Chaos Zero Nightmare

[charred vortex]

[south marsh]

The problem with playing yuki with khalpie is replacing her with cassius will only make the team far better

300 stam to unlock one potential node

[sharp patrol]

They need to address the gold problem

Can't do shit

[charred vortex]

yeah

I did say unit problem in their suggestion

u could write suggestion aka feed back from customer support in your account setting

[south marsh]

Bro wtf is this debuff man this is way too much of a negative to even bother with

lost my first run because i had 6 cards wasted by this debuff

[raven dove]

also prob the best forbidden card tbh

some of the other ones for Rin are poop

[sweet remnant]

thanks i hate it

haru dupe from standard?

do limited go straight to standard in this game?

another renoa doop too...

[remote pagoda]

there is no limiteds, so yes

[sweet remnant]

gachas getting less greedy

[remote pagoda]

not really

they added a 50 50 system of which is not present in epic 7

this is a epic 7 gacha system but hoyofied

[sweet remnant]

that's too bad then

i never played epic 7

[hazy nebula]

There is 5050 in e7

But it's for artifacts

Not the characters

Also in e7 it's only 1 banner

Not split banner

But you can easily buy the artifact from the shop

[uncut apex]

finally

[raven dove]

why they make the same thing but worse

[hazy nebula]

gotta have TRASH equipment

to make other equipment good

[fast lodge]

when is additive when is multiplicative

u gata guess

[hazy nebula]

• is additive

no + is multiplicative

but they are noob devs and somehow got it mixed up

[wooden eagle]

'+damage' versus 'damage by'.
but the real answer is you do have to guess until they've finally fixed all their localization issues

[short rune]

i think it actually depends on the gear because the localization is so bad

[hazy nebula]

they are using JP translations as the real translations

so you could always confirm it by reading the JP translations

[short rune]

apparently the purple gear with the +35% on drawing ur own atk card is multiplicative

[hazy nebula]

(learn some japanese)

[short rune]

while this is additive

which is also +

[wooden eagle]

damn then this is great

glad I got it

[short rune]

yeah i didn't get it since i thought it was just less

[wooden eagle]

well I got it because it said attack card(s)

so even if it was additive it would have been more if you've got good card draw

[short rune]

i just thought for yuki, u kinda wanna draw ur own atk cards anyways

[wooden eagle]

oh though I guess replica core is still better in that case

i guess the only problem is that I have to specifically card draw on yuki for chimeranite to proc

[short rune]

it does say "by an ability"

maybe as long as u draw her card

by any ability

it's fine?

[wooden eagle]

but does that mean draw by an ability (from the equipment holder) or anyone in the party

[short rune]

if they buff yuki hopefully it's allowing inspiration stacking instead of just raw numbers

imagine stacking hits on iceberg cleave

[hazy nebula]

idk but some yuki copers said shes not bad

IF

you get her epiphanies

lets just roll the dice to hope you get her epiphanies

or you die

[short rune]

like trickery stike is so useless apart from 1-2 epiphanies

if u make her able to stack inspiration, all of it would have use

and comboing prepare to subdue with her ult would be so good too

almost

[hazy nebula]

holy

this guy invested 2 weeks of mat into her

hes the yuki guy

[fast lodge]

almost a real unit

[short rune]

might've bricked my acc

but who cares

[fast lodge]

its ok I did too

[wooden eagle]

i also am a yuki main

dont care if shes mid

aoe is fun

card draw is fun

[hazy nebula]

the problem with yuki for me

[short rune]

[hazy nebula]

is that i cant clear the floor boss

all the other mobs are killable

but not the floor boss

[sterile snow]

is it still nia veronica

[hazy nebula]

a lot of people say nia for the draw and selective draw

[sterile snow]

I mean the one time I tried her I was able to draw out and use all attack cards in one turn

[hazy nebula]

and 3rd can be anything really

[short rune]

i've been using cassius and mika, but might switch to cassius and rin

[hazy nebula]

but most people say veronica

[short rune]

no veronica

[wooden eagle]

i use nia rei i ahve no veronica

[short rune]

i just don't have resources to build nia rn

i got her so late

[wooden eagle]

my nia has nothing on her

[hazy nebula]

nia is unplayble

if you dont have e1

[short rune]

like my first copy was literally in this banner

[hazy nebula]

cause e1 makes her search card 0 cost

otherwise its 1 ap

[wooden eagle]

nia's curiosity isnt even the best one

adagio is the best one for yuki

[sterile snow]

Honestly Veronica aoe surprised me more than yuki I crit 1.1k with giant ballista

yuki felt low but ig a lot of attacks

[short rune]

im a cassius believer

[hazy nebula]

nias curiousity is really powerful

[short rune]

pop eyed popper -> full house

[hazy nebula]

scrying from mtg

[fast lodge]

joker is so goated

[hazy nebula]

cassius is really good too

especially if you manage to get the fate

for draw 3 cards +1 AP

you can almost go infinite if you pick up other draw cards like rally

[short rune]

yeah i always try to go for that

[wary needle]

the draw 3, discard if cost <4?

[hazy nebula]

nah its a fate

[short rune]

no, it's the fate

[hazy nebula]

if you draw 3 cards

you get 1 AP

no limit per turn

[short rune]

what u pick at the start of every floor

[wary needle]

dayyum

[hazy nebula]

for the fates?

i think most of the first fates arent that good

or maybe there are some good ones, i just dont remember

i think the rest one is pretty good

since i like to go events -> elites -> shops -> reds

and im a rest enjoyer

i hate rolling for training

costs 50 credits and you get garbage 99% of the time

[short rune]

there is a fate that increase ur chance to get the seasonal cards on training iirc

[hazy nebula]

I wonder why they chose initiation

and not just shorten outbreak of war into outbreak

[woeful forge]

These 2 saves are good right? Minus the items.

[hazy nebula]

not good

cause you got bricked with the shield basic

on mei lin

[woeful forge]

If I didn't have the shield it would be good?

[hazy nebula]

yeah

cause you want your unity card

to only draw punches

for veronica, idk

[woeful forge]

Wouldn't I have cannot draw assigned cards?

[hazy nebula]

i dont have her

[woeful forge]

Because I've drawn all my punches

[hazy nebula]

no because you have a "move" unity

so you use the draw one first

use the punches so they go into the "used" pile

and then you use the "move" unity

[woeful forge]

Oh

[hazy nebula]

to pull the punches out of the "used" pile

if you do it the other way, it wont work

cause you can't draw from the "used" pile

but you can pull cards out of the "used" pile

using "move"

[woeful forge]

Move is the best one you can get right?

[hazy nebula]

yes

its the best one

create is 2nd best

[woeful forge]

Well shit

Almost perfect then

[hazy nebula]

yeah

that one could have been pretty good

if it didnt brick by giving you a shield

[woeful forge]

I think it wouldn't of saved if i deleted it

[hazy nebula]

also you have that iron wall

[woeful forge]

I can just get that redraw equipment

[hazy nebula]

if you want to make a save data for outside of chaos, you want as little bloat as possible

otherwise its fine to bloat if you just want to clear the chaos

[woeful forge]

Which 5* has best dupes

I have 300 selector

[hazy nebula]

whoever you want

or you like to play

you can pick up a new character if you want

or pick someone you like playing

if you like mei lin, just pick mei lin

mei lin, veronica, hugo, khalipe is probaby the safest characters

[fast lodge]

Dont miss out on luke fr fr

[hazy nebula]

hes right

need e4 to make luke work

or something

[woeful forge]

How much does reload give Veronica

Does 1 max stack of reload matter that much

Mei lin e2 looks pretty good

And her e3

[hazy nebula]

yeah i have no idea

i dont have veronica

all i know is veronica is a broken ass support

[woeful forge]

Card draw = good

I've hit level 50. No unit problems until I've started promoting to level 55

[lament isle]

I want to play other characters but the resource glut is so real

Veronica is crazy cos she draws a lot and also does a lot of damage

Like the 2 things you want any character to do

[hazy nebula]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh MY WIVESSSSSSSSSS

look at his stupid grin

[short rune]

where's magna/renoa/mei lin/veronica?

[lament isle]

See above

[ionic stream]

I assume "draw by ability" simply means drawing outside of the draw that happens at beginning of turn

[hazy nebula]

yes it means anything that doesnt include the turns draw

but inspiration specifically checks if it goes into your hand

so i believe that nias activate the top card wont boost the inspiration

since it never hit your hand

[hazy nebula]

i just noticed that triangle

what are they?

[wary needle]

i wanna say each characters hp but the right side seems way too low to be true

unless u got no gear on one of them

[hazy nebula]

idk my gear is hot garbage

[main falcon]

I just know that when your health bar is past the last triangle you'll be on "injured" state

[hazy nebula]

oh so its your health state

[main falcon]

There's a specific partner that heals you additionally when you're on injured state

[south marsh]

Its for health status, healthy, injured and whatever the 3rd is, some skills depend on it

[hazy nebula]

[wary needle]

should have added theres a 100% chance that it increases half the time

[south marsh]

This one is pretty good for tanks, the glock that gives 12% attack is also good

I had 1170 attack on rin with it

[lament isle]

Oooop

Guess I have to gear up

[lament isle]

Nah still too difficult need a cracked mei Lin with copies of that Kung Fu kick

[wooden eagle]

f2p waiting for stam to get stronger to clear content

dont regret wasting but its definitely game on maintenance until the weekend

[lament isle]

Oooop

Nah I can't handle this need more veronidraws

[lament isle]

if they have sweep this game would be perfect

[wooden eagle]

its weirdly not as big of a deal in this game

i think the stamina per auto is higher so it doesnt feel as annoying to me

and you can burn stam in the fun content

this is half cope but it is nice that I can backload the gaming to the end of the week

i have more time to chip away at other games

[lament isle]

it IS nice that daily and using stam are super fast

and the no life part you can do whenever you want

[south marsh]

Is the boss suppose to wttack 3 turns in a row with 800+ dmg every turn ?

He also has way too much hp wnd too many attack turns

[raven dove]

Which one

[main falcon]

yeah because the boss heard people are talking shit about him

[south marsh]

Wolf guy at end, level 95 with 40% hp +attack buff

[raven dove]

Just gotta hope you get enough dmg in lmao. Yeah that guy kinda sucks if you use your first turn for upgrades etc

[fast lodge]

What's khalipe best non-5* partner?

[raven dove]

Dps/Support unit

What are you asking for

Oh partner

The draw one prob

[craggy patrol]

racheeeeel

[south marsh]

If you want more barriers rachel if you want more dmg maribel

[south marsh]

I have to say heal in this game is garbage so many sources dont heal sanity and all it does is get rid of chip dmg from battles it never saves you in a do or die situation

[raven dove]

All healing should recover stress if you're missing hp

[fast lodge]

A geared Mika could probably save you sometimes

but yeah anything else and its just anti-chip

[peak torrent]

mika has ok healing

its enough to prevent you from slowly bleeding out

[wary needle]

its when theres modifiers like in this crab event tht it feels bad

does like 1700 dmg on the 6th turn

[raven dove]

Might be time to get one of those evasion cards

Especially when you have enough cycle, was thinking about it because i use my whole deck in a turn with 2 search cards

IE: Rin draw card

[hazy nebula]

15d left with yuki

i wonder if they will do anything with yuki before her banner rolls over

[raven dove]

Doubt it, they will probably add a unit thats like Hugo for AoE tho

Inb4 that's Chizuru

Then next unit is powercrept Mika

[hazy nebula]

maybe

[raven dove]

Normal Smilegay activity

[hazy nebula]

still good to have mika since you need 2 teams anyways

[raven dove]

Dunno if they will even nerf buff because it's a pve game

[hazy nebula]

will be good to have 2 mikas

[raven dove]

I mean yeah, kinda ass that she's better than the other 3 rn

Like you can use the others but she gives ap

More so for the content outside of chaos runs

[hazy nebula]

rei is pretty good for some comps

but mika being the only reliable AP generator is basically her only saving grace

i guess she does do big heals though

[lament isle]

Argh

[wooden eagle]

try again on the weekend

[lament isle]

I dunno how people without Veronica and mei Lin are gonna try diff 9 crab

Altho it's not needed ig

Diff 6 gets you everything

[wary needle]

cant clear with mei cus i cant get a half decent save

tbf i think my total run count is still below 10

did some1 say copies on the kick

[lament isle]

Yeah I needed that

[wary needle]

i guess i need better support savaes cus rn its impossible to get this to work with how much ap the setup needs

[south marsh]

Honestly my best rin save so for was with 2 wolf draw card with 1 ap epiphany

Drawing more cards even dps is good

[wary needle]

i agree, its effectively having a copy of source of water or draw card of a support

i try to get this on mei lin too

0 cost 2 draw why tf not

[lament isle]

If only there's a fire mika that would go crazy with mei lin

[peak torrent]

because its bad without the 2ap epiphany

[hazy nebula]

i dont think difficulty 11 is supposed to be easily cleared

you just have to keep rolling and rolling until you get some insane build going

[lament isle]

There isn't much to get anyways right

[hazy nebula]

just bragging rights

or if you are actually someone that wants to do harder content

[wary needle]

yea didnt kno till today u can get 13 tier on diff8

[wary needle]

theres also a 2 ap next turn. Honestly tht one is the preferred one, this one alil more niche for her. Both epi r amazing on khalipe tho

[lament isle]

Diff 8 is the comfy farm level (which can still kill you lol)

[hazy nebula]

why does this garbage keep turning on

i pause it

when i launch stove

and then its somehow fully watched

[mild sky]

farmed +20 views off u

[wary needle]

those sneaky bastards

[mild sky]

[wary needle]

looks like the game runs even when i block stove through firewall

but would have to turn it back on everytime i close and launch the game

[main falcon]

Wtf that's just normal epiphany too

[thin gate]

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[sterile snow]

at least they made these bosses be bonus rewards past 6

This crab guy on 9 is not it

[lament isle]

Yeah I dont mind the way they do it right now

[lament isle]

most omgBruh selections ever

[sweet remnant]

what is even ravage anyway

[lament isle]

ravage is break

[sweet remnant]

oh

isn't that good

she breaks easily doesn't she?

[lament isle]

yes but it's quite expensive

i'm specifically looking for the combo build right now, or veronica things

[sweet remnant]

ah

given the options that's probably what i would pick anyway

or whirlpool if you're not saving mika

[lament isle]

yeah i'm picking that, see if I can pivot this mei lin into a break build for fun

i'm not sure if whirlpool will ever be good enough to build around tbh

[sweet remnant]

there's a whirlpool upgrade that increases it to 100% per target

i had that combined with the overheal = shield epiphany for her ap based heal and i liked that

i dont have the names of everything memorized yet

they use too many esoteric terms in this game

[craggy steeple]

das a skip from me it's what it's

[thin gate]

bricked run

[lament isle]

so I got some pretty good shit in the end

but I went out of a dimensional gate

into 1 single path, regular monster with aura

and I'm on -50% HP

and she's in the brink of mental collapse

[thin gate]

was it hasan

[lament isle]

ahh the caprice of rng

[thin gate]

or meat tower

[lament isle]

no it's the flying monster and fat guy, the one where you have to use atk skill to reduce cost

[thin gate]

oh right

[lament isle]

normally it would be easy except i was unlucky

and got all my mentally ill cards on the 2nd turn

[craggy steeple]

tf

where'd my gold go

[south marsh]

So i just discovered that the free 5 refreshes isnt a one time thing but on every shop with dellang

This changes everything

You can actually consistently target all the draw cards

[sweet remnant]

i just unlocked the ability to reroll dice

why do they gate this so far into the game

its so much more fun if you can reroll

[craggy steeple]

i aint getting out with this one

giga mika run as well

fk u 2 game not a single gearbag stayed

[fast lodge]

[thin gate]

owned

[lament isle]

bruh

https://old.reddit.com/r/ChaosZeroNightmare/comments/1p068kk/from_17k_hp_to_0_in_a_single_turn_with_tressa/ is tressa bbbbrokenn?

i'll be honest though seems like a bug healed while full = still get daggers

[south marsh]

Imo exhaust cards are kinda bad, confiscations and rally seem the best to me

[peak torrent]

exhaust is fine because all the content that you use it for lasts like 5 turns

so if it wasnt exhausted you would see it like twice max

this is true for literally all content ingame that u use save data for rn

[south marsh]

True its all dmg rush slop

[wary needle]

im guessing hes banned on twitch

its great cus its not even spam its just paragraphs of taking every opportunity to dunk on him

[wary needle]

finally the best part of bp

[craggy steeple]

man i wanna main the katana chick

too bad i dont fken got her

50 pulls til selector tho

hope they give enuf for it & soon

[south marsh]

Their is kinda no source for standard pulls once you reach 260

[raven dove]

[mild sky]

save data go boom boom

[thin gate]

who needs save data

[lament isle]

Just go on a 20 level chaos

[main falcon]

💀

I procced every card epiphany

[wooden eagle]

i still dont understand what the epiphany limits are

[south marsh]

-100 memory

[lament isle]

I made a quick Google sheet for that

[south marsh]

I just do it in my head even tho i have cost calculator tab open every time

[main falcon]

Why do need to do math or go to a third party website just to know faint memory score?

The game should just display it mid-run

[lament isle]

True

At least just show it when you click character portrait

I thought they're gonna do it

[south marsh]

Future qol probably, we initially didn't even knew about the faint memory core even being a thing

[south marsh]

3 potential nodes left and then my yuki is complete

[wary needle]

not tryna do the other boss on lower diff

[south marsh]

I honestly dont get lac and jena obsession with doing 130 level map, just do the 80 one and get 13 or 14 tier map

All the nodes above 80 have the same base limit of 10 with only modifiers changing its tier

No first time reward either

[wooden eagle]

they probably just want to beat the highest difficulty because they can

[wary needle]

yea just for content

not actually save farming

that said tho lac rages about bad rng all the time

[main falcon]

Yeah it's for fun and content

Like who wants to see a walk in the park

And yeah seeing lac rage is the funniest shit ever

[lament isle]

it's their job to mald at games aye

[south marsh]

I think 95 is fine it has the updated mechanics and is challenging, but above that is just numerical diff

[raven dove]

If it's always bad rng team just bad

[south marsh]

Bro the phelgam weekly boss is so ass

He ends up getting away with his 6 stacks every turn

I need a perfect multi hit rin for it

And a rei and mika both with draw 1 card after 4 are used to have infinite draw

Dmg is so pointless in this game to focus just go ap and draw spam

[raven dove]

Yeah agree, just need move card and ap

If you just have draw tho you will run out of cards to use

[south marsh]

Yeah thats whats makes mika good you get that 1 ap every turn in exchange of cost with 2 watere

You cycle 80% deck pr turn

[peak torrent]

its more like deck draw is easier to get than ap

there's a couple deck draw cards in shop

but ap is always epi rng

[south marsh]

That's why mika is a must

You like to use cards get mika so you use more cards

[peak torrent]

honestly they need to rebalance neutrals

because they range from completely fucking useless (most of them)

to op and better than basically every character card (gear bag/rally)

[south marsh]

one day left for one node upgrade before i successfully brick my account (i aint using the purple currency for crit upgrades )

[raven dove]

Some of the neutrals are good for the run but shit outside of it IE: Manuvering Fire/that 1 cost melee aoe that gives you 2 debuffs

[sweet remnant]

how do i fix this card

what do

[fast lodge]

beat the floor boss

[sweet remnant]

thanks

[thin gate]

made for tressa

[sweet remnant]

hmm

[thin gate]

wheres heal = shadow dagger

[sweet remnant]

I didn't roll it

too bad right

[lament isle]

This is like tressas most broken shit right

Well if she's main DPS that is

[sweet remnant]

i think it's most broken no matter what

it's that kind of imbalanced

[lament isle]

The only thing that works when healing on full HP

[hazy nebula]

Yeah cause it's heal not recovered

[low mauve]

[mild sky]

erm

[hazy nebula]

she broke or something?

why is her skirt ripped

[main falcon]

Nightmode gwen?

[raven dove]

new czn char wutda

[lament isle]

Yeah this is kinda annoying because tressa without that upgrade is so different, to the point that I would quit runs

[hazy nebula]

yeah tressa without that upgrade is literally unplayable

[wooden eagle]

so what happens with lab 0 when season ends

is it just in the standard chaos mode and I can get the lab 0 specific cards there

or do they disappear

[lament isle]

they're going to standard, but the cards I'm not sure

Iirc they should be available for all? We don't have chaos specific cards before this do we

[wooden eagle]

but like are forbidden cards there as well

i mean I have 50 days or whatever but I just need to know what to focus on

[hazy nebula]

I believe they add it to standard

I assume the forbidden cards are going to be in lab 0 chaos

[lament isle]

Also I just want to share that I had lunch earlier and the wageslave sitting beside me was playing czn the whole time

I've seen 3 times now

Czn is kinda popular in singlepoor

[lament isle]

He also had a lunch meeting afterwards what a professional

[wooden eagle]

are the mindbreaks relateable

[lament isle]

Well this discord oversamples the mind broken singaporeans

[lament isle]

Donezo

The tutor card that searches for one attack card is totally the mvp

[thin gate]

https://rentry.co/f2pbtw

all subject to change of course

[lament isle]

No leaks closer to us like chizuru?

[thin gate]

i'll take a leak close to you

(no, not that I know of besides card art)

[wooden eagle]

this card really is a run saver

2 weaken on all enemies is so good

[thin gate]

maribelle has one that does similar for 1 cost and applies shield

underrated unit

[wooden eagle]

maybe one day I play maribelle

[thin gate]

i have a build w 2 of these

cracked af

[south marsh]

bro these are my yuki stats i see why she is so ass

this is trash compared to rins

having 60% crit rate is so better

and its also funny to see a 2 cost single target base attack do less then 1k dmg when rin can do 2k dmg with her 2 cost base attack

[wooden eagle]

yeah i remove that 2 cost basic

[south marsh]

surely she can clear this

[south marsh]

her 2 cost is fine as she lacks single target dmg

she is in paticular desperately needs draw cards

joker into subdue with extra card draw on inspiration is very good the only problem being jokers 1 cost

[wooden eagle]

i'll defer to you for now

but I'll still remove the 2 cost until I get punished for it

[south marsh]

Well that was my first run

So i dont know much

[thin gate]

2 coat basic is a huge L

Awful card

[fast lodge]

Just get +1 AP on subdue ezpz

getting vulnerable on one of yuki's attacks is honestly huge tho

[lament isle]

I haven't even built yuki 💀 this resource glut man they got to do something about it

[fast lodge]

yeah its miserable

trying to build haru and khalipe from scratch and Im being emptied out, not even building their "artifacts" yet

[south marsh]

Took me 15 days to 60 yuki max potentials and get ideal main stat gear

Next is haru then khalipe

[fast lodge]

also vulnerable on this retrieve is so nice, otherwise vuln on flash slash would be better for aoe

[south marsh]

She is a character who really needs the ap from ravage

[sweet remnant]

is there any save data cost to remove this card?

[sterile snow]

20/30/50

1st 2nd 3rd removal of basics

[sweet remnant]

that's not a basic is it?

i thought basics were grey cards

[sterile snow]

er anything in starting deck

including the ones u get from epiphanies

[sweet remnant]

oh okay

thanks

[peak torrent]

https://euri412.itch.io/save-data-calculator

[thin gate]

I wish yuki emptied me out

[south marsh]

Basic cards are only the 1st 3 cards, the rest count as unique

[hazy nebula]

its funny how the devs were so lazy at implementing this

that people had to take it into their own hands and make a calculator

this could have been the simplest thing they could have implemented

its literally a count

also its not like they have to make a whole new thing, they have the thing running in the background

or how else would they know what to do with the save data

[wary needle]

had to be intentionally meant to be vague/secret but because everyone wanted clarification, they wrote up their algorithm in the guides

but yea now it just needs to show the progress in the chaos run menu

dont need to copy poe on its dependance on third party sites now

[wooden eagle]

so I guess freezing blade does activate when you activate a card from the deck

which implies inspiration does as well

[hazy nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/bing-gif-25601964

am i blind

or is it double i

double l

i think i might be blind

[raven dove]

Chiilling

[south marsh]

Its already being counted in the backend they just need to display it

Its classic kr devs never show the numbers

[hazy nebula]

https://wiki.e7bot.top/#/czn/encounters

e7 chinese bot making content for CZN

[south marsh]

my rin got the dog in her

it gave me shield back but let me keep the dogs

[hazy nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/comet-dog-toy-poodle-cute-dog-let-me-out-locked-dog-gif-18088417

[south marsh]

now that i buy draw cards on all my units, you get so few epiphanies in the game doesnt matter the mode

[lament isle]

For Level 60 Combatants

Previous Unit Consumption: 1,080,000 >>> Updated Unit Consumption: 216,000

For Level 60 Partners

Previous Unit Consumption: 519,000 >>> Updated Unit Consumption: 103,800

https://page.onstove.com/chaoszeronightmare/en/view/11319239?boardKey=139238&combined=false

poggers

the Agent Info screen will now display your current Save Data’s “Faint Memory Points” inreal time,
allowing you to focus fully on the game without any inconvenience.

[south marsh]

DEvs listened

[fast lodge]

Do we get refunds

[south marsh]

yes

[hazy nebula]

thank god for this change

and yeah smilegate always retroactively gives back the difference

nice

and they added the save data shit

see, complaining does do something

(even if we just bitch in this hollow isolated space)

damn they even said yuki is good against two or more enemies

so they are just going to tune the epiphanies to have a build that can do more single target?

i wonder if the data they used were players with maxed yukis

or what

we will never know

thats good that they dont want to blindly (deafly) listen to what people want

and actually look at their stats

but i do hope they look at the right stats

cause most people have e0 yukis

[lament isle]

well e7 devs always say the right things. implementation can vary

[hazy nebula]

yeah

usually its a half way point

at worst

like the pet system they had initially

[lament isle]

but im always confident they're gonna work extra hard on this game especially since they're at tenterhooks with KR

[hazy nebula]

everyone hated that hot garbage

and then they removed the snacks and implemented auto amount to level

so you still need to use the system

[fast lodge]

[hazy nebula]

but they also shower you with tickets so you're not completely left in the dark

[fast lodge]

[hazy nebula]

looking forward to being able to level 60 my characters

even though it wont do that much

[fast lodge]

Yeah great move, aoe with her is plenty good, its just the ST options are pure ass

Mostly that flash slash epip

[hazy nebula]

man veronica is just too broken

does way too much damage for a "sub-dps"

since most people use her to enable the main dps

[wooden eagle]

so far I find yuki okay

i'd probably have a much easier time on other meta characters but she's not that bad

[craggy steeple]

[wooden eagle]

she feels like how devs would want you to feel doing a run

[craggy steeple]

hate that ts dont work with veronica

[lament isle]

after using veronica meilin it is hard to use anything else

bitch is just broken

[south marsh]

Low dmg and play like shit?, she is far too slow compared to rin but i guess its more of a aoe ingeneral sucks ass

Aoe is only only good if their is 3 or more enemies, alot of enemy nodes are 1 to 2 enemies including elites and final bosses

So her excelling at 3 or more is pointless

[wooden eagle]

again, i find her okay

her aoe is fine

i assume rin is better by default

theres no argument from me saying she should be played above anyone else

[south marsh]

Its more of a bad design for yuki promotion lab 7 should have had new mobs with more aoe required

Aoe dps as concept is fine it just lacks a need for chaos

[main falcon]

That probably is the best thing they could do for Yuki

At least they didnt cave in to the crybabies complaining about her

Now you choose whether to make her just aoe or dedicated ST without destroying her mechanics

[thin gate]

yeye

[wooden eagle]

a bit mad

[lament isle]

of course he's a big boobs brown dust 2 player

the dev's statement is reasonable but it's true that i kind of doubt their execution

[craggy steeple]

is brown dust 2 still not a hentai game omgbruh

[wooden eagle]

it almost is if you do the glupy talks

bit of a packed deck but cool

boosted me up a lot for yuki damage

[lament isle]

Zamn 3 pred blade

[wooden eagle]

it was a smooth run

[wary needle]

lmao

[wary needle]

prob cus korea customer support is filled with 100s of keepYourselfSafe spam The few actual feedback is seen as a breath of fresh air and something thats actually productive for the game

[wary needle]

never farmed units, if anything my issue is exp

but ill take it, free money is free money

[south marsh]

I think its very reasonable to reduce unit cost, everything requires it

Exp should be the bottle neck not units because without units you cant do many things like lac quitting because no money for chaos

[wary needle]

i dont even know what therapy does but it takes so much i just stopped deleting memories with units

they either needa remove the cost or match save data refund units with that, we only get like 1k units each combatant

and yea thats fair, other resources should naturally become scarce first before units

[wooden eagle]

you have save data, your girls need therapy

if not the save data is locked

you either spend your passes to fix them up or you delete them

[wary needle]

so if i dont really care about the save data what happens? Like, I know they r not all good

can i leave it

[wooden eagle]

if you dont fix them or delete their memories?

[wary needle]

yea

[wooden eagle]

if you just leave them then they stay fucked up

so when you go do a new run they get the nightmare traits I think

i guess if you leave them for too long they're out of commission until you fix them or remove their memories maybe

but i havent tried

okay looking it up I think its simply just

you recover the save data/delete the save data

or leave the save data locked and keep the person in deep trauma

which is basically like the forced version of nightmare mode

[craggy steeple]

Is there any reason to do codex when event chaos is up?

[wary needle]

if u havnt unlocked lvl 25/30 on some worlds yea

if u havnt yet id say get lvl 25 The Foretold Ruin atleast

for this

[craggy steeple]

Dam

That shit's common rarity?

[wary needle]

legendary

[craggy steeple]

Oh

Gray coloured banner js a placeholder or sm

Ill farm codex a bit then

[wary needle]

I think this event lvls up city of mist too? If u dont have 25 of tht, belligerence is good too if u have a dps that use it

[wary needle]

I thought the grey border meant something too but nah it looks like its just the star color

[wooden eagle]

well i can do kentris 6 stack with this yuki team

probably cant do 9

[south marsh]

i wished they only kept save data locked during trauma because you cant claim policies or gift them until they get fixed which is annoying

[wooden eagle]

I see

I kinda get it because its basically meant to be a 'perma death' sort of thing without the perma

but they probably could ahve done it in a better way

[south marsh]

ok maybe the gift part is acceptable but at least let em claim the policy

hmm ngl but cassius is kinda ass, all his stuff costs 1 and he doesnt get full house from quest

i feel like yuki with mika needs another unit

[wooden eagle]

i use rei/nia

works well enough

but cant compare because i dont have cassius built

[south marsh]

Level up planets in codex, thats what im doing the level 25 cards are all good

[south marsh]

Isnt nia just alot of extra attack and activating cards? She doesn't seem to help her inspiration

[wooden eagle]

nia has draw

and her card activations from deck trigger inspiration

i just use her for draw and partial healing

extra attacks is just extra

and i throw neutral cards I might want to use in a run to her

[ionic stream]

too slow? idk bro i copied the attack & pull an attack card and she feels plenty fast

also the 0 mana card i made so it pulls 2 attacks

[south marsh]

You have never played a run with built rin then if you think yuki is fast

[wooden eagle]

if you're playing mika cassius yuki

that sounds pretty slow

you dont need that much ap for yuki because most of her cards are 0/1 cost with inspiration

and theres enough ap from divines and neutrals to fuel

[raven dove]

Just wait for AoE Hugo bro trust

[south marsh]

Its either too much ap and no cards to play or too many cards but no ap

[ionic stream]

i dont have rin

[raven dove]

[south marsh]

You unlock 2x speed for chaos once you get rin which gets interrupted by a all heal draw

[ionic stream]

[raven dove]

L take

[sweet remnant]

imagine not treating maribell like the feeder queen she is

[ionic stream]

nah man i love picking the no-rizz option in these

is fun

mc is a clanker isnt he

should rp as one

[sweet remnant]

no idea I don't read this games lore

i still dont even know why owen has the reputation that he does

[ionic stream]

tl;dr is korea netizens are insane incels

who are very insecure about their small penises and they want the entire world to know that

[hazy nebula]

Honestly whoever compares characters to mei lin Veronica needs to get their brain checked

Those 2 just break the game

Imagine if they release a red mika

No combo should be allowing you to 1 shot a boss

The best characters in the game are the ones that can just "cheat" free damage out of thin air

Without needing much or any AP

[vast swallow]

Where do i sepnd my arther?

Need to be lvl 20

To progress

[fast lodge]

material to upgrade your units in simulation

[wary needle]

giga 🐳

um it cant be hoarded

gotta pick before it ends

[wooden eagle]

yup

[raven dove]

refunds go out already?

[wooden eagle]

patch in december I think

[raven dove]

lame

[hazy nebula]

they said 3rd

or something

[hazy nebula]

this yuki gameplay is amazing

i get to play the game

https://tenor.com/view/oooo-ahoklollmao-gif-8289321355786879775

[craggy patrol]

who is that guy on stream

[hazy nebula]

forsen

[craggy patrol]

and why is he bricking his ressources for some screentime

[hazy nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/forsen-ai-forsen-ai-wutface-horror-gif-8426092642738163293

idk he just wants to

i love it when my aoe yuki decides that its time to not think about aoe

[wooden eagle]

that happens when you get your actual aoe attacks

[woeful forge]

E4 baby

[wooden eagle]

what the

[main falcon]

What the heck he's gambling i mean gaming

[hazy nebula]

mods

transfer his veronica to my account

[south marsh]

I'll argue remove 1 or 2 card is probably the best option, the rest are garbage (hp increase is acceptable)

[south marsh]

The single target upgrade is the best option else she sucks at boss fights

[south marsh]

Man i really need veronica , cassius is so garbage he is exclusively good with haru and khalipe who want a specific card else he is ass

Nia is also ass ill rather delete 5 of her cards

[craggy steeple]

is ragna cheeks

ragna's slot just better to be filled with mika even if already got subhealer?

[lament isle]

Veronica is brrrrrrooken

[craggy steeple]

wish renoa's basic attack does something aside from just flat damage

all other dps char's basic attack has some sorta gimmick to it

[lament isle]

Man the refunds can't happen any earlier

It's insane how fast 1 mil credit gets drained

Can't wait to play other characters than Vero/mei Lin

[south marsh]

@wooden eagle you lied to me activation does not activate inspiration, nia is also hot garbage, ill argue her skills are far worse them cassius, cassius is expensive but is just ass, only 2 of her cards is good but remove 4 cards is 150+ cost

[wooden eagle]

hmm

when I used the deck activation skill it triggered yuki's upgrade

[south marsh]

Koreans better riot again i need the 30 pulls to select veronica

[wooden eagle]

so I assumed it does work

[south marsh]

Only the draw top pile card activates it

But on hand ones activation doesnt do anything

[wooden eagle]

@south marsh

yeah I was talking about draw from deck

[south marsh]

Only amigo and curosity with her base unique card the rest of her kit is garbage

[fast lodge]

The way to play nia is to prune 4 of her cards and getting the adiago that draws 2 from selected combatant

[wooden eagle]

well we dont have veronica so we have to make do

[south marsh]

Even curosity griefs if you all are yuki cards

[wooden eagle]

nia works well for me

? curiosity is good

you draw an inspiration card and it activates

i have to load the game now to make sure I know what you're talking about

[fast lodge]

Eh you cycle yuki’s cards so fast it shouldn’t matter

[south marsh]

Cassius is somehow better, you get 2 upgrades remove all basics and thats 8 out 3 cards left which are expensive but works well with yuki kit

He doesn't hinder yuki card draw but does hinder ap

[wooden eagle]

yeah but then you have ot play mika

instead of dps boosting rei

and then complain about how slow everything is

[south marsh]

I did 2 runs nia both runs i got amigo and curosity so late that i was going insane

[wooden eagle]

i've had great times with nia

[south marsh]

Their is definitely potential but curosity can screw you up

[wooden eagle]

and you get so many additional draws from neutrals and what not that it doesnt matter if you pick a dud

[fast lodge]

[wooden eagle]

you must have a wildly different playstyle or something because I dont understand how you cant see the usefulness

[south marsh]

Thats the thing with cassis its 3 cards that all enable yuki kit+ random draw cards, but nia still has 2 hot garbage unique cards even with 3 basics removed

[south marsh]

I saw the usefulness

But it was 2\10 battles

[wooden eagle]

3 of yuki's cards are for card draw, you have exhaust card draw from rei as well

[fast lodge]

Same, I like nia more solely for the extra healing at least for chaos

[wooden eagle]

its pretty easy for me to cycle through

between yuki rei and nia you have enough to cycle through to yuki cards

[south marsh]

Ok ill give yuki rei nia 1 more try

[wooden eagle]

lol

i dont think you'll like it

it sounds like you've had shit runs so far

[south marsh]

Remove yuki shield qnd 2 cost, remove both basic attack of rei, remove that garbage decibel card and basic attack of nia

[wooden eagle]

how do you afford so many removals

and get enough epiphanies

[south marsh]

I dont enough epiphany

But i always choose remove cards or plan my route to fit 6 removals

[wooden eagle]

I see

I think i'm the opposite

because most neutrals revolve around drawing attack cards

so it doesnt matter as much in a run

and then nia can cycle through the rest I might need

like upgrades or exhaust draws or whatever I need

or yuki cards if rng works

i mean removal is good but I need to get the cards to play

[south marsh]

Well what your doing is removing card with extra steps

[wooden eagle]

yeah but i need to roll for epiphanies

[south marsh]

Epiphanies are just rng sometime you get 3 battle no epiphany sometimes its 2 from normal battle

[wooden eagle]

yeah i need them

if i was stuck with choosing a remove or an epiphany early on i choose epiphany

once I get the kit I then care about cutting

because yuki doesnt work unless you get more inspiration attacks and freezing blade

she's mid after all

[south marsh]

Imo all she need is qol to be good

Yuki is inconvenient and not fun to play right now

[wooden eagle]

i think as long as I get a freezing blade at least I'm pretty okay with the run

iceberg cleave would also be ideal

[south marsh]

Stuff like initiation on her upgrade on all epihanies or retain or 0cost draw card so manage ap better

[wooden eagle]

and then its just praying that rolls work out for me

[south marsh]

She doesn't need number improvement just less fked by rng

[wooden eagle]

if I'm ultra lucky a copy of prepare to subdue would be nice but I'm not lucky

[south marsh]

What epiphany you go on trickery strike

[wooden eagle]

i think trickery sucks

i just make the most of it if I get it

[south marsh]

I use that card mostly as a got unlucky card

[wooden eagle]

yeah same but the thing is

[south marsh]

Initiall draw gave me yuki card ill activate it with trickery

[wooden eagle]

if i get unlucky with attack draws

then nia adagio solves it

and if I ahve the draw cards i need for yuki they get further boosted

[south marsh]

Adagio needs other card to actually draw the discarded card

[wooden eagle]

so there arent many chances for me to use trickery

correct

[south marsh]

I think their was 1 epiphany which discard first then draws it

[wooden eagle]

i'll do some prog on the team later on to see how I go and if I change my mind

but I think its at least useable for some fun

but I think I wouldn't like it if I'm trying to make an ultra lean deck

I'm just accepting my deck has some bloat thats made up for with the high draw from the team

i would say the one card I really think is useless outside of basics for nia is mute accent

soul rip as well but i cna at least use the heal

[lament isle]

Man I know nothing of what you guys just said. I need the refund NOW

Can't believe they ever thought of limiting building playable characters in a roguelike game

[wooden eagle]

i'm only playing yuki because everyone went apeshit saying shes so bad and her partner is so bad and shes trash

and I play her and find out that she's pretty okay

not great but not bad

[lament isle]

You're old school

Since hoyo ppl seems to be mad if their bias is weak

[wooden eagle]

having said that

i dont think theres any chance of me doing max diff chaos

that shit will fuck me

[lament isle]

I like the devs response though

[lament isle]

For some reason the chaos isn't shilled for yuki

I'm perplexed

[wooden eagle]

yeah it is a bit weird

[ionic stream]

https://vxtwitter.com/AyanoCanvas/status/1989423092465373555?t=YSOmTb7Wbor6XEVaamBY-A&s=19

Ayano (@AyanoCanvas)

Chilling at the beach with Yuki! 💙
ユキと海でまったり 🏖️
sfw
#ChaosZeroNightmare #カオスゼロナイトメア

vxTwitter / fixvx · Nov 14, 2025, 8:00 PM

[main falcon]

[mild sky]

already more fanart than e7

[ionic stream]

yeah, true

e7 was simply cursed to have no fanart

[mild sky]

😔

[south marsh]

I hope the cn jacket default version of yuki becomes available in global

[ionic stream]

post em

[south marsh]

Its basically same but her jacket is closed

[ionic stream]

ok but post it i wanna see

[craggy patrol]

chizuru is 3 dec?

[south marsh]

Their is no official version of it, kinda funny its hard to find cn versions of the units

[craggy patrol]

maybe shes a char i enjoy and come back

[ionic stream]

cumbak

[woeful forge]

I hate judas

[ionic stream]

based?

[south marsh]

my rin with the 5 dogs

[short rune]

Yeah if they just make inspiration effects stackable that would be great, fixes the issue that trickery strike has wherein it's useless most of time when u have her team built out already

[hazy nebula]

Yeah cause E7 basically never advertised their game

This game got a huge amount of sponsorship from the start and still is sponsoring

[peak torrent]

because e7 is not a casual game

and most of the artists are casual players

[hazy nebula]

Nah

I think it's also cause JP died on release

Well, "died"

I think E7 is actually more casual than this game

Unless your goal is to be rank 1 in rta

[peak torrent]

e7 has no casual content

its just rta

if you don't do rta your content loop is

[hazy nebula]

Yeah but you can still just do 2 rta a day

[peak torrent]

oh new rta unit comes out

yeah I can pull it

then u farm gear that has no purpose for pve

and then u read their crappy event stories

[sterile snow]

I saw those e7 ads st the beginning a shit ton on yourube

[peak torrent]

the casual content in e7 is really underbaked

[hazy nebula]

You can auto most of the content in e7

Which definitely means it's more casual

But whether it's more fun is a different story

The only thing that's not casual (depending on your goals) is rta

Some people don't mind staying in Masters or Champion

[thin gate]

silver is fine too, aruji-dono

[sterile snow]

I mean one of my friends has all the units and shit gear because he only plays to collect

I don't get it either when you're not gonna use them

Some people just like that

[hazy nebula]

maybe he likes their designs

[sweet ginkgo]

is this game worth playing? got like 30 min max a day for this

[hazy nebula]

you can definitely play this game with 30 minutes a day if you get really used to the game

but initially you probably will be moving quite slow

they are working on increasing the speed, but its not out yet

[south marsh]

So @wooden eagle i gave your comp a try it does function and can let yuki shine but its very weak on heals, even with both healing i barely survived twice (but this was level 82 green planet) tier 12,this comp can work if supports are well invested and thick

Also nia ego skill is garbage never used it

[hazy nebula]

nia ego is op if you have the cube

[sterile snow]

that thing still works not a bug?

[south marsh]

I guess i just dont like nias gimmick of discarding getting decibel, doing extra attack healing 50% out of it, she requires investment to truly shine

[sweet ginkgo]

Is the game enjoyable without p2w?

[wooden eagle]

I agree so far

[hazy nebula]

depends on you, if you want 5*, i have 4 5* and still have enough currency to full pity 1 more and still havent hit my next pity in 5 standard pulls and my 300 selector

some of the 4* are really strong too

[wary needle]

can get 6-9 5*s with f2p pulls

can clear all content with 4* teams but thats less relateable than a normal player

[sterile snow]

Where's my 6-9

[sweet remnant]

i think i actually have 6 5* characters

no orlea or veronica though

[mild sky]

damn i also have 6

Also when is the refund

materials are so aids to grind

[sweet remnant]

refund?

[mild sky]

yeah lacari said they were refunding the mats cause they were rebalancing the way we level characters

[sweet remnant]

oh thats fantastic

personally i think people are overreacting but ill take it

its normal to not be able to max out characters in the first month of the game existing

[mild sky]

yeah but having more options because u can level more characters is more fun tbh

[sweet remnant]

in a year we'll all be so flush with mats we wont have any reason to do anything

truthfully i think ppl who complain do it in bad faith, they want to do everything the game has to offer and dump it in a month for the next flavor of the month game

[raven dove]

wtf look at these guys with e2 units

[wooden eagle]

just units

[mild sky]

thats still good nice

[wooden eagle]

decent heal on draw forbidden card and then cucked with no draw

i guess we go again

[hazy nebula]

which one do you guys like more

im trying yuki rei nia

[wooden eagle]

i tried guidance but it didnt end up working because I didnt have enough draw

the heal and stress wasnt enough with the little draw I had

so I'd probably try eternal hunger

[sterile snow]

wat left is like taking the stress epiphany on water

pretty bad outside chaos

[lament isle]

Eternal hunger, goat mei lin combo piece

I think universally useful otherwise too

[wooden eagle]

yeah but i only care about chaos

imagine pissing yourself off in the casino trying to min max a deck to beat some dumb endgame content when you could just play chaos all day and have fun

no I learned from uma never again

[lament isle]

Ofc I don't think guidance is good even in chaos too

[craggy steeple]

been farming creds for a couple of days now

got 1.2m

[lament isle]

40% is piddly

[craggy steeple]

watch it disappear in less than how long i farmed it for

[wooden eagle]

i think it can work I probably shouldn't ever use it on yuki teame

but if I can get a lean draw team I think I can exploit it

[lament isle]

Imo, eternal hunger can also be exploited with a lean draw team with higher upside

[wooden eagle]

yeah maybe

[mild sky]

fortitude maxxing on chaos runs

[wooden eagle]

yeah it might not work at all then cause the only reason I wanted it on yuki was I needed sustain

[lament isle]

I more or less felt the same as you guidance just felt like -1 AP for the most part

[mild sky]

also am i the only dude who never does the hsr game mode

[lament isle]

And getting lean decks is so rng

[wooden eagle]

i barely touch it

[mild sky]

i swear that shit boring af

[wooden eagle]

theres enough characters to paly around with in this game

[mild sky]

good i thought i was the only one

[wooden eagle]

that I dont need to worry about currency

[lament isle]

I finished it for the ego and autism but I haven't touched the 2nd one

[wooden eagle]

and if I dont need to worry about currency then I dont need to RNG min max

and if I dont need to do that then this is apretty good game

[lament isle]

It's probably easy as hell now that I geared up and affirmed that Vero meilin is just too good