Shadowverse

[gritty anvil]

even in regular

dragon

not otk

[umbral seal]

I don't think you can play tablet in Disdain because you need multiples

[gritty anvil]

i think dragon should run tablet regardless because it fix your card draw

[umbral seal]

It's not a combo deck

[gritty anvil]

for rest of game

[umbral seal]

Like, Rune runs tablet because they're a combo deck that just wants to ensure they get their combo asap

This deck, same thing.

[gritty anvil]

do u run coc in that deck ?

[umbral seal]

Cocytus in Disdain makes no sense unless it's to stop yourself from decking out after tablet is played. But if you're running tablet and cocytus in disdain, you're basically ruining your original gameplan and cocytus is still too slow in decks that can't instantly win the game with him

[gritty anvil]

well coc in disdain only make sense if u run tablet

[umbral seal]

Yeah, because disdain, at least the way I've seen it built, is not fast enough

Maybe disdain makes more sense in a more aggressive list

With the otohime amulet

[gritty anvil]

i think disdain deck needs to run a lot of storms

hmm otohime amulet i dont know about that

well actually

u can discard

0 costs

[umbral seal]

I was running every storm card outside of otohime and decks like portal and haven did not die fast enough, usually

[gritty anvil]

i kinda liked heavy aoe dragon list with no storms also had tons of healing was good againts sword

[umbral seal]

I could trade some cards to put in more copies of forte, odin & genesis but the problem with that is then you're more likely to brick, plus Sword is still faster than you

This list is basically retired but I was trying different variations of it on day 1

[brisk adder]

so crest is meta

i dont have rodeo and himeka

[umbral seal]

If your deck has a bad match up against Crest Haven, you shouldn't even play it on ladder.

It is tier 1.

Literally never won against it once with Disdain Dragon, which is why I jumped ship to Mode Abyss.

[gritty anvil]

wait crest is tier 1 ?

really ?

[umbral seal]

Himeka is not that important.

[brisk adder]

yeah disdain is good i want to craft that

lemme grab my list

[umbral seal]

Officially? No, but in my experience, yes.

[gritty anvil]

well mode abyss also sometimes lose to it

[umbral seal]

I explained why in a post on the subreddit

[umbral seal]

I have a much better win-rate with Mode Abyss

Almost no decks can outvalue you post 10 faith. Only a post Fennie dragon deck, arguably

[gritty anvil]

i guess ye they dont have enough board removals

for their stuff

[umbral seal]

No, do not craft Disdain dragon

[gritty anvil]

i thnk even 1 coc in mode abyss is fine

[umbral seal]

What are you saying

[umbral seal]

Unnecessary.

[gritty anvil]

i already craft it lol

[brisk adder]

Why bro

[umbral seal]

Same, which is why I'm telling him to save his vials

I have every card with 80k+ vials right now

Just the results of whaling for Galmieux

[umbral seal]

Save your vials for a better deck.

Since I'm pretty sure you're f2p

[brisk adder]

I'm watching this guy

https://youtube.com/@godofhavencraft?si=yTrIthobWX_8_RoO

He's so good piloting it

[umbral seal]

Seems standard. Himeka is really unnecessary but some people like her as a 1 of

[brisk adder]

i want to build amulet storm

with the new 3 cost

[umbral seal]

Go for it, although I have not seen Storm Haven at all on the ladder

Doesn't mean it's bad, but obviously not good enough for people to want to flock to it

[fading echo]

i saw one but he lost to egg

also i might have been at emerald when i saw it

i was testing eggartifact it did not go well

[gritty anvil]

i seen like one storm haven

but ye i dont think its very good in this meta

there is too much healing

[fading echo]

hey tempo forest got a forest exlusive odin

should be good when they add stuff that can't be banished

[umbral seal]

This isn't a new card, you know. It was run in aggro forest lists on release. Not sure if Tempo lists use it

Tempo Forest is already a very fringe deck

[fading echo]

i never noticed that guy

[brisk adder]

i want to buy the bp

but the fucking leader is snoopdog

and its not haven

[brisk adder]

at least im not crafting raio deck

[umbral seal]

Non existent on ladder 🙃

[fading echo]

crest haven is so fucking annoying to fight might be stronger than rune

the stupid free damage guy just gives a free banish for fun so broken

[umbral seal]

The banish is random target, just so you know. But it is very strong, yes.

In a thread with people saying "I think it's too early to say it's tier 1"

No it isn't.

[umbral seal]

Also, it doesn't auto lose to Rune. They have an amulet that gives their face barrier.

[fading echo]

i already checked out on climbing out of master i was going to do it with portal but god keeps matching me into the most boring matches i have ever played so i'm just gonna rune these people

first match the guy just left that board alive and died

same kind of board on portal and he would have given his life and blood to clear it i just don't understand what they're thinking about

second match we have a god hand situation

[wild gale]

Too much of a godhand early

[fading echo]

top decks were okay

he got astan off first because of dclim

double dclimb it's over

it's not over

i won

this ending was the most cinema rune shit ever

the most balanced match ever recorded

[umbral seal]

@fading echo Up for a game?

[fading echo]

that was my last one i'm gonna go eat dinner

my headcanon for that match is that after the second dclimb he got the 10pp 1hp debuff but he couldn't use it to kill me because he killed my board on the first dclimb

that would be so funny

[wild gale]

Your headcannon should look at the opponent's pp

Your opponent is unlucky af

If he had gotten silent rider he would have won

[umbral seal]

Just saw a Crest Haven player in lobby attack with a 2 atk follower while he has 5 crests up

These are the fellas who are saying "I don't think it's tier 1"

[blissful olive]

haven finally good

maybe i'll try it i just need uhh

1 of the armor mask guys

wanted to try new portal 2 it looks neat but poe taking up my time rn

@umbral seal i was thinking about this while playing the deck

hes a decent card but i really dont think hes a 3 off

[fading echo]

true i didn't notice

[blissful olive]

if ramp became stronger maybe but his return is basically clearing the board he can do 6 if sevo but i dont think its insane

[fading echo]

yeah his only hope was silent rider

[umbral seal]

Irrelevant because Disdain Dragon is not good.

Jerry Dragon is better.

[blissful olive]

thats cursed

i do think its fun tho but i agree its not top tier or anything

[fading echo]

i died to a jerry dragon once it was the only one i've seen so far

he did the jerry satan thing i asked about the other day

[blissful olive]

what are u running for board clear tho this is why i had that 5/4 in to early early boards

[umbral seal]

My Jerry Dragon deck is constantly changing at the moment

It has a lot of flexibility since you inherently want a lot of 1 of's, outside of your low drops

Biggest issue I'm having is "not enough healing"

You basically have to stall until you get your combo, or generate enough tempo to surprise lethal with genesis.

Not sure if there's a Jerry Dragon list that's actually consistent. I'd have to check SV wins

Actually, not even "not enough healing"

You need tablet on curve more than you need ramp on curve

[molten root]

grandmaster split

[brisk adder]

12%

[fading echo]

how is the old mid range sword is it still good or just outclassed by the new decks?

[umbral seal]

Still good, just not popular since people are playing loot sword more

I wouldn't say loot is strictly better but they have more burst damage because of Sinciro

Loot just can't run Gildaria because there's no way to both have enough cards to generate rally quickly and have loot consistency

[molten root]

the only thing loot is missing is otk other than that it’s capable of everything, if it had an otk it would’ve ate the whole pie

[fading echo]

i think it has one i saw a youtube tumbnail saying loot can deal 20 damage but i didn't click to watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fXX0ANvUb4 here

[cursive crypt]

its impossible to pull off basically

broo izdia animation is so cool i wanna craft it

but all my pack openings i only opened neutral and haven legendaries

im a psycho i drafted 2 izudias in take 2

[molten root]

sinciro being 6 cost is ridiculous btw

[cursive crypt]

his stats being 5/6 is crazy

[molten root]

what he is capable of and this fat stats makes me scratch my head

[cursive crypt]

yeah, basically impossible to survive vs it without healing

actually wild how much ddamage sword has from hand

literally losing to air

[molten root]

you can also always expect that fat knight that just dropped on the table cleared everything and shat on your face on turn 6 to have a ward if they goin 2nd

and that can just keeps going from 6+

[warped granite]

Can't believe they make a sword 4 drop that can compete with zirconoa

And don't need an evo too

[molten root]

im excusing sword being god this time around just because that its fun to play and sinciro is just the best looking card in this game

[cursive crypt]

i mean i would say loot sword at least takes more brain than midrange

so i dont care too much

[cursive crypt]

wait wtf forest went extinct

not even 5%?

[fading echo]

yeah crest haven is just ward haven 2.0

[blissful olive]

at least its a threat now lol

its def much better

[umbral seal]

I have also barely seen Forest

[cursive crypt]

Well roach loses to loot sword so kinda makes sense. I just didn't expect them to not even show up in the chart

If loot sword sees a decline in play rate maybe

I think izudia might just be the best version of forest rn

[brisk adder]

fuck man

[umbral seal]

That's not happening because it's the aggro deck right now

Like the only one, and people want fast games.

[cursive crypt]

ye thats true

i remember the number 1,2 and 3 on the ladder last season plays aggro abyss for the same exact reason

[brisk adder]

any list?

i can craft it

[umbral seal]

I'm testing out a loot sword deck atm. One sec.

Yeah, the damage output of loot sword is actually kinda insane when you play it correctly.

[red plover]

loot sword so hard to win against with crest haven

[umbral seal]

I was experimenting but I got tired of facing sword mirrors

garbage.

Went back to Mode Abyss.

[red plover]

I once had a mode abyss get +2 modes instead of 1 and still managed to win

[silver tide]

i built crest haven with jerry

jerry deck is actually dank

though i rope every turn and still dont have time to read every card

[umbral seal]

Getting an extra mode is irrelevant if you can't get value off it

When I play the mirror, I don't prioritize completing the quest

[red plover]

yea I figured but its still funny to me

[nocturne karma]

@red plover has leveled up! (16 ➜ 17)

[umbral seal]

I prioritize setting up cerb damage

And then they start panicking

It's part of why I run 2 copies of the zombie

And the amulet

[mystic tartan]

bro ngl

this set is so much more fun

that i dont know what to play

[gritty anvil]

counting to 5 is hard

[gritty anvil]

ye its not bad

and like everything is somehow viable

basically

only rune got fucked

they need to play still same deck

how much points is to reach GM again ?

[wild gale]

Which deck should I play for weekend tourney

Also anyone online?

@lone agate you wanna play quick 2 matches?

[red plover]

he doesnt know

[wild gale]

Do you want to play with me

I need quick 2 matches

1 match fine too

[red plover]

I can use a suicide deck if you want

[wild gale]

Sure

In lounge rn

[wild gale]

We go

[red plover]

ggs

[wild gale]

I was about to type forsenBlackSilence

[red plover]

guess I was too fast

[wild gale]

Thinking about being a dirty runecraft user

For weekend tourney

But that might be too unethical

Aggro abyss as per usual?

I've been farming egg decks with this

[red plover]

he still doesnt know

[wild gale]

Loot sword

[red plover]

well rather

look at the weekend tourney right now

[wild gale]

Wait

Why does it say upcoming

Huh

[red plover]

because there is none this weekend

[wild gale]

That's strange

[wild gale]

We should circumcise cygames C suite

[lone agate]

I do need a game

if anyone is up

[wild gale]

You in the lounge?

[lone agate]

yup

these 4 keys

I will get the 100 packs

100%

thanks mr mango

[wild gale]

Mode tempo ain't half bad

[lone agate]

I have no idea wtf new decks do

all Im getting in ladder is rune

[wild gale]

It's the choose one thing from HS

When you get 10 you can get all the modes

[lone agate]

[wild gale]

Should I use feet girl shadowverse avatar btw

So I can be a qt pi

[lone agate]

yes because its flexing your tickets

[wild gale]

just get 3 tickets

[lone agate]

[primal isle]

bls nerf dimenshift already

[fading echo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1383658402005123112/1411526939172143244/balance.mp4

[red plover]

feels like I barely see rune right now though

[gritty anvil]

mode abyss is most consistent for me

deck have chance againts anything

even rune or haven

look at this game

he concede after

i even healed for 8 to 20 previous turn and he almost killed me

[cursive crypt]

bruh izudia deck is gonna cost me 26k vials guess im playing haven for now since i get literally every neutral and haven cards

[cursive crypt]

is that surprising

its roach

[gritty anvil]

fennie deck is such garbage highroll deck

[umbral seal]

Play otk jerry

[gritty anvil]

i mean thats fennie deck aswell

[umbral seal]

I know.

[true abyss]

Weekly anyone?

[gritty anvil]

bro how these dragons highroll me so much with fennie dafuq they ramp on 3 ramp on 4 and play double fennie in game and draw into 3 mana genesis

monkaS im gonna die

ye i died

i almost had lethal on board

i even summoned 2 huge wards

wasnt enough

[true abyss]

Do weeklies with me

[gritty anvil]

ok

[gritty anvil]

u warp to me or i should to u ?

[true abyss]

Guild

[gritty anvil]

im not in guild

[true abyss]

Bruh why

[gritty anvil]

i have other friend guild

what u mean why

[true abyss]

Give warp code of something

[gritty anvil]

nt5p

wait i need to add u to friend list

[true abyss]

Fr req sent

[gritty anvil]

i use aggro

[true abyss]

Yep

[gritty anvil]

lol

should have keep coin

[true abyss]

I didn't find my deal 10

[gritty anvil]

btw aggro is completely unplayable in this meta

abyss aggro is deadge

soo many crafts healing so much

we need 5 games in total right

[true abyss]

Yep

Thanks

[gritty anvil]

nice

funny how benison was meme card

now its like one of the best spells

get out of topaz red

[true abyss]

See my pfp

I was playing that

[gritty anvil]

what

[true abyss]

For the last few days

[gritty anvil]

i didnt checked

[true abyss]

Jerry

[gritty anvil]

lol

jerry in ranked ?

i mean jerry dragon can somehow works

i heard

[true abyss]

Full abyss jerry

[gritty anvil]

ye in abyss i dont think thats the play

btw my groups are gone

once u hit GM

[red plover]

its just mmr at that point

[gritty anvil]

ye but now its not visible

[red plover]

u literally get a number though

[gritty anvil]

holy pog octrice

[gritty anvil]

number ?

where

[red plover]

bottom right

[gritty anvil]

ye but thats not visible no ?

[red plover]

but you see it right there

[umbral seal]

You can make it not visible

But it is visible by default

[gritty anvil]

lmao i was ruby before reaching GM embarassing

but ye i dont even see it in profile

here

CR number

[red plover]

you see it in the ranked screen though

it just replaces your group with mmr

[gritty anvil]

well but if u match someone

they cant see your group

i mean there is nothing now right

only that u are GM

i show u

[red plover]

yea but isnt that how it normally is in other comp games

they never show the mmr number before the match starts

just that youre in the same rank

[gritty anvil]

well ye

i personally never liked it

it showed group lol

but ye im gonna keep hoarding rupies and play take two

fuck ranked

i just gonna play only to do dailies

[umbral seal]

Not going for GM3?

[gritty anvil]

whats for that ?

btw there arent even any extra feats for GM

just master

like once i reach lv 50 master im done with ranked propably

still far away

lv 17

[umbral seal]

Sleeves.

As well as additional end of season rewards

[true abyss]

pulling off the roach combo does feel really good

[gritty anvil]

how they look

[umbral seal]

Who knows.

Probably not much different from the SV1 sleeves, in terms of design.

[true abyss]

Which deck has a good matchup vs sword?

Haven?

[umbral seal]

Crest Haven is the deck to beat, so probably

[gritty anvil]

andy deck can have decent match up if u run enough healing

any

[true abyss]

All can't run healing without screwing up other matchups

[gritty anvil]

if u really dont like sword face dmg run 3 gilnelise in every deck

[red plover]

also hops, looks like u were wrong, you see the cr right before the match

[gritty anvil]

now days so many drafts have enought sustain

to survive sword

but if they highroll

they still kill u

[gritty anvil]

wut i cant see it

[true abyss]

How is your sword match up?

[gritty anvil]

maybe i need to activate something

[red plover]

above their names

oh you mean yourself

[gritty anvil]

or do i need to reach epic ?

first ?

[red plover]

dunno, thats what Im seeing in the stream

[red plover]

well sword has to be one of the hardest matchups for crest haven

[gritty anvil]

dragon eggs haven all have lots of healing

[gritty anvil]

wut really ?

they can easily heal out of range no ?

and they have wards

[red plover]

you have no salefa though and no real heals early on

[gritty anvil]

u can run salefa tho

no ?

if u cut something else

[red plover]

usually gotta gamble benison or you just die since you dont have 5 crests that early on really

yea but she requires evos to clear

you really want them on your crest makers instead

sometimes you have to use it just to clear early on anyway but then its already looking bad for you

literally just had a match where I died to double zirconia

[cursive crypt]

any1 up for a few games

testing my deck

+weeklies

[umbral seal]

If "any deck" has a decent match up versus sword, it wouldn't be the overwhelming majority of GM. Dumb take.

3x gilnelise is also bad advice.

[gritty anvil]

bro decent doesnt mean its super good vs it

[cursive crypt]

wait hops ur already gm?

[gritty anvil]

ye

[cursive crypt]

what deck u played the most

[gritty anvil]

abyss

and portal

abyss more

i had better winrate with abyss

[red plover]

just had a sword match that I only won because he misplayed against my barrier, he would have had lethal otherwise

[gritty anvil]

but GM is easy to hit no ?

u just need to play

thats it

[red plover]

returned the favor by dealing 16 damage and killing him the next turn

[cursive crypt]

ye ik

im gonna hit it this week prolly with izudia

decided to craft it

[gritty anvil]

lol

btw u can try playing roach

[cursive crypt]

nah i tried it

too shit vs sword

plus there arent many new cards in that deck

[gritty anvil]

even with gilnelise ?

[cursive crypt]

if any

yes bro wtf is 4 heal gonna do

[gritty anvil]

or 5

KEKW

[cursive crypt]

yea im super evoing that garbage for sure man

the super evo doesnt even kill sinciro

[gritty anvil]

well believe or not that super evo sometimes saved me

[cursive crypt]

just not enough unless they brick

[gritty anvil]

in abyss she make more sense

[cursive crypt]

odin + sinciro + albert

how can win

[gritty anvil]

because u can combo her

[cursive crypt]

as roach

[gritty anvil]

with vuelle

for 7 healing

well ye roach

dont have enough healing

other than gilnelise

thats the issue

[cursive crypt]

not even counting the 1pp token from the 3 drop

[gritty anvil]

0 cost not it

other crafts have extra healings

like sylvia eggs

heaven

dragon now have also tons of healing

[cursive crypt]

its simply too slow vs sword

nah forest has healing

[gritty anvil]

ye prolly

[cursive crypt]

we are now running the lion in izudia

3 copies

[gritty anvil]

bro

how is that viable

in forest

its just heal for numbers of cards on hand ?

[cursive crypt]

why wouldnt it

[gritty anvil]

it doesnt do anything else ?

[cursive crypt]

its heal 9

yea

[gritty anvil]

so its 8 mana heal 9 i guess

[cursive crypt]

its a fair card unlike norman

[gritty anvil]

with body

[cursive crypt]

i wish lion has ward

then it'd be good

loot sword doesnt go wide so u can afford to heal with lion

[gritty anvil]

well i saw some hybrids

[cursive crypt]

thats just midrange no?

and i dont care about midrange since they dont have a bazillion damage from hand

[gritty anvil]

well i dont know but i saw loot swords still running zirconia

not all but some

[cursive crypt]

all of them im pretty sure

but only zirconia is fine

pretty sure control foerest is favored vs midrange sword anyway

[umbral seal]

You run 2.

And 2 lance troopers.

Maybe I should cut quickbladers for prims, though.

[gritty anvil]

nah

quick bladers can win a lot of games

can be a lot of early dmg

[brisk adder]

[brisk adder]

I need the 2 legendaries to obtain this deck

[umbral seal]

Can, sure. But Prim is better. Some games I can't close out even with turn 1 bladers.

[umbral seal]

I'm the Rune player now

[blissful olive]

any1 around for 1 friend match

[umbral seal]

One sec

[blissful olive]

kk cool

idk if i have u

[umbral seal]

Just warped to you

[blissful olive]

oh i see u

just 1 is fine unless u need 5

[umbral seal]

As long as it's a real game

[blissful olive]

just 1 then lol

i speed through park ones

dont think i even updated my aggro

yeah i def didnt update this lol

[umbral seal]

Tbh, aggro abyss doesn't need much updating

It's not even on the ladder at all

The only aggro deck on ladder right now is Sword

[blissful olive]

yeah but i would add rul and shit

ty

[umbral seal]

That was a Jerry Dragon deck but you ended up dying long before that point

[blissful olive]

yeah i didnt draw dick that game just bats lol

[mystic tartan]

can i join ?

nvm

[umbral seal]

Dragon's back, bitches.

@gritty anvil Embrace gamba

[blissful olive]

oh fuck

i forgot

treasure chest event im gonna kms lmao

[gritty anvil]

bruh u not even GM i though u were playing

[gritty anvil]

ok atleast u not playing that jerry trash lol

[umbral seal]

I am playing.

I was working for most of last week.

Sunday was my first day off.

[wild gale]

Jerry slander is crazy

[umbral seal]

I mean, he's not wrong. It doesn't exist at high ranks.

But I like playing it in lobbies.

[mystic tartan]

jerry for the meme

[blissful olive]

got the sleeves good enough

im not grinding chests out again man shits awful

back to poe

[gritty anvil]

its actually annoying if u playing slow decks

to grind that shit

[mystic tartan]

meanwhile

its all slow deck rn

except aggro loot sword

cus fucking them heals

[gritty anvil]

its funny because sword took aggro from abyss

abyss is now dogshit as aggro

and its sword now

i won GP with aggro abyss before it become shit

actually

vs rune or haven

abyss aggro propably still can work

but not sure vs haven they have too much wards

and benison

can also run over sword maybe ?

[wild gale]

Guys should I make a loot sword deck

[gritty anvil]

i mean its one of the top tier decks

i think

but i dont play sword so i cant really tell how good it is but seems good in ranked from what i saw

[mystic tartan]

yeah man

i tried on lobby

match against lishenna portal

its literally joever

[mystic tartan]

its good

u aggro the fuck out of the enemy

quickblader is good in loot sword

[umbral seal]

It's the only aggro deck in this meta

[mystic tartan]

i might craft it

but i need to craft 6 lego

[gritty anvil]

i missing 4 lego for sword

[umbral seal]

@gritty anvil Happy now?

Also, this is probably why you can't see your CR

Because it's too low. Not trying to flame, but the game literally said it.

Or, didn't play enough games to get a CR, because it seems I don't have one either

[cursive crypt]

if you just got gm ur cr is probably 0 no? or maybe it starts at 1k

[umbral seal]

CR is also per class, just so you know.

First 3 games, all sword. Shocker.

There was actually way more diversity on my way to GM

[mystic tartan]

i meet a sword

bro didnt draw Sinciro

[warped granite]

I think it's mostly because they can grind the fastest

With a competitive WR. Not sure if they're the 'best' deck as such though

[gritty anvil]

Pog

[warped granite]

In due time CR will probably be more diverse after all the 30 turn havens rank up

[gritty anvil]

ye that deck does nothing without him lol

[mystic tartan]

whats the best deck in take two

lul

[mystic tartan]

alright ganryu is carrying my ass

in take 2

nvm i ramp too hard lul

[mystic tartan]

@gritty anvil

lmao its lego at first then theres flames

alright im so bricked

no Sinciro

[warped granite]

Craft the host club fuccboi

[mystic tartan]

broooo i didnt get a single Sinciro against this crest haven

its literally joeve

[umbral seal]

Actually gonna use Sinciro?

I would if I got him

I'm not whaling more than what I already did, though

[mystic tartan]

Yes i want him

[umbral seal]

Ramp is kinda iffy in take two, because if you're taking ramp, that means you're not taking value cards

Ramping means you need to get an insane advantage before turn 10 hits for the opponent

[mystic tartan]

yeah i lost to aggro abyss

well wcyd

[wild gale]

With loot sword?

[mystic tartan]

nah

take two

[wild gale]

Loot sword is so good

[mystic tartan]

i use dragon

im still learning loot

[wild gale]

Hit face

Loot is very simple

[unkempt lava]

Yeah mode abyss sucks

Not agro enough and not control enough. It's in unfortunate middle ground of mediocre

[mystic tartan]

of course i know about that

[umbral seal]

???

That deck consistently kept me in diamond master before I hit GM.

Some builds of it I've seen are too slow but the deck is not inherently slow

[mystic tartan]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Shadowverse/comments/1n5glbc/truely_the_abyss_mode_of_all_time/

[umbral seal]

Early thoughts based on what I've seen throughout Master & GM:

S+: Crest Haven
S: Loot Sword, Spellboost Rune, Mode Abyss, Egg Portal
A: Fennie Dragon, Midrange Sword, Midrange Abyss, Roach Forest
B: Jerry Dragon, Puppet Portal, Artifact Portal, Dirt Rune, Control Forest
Memes: Raio Rune (actually met one in my GM trials)

Haven't seen enough Storm Haven to have much of an opinion. Maybe A.

[mystic tartan]

bruh egg portal is strong against loot

[umbral seal]

To me, the top 5 is pretty clear. Dragon isn't consistent enough but that doesn't stop me from playing it

If you don't die after Fennie, it's usually gg

[mystic tartan]

the only thing stopping me from playing egg portal is

the mirror match

[umbral seal]

Lishenna's voice is too fucking annoying

I will never play that deck

Just for that reason

[umbral seal]

Just imagine the Crest Haven mirror

[mystic tartan]

💀

aint no way

[red plover]

I thought so far that the english voices were fine but man, why did they do that to her

[mystic tartan]

Sinciro voice is perfect

Japanese

[brisk adder]

Haven crest is so solid

I'm satisfied with this

And I like control decks

[umbral seal]

Since I see we have some open spots, does someone want to help me find some more fellas to recruit?

[mystic tartan]

[umbral seal]

Hm?

[mystic tartan]

None of my friend play SW

[umbral seal]

Same. "Weeb card game" is pretty niche

[fading echo]

i know two people that play i'll ask if they wanna join

[fading echo]

every time there's a chest event the game just throws the most obnoxious lose streaks at me

[wild gale]

I have transcended beyond chest event

It's fucking eagebait

Ragebait

[fading echo]

i have no idea what the heck this guy was doing but i managed to rush him before he did it

[primal isle]

this shit is so lame now. Games are long and can't win anymore. 7 loss streak

[cursive crypt]

ur playing control decks man what u expect

just play loot sword if you want fast game s

[primal isle]

that shit is like 40k vials tf

can't even win with face dragon too

[cursive crypt]

oh u dont have 3 alberts and odin already?

loot sword is like one of the cheapest to craft this set if you have 3 of those already

[primal isle]

so lame the game gave me like 7 lygama and zero albert

zero forte

[gritty anvil]

lol

whats gonna be safest deck to play in next lobby tournament ?

sword ?

or maybe crest haven

[cursive crypt]

izudia

portal is such a free matchup

[gritty anvil]

u spamming izudia ?

is it actually good ?

[cursive crypt]

also that last swordcraft guy legit plays 2 sinciro before turn 8

[gritty anvil]

show list ?

[cursive crypt]

and the 1pp token

jesus

im still refining it

[gritty anvil]

well atleast u give up on rose queen

[cursive crypt]

the last card is 3x congregant

problem with rose is you cant afford to play lion

goofy ass deck

vs sword u dont even need izudia

[gritty anvil]

can u beat crest haven ?

[cursive crypt]

just spam the 9 cost card

yea

[gritty anvil]

abyss ?

[cursive crypt]

its not a bad matchup unless haven plays everything on curve and then play coc

[gritty anvil]

sword ?

[cursive crypt]

which type of abyss

[gritty anvil]

mode

[cursive crypt]

the mode one isnt a bad matchup

[gritty anvil]

sword is hardest ?

[cursive crypt]

nah rune is hardest

sword is not hard

because u dont even need to play a single izudia vs sword

just spam heal and then keep bouncing 9 cost ward

[gritty anvil]

i mean if izudia deck can beat most of meta decks should be good

[cursive crypt]

i just wish lion is cheaper or has more stats/ward

then this deck would actually be legit

im just almost dying every game

[gritty anvil]

ye 4/4 8 drop is kinda ass

without single evo effect

[cursive crypt]

ye

if forest has norman izudia would be so broken

[gritty anvil]

whats so good about norman its not just heal he can literally win the game

with double golems

and im not even mention drawing lol

card is just so broken

even if norman was 8 drop

hes still played

[cursive crypt]

yea just having more option is insane, stats is good too

[gritty anvil]

well would be weaker vs aggresive decks

but still playable for sure

a lot of decks cant even deal with turn 6 so much stats and barriers

[cursive crypt]

ye its stupid

rune can build a full board every turn with ward

and have healing and otk at 10pp

[gritty anvil]

new abyss is kinda similiar to rune now but weaker because they dont have stupid win conds like kuon or climb lol

well also no norman kek

but they also flood boards

really good draw engine

[gritty anvil]

nice daily login pack

thats my 3rd octrice

now i need 3 copies of that dude

[true abyss]

this was the highlight of todays games for me

made him rage quit

he thought he won after playing yuris

[true abyss]

im only getting dupes

[cursive crypt]

i got 3 copies of jerry

[true abyss]

dragon jerry coc

[gritty anvil]

can u get chest in take two ?

[gritty anvil]

i havent god single dupe yet

actually galmieux

but i crafted already 3

before

so that doesnt count

[cursive crypt]

i got no filene

cant play dragon

[cursive crypt]

you can

[true abyss]

make em

[gritty anvil]

oh there it is

i havent reached epic yet

im close tho on abyss

[cursive crypt]

Portal is pretty shit right?

I looked at the rankings and the no.1 portal player isn't even beyond

Portal yet again suffers from chronic disease of not having enough damage to kill through heals

[gritty anvil]

ye its not great tbh

it looked okay at start

but now its not that great

it can still win some match ups tho

like dragon sword

abyss and crest haven are really hard to beat

[cursive crypt]

Dragon really? I thought it'd be too slow to kill dragon

[gritty anvil]

problem about portal it have only 3 aoe

and its not really full aoe

[gritty anvil]

nah it can def beat down dragon

u run sylvia and gilnelise thats enough healing

eggs also heals

and u can put ward aswell

vs turns about to storm your face

but if they ramp into coc

fast u lose

[cursive crypt]

Rly, in my experience portal just doesn't put enough pressure on the board and have a shitty 8 damage finisher on a good day

Doesn't build a board either

[gritty anvil]

u just chiping them down

2 axia evos

are solid dmg

3

odin

dogged one

[cursive crypt]

That's gonna cost a super evo for almost nothing man

Meanwhile sinciro

Clears board 8 damage

[gritty anvil]

i mean she can do sometimes 8 face dmg

depends on eggs

on board

[cursive crypt]

Yea on a good day

[gritty anvil]

and shes ward

like shes not that great lego

but its ok

but ye biggest issue about that deck is limited aoe

[cursive crypt]

If axia does 10 and costs 7 it'll be fine

Well not many decks go wide rn

[gritty anvil]

abyss

rune goes wide aswell

[cursive crypt]

Unironically only rune does it

[gritty anvil]

abyss have crazy wide board

boards

[cursive crypt]

With what

[gritty anvil]

7 drop ginsetsu

[cursive crypt]

U need max faith

[gritty anvil]

no

what

[cursive crypt]

7 cost 3 5/5s?

True I forgot

[gritty anvil]

yes

also 5 drop is 2 bodies and can be 3

even without faith reached

cerberus

is wide aswell

[umbral seal]

What does "beyond" mean?

[gritty anvil]

but ye that match up is terrible

for portal

[umbral seal]

Actually, where can I find a list of the CR ratings?

[cursive crypt]

Beyond means you are top 100 on your class

[umbral seal]

Oh, I see.

[cursive crypt]

1850+ CR and top 100

CR is actually a neat system

[gritty anvil]

@umbral seal here u can activate your CR to show

[cursive crypt]

Since you lose as much as you gain per win

[gritty anvil]

class rating

[cursive crypt]

So you for sure need more than 50% winrate with your class to climb in CR

[gritty anvil]

ye i guess

i still havent reach epic

[cursive crypt]

You gain it pretty slow tbh

It's like 15 points per win

[gritty anvil]

well also abyss and portal arent really dominant dogs

[cursive crypt]

Nah abyss is good

[gritty anvil]

can u lose CR ?

[cursive crypt]

Yes

[gritty anvil]

u think abyss is like top 3 ?

[cursive crypt]

If you lose game you lose about 15CR and if you win you gain 15cr

[gritty anvil]

oh

[cursive crypt]

About 15

[gritty anvil]

so u need above 50% winrate

to climb

[cursive crypt]

Just look at the rankings in CR per class it tells you everything

Portal has nobody in beyond

Rune is full of them

[gritty anvil]

lol

[cursive crypt]

Sword too

Abyss has a lot as well

[brisk adder]

I like long games

[gritty anvil]

oh yee

i see it now

bro

sword have so many beyonds

[cursive crypt]

Yes

[gritty anvil]

eh abyss dont have that many

[brisk adder]

Sword is the strongest class right now

[gritty anvil]

but more than dragon

[brisk adder]

2nd is spell boost

[cursive crypt]

Most popular class by far is the best class

Well abyss is just the 3rd best right?

Actually not sure about haveb

I didn't check haven

[gritty anvil]

haven have more beyonds than abyss

[cursive crypt]

Forest, portal are bottom 2

[gritty anvil]

but not by much

not single beyond in portal is crazy

lol

[cursive crypt]

Ye so it's rune and sword >>>> everyone else

Yea lol

[gritty anvil]

i need to play rune again

[cursive crypt]

Portal is just bad xd

[gritty anvil]

i know it got nothing new pretty much

but its good deck

[cursive crypt]

I played only a few games of rune but I just don't like playing it

[gritty anvil]

portal was only ok in rise

[cursive crypt]

And yeah no new cards

[gritty anvil]

i still think rune is kinda enjoyable to play

[cursive crypt]

Roach is the same, no new cards

[gritty anvil]

just cancer to play againts

[cursive crypt]

That's why I'm spamming izudia

Idk man something needs to change

Why do all rune units have ward

[gritty anvil]

well atleats portal was good one season

in rise portal was good

right

artifacts

[cursive crypt]

Why is sinciro 5/6

[gritty anvil]

lol

[cursive crypt]

Ehh

Actually ye portal was good in rise

Both versions

[gritty anvil]

sword got 2 insane 6 drops

oh puppets were also good ?

in rise

[cursive crypt]

Yeah

[gritty anvil]

i dont even remember

oh ye it was

ppl complain about orchis a lot

[cursive crypt]

Orchis and Sylvia was top 5 most broken cards on release

Alouette too

[gritty anvil]

roach was at peak

in rise

too

right ?

[true abyss]

What's your abyss deck

[gritty anvil]

i dont know if its best version but works well

this is mine list

i wanted to add medusa because i sometimes had issues removing norman

also medusa is really good in mirror

rulneye cant do shit about norman

if they summon 2 golems

[true abyss]

I had 2 matches where sham was in the bottom 15 cards

All 3 copies

[gritty anvil]

its still possible win without faith effect

[true abyss]

Makes me wana keep her in muligan

[gritty anvil]

but ye

nah dont keep her

that deck have enough card draw engine

u basically need early

all the mode cards u can get

so u finish fast

if u keep her

that mean 1 less mode card

[umbral seal]

Is this good?

[gritty anvil]

damn

u almost epic

[true abyss]

https://fxtwitter.com/sato442211/status/1962152419267358776?t=crJt1kmuKtzbTb5WzIp-vQ&s=19 I'm running this version

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FxTwitter · Aug 31, 2025, 1:56 PM

[gritty anvil]

berly is so weird man

beryl

playing beryl vs sword

is suicide

[umbral seal]

Using beryl in faith just for chaos cyclone is not good. I tried it.

Like, I see the idea

But it's not worth it imo

[gritty anvil]

ye u also most likely

not gonna have evo aswell

[umbral seal]

Better off running phildau & bellringer

[gritty anvil]

well sometimes u do

but its not consistent enough

[cursive crypt]

Ye

I think roach is just as weak as izudia now

Maybe izudia a bit better

[gritty anvil]

like later in game beryl is unplayable trash

[umbral seal]

Anyway, this is what I run in GM. I have welcomed the idea of cutting Liu Feng to two just for a 3rd Galmieux.

Not sure how to improve it further.

[gritty anvil]

actually ding dong

make more sense than beryl

[cursive crypt]

The only reason for roach to make a comeback is if the play rate of rune and sword is swapped

[gritty anvil]

or that 2/2 ward

whats her name

that gets + 3 hp when SEVO unlocks

[umbral seal]

I run 1x bellringer because sometimes there are games where you don't draw castle or screaming/loathing

And bellringer + cyclone will help in those instances

[gritty anvil]

also adding beryl means u screw resing your coco or mimi

or foxes

[umbral seal]

For cerb? No it doesn't.

For cyclone, you're not really trying to res cerb summons anyway

[gritty anvil]

cyclone reanimate 2

means if u play beryl

u never gonna res 1 drops

[umbral seal]

Correct. You want Cyclone to reanimate your 2 drops. That's the point

That's literally why people are running Beryl, to evo for 5 hp

Saving cyclone for Cerb summons makes no sense and is not realistic in most games

[gritty anvil]

but ressing coco or mimi is really good

aswell

doesnt require evo

and heals or deal dmg

well u not saving it

basically

[umbral seal]

To guarantee cyclone only summons Cerb summons, that means you would have to go all the way to turn 9 without playing a single 2 drop

Again, this is not realistic in most games

[gritty anvil]

u play it but later if u draw cyclone

u use it

[gritty anvil]

i mean i dont play any 2 drop and doing fine

[umbral seal]

Define "doing fine"

This is not what most abyss players are doing

For good reason

[gritty anvil]

im not struggling much againts sword tbh

and beryl is mainly againts sword

i assume

[gritty anvil]

so u just run 1 2 drop ?

thats it ?

1 dingdong

tbh i might try her

because shes pretty damn good even late game playing from hand

2/5 ward stops albert full face

maybe like this

[umbral seal]

No.

I'll show you my list.

[gritty anvil]

oh u havent even played abyss in GM yet