you are farming the def set 
#Chaos Zero Nightmare
hazy nebula
or is it the health set
but i guess its not super bad
just a low priority set
sterile snow
Cc is the 2 cost one
hazy nebula
since you always want to gear DPS first
ah right
1 cost is crit dam and 2 cost is crit chance
but regardless i think it has potential
unless attack set + crit dam set is way better?
theres currently not a 3rd 2 piece thats super generic
the 2 piece basic one is alright but you usually get rid of the basics
sterile snow
I mean yeah I wanted to try that on kayron it would push me to 80% cc
But then again it's not flexible with other people
Id rather farm up the 2pcs and gear all my units first
peak torrent
The 2 cost cc one is actually pretty good
That’s the only one that is solid
Cuz cc is so hard to get
wooden eagle
i'm just going to go potential tressa now i've done enough on chizuru 
wooden eagle
even that still takes some effort to get to
oh i just realized the agony set is a 2 piece
sterile snow
Is this the secret boss 
lament isle
Yeah
(the actual use is so you can escape and keep the same chaos though)
Man chizurus basic attack effect is just 😘
So satisfying to see
Esp with +1 buff from chaos
sterile snow
I don't know how to use her I can't even beat 1st boss 
lament isle
Use her 'mark' skill and attack the marked target to get stack that will give you shadow of the moon. 3 sotm -> transform to sotm+, use it when it does
If you get the epiphany that spawns 2 basic attack I think it's the goated
But others are not bad too
sterile snow
Am I supposed to bring mika
I die
And I feel like she's just dogshit if u don't get any epiphanies
I just want a single save rn
Legit Yuki was easier than this
lament isle
Am I supposed to bring mika
If you want to use her bind, Mika's AP+ will be wasted
But she can heal per usual so it's ok
Rei is probably the easiest combo because she can buff her 1 mana skills and multihits
sterile snow
Even during chaos runs tho?
I feel like I NEED a healer
And then the other slot is for a sub dps
no room for rei
lament isle
Yeah I feel like I always kill fast enough with rei
Also chizuru's shadow of the moon heals
sterile snow
Brug 5% is nothing
lament isle
But my Rei is C6 tbf. Idk which copy the healing while attacking is from though
lament isle
Rei Tressa Chizuru should be easy
Tressa can carry (cos she's OP) and her 0 cost daggers are free stack for chizuru's sotm
fast lodge
But my Rei is C6 tbf. Idk which copy the healing while attacking is from though
C2 and you get C1 for free so you'd just need 1 copy
lament isle
But to me Chizuru is much more intuitive than yuki
fast lodge
I mean I'll try it
What chaos level do you run btw?
lament isle
Yuki I was STRUGGLING
Oh right tbf I haven't tried Chizuru in diff 11 but if you just want save diff 8 is enough right 
lament isle
I also tried Chizuru in chaos zero LV 13+ and she's more than good enough
She'll probably be fine depending on the modifiers as long as you don't have tyrant or something. I got tyrant 4 in diff 8 and she's cruising though
sterile snow
I think I got carried more by Veronica tho when I was running yuki
lament isle
Try her in lower diff first to see how she works maybe (and to get the save data)
sterile snow
just found out duping karmic flames pointless
I think luke will be better than tressa tho
Last run I did I got a shadow moon + every other turn
M*le finally has a use
lament isle
Yeah probably, I haven't used him because m*le
south marsh
I will say the live 2d scenes are rather high quality but they didn't have phone chat interactions for my wife 
hazy nebula
they did amir dirty
south marsh
They did rin dirty
main falcon
Owen did them all
craggy steeple
watched it from the cuckpit 
wooden eagle
front seat
south marsh
They really need to add the real time changes to faint memory when adding new cards
I dont wanna do the fking maths
Got my legendary yuki run ruined because i tried removing 2 cost basic cuz of you @wooden eagle
wooden eagle
skill issue
south marsh
You hijacked my legendary yuki
wooden eagle
did you also not read the part about getting trickery inspiration first
you dont just blindly remove 2 cost basic immediately
south marsh
I removed it at the end and it went 160\150 and returned me the fking shield instead
sweet remnant
i always bonk him with haru
south marsh
Judas is just a rally check
Get 4 rally total and draw 50% deck every turn and his bum ass gimmick gets ruined
thin gate
craggy steeple
yo why she lookin at me like that 
upbeat cobalt
upbeat cobalt
Owen ntr protag
hazy nebula
the mechanic is just use tressa, cassius and mika
or else you're not even going to be top 50%
but to be honest, it doesnt really matter
the rewards are about the same
the only difference is the division sticker you get
craggy steeple
so 4 sets rn are literally just trash? not a single one is good? 
do the devs not know how their game works or is ts for some reason intentional
main falcon
Seems like only 1 cost +35cd, 2 cost justice and order sets are the good ones
south marsh
or else you're not even going to be top 50%
Nah im top 10% with no tressa but instead used wife 
south marsh
Im the rin guy
I finally get the using rei on almost every comp after you s6 her
Its a massive difference
hazy nebula
wtf hes the owen guy
wooden eagle
he's the yuki guy
hazy nebula
does the void set affect tressas dot?
if it does i gotta start farming more of it
im guessing it doesnt
south marsh
Her daggers are exhaust so it should
lament isle
do you guys remove dark blade on rei?
sweet remnant
sweet remnant
i suppose it is
south marsh
do you guys remove dark blade on rei?
No, im not using rei for dps nor building her as a dps (gear and potential )so its pointless to use her basic attack
The down side is you get less heals from her dupe 2 but she isnt your main healer anyway
wooden eagle
feeling like I wanna cut a gacha soon
czn might be it
its a good game but the time investment is a bit high relatively
maybe rotate it out until the next update, play it for a bit and see if I get lucky pulls
and then dump it for a bit
lament isle
go to 4 from 5 gachas 
wooden eagle
net result of 4 gacha is my guess
did a big push on finishing off main content in wuwa so should be good for a bit unless 3.0 is that good
stella is a 5min/day game
browndust 2 is dead again after december
horizon dropped, dna dropped unless the update is interesting enough
maybe actually still a net result of 5 gacha 
south marsh
Horizon the coomer gacha?
wooden eagle
no I think I'll be cutting more, its rotate back to mmo's I think
yeah the coomer gacha
its okay not great
just for a laugh
sweet remnant
i just play this and where winds meet
wooden eagle
well its a technicality
is guild wars 1 really an mmo
probably not
is where winds mee an mmo
lament isle
no I think I'll be cutting more, its rotate back to mmo's I think
yeah bro out of the frying pan directly into the fire
lament isle
if PSO2 is an mmo wwm can be considered one too
south marsh
is where winds mee an mmo
For a game that has souls like boss fights i dont get how ita a mmo
south marsh
I have heard the wack things you can do in the game like public humiliation and stuff
wooden eagle
yeah that all sounds cool I just don't know how it all fits in
i'll find out when I finally rotate to that game properly
and then I guess I'll rotate back to gacha at some point months later
to complete r1999 and arknights
lament isle
still holding on to r1999?
it has the prettiest character design but the most unreadable story to me
wooden eagle
well I finished the first arc
and it was just over the line of good enough to go forward
but the first two chapters of that game were complete ass
lament isle
first arc is the one with the robot?
wooden eagle
theres a few different stories in the first arc
starts off with the captain girl and the apple - horrible prologue
lament isle
oh i meant you saw the robot lady already?
wooden eagle
i dont thikn I remember a robot lady yet
maybe i'm wrong about the arcs hold on
oh I finished the story around when the game released
lament isle
ok nvm i was about to spoil but just enjoy
wooden eagle
after the political games chapter
lament isle
right, where vertin almost got lobotomized but saved by her friends
lament isle
true test for you will be the math island
if you can stand the verbosity in that chapter you should be good
wooden eagle
I'm convinced they didnt do a second pass on the first 2 chapters of the game
because the difference feels pretty stark in terms of acting
lament isle
yeah apparently after the prologue they involved the VAs more often in dialogue QC and stuff
wooden eagle
which is probably why vertin's chapters were good
at least enoguh to make me want to commit at some point
lament isle
cos obviously CN peeps for the most part won't feel the quality issue
after they released it on global, the feedback came in
wooden eagle
if you can stand the verbosity in that chapter you should be good
long stories are fine as long as they're well paced or interesting enough
lament isle
i miss my girl 37 but not sure if i wanna read allat
peak torrent
The grind in this game is kinda starting to wear on me
I want to use new characters but I gotta grind for it
south marsh
Their is no grind in this game its just you leave auto and do something else
The rest is what you choose to do
south marsh
You forgot to read the leave auto part
You auto the dailies with the exception of manual weeklies
Other than that there is no manual grind
main falcon
No one autos chaos, unless they're doing super low level ones
AI is too dumb to be trusted
raven dove
Just because you auto something doesn't remove the part of it being a grind
main falcon
Gachas have been straying away from conventional type of login and do dailies for 2 minutes for the whole week
The recent ones
main falcon
Oh damn there actually isnt an auto for it
Didnt realize coz it never crossed my mind to try autoing it
peak torrent
4 chaos runs is roughly 4 hours a week
keep in mind you have to run chaos to get builds to play your new character
on top of the like 3 day time to hit lvl 50 and get potentials
its a pretty significant barrier to playing new characters
anyways the issue is that the event chaos is absolute dogshit for building good decks
so ur basically forced to do 5+ runs a week if u want to actually have good decks with any copies of any card
fast lodge
The grind in this game is kinda starting to wear on me
the artifacts combined with how many crystals potentials need is too cringe
massive ass energy sinks
south marsh
hello? chaos?
Other then the event weekly for chaos, that is not grind thats the part you play for enjoyment, if you grind it its a personal problem, i said manual weeklies for that reason
You dont need a 3 to 4 copy shadow reload upgrade to get results
You can just use whatever random save you got while doing planets
I exclusively do lab 0 for weekly else its trying to level 30 planets from zero mode
If i have time that is
peak torrent
you don't need it but 2 copies is a significant upgrade
what about 2 tutor cards for yuki
south marsh
Well i dont even use tressa so i wont know
peak torrent
4 tutor cards for yuki in the deck is a huge upgrade
like yeah u dont strictly need it
but ur massively nerfing urself by not having them
south marsh
Imo subdue is only worth duping if you get any divine epiphany version of it that gives 1 ap
sweet remnant
I don't know what youre trying to say, chaos isn't optional. You have to build up decks and equipment for your characters
peak torrent
I don't know what youre trying to say, chaos isn't optional. You have to build u...
I think his point is you don't need to grind for copies with the perfect deck to play
sweet remnant
Maybe if you don't want to do anything that's actually difficult yeah
If you play gachas just to do chores though you're gonna always complain about it
peak torrent
there's quite a large gap in deck power if you dont do this though
sweet remnant
Yup
peak torrent
idk they can do a lot to fix this easily imo
sweet remnant
Not without making major changes to how decks are buitl
peak torrent
i.e. making the event chaos let you have a choice between 6 cards to copy
that would make it way easier and incentivize actually playing the event to build decks
sweet remnant
They could introduce a points or currency system to let you buy cards and upgrades rather than or in addition to just randomly rolling them
peak torrent
theres a bunch of other changes they can make too
basically they should just make it so that the seasonal event is the best for building a deck that season
sweet remnant
That's what I expected tbh
peak torrent
its not rocket science they just fucked it up
sweet remnant
Unfortunately
south marsh
Maybe if you don't want to do anything that's actually difficult yeah
I did like one run for nia and haru and used that nia run to reach top 10% while my first 3 star gear only haru save was able to clear all the way to judas 10 , clearing content doesn't require ideal save, the game simply isn't that hard that you need to get min max save to clear content
south marsh
Idk i wont call it lucky it was ass, all i did was give her whatever i got because i had no saves for her
I just spammed the special epiphanies and chose whatever forbidden card i got onto her
lament isle
I'm just in maintenance mode for sereniel 
and then I'll see what the devs are cooking
main falcon
Sereniel already near and I havent tested chizuru once
I just finished gearing her up
But wait there's more
Fucking potentials grind
lament isle
My potentials are pretty much just 1 across the board
Haven't felt the need to invest more in crit/crit damage
main falcon
They should definitely adjust potential costs for the next patch
lament isle
Yeah tressa trivializes everything
main falcon
BBBBBBrrrrrrokkeen ||in a controlled environment lmao||
south marsh
Surely they wont nerf agony 
Im more interested on how they will balance the game without making the biggest fumble
This leaderboard only exposes the games bad balancing
granite horizon
hazy nebula
she will be tired again after im done with her
sweet remnant
oop, i forgot all about czn this morning
that's usually the beginning of the end of a game for me
sweet remnant
my spending habits in this game were healthy so i'm not bothered
i only bought the first battlepass after i finished it, nothing else
wooden eagle
same
my thinking is
even if I ditch for a few months
I still have a lot of characters I might want to build
unless theres super powercreep
sweet remnant
there will be, there always is
sweet remnant
and the people who don't quit will deny that it's powercreep like usual
wooden eagle
I cant see them being that outpaced
lament isle
The stam wasting with shit AI part is super annoying
charred vortex
oop, i forgot all about czn this morning
its better because it isn't like those daily slop gacha
we either play or wait for new season
like path of exile
sweet remnant
the heart wants what it wants
if I cant remember to play the game it means i dont want to play it
charred vortex
The stam wasting with shit AI part is super annoying <:kek:1092598898490613760>
yeah
sweet remnant
thats how i always treat it
charred vortex
dumbest shit that czn could be dofferent game
but this retard
director
copy mihoyoshit
he promise it will be different game
then
look inside
also play wuthering wave
sweet remnant
i think ill just play weakweakman
sweet remnant
the deck building system is the only attraction of this game and they didnt innovate with it almost at all
so yeah probably not many people will stay
wooden eagle
i'm still waiting for a game thats like uma's system but not as annoying
probably wont happen
mild sky
already said this before but making ur save data is really fun but using ur save data is really boring
raven dove
south marsh
Post nut clarity
charred vortex
ent will play again when devs actually put something good later
I curious will this game will be the same like e7
with huge improvement
after the disaster
to be continue......
south marsh
So i honestly thought ill never reach a point where i would have nothing to farm other then better gear for existing units or exp for new units
But my supports and dps are geared with ideal sets and main stats and even potential upgraded to the point needed
And its 7 units (4dps 3 supports)
split cipher
hazy nebula
still costs credits to start up the farm
im too cheap
but yeah once you have a lot you can just spam the chaos points
wooden eagle
okay
so what other potentials do I need from tressa
do I need any of the upgrade cards
lament isle
so what other potentials do I need from tressa
Just the heal = dagger epi and dupe it once and das it
Potentials just unlock all I guess, you don't need the basic attack + node though
wooden eagle
yeah I've unlocked everything except the stats/card upgrades
didnt know if I needed crit or the % dmg upgrades
lament isle
If the question is whether you need, then you don't at all
If youre chasing top 1% I guess the %dmg
wooden eagle
i'll save the mats then
wooden eagle
okay well
i'm ready to build tressa
but i also dont care about playing
big dilemma
hazy nebula
good thing you dont need to constantly play
just log in and spend your energy (or dont)
and then play when a new character comes out or new content (or dont)
wooden eagle
true I dont actually have to do the season game modes
I do need to get some season currency though
eh we'll see how I feel tomorrow
lament isle
Sereniel waiting room
Then I'll see how they handle next season
I'm also in maint mode cos I've done everything
wooden eagle
i ahve to play because I know there are mats in the supply shops that I should get
that will be useful when I come back in a quarter of a year from now
but i dont want to play its a bit of a chore
south marsh
i want to play zero systems
How do you not have the blue currency and lack units as well
lament isle
Just in time
wooden eagle
christmas eve update?
hazy nebula
make space on christmas for CZN
YAY
show CZN to your family
and get them to play CZN
long dirge
We know the next character?
hazy nebula
i mean do you see that ass above
hazy nebula
long dirge
christmas eve update? <:OMEGALUL:641778355737329673>
Wuwa updating too on eve
long dirge
https://postimg.cc/SjYHvdDN
Damn
Im having fun with chizuru
I hope shes is fun too
I got yuki too but abandoned her
hazy nebula
WHO?????????
long dirge
hazy nebula
the "problem" with yuki
is that you can't cheat out damage
like a lot of the other dps
eg. lukes gimmick is generating bullets for basically free
same for renoa
lament isle
yuki the most autoable dps for now that's +1 for her
hazy nebula
mei lin just cheats out punches and get enabled by veronica to cheat out kicks
hazy nebula
tressa cheats out damage with her infinite cycle of daggers
yuki can't do that
she has to literally draw TO the hand
to even get a small advantage
and all her cards cost at least 1 AP
lament isle
just get +1 AP and dupe her tutor card 
long dirge
am I cooked If I dont pull any of their signature card support
hazy nebula
no
lament isle
i never pulled any sig cards except haru and i regretted doing it
hazy nebula
all of them are whatever
lament isle
3* cards are too strong in this game (for now)
long dirge
This mihoyo garbage system
Cant afford cards
hazy nebula
yeah the mihoyo system is the biggest problem of this game
dupe system
split banner
gearing system
not even kidding
literally everything they stole off mihoyo is dogshit
and doesnt fit for this game
hazy nebula
i think the gearing system would be fine
if it wasn't so "useless"?
like its good when it works
it works 100% of the time, 50% of the time
long dirge
If it was simple like
U just need one stage farm for one exact set
Maybe not that bad
Idk
Im ignoring for the moment, playing very casually
hazy nebula
they should have made it so you can infinitely farm memory fragments
through chaos
that way you have an actual reason to keep spamming chaos
outside of trying to min max a save data
hazy nebula
cause right now, the energy system is super stressed
you literally cant do anything
you have to really think about what you want to farm with your energy
most of the time its potential
assuming you already have a set of memory fragments
main falcon
if it wasn't so "useless"?
That's not even really a problem because they can just buff them and also the upcoming sets
hazy nebula
i mean it is a problem
when they buff them later
that means they fixed the problem
main falcon
The problem is the system
Like how are they gonna change this shit
This system is hot garbage
long dirge
craggy steeple
i prefer them make the 4 sets actually good 
lament isle
honestly i dont even mind using 2+2+2 forever i cba farming gear sets
hazy nebula
222 gang
hazy nebula
cause its broken
a build with the exact same cards (4 dagger upgrade)
1 with and 1 without that armor
is about 300-400k in score in the ladder
i think
sterile snow
I have to farm another deck cause my first one isn't from this season
south marsh
is that you can't cheat out damage
Imo yuki dmg is fine , its just depending on how early you get her passive, morale stacking with her passive on single target dmg is really high
Its just rng depending on where that passive card is during the shuffle , she simply needs initiation on all her upgrade epiphanies so her dmg is consistent
sweet remnant
i crit for like 1.7k on yuki, which is fine by me for how fast she attacks
south marsh
I have done a 2k crit with her 2 cost basic with inspiration buff
hazy nebula
dps cassius is kinda funny
he does so much damage with tressa
wait isnt this card broken?
or is it only 40% multiplier for 1 card?
let me test
yeah
its only for 1 card
1 card of the character that has the gun
craggy steeple
best i could do is silver just like in valo
lament isle
thats only in 5 turns? nice
hazy nebula
i misplayed itg
and also my tressa is only 2 upgrades 
keep overfilling my hand so i miss out on free cassius damage
and potential morale buff
woeful forge
What does this event mean?
I know the ??? Is the secret boss. (I got demolished)
The next chain event too what is memory encroachment
hazy nebula
that event gives you an extra boss after the 2nd boss
lament isle
memory enchroachment is a debuff but im also not sure what it means
too much = dangerous is all i know
i think it gives you the bad cards like bleed and whatnot
main falcon
imo going to 3 memory encroachment is ok. If you go 4 the boss at the end of the tunnel will kick your ass
hazy nebula
memory encroachment is only for that area
where you transverse the thing
just max encroachment
hazy nebula
not only do i get the bat vagina
but i also get the dog walker
i killed all his dogs but i still die to him
hazy nebula
that team is pretty good
i just need e2 cassius
i feel like no e2 cassius, you can just barely sustain it with ego spamming heal
e2 might be the thing i need to fully sustain it
south marsh
i just need e2 cassius
E2 cassius has almost no impact on healing only e6 improves sustain by spamming morale debuffs
You could try nia instead she has somewhat heals and can spam curosity
hazy nebula
maybe
but i dont really like the playstyle of nia
i mean, shes alright to play but not my fav
main falcon
i feel like no e2 cassius, you can just barely sustain it with ego spamming heal
i feel like you can drop cass then put in a sub dps
Rei sustain is kinda enough
south marsh
How do people call rei sustain enough its like 30% of what mika does
Rei with nia is able to have decent sustain but only rei sucks ass
hazy nebula
got a decent one
not amazing but workable
wish i got rid of the moonslash
+2 hits is day and night on chizuru
main falcon
How do people call rei sustain enough its like 30% of what mika does
Rei also buffs damage by a lot. So killing enemies faster = you take less hits
Also arwen is a really good partner for her
Sustain + damage reduction
south marsh
Arwen is like a must regardless of team
south marsh
Rei also buffs damage by a lot. So killing enemies faster = you take less hits
The problem with this is if you get the dmg cards early with starter deck
hazy nebula
why the hell is this bat vagina so tanky
DIE!
oh boy this could have been the god mika for tressa
if i could save more data
every card has a heal + draw
well, almost every card
south marsh
Their is a chance to get draw from normal epiphany as well but its like super rare
Also 3 copies wtf
Which planet is this
hazy nebula
Lab 0
lament isle
what the that's already godly
lament isle
do you mean the boss with points?
vast swallow
yea
lament isle
1st boss - have to kill adds until the buff number is 0
2nd boss - hit the boss until buff number is 0
if successful the thoughts = draw with no cost
vast swallow
the 8 thing he gets?
lament isle
yeah i think in hell it's 10 initially for the 1st boss
vast swallow
ok ty
lament isle
Lost confiscation and gained whirlpool and 1 basic attack
oop but still good
south marsh
Lab 0
I will say i consider both tunnels trash
Interior events are too good to skip, and forbidden cards are meh
craggy steeple
sitting on top of 300 pulls with guaranteed 5* in 11 pulls
south marsh
So veronica is not only the best draw support but also good for save farming because she has bunch of uniques
charred vortex
ok
lament isle
Probably Jena played it no
STS is an old ass game
And he played variety unlike baldo
Speaking about old ass game I cleared my first expert Chrono ark run yaay tressa azar op
hazy nebula
no
he hasnt played slay the spire before
he said hes just going to wait for 2
which makes sense
slay the spire 2 video that released earlier
looks very similar to 1
which is good i guess? since it means it will be a direct successor
lament isle
I guess it makes sense
main falcon
If sereniel isnt that good i might actually just pull for E2 chizuru
I kinda like her playstyle
Or maybe imma just exchange for dupes
main falcon
it's not anime/weeb enough for me
Plus not so much fan of its graphics
Chrono ark is much better
sweet remnant
STS isn't my favorite deckbuilder anymore but it was fun at the time
lament isle
it's not anime/weeb enough for me
thats why sts good czn bad for chat
south marsh
Chrono ark is much better
Yes thats sts biggest problem its a garbage experience because chrono ark no diffs it so easily
south marsh
STS isn't my favorite deckbuilder anymore but it was fun at the time
The green unit was the only thing remotely fun to use in that game
lament isle
yeah loving chrono ark so far, thankful to czn to bringing the game to my attention (also it went on sale)
charred vortex
"The amount of cut/discarded content in this game is astonishing. Each planet had it's own storyline (video with illustrations.)"
the director man
upbeat cobalt
Just give us full access to the skip story button lil bro devs.
south marsh
I finally started doing the try hard farming for saves
And out of like 3 to 4 runs i got the most perfect divine epiphany on a fking mika source of water instead of yuki
But i had killed half mika deck by then
south marsh
I really dislike this way of playing killing unique cards to get more epiphany sounds really bad
peak torrent
the issue is most chars have some cards that just suckass
like not even situationally good they just suck
main falcon
Yeah it makes sense though since diff8 is piss easy anyway
Plus it helps with duplicating the card you want
south marsh
Idk i have lost with yuki nia, rei when doing yuki farming
With mika its impossible to loose
south marsh
Idk i have lost with yuki nia, rei when doing yuki farming
But this was with half hp and increase hp of bosses which is super bad for yuki
hazy nebula
hazy nebula
cheaters
holy shit
1 guy abused it 231 times
the bug was, reroll zero systems for free or something
they should fuck that 231 buy
by offloading the credits he would have used
onto his account
how much is reroll
like 90k or something right?
just bill his account for 21m
teach him a lesson for bug abusing
its only fair
they did the same for e7
when people abused the energy bug
players went into the negatives to pay back the energy used
main falcon
Idk i have lost with yuki nia, rei when doing yuki farming
I dont really like running double supports in chaos, maybe that's just me
main falcon
Eos?
fast lodge
lament isle
south marsh
Yeah im done with this grind ass method
Its not fun and not getting a single decent run pisses you off a bit extra
lament isle
True bruvva
south marsh
I will say they really need to fix the lack of epiphany problem
main falcon
I'm not having problems with the amount of epiphany
The problem is getting the correct epiphany
And the damn copy
Would be better if they provide 6 card options to copy
hazy nebula
They literally talked about it in the previous dev stream
Well the Korean dev stream
About the epiphanies
You are burning yourself out
That's why they are releasing a road map on this upcoming dev stream
It's not something they can immediately fix since the updates are most likely scheduled
Like the level 60 character costs was easy to change cause it was just adjusting the integers
Epiphanies, neutral cards, gameplay mechanics, UI etc will take time
lament isle
I saw jena stream
hazy nebula
Probably better to just go on maintenance mode until they can slowly roll out the changes
lament isle
It's kinda crazy how people care so much about the leaderboards
With it pretty much giving u nothing
hazy nebula
I guess so, but that's what he wants to do
lament isle
It works for him he gets $$ from it
lament isle
I'm wasted today so I read CZN reddit
Ppl are complaining about characters only having 1 build path
But it's mostly applicable to Mei Lin and tressa only
SG just needs to pick up the ball on balance
south marsh
But it's mostly applicable to Mei Lin and tressa only
Nah most chars have 1 good ideal path
hazy nebula
instinct potential farming feels like ass cheeks
compared to the other ones
maybe i gotta get an aoe comp going
main falcon
2 supports 1 dps aint it and especially not the tressa main dps
I use renoa, i use flower i end turn
hazy nebula
ahhhh this stupid portal teleported me into an empowered bat vagina
turn 2 what in the world
he got the vulnerability power
charred vortex
main falcon
Even 1 run a day is reasonable
I think they're doing it like jena
But they forgot that he does that for a living
hazy nebula
streamers have "infinite" time to play whatever they want
south marsh
instinct potential farming feels like ass cheeks
Its fastest for me because of khalipe
The best way to play is commit to all until one of them gets an ideal epiphany and then you over commit to that unit
Im just back to trying to level 30 planets
lament isle
actually correct take though tbh
if they have swipe or have better auto AI this game is chill
sweet remnant
1 chaos run a day is like a whole hour or more though
especially if you count the time it takes to spend energy even with auto
this game kind of is a time sink
lament isle
Yeah agree, I guess I'm more contesting on the best epiphanies thing cos when you have good enough I really don't see the point of grinding for like 4 heal to dagger upgrades
Even worse because the chaos run is limited to the new chaos too
But I'm more annoyed on the bad auto tbh than chaos grind
sweet remnant
the entire premise of the game kinda subverted itself with the save data system limiting your choices so much
main falcon
I think save data is ok
Coz no save data means everyone just runs OP shit
We're talking about 10 reorganizes/gear bags per deck
sweet remnant
so instead they just figure out exploits which is less fun
save data makes everything you do in chaos almost pointless
maybe youd see something other than tressa on the leaderboards if it wasnt begging you to exploit
main falcon
That's more like meta slaving than exploiting
south marsh
The problem is the rouge like is easy but many event options are too temporary effect like effect hp, stress etc
So they sre a waste of options It's better to either have credits gear or epiphanies
craggy steeple
need to do like 7-8 runs a week for minmaxing,
south marsh
Having high def on supports makes thing easier
charred vortex
hazy nebula
you dont even need to do 1 run a day
you only "need" to clear up to 8k points on your lab 0 weekly
thats like what?
4? runs?
then you do the weekly slap the boss with tressa
south marsh
I maxed cassius and nia , Now it's Veronica's turn Maybe I'm stupid for not rushing tressa but whatever
split cipher
its been over 10 days im doing blue pot to get one chain
havent seen one yet
im doing like 4-6 hours a day i did anything that is possible idk what the accual fuck i should do
chaos runs it becomes hard and u eventualy die and u have to reset to low lvl
anyone with secret tech around i give up
and btw i got a decent veronica earlier from event, it dissapeared is that suppose to happen?
hazy nebula
oh no
subjugating yourself to torture
i want chains too
so i can abuse mikas 1 cost source of water
but its not worth my mental to spam out that many runs
to get 3-4 upgrade + chains
fast lodge
How is this 8.4k waiting?
Koreans readying up 4 hours in advance to be mad
main falcon
Koreans readying up 4 hours in advance to be mad
The thing is JP, KR and EN streams will all be on different channels
main falcon
you mean to tell me that the JP players who make up more than half of the revenue is getting gapped?
hazy nebula
they probably dont care as much
they just play the game
and spend in the game
now thats 
lament isle
i want a hug from sereniel 
hazy nebula
lament isle
Strim soon
hazy nebula
17k on EN
how many on JP
JP EOS JP EOS JP EOS JP EOS
wait nvm
it jumped to 5k
pretty sure the JP doesnt wait
they just tune in on time or a little after
GOLLY
shes got the whole package wtf
wooden eagle
if this isnt interesting I'll leave this game uninstalled
hazy nebula
her gyatt
when you hold the cards
GOLLY SHEEEEEEEESH
shes the present
the christmas present
fast lodge
hazy nebula
oh nice
if you go past 6 dupes
and you get a 7th
you can swap that dupe for another dupe
good for long term players
or whales
lament isle
Ok I am outside touching grass so let me know if something interesting other than sereniel comes in
But my resolve to pull is hardened though
uncut apex
segs scene update
hazy nebula
January for the people who cant hold the fast forward button for more than 5 seconds
lament isle
I do want medium is premium characters tho
hazy nebula
they're adding a save data editing ticket
feb
oh no
owen is about to die
the story rework is soon
wooden eagle
looks like zzz girl
lament isle
Zzz ahh character
hazy nebula
hazy nebula
fast lodge
chill man I can only have 1 wallpaper at time
lament isle
Somehow all of them have hoyo men as their profile pic too
lament isle
chill man I can only have 1 wallpaper at time
Actually we should suggest switching wallpapers
Like should be able to set multiple and
Scroll to switch
fast lodge
true true, even a randomizer
lament isle
I'm honestly super radicalized against hoyo men profile pic
I thought we can all goon together
wooden eagle
unfortunately some people cant be gooned with
hazy nebula
oooh
they are planning on making it so you can break parts of flesh of the boss
that sounds interesting
lament isle
hazy nebula
instead of just slapping the boss
lament isle
Any plan to sweep?
fast lodge
I'm honestly super radicalized against hoyo men profile pic
yeah some cringe shit, its one thing if they just cried about wanting more for them but they gata act like annoying puritans on anything else
hazy nebula
maybe, they havent gone over everything yet
basically abyss from ebicseben
tower of scream
150 floors????
oh
30 battles
5 waves per battle
character sync system
can temp level up the combatant
before investing
and now you can borrow a friends save data
only 1 borrow a day
lament isle
can temp level up the combatant
Nice we do need this
hazy nebula
They are adding commissions
Basically free loot with a timer
epiphany rerolls
and selective dupes on boss kill
convert card
fast lodge
dam these are sick looking
hazy nebula
superior remove card
fast lodge
yuki buffs
and her partner too probably
tressa cass nerfs 
its deserved but man thats gonna be some fkin meltdown
lament isle
What is the nerf?
wooden eagle
no one knows
fast lodge
they didn't say, just alluded to it and said something about save data edit tickets
hazy nebula
yeah its good that they are getting nerfed
they are actually way too op
cheat code comp
kill every content for free
interesting concept
can change game mechanics
remove used card pile
in the real roguelike content
where no save data is saved
lament isle
tougher real roguelike content will be welcome
hazy nebula
this is good
cause they are actually touching on almost every
problem
like bad neutrals
bad epiphanies
lament isle
kill every content for free
Yeah I wouldn't have cleared Judas 10 without them om
hazy nebula
not rewarding battles/elites
wooden eagle
just looks like railway from limbus
lament isle
Hmm I can't watch yet but I hope for future releases they make multiple epiphanies more viable
That's the fun part of roguelites
Tunneling into 1 build just gives everyone hoyo syndrome
wooden eagle
i dunno
all this stuff sounds great
but it doesnt excite me
nothing about it makes me want to install right now except for fomo to build currency so I can pull
i'll wait for the roguelike 'hard' mode to come out with proper details
everything else seems to me to be focusing on making save data more easy to build
which then leads me to think the biggest differential is good gear
which is gear hoyo grinding
lament isle
i'll wait for the roguelike 'hard' mode to come out with proper details
Yeh I'm more interested in the hard roguelike itself
lament isle
And sereniel Christmas present oh boy
wooden eagle
i think the game I want just isnt what this will ever be
i mean it never was but I was just coping that it would be okay
lament isle
So uh any sweep mention?
fast lodge
I wanted to go back and recheck some stuff but this been going for so long I forgot what I wanted to check
hazy nebula
nothing mentioned for sweep
wooden eagle
i guess i reinstall to soak up the free currency
but I really don't think I'll ever play this consistently again
lament isle
I just need a faster daily and commitments and I don't mind supporting this game and playing when there's content