Chaos Zero Nightmare

[lament isle]

They're also 2 low tier characters so that's kinda cool

Probably not easy to achieve for an "average" player but must be inspiring for their fans

[sweet remnant]

oh no i ran out of credits

[charred vortex]

classic

happen in everygame

[wary needle]

literally all

https://tenor.com/view/poor-no-money-gif-24226168

[sweet remnant]

how do I fix this engraved malice card

[south marsh]

The problem is luke at his peak or hugo with tressa are far better then yuki and thats being compared to same element, its just hard to justify someone to build her when other green options are better, and you can goon to her without building her

[craggy patrol]

just be as based as him

@south marsh what cards do i remove for rei

i could epi, remove 3 or copy

[south marsh]

I remove her heal only because i only need mika for heals

[craggy patrol]

and rin?

[south marsh]

I dont mind rei basic attack because every part of her kit buffs them and allies

[south marsh]

Block and blade dance

[fast lodge]

rei basic's buff?

[craggy patrol]

i'd better be not removing blade dance since i'm running her with orlea for that reason LOL

[south marsh]

Her strike as upgrades buffs them her 1cost upgrade buffs them her morale buffs them

[craggy patrol]

block i already removed tho

[south marsh]

Yeah i remove blade dance because her basic does more dmg and rng dependent

If your playing around it it's good

But problem with rin Is her annahilation with 100% dmg amount is just too good, so ill rather have basic or annahilation over it

[craggy patrol]

yea gotcha

ok cleared first zero system world pog

sadly not even close the rin or orlea build i want

wt fis that shit

[thin gate]

its mistranslated

its just current HP

not max hp

like,if you have 1000 hp you lose 20

not from the max, but from what you have

[craggy patrol]

yea

[thin gate]

plague is max HP tho

so it turns ur max from 1000 to 500

gangrene isnt as bad as it sounds

[fast lodge]

lol

[thin gate]

she's the narrator

[south marsh]

They nerfed shields after that

[craggy patrol]

that world has save data t9 damn

failed to roll a 5

initiate battle

thanks game

somehow survived with 48hp

[peak torrent]

lower max hp is rly bad

[south marsh]

My nia is dupe 6 so i cant pull for lucas dupes anymore

He is only dupe 2 i guess the L brother duo dream is dead

[raven dove]

-50% hp in new chaos is so fun!

400 hp!

Literally no copy/epi shit in new one just some shit buffs

Think I've seen 2 nihilim epi

[south marsh]

Imo the new planet is really easy if your main is a void unit

Like rin slaps this planet too hard even the 5k hp duo was easy with rin

[raven dove]

I'm not saying it's hard, it's not worth running to make decks

Even with new cards get way more out of normal chaos outside of what you need to use for the boss

[craggy patrol]

ive yet to find a unit i wanna run for a main team tho

everyone feels okayish to play but not like "yeah thats where i wanna go all in for dupes etc"

[raven dove]

Feel like you you just build a dps for every element and get 2 good sups and 2 good sup dps built

[south marsh]

The new map does have alot of selectors for neutral cards but i dont see rally in them

[raven dove]

Yeah got this spell that gives 20% dmg to mutants when in hand but thats it i think and the 0 cost draw 1 and 1 forbidden

O rally

Rng

[south marsh]

I am done with weekly bonus but still havent gotten a single forbidden card

How do you even get them

[raven dove]

You go into that portal thing and you rng it at the start

Pick between 2

Is a Curse you have to do X times and it becomes a card after

[south marsh]

I went into the white dimension but it was just 2 battles with no rewards

And it also teleported me ahead to the worst path

[craggy patrol]

peak

[peak torrent]

they copied bosky passage from arknights but forgot why they were good

[wary needle]

same lol

[wary needle]

erm was responding to this

i actually think its yuki gated or some shit. you gotta pull her and use her to drop forbidden cards

[south marsh]

I doubt that, more so just unlucky

I lost a 7 dice roll 4 times in a row

[fast lodge]

still no orlea

[raven dove]

Yeah that portal is usually shit if you don't get the forbidden. I think i got a event at the end once where i got epi card and gold gear

Had like 3 dudes to click on

[raven dove]

Hope you can survive with no camp

[craggy patrol]

based run

shell-forming cell isnt even bad cuz i have orela experiment in hand anyway

and one for retain for rins blade dance

yea i take that

[short rune]

Is it me or does the current update cause the game to memory leak?

After leaving the game open for a while it starts to giga lag

[wary needle]

yes

only since the patch i get leak lags

[craggy patrol]

yea they give me an elite stage with 3 enemies and increased card cost

while playing my rin orlea team

gg

never had my ass that fucked

[raven dove]

Nothing like a ass fk on dif 14

[fast lodge]

the hell is this

[raven dove]

Puts random curses in your deck

[wary needle]

0 epiphanies

on diff 13

i guess im trying diff 14

[raven dove]

Not much dif

Literally ass

Probably because of all the bonus in zero system

Not sure if there was something we bought for it or not tho

[fast lodge]

[south marsh]

I like how one looks slightly tired and the other is just completely collapsed

[short rune]

didn't get to 30* clear last cycle but at least i got to on this one

[raven dove]

[wooden eagle]

cant believe lacari didnt even know the orlea beryl strat

the fuck has he been doing this whole time

[hazy nebula]

cause the 1 turn thing didnt click for him

cause it resets every turn

so he didnt bother to check if it stacked in 1 turn

now he knows, he will pick up that mechanic

also did they lower the music?

i swear i have no bgm since they updated

i have to increase the volume

[wary needle]

ofc the first skin he wants is barefeet skin for mei lin

[raven dove]

Suprised not mika seem like lac girl

[hazy nebula]

shes too big

mei lin is smaller

[raven dove]

Might want to look again

[wary needle]

cant wait for him to mald not getting the right rpiphanies 10 times in a row

[hazy nebula]

nah it just means he can go 2 different beryl builds

[short rune]

yeah at least 3 out of 5 of the upgrades of opening found are useful so now he won't feel as fucked

just that u kinda have that u get orleas growth accel upgrade that works on any retain card

but he could also just go pure softie build if he knew about that

[wary needle]

holy

[hazy nebula]

man nia sucks with yuki

cause inspiration only works when it gets moved to the hand

[raven dove]

Does this mean I take 30% more dmg

yeah I think cassius better for yuki tbh

[hazy nebula]

this shit is wrong?

i discarded it and it got put to the top of my deck

so its both discard and exhaust?

[raven dove]

you have to use 2 damage skilsl and it becomes a card

decent card too

bro how my units not even epi all their skills before 2nd boss

?????????

??????????

surely extra large

[raven dove]

finally

only took about 8 runs, maybe i will get a good deck now

[mild sky]

giga bloat of ell

[raven dove]

wutda

check him pc

[woeful forge]

Nice.

60 pulls for these 2. Not bad

[main falcon]

Where mine

[raven dove]

wf

wtf

[lament isle]

veronica anti synergy sadeg

[raven dove]

wait yeah

FK

works vs last boss i guess because he always steals her upgrade

[wooden eagle]

whats a good NTR comp with owen

i need to build him

[peak torrent]

prob suppporting haru

[wooden eagle]

dont have haru

[peak torrent]

I mean he'sjust a support for units who only hit 1 time really hard

u can also prob build him to support kayron

[wooden eagle]

dont have kayron either

[peak torrent]

but u prob dont use kayron

cuz he's sss tier

[wooden eagle]

i'll just wing it and find something to use

[peak torrent]

:^)

[wooden eagle]

i'll make owen the main I refuse to keep him as support

he's the leading man

[peak torrent]

oh maybe like

beryl?

[wooden eagle]

true I only use gimped comps

[peak torrent]

u could beryl own orlea

that probably is pretty good

use owen to double beryl hits

[wooden eagle]

oh yeah I could try that

thats probably the proper one to do

[peak torrent]

you got orlea?

that's probably good comp

u can double beryl and orlea hits

and its 2 women

[wooden eagle]

okay well thats the proper build

now I need to think of a meme owen main build

[peak torrent]

https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/01K920RZ7QHTGVX4TAP987QMB3/4x.avif

I mean owen really u just want to spam wind charge

most his other cards suck

[wooden eagle]

true

i'll wing it and see what I can do

[peak torrent]

break armor is ok i guess

everything else sucks

[main falcon]

I would test Ow*n........ If I had the resources and gears.

[split cipher]

and baldness

[south marsh]

Owen dps works well with rei and mika, owen basic attack if invested with rei buff can hit like a truck, but im not playing him dps until max dupe

Mika is good to help you spam owen cards, one of his shield card epihany is bring back 2 of his cards from discard do extra ap is nice

[ionic stream]

It's great honestly, it's pretty funny watching it find the worst play

[south marsh]

Never let ai use nia or cassisus

[lament isle]

at least they dont use Finale cards early anymore lol

[ionic stream]

They shouldn't put any effort into the ai, rather they make playing the game better than make more autoing shit

Auto should just be for content that's so braindead that even when you do the worst plays it's still a cake walk

[lament isle]

yeah i dont mind the AI being retarded as long as it's not TOO retarded

like the finale thing before they fixed it was bad

[fast lodge]

Watching cassius use joker to grab the literal same most useless card in my deck every time

[south marsh]

I dont mind auto anymore now that my rin is maxed, you can stat diff content with decent gear

[ionic stream]

Oh yeah finale cards ending your turn is kinda fucked

[craggy steeple]

AI friendly decks where you just spam 0 cost aoe exhaust cards

[fast lodge]

If auto just focused on using attack cards it’ll be instantly 10 times better

[south marsh]

Doesn't ai prioritize skills and high cost cards first?

Kahlipe works well with ai

[fast lodge]

Maybe heals first cause it LOVED using that Mika finale heal first thing even if its 0 cost

[south marsh]

Yeah it uses upgrades then skills then attacks

[lament isle]

I think the key is we shouldn't have to make a different deck solely for autos, as long as it's achieved it's "ok" to me

[ionic stream]

but it's also funny how it finds the worst play

[lament isle]

maybe not optimal but i can live with it

[south marsh]

It is annoying that mika water epihany the best one is - 2 stress but useless outside of chaos

So sometimes you actively dont take good epiphanies because their bad with auto or outside of chaos

[ionic stream]

I don't really play enough, game's so time consuming, but to me it's good enough, just overpower content and it doesn't matter how poor the plays are

[short rune]

also ai on orlea using retain skill on non-retain cards

[lament isle]

game is crazy time consuming but dailies are fast thankfully, when you don't have time for chaos

can be faster with better AI but it is what it is

[ionic stream]

It's as time consuming as a real video game 💀

[short rune]

yeah at least chaos runs aren't part of dailies

and they don't cost energy

[lament isle]

unlike a certain "rogue like" with a big patch recently

[short rune]

just money tho

[south marsh]

I wont say game is time consuming because the daily part at max takes 30 mins, maybe 3 hours of weekly of new event but all the time consuming stuff is not time gate

[lament isle]

if you dont include chaos daily is literally 5 minutes

[south marsh]

The good thing about weekly is it progresses even if you loose

[lament isle]

ok 10 minutes because the auto is dog

[short rune]

just do ur chaos runs on the weekend if ur busy on the weekdays

[south marsh]

My game isn't running on phone it keeps giving a network error

[craggy patrol]

man

i am really enjoying the zero system stuff

but i cant be bothered doing story and all the other modes lol

[lament isle]

the story sux anyways

[craggy patrol]

now i just need a char i wanna main

[fast lodge]

goddam stove just having strokes now not even launching

[hazy nebula]

how are you guys always having issues with stove

the only issue that i have with stove is that the game takes 10 seconds to launch the game

and thats all

wtf

since when did they change outbreak of war into initiatio

n

[craggy patrol]

lil bro on autopilot

[hazy nebula]

havent played anyone with outbreak of war lately

[craggy patrol]

wacchu play?

[hazy nebula]

yuki rei mika nia

the last 2 days

none of them have outbreak of wer

war

i guess mika has one

but i didnt notice

[uncut apex]

yuki dupes worth ?

[hazy nebula]

no yuki isnt that good with the current content

[uncut apex]

damn i thought cleave was meta

[hazy nebula]

the enemies arent an issue

its the floor bosses

[craggy patrol]

i cleave with magna

[uncut apex]

[hazy nebula]

and floor bosses are single target

[uncut apex]

thanks thanks

ill save up for next banner then

[craggy patrol]

we're going magna, amir, mika now

i think magna, amir, mari is a bit overkill

[wooden eagle]

my issue with this shit client is it keeps on playing the dev youtube videos

apart from that is okay

good client thank you czn devs

[craggy patrol]

worth

[thin gate]

family guy ass pose

[wary needle]

the other thing is if they r going out their way to block emulators then it should have keyboard short keys and stuff

[thin gate]

true lmao

i have to pause that shit everytime

[south marsh]

Her dupe 2 and 4 is good

[thin gate]

i'm not sold on dupe 2 tbh

[craggy steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kazuma-kiryu-goro-majima-disco-friday-gif-16566350

time to catch up on all ze content

[thin gate]

saw this image floating around

[hazy nebula]

Yes

They wrote it in game

All this guy did was copy it and watermarked it

[craggy patrol]

u need acc lvl 40 to build a deck that isnt complete garbo huh

you really cant pick anything

equip doesnt increase cost?

[lament isle]

apparently not

[wooden eagle]

it does not

[lament isle]

in the end im coming back to meilin/veronica

doesnt help that the first boss in the event is red too

[sweet remnant]

better

[fast lodge]

https://x.com/ItsChairEdits/status/1988906276634464282

Chair (@ItsChairEdits)

Just discovered they fade character's individual pieces out in chaos zero nightmare

So you get shots like this

X · Nov 13, 2025, 9:46 AM

[thin gate]

https://page.onstove.com/chaoszeronightmare/en/view/11261625?boardKey=139238&combined=false

patch notes

[wooden eagle]

nice

[lament isle]

devs escuchando

must be some korean pressure they can do some good if they're not just focused on Ow*n stuffs

[fast lodge]

nothing about yuki

[wooden eagle]

oh well

she cant have it all

[charred vortex]

I bet they don't care about owen stuff they just apologize and ignore it later

also smilegate is good at white screen apology

lost ark and e7

very fit the company name

always smile

[thin gate]

shes fine

stop whining

@fast lodge someone else shared this in another discord

take it as you will

some people now complaning about that dark regular mob fucker that hits you 15 times

since the devs got around to nerfing hasan

[fast lodge]

they probably expected it seeing as they nerfed her numbers just before release

[thin gate]

they'll make her into the new ML vildred (post buff)

but hotter

[fast lodge]

[thin gate]

prydwen moment

[fast lodge]

which is which

top is chaos?

[main falcon]

that's for basin

[broken lily]

@main falcon has leveled up! (33 ➜ 34)

[main falcon]

bot is chaos

[lament isle]

hasan nerf is actually quite good, he's still deadly but not run ending

in line with all late game mobs (maybe slightly stronger still)

[thin gate]

ye it was good

just dont agree w nerfing the meat beatstick dark ele guy thingie

that buffs itself turns 1 and keeps trying to nuke you afterwards

but loses his buff for each hit it takes

[lament isle]

yeah the devs need to put their feet on the ground, can't just nerf everything cos of skill issue

[thin gate]

or buff everything

like if they end up tweaking yuki in the future due to playrates or some bs sure

but rn after players whining their coomer character cant deal damage when shes clearly meant to be aoe

and she'd be broken doing haru levels of damage but on area

its just silly

"but she needs drawing" hop off mika and vero then fuckass

god forbid a card game tries to add synergy among the cast

[lament isle]

not having the new chaos immediately catering to her is a choice ngl, i mean it's good that i don't get fomoed into trying her immediately but as a company surely you want to do that

[raven dove]

Vero best draw in game what

[south marsh]

Well you had cry babies like jena complain about it even tho i have never died to it

[thin gate]

vero is the best draw in the game because she does 15 other things

but if you go drawing cards only then cassius is her best partner by a mile

[raven dove]

Bro both her cards draw 2

What u mean

One is for the other 2 combatants

She's good because she gives you draw and does dmg on top not the other way around

[craggy patrol]

you forgot brainded

[raven dove]

Hopefully that robot girl is a support that gives ap

Mika so shit half the time

[craggy steeple]

i heard some mf in my class boot up this game

[thin gate]

deillang

more like DEIlang, fucking wokies

cant accept being 1 off removal

[raven dove]

Feel like the only removal we can get half the time is from events in this shit

[hoary sluice]

Y r u laughing he’s you

[craggy steeple]

i'm a good student

[raven dove]

Thank god they are making the new chaos better

But you on discord in class

[sweet remnant]

so dont take these if i hope to get good save data right?

they cost too much

[peak torrent]

yes

[sterile snow]

I still don't get what enhanced is

[thin gate]

epiphany I believe

[fast lodge]

sounds like upgrade card to me

[sterile snow]

I can't tell if what I draw was random or it was because it's enhanced

[peak torrent]

it draws a card so its good

[charred vortex]

soon

u jinx yourself

if you play with yuki

[sweet remnant]

that was such a helpful picture

i should read the stuff they post more often

[thin gate]

I cant draw non warrior supports

(ignore bria)

[wary needle]

i think its fine? I even hear tressa dps matches hugo in their team

it seems like hugo carries but its far from it

[raven dove]

Depends on what one, that one no

[south marsh]

Upgrade cards

[south marsh]

Why would you ever buy a 2 cost attack single target card with anchor as an option

[south marsh]

Common sense isnt common

[raven dove]

Most people just copy streamers or go on reddit but can't even understand why things are good

Wutda free crystal

[thin gate]

booba

[raven dove]

Must of been left behind in those massive gigantic huge... Pockets

[wary needle]

can forbidden cards epiph?

[sterile snow]

what lvl Judas u guys on

[wary needle]

still 6

[raven dove]

Not sure i only gotten 2 in 18 runs

[sterile snow]

I don't think I can beat it unless I make a save with wanderer of void or pull khalipe

[raven dove]

And half the time my cards dont even get epi'd

[wary needle]

it sux cus im psure from 7 its 100% 2 drops. 6 is still rng

just got this and a god epiph would be nice but looks like we cant

[sterile snow]

People with haru prob bing chilling

why they gotta make that idiot blue weakness

dark is supposed to beat light

[thin gate]

my beryl can smoke him well

[fast lodge]

I'd like to use beryl or my new haru but leveling to 60 and gearing

[raven dove]

Idk i use Rin and haven't had a problem with any content

[wary needle]

so close

wheres the free copy choice occurance

[thin gate]

nice 2 cost basic

[raven dove]

Finish every run in blue gear too gotta love it

[short rune]

idk if the strat is to just give her a bunch of aggressive mutants

she hits quite hard when all the damage increases stack

the freezing blade upgrade options they gave me were all dogshit

[fast lodge]

ngl can we have a pin on this ?

[short rune]

i wonder wouldn't this work well with owen?

[mild sky]

man that card looks ass

[craggy patrol]

i wanna see the epi

but epis 404 this run

well.... LOL

[wary needle]

this save is from the event right?

[short rune]

Yeah

[wary needle]

where do u get the 3rd copy?

mid boss last boss and

[short rune]

either another event or shop, i forgot ngl

[fast lodge]

ah yeah neutral cards only get generic epiphenies don't they

[wary needle]

oh im blind

i thought u replicated mutant twice

[craggy patrol]

i mean with reis buff it was 206% or smth x 5 at least

• agony

[wary needle]

🥀

[short rune]

That one event wherein u can keep getting neutral cards (3 times) is really good

[fast lodge]

goddam yeah rei would go dummy crazy with that card

[fast lodge]

I got that in my last run and lost on the first 5 roll one

[short rune]

When u reroll the die and it keeps giving u omega low rolls

[raven dove]

When you need a 5 and get lower 4x in a row

Got a achievement for it

Also that wep you got if you fail the roll those bosses will literally end your run most of the time

[wary needle]

[mild sky]

man this last diff in the new chaos requires you to create decks to clear the run instead of running it for save data

i barley reached the 2nd floor boss just getting fortitude weakness debuff

[wary needle]

fortitude is like the top 3 debuffs i avoid

[wooden eagle]

i'd rather that than the other way around

[sweet remnant]

bold to assume i bought it, it replaced her weakest basic attack for free

also wow

that is a nice ego

[south marsh]

2 more upgrades and wife is complete

[wary needle]

🧎‍♂️

[short rune]

[wary needle]

Actually got a response to my rant on 4pc gear

but its just a generic statement

[sweet remnant]

it's a nice generic message at least

committing to actually getting your feedback to their balance team

[hazy nebula]

get him king

show smilegate who the boss is

[sharp patrol]

Did they patch or not yet

[raven dove]

we won!!!!!!!

jk it just gave me a card because i dont have all my cards yet gg

[hazy nebula]

was that card shit?

[raven dove]

it was just a card i didn't have epi

usually it gives god epi

[hazy nebula]

is there a way to abuse this?

seems like you're just rolling a dice and hoping you get a good bottom card

for a trash card

i guess if its the only card left it could work

[raven dove]

yeah haven't even drew it yet to see

yeah its trash

[hazy nebula]

a lot of boss cards are garbage

way too expensive for the cost on save data

[raven dove]

bro

killing myself on boss

why do bosses have affix

[hazy nebula]

zero systems farming chaos orbs

and suddenly you get that cthulu guy

[raven dove]

my whole deck was poisoned + i had -50% hp

from map

literally killed myself

[hazy nebula]

yeah and they dont really give you anything for killing them

so it feels really shit

running yourself into death for like 20 credits

[raven dove]

don't think i've ever seen a boss with a mod before wetf

wtf

did they just add that or something

where my free re roll

[hazy nebula]

i think in this season content the floor boss can have mods

[raven dove]

i've done 19 runs and this is the first time i've seen it tho

have you had a end boss with an affix?

[hazy nebula]

lacari just had his last run ended by one

[raven dove]

bro was it poison on the first guy?

that shit even int's the evasion gear

[hazy nebula]

oh nvm his last was that stupid explosive frog

but i saw one of his runs with that big white giant thing

[raven dove]

Yeah i just fought him and he had poison

legit killed myself before he moved my hp

[fast lodge]

full run without an epiphany on subdue wtf man, would've been a real nice deck

[wary needle]

ive seen lac get it like 3 times now

never got it yet

[raven dove]

yeah same

literally just got it last run

don't understand how I never got it before now lmao

[sterile snow]

https://page.onstove.com/chaoszeronightmare/en/view/11261625

DEVS LISTENED

[hazy nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/fuckthedevs-gif-5361234939452003277

[raven dove]

[fast lodge]

@hazy nebula @ionic stream can we get a pin on this ?

[hazy nebula]

im not a mod

honestly

they shouldnt need the players to keep track of these

noob devs

[raven dove]

@hazy nebula hello mod?!?!?!

[hazy nebula]

they should have put something like this in the game

[raven dove]

should just add the ammount on the card

[fast lodge]

Dang I wasn't sure if you could or not

[raven dove]

or that yeah

[hazy nebula]

and then when you do any action that will need to update the count

when trying to change something

that green will adjust to show how much it changes the value

you have to always assume the players are stupid

and you want to make it was easy to understand as possible

[raven dove]

ok this poison shit unplayable if you get - max hp lmao

use one card - 300 hp

[hazy nebula]

minus max hp is brutal

actually unplayable

[raven dove]

I was doing it but that was until I got gaped by the dumb ass poison shit twice lmao

think you need a shielder for sure for that

[hazy nebula]

idk how you play with negative hp

shit just ends you in like 3 turns

[wary needle]

patched? or rng?

the chaos worlds always had the copy option

[raven dove]

think there's 2 versions of that

[wary needle]

another layer of rng

[raven dove]

i dont mind rng but it doesn't feel enjoyable to even do the content compared to zero

[hazy nebula]

yeah zero systems is definitely the superior content

but they are fixing up the season content so thats good

[wary needle]

Gotta take note from poe

where the new season is op to farm introducing new abilities with increased drop chance

and then when the season ends, balance it and put it into the base game

[raven dove]

i mean i like the new gear and cards, you just never see them and you also don't even get copy/epi at all

[hazy nebula]

yeah thats what they are trying to improve

the new cards

and epiphany

chance

maybe they should increase the odds of the new cards being in the shop

[sterile snow]

Me when I take the 30% discount on forbidden cards fate and it doesn't even show up

[raven dove]

tru

[hazy nebula]

this card is kinda goated

fortitude is from epiphany

[wooden eagle]

perma fortitude is always welcome

[raven dove]

ruh roh

[hazy nebula]

fun time

[raven dove]

max (3) stacks btw

[hazy nebula]

shes stacking

[raven dove]

[hazy nebula]

i really dont like how they made outbreak of war into initiation

people are going to read Inititive and Initiation wrong

[raven dove]

people read in this game?

[hazy nebula]

i mean at least outbreak of war is completely different to inititive

at glance

[raven dove]

yeah I agree with you but people in this game complain about everything

[hazy nebula]

readers out!

[amber totem]

bruh whys my lv 50 team dying in the level 30 Lab0 dungeon

[hazy nebula]

who did you take in

the season chaos is harder than zero systems

cause you dont get as many epiphanies

[amber totem]

orlea beryl vero

probably skill issue

[hazy nebula]

possibly

but it is harder than zero systems though

[lament isle]

should be initiation and lead if we are going for clarity

[hazy nebula]

maybe you got spoilt on zero systems goodies

[lament isle]

although outbreak of war went so hard they should've kept it

[hazy nebula]

Heaven vs celestial

[lament isle]

do they have no singular english speaker in their company or some shit

this reminds me of reverse 1999

[hazy nebula]

idk but every patch it changes

[wooden eagle]

finally account level 50

i can complain about resources alongside everyone else now

renoa dupe

owen dupe?!

[hazy nebula]

thats the spirit

[wooden eagle]

[raven dove]

[hazy nebula]

how come they cant even keep things consistent

[wooden eagle]

what do you mean

[hazy nebula]

1 time per turn

1 time for each turn

[wooden eagle]

oh right

[raven dove]

[craggy steeple]

this zero system is like permanent stuff right you can do whenever n not be penalized for it?

[hazy nebula]

yes

[main falcon]

[hazy nebula]

just get the reward before it rolls over

which is a long ass time

[main falcon]

Did they patch the event already?

[raven dove]

no

[hazy nebula]

they havent released an update date

[sweet remnant]

wtf

[main falcon]

[sweet remnant]

oh

its all red

trust

[main falcon]

This boss is already difficult in itself

But it also got a buff

[sweet remnant]

i lived

[hazy nebula]

you buffed the shit out of that boss

[lament isle]

Damn I got wiped in difficulty 6 nightmare in the event

This one guy hits for 1k

[lament isle]

Ok I survived the next run

Weekly 8k/8k

I guess i just wait for the patch for further event runs

https://old.reddit.com/r/ChaosZeroNightmare/comments/1oxikqp/1115_sat_update_notice/ oh it's soon apparently

[wooden eagle]

cool

so maint in one hour?

[lament isle]

Yeah 46 minutes

[craggy steeple]

bruh this indi game

[wooden eagle]

yeah i'll just clear out some battle missions

[craggy steeple]

erm, another maint?

how long's this one? still need to do a couple event chaos runs

[wooden eagle]

an hour they say

[lament isle]

1 hour maint to apply zero system buffs into chaos, add new difficulties etc.

[wooden eagle]

theres a lot of stuff changed

items buffed, cards buffed etc

[lament isle]

I honestly don't even mind not having zero system buffs in the event, but I guess it feels bad

Nice not having to choose between zero system and event tho

They added more epiphany options to events which is nice

It was questionable to reduce amount of epiphanies vs what we are used to

[sterile snow]

NOOOOOOOO

i was about to use 320 energy

[craggy steeple]

finished weekly limit for event chaos literally just in time

[wooden eagle]

just use it in an hour when the game totally comes back up

emergency maintenance definitely wont have an emergency extension

[wooden eagle]

oh its up

[lament isle]

yaay

Low lvl event chaos is so ez now because of zero system buffs

[hazy nebula]

so they basically removed all the shitty decrease stress

into epiphanies

good

damn they buffed the goat upgrade

love it when i use the upgrade and the next turn my 7 AP kayron aoe is 0 cost

i like how they buffed the 4 piece sets like the numbers werent good

im pretty sure its cause of the activation conditions

[wary needle]

ty

[sterile snow]

damn that card is pretty good

just get that ring that uses random lead

[hazy nebula]

its an upgrade

so only need to use once

[sterile snow]

yeah but it saves you 2 or 1 ap when u draw it

[hazy nebula]

thats true

is there a way to remove the glow from animated cards?

i would like it animated but not with the glow

[main falcon]

Wtf is this?

They gutted my boy

[hazy nebula]

you die in 4 turns

instead of 3 turns

[mild sky]

its actually a nice change

makes retain teams have more time to setup

[hazy nebula]

why is yuki so loud wtf

did they not equalize the volume?

shes like 3-4x louder than the other 2 characters

[ionic stream]

🗣️ ) ) ) )

[mild sky]

bato

[wary needle]

🦇

[hazy nebula]

its the classic ras from ebicseben

[wary needle]

oh they buffed the sets, yall can thank me

real talk tho i was asking for more of a rework not just buffs

but sure, bigger numba can solve a problem sometimes

[craggy steeple]

Battou

[wooden eagle]

battou

[main falcon]

Bat?

[thin gate]

wdym the sets

[short rune]

the 4 piece attribute sets

memory fragments/gear

[thin gate]

poggers

[south marsh]

Only the order set is good

[hazy nebula]

send them very angry messages

imagine rolling for crit

and then it doesnt crit

🦆 🚬

[fast lodge]

wow this is nothing lol

[wooden eagle]

umm he said you're WELCOME

thank him mother fucker

[hazy nebula]

its a 5% increase

[fast lodge]

the issue wasn't the numbers but the stupid restrictions tailored to 1 character for each set

[hazy nebula]

thats like a 30% overall increase

but yeah its not the number its the condition of activation

[fast lodge]

I like how order got a bigger buff cause they slapped an extra 5% on all of them without thinking

oh nvm its 2 times max now

[wary needle]

yea its the only one tht got a rework

[fast lodge]

might be alright now for yuki using low cost deck then

[wary needle]

the void set just needs to add card creation to its trigger condition id say

[fast lodge]

does rin exhaust/create? its the one void unit I dont have

[wary needle]

same caught

[fast lodge]

[wary needle]

also this 1 turn shit sux start making 2-3 turn buffs

otherwise it gotta go the hoyo route and make these dmg% effects permanent 2pc effects with a conditional 4pc effect

after all the director admires hoyos excellence

[fast lodge]

also holy fuck you're telling me i gata waste 60 energy on each stage to unlock the max? why the fuck doesn't it auto unluck with level?

[wary needle]

[main falcon]

Yes

[wooden eagle]

a very unproductive day of chaos running today

think i'll just resource grind for the rest of the week

[craggy patrol]

ive played such a good rin deck damn

sadly that its not gonna get saved

fosho

[south marsh]

Her dupe 2 is exhaust + create

[craggy patrol]

xD

sadly no epi on anni and black dance

but that cycling with portrait of fury is nasty

[south marsh]

Are all 4 piece conditional in hoyo gear system? I dont remember zzz gear sets being this bad

[south marsh]

Is overwhelm draw back not annoying?

[craggy patrol]

helped me with aoe tho

[south marsh]

Unless you get rei snack in hand with them, thats 2 burden cards in deck

[craggy patrol]

rei for sure

wasnt really getting anything good on her tho

its a decent basic at least

kinda bummer that i can only run diff 3 or smth

cuz i'm too low lvl

i really like the sustain with orlea

2 sturdie in hand is so good

[south marsh]

Hmm sustain is usually not a problem with mika

[craggy patrol]

well its either or yea

orlea for blade dance and mika for annihilation i'd say

[south marsh]

So now that i finally discovered how to differentiate additive and * multipliers on cards

Rin has too many * multiplier cards

[fast lodge]

yeah for alot of recent ones
Its either a 4 piece set that is conditioned for X version units or 4 piece set designed for literally a singular unit

Miyabi set in zzz is most blatent shit

[south marsh]

She has * on her 0 cost epiphany, on her annahilation eiphany and also the during dark mist *50% upgrade that can be dupes

If you dupe it 3 times your giving every rin attack 2.5x its kind of absurd

[craggy steeple]

zzz sounds fun rn but icant afford another gacha,

and that they been producing sleeper units after miyabi

[wooden eagle]

pay for czn instead

[craggy steeple]

cant afford time for it though i think i wont be spending any money on hoyogames anytime soon either

[charred vortex]

ZZZ is chill game only fun is spending money

all of their end game just chasing highest score and shit

also recycle events just like wuwave

[sweet remnant]

no channel for reverse 1999 huh

is that game good f2p

[craggy patrol]

was back then at least

[remote pagoda]

yes

[south marsh]

So divine epihany on neutrals also has the 10 normal epiphany cost so its 30 for divine epiphany not 20

[south marsh]

Now that im fighting judas with a well built unit, he is pretty fair if you respect his gimmick, even without any action counter delay

[sterile snow]

guess im just noob...

his basic attack does 700 and the punishing one does 900

and i got 1200 hp

[south marsh]

Maybe your def is quite low

[south marsh]

I only took 500 dmg

[south marsh]

Im going all in yuki to prove a point (surely not bricking my account)

[short rune]

im doing that too

no money to upgrade

[sterile snow]

what difficulty I'm stuck 7

[south marsh]

I did 7th as well was my final attemot

[hazy nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-scheming-plan-gif-10212416

[wary needle]

https://tenor.com/view/depression-black-hole-h-hpeless-ness-gif-10287222

[peak torrent]

I only upgraded for main stat

[hazy nebula]

im the lucas guy

https://tenor.com/view/wah-gif-2764573323952388777

tressa is pretty strong

[hazy nebula]

YAY

i can finally play orlea

😳

ok

so they changed inititive back to lead?

is this bugged to not update the values?

it show that value

[wooden eagle]

what do you mean

[hazy nebula]

used that on it and it still stayed the same

[wooden eagle]

the retain heals you

it doenst buff the heal

[hazy nebula]

ooooh

i thought it stacks onto it

and you heal when you use it

i see

[wooden eagle]

its a shield but if you leave it in hand it'll heal

[hazy nebula]

ah ok that makes sense then

that means sturdie is kinda broken to just hold on forever

free heals

[wooden eagle]

yeah its pretty good

[wooden eagle]

considering

[raven dove]

hmmge

[sweet remnant]

finally

i cleared a zero system run

got some decent save data out of it too

sneering dagger consecrated halo 3x vulture ejection tackle and ap generating greatsword

finally got a 3 ap mika too

also with morale and ego buffs

and immunity generating armor

i can't complain about any of that it's all good

those two save datas allowed me to clear chapter 4 hard with 18 stars

[hazy nebula]

what is initiation again

is that lead?

[main falcon]

Outbreak of war

[hazy nebula]

i thought that was inititive

i guess thats lead

[main falcon]

Btw they reverted initiative back to lead

[hazy nebula]

they should have just left it as outbreak of war and lead

stupid devs

[main falcon]

But there's that pyramid thing that still says initiative lmao

[wooden eagle]

this very conversation is why it was good to separate it as outbreak of war and lead

but

[hazy nebula]

i think outbreak of war and lead are good enough key words

i think they wanted to change outbreak of war cause its too long

the real problem isnt changing the key words, it was making 2 key words VERY similar

INITItive INITIation

and they both do almost the same thing

[main falcon]

Oh nvm they fixed it

[hazy nebula]

a mechanic to do with doing it on turn 1

or first thing of the turn

[sweet remnant]

from standard im missing magna, rin, orlea, veronica, hugo, and kayron, assuming i don't get any of them before 300 which should i get as guarantee? I'm getting pretty close to it

[hazy nebula]

another 5* soon

https://tenor.com/view/oooo-ahoklollmao-gif-8289321355786879775

[sweet remnant]

soon is so far away 🙁

oh wait you get 20 for reaching level 50

nvm soon is pretty close

i'm 49

[sweet remnant]

if it helps answer this these are my current units

[lament isle]

The one we have now initiation and lead is fine, but outbreak of war goes so hard though

Should've kept it

[hazy nebula]

celestial to heaven

and back to celestial cause it sounds way better

[lament isle]

I still dunno why they call it celestial or heaven, mandate of heaven type shi?

But it is hard to explain with 1 word so I think it's fine to invent a new term for it

[hazy nebula]

im not too sure where celestial came from

so uhhhh whats the purpose of the first one

the 2nd one is just more damage even if they have 0 agony

[sweet remnant]

always hit weakness is nice but 2nd one is better yeah

[wooden eagle]

always attack weakness just means its a weakness attack I thikn

[wary needle]

able to record fighting the boss in chaos with kayron?

theres no good vid of him in that mode, Idk if i wanna lvl 55 him or tressa

[wary needle]

im at 250 and already lvl 50, so cooked. I regret spending the rest of my pulls on the scam banner when i already got a 5* in 10

[sweet remnant]

oneshot lol

[sweet remnant]

its just teaching you to have patience, thats all these gacha banners are

[hazy nebula]

orlea heals so much once you get going

shesh

[hazy nebula]

hes a ramping character

you have to take 3-4 turns to ramp up

he doesnt have infinite damage like mei lin or renoa

[wary needle]

just now saw some goofy setup with him and the 5* standard weapons ego skill

[sweet remnant]

that's a lot of god epiphanies

could have done without the heavenly judgment but it's not a bad card i guess

[wary needle]

but it doesnt seem practical. You need to use all the create futility cards before u pull annihilation and black hole

cass could help pull black hole back out of discard pile. The whole set up needs to be done before u shuffle

[raven dove]

wtf

where instinct 1 cost unit

[hazy nebula]

save for future unit

this comps pretty good

wtf

end turn -> proc retain for heal to create daggers -> keep daggers for next turn

cause it already passed the discard phase

[raven dove]

damn dagger got retain

oh

[hazy nebula]

the discard phase is immediately after clicking end turn

and the retain procs after the discard phase

[wary needle]

the maint is in 2 hours right

[sweet remnant]

um okay

what even is this damage

[wary needle]

classic hunger

[raven dove]

[wooden eagle]

what maint

extra things that were done on the last patch

so westmacott is multiplicative huh

[wary needle]

nvm theres no date, its just a list of changes they plan to do
https://page.onstove.com/chaoszeronightmare/en/view/11261625

[wooden eagle]

a lot of these changes were done on yesterdays patch

[craggy steeple]

damn magna's scream during her mental breakdown

[hazy nebula]

tressa hugo orlea goes brrr

[craggy patrol]

i play tressa, orlea, rei

thats fun too

[hazy nebula]

im missing 1 more upgrade for tressa

didnt have enough AP on turn 1

also i should change their partner to a heal partner

if i had heal partners i could probably chain 6 more daggers on top

the problem is the 10 card hand limit

if i put on my 3rd upgrade for tressa

[sterile snow]

no eloise

[hazy nebula]

i have eloise

but i dont use tressa that often

[sterile snow]

that does look pretty hugely get some dot subs

extra damage on hugo

[hazy nebula]

yeah my gear is non-existent

if someone had better gear it would do a lot more

just a lot of dagger

[sterile snow]

definitely t0 for a reson

[wary needle]

basic healing cards being effective is low key real good

[craggy steeple]

is scarab best 2 pc rn?

[hazy nebula]

no

it depends on the character

[craggy steeple]

[lament isle]

I beat crab difficulty 8 with 100 HP left

Difficulty 9 I think I need a cracked Veronica with giant ballista

[hazy nebula]

testicles room

[hazy nebula]

the testicles enemies killed me

[raven dove]

scarab best 2 piece for mika smile

yeah prob hardest elite in game rn

[ionic stream]

which is better for magna?

oh the burger ego skill draws 1 and costs 2. that seems good

[lament isle]

burger draw is goat

[ionic stream]

man i wish they didnt go so overboard on the fan service. yuki doing anything at all and her tits are literally in your face every other card thats used

[wooden eagle]

you play horizon walker you should be used to this

[lament isle]

so uh how do you change the curse card into buffs?

just beat the end stage boss?

ah right indeed it's like that

can we bring the card outside of chaos tho

ok i should've shut up yes you can

[hazy nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/aris-avoiding-the-puddle-atp-honk-honk-gif-12900312540980153573

[lament isle]

i tried a few diff 9 runs without mika it's so rough

just lost HP halfway through

maybe i should try with kayron instead

want to get rei save data but it's not ez

[timber glade]

did they nerfed this new mode?

did 6 7 8 with no problems at all

[main falcon]

congrats you just got stronger

[wary needle]

leveled up after rest day

[lament isle]

8 is easy now, 9 is kinda crazy

[south marsh]

my first legendary rei build ,other then lack of rally eiphany its good

[peak torrent]

If you want fast ramp you get oath exhaust then u reroll until you have the one that gives 5 futility

Then black hole does 900% dmg turn 2

Then u can ramp whenever u have open ap or use ego to ramp another 5-7 futility

Can also exhaust via snack or w/e card

[sweet remnant]

this fight is insane

never do it

unless you are supremely OP

[charred vortex]

yeah

[charred vortex]

I have an Idea using yuki

she is good with klupie and oreaia the nun

RETAIN