Shadowverse

[blissful olive]

just make no sense to do it this way

[mystic tartan]

[blissful olive]

this their idea of an event

3 packs a day

[mystic tartan]

yeah

[blissful olive]

idc about rewards but like every set should launch with a battle fest kind of thing

[mystic tartan]

they literally hidden the other leader

even tho set coming 2 days

for what

[blissful olive]

well im happy that the BP leader is good

and maybe discard dragon is back who knows

[mystic tartan]

its the Rune one xdd

[umbral seal]

It'll be playable but it's not Lumiore

[blissful olive]

gonna need 2 see the other 2 legos

[umbral seal]

https://shadowverse-portal.com/card/126441030?lang=en

This was broken.

[blissful olive]

oh shes big burn

[umbral seal]

Pretty sure we saw the 2 legenfaries they're getting. They're not getting more

[blissful olive]

what was the other

the storm girl and who

also dont we always get 3 ?

[blissful olive]

oh that guy

yeah hes good

[umbral seal]

Nope.

[blissful olive]

i might be nuts but i swear we gotten 3 legos before

[umbral seal]

I'm not saying these cards are bad. Both are good. But they're not even close to Lumiore

[blissful olive]

well depending on card pack luck i can probably make 2 decks

i will have like 25k vial after refund from nerfs then i think i have around 50 packs saved to open

[mystic tartan]

i have so many vials its crazy lul

[blissful olive]

i would too but i stopped playing for like 2 months

[mystic tartan]

so yeah im not pulling with coins

only with free packs

[blissful olive]

why not coins

what else u gonna do? take 2?

[mystic tartan]

nah im just saving

for collab

[blissful olive]

what collab

[mystic tartan]

prob set 7

[blissful olive]

oh i mean sure

[mystic tartan]

dont know but shadoba usually collab

[blissful olive]

u could save coins forever till like a leader u want come sout ig

then blow it all

i still cant believe i pulled unkei on a single pack

[mystic tartan]

it happens

[blissful olive]

if i get the haven leader tho sheee

ye i also started this game pulling 2 cerby tickets

was so happy

[mystic tartan]

my most luck was pulling 2 galmi

and 1 sinciro

before 100 packs

then its average

[blissful olive]

on my 250 pack

i got full art fucking kuon

smh

[mystic tartan]

WAJAJA

[blissful olive]

garbage ass shit lolo

wish i could turn it into vials this 3 copy shit is so ass

damn she looks hella good

[umbral seal]

This is a tactical error. Cygames is greedy, not stupid.

They're going to drop a collab when people are least expecting it

[mystic tartan]

well i dont know when but ill be there

[umbral seal]

Because they want to convert non-spenders

[mystic tartan]

just gotta save

if its set 7 its fine if its later its fine

[blissful olive]

only way they gonna convert non spenders is if they release like

a god tier leader that sucks ur dick and makes u breakfast

[mystic tartan]

they got @cinder bay

with frieren

[blissful olive]

that forces mentally ill people to drop 500 dollars

[mystic tartan]

-2k

[blissful olive]

lmao

wonder what that fella really doing now

[umbral seal]

I mean, frieren is a very popular anime. It actually got a lot of new people to try the game

[blissful olive]

i want the fate one back

Jalter leader

[mystic tartan]

they actually make loads of money with that frieren collab

[umbral seal]

Correct but they're not going to overuse the collab button

If they're smart, at least

[blissful olive]

space em out every few months or something

we had horses and that shit so far right

[mystic tartan]

gimme free alt style collab

lul

[blissful olive]

hm

[red plover]

wonder what amulets they are gonna add excluding that silver follower

[blissful olive]

hrmge

well the xtals cound as amulets no

not to bring back but they should be able to blow them up

[red plover]

they should count for bringing back as well I thought

[blissful olive]

well they are creatures not amulets

[red plover]

this says they count as amulets when you do that so I would assume you bring them back as well

[blissful olive]

but u can play them as 1

[red plover]

kuncussion would probably know

[blissful olive]

logically it shouldnt

cause it comes into play as one but it also isnt one when it dies

[red plover]

but this text from the old game makes me think it does https://shadowverse.fandom.com/wiki/Crystallize
"Creating/Returning an amulet created by a Crystallize follower to the hand will not return it to being a follower and it will remain an amulet."

[blissful olive]

and in the grave it doesnt exist as an amulet its just a follower

[red plover]

which would mean it becomes an amulet instead to me

[blissful olive]

it does but its not going to the grave as an amulet its a follower

[red plover]

also you saying grave reminded me that theres no actual grave in this game you can look in

when a card gets banished you cant find it anymore

[blissful olive]

yeah

the only thing we got is the log checked destroyed cards etc

[red plover]

yep, pretty annoying sometimes

[umbral seal]

Know what?

[red plover]

if this card can be brought back when it gets played with crystallize

by this card

[blissful olive]

cause its not really an amu

the only way i can see this working is if the game treats them as 2 different cards

[umbral seal]

It would be in the pool because on amulet last words activation, it's in the amulet graveyard

If haven has reanimate

The follower would be eligible as well

[red plover]

thats what I thought

[blissful olive]

yeah in a normal game with a graveyard it wouldnt

but this is sv

[red plover]

it would have been weird to me if they made this card but it wouldnt work with all the other new cards

[blissful olive]

yeah its creating a 2nd card why it works

[umbral seal]

Yeah by yugioh or mtg rules, it wouldn't

[blissful olive]

if it was the same card it wouldnt function

[umbral seal]

But this ain't that

[blissful olive]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-wavy-inflatable-arm-tube-man-gif-3809966

basically lol

[umbral seal]

I don't even remember how revival mechanics work in Hearthstone

Because there's no graveyard there either iirc

[red plover]

summoning that 5/3 with rush and bane over and over is gonna be pretty pog

[blissful olive]

i wonder if discard is gonna actually be good

[umbral seal]

It'll be playable but I doubt it'll be tier 1. That said, still plenty more cards to be revealed

[red plover]

cant wait for skullfane to be finally playable only to be removed next set

[blissful olive]

dragon in general will still be up there id imagine

but i def wanna try the new stuff especially since the new leader

[umbral seal]

Well, egg is going to be tier 1 still imo so it'd be better to revive a constant source of healing, coin out the 9 drop and starting pinging egg down

[umbral seal]

Well, yeah. Most decks just auto die to an early Erntz + any follow up

Hell, discard dragon would probably still run erntz

[red plover]

yea true, still think its gonna see some play at least and its a great card for take 2 and take 2 haven really needs it

that 9 drop finally giving haven a decent win condition as well

[blissful olive]

ofc

erntz is a staple from now on ngl

[red plover]

didnt even realize I had an animated oluon, free premium mats I guess

[blissful olive]

part of me wants to believe i dont die here

but i know its over af

[blissful olive]

this shit old af but still makes unwinnable boards for free

[fading echo]

they made a cthulhu chart for the new expansion

[umbral seal]

Do you not have galm crest up?

At minimum, you can kill the 7/7 with filene so you're not dead on board and not dead to albert sevo

[blissful olive]

nope there was nothing i could do there

[umbral seal]

???

I literally outlined what you could do. Filene SEVO + Ocean Rider saves you from death. Just because you cannot clear the entire board in one turn does not mean you lose

Terrible fucking logic, but not surprising from the person who's quick to concede.

[red plover]

if you play it right isnt there at most 3 damage on the board left

• the heal from the dolphins would have saved you anyway

[umbral seal]

No point trying to explain that to him. He'd rather concede the game instead of accepting a slightly bad position that he can stabilize from next turn

Because my line of play literally stops him from dying to anything except oluon rng

[red plover]

oh yea, oluon could have ended him

[umbral seal]

But even dying from oluon there is far from guaranteed and if I was the sword player, I would not do that.

[blissful olive]

u dont drop him when ur ahead

unless u just wanna coin flip

[red plover]

yea, no point to oluon with that much hp left

[blissful olive]

i just got royally fucked that game if i had gal i coulda easily wiped it

[mystic tartan]

lol u have filene with 10pp

[blissful olive]

she cant clear tho barrier

[mystic tartan]

u sevo her

[blissful olive]

no

[mystic tartan]

u have gran djeeta too

[blissful olive]

i was gonna neptune sevo kill the 2/2s and the 7/7

[mystic tartan]

u can clear that u idiot

no need neptune

[blissful olive]

nah

[mystic tartan]

sevo filene + ocean rider + use the whales to clear soldier (that one soldier dont have ward ) + use filene to kill amelia

[umbral seal]

I literally explained that he can clear the 7/7

[umbral seal]

I already told him this

He's just a shit player, don't bother

[mystic tartan]

LMAOOO

[umbral seal]

3 people, including a person who only plays Haven, outlined a play that saves you from everything except Oluon

[blissful olive]

im a good but lazy player

[mystic tartan]

Amelia magus is not op anymore bro u can clear with many

[umbral seal]

Yet you'll continue to say there's nothing you can do

Worthless

[mystic tartan]

honestly if ur hand is ass i understand

[umbral seal]

His hand isn't ass, though. He can clear the biggest threat and then fully clean up the board next turn, while remaining at a healthy life total.

Can't help fellas like this, though.

[blissful olive]

yeah i know i could neptune and leave 2 on board

[red plover]

I usually concede because I play pretty low tier decks, but this was playable at least

[blissful olive]

i just wasnt about to go through with all that

[mystic tartan]

bro

u dont have to neptune

[umbral seal]

Again, there's no point.

[blissful olive]

why wouldnt i

[umbral seal]

Literally no one told him to Neptune

[blissful olive]

fil cant clear anything but the 7/7

[blissful olive]

so why would i drop that

[red plover]

removes all the barriers though

[umbral seal]

Good player btw

[mystic tartan]

lol she can clear with ocean rider + grand djeeta

[blissful olive]

so i kill 2 with her tops

[mystic tartan]

u clear that 2 ward with ocean rider after u sevo filene

[blissful olive]

then ocean rider wow ok doesnt matter im still fucked lol

[umbral seal]

No, you're not

[sick oasis]

i wish i'm playing against dragon players like you, no flame

[blissful olive]

surely

[mystic tartan]

nvm u can even Neptune+ocean rider lol

[umbral seal]

God, he's so fucking stupid

[mystic tartan]

u got 10 pp omg

[blissful olive]

u just mad cause i dont follow through with shit

i just dont care enough

[mystic tartan]

wait so u just surrend ??

[blissful olive]

if i played that shit out u would be like god joob lol

[umbral seal]

I'm chillin', but I find it slightly frustrating when people self-cuck in very winnable games

If you're going to peace out of a super winnable game like this, why are you playing at all?

[blissful olive]

i was very behind tbh

[umbral seal]

No, you weren't

No one here thinks that except your clown ass

Why do you think that is?

Because you're the only one right?

[blissful olive]

probably because im rage baiting u

[umbral seal]

lol Sure.

[mystic tartan]

[red plover]

just drop the dragon next turn for easy recovery even after albert

[blissful olive]

u know i dont care and will just next

i do this all the time

[umbral seal]

Thinking I'm mad because you choose to concede winnable games is certainly a take

I find it funny, personally.

[blissful olive]

you do seem to get oddly troubled

[umbral seal]

Again, why play at all if you're going to concede games like that?

[blissful olive]

cause i dont want the headache

[umbral seal]

...headache from what?

Using your brain even a tiny bit?

[blissful olive]

if i really wanted to blast and try my hardest every game i could easily be in legend or beyond like everyone else its not that hard lol

like getting masters in MD was a lot more cancer than this game

[umbral seal]

Sure, bud.

[blissful olive]

by far

and u know that lol

honestly this game needs a reward structure to make doing well in ranked worth it

like reset ranks every season end of rank u get a bunch of packs and shit like every other card game

[umbral seal]

You do. If you're top 1k or top 10k in MP, you get rewards

[mystic tartan]

yeah and take two too

[umbral seal]

Specifically, for being top 1k, you get seer's globes and 10 packs

[mystic tartan]

like certain ranks

[umbral seal]

But you wouldn't know this

Because you've never done it

[mystic tartan]

honestly 1k is a chore lol

[blissful olive]

so u have to be in the peak of it to get anything

[mystic tartan]

i take 5k rewards

[umbral seal]

It's not that bad in the 1st month

[blissful olive]

thats not a good structure lol

[red plover]

do you just have to touch 1k or stay in it?

[mystic tartan]

u just hit gm3 and u'll be in top 5k

stay

[red plover]

ah

[umbral seal]

Stay in it by the end of the month

So you have to play a lot daily

Which is something I already do in month 1

Month 2, I'm usually burnt out

[mystic tartan]

im 100k points rn and rank 2.700 something

[red plover]

yea, I cant imagine playing that much, especially since I play with weaker decks

[blissful olive]

lowkey re do ranks in general

[umbral seal]

It's not that hard if you play a tier 1 deck. Specifically something that wins by or before t10

[blissful olive]

groups are stupid to begin with and having things like A1 AA1 like are you kidding me

[red plover]

yea thats what I mean, If was playing something good I could see myself doing it more than with a t3 deck

[umbral seal]

If you dislike groups, all you have to do is hit GM

The system is already there

[blissful olive]

imagine if we just had simple shit

bronze silver gold whatever and u got rewards for ranking up

in MD u get 100 per rank and 200 on group rank up thats like almost 10 packs right there

in sv i think we got like what 200g

bruh its just cygames

they dunno wtf they doing with this

[umbral seal]

MD is more generous. MD also makes less money than SVWB, based on the last sales report that I saw.

So they have no reason to do what MD is doing.

[mystic tartan]

yeah Shadoba is making loads of money cus what they are doing

even tho global players are mad the Japanese keep swiping anyway cus this game cater towards them

[red plover]

asian players love to be milked apparently

[umbral seal]

Just look at any Korean MMO

[red plover]

exactly

[mystic tartan]

[blissful olive]

they eat up any KR slop that comes out

then it dies n they go next

lost ark prob the biggest 1 of that

they should just give u a reason to want 2 grind ranked is all

[umbral seal]

I would argue that if a person only wants to play the game for rewards, they shouldn't play at all. Because to me, that usually means they don't enjoy the game.

Like sure, I get rewarded for being top 1k MP, but that is not the driving force behind why I play. I don't play for animated sleeves. I don't play for gold. I don't even really play for bragging rights. I just enjoy the game.

People who complain about the grind to GM3 also don't enjoy the game. Because the grind to me is nothing.

[blissful olive]

yes and no like every season when i played MD i would go back to master or at least plat

cause of how much shit ur getting

i like the game but am i gonna sit here for hours on end for what exactly

[umbral seal]

To have fun. The reason anyone should play a game.

If I'm not having fun, I log off and do something else

Rewards are irrelevant to me.

[blissful olive]

its not enough for most people

[umbral seal]

It's the reason why I skipped the entirety of month 2 heirs despite buying the premium BP. Sure, I lost money. But I wasn't having fun.

So I didn't play the game.

It's really that simple for me.

[blissful olive]

like the fact that ranking up in this game means nothing is a problem in of itself

new player exp is already probably the worst among ocg's but now they get nothing for playing the game too

[umbral seal]

The new player experience definitely sucks right now and it would be wise of them to add incentives for climbing low ranks at some point

Might even be at the 1 year anniversary, but they will only do it if they feel they need to do so in order to extract more money long term

They're not going to do so out of the goodness of their hearts

[blissful olive]

tbh i dont think you can be a new player and also finish a deck without insane luck

[umbral seal]

@sick oasis What do you think? Considering you're fairly new.

[blissful olive]

but thats also cause the rule of 3 dupes shit they got going on so u cant dust cards

like man i fucking wish i could break my cards im never gonna use like these full art kuons

[red plover]

I am still waiting to be able to use my tickets for something else

[blissful olive]

what tickets

[red plover]

ticket exchange

[blissful olive]

oh honey

u know thats never happening

[red plover]

I am not actually waiting, Im just memeing

I just have no use for them

[blissful olive]

why not

u got like 5 of the same 1?

[red plover]

none for the classes I play

and I dont care for cosmetics that much to begin with

[blissful olive]

yeah thats just a get rnged moment sadly

like me and my kuons

lowkey

i wish they had missions or events etc that gave take 2 tickets

[sick oasis]

wrong person to ask kek. i don't really care about the rewards. i just wanted to play the game specially when they announced the frieren collab

[umbral seal]

Wow, another game enjoyer, imagine that

[sick oasis]

only reason i play card games is cuz of the game itself

[umbral seal]

Anyone else play games for... you know... fun?

[blissful olive]

bro would get in his car drive to work and stay there for 8 hours for free cause its fun

u cant gimmie this bs lmao

[sick oasis]

and i have giga experience when it comes to tcg, so even as a new player in SV i have the general idea on what to do

[umbral seal]

I technically work 8-4 but get out at 2 every day.

I don't enjoy work

[sick oasis]

that's why i giga invested to the deck i chose to play with

[blissful olive]

but when ur paying tho rewards def dont matter

[umbral seal]

But the fact that you're trying to make a comparison between work and a card game

[blissful olive]

so its a moot point

[umbral seal]

Says a lot

[blissful olive]

yeah u can play a game for a game but u also cant say rewards dont matter

[umbral seal]

I'm not saying the rewards don't matter. I'm saying if that's the driving force for why you play, you probably shouldn't play at all. The rewards are a nice bonus. They're not the primary reason for why I play.

Pretty simple.

[blissful olive]

well when new sets or events come out like battle fest im all in and can play for hours

but outside of that theres no way fella gonna sit down for hours for nothing

i superficially need something to work towards

wtf auto correct

[umbral seal]

You say "for nothing", when realistically, playing any game ever is "for nothing". There are far more productive things anyone could be doing IRL instead of playing a video game.

[blissful olive]

yeah but its not the same thing as like

grinding out some shit in an mmo and u get whatever it is and u feel great about it

like if i grinded to legend or whatever in this game what do i actually have to show for it besides ''' i did it ''

this isnt just a me thing either like most games nearly every player is reward driven they playing to get something

the game should be fun on top of that

[umbral seal]

If you're saying there should be a more permanent reward for reaching & staying in Beyond, I would agree with that.

[blissful olive]

like if they were giving out idk 20 packs maybe more idk for the next set if u hit X rank id be on all day doing this shit and playing better

[umbral seal]

Currently, special titles are gated by the Grand Prix and those are very RNG-heavy even if you're playing a t1 deck.

So a special title for reaching & staying in Beyond would satisfy me, personally.

Packs would mean less to me since I can already get everything I want on day 1. Special titles are rare.

[blissful olive]

most do both but yeah

i feel like the games economy and new player exp would instantly improve if ranks just reset each season with rewards

but cygames wont do any QoL stuff probs unless they losing hella money which idk if something like that happened in sv1

afaik JP is just carrying right now

[umbral seal]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Shadowverse/comments/1re0x3d/new_gold_havencraft_follower/

These crystallize cards are looking very good right now.

[blissful olive]

that seems stupid

like 1 xtal to throw it down still

should be a bit more for its power scaling

dont think we saw the 2nd lego also yet

[umbral seal]

Both Haven legendaries have been revealed already

Same for Dragon

[blissful olive]

dont remember the 2nd

just breasts

[umbral seal]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Shadowverse/comments/1rddb29/new_haven_legendaries/

Same thread.

[blissful olive]

oh right the fairy

[umbral seal]

Likely going to be a way to OTK post-lyantoth, meaning a turn 9 kill going 2nd is within the realm of possibility.

Should be able to compete with egg portal if they have good defensive tools + healing.

[blissful olive]

are u gonna buy the leader

[umbral seal]

Probably. She's hot.

[blissful olive]

i think i wont be lucky ever again since i got unkei on a single

[umbral seal]

I didn't care for Unkei or Imari at all. Especially Imari.

She can die in a ditch along with Filene 🚮

[blissful olive]

imari i dont like ya

unkei is a good leader tho

[umbral seal]

She seems good, but not to the point where I want to swipe for her.

[blissful olive]

yeah ofc i would never

500 bucks is insane

[umbral seal]

There hasn't been a portal nor sword leader I've wanted to really get yet. I pulled 2 beel's just by sheer luck.

I only intentionally swiped for Galm, Fediel, Fern & Frieren

I guess I also swiped on release, and thankfully the lucky chest gave me Daria (alt art)

[blissful olive]

since this is JP time im guessing we get set sometime tmr night

[umbral seal]

Probably.

[mystic tartan]

i will someday get Unkei

[mystic tartan]

Destroyer of Thirst
5-Cost Abysscraft Follower

Fanfare: Select an allied follower on the field. Destroy it and evolve this follower.

When this follower evolves, summon a Bat and evolve it.

this looks good

[mystic tartan]

Enhance Sword kek

man this looks like evo sword patch

loot got nothing

sword lego is bad ngl

[mystic tartan]

oh nvm that yidmera can cook

but need to evolve

[umbral seal]

Evo Forest is actually looking really good with the new cards

I think mixing in this enhance support with evo sword will be a bit difficult but it's possible. Golden Knight is an enhance but it's late.

Armes is a very hard handcheck that portal doesn't have good ways to deal with.

He can also be played 6 times if you run 3 of him and yearnful necromancer

Basically, you should try to save your last super evo at all costs until abyss uses theirs

[mystic tartan]

yeah like Randal is possible

Discard Dragon looks fun

[blissful olive]

nodders

[umbral seal]

I'm primarily looking forward to testing out Forest again. Curious about enhance sword. I think Amulet Haven will be one of the strongest day 1 decks.

Building it is very straightforward and lyanthoth puts the game on a very short clock

[blissful olive]

did they already show off the rest of the cards

[umbral seal]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Shadowverse/comments/1re92pn/all_cards_for_apocalypse_pact_have_been_revealed/

You can see everything here

[blissful olive]

dang this nice

yeah evo forest getting nice stuff

enhance sword doesnt seem very good

[mystic tartan]

Yeah

No game changing shit

[umbral seal]

A deck not being tier 1 doesn't equate to being bad. Evo sword isn't that great either. Still capable of hitting Beyond.

I'll be experimenting with it.

Yidmetra's faith being 5 means you can, on average, activate the effect twice per game. 3 times at most. This would put Albert at a 6/8 before evos

He would be 18 damage with SEVO. A full otk with boots.

This is not even bringing up the fact that Noel's enhance 8 pushes damage, heals you and clears most boards

Do y'all need everyone else to think for you?

[blissful olive]

the legos just dont seem good at all

the +1+1 might be alright if u can constantly flood the board or something but the other guy just seems awful

this guy coulda been cool but not for 8 he'll be a good take 2 card prob

this MIGHT be good

jesus yeah haven looks fucked up

everything they have has like fucking rush bane ward or all 3

[mystic tartan]

yeah but u need to evo her

if only there is no evo req

[blissful olive]

abyss looks kinda dookie butt

except the cat that thing is good

like what this is shit lmao

medusa for 9 but u have to sevo it and it has aura sure

but rather run meds atp

[mystic tartan]

that u cant destroy it is huge

also Clash

[blissful olive]

meds was clash too no

this is just like a wilnas situation u cant remove it u lose this thing u cant crash into potential 13 u lose

if i pull him i'll try it but no shot ima craft em

[red plover]

and if you actually manage to kill him, that 3 cost follower can just bring him back

it is enhance 8 but still funny

[blissful olive]

which 1

problem is u still gotta sevo anyways

[red plover]

the new one for abyss

also medusa only has strike, for this guy you have to super evolve or not be affected by abilities to be able to hit him

[blissful olive]

this is prob the dumbest card in the whole set its so stupid lol

[red plover]

its uluon but cooler

[blissful olive]

he cant really end the game tho

unless u got lucky a bunch of times lol

[red plover]

him going infinite is the best part

[umbral seal]

Wrong.

Follower strike and clash are not the same

[blissful olive]

clash works on opps turn too right

[umbral seal]

There are outs to Armes but he is, by far, the hardest hand check in the game. Going to run him in evo as an alt win con.

[umbral seal]

Correct. Follower strike, which is what Medusa has, only works when she attacks

Medusa is comically easy to remove

Armes is not

[blissful olive]

the point of needing to sevo him is just concerning like hes turn 9

[umbral seal]

This is dependent on the board state

[blissful olive]

theres a lot of instances where u need to use points before hand

there is that 1 card that gives back normal evo i think it has a bit of potential

since it can clear board too or at least early aggro

[umbral seal]

Evo abyss is actually very good at conserving evos. Their problem has historically been the fact that Belial is too slow even if you find him in the mulligan

A pure Armes deck is a meme. Armes in evo is very good.

[blissful olive]

ive won a lot of games with billy but u need like shit to be almost perfect

the cat tho is super good id say

[umbral seal]

Belial is too slow even against eggs. I'm usually a turn too late

Portal has the fewest outs to Armes

[blissful olive]

they cant imari bullshit him yeah

are u gonna play ur evo deck now but take out billy or something

[umbral seal]

No, I'd just run both. Belial functions as a board clear as well.

I don't think I'd have room for 3x Armes. Probably 2. Unsure.

I'll experiment.

Probably cut Sandy to 1.

I already was doing that when I was doing the 17 dmg combo with Laura

[blissful olive]

abyss's strongest soldier

[umbral seal]

This Merp person seems like a dumbass

[blissful olive]

abyss really does need a good 2 drop tho

i might try the 2/2 draw 1 LW

[red plover]

that 7 cost steal seems pretty decent too no?

[umbral seal]

It is, but it's very dependent on your opponent having a good steal target. I could maybe fit in 1 copy, but I'd rather have deathslash in most situations.

Stealing an evo Erntz doesn't stop you from dying to follow up

Unless stealing it gives you lethal on that turn

[red plover]

stealing a finisher is gonna feel so good though

[cursive crypt]

is forest good yet

[umbral seal]

Evo forest is looking much better with the new cards.

Every other archetype basically got nothing

Do I think it'll be tier 1? No. Not even sure it'll be t2 but we'll see.

[cursive crypt]

i'll take a look at the cards later

[blissful olive]

forest is looking much better BUT

[cursive crypt]

i do like evo forest

[blissful olive]

u know

ahem

https://tenor.com/view/hand-on-shoulder-akakichi-no-eleven-everything-will-be-ok-my-brother-in-christ-we're-gonna-beat-you-gif-16692013677699419935

[cursive crypt]

ye ik

[blissful olive]

im hoping discard works out

[umbral seal]

Discard will be good. It'll operate as a more aggressive storm deck.

I'm not sure if it'll be t1, though.

[blissful olive]

im sure fan is coming back

[umbral seal]

Well, yeah, it'd be dumb to not run fan.

[blissful olive]

i dont think i would run lux tho

[umbral seal]

Definitely running Yube.

[umbral seal]

His discard effect is way too terrible.

[blissful olive]

yeah its just not enough imo

[umbral seal]

Always been a shit card.

[blissful olive]

id guess fennie has to go

dont think shes gonna fit well into that

[umbral seal]

Fennie does not fit in discard at all, lol.

[blissful olive]

yeah

[umbral seal]

There's massive anti synergy there

[blissful olive]

i just wanna make sure im still running shit like erntz

[umbral seal]

Probably but not at 3.

[blissful olive]

hes just 2 good

id go down to 2 sure but not 1

[umbral seal]

Erntz is a hot woman.

[blissful olive]

give em a alt art with big honkers

[umbral seal]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Shadowverse/comments/1qrtep1/will_we_get_erntz_humanoid_form_as_an_alt_art/

[blissful olive]

shoulda given us that

[umbral seal]

If they sell that shit in the shop, I'm swiping

Without question

[blissful olive]

the shop is honestly lacking in general

we have like the battle fest art and eudie for 100 bucks

[mystic tartan]

yeah if Sword is not that great aka its just loot im probably playing dragon mostly

man reddit is dumb

they fucking have sword bias

[umbral seal]

I mean, no shit. It's the easiest craft to play.

Maybe dragon is easier.

Although I'm curious what comment you saw to make you say that.

[mystic tartan]

i said both sword lego are nothing special

honestly if Yidmera doesnt need an evo i might change that

[blissful olive]

yeah if sword is only loot which it looks like it is

i wont play it very much

[mystic tartan]

loot gonna still be strong

[blissful olive]

yep

i just played it a shit load recently so im kinda done with it for now

[mystic tartan]

well discard dragon it is

[blissful olive]

yerp

[umbral seal]

I mean, you are wrong, though. It will be a solid deck. Do I think it'll surpass loot? Probably not. But it'll be a solid t2 deck.

[mystic tartan]

i expect more

but nah

its nothing special

[umbral seal]

You expect powercreep to a deck that's been t1 since its inception. The devs didn't print loot support for a reason.

Same way they haven't printed roach support since set 2

[mystic tartan]

nah i dont need another loot cards
just expecting more for the so called legos with this new archetype

like that 6pp is not that great

his sevo is mid af

this shit reeks of board flood

[umbral seal]

The SEVO is mediocre but I see him as an Amalia replacement. And Amalia is already a very game-winning card in evo sword. I can tell you haven't played anything except loot very much.

[mystic tartan]

like zirconia moment if u cant clear then u dead i dont like playing like that personally

well this shit aint surpassing loot so why would i even bother i like to hit face is my way of having fun

[umbral seal]

Terrible argument. That's like saying why play anything that isn't a tier 1 deck. That level of argumentation is why you received pushback on reddit.

[mystic tartan]

?

what ?

both lego is nothing special and i stand by it lmao

compared to the others

🥱

[umbral seal]

You don't see how saying "this shit ain't surpassing loot so why bother" is similar to saying "why play anything that isn't tier 1?"

Board floord decks are not popular but they are very viable.

[mystic tartan]

yeah skip

probably trying for a bit

im more interested in discard dragon

especially cus i like the lego

will probably try abyss or forest

i'll just watch my streamer play it tho he will eventually back into loot

[blissful olive]

the buffer has potential

but the other sword lego is fucking ass

hol up

who tf is ur streamer

[mystic tartan]

a jp guy

he plays sword most of the time

like has almost 10k wins on it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaW7pe2Yuus

[blissful olive]

o i think i seen him b4 ye

[mystic tartan]

i matched him once

he got 3 zirconia in a row

i dont have clear

[blissful olive]

lol thats how it goes

zirc can just outright win the game if not checked

[mystic tartan]

yep

[umbral seal]

Not sure if you're talking about Yidmetra or Noel, but you'd run both in the same deck regardless.

[blissful olive]

the 6 drop

like hes just not that good

like borderline bad even

[umbral seal]

That would be Noel, and I've already explained how you would use him: as an Amalia replacement. Enhance Sword would essentially be midrange sword. Except instead of playing Amalia, you play Noel instead to push your faith count up.

[red plover]

is enhance an additional effect or does it replace the normal one? I forgot

[mystic tartan]

replace

oh

additional

i think

[blissful olive]

whatever the ehance is is the whole eff

[mystic tartan]

yeah nvm

whatever the description tells

[red plover]

I c, thanks

[mystic tartan]

like golden knight enhance

[red plover]

ah true

[red plover]

to be fair, the text says "instead" though

[mystic tartan]

well

[blissful olive]

do we know what time set is out

[mystic tartan]

10more hours

[blissful olive]

hmm

damn that sucks

i wanted to order food or something while making decks and opening packs n shit

but everythin gon be closed

[umbral seal]

Again, won't be a top tier deck. Obviously. Should be decent, though. Will refine more after the patch.

[blissful olive]

that 3/2 was a real shit head lol

rose

[umbral seal]

I don't like Rose in general, but the purpose is to avoid situations where Yidmetra is in the bottom half of your deck

[mystic tartan]

not that shit anymore cus u can pull Yidmera with it on enhance

[umbral seal]

Could make it guaranteed by cutting the soldiers but I think the soldiers are necessary for early board presence

Knightly Ardor is there because you want to use evos for Zirc but not use SEVO for Yid

[mystic tartan]

yeah that evo req

[umbral seal]

I find it funny how Sham Nacha doesn't have an evo requirement, while Yid does

[mystic tartan]

[umbral seal]

Anyway, time to theorycraft Abyss

[red plover]

@umbral seal when you enhance noel with 7 or 8, do you get both the fanfare soldier and the enhance one, or just one?

[mystic tartan]

pretty sure just one

[red plover]

most of the other enhance effects say instead though

[mystic tartan]

yeah this one doesnt have instead

[red plover]

like if you enhance blinding faith, you both get the normal effect and the enhance stuff

[mystic tartan]

oh yeah

well idk

[red plover]

same

[mystic tartan]

wording man

so 2 fearless soldier maybe

if enhance

[red plover]

yea, getting 2 soldiers with those effects seems pretty decent

[mystic tartan]

alright so im wrong if that happens

[blissful olive]

if its just one is straight ass

[umbral seal]

It's not one.

You get 3 on enhance 8

[blissful olive]

i would iamgine so

[red plover]

oh, didnt know multiple enhances stacked as well

[umbral seal]

That's why I keep calling him an Amalia replacement

[red plover]

thats really good then

[umbral seal]

If it was only 1 soldier, then yes, it's trash

[blissful olive]

hes not better than amalia which is crazy

wards rush +1+1 on everything he dont come close

[umbral seal]

Well, what makes Amalia better generally is the fact that you can SEVO her and it's essentially a handcheck to see if your opponent can get through all the wards to kill the 9/9

I've won a lot of games like that with EVO sword

[red plover]

bane drain and storm does give you a lot of options though

[umbral seal]

Noel is worse in the sense that he won't ever win the game on the spot like that, but he has synergy with yidmetra, can stabilize and can push damage with the storm unit

[umbral seal]

Correct.

[mystic tartan]

yeah board flood it up

[blissful olive]

thats lowkey my fear with armes lol

hold this 13/13 aura

ok bane i win

[red plover]

bane doesnt work on him

[mystic tartan]

no wonder i thought u only get 1

[blissful olive]

wdym he has aura

[mystic tartan]

thats why i said its mid af

[blissful olive]

thats just not target

[red plover]

he cant be destroyed by abilities

[umbral seal]

Bane counts as a destruction effect, which he is immune to

[mystic tartan]

i bane

[blissful olive]

oh i thought that was saying the target

[umbral seal]

Like if you use bane on Axia or Lishenna, they don't die either

Same concept

[blissful olive]

then i guess only haven can fake reliably get rid of him cause torment

[umbral seal]

Haven is the only class that can get rid of him without an SEVO

[mystic tartan]

yeah u gotta waste sevo usually

[red plover]

every other class is gonna struggle a lot trying to clear him

[blissful olive]

if they have to clear him tho

that late in the game high chance u can go face a lot of the time

[red plover]

well if you dont you lose the next turn

unless you can lethal yourself

[umbral seal]

Well, Dragon in particular can win the game before Armes becomes relevant

So can loot

[blissful olive]

like dragon wouldnt have that hard a time id guess

[umbral seal]

Not every deck on ladder will be dragon & sword

(but I suspect they'll be very popular)

[blissful olive]

dragon absolutely

[mystic tartan]

well luckily he got no ward

[blissful olive]

rune looks like the most concerning one so far

like the entire thing is spamming the 1/1

[mystic tartan]

imagine if he has ward

[red plover]

yep, the other out is just going for lethal yourself

[umbral seal]

The shymm gimmick is the one I'm truly not sold on

[mystic tartan]

[umbral seal]

Mostly because the pay-off is too RNG

It's kind of a meme. More so than Shakdoh

Hm... what should I build next...

Forest?

Even Sathanid doesn't require an evo

I don't understand why Yid does

[mystic tartan]

me neither

[red plover]

well, shes the only one that requires 5 faith instead

[mystic tartan]

i mean u can only add that faith if u enhance starting 3pp
Well u have Yid token only 1pp

[umbral seal]

I get that but enhancing is not something you can easily stack

The new 4 drop does it the easiest by giving you two enhances on turn 6

[mystic tartan]

yeah its difficult

so im kinda confused by that decision

cus u want ur evo

on zirconia or something

[red plover]

she gives the easiest enhance card at least

[umbral seal]

You also have to run Zirconia because Serenity's Shield is a toothless card without her

IMO, anyway

[mystic tartan]

yeah but u have to deploy her

if u have 2 in hand its fine

[red plover]

yea, its definitely tricky

[red plover]

which 4 drop gives you 2 enhances, I dont see it?

oh, you mean playing the soldier you get from her as well?

[blissful olive]

enhance is prob the hardest thing to stack in the game

cuz the cards all cost so much

which makes me wonder why the faith effects arnt better

[umbral seal]

Correct.

[umbral seal]

Well, the thing is, they're balancing it around the fact that the endgoal is to super-charge albert.

So I do understand their caution

I just don't think giving Yid an evo cost was the way to do it

[blissful olive]

for her at least its only 5 faith

[umbral seal]

Thought about the 5 cost that gets discounted on evo but I'd hate to draw that late.

[blissful olive]

surely forest will be good this time

[umbral seal]

It's not going to be t1

But it'll be better than it was before

[blissful olive]

t1 is gonna be fukin

portal and sword for sure

[umbral seal]

Maybe. Portal honestly did not get much this set. Imari is still broken, though.

[blissful olive]

yeah but even if they got literally nothing

imari deck is T1 anyways

[umbral seal]

I wouldn't count on that because ER Rune was, by most people's account, the best deck in Skybound. Got nothing next set and it was noticeable with how much less it got played.

They got nothing again this set, so I expect it to be even less popular.

[blissful olive]

im saying no matter what happens that deck is still gonna be insane

[umbral seal]

It really depends on how the meta shakes out. If Armes is super prevalent on the ladder, egg portal is going to be significantly less popular.

Puppet portal, imo, is not that good in comparison. It's where I got the most of my wins after Legendary.

[red plover]

do they even have anything that can out armes

[umbral seal]

Evo Sword shits on it

[blissful olive]

i feel like dragon and haven will be the only 2 that dont struggle on armes

cause dragon always ahs fat creatures to crash

[umbral seal]

Beel SEVO + Lishenna spell. Zwei SEVO (by sevo'ing victoria)

They have no other outs.

[red plover]

ah right

[umbral seal]

I guess technically, you could say flowering artisan, proc 3 times and SEVO but like...

That's super specific and probably unreliable lol.

Victoria SEVO would be the most reliable, so eggs would have to start making room for 3x Zwei if Armes is meta

Was going to theorycraft Amulet Haven but @red plover can do that for me

[red plover]

I dont make decks, Im too for that

[umbral seal]

It ain't hard, just read cards and look for synergies

I know card game players hate reading though

[red plover]

everytime I tried making decks they just sucked tbh, thats why I just netdeck instead

I usually just play whatever godofhaven makes

the skullfane plays are gonna be great though

rodeo gonna be a lot of fun as well

especially if you can skullfane after

[blissful olive]

thats what i do

net deck and tweak what i dont like

[red plover]

I almost never tweak because I just figure the people making these decks are just smarter then me

[mystic tartan]

yeah i just tweak some dude

[blissful olive]

i keep 1 for 1 copy then copy the deck and do w/e i want with it

[umbral seal]

Not a bad month, except for Cygames not nerfing Imari/Dewdrop.

Was trying out the Institute of Truth/Odin OTK memes for awhile. Funny when it worked but too flawed.

[blissful olive]

this is my issue with the friren leaders right here

look at gal and then look how insanely plain fern or stark is

[umbral seal]

I mean, that's how they're designed in the actual show. Did you want Cygames to add more to them or something?

Then people would complain about the collab not being faithful to the original work.

Like, I technically agree with your argument but that's not on Cygames.

[red plover]

its gonna get worse with more collabs in the future having more different art styles and such

[blissful olive]

it has to do with the art style im guessing

but they could have done more like this is the kinda leader that u would pay 10 bucks in shop for not 500

[mystic tartan]

u need 2100+ CR for beyond Sword

[umbral seal]

They gave them custom evo-animations and a background, something non-ticket leaders don't have. Even the skybound leaders that aren't Beel or Belial only have custom borders. They have no background on evo and no custom evo

[umbral seal]

Considering you're a loot main, I thought you'd be higher.

[blissful olive]

u got like 10 more hours

[mystic tartan]

people are too good

[blissful olive]

get back in here samurai

then be better

i believe in you

[umbral seal]

Most games in high CR are really decided by draws, since no one makes critical errors

Usually.

Every time I play on set release, I encounter a lot of people making basic mistakes

Which is part of why I can climb so quickly.

[mystic tartan]

lol its really difficult

im stuck in 2k

[blissful olive]

how much do u lose per game

[mystic tartan]

it depends

[umbral seal]

That depends on your opponent's rating

[blissful olive]

in general

like another 2k person

[mystic tartan]

15

usually

[umbral seal]

You generally lose around 15 CR if you lose to someone similarly rated

[mystic tartan]

if similar cr

[umbral seal]

If you lose to someone lower rated

You can lose as much as 24 CR

[blissful olive]

what about gain? about the same?

[umbral seal]

If you face someone like, 100 CR above you, I've seen gains of 22 CR

Losses as low as 8 if I lose

Everyone above 1850 is pretty good. It really just comes down to the power level of your deck and draw RNG.

[blissful olive]

i dont think ima even be able to get back to rating again lol

i got GM once just cause i was kinda close but it takes so much to get back there after resets lol

[umbral seal]

20k MP in one month is really not that hard unless you hate playing the game.

[blissful olive]

it depends on how much im enjoying the deck im playing

[umbral seal]

Generally takes me 2 days just to do that. Don't even have to sacrifice sleep or work. Just a social life.

[blissful olive]

like im gonna play a bunch of new set then eventually dwindle back to doing dailies n stuff

[umbral seal]

Sure, but on set release, there's usually a lot of stuff to experiment with

I also like collecting the animated sleeves. It's why I go so ham in the 1st month.

Although I can't say I've liked any of the sleeves except for Blossoming Fate.

[umbral seal]

Honestly missed the fact that bibatii is just a generically good card.

[blissful olive]

it is yeah

3/3 on its own is cool but draw 2 is huge

but having 4 necros by turn 3 tho chances are not happening

[umbral seal]

You have many other plays besides dropping the cat on 3

Having 4 shadows on 3 is not even necessary because you might not even have belial in hand at that point

[blissful olive]

hmm

if running both armes and billy thats ur 2 sevo points really and u can only do 1 of each

if u trying to win with billy anyways

[umbral seal]

It will depend on the match-up. Armes only needs to come down with SEVO if you need to clear the board or if you're confident that your opponent has no way to clear it from an empty board.

[blissful olive]

i would prob wanna try and fit aragavy in also hes such a good card

[umbral seal]

Deprived Destroyer will clear the same boards that Aragavy can, usually

While providing 2 evos

[blissful olive]

yeah u just need to save skeletons

[umbral seal]

Having a skeleton just saves you from spending an evo point

[blissful olive]

well no

like

u have to sac a monster

[umbral seal]

You have to sack a monster to save an evo point. I know how the card works.

[blissful olive]

ah i see

[umbral seal]

Do I need to post the description?

[blissful olive]

yeah i would def save a skele for that

[umbral seal]

And also, it depends. I would only save a skeleton for destroyer if I don't already have nehan in hand

In which case, I'd prioritize combo'ing with Nehan

[mystic tartan]

Armes gonna be so annoying kek

[umbral seal]

Indeed. It's just bad design, imo

Still gonna use him, though

[unkempt lava]

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[umbral seal]

[sick oasis]

sooo... anything new for spellboost?

[umbral seal]

Nope.

[sick oasis]

[umbral seal]

Enjoy your crystals

[sick oasis]

guess it's time to switch to lizard gaming and try that discard deck

actually nvm i might change to abyss

playing armes could be fun

[mystic tartan]

Ur gonna be having fun seeing people dont have answer to it

[sick oasis]

good

[mystic tartan]

not bad

well ill take it

i do want kandima but not that much

[mystic tartan]

bruh forest is cooking

[mystic tartan]

just got triple zirconia wtf

this enhance sword mirror is so bad

[blissful olive]

vanguard is way 2 ass kik

if it had a proper platform maybe id try

one day cygames will fix its shitty servers

[umbral seal]

Anyone bother trying out my lists?

[blissful olive]

i could

i just finished the uhh

solo junk for free stuff about to open packs

[umbral seal]

I won't have time to play until later today

[blissful olive]

need to get lvl 40 in BP for leader sux ass man

thats what like maybe 3 weeks i guess

o wow

i didnt know this was also a card on its own lol

[umbral seal]

If you actually played enough to get 100 online wins, 2 weeks is easy w/ the chest event

100 online wins gets you a good chunk of BP pts

Speed running the BP is only difficult in month 2

[blissful olive]

bruh just getting shit lmao

[umbral seal]

Because there's no chest event

[blissful olive]

there is no chest event rn no

[umbral seal]

Correct, but give it a few days

Chest event has never started day 1 of a set

[blissful olive]

i dont recall them announcing 1

[umbral seal]

Every set has launched with a chest event within a few days

It's possible that they don't do one but it's unlikely

[blissful olive]

yeah my packs are cursed this is so ass lmao

[umbral seal]

Omegotep seems to be playable in Dragon (of course)

[blissful olive]

i mean sure but hes a meme

i do wanna see him brick a game tho for shits and giggles

[umbral seal]

We'll see if late season Fennie decks will still include him. Personally, I don't think I'm playing Fennie at all this set

[blissful olive]

yeah im mainly on discard unless some insane tech comes up

i got 40 more packs hoping i get a few things i can use at least smh

[mystic tartan]

i think u dont need Zirconia

now

Lyria is also op on enhance sword

this is mine

[blissful olive]

i got fucked so hard

this is some bullshit

[mystic tartan]

Rose is very good

[blissful olive]

1 cat 0 armes 1 sagatsu

kill me

[umbral seal]

I don't like loyal guard. I can experiment with no Zirc

[mystic tartan]

honestly i was a doubter too but he can be clutch

yeah Zirconia can replace him if u like

[blissful olive]

well this is about what i expected sorta

i have 40k vial can make 2 decks prob

[mystic tartan]

just wait

[blissful olive]

for what lol

[umbral seal]

Hm.

I'll think about it. Let me know how your matches go.

[mystic tartan]

heartless strategist and rose is a must i think

both powerful on this deck

i got crushed by evo forest

[blissful olive]

hmm only need 14k to finish haven

[mystic tartan]

they got so many new stuffs

[blissful olive]

i was thinking on making evo forest but im missing 2 much stuff

need 40k to finish it fuck that lol

new abyss does look kinda fun

def making discard so my 2nd deck is a toss up on haven or abyss

[mystic tartan]

i only match 1 discard

[umbral seal]

Ordine, how quickly do you get Yid online?

[mystic tartan]

Usually turn 6 or 7
Depends

I ditch Fearless knight cus rose can fish him

[blissful olive]

@umbral seal

we have a situation

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[umbral seal]

I already saw that

It's why I told you it's playable

[blissful olive]

its playable but its also a meme at the same time

its almost like oloun or w/e his name is

[umbral seal]

It's rng, of course it's a meme

[blissful olive]

cant wait to see that in competitive lmao

[umbral seal]

Won't see play outside of dragon imo

[blissful olive]

gonna run take 2 i guess

need to save vials till fellas drop decklists cause i only have 40k

[sick oasis]

decent free 10 pull

[blissful olive]

die lol

[mystic tartan]

yeah evo forest might be tier 1 man

[blissful olive]

give me 40k vials pls

hand it over

i might make this guy deck out in take 2 lmao

im just clearing every time and he cant attack me

LOLOLOL

[mystic tartan]

wajaja

lol i just 20damage albert

[red plover]

deck out for haven in take 2 is pretty common

[blissful olive]

that card is pretty good btw

spawns 3 copies 4/4 ward

those 1/1 fairy are prob the best thing in forest yet lowkey

free evos at end of turn n shit

and u get so many like a bunch of 3/3 wards

i bet evo forest fucks dragon

[mystic tartan]

wtf is this oguri rune

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FixupX · Feb 26, 2026, 11:20 AM

well damn

[mystic tartan]

wtf

[blissful olive]

idk how that even happened

[cursive crypt]

turn 35

[mystic tartan]

@sick oasis Oguri it up

[blissful olive]

i saw a guy play 5 oguri

yeah

so u only run oguri and lmao

thats funny

[mystic tartan]

yeah oguri and 1 onion 1 golem gurl

[blissful olive]

but u have to have them already

unless u wanna risk the 1/3 chance ig

[mystic tartan]

well there is a spell that can pull 2 runecraft follower

[blissful olive]

yeah but u have to kill that 1/1 guy

[mystic tartan]

alright its difficult to do that

[blissful olive]

just saw fella throw down armes

bro couldnt do anything about it lol

i think the only answer to armes is actually playign dragon and going face lmao

[mystic tartan]

i did it again

20damage albert

[blissful olive]

how are u getting 20