Chaos Zero Nightmare

[wooden eagle]

i do whatever I can easily get away with but if I find anything too annoying then I ujst drop it

the gacha treadmill is a scam dont fall for it

[lament isle]

That hsr crap is probably just their placeholder before they release a meatier endgame

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[mild sky]

they need to do it like stella sora where the endgame mode is just another rougelike

[lament isle]

I mean the boss thingy is already a better endgame even though it's just bosses + modifiers idk why they didn't just do that

[mild sky]

real

[wooden eagle]

true

[lament isle]

Im willing to give them benefit of the doubt until end of first season

Until I get the cash refunds I'm just maintenance mode though ok I guess I'm trying to beat event chaos 11

In the meantime imma try cultivating

I also bought Chrono ark

[mild sky]

[wooden eagle]

close game and play chrono ark instead

[lament isle]

The issue is I cba bringing my steam deck on my commute while CZN is super convenient

I guess I should've waited for switch version

[mild sky]

the one thing u might not like in chrono ark is u can miss

[sweet remnant]

foldable steam deck when

[lament isle]

I think it's cause I have to take both bus and train so a lot of transit and it's a pain in the ass holding the deck in between the modes of transport

[lament isle]

Nope, gonna sell suboptimal PC instead

[lament isle]

If they bought it here the Korean protests wouldve been absolute cinema

[mild sky]

farming for crit and accuracy

[hazy nebula]

this wont work right since its move

and attunement is draw

[sterile snow]

[hazy nebula]

i will limit test

[sterile snow]

wth is this shitgate

[hazy nebula]

ok so move is considered a draw

so you can move abuse this with confiscation

[sterile snow]

ok but youre still using 2 cards to draw 1

or does confiscation draw 1 and draw the forbidden

[hazy nebula]

confiscate draws 1

[wooden eagle]

draws 1 and does that

[hazy nebula]

and the moves a forbidden to hand

and then thee eternal hunger procs

giving you 1 ap and drawing 1 card

so using confiscate gives you 2 cards 1 ap and enternal hunger

[wooden eagle]

and then procs whatever draw equipment you have

[hazy nebula]

i have nia at the moment so its easy to discard stuff

you want to discard eternal hunger instead of using it to exhaust

so you can abuse it more

[peak torrent]

chrono ark is a better designed game

[lament isle]

Yeah move is draw, as a mei lin abuser I'm well acquainted

[hazy nebula]

nah i thought move wasnt considered as a draw

i thought it was more like selecting and moving it directly into my hand

but move is literally draw but reaches into the used pile

it has all the functionalities of draw

[lament isle]

I'll see how, you're probably right but people just don't want to give gachers their laurels sometimes, like genshin vs botw

[lament isle]

Yep

[wooden eagle]

well for one it doesnt have hoyo systems in it

[peak torrent]

no like czn copied a bunch of mechanics from other games but they aren't well thought out

an example is turn count from chrono ark

is a huge source of player agency there and sometimes you even spend ap to decrease the count

but here in czn it's just like

yeah alright the coutner is going down

[lament isle]

yeah this is a legitimate reason, not just gacha = bad although gacha IS bad

[peak torrent]

gacha is bad because u have to dumb down the mechanics for gacha audience

or other reasons like almost every character only having 1 real build

because if they invested more dev time into making multiple builds they'd be investing time that could be spent on other characters

[lament isle]

there is indeed a correlation but there are a lot of dogshit "real" games too

[peak torrent]

to me the difference is that those games suck because they devs suck at designing

and gacha design problems are inherent to the genre

[hazy nebula]

everything bad is cause of them stealing mihoyo systems

[lament isle]

yeah nothing we can do about gacha design, but you mentioned a part where czn devs legit suck at designing so that's a good concrete example where chrono ark is possibly better

[hazy nebula]

SHE LIKES IT

wtf not onions

https://tenor.com/view/dr-disrespect-angry-slam-mad-pissed-gif-11351877

but i got an indirect kiss 😳

i ate the onion

[wooden eagle]

i still have no idea what the fuck the percentage means

[lament isle]

55% is diabolical

i also don't know, probably increase in affection afterwards?

but it's irrelevant

[hazy nebula]

yeah its how much affection you get at the end

[hazy nebula]

so why does this replicated one do more damage

oh this 20%

is only for 1 card

[lament isle]

1
those cards

[south marsh]

So i got a really good run with cas, mika and yuki but discovered a new problem, if you have 2 subdue wtih 2x draw, you end up using all the cards of yuki from draw pile, none of her draw cards can force a shuffle so you get 1 to 2 turns of no yuki cards because you drew them all

Yuki is so ass its incredible even when you fulfill her demand a new problem arrives

[sweet remnant]

does this set work on haru's anchor shot

[lament isle]

Should be, it's basic right

[sweet remnant]

i dont understand how cards are classified in this game

the terms are all confusing

[hazy nebula]

man

tressa really isnt a real character

unless you get that upgrade

[wooden eagle]

nia can force shuffle

[south marsh]

No, anchor is unique card ,basic are cards that dont gain epiphany (anchor is simply a starting unique card)

[south marsh]

How does she shuffle?

I usually get a dog every chaos thankfully but you need to remove cassisus basics else they piss off the dog

[wooden eagle]

her ult sends all cards to the discard pile

[south marsh]

Oh but you never draw all yuki cards with nia anyway

Joker with 2x draw subdue is really nice

[wooden eagle]

i draw all the yuki cards with rei's draw spam

[south marsh]

Draw spam = 1 draw that gets exhausted

[wooden eagle]

well yeah its not specifically rei

but i just pack all the neutrals onto her

[south marsh]

0 ap to draw my beloved

[craggy steeple]

tempted to start pulling on standard to get the selector

[wary needle]

how far r u

i did a ten pull on weapon and regret it lol would be 270 rn

[craggy steeple]

250

they really dont give anymore after 250

just gettin them from events and monthlies from now on ig

[wary needle]

yea definitely wait till after the stimulus package

and lvl up your characters

if youre desperate u could level all of them

can get 14 more pulls lvling the characters im still interested in to 60

the refund is coming next month so thts another 5 pulls

[south marsh]

what is this creep aah choice

her face without the doshit teasing face looks so much better

[main falcon]

is kayron really just bad like jena says?

any E0 diff 11 clearers?

[wooden eagle]

i dont have him

are people saying he's shit now

[craggy patrol]

well they say orlea is bad too so

and she legit enables some really nasty shit

building her is a nightmare sure

[wooden eagle]

yeah I dont trust anyone's opinion on this game

[craggy patrol]

but once shes build she slaps

[wary needle]

will just say he spent 3-4 streams trying kayron and didnt get a single diff11 clear

[main falcon]

i'm pretty sure mr xely is a kayron main

[south marsh]

But jena comps are ass and he fails to min max

[cedar relic]

Funny how he says every comp that isn't giga draw bullet spam is dogshit he can only play mei lin reona e3 luke

[craggy patrol]

well built magna is nasty af too

[mild sky]

kayron is not that bad he just takes a while to ramp up

(oath of vanity)

[sweet remnant]

finally i got a basic save data with the good shadow reload

its not great but its a start at least

[south marsh]

Will say kayron imo is more build up with less output, all his futility consume tools should consume them from draw pile, hand , and discard pile

By having it hand only ,all your left with is unnecessary bloat that cant be used until next shuffle

[craggy patrol]

renoa and veronica are so autopilot

watching jena rn ... 😴

[wooden eagle]

nothing worth watching on twitch only jena is on

[mild sky]

Draw > no dirge create > Draw > no dirge create > Draw >no dirge create > Draw > dirge create

[craggy patrol]

interactive

[main falcon]

high risk high reward team

only rei is sustain

[wary needle]

ig there just needs to be more punishing action mechanics

and counter dmg like the red thorn dog

and everything has a different shade of rage mechanic

punishes slower setups

imagine that dog reflected 100 dmg for each of those bullets

[craggy patrol]

thats stuff i wanna see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V0YKTTgE5o

not how someone draws his deck 3 times

magna and amir are such cool units

i wish ppl would try a bit more instead of dicksucking vero, mei, renoa etc

even luke, lucas combo would be more interesting to see

[main falcon]

in this economy?

trying out new characters?

[craggy patrol]

ppl like jena have enough units on a lvl to try shit out

obvsly it wont work if all the ressources go into every high tier character

[main falcon]

i mean he's trying new characters

kayron and magna

i've been wanting to try out lucas

but no resources

and gears

fucking hoyo slop gearing system is miserable

[wary needle]

part of me hopes it stays this way

i dont trust them with what they will cook

so might as well keep 2pc ATK% 2pc CD% as the optimal build for everyone

[south marsh]

I still find it funny they chose hoyo gear slop instead of so many years of refined version of e7 gear system

There are no loadouts in the game ffs

How did they forget something so simple

[lament isle]

seems like exec meddling

the hoyo gearing and HSR shit are the worst parts of the game

[south marsh]

That exec should get castrated and then fired now ⛈️

[peak torrent]

Kayron is busted

Why does he think he is bad

With ideal draw you can ramp up~7 futility turn 1 then he just has big multipliers forever

Also orlea is bad because the only retain synergy that exists right now is beryl

Although it might be less bad if you make the third unit with 0 card deck

[craggy patrol]

uh

blade dance

• vuln

there are definitely teams where orlea can do well and enable stuff but thats probably too rng for chaos

rins blade dance, tressa dagger factory

[peak torrent]

She’s missing that third retain unit

[sterile snow]

Not even upgrading units just gear bruh

[south marsh]

i wanna get this green planet maxed so i dont play yuki anymore

If i dont get mei lin after im done with khalipe ill max out of my not max duped owen

[hazy nebula]

Kayron e0 is bad compared to mei lin, renoa, Hugo, khalipe, Veronica if that's who you are comparing to

However, kayrons egos are pretty insane compared to the other characters

It's a way bigger power spike

Basically a whale unit, but he's really dun

Fun

I only have E1

Those units are just stronger out the gate

I feel like SG just locked a lot of his power behind dupes

Like his dupes basically make him an insane aoe and free damage machine

Playing E0 Vs E2 kayron is very different

E1 - more futility
E2 - more aoe damage
E3 - extend reach into the discard to exhaust with ego skill
E4 - free multiplicative damage buff
E5 - generic basic, neutral, unique card buff (all very very good)
E6 - vulnerability and weakness spam on enemy (more damage)

[wooden eagle]

i guess this week is going to be gear farming week

[hazy nebula]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChaosZeroN/comments/1p2upuz/whats_the_highest_multiplier_you_have_ever_gotten/

you can do things like this with E2 kayron + his partner

keep in mind that those hits are aoe

actually nvm

this guy doesnt have e0

e2*

let me find one with e2

thats just him with his partner and lots of futility

[peak torrent]

he's fine at e0

[hazy nebula]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChaosZeroNightmare/comments/1p03yzp/kayron_m3_black_hole_v_is_the_funniest_thing/

[peak torrent]

no he cannot one turn every phase on turn 1

[hazy nebula]

yeah hes fine e0

but im just saying that e0 and e2 is a huge difference

and im sure every ego after that is huge for him

[peak torrent]

but you can ramp first turn with an average deck and pretty much oneshot every phase after that

[hazy nebula]

i dont think any other character has such impactful egos like him

hes not as strong as the other well known carries

cause they are just stronger out the box

or dont really have a gimmick to play around

oh boy the e7 reddit resident is here in czn reddit

[peak torrent]

its insane he still plays

[sterile snow]

who is that

[hazy nebula]

basically some guy that sits in e7 reddit all day typing this "correct nerdy" responses to everyone

when i say all day, i literally mean all day

in literally every post, you will see him respond to at least 20 comments

[wooden eagle]

oh i thought it was a guy in this channel

[peak torrent]

someone who always manages to say something wrong or dumb

I have a comment from him like 3-5 years ago

in e7 reddit where he said something stupid too

[sterile snow]

https://tenor.com/view/kitasan-black-kitasan-umamusume-uma-musume-pretty-derby-and-heres-the-yapper-gif-12895719817624764806

[charred vortex]

jobless behavior

[peak torrent]

he's protecting us from the ai overlords

because he says misinformation so confidently the ai has no choice but to treat it as true

[craggy steeple]

bro fken 3 days of farming cred gone just by promoting

2 units from 50/50 to 50/60

[hazy nebula]

dont worry they are making it cheaper credits wise

[wary needle]

my understanding of the dev note is they will refund units spent on lvls only

not that its impossible but i wonder if they even have a function that tracks that

will c, itll be nice if its refund of all units

[wooden eagle]

its just math

[hazy nebula]

its 80% cheaper from 50->60

[wary needle]

man they updated stove but didnt remove the auto youtube bs

[wooden eagle]

they deserve trucks

[wary needle]

do they not know they get no money from view botting like that

[split cipher]

they said exp will be refunded they didnt say shit about gold which is the main issue

[wary needle]

pause

exp is news to me

thought it was unit refund + 80% fix

[split cipher]

exp will go from 100% req to 20%

no gold mentioned

if it remains 500k per 60 promotion it still will be as fucked as it was

anyone knows when this update is online im still waiting

[wooden eagle]

For Level 60 Combatants

Previous Unit Consumption: 1,080,000 >>> Updated Unit Consumption: 216,000

For Level 60 Partners

Previous Unit Consumption: 519,000 >>> Updated Unit Consumption: 103,800

All Units already consumed for Agent leveling will be fully refunded via in-game mail after the 12/3 (Wed) update.
If the schedule changes, we will inform you through a separate notice.

guys,,

i dont get how you miss this

its right under it

[split cipher]

12/3 is 10 days from now

[wooden eagle]

All Units already consumed for Agent leveling will be fully refunded via in-game mail

this too

[uncut apex]

[craggy steeple]

oh, w

now to make auto less of a fken chore

what do they get from limiting it to only 3 times per run dawg, do they track apm to show to their stakeholders or smth

[charred vortex]

when patch out

[wary needle]

yea so going all in on combatant lvling is the play

[wooden eagle]

it doesnt matter what you do

you spend now, you get the difference on patch day

you dont spend now, you keep the difference on patch day

i'm gonna go gear farm because I already promoted who I wanted

[wary needle]

ah tru, if already promoted

[wary needle]

i only have 2 double crit pieces

[sterile snow]

I'm out of the gear upgrade mats

[lament isle]

Should I go for Hugo or some dupes? I guess Hugo rationally even though I want to use boobs team for green

[charred vortex]

luke is ass

not worth

just get new character

[craggy steeple]

he didnt state that he'd go for luke, weebow

[charred vortex]

let him known

xdd

[craggy steeple]

i'm split between hugo, rin and the op shield chick

rin if i'm not a meta cuck

wish i didnt get orlea and magna

[sterile snow]

u filthy whales already at 300 pulls

[lament isle]

The thing about rin or renoa is I'm going for the bondage miko and she's probably purple

I guess I'll wait until official announcement first who knows they might defy expectations

Oh fuck just realized I forgor the weekly om

Fuck that judas fight

[craggy steeple]

fuck

i think i forgot to do that last week

[hazy nebula]

gg

reroll account

[sweet remnant]

im at 280 f2p, youre just slackin

[sterile snow]

i do have 275

but i spent 70 to get luke's partner

🤮

[sweet remnant]

i hope partners stay relatively weak like they all are now

so i never have to roll any of them

[sterile snow]

all the ones that came at the start are bis tho

only yukis is replaceable

[sweet remnant]

bis but not by very much

except a few cases

[lament isle]

bis but not by very much is a desirable balance for gacha partners to me

[hazy nebula]

i still think that they should have went with e7

🥱

1 banner

has both partners and characters

it just feels shit that you have to pick between the 2

you get 4* and 3* partners from character summons

but you have to specifically chase 5*

[lament isle]

E7 partners are crazy though and sometimes you need full uncap

I think I'm alright with partners being fully ignorable if they keep it that way

[hazy nebula]

you dont need +30 in e7

90% of the time

you can just run a +15

[lament isle]

The 10% of the time happens to be the last few months

[hazy nebula]

i feel like the partner system wasnt very thought out

[sweet remnant]

this game entirely feels not too well thought out

but its still fun

[hazy nebula]

i never understood the purpose of making the players think about wanting the partner or not

i guess its to milk the whales

partners spice up the gameplay more than make the gameplay easy

so its weird to lock that behind "forcing" you to pull on it

cause they know for sure that players will priotize characters over partners

thats a given unless you are actually brain dead

like kayrons partner bria

has an interesting ability that exhausts all status and curse cards from the discard

which is a very interesting ability

[lament isle]

Games like HSR and Wuwa had been successfully making their players brain dead - I think by default people think to pull their 'signature' along with new characters now

Maybe the execs think they can do the same here in czn

But yeah as we established they just didn't think this through

[split cipher]

[lament isle]

Is Veronica brrrroken?

[hazy nebula]

most balanced support

[mild sky]

i still member when lac said she was bad cause apparently 100% dps uptime in a rng card game is bad and selena is better

[lament isle]

That's when I know she's broken

[wary needle]

anyone got the link to the leak congregazte site?

[hazy nebula]

what leak

they should add a count for the hand

5/10 if you have 5 cards

for the tressa hugo strategy you want to keep hugo at 4 or 5 hunt

sometimes you can easily hit 10 card count

[wary needle]

foudn it https://rentry.co/f2pbtw

its like 8 characters with their kit no numbers lol

somehow all but not chizuru and the other girl

[hazy nebula]

oh

someone made a website just for leaks icant

[wary needle]

yea lol

its weird cus none r on reddit

[lament isle]

Czn reddit is a wild wild west

No mods

[wooden eagle]

good

[hazy nebula]

they have more important things to do than take care of little kids on a random ass thread

plus, their own stove forum is where they listen to things

[lament isle]

How dare you say that about Xerox

[hazy nebula]

i said nothing

🙊

[south marsh]

bro did not read

[hazy nebula]

whirlpool isnt that bad!!!!

good against the dog summoner for free ap

[lament isle]

Yeah it's the other around om

[lament isle]

For chaos runs themselves it really isn't that bad

[south marsh]

But the dmg is ass might as well get dps card and 1 shot dogs

[hazy nebula]

im trying to do some whirlpool coping

[south marsh]

I hate whirlpool with a passion , I don't want my healer support to do dmg

Its also a epiphany magnet that needs to be disintegrated instantly

[main falcon]

Fr

Why does whirlpool always get divine epi

[lament isle]

It's kinda liberating pushing high level chaos without the need to save data because yours is good enough

Just take the monster skills...

[wooden eagle]

this is better than what I thought it would be

and i had flash blade 2 vuln

and morale

[south marsh]

i just got this crap last battle and their was another battle right after it with onyl 1 path

https://tenor.com/view/he-cant-keep-getting-away-with-it-fed-up-done-upset-angry-gif-15272555

yuki is just so incompatible with this game draw system , i have 3 cards for drawing attack skills but none cant work until iget it shuffled

its bad draw design making yuki even more worse

[wooden eagle]

continuously having better and more fun runs with yuki

while baj gets worse and worse

[south marsh]

I HAVE 3 FKING ATtACK CARD DRAWS THAT DOnt WORK , CANT FORCE A SHUFFLE AND GET WASTED , HOW IS THIS SUPPOSE TO BE FUN

SHE is just bad because of how the game works

[wooden eagle]

what lab 0 level are you at btw

so I can start comparing

[south marsh]

i have done all but for yuki runs its just the green planet

rin slaps lab 0 super hard

[wooden eagle]

what tier in green planet

[south marsh]

this is tier 12

[wooden eagle]

okay

i'll let you know how I go when I hit tier 12 in lab 0 then

[south marsh]

but after difficulty 10 its base 11 to 13 (by modifiers) so thats the max you can get

[wooden eagle]

okay

[south marsh]

illusion of choice

[wooden eagle]

unluck

[craggy steeple]

can they actually make the EP effects for each be good in certain teams/decks instead of just being there to fill up the quota omgbruh

[south marsh]

Remove all resolve, dmg reduction and next epiphanies

Also agony

[wooden eagle]

i'd choose damage reduction i need the mitigation

[south marsh]

Just get fortitude then

Dmg reduction is a shittier version of fortitude

[wooden eagle]

gotta make do with what choices I got in that example

[craggy steeple]

is magna & orlea bad

anyone maining them?

[wooden eagle]

i used orlea a bit before yuki came out

but not at high level dungeons

she's fun but it takes a lot to play

i think in general your runs will be longer if you try to play her

[craggy steeple]

[wooden eagle]

she just gets a lot of cards

so at the start you're trying to figure out what the right moves are based on your team

so theres a lot of thinking

but eventually you'll figure out what to cut and what not

orlea + beryl seems to work fine enough

but i think orlea can fit in a lot of teams just cause of her variety

[south marsh]

ok i just discovered i got 300 points, do i use this ? it looks shit because it gets cancelled by any other combatant card

its not exclusively attack card but any card or maybe its wrong translation

feels too restrictive even rin can do her gimmick after ally skills

[fast lodge]

huh? subdue would shuffle her attacks back into drawpile unless you used them all already

[south marsh]

it did shuffle which was strange it didnt do that in my last run and i got the no available card to draw notification , i dont get how that didint work last time

[fast lodge]

yeah ig you used all of them in that turn so it failed, happened to me before

which is why its nice to dupe her attacks

[south marsh]

i guess that what happen last time because all my cards were on the used pile and it only does so if they are in discard pile, but still lillian and attack skill should work similliarly

[craggy steeple]

brother

went from full hp to dying in 1 turn

yeh im ded

mfer

giga renoa run as well

[craggy steeple]

dam stage 7 judas huge jump in diff anyone managed to max diff him?

[wary needle]

built beryl so i really want her

[wary needle]

yea i dont like the restriction

its pretty goated the limited charcs weapon goss in the shop on the banner so ill just save for that

[south marsh]

Yeah ill wait for the new void char sig could be good

[ionic stream]

doujin screencap as card art

💀

[fast lodge]

[craggy steeple]

just noticed the pulling animation

that's like, textbook ai animation

[ionic stream]

can i just not do anything if i get link crash

how pointless that the run keeps going then if its no use

[peak torrent]

yep u can maybe beat the fight

thats the only purpose it has

[ionic stream]

ok so if it happens not at the end you might as well just ltg

[peak torrent]

yep

[south marsh]

All 20 stress for 2 remove is so good but

Its too much of demerit

You either snowball or get fked by all crashing out

[sweet remnant]

it is so immensely triggering when i have a negative status card in hand and the AI decides to exhaust rally instead

like, I don't want to play every round of fucking material grinding please stop making me feel like I have to

[sweet remnant]

it actually rigged itself into losing

[short rune]

[sterile snow]

hes usable now

[short rune]

implying i have the resources to build him

[sterile snow]

next week fo sho

[south marsh]

E2 for existing is better then new units unless you lack veronica

Kinda wished i never got kayron or reona i aint building other void units

[sweet remnant]

i'm guessing since i don't have veronica she is the only real choice for my 300 standard guarantee

[south marsh]

Yes im in the same ⛵

[sweet remnant]

unless i get her in the next 20 pulls

not very likely to happen

[south marsh]

Im also at pity after 20 pulls

Hopefully its a dupe or any of the red chars

[hazy nebula]

wait...

when you get the cant rest

do you get more rest spots?

[wary needle]

gotta count em out

[wary needle]

word by mouth but i also learned today add 8 elites is potentially an int for deck building

the add elite modifier in general sabotages nodes including unindentified

i always assumed it converts normal battles to elite battles

[hazy nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-disrespect-angry-slam-mad-pissed-gif-11351877

it saved a sphere

also i wish it was the 7 cost aoe instead of 3

[wary needle]

yea copyign divines is

it looks like had u done a tier 15 it would have saved

[hazy nebula]

that one was from difficulty 8

t11

yeah if i did a harder one it would probably have saved

[wary needle]

probably idk how it maths

good enoug htho good build

[hazy nebula]

cause it basically saved everything besides but added a sphere

[wary needle]

50 points more, t15 being 170 cap. should be simply how it works

finding a t14 map is abysmal tho holy

ppl say it takes 500 points, i spent 3k to find one

so once you get it, you kinda have to roll with whatever modifier u get. Its easy but man playing with discard + fortitude was unfun

[sweet remnant]

I could do worse

I believe this is best epiphany for her stupid dagger spam build anyway

[lament isle]

I haven't found anything above t13

With nightmare that's 160 cap

Maybe you need difficulty 11 for t15?

[uncut apex]

did they roll back exp cards?

[sterile snow]

booba

[hazy nebula]

what do you mean

are you talking about the reduction in credits for level 50->60?

[sweet remnant]

if only I got a dupe of this

what a great card

[short rune]

[main falcon]

Woah insane

[lament isle]

🦆 🚬

[wooden eagle]

heh

[craggy steeple]

yo i cant get past this judas mf at all after diff 6

[hazy nebula]

cocked

judas gets so stupid

i think you can cheese him with tressa if you stack enough agony on him

so that phase 2 just instantly dies

[lament isle]

Hmm I should try that

I hate that fight so much

[main falcon]

Secret tech vs him if you take too many turns is Wanderer of the Void

[wary needle]

They get boss transitions right but some how fucked basin

its the exact opposite of hsr

[split cipher]

theres only one thing that helps me not hate judas fight and thats rewards

looks pretty much the same to me only thing that matters is that molagora thingy

difficulty 8 isnt horrible but 9 is a fuckfest onward

and diff 7 spike is real but 8 is semi similar in term of power

[main falcon]

Started an alt account (lvl21) in czn and it's already better than my main acc roster

my main is cursed af

[south marsh]

I just grief my 6 draw and 4 ap a turn with 6perma fortitude mika

Because i didn't bother calculating it

It was up by 10 points only

[split cipher]

one week left for game to have calculator in game

[south marsh]

That was an immortal mika

Which kinda invalidates her existence as a healer but i would have never needed another mika again

Legendary fumble

[lament isle]

Can't wait to finally build other characters

[lament isle]

1 out of 3 downloads still daily login is actually kinda goodge

Very good even

[main falcon]

How many of those are for rerolling i wonder

[lament isle]

Then it looks even better because rerollers are not daily logging in

[south marsh]

Their response has been very good in only 30 days

So even with so many flaws its stil worth sticking to this game

[south marsh]

So what do we get in mail

[lament isle]

None. Send trucks

[sterile snow]

owen the compensation goat

[lament isle]

They fucked up the story so much if not the figure can be higher

A few of my friends did not get stuck in because of the story

But they still play hoyo games ..

[sweet remnant]

the story of this game is the most mid of any gacha i've ever played

are your friends nitpicky

[main falcon]

Story players omgBruh

Gacha is not the genre for that

[sweet remnant]

i like a good story too

genshin has good storytelling

but this games story is like

a really uninspired version of honkai impact

[south marsh]

Majority of things in the game have been redone

Rewrite mess is always bad

It will probably have a wuwa tier story even if it gets better from the trash start

Enough for kr and hoyo story slop enjoyers

[lament isle]

He has a prejudice against Korean devs idk why

But yeah he's more of a story gamer less tryhard

He also plays like 7 gachas so he's autistic in a different form than mine

Phew diff 11 done, idk how people found it easy it certainly isn't that easy for me

[lament isle]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-hes-right-you-know-correct-true-right-gif-27174315

[sweet remnant]

your friend sounds lost

poor guy

[south marsh]

7 gachas

[main falcon]

i can't believe people like that actually exists

3 gachas for me is already miserable

i just have 2 rn

[wooden eagle]

just depends on what they do in the gacha

skoomah said he's a story whore

so its not hard to just round robin them

get your 10 hours of story and whatever gameplay and then revisit in 6 months as you hop to the next

[lament isle]

7 was at peak, i think he plays 5 atm and yeah not all are played at the same level of commitment

he just quit HSR, I celebrated

[south marsh]

He quit the worst one

[lament isle]

he couldn't handle shaoji's honkaiwank writing

but he still shills genshin

somehow I just realized I haven't seen ch 5 epilogue, that was pretty cool, I assumed that was the OG time loop idea

hopefully the rewrite is along that line

[craggy steeple]

2 hoyo gachas = 4 gachas, maybe more with how much they bloat

never gon get a good experience from them with how much people eat their shit up

[south marsh]

Even their games performance gets worse, the performance issues from zzz updates i got made the bike boss unplayable

[peak torrent]

but hoyo story is sloppa

[south marsh]

I only played zzz because it had skip

But i completed all the tv content before tv was removed that shit was so ass

[hazy nebula]

zzz

[wary needle]

family head is pretty much the same punching bag

easier for ppl tht can do 15k dmg setups on its heal turn

[wary needle]

forgot the crab has discard and deck bloat abilities nvm its easiers

[lament isle]

I still don't know how his slip thingy works

[main falcon]

If he does the slippery thing he discards a random card when you attack him

[hazy nebula]

bye bye cards

[lament isle]

Damn the new boss got hands

Still can't beat LV 9

Maybe I need the one skill that stops the count to stop the healing

Luckily it's not that important

[hazy nebula]

i havent even tried the first boss yet

gonna over level it 🙊

[craggy steeple]

holy shit i cant do past lvl 5 judas at all

[south marsh]

You need haru for it or tanky supports

Raising supports isn't bad because hp and def effects everyone

[craggy steeple]

damn haru act good?

I went max def alrd hp doesnt scale anything right?

[lament isle]

Level 6 aka the maximum level that gives you gems are pretty ez

Max level is cancer

[south marsh]

Haru has pulverize which does extra multiplicative dmg to shields on anchor

Haru is ideal for judas

Less action high single target dmg

Haru in general is super strong single target, she is bad in lab because it asks for multi hit

[lament isle]

Yeah mei Lin is horrible for Judas because she wastes a lot of turn

[south marsh]

4th and 5th slot gets hp% which at +5 is alot of hp

[hazy nebula]

why does the testicles room exist

its the worst one

[lament isle]

Which kinda explains why people are having trouble with Judas cos a lot of people are getting Mei Lin up first

[hazy nebula]

maybe on par with that shitty ghost event

[wooden eagle]

am I going to have to make an anti shield team

[south marsh]

I was surprised to see mei lin to be the most invested unit by the whole community

I dont even have her

[south marsh]

Not really just use any dps with tanky supports or haru it, you can also a void wandered deck specially for judas

[wooden eagle]

dont have haru

i'll just try it with my yuki team and see how it goes

[south marsh]

Dont try with yuki

Smashing your head in a wall is better then judas with yuki

[craggy steeple]

i'm just gonna spam lvl 5 judas for now

maybe try again once they give refund

[lament isle]

Jena shilled her hard I think, and tbf when one sees 'give passion weakness' it's easy to immediately think to use her as a swiss knife

[hazy nebula]

ah 🦆 🚬

guy ate my upgrade too

[craggy steeple]

yo that's fucked

boss gets the buff if you spam memory enroachment shit right?

[hazy nebula]

no its just random

a random chance

[craggy steeple]

rip

[hazy nebula]

memory enroachment is only for the memory area

o7

guy was hitting me for 1200 each turn

[craggy steeple]

guess you just gotta lube it up if the game decides to pull this shit

[hazy nebula]

yeah you just gotta accept the fact your are dead if you cant beat the dps race

[fast lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJlHbp76R9k

[hazy nebula]

GOONED

[fast lodge]

oh shes NOT a striker

[lament isle]

Clever justification for her bondage

[south marsh]

No mei lin probably is the best dps as she can ravage any enemy + good single target

[craggy steeple]

dam, got a textbook renoa

[craggy steeple]

giga ap

[main falcon]

I hate that the AP decrease doesnt activate when you healed at full health

[south marsh]

Well their 2 keywords for it recover or on heal (tressa upgrade ),

[craggy steeple]

Brother

Was giga drawing everything as well with that every 3 draw 1 ap shi, still cant win

[hazy nebula]

unlucky mods

[lament isle]

Yeah I just rerolled until I got virtually no modifiers

[hazy nebula]

i think im the kayron guy now huh

e2 kayron

https://tenor.com/view/oooo-ahoklollmao-gif-8289321355786879775

1 more kayron and hes got reach into the graveyard

https://tenor.com/view/oooo-ahoklollmao-gif-8289321355786879775

[mild sky]

e2 helps his shitty early game too

[hazy nebula]

hesright

[lament isle]

will be replaced by chizuru

[lament isle]

Done agane

[lament isle]

That skill that blocks countdown is super important

[hazy nebula]

hes him

[hazy nebula]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChaosZeroNightmare/comments/1p7622k/kr_players_are_mad_at_chizuru_now/

🤏

cant hold a talisman

[lament isle]

I think they gave up brigading though

The only thing they've achieved is showing to the world that they DO have small dicks

[hazy nebula]

might need to make characters with amputated hands at this rate

[fast lodge]

[lament isle]

Chizuru was a nice try, shouldn't have given her a background story

Just suck commanders cock from the get go

[fast lodge]

it just the steam running out, the game made it revenue in other regions that think they're being overly silly at this point lol

[lament isle]

Surprisingly doing decent in JP too

[hazy nebula]

it is

[lament isle]

Yeah it's just their KR internal drama

[charred vortex]

JP likes CZN

Kr still act like a bunch of little bitches

[lament isle]

I trawled JP Twitter and there's quite a few glazers

I think it's bigger than E7 at least

And for the ones that write about drama in Japanese, Twitter has this neat new feature that shows location, guess where they're from

[serene sand]

Never seen Korean happy with a game

E7 had the same thing

[lament isle]

Their society is cooked

[ionic stream]

and nia e6

im happy

my most wanted unit

[south marsh]

I slightly invested on nia but i dont need her

Whats sr rate up on bondage samurai

[lament isle]

Don't think we have info yet

[thin gate]

some people say they adding adel as 4*

w chizuru

[south marsh]

I have a feeling cassius is very likely to be rate up this season and maybe amir as well

[wooden eagle]

amir is my durable waifu

so I am okay with that

[south marsh]

Amir max dupe is cracked

[main falcon]

i need rei she's unusable without E2

[south marsh]

I also have e1 rei

Its aight i always use mika

[sterile snow]

make it rei so I can get e6

[wooden eagle]

this BITCH REI

has continuously

shoveled policies to me

[hazy nebula]

rei desu

[wary needle]

extra attacks not removing void stacks is so booty. atk card spam meta

was so close

why is lvl 10 mamory fragments not 100% 3 drops

[craggy steeple]

bro everyone's getting last boss buffed

is higher diff higher chance of the last boss getting that bs buffed

[wary needle]

its 100% mutated difficulty 9 onwards

[craggy steeple]

oh, well shit

[hazy nebula]

yeah cause tenacity damage is based off the cost of the card

tressa hugo does literally 0 tenacity damage

[craggy steeple]

is it harder to clear with meilin considering she's consistent but dont really deal that much damage

or am i js running her like ass

[hazy nebula]

mei lin does the most damage by far

shes basically t0 character

[wary needle]

oh i forgot about that. This god epiph is just a waste of points for that then

[hazy nebula]

every other dps is t1 and below

[craggy steeple]

hmm

[wary needle]

bruh, isnt it not fully random? why did they put that epiphany on that card, they r trollin hard

[hazy nebula]

the only problem with mei lin is that you need to hit the right epiphanies

2-3 move

1-2 kicks with hit passion

and then veronica with 321987312973 draw cards

[craggy steeple]

ok she's inconsistent-ish

renoa better to get consistent runs?

[hazy nebula]

she should be more consistent

but mei lin has way higher potential if you land the epiphanies

[wary needle]

i clear fine without the op kick but yea its a night n day difference if u do have that

[craggy steeple]

do u clear fine without the move card tho

got unlucky and 3 times in a row that card never showed up

[wary needle]

yea needed that for the distort. 9 bosses

[craggy steeple]

wish there's an ep reroll

[hazy nebula]

you can get away with create

[craggy steeple]

hopefully they add

[wary needle]

i havnt tried dif 11 on her yet. Im waiting after the patch, theres too many bugs in this patch

[hazy nebula]

but move is way better than create

[wary needle]

if u manage a copy before epiphany and then get create + draw its jank but can be good too

im not the only one tht gets a frozen screen when i rewind time sometimes right?

[short rune]

It's buggy

I've had it error out for me once

[craggy steeple]

yall use the rewind? i either get fucked enough that rewind dont matter or just dont need it

[wary needle]

yea its actually unplayable. ill wait till they fix

[short rune]

I do it if i know the draw card is giga and i can combo it if i played my hands differently earlier

Saved some runs for me ngl

[wary needle]

its semi abuse-able too, when u use skills in a different order, the seed of critting/link break release odds change

[craggy steeple]

hm, well tbf I havent really touched high diff that much

[short rune]

I've just been sitting at lvl 80 and rerolling until i get 13/14 with modifiers and nightmare on top of that

Easier to grind for save data imo

Compared to just running the highest difficulty and getting around equal

[wary needle]

my oshi going to try czn

[hazy nebula]

i guess its another loss

[wary needle]

[main falcon]

Just dont let him take the turn

[craggy steeple]

jebus

[south marsh]

If your grinding epiphs then just do 8

Above 8 isnt worth the hassle bad early draw on boss can get you screwed

[wary needle]

ill try the 100% copy strat next week

nothing special, u just delete all the non epiphany unique cards of other characters so the copy has fewer options to randomly choose from

and increase the chance of god epiphanies, if u get any, to land on the charc youre building

[lament isle]

logically it makes sense

[main falcon]

9 and 10 are pretty doable too

11 is one time thing or if you just want a challenge

[wooden eagle]

i am ready to gamble on the 50:50 next week

[lament isle]

I am in the same situation

But imma brute force

[wooden eagle]

I kinda wanna pull for another yuki but its okay

i'll wait

[lament isle]

I'm gonna bust all my loads for sereniel 🙏

[wooden eagle]

could just wait even longer

[lament isle]

Well imma still get chizuru

If I'm unlucky I'm going to solve it in a convenient manner

[south marsh]

haru coded boss

i have only 1 haru run on chaos and it can clear this

4.7k crit on anchor

[south marsh]

isnt it better to save for bondage girl

i also have pity in 13 pulls

[wooden eagle]

yeah it probably is

[south marsh]

ill keep pull bondage girl until one of the Sr is dupe 6

[wooden eagle]

even if I did get her I'd have to waste a week of resources to get her up

[south marsh]

my nia got dupe 6 so quickly my lucas is still dupe 2

[wooden eagle]

my nia is 4 my lucas is 6

[south marsh]

nia s6 is her garbage ass decibel extra attack mechanic

healing but it does no dmg so the heal is ass

[craggy steeple]

there's 0 reason to hoard this right

[fast lodge]

yeah

they'll probably release trauma episodes one at a time anyway so you just buy it when one drops

[charred vortex]

when is the update

for all mats refund and shit

[fast lodge]

dec 3rd with the new banner I believe

[charred vortex]

ok

[hazy nebula]

Does weebo even know what we are getting refunded

Or is he making things up in his mind

[charred vortex]

[lament isle]

I'm just draining stam until 3 dec

[wooden eagle]

i dont even bother doing all my chaos runs to max the season weekly

i'll play more again if I decide to get new girl

[charred vortex]

or u can skip

[wooden eagle]

yes that is what the keyword 'if' means

[charred vortex]

IF doesn't exist in my vocabulary because lacari stole it from mme

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1013614997475168348/1098736603771445341/forsen-head.gif

[lament isle]

Yeah I'm gonna run chaos again when I got my refunds and I'm building new characters again

I still need to lv 10 regular chaos tbf but I'll leave it when im in the washroom at work

After the cash refund comes in though...

[south marsh]

Exams over, weekly completed, basin completed

I need a better rin with 100% dmg epiphany on annihilation from season codex

[lament isle]

Haven't done Judas again this week

[sterile snow]

just do the other boss

autoable

[south marsh]

How are you guys skipping judas its for both crit nodes + final potential nodes

[sterile snow]

you mean playing the game? 🤮

[lament isle]

Don't think I have final potential up on anyone except veronica

Yeah I should do the fight but it's just so

[sweet remnant]

what mats do i need for new character?

[charred vortex]

void

and sonic

[sweet remnant]

ty

[south marsh]

You need high attack to get final potential vulture ejection buff

I need to go attack set to reach 700 attack

[charred vortex]

https://chaoszeronightmare.onstove.com/en

[fast lodge]

I heared its bait and def stacking is better

[south marsh]

Ill be focusing def only difference is qttack set instead of seth scarb

700 is easy without any attack%

[raven dove]

All dmg skills have attack scailing

[wary needle]

[short rune]

https://youtu.be/gGpCRaf3plo?si=IVjYKj3AZb-2xrLy

2 empty deck characters is crazy wtf

[wary needle]

even has final boss gear

think its impossible to get that unless u dont unlock the first talent

otherwise bricked 😔

whaaat no way

[hazy nebula]

🥀

[fast lodge]

Jena gana crash out

Such a fkin fumble scrapping her

[hazy nebula]

they shouldnt even have partners

all partners and combatants should have been playable

[wary needle]

couldve just had partners be furries only

[remote pagoda]

she looks the coolest out of every character in the game

[wooden eagle]

i bet they're just going to make them all combatants/partners eventually

or figure out which partners are the most popular and then turn them (back) into combatants

[woeful forge]

Need skip feature

[short rune]

Damn they really have a website dedicated to the leaked stuff so far

[lament isle]

i have a feeling those are old wip stuff

we don't even have leak to chizuru kit

[short rune]

Yeah probably going to change a lot of stuff

And people are going to hold sg accountable for that when they eventually do change them

[lament isle]

el clasico gacher players

[lament isle]

uh do you guys face a bug where you kill the MoC enemy at turn 12 but they don't count

weird shit

dogshit gamemode

[wooden eagle]

yeah I remember hearing that depending on how they die on turn 12 it wont count

like if they die by agony or something

[lament isle]

they died by an ult and somehow it didn't count lol

[wooden eagle]

[short rune]

the way the count turns in that mode is absolute dogshit

[lament isle]

ok i finished the turn before now so no chance of getting screwed

fucking hoyoslop game mode

[short rune]

the best part is they somehow they copied it wrong

[lament isle]

yeah they are even less generous with the turn count

screwed up dots and counter characters

it's crazy how bad my void characters are

chizuru save me

[hazy nebula]

yeah thats cause you ended the turn

makes sense to me

[lament isle]

it does in a sense that i can justify why they are counting that way, i don't think they should've done that though

when HSR already did it better

[hazy nebula]

i get what you mean

there should be end of turn actions before your actual turn rolls over

[short rune]

i just brute forced haru for the 2nd side

that ap gen haru build is too strong

[peak torrent]

Just don’t use the bad units

I mean technically they’re still fine if u build giga decks

[lament isle]

basically meilin/vero carries the 2nd half hard

[short rune]

I have neither

[peak torrent]

Honestly it shouldn’t be too bad as long as u got gear on everyone and are using reasonably good units

Ppl are clearing with yuki

[lament isle]

yuki is good here tbh

[short rune]

i mean 1st team enemies are really built for her tho

[peak torrent]

And her multis is not great

[short rune]

so ofc she'll do great

[lament isle]

i mean i didn't take a lot of time it did piss me off that an ult at turn 12 didn't count as finishing by turn 12 somehow

what the fuck was that

might have been a bug

[short rune]

also just because content isn't that hard/ clearable doesn't make it any less dogshit

[peak torrent]

Yep sg copied other games but didn’t understand why they were that way in other games

El Classico

[lament isle]

i mean dot/counter/vero bullets i (kinda) understand if they don't count

ult?

soft turn count endgames like the event bosses are much better

well not really soft, but enrage mechanics

[hazy nebula]

man this thing is so cool

lets add something to stall out turns on a mode that wants you to unga bunga the enemy

[wooden eagle]

one appeasement 10 pull is enough for me to not give a shit about that mode

so i just dont bother

[lament isle]

What does he mean by this?

[hazy nebula]

😉

you already know

[hazy nebula]

🤏

[mild sky]

waiting for them to release the first action count character

[main falcon]

Countdown?

[mild sky]

yeah the action count u do each card

[south marsh]

Yes its 30% attack scaling for def based dmg

For the last 3 exploration levels you need to get rare events and their equipment

[fast lodge]

fuck me they gata add more sources of this shit

[wary needle]

should be coming too

in the chaos shop

[south marsh]

Dont buy the white rarity enhance material you get an endless supply of it

[remote pagoda]

artifact and stuff farming should have a skip indeed, all farming nodes should

the game already takes too fucking long in the chaos dungeons

and you can't even auto the artifact max difficulty nodes

cus the boss there hits you for half your HP even if you have like 1800 hp

[wooden eagle]

yeah

at the very least they should have an extra objective you can fill to unlock sweep or something

[lament isle]

bruh fuck judas I still couldn't finish the last stage lol

[south marsh]

You need haru for him or supa tanky supports

Its either tank a shit ton to spam cards or ravage the boss and spam cards

[lament isle]

i think i need mika with a lot of the cards that blocks turn count

[south marsh]

You need a fk load of defense to tank him later difficulty

He does like 600 to 900 dmg in next difficulty

Playing safe with anchor makes it super easy on haru

[sterile snow]

Tressa prob gonna be easiet method

actually so braindead to set up

[south marsh]

No, he hard counters action spamming unless your using wanderer of the void

[sterile snow]

Yeah ofc

you haven't seen tressa clears

[south marsh]

I probably havent rally does more then good enough job

[wary needle]

having a full team of lvl 60s unsurprisingly helps

[wooden eagle]

hmm

new battle pass soon

do I evne bother accomplishing these missions

[lament isle]

if you have time ig

pull currency wise theres barely anything

[wooden eagle]

i mean more

do the missions reset with the new bp

or do they get used up if I complete them now and then the BP refreshes

also potential farming is so ass it takes so many materials

[lament isle]

if they dont the koreans will make sure they do

[south marsh]

I got a reona dupe... there is like 2\11 chars i dont want and i somehow still get them unlucky

[lament isle]

i don't really have a lot of things to do in this game (until cash stimulus + chizuru), i guess i should bring chrono ark for my commute instead

i actually want sereniel more SG please

[craggy steeple]

i gave in

i'm a wwm

spent 60 pulls on standard

got rei on selector

*rin

and then khalipe on my last pity

[south marsh]

Thats a w