Chaos Zero Nightmare

[lament isle]

Mindbreak...?

[fast lodge]

sadly nothing about the amount of resources each unit needs

[hazy nebula]

keep in mind thats only within the next 3 months

[lament isle]

wut da

Scammed

[hazy nebula]

so maybe future roadmaps will have sweep

[wooden eagle]

that'll bein the preview at the start of the week for the character

[lament isle]

Last few streams they showed mindbreak at the end

But they weren't dev streams so ig it's different

[wooden eagle]

yeah but theres a character showcase stream like they usually do soon

at least thats what I remember them saying at the start of the roadmap steram

[lament isle]

Oh ok yeah that makes sense

This is a diff stream than usual

[hazy nebula]

i wonder how they will handle the fear and hunger style gameplay

spam attacks into the bosses cock

[lament isle]

I'll still be playing for now but I'm on super maintenance mode until their new contents

[hazy nebula]

and arms

[lament isle]

Seriously though just give sweep and I'm willing to pay monthly for a long long time

[main falcon]

I guess sereniel preview is for another stream

So excited for chaos assault though

[lament isle]

Reddits gonna bitch about Jena and co again

Not their fault the company didn't give them anything

Alright I'm gonna watch the vod and rewatching chats reaction and boobas

[hazy nebula]

mei lin veronica and tressa cassius are both cheat code comps

its not even super strong comp

its literally a cheat comp

the only thing about tressa cassius is that its basically "f2p"

[lament isle]

They're the comps that make the epiphany problems even more obvious

Because they're the characters that want 1 specific epiphany or else

[main falcon]

I believe seasonal adjustments will nerf the likes of cassius and tressa

[hazy nebula]

as a tressa cassius abuser

i support them nerfing it

cause its actually a cheat comp

[lament isle]

ditto xely

[hazy nebula]

like you said, you were able to do diff 10 angel boy

same thing for me

i was stuck on difficulty 7

[lament isle]

i unironically think they contribute a lot to current burnout feels

[main falcon]

Cause removing used pile will actually make cassius tier -1

[hazy nebula]

and then cheat comp'd killed diff 10 with ease

[wooden eagle]

gacha players have to accept that nerfs should happen

and yeah it might suck that you farmed for a week to level up a nerfed character

[lament isle]

cos the optimal comp is just too obvious and everything "fun" that you can do just seem useless

[wooden eagle]

but its really not worth restricting a developer to only buff and not nerf

[lament isle]

especially because this is a gacha

[wooden eagle]

they did that shit in limbus and its a worse game because of it

[lament isle]

yeah just like ebig seven

[main falcon]

Ebig seben with the once in a blue moon nerfs

[hazy nebula]

they are nerfing in ebicseben now

which is good

[lament isle]

bit late innit

[hazy nebula]

the community has been asking for nerfs for years

[lament isle]

although i was glad they didnt nerf hwayoung when i still played

[hazy nebula]

but they were too scared to nerf cause people pay for broken heroes

[lament isle]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-gif-8568862

[lament isle]

this is why i think the koreans doom themselves lol

like they make the company so afraid they cant make decisions for the health of the game

[hazy nebula]

i trust that they wont abuse nerfs

[main falcon]

Gotta see it to believe it. Coz a lot of ppl seem to forget is nerfing heroes will also make them take a hit in pve coz a lot of auto teams might not work anymore

[hazy nebula]

cause ideally you want to make strong units

[lament isle]

while they just indirectly nerf by another way (powercreep)

[hazy nebula]

but you definitely DONT want cheat units

im not saying to completely kill the unit like hwayoung

[lament isle]

[–]Secret_Choice_5996 1 point 8 minutes ago

"Accessible 4* strategy removed, pull for our shiny new 5* every patch, paypig!" Sure, absolute W. For the dev's wallets that is.

retards have begun

[naive pulsar]

Divine Grace - Northwemko

LIGHT • Level: 7
[ Spellcaster / Ritual / Effect ]

ATK 2700 / DEF 1200

Effect

This card can only be Ritual Summoned with the Ritual Spell Card, "Ritual of Grace". When this card is Ritual Summoned, select a number of face-up cards on the field (except this card), up to the number of monsters you used for the Ritual Summon. While any of the selected cards are face-up on the field, this card cannot be destroyed by card effects.

F/L Status: Unreleased (TCG/OCG), Unlimited (MD)

[hazy nebula]

of course

people dont like it when things get taken away from them

thats a normal human reaction

but they need to see a little further ahead

and understand that certain comps are actually cheat comps

not even super strong comp

an actual cheat comp

[lament isle]

if they had the foresight to unique cassius/tressa upgrade all these might not have happened

well c'est la vie

[hazy nebula]

Game doesnt give enough pulls

delusional players

[fast lodge]

it took me forever to get the 300 selector in zzz/hsr

barely a month in czn without crystals

[hazy nebula]

oh yeah sereniel is season limited

as in, she wont be added into the standard pool until after the season ends?

[wooden eagle]

limited bullshit

[hazy nebula]

its not true limited

its only limited until the season ends

why they decided that, idk

[wooden eagle]

but shes the last banner in the season

[main falcon]

So is it safe to assume that every season we will get at least one limited?

[hazy nebula]

i think thats the idea

[main falcon]

Kinda a bad idea imo

[hazy nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/druski-gif-18348698948575815487

[south marsh]

The stove client auto open the stream free viewers

[main falcon]

That makes sense actually

You might be right

[south marsh]

This comp is the holy Trinity of e7 thats was all 3* that got nerfed its a el classico as this point

[fast lodge]

ok yeah they are out right stating tressa cass nerfs in the notes

[hazy nebula]

Even after these changes, Tressa will continue to shine as one of the game’s strongest damage dealers. Cassius will also receive additional buffs alongside the adjustments, ensuring he remains an appealing and competitive option moving forward.

they arent cutting off all her limbs

[south marsh]

They already mentioned it ,each season will have one season limited unit

[fast lodge]

anyone that complains about this does not ever deserve a good game

[wooden eagle]

they just have no insight characters

[south marsh]

Imo this game balancing is really ass and they simply need to standardize stuff with few exceptions

Like simply make all infinite scaling upgrades 2 cost

And all conditional buffs like rei kit to be a 1 cost unique upgrade

There are so many upgrades that reset the condition counter and doesn't give 2x results

They need to add the unique to many of these upgrades

Cass is another unit thats imo b tier, cass isnt op he is simply to expensive and you need perfect epiphanies for him

His 0 cost card scaling exclusively works with tressa

Or luke

Else only the 2 morale fort buff and draw 1 card is the only good quest rewards

[lament isle]

Yeah, just make all upgrades unique with a few exception i feel like

[hazy nebula]

my cassius is dps cassius

its funny when his 0 cost attacks slam the enemy for 1.5k each

on top of whatever tressa is throwing out

but cassius needs to ramp up

but it doesnt take that much to ramp up

[lament isle]

https://old.reddit.com/r/ChaosZeroNightmare/comments/1prc20r/its_gooner_time/ lo and behold it's christmas

[hazy nebula]

im curious to see her COME release

[lament isle]

https://old.reddit.com/r/ChaosZeroNightmare/comments/1prcc3d/dont_nerf_my_fucking_characters/ ha empezado...

[hazy nebula]

shame noob

i seriously cant comprehend how people think that infinite damage cheat comps are fine

if they dont want nerfs then they have to make literally EVERY future content

basically the punching bag boss

[lament isle]

the commenters are actually quite reasonable

[hazy nebula]

worth of hp

so you have to play tressa cassius dagger throwing for 15 minutes

to kill the boss

and then the next boss

can be the same thing

but 5x more hp

the fact that a lot of people are "quitting" because they cant farm tressa save data + chains armor

is saying a lot

cause they are burning out

[lament isle]

basically yeah the trajectory was quite clear

after scoring method and the fact that people are "forced" to farm tressa save data people are getting burnt out

yeah it's not necessary to grind those but gamers can't help themselves

so to save us from ourselves they need to nerf tressa/cass

[hazy nebula]

yeah

like ive said many times

i abuse tressa cassius

but i still want them to nerf them

cause thats the ONLY comp i play for pve

im not even kidding

i guess basin its not true

cause i need 2 comps

but one of the comp is that

[lament isle]

well yeh and it's not just to "save ourselves" objectively you can beat anything in the game with it

so game becomes boring as hell

so yeah basically we align

people who dont want nerfs MUST be ignored

[hazy nebula]

nerfs are good if it doesnt KILL the character

but stopping that broken ass cheat comp

isnt going to kill the character

clearly it was an oversight of balancing

[lament isle]

tressa causes this

chizuru aint even that shit

[wooden eagle]

i was reading jena's chat for a bit during the roadmap

that guy is a dumbass

[lament isle]

jena? or this chatter

[wooden eagle]

the chatter

vilem

[hazy nebula]

thats fine

[wooden eagle]

dude has no perspective

[hazy nebula]

I still have 280 pulls

[lament isle]

edgy gacha player ahh comments

par for jena's chat tbh

[wooden eagle]

its true though

if he had his way games would be worse off

[hazy nebula]

chizuru is the best character to be released

out of all the new ones

chizuru is fun and does a lot of damage if you get the right epiphanies

[wooden eagle]

xilem's arguments were you shouldnt nerf because devs should just be perfect and have perfect balance before release

[lament isle]

i love chizuru and her effects are so good

[wooden eagle]

which is just impossible

or that its a pve game and so you shouldn't nerf in pve games

[lament isle]

i hope to god he's young

[hazy nebula]

Yeah

Elden ring shouldnt have nerfed any bosses

they shouldn't have nerfed the bleed katanas smh

they should have gotten it right from the start

the only difference is that this is gacha and real money is being exchanged

[wooden eagle]

the best part was he was ranting about how slay the spire was so great because you could be so OP

[hazy nebula]

i guess you have to buy elden ring so idk

[wooden eagle]

not realizing you could just google slay the spire nerfs

and you'd find stuff

[hazy nebula]

if he wants broken combos

good thing CZN is adding that harder mode

[lament isle]

@charred vortex yo peep NL's chat and let us know what he thinks about the new girls

[hazy nebula]

where you can basically go infinite

[lament isle]

STS also not a live service which is another topic but yeah even then there are nerfs

[south marsh]

They gonna change tressa passive to on recover instead of on heal

And she dead

[hazy nebula]

nah

[south marsh]

Imo their should be no on heal only on recover

[fast lodge]

acting like they figured it out on their own and not just copied a cheatcode online using literal free characters

[hazy nebula]

they said they are planning on still having her be one of the strongest units at the moment

[lament isle]

yeah I remembered I was asking why was her passive the only one that works if she recovers HP

[hazy nebula]

i think they will just change the way it interacts with tressa cassius

[lament isle]

but I think just make all upgrades unique, I agree with your standardization push

[hazy nebula]

the easiest way is to limit the quest per turn

i think 10 is good amount

its not so little that its not impactful

but also you can't go infinite

for tressa, idk what it would be

cassius shouldnt be a sub-dps that is on par with another main-dps in another run

[south marsh]

Yeah if its lets say you have 4 copies and all 4 copies cost 2 with initiation it will be simply be not possible to have all passives activated in the first shuffle

[hazy nebula]

while providing infinite value

[south marsh]

It will slow down the start massively

But will have the same peak performance

Cass just needs a dmg limit cuz he is ass

[hazy nebula]

i mean it will be spread out through multiple turns instead of all in 1 turn

its very hard to achieve 10 quests outside of tressa

unless you have like 4-5 quest upgrades

[lament isle]

just rewatched jena he's so happy when he realized nerfs are possible

[hazy nebula]

pve = never nerf

does this guy not play the comp?

its clearly a huge problem

[lament isle]

🤓

oh vilem is also still at it

but im heartened that they seem to be highly outnumbered by people who want nerfs

I guess because tressa/cass are 4 stars it's easier to nerf them

[south marsh]

I kinda hope devs realize their is so need to nerf tressa and cass just rework the upgrade system its bad atm

[lament isle]

i think consistency is needed

like some upgrades just apply once

but how come these apply forever

within a turn, i mean

[south marsh]

The fact that multiple quest card doesnt work but you can still dupe it is retarded

Just add unique tag to the quest upgrade

[hazy nebula]

yeah that quest upgrade is stupid

hugo bricking upgrade

[south marsh]

The draw 4 cards to draw another 1 also doesnt work, but you can get that as dupe option

[hazy nebula]

lets just remove initiation on my upgrade cause why not

[south marsh]

Shit like this pisses me off more

[south marsh]

You can have exceptions for characters that are not shining

Hugo by all means is not broken just great to have

[lament isle]

also if I understand it correctly you will only need 1 wave to get rewards for 3 waves (60 stam), OK it's not sweep but this helps

[south marsh]

Imo initiation on upgrade is fine and if shadow heals costs 2 the initiation acts as a nerf requiring you to spend 8 ap in first turn or wait 1 shuffle

[hazy nebula]

2 cost will be really bad for her

[south marsh]

Imo 2 cost is fine for any infinite scaling upgrade

[hazy nebula]

i dont think tressa being able to stack 3-4 upgrades on turn 1 isnt the biggest problem

its just the interaction between tressa and cassius easily going infinite

like lets assume cassius doesnt exist

[south marsh]

Its fine to not nerf the potential just make the start annoying

[hazy nebula]

who would you team tressa up with

[south marsh]

Hugo

[hazy nebula]

and go from there

[south marsh]

[hazy nebula]

ok hugo

tressa hugo

mika?

[main falcon]

Owen

[south marsh]

Yeah mika is must is for heal

[hazy nebula]

alright so we have tressa hugo mika

lets see what the first turn would be

3 tressa dagger upgrade

and 2 hugo upgrade

[main falcon]

Owen

[hazy nebula]

then turn 2

lets assume you have 3 heals

or even 5 if you go 0 cost heal

[south marsh]

The 1ap but hp cost upgrade

[hazy nebula]

5 will be 15 daggers

and 15 hugo dogs

[south marsh]

Thats what my suggestion aim to do if dagger heal upgrade is 2 cost at best you'll get 2 on turn 1 and need to wait for turn 3+ to get the other 2

[hazy nebula]

is that a lot more damage than like 10 morale buffs and 20 attack cubes from cassius

and lots of card draw

hugo doesnt really provide anything outside of his dogs

which is damage

cassius provides just as much damage if not more but also provides morale and tank buffs and card draws

i think making it 2 cost will nerf tressa too hard outside of cassius

i think tressa + hugo is actually pretty balanced

with the current tressa

its a strong comp for sure but not broken

[lament isle]

this guy is a gacha tourist but hes been loyal for 2 months SG finally get their JP market

[hazy nebula]

who is that

[lament isle]

JP gacha streamer whos jumping between new releases

[hazy nebula]

I just tested Cassius with a limit of 10 quests

And he still feels very strong

My hand filled up too hard that I was forced to use his quests or I don't get anymore daggers

His cubes were hitting for 2k on the 11th+ quest

[lament isle]

[–]Kaelran 12 points 56 minutes ago

No, because the nerfs aren't for balance reasons. It's because of the gameplay where you play 80 cards in a turn and then the game lags out for 3 minutes processing agony and the fight takes an hour. Mei Lin does not have this issue.

[naive pulsar]

Divine Grace - Northwemko

LIGHT • Level: 7
[ Spellcaster / Ritual / Effect ]

ATK 2700 / DEF 1200

Effect

This card can only be Ritual Summoned with the Ritual Spell Card, "Ritual of Grace". When this card is Ritual Summoned, select a number of face-up cards on the field (except this card), up to the number of monsters you used for the Ritual Summon. While any of the selected cards are face-up on the field, this card cannot be destroyed by card effects.

F/L Status: Unreleased (TCG/OCG), Unlimited (MD)

[hazy nebula]

They should also nerf mei lin

Why does mei lin get an infinity scaling kick when ANY passion card is used

Meanwhile Kayron has a hard limit of 3 hits AFTER ramping for 5 turns

[wooden eagle]

she trained REALLY hard to get where she is now

you wanting her nerfed shits on her effort

misogynist

[hazy nebula]

You right

HesRight

[lament isle]

anyways I am autoing instinct potentials

https://tenor.com/view/chaos-zero-nightmare-mei-lin-gif-13226840725047524523

[wooden eagle]

if the mindbreak is not good

i will not pull

impress me, czn devs

[lament isle]

got to admit i got convinced by that christmas present lobby

that was insane

[hazy nebula]

What about that underboob in gym attire

Sweaty underboob

[lament isle]

we'll cross that bridge when we get to it

who knows i might've been tired of roguelikes by that time, i'm playing a lot of roguelikes nowadays

[craggy steeple]

dont think i'm gonna manage to do this week's weeklies

at least the battlepass

[lament isle]

Just gonna do it on a gym bike tomorrow

[wooden eagle]

dont worry about it its all meaningless in the end

dont be manipulated I believe in you

[charred vortex]

lacari favorite

imagine they adding gwen

[peak torrent]

People are complaining about chizuru?

She’s actually a good balanced unit

[charred vortex]

they're retard

[craggy steeple]

is it even possible to get past 300k without using cassius, mika and tressa

[south marsh]

I feel like her inhibitor upgrade thing is unnecessary the rest of her kit is good

The fact her bis slot partner ego skill ap is wasted is also a big source of nuisance

[south marsh]

after like 20 runs i finally got this mofo event

[south marsh]

how do you even get this

im left with no non rare events

it cant be this rare

[hazy nebula]

JAJANG

[hazy nebula]

FIX THE BALLSACK ROOM

https://tenor.com/view/dr-disrespect-angry-slam-mad-pissed-gif-11351877

[hazy nebula]

name a more useless purchase

[lament isle]

In b4 we can convert these in season 2

[lament isle]

Also Chrono ark dlc bosses fucked me

[hazy nebula]

when are you going to be the top

[lament isle]

Soon, they are just lacGimmick

I'm so fucking addicted though, need to thank CZN

I also thought the raid reset was last reset so I wasted my sleep time on getting 500k

[hazy nebula]

i am the new ceo of CZN

no need to thank me

its 500k in total

so its just like 2 runs

[lament isle]

Yeh but 1 run is like 20 mins because of the meta comp thank God for upcoming nerf

And I could've just done it on my commute instead

[hazy nebula]

e7 train commuter

[lament isle]

I was

Train and bathroom break e7ner

(mostly rta)

[hazy nebula]

wtf

so IT WAS YOU

the guy lacari lost to

[lament isle]

Never met him unfortunately but I always beat deity pretty sure

[craggy steeple]

i'm gonna get this if i got extra before getting char/arti xp

surely it'll be convertible

[hazy nebula]

why did they make tiered leveling mats

i mean tiered leveling mats for different exp, sure

but forced to have certain mats to enhance

i have lots of shit at +3 cause i cant even check for +4 or +5

[lament isle]

Copying everything from hyv but making them slightly worse

[hazy nebula]

hoyo shill ceo

[charred vortex]

not ceo

the director

fuck that director

I would vote him get fired

I going to pray for the ceo get removed

[main falcon]

Guess i dont need to build cassius

And my orlea and mika arent even optimized

[lament isle]

Damn ledditors still posting asking for more dudes

Can these hoyomale terrorists gtfo already

Both for their sake and mine expecting dude when 3/3 releases are breasting boobily

[hazy nebula]

but owen doesnt like dudes

[craggy steeple]

femboys are safe from owen?

[lament isle]

She really doesn't want me to sleep

[hazy nebula]

good thing she brought the pillows

brb my wife is calling

[lament isle]

OUR wife

[hazy nebula]

it depends if you a threat to terrascion

[lament isle]

Maybe it's worth it so she pays attention to me

[mild sky]

imo avoid them until u finish the game

[lament isle]

I picked Johan already though woops

[lament isle]

Bruh I mistargeted and died

Didn't know the beach bitch totem can't be targeted

I got that bitch next time though

Anyway sereniel stream tomolo right?

I'm still saving my free dupe

[wooden eagle]

same

i did some basin

it was boring

thought about doing a chaos run

and felt too lazy

I think i'll pull see what I get and then uninstall

[lament isle]

I did basin until 6 along these past 2 weeks when I was in the toilet

Well I'll see what content they're cooking, at least I'm logging in until next season

Then if chaos isn't that important compared to hoyo endgames I think that's it

[wooden eagle]

i see too many comments from people wishing they could reroll more in a run

they just dont get it

or at least their priorities are different

[lament isle]

I think it's the deckbuilding vs roguelike continuum

Like which aspect you prefer more

My friend is a super perfectionist he can't stand playing Chrono ark cos he can't be guaranteed to get his preferred build, for example

[wooden eagle]

i'm still annoyed that i fell for the kitasan black scam

[lament isle]

Obviously deckbuilding here is copying some nerds so idk how fun these people have too

[wooden eagle]

umamusume was genuinely the right game for me

and then I started falling for dumbass minmaxing shit

and it ruined career mode

since then every roguelike mode has just been a speedrun excuse to get a build to clear content

[lament isle]

To me minmaxing shit is fun for a few CMs but I've always been a pvp gacher guy anyways. But understandable it's like you sacrificed daily content for content every 2 months or so

[wooden eagle]

the problem is I cant rollback

because I pulled so much other stuff thats been LBd

so if I want to play a career mode on a horse and see the story and try to struggle through it I have to use the 1* support cards or something

which is the opposite end of the problem

[lament isle]

Yeah and new account is expensive as hell to pull

Only choice is buying an account of your fav horse everytime

Waste of time

[lament isle]

ok got that bitch

[lament isle]

https://old.reddit.com/r/ChaosZeroNightmare/comments/1psy4po/how_the_game_marketed_its_character_now/nvd4klo/?context=3 TRUEING

[fast lodge]

fkin

old reddit links

flashbanging me

[main falcon]

guess he's a day one reddit user

[hazy nebula]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zspuXJjbs-w

i wonder what this ribbon is for

[lament isle]

Tomorrow waiting room

[lament isle]

New redditors

[granite horizon]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/ChaosZeroNightmare/s/L6qdJO7yiG

John Nightmare

[lament isle]

Train conductor looking ahh

I am him

Good film btw crazy cried to this on an aeroplane

[split cipher]

looks like kdrama

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/618631095797153822/833033228285378590/peepoleave.gif

[lament isle]

It's an old ass jdrama

There should be a stream right?

[split cipher]

no idea

i can handle japan bakayaro konoyaro

[lament isle]

Oh sorry 2 separate topics I meant there should be a sereniel kit stream today right?

[split cipher]

no idea was respond to that question

id say no since they alrdy showed everything

[wooden eagle]

did they show everything?

what about her moveset and all that

and the mindbreak

[lament isle]

I dont recall, that's why I thought there'd be another stream

[south marsh]

Wasnt chizuru kit the whole previous stream

I have few pulls so i might fail to get her but i dont really need her , ill have to win 50\50 which i did lost all previously which im glad because i wanted standard units

Rei dupe 6 made me pull way too much

[lament isle]

Yeah there's a kit introduction stream for Chizuru. I vaguely recall they said 23/12 is sereniel 's kit introduction but I'm not sure if it will be a stream or a post

[south marsh]

https://www.reddit.com/u/Commercial_Cost9386/s/oASA9DQVFn

Looks like someone decoded her kit

[hazy nebula]

itd be funny if they randomize the letters

[south marsh]

The symbols are repeated like the dmg ones

[hazy nebula]

https://x.com/CZN_Official_EN/status/2003390119697424441

Chaos Zero Nightmare (@CZN_Official_EN)

◤Cobalt Wing, on standby.◢

#CHAOSZERONIGHTMARE #CZN #ChaosZeroNightmare

X · Dec 23, 2025, 9:00 AM

[lament isle]

I'm alright with all these sereniel content but why do they choose her for these

Maribell cursed for being a 4*

[hazy nebula]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KG3iy0-UQDE

[lament isle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-boner-dick-pp-hard-boner-cat-horny-gif-22689656

[hazy nebula]

where de_kit

[south marsh]

No kit

[lament isle]

Why are they always so coy with kits

Like leaving it last minute

[hazy nebula]

maybe in 1 hour

who knows

what if...

what if........

owen is rate up with sereniel

https://tenor.com/view/clueless-aware-twitch-forsen-emote-gif-25354609

[lament isle]

I actually don't mind cos I want to build him for memes

But the Koreans would flip

That ASMR is not for >you

[hazy nebula]

OWEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CURSE YOU !!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz4n0HBXM0E

what in the

what the hell man

[lament isle]

Jena said he doesn't like leotards I always knew he's a pleb

[hazy nebula]

sereniel is a way better kayron

kayron has a similar scaling mechanic

shes about to 1 turn this boss

she looks very cool

and also very

fun

😉

[lament isle]

Tbf I would've pulled even if she's weak but I'm glad

[hazy nebula]

https://x.com/CZN_Official_EN/status/2003420318174425528

Chaos Zero Nightmare (@CZN_Official_EN)

◤Introducing Sereniel's Mechanics ◢

Sereniel is coming to Chaos Zero Nightmare!

Check out Sereniel's unique mechanics
and prepare for Chaos infiltration!

#CHAOSZERONIGHTMARE #CZN #ChaosZeroNightmare

X · Dec 23, 2025, 11:00 AM

[lament isle]

I just need 1 more nia

[craggy steeple]

when'll there gonna be another ap regen char other than mika

[wooden eagle]

hmph I'll pair her with amir

if I get her

[lament isle]

shadowverse frieren collab, czn where?

[lament isle]

who should i pick for 2nd BP partner

just 2nd nyx?

[south marsh]

As a f2p i do not know

Also isnt amphorus just broken wtf

Wtf do devs mean flat +25% dmg thats so much better then most items

On ring slot

Pretty good patch honestly really nice qol

[main falcon]

Yeah it's always been good

[hazy nebula]

https://page.onstove.com/chaoszeronightmare/en/view/11585211

[ionic stream]

? baffling take

prolly ragebaiting

[main falcon]

Nah that take was super valid

[hazy nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-disrespect-angry-slam-mad-pissed-gif-11351877

[craggy steeple]

wajaja

[lament isle]

Oh I forgot basin

[wooden eagle]

rightfully so

[lament isle]

-400 gems, just get lucky

[lament isle]

you know I've been reading fob chat bitching about how easy it is to brick in czn, @wooden eagle I think your roguelike philosophy really won't fit with most gacha players on roguelike gachas but you already know that

[wooden eagle]

i knew that when I saw that they kept on adding content dependant on saved data

and not content dependant on running chaos again in interesting ways

that chaos dungeon content they're going to add in season 3 doesnt sound like anything good either

everyone sounds hyped about it

but it just sounds like a hoyo roguelike mode where you get crazy strong

which is not the point

but we'll see

i'm gonna log in, get enough to get the manifest ego item and whatever pulls I can get, try to pull her and then be done with it

this is probably the last few weeks I subscribe to most of the gachas I play theres just too many good normal games out there to care about this because the dream gacha game for me isnt out there

[lament isle]

[wooden eagle]

i was doing pretty well before this week

its just one of those big content release periods because itis christmas

[lament isle]

for me I'll still check CZN until next season and see how the new content transpires, I owe mama sereniel that much

but I'm just thinking I'm not against the "content dependent on saved data" endgame that much but I'm playing a game for that stella sora might be better with how painless it is to grind

so I hope CZN can put more emphasis on the chaos part

[wooden eagle]

i just realized how boring the game was when I finally unlocked shop rerolls

and now people want epi rerolls? just a joke

and you can dump all your dice rerolls on a good event for the equipment

just dont play the game

and they just tell you where the dimension rift is

i also dont think stella sora's roguelike system is good either

its actually trash

but at least it knows its a side game

[lament isle]

yeah basically the "roguelike" it's just gambling for build

I'm fine with that but I hope CZN roguelike can be more than that

else StS 2 soon... but it's too normie though. maybe the toehoe roguelike game

or the new game from chrono ark devs i've been super addicted to chrono ark

[wooden eagle]

you'll be waiting a while

[lament isle]

well das fine in a few months i might be bored of roguelikes already

and that villainess game is waiting too

maint extended by 2 hours

el clasico

[wooden eagle]

i can wait

https://page.onstove.com/chaoszeronightmare/en/view/11593297?boardKey=139238&combined=false

10 pull because theres limited banners now

[lament isle]

thanks koreans

i know they dont act in good faith but we just get the freebies

they do all the hard work and get all the health issues from being perpetually angry and we just get the pulls

[hazy nebula]

who cares about seasonal limit

the real problem is the 50/50

[lament isle]

https://old.reddit.com/r/ChaosZeroNightmare/comments/1puf858/notice_notice_and_apology_regarding_the_release/nvo9ar4/ oh yeah it's actually about korean schizoid shit again

but i dont care, thank you my schizo friends

[south marsh]

Server is up

[craggy steeple]

yooo

new policy point

[lament isle]

got her C1 C2 with free dupe

pretty good

the daily memoir's bugged I can't go back have to relog

[wooden eagle]

got her

will pull for partner at some point

time to farm exp mats

[craggy steeple]

omgbruh can these devs stop making these bugged red markers

[hazy nebula]

LOG IN LOG IN LOG IN

[fast lodge]

got her in 30

[charred vortex]

I got her 30

[wooden eagle]

got her 30

[lament isle]

ah shit lost my 3rd 50-50

I guess I had to use my free dupe

do we know who's the next banner

also my orlea is c3

time to build her?

[wooden eagle]

one 10 pull

[lament isle]

zamn you lucker dog

[wooden eagle]

uninstalling

got a dupe of her in 20 pulls

[lament isle]

is she even that good

[charred vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/northern-lion-northernlion-ryan-letourneau-library-of-letourneau-nl-gif-7773316975240489116

[lament isle]

the partner I mean

[wooden eagle]

i didnt read it

i just pulled just because shes limited

and now i decide if I buy a shop dupe

for sereniel i mean

not the partner

standard pull pity

[hazy nebula]

PEKOra

https://tenor.com/view/oooo-ahoklollmao-gif-8289321355786879775

[lament isle]

hmm yeah her being limited does make her more interesting

[charred vortex]

so do they go to standard banner

[fast lodge]

nope

[charred vortex]

can't wait for people get mad

but this is the same for epic 7

[lament isle]

koreans already did

that's why we got extra 10 pull

[craggy steeple]

i got like 400-~500 pulls rn

saving for czn 2

sereniel seems kinda mid from the trailer

[wooden eagle]

🤔

[hazy nebula]

but..

what is it...

mousepad

https://tenor.com/view/oooo-ahoklollmao-gif-8289321355786879775

[lament isle]

zamn

might be the only time im considering a twitter account

well other than that one time when i was playing gbf

[wooden eagle]

serenniel has some weird combos

like the one that activates Homing Laser

but it doesnt affect Homing Laser L

[lament isle]

oh yeah i was confused too during tutorial

[hazy nebula]

????????

[lament isle]

yeah that was retarded

[hazy nebula]

oh

i was in a battle

cause of maintenance

[lament isle]

pretty sure i wasnt and i still got the screen om

but i just closed and its fine

[wooden eagle]

okay well thats one run done

shes interesting

i just need to gear her

[lament isle]

https://old.reddit.com/r/ChaosZeroNightmare/comments/1pujaas/tressass_found_dead_in_the_bronx_great_rift_2nd/

I think the upgrade card one might be permanent soon. I just have the feeling..

[lament isle]

Feels good to play?

[wooden eagle]

i think if I have her geared she's fun

but I wouldn't say overpowered

there were a few epis I missed on her

that I think would lead to good combos

like if you do her ult and have an EPI homing laser

and copied

you could do some cool shit

but if you dont copy homing laser

or you dont have epi's on it

I mean its still fun theres otehr things you can do

but your ult feels more ass

[hazy nebula]

20 crumbs

[wooden eagle]

like doing a homing laser L build and just spam small hits

is also good

[hazy nebula]

no 20 crumbs

https://tenor.com/view/docleave-dcleave-drdisrespect-alanzq-alan-gif-21502102

[wooden eagle]

peko partner ego skill is perma for the fight

so as long as you ravage you get a flat 25% crit chance

for the turn

and she works well with chizuru

so you could just make her a multi hit spammer

and then set up a chizuru ult

[south marsh]

If their gonna ro this might as well add fking unique to it so it doesn't arrive as dupe option

[hazy nebula]

abusing tressa cassius before they get patched out

[wooden eagle]

then people would be mad that they nerfed it outside of great rift or whatever

[south marsh]

Hmm i guess it is a safe nerf

My pulls went fine but why the fk is nia rate up

This was her 2nd rate up

I got serenial but not sure if i wanna spam pulls or save for owen, cassius and marible rate up

[hazy nebula]

never waste your pulls

you have to remember that this game has mihoyo rates

and mihoyo amounts of currency

you might feel rich right now but once you go on a bad streak then you're done

[south marsh]

Well the thing is I'll rather max dupe 4* over getting new units

Or dupe the 5* standard units, i really dont care about limited units

[hazy nebula]

then pull

[south marsh]

I wanted to loose the 50\50 but i won

[south marsh]

Nah I'll stop pulling my selena and nia are max duped not in mood for another serenial

I'll save for the remaining 4* rate up

Also playing with veronia is so much better , she is the ideal sub dps support

[main falcon]

Neat

Tbf i was on soft pity

[hazy nebula]

lacari 10 pull sereniel

https://tenor.com/view/dr-disrespect-angry-slam-mad-pissed-gif-11351877

[wooden eagle]

okay maybe i misunderstand the ult

because that time it used homing laser L

[hazy nebula]

did you have enough non-Ls?

maybe it prioritizes non-Ls but still grabs them if theres none left

alright

someone do the maths for the ravage set vs 222

[wooden eagle]

my math is I trust the devs

[hazy nebula]

how come i cant just click that peko card in the middle to show the card

but i can click the 4* on the left to open up the stats

gotta click this agent info button outside of the box

i might pull peko cause its seasonal limited

but that will be pretty expensive on the anchors

i guess ill toss a few pulls at it

damn took 50 pulls

probably not going to do that again

cant use serenriel

might need to farm the 4 piece ravage set

oh yeah

theres double farm

event

wait

no

when is it

https://page.onstove.com/chaoszeronightmare/en/view/11584731

https://page.onstove.com/chaoszeronightmare/en/view/11584712

2 quiz

some random shit

[fast lodge]

I think like start of jan

[craggy steeple]

Did they ever mention they gon do something about most of the 4sets bein useless

Is ts actually a design choice

[hazy nebula]

is it 3?

the short had im useless

and she was moaning

so i assume its ahh

oh yeah they buffed tenacity damage didnt they?

i assume its cause of sereniel

it uses the original AP tenacity damage right?

so if it was originally 2 AP, and it becomes 0 AP, it still does 2 AP tenacity

If that's the case then wouldn't that forbidden card be insane at ravaging

The one that costs like 6 or something

[wooden eagle]

i guess this is going to be a potential grind until the farm event

[lament isle]

probably 3 its more of a khalipe thing

[wooden eagle]

where was that chart

with all the recommended teamups for serenniel

[hazy nebula]

it was on their twitter

[wooden eagle]

https://x.com/CZN_Official_EN/status/2003420318174425528/photo/3 ah here it is

Chaos Zero Nightmare (@CZN_Official_EN)

◤Introducing Sereniel's Mechanics ◢

Sereniel is coming to Chaos Zero Nightmare!

Check out Sereniel's unique mechanics
and prepare for Chaos infiltration!

#CHAOSZERONIGHTMARE #CZN #ChaosZeroNightmare

X · Dec 23, 2025, 11:00 AM

[hazy nebula]

yuki character growth

they are balancing tressa cassius

but released a tressa cassius in 1 unit

[wooden eagle]

the fuck does this mean

did they just miss the %

[hazy nebula]

yeah they forgot the %

[wooden eagle]

omgBruh the fucking wolves man

alright whatever, maintenance mode now

oh I gotta do this story

[lament isle]

well that's like first checkpoint, should be quick enuff

[wooden eagle]

it was last fight before boss

thats why I got 3647 points

[lament isle]

i meant you should get the rest of the points by doing up until 1st checkpoint

[wooden eagle]

too lazy

maybe at the end of the week when I want to play this game again

[lament isle]

i havent actually played

later at the bike machine

i also "need" to finish the one time stages, all the exps hmm hmm

[south marsh]

The wolf elite got nerfed

[wooden eagle]

i know

i miss yuki

[south marsh]

Veronicas only down side is

Ballista blocks the dogs

Which is stupid

You cant remove that attack card and it generates every turn

The new combat missions give you enough exp to max level 60 unit from 0

I got 400 gold exp tickets today

[vast swallow]

any knowers on who to pair with sereniel?

[south marsh]

Veronia and rei

Can fit nia if cant sustain instead of Veronica

[vast swallow]

I dont have vero, so i should play sere, nia and rei?

[craggy steeple]

so far for me only mika can solo sustain

running other supports 100% need to run another support/shielder

[south marsh]

My very high investment nia can now finally sustain 60% of mika

Both potential nodes unlocked

And ideal gear set + main stat

[south marsh]

Nia+ rei is more then enough sustain if you invest on support

Or you could just blast everything with rei buff + Veronica extra attacks with dps, my runs speed has massively increased ever since i started using Veronica

[south marsh]

Yes, nia is cheap draw + heal, rei for dmg buff + little heal

this has to be the singlehandedly the wrost interaction, the wolfis such a compuslory dps card , why is unusable card being counted

[lament isle]

I got 0 forbidden card runs twice in a row do I need to finish the story or something or I'm just unlucky

and yeah veronica is anti synergy with that

[craggy steeple]

cant be too busted ig

[south marsh]

Its bad design and probably not tested, unusable cards shouldnt be counted

[lament isle]

btw sereniel doesnt seem to need too many faint memories

her base kits are busted as is cos she can keep creating cards

[charred vortex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1260668078379765783/1453448506827079875/image.png?ex=694d7ce7&is=694c2b67&hm=aae6235864b5b7c17613879280a363d673549238ede6972f2efe3b3b75374331&

[craggy steeple]

she as busted as meilin?

[upbeat cobalt]

Got Her and her partner

I hope to god she is busted

[remote pagoda]

get her friendship up for her wallpaper art and never use her

[hazy nebula]

she is indeed broken

but not stronger than tressa cassius

but stronger than tressa for sure

as a standalone unit

tressa cassius has more utility

but the biggest advantage of sereniel is that she can ravage while its not as easy on tressa cassius

[south marsh]

The funny thing is for this rift cass serenials is far superior even without the upgrade nerf

[hazy nebula]

i dont think it will be

because sereniel is limited by the ravage bar

while tressa is limited by your deck

maybe the damage difference will make up for the millions of agony stacks

[wooden eagle]

probably not

[craggy steeple]

erm

[hazy nebula]

2 turned this idiot

stupid bat vagina

[hazy nebula]

is this card bugged?

homing laser L are always the exhaust ones

doesnt move any of them?

or is it supposed to be discard pile

cause graveyard = discard + exhaust pile

otherwise this card wouldn't work since its exhausted

[lament isle]

Well the blip on the right said graveyard is used this turn or discard pile

[hazy nebula]

i guess its a slightly different graveyard

maybe the graveyard was never the exhaust pile

they use graveyard everywhere for different meanings

[fast lodge]

[hazy nebula]

i think her mechanic is really fun

bouncing cards between the hand and graveyard

but at the same time she just so happened to have high multipliers

which i guess makes it more fun cause you are obliterating everything

for me, its like

80% the mechanic

20% the damage as to why shes fun

maybe 70% mechanic, 30% damage

the damage is definitely a factor

[lament isle]

yeah i kinda wish she's slightly weaker even, i do like the "tressa" gameplay but without the obviously unintended interactions

but whatever she's deffo worth the limited tag

I think I should farm up manouevring fire teams to spend stamina quickly wdyt

[lament isle]

for this card at least, the graveyard description is accurate

maybe that particular homing laser upgrade is bugged

the only annoying thing is i keep getting her stressed because she always finishes off the opponents

i'll try her in diff 11 soon

[lament isle]

ooops i played myself i didnt realize the original homing laser upgrade sometimes exclude themselves form being returned at hand during ravage

[wooden eagle]

scammed

as usual

[lament isle]

I like her she has multiple builds

Nerds will optimize her soon enough but I don't think she needs to be optimized because she's busted as is

[lament isle]

I think this should be pretty good for now

[broken lily]

@lament isle has leveled up! (72 ➜ 73)

[lament isle]

Maybe I shouldn't have picked this fortitude debuff in difficulty xi

[hazy nebula]

yeah i need to check for the epiphanies to see if they are buggedf

[lament isle]

So far I haven't noticed any, just some of them change her flow significantly like the homing laser ones

[hazy nebula]

that upgrade is actually too op

on sereniel

ravage generates 2 Ls

you can actually go infinite with that (only if there are multiple enemies)

(and also if there are tenacities to be ravaged)

i guess its "balanced" cause you can actually go theoretical infinite like tressa cassius

but still pretty broken

[south marsh]

Its dmg increase by 50% on vulnerable enemies from instinct element

[hazy nebula]

im just doing the instinct potential simulation

kinda fun how you can just spam it on all of them and then break one into repeat

[hazy nebula]

so you can send a new years card to someone you dont own?

should i just get another nyx or collect them all

[lament isle]

Yeh I'm thinking that too

If they buff the others we might benefit

[hazy nebula]

hmmm

i wonder if the 4 piece ravage set is even her bis

i feel like you spend more time trying to balance out the tenacity damage and trying to min max the amount of homing laser Ls before ravaging

[lament isle]

Yeh I don't think and just get her 2x3

Like maybe it is but is it worth the stam?

[hazy nebula]

i think the move version of homing laser is the best one

since you can extend the combo with it if theres no more tenacity bars

[lament isle]

I think so but the others can be made to work too

Hopefully they can keep with this level of balancing, no more tressa

[hazy nebula]

I hate it when they shuffle my non-L version in there

have to check each one individually

or look for the blue stars

(sometimes the glow doesnt appear)

[lament isle]

argh I fucked up the turn for the last chaos zero boss

I think you need wanderers there, how are you supposed to deal so many hits when his timer is so low

thats fun though

hmm...

what kind of meat

[ionic stream]

Dog meat

[woeful forge]

Best pack to spend for?

[south marsh]

Monthly

[south marsh]

Their was a reddit thread about it very recently in the czn subreddit

Including the new winter packs

[charred vortex]

ngl the christmas pack is ass like those normal spend on cystals

for $99 should be a lot + pulls not just 6400 and 35 pulls

WHO THE FUCK DO MARKETING SHIT

[charred vortex]

should I buy one chirstmas pack

[hazy nebula]

https://x.com/CZN_Official_EN/status/2004114908015726890

Chaos Zero Nightmare (@CZN_Official_EN)

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Illustration Contest is Live!
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Check it out now!✨

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#CHAOSZERONIGHTMARE #CZN #ChaosZeroNightmare

X · Dec 25, 2025, 9:00 AM

hurrythefuckup illustrations

https://tenor.com/view/yes-monkey-gif-17161736773310556283

https://tenor.com/view/yes-monkey-gif-17161736773310556283

[charred vortex]

which chaos lvl to farm card build

[hazy nebula]

11

[charred vortex]

ok

[lament isle]

https://tenor.com/view/senator-palpatine-anakin-skywalker-phantom-menace-gif-10607636

[craggy steeple]

do yall just ditch 4 sets

[lament isle]

i just put 2/2/2, cba to farm 4 sets

maybe 4 sets is better but do you need them?

[south marsh]

I haven't had any fun playing this game recently now that my units are built chaos is piss easy and all the late game events are comp specific or save farm slop

[lament isle]

why do slay the spire frogs always react to everything like 'oooh just like slay the spire'

i mean yes it's the grandaddy game

[wooden eagle]

symptom of indie slop frogs

OOOO its just like slay the spire

deckbuilder? OOOO slay the spire

OOOO 3 choices in a roguelike? OOOO

[lament isle]

E33 though totally original and revolutionizes the genre

[wooden eagle]

OOOO its just like vampire survivor

indie slop is the worst and pisses me off more than gacha roguelike slop

because they're meant to be real games

but they just try to iterate one thing and then sell it for the same price

[lament isle]

At least StS is like 2 dollars now

[wooden eagle]

YOOO monster train? Slay the spire but THREE lanes of combat instead of ONE?

[lament isle]

I hate the frogs more than the game

three lanes choose three

It's 3

[wooden eagle]

i was reading through the famitsu japanese dev best games of 2025 list

so many people were liking E33

I have lower hopes for games 3 years from now

[lament isle]

It is a great game in isolation but I think I said this before I'm afraid that people will try to chase the gravy train

And yeah seems like I'm right

Fuck parry slops

[wooden eagle]

i'm okay if some rpgs do it I just dont want it to be the next trend like open world games were

[lament isle]

Parry slop + roguelike "indie" turn based game selling for 50 bucks, I'm just waiting

[lament isle]

Do you trust devs not to do it though

Esp JP devs

[wooden eagle]

no I don't

the one thing I trust is that

[lament isle]

[wooden eagle]

they wont do those god awful e33 exaggerated attack motions

before you can actually parry

[lament isle]

But that's engaging!!! You need to learn the timing!!!!

Omg now I can play turn based game!!!!!

I'd rather they just copy StS at least it's real turn based

[wooden eagle]

i'd rather play a new game instead of StS 1.1

[lament isle]

I want Chrono ark 1.1 (soon) but I'll wait a while

Meanwhile im kinda struggling in diff 11 even with sereniel

Maybe I need to build def on rei for chaos

[lament isle]

https://old.reddit.com/r/ChaosZeroNightmare/comments/1pvtu3r/meta_report_dec_25_920_pm_est/ also has always been apparent but now it's undeniable that Cassius is the real "issue"

Not that it matters cos this mode brings you nothing

[hazy nebula]

yeah

ive told fob that cassius was the real problem cause he enabled tressa to go infinite in the first place

also in literally EVERY game

the support is usually the most broken

and you should be trying to get the support over the dps

its the same in e7

you can replace the dps (unless that dps is insanely broken to the point that they auto win)

but you can't really replace the support

cause they make the whole thing work

cassius just provides way too much for a support that has a dps or any other 0 cost spammer

he gets infinite damage, infinite morale, infinite draw

and you only really need to just set him up for 2 turns

or 1 if you can get a lot of AP

[lament isle]

He's nerfed right? And it's still not enough

[hazy nebula]

nerfs havent landed yet

they happen in feb or something

or late jan idk

[lament isle]

I meant from beta

[hazy nebula]

idk i didnt play beta

[lament isle]

1st kill kinda rough cos I didn't draw any of my 4 wanderers the one turn I need them

Feels good to be able to stack hits to chizuru's ult

[hazy nebula]

chizurus nice with sereniel

just for the reduced AP cost

[keen hinge]

im getting bored playing the chaos event

elp

[thin gate]

no elp

[keen hinge]

ill just dont care with the reward i guess

[hazy nebula]

theres a reason why slay the spire didnt pop off as a main game

eventually you will get bored

[wooden eagle]

quit

NOW

[keen hinge]

i still like the game

i just dont like the event

maybe i will when i find a new gacha

yeah, eventually sts is just a game knowledge check