase when the leeches die

[tawny sable]

We can absolutely agree on that

[digital forge]

Also the intestine whip filling up the infection bar gradually instead of just in one hit..? Babes is this a pick & mix?? Stop grabbing a little bit of everything and go for the big scoops

[obsidian dagger]

"Give her head form a basic attack and rework cleansing please and ty" has been blocked by the server, this feels like communist china

[obsidian dagger]

MAKE IT INSTA INFECT I BEGGGGG

[gray night]

...

[tawny sable]

Thing is, even if it did insta-infect it'd STILL be worse than just going back into body form and smacking them

[obsidian dagger]

errr, nay?

[tawny sable]

One takes two hits, one only takes one

[obsidian dagger]

swapping back to head form spawns a mushroom, which is HORRID for her game

[digital forge]

Slightly less worse though, progress is progress nonetheless I guess

[obsidian dagger]

its best at least as is to try and swap to head form as little as possible, or at least manipulate her body to spawn the shroom in the corner of the map

[tawny sable]

That's another thing, in order to capitalize on the infection you need to be in head form. Which means they can clear the leech?? Her powers contradict each other and makes her feel terrible to play

[obsidian dagger]

EXACTLYYY

[digital forge]

If I was still in my mycology phase I could've told you which type of mushroom/toadstool it is but idk, I know it is a real strain though since I read about it

[tawny sable]

Just make the mushrooms spawn based on a timer, then it'd feel like a race against the clock instead of a self-sabotaging mess

[severe aspen]

I have almost exclusively been using the Karsue's head as mobility.

Mostly because her attack still feels kind of awkward to me.

[merry ledge]

The new killer too strong

[gray night]

infect spit, headform down repeat

[obsidian dagger]

like either you spend 3 gens patrolling, infecting, making them burn through mushrooms then allow yourself the privilege of not being an m1 killer OR you play the game normally and get touched by the sheer amount of green on your screen

[digital forge]

Bubbsy boo who did you think was gonna fall for that

[obsidian dagger]

cant say peg in this day and age </3

[merry ledge]

???

[digital forge]

It's not fishing season I ain't taking any bait

[signal eagle]

lol

[merry ledge]

I'm being fr

[obsidian dagger]

ragebait used to be believable

[merry ledge]

Everyone always thinks I'm ragebaiting

[severe aspen]

The new killer is... Okay.

[digital forge]

Sitting out on the lake with a bucket hat and a rowboat

[gray night]

shes not too strong. Think shes fine where shes at.

Clean up her hitboxes

[severe aspen]

I don't think she's as strong as the last few releases. But then again it's hard to be stronger than Release Kaneki, so.

[severe aspen]

This, mostly.

[merry ledge]

I think how quickly she can go from headlong into a hit is too op

[digital forge]

Oh god I'm getting war flashbacks 🧍‍♀️

[fluid fern]

I think her kit and kitboxes are fine, there just needs to be way less starting fungus

[gray night]

nummies