Shadowverse

[umbral seal]

This much should be obvious.

[true abyss]

Yo it's somehow working

[blissful olive]

oh brother

[fading echo]

Did you guys get the guild reward stuff?

I got nothing maybe i joined too late?

[true abyss]

How many points did you have

[fading echo]

I think somewhere between 1 and 2k

I got master near the end

[red plover]

did you go to the guild to collect it

[blissful olive]

i got mine

did u go into guild lobby

[fading echo]

I got it now

Didn't know you had to enter the guild

[red plover]

remembered to open my saved legendary pack for the new set

[cursive crypt]

nah i know some people will still play it anyway, i just said its surely gonna be less popular than before

same as last season man, but you put in tablet and krulle

i havent played ladder yet tho so idk if krulle is neccessary

[true abyss]

Why tablet?

[cursive crypt]

because u only need your combo pieces

something like this i think

maybe you cut krulle if she really isnt needed

idk if ladder is full of aggro abyss/sword or not

[fading echo]

I think aggro might get lower play now

Everyone got new wards

[true abyss]

Just wait a few days

[red plover]

gotta enjoy the non meta ladder while it lasts

[blissful olive]

ramp main

coming through

so

hows that board lock working out

lmao

[fading echo]

looking at my cards to see what's worth dusting just realized i have so many gildarias

[red plover]

same for me but with grimnir

man, why did they have to remove the 5 rerolls for haven in take two

still managed to get a good decent deck though

[fading echo]

i think i might have to start liquefying the premium cards

they just give so much it's like 200 vs 450

[primal isle]

same thing happened to me. Just got 2 legendary dupes out of 100 keys

[fading echo]

i'll just keep the ones i like from portal/forest/abyss and break everything else

[molten root]

Sinciro made boring sword actually fun to play

im not disappointed, this can feed my enjoyment for a bit

[blissful olive]

made 3 copies of feet dragon to try

shes good but shes def not a must for new dragon

[umbral seal]

2 cost bane that comes with a powerful spell on overflow is far too good to cut.

[blissful olive]

yeah shes good but not required for this

[umbral seal]

There's no decent reason to cut her, and I hate Filene aesthetically.

[umbral seal]

Does she fit the theme of the deck? No, but again, there's no reason to not make her a 3 of

[blissful olive]

i just hate that i have to use this shitty leader

whens forte smh

[umbral seal]

It'd be like cutting samurai in sword, who doesn't get bane until s-evos unlock

Cheap banes are very good

[blissful olive]

hes good in general 2/1 rush is hella good

[umbral seal]

I'd prefer to play literally anything else besides samurai before he has bane

That's how useful it is

2/1 rush on curve is often just trading a 2 pp follower for another 2 pp or 3 pp follower. Often no tempo gained.

Trading 2 pp for 8+

Is a much larger tempo swing

-$500

Worth, tbh

[blissful olive]

wild

but i understand

this is my list rn

i lowkey wanna fit twilight somehow but i dont think hes needed tho really

[umbral seal]

Experimental list, personally. I would definitely cut Genesis & Garyu, though.

[blissful olive]

genesis is good as a 1 off

hes won so many games just out of no where

[umbral seal]

Unnecessary with Forte. But suit yourself.

I already hold the opinion that most of you are not good at deckbuilding, and never want to run sets with me.

[blissful olive]

i dont run sets in card games i find it pointless

if im not getting anything out of it i dont bother doing it lol

but nobody can deny the power of a 1 off genesis

if i took garyu and gen out id just be putting in 3 liu anyways

[umbral seal]

Too slow. That's why I don't run even 1 copy. Consistency of the rest of the deck is more important.

I run 3 liu fengs because even though she's mid, it's still important to run as much ramp as possible

Since cygames is allergic to giving us more

[blissful olive]

i am the ramp

dw next set for sure

cya in 2 months

[umbral seal]

Yeah, hoping you draw dragonsign every game is unreliable to say the least lol

[blissful olive]

apparently theres a decent mid range mode list floating around but cant find it

full mode is a good control deck but its still lacking

[umbral seal]

Destruction portal is honestly kind of annoying to deal with.

[blissful olive]

the eggs can become a problem

and they have a lot of ez removal

i might try it but not on my radar rn

enjoying dragon and abyss dragon more so

just let me use cerb leader on dragon

[primal isle]

anyone try ward haven + all the new repose shit yet

[blissful olive]

ive seen a few do it

its ok but not super strong

[primal isle]

saw it in one game and seemed interestin with all the crests

[gritty anvil]

fun deck

spawned egg this late and still hes almost dead

[blissful olive]

@umbral seal

thoughts on this?

splashed faith into mid range

[gritty anvil]

that amulet draw 3 is absolutely bonkers

2 mana draw 3 in lishena deck

[blissful olive]

i really like the abyss amulet too

its super fucking good

[gritty anvil]

loot sword feels like ass vs lishenna deck

[blissful olive]

loot sword seems decent but not amazing

it does have good burst tho

[gritty anvil]

its ok but not as good as portal one

[blissful olive]

oh yeah

ive actually won a few games with the buff option too

vs rune

[gritty anvil]

lmao i like how this guy is scared super evo

for dogged one

haha ye he evolved and died

[umbral seal]

Getting extremely tilted by Rune right now. Even Dragon isn't fast enough.

About to go back to Abyss.

Rune is actually more popular than ever right now

@cursive crypt 🤡

[blissful olive]

rune hasnt even changed its deck

its the same thing and its just as broken lol

wanted ur opinion on this tho btw

splashing faith with mid range

[umbral seal]

Would need to playtest it, but I like the concept.

[blissful olive]

i do like full faith control i think its strong too but vs rune it suffers and i wanna be able to win any MU

but this has been doing good for me in general

[gritty anvil]

honestly axia as card

is so underwhelming

i rarely even using her for super evo

i guess on curve shes not bad

but for lego shes very underwhelming

lmao

[cursive crypt]

Rly? I'm watching this guy play aggro sword and he barely plays vs rune there's just a bunch of sword as per usual

Before patch almost a third of your games are vs rune

Crest haven is also surprisingly not meme tier

Actually decent deck

[blissful olive]

i mean

its ok

but i wouldnt rate it very high

[cursive crypt]

Don't you win vs sword and most of ladder is sword

Can't be that bad

[blissful olive]

i mean control faith does quite well vs any deck but rune

if u make a deck thats only good at handling 1 craft i dont think its particularly strong

also loot sword doesnt care about ur wards or any shit

[cursive crypt]

I mean crest haven wins vs aggro decks, sword and it's not bad vs faith is it

They heal a lot tho

[blissful olive]

id bet on abyss like 9 times outa 10

havens just not that good

[cursive crypt]

Idk I watched a bit of people playing it and it has decent matchup vs anything that's not roach or dclimb

Seems boring af tho

Afk haven

[blissful olive]

its a stall deck yeah

thats their win con lmao

[cursive crypt]

Ye

I feel like not being able to attack is a dumb design ngl

But maybe it'll be too strong

[gritty anvil]

abe try lishenna portal

its fun and pretty good

[cursive crypt]

That deck is the same as afk haven

[gritty anvil]

lol

not really

well

[blissful olive]

its stall portal

[gritty anvil]

atleast u attack

[blissful olive]

lets be fr lol

[cursive crypt]

Yeah idk man, still dunno what I wanna craft

Rn I'm just thinking rose queen

[blissful olive]

tried dragon?

[cursive crypt]

I am not playing dragon, if it can't ramp I won't bother

[blissful olive]

rose queen

[cursive crypt]

2 ramp cards ain't enough

[blissful olive]

what are you lacari junior

[cursive crypt]

Rose queen got some support frfr

[blissful olive]

im calling the police

[cursive crypt]

I just don't know if having little to no healing would be an issue

[gritty anvil]

lol color scheme fits so well with eudie

i need to be careful with eggs a lot of time 4 is too much

[gritty anvil]

eggs mirror is so clown

[umbral seal]

Can confidently say Dragon is not tier 1 (as I expected when I saw the subreddit predicting that)

However, still playing it

[gritty anvil]

ye its not top tier but one below

[blissful olive]

its fun and doesnt suck so good enough for me

[umbral seal]

And also, I spent $500 bucks for this leader. I'ma use her

[blissful olive]

yeah shes way better than old man

im surprised theres no shop leaders tbh

were 3 sets in now

[umbral seal]

Why do that when people will whale for leaders? Not surprising at all when the goal is maximizing money

[blissful olive]

yeah but i mean cmon

sv1 had hella shop leaders

and i want forte lol

[umbral seal]

They'll put Forte as another ticket

It seems pretty obvious that, outside of the OG's, they're not going to make leaders cheap

[blissful olive]

yeah they hate money ig

[umbral seal]

No, they love money

Which is why they're targeting the whales

[blissful olive]

id make both da heck

[umbral seal]

If this made them less money than the alternative, do you really think they wouldn't do it?

That's silly.

[warped granite]

i cant even complain of them doing this because objectively leader is not p2w if they want to monetize anything leaders are probably the least bad option

anyone laddering with jerry yet?

I think people I watch settle with abyss jerry because of the number of tutors the class has, turn 4/5 Jerry guaranteed

[fading echo]

i made the lishenna deck and it's kinda fun

i was going to play more take 2 and roll packs before making a deck but since forest is still hella cheap rune didn't change figure i'd make the portal deck since it's my favorite and just play those 3

i just won't make other decks this set and save instead of making 4+ decks like i did last set

[wild gale]

500 BUCKS?

[fading echo]

plus it's nice to play a portal deck that doesn't require me to use evo points every time i drop a card like artifact

[wild gale]

Is shadowverse that expensive???

[blissful olive]

if u want a leader

and need 350 packs

yes

[wild gale]

Jesus

[fading echo]

if only those events weren't rigged we could have had a chance to win 2m gold and never worry about leaders again

[blissful olive]

scammed

this some bullshit btw

i dont think they think these through

this means every single person that plays this game has to do it lol

[warped granite]

I think they changed it so if people quit after a few turns it still counts

[fading echo]

clog the queue and quit on people to fail their quests

[blissful olive]

hope so cause jesus

[warped granite]

but people quit on my aggrobyss like turn 4 or 5 and it didnt count so god knows which turn do they mean

[blissful olive]

same with the weekly guild or friend match

TLDR go ask for games on discord ass quest

[umbral seal]

Also, the best Rune list does have different cards

You run the 3 cost amulet to thin your deck

Makes getting your combo even more consistent

[gritty anvil]

honestly after playing many eggs game that deck have chance againts anything rune is hard tho

im seeing 0 haven players

so icant really tell how good it is

[umbral seal]

Unless someone has a decent dragon list, I'ma stick to Rune

Got tired of being in Topaz

[gritty anvil]

u tried lishena ?

im in ruby with portal

[umbral seal]

No, I haven't played the egg deck yet

But it's very annoying to play against

[gritty anvil]

can give u list after i finish genshin

feels way more consistent than like classic puppets

btw im pretty much decided what i craft

abyss dragon and portal i already crafted

sword is boring currently rune didnt get anything new

and forest i might try later

[mystic tartan]

yeah loot sword is

xdd

[gritty anvil]

like if that deck high roll it can be pretty strong but ye

generally its bad

their early game is much weaker

than classic mid sword

they never have board pretty much its so easy to clear

i think there must be some hybrid

that can work

but maybe nobody figured out yet swordp roperly

[cursive crypt]

It's always the case with aggro sword though

You just run out of gas

[gritty anvil]

is it really aggor ?

i dont think so

[cursive crypt]

Does egg portal lose to aggro

It is tho

[gritty anvil]

aggro

really ?

loot sword is aggro ?

[fading echo]

depends on your hand

[gritty anvil]

how is that aggro they never pressure me early game

but portal have really good early game tho

maybe thats why

[fading echo]

you have early game protection but you can brick early game and lose half hp

[cursive crypt]

They will do the same shit with zirconia before turn 4

Play their 2 cost and buff

[gritty anvil]

i dont know maybe all sword players i faced are just bad

[cursive crypt]

But your finisher is much cheaper and comes out earlier

[gritty anvil]

but i rarely lose to lose sword

[fading echo]

the deck is pretty low cost in general but most cards are around 2-3-4 so if you don't get the eggs to get the combo going aggro can sweep you out

[gritty anvil]

as portal

btw portal going second

is broken

rn

well most decks are broken

going second 4head

[fading echo]

yeah second getting 2 coins and evo at 4pp is broken

[cursive crypt]

The only reason going 2nd fewls good is because you can evolve your 4 drop on curve

[fading echo]

going first gets evo at 5pp so you're aways playing defensive if you're not aggro

[gritty anvil]

funny is that lishena can trade into filene without dying

[gritty anvil]

yes and also

i can do theater into egg

or puppetter

and ye because lishenna is 4 drop u dont need to save coin

[cursive crypt]

Did you play vs afk haven yet

[gritty anvil]

bro

i played like 30 games

i saw 1 haven

and lost

that dude had no clue what he was doing

[fading echo]

actually the deck has so much draw i had a couple of games where i was almost burning cards because i was saving the removals

that new portal draw 3 is goated

[gritty anvil]

they played himeka and forget to super evo her

actually no faced 2

one knew what he was doing but i rolled him over

his deck wasnt really doing anything

[warped granite]

feels 50-50 as aggrobyss player. maybe slightly favoured to aggrobyss

[gritty anvil]

no

wait

what u mean aggro

sword ?

or abyss

[warped granite]

i did beat all egg players in my dailies today though but it's down to the wire

[cursive crypt]

I just can't bring myself to craft haven cause again, you need to play marwyn on curve or your deck sucks

[gritty anvil]

im shitting on sword with list i have so i dont know

if i was facing normal midrange

it would be harder for sure

honestly egg portal have lots of slots u can tech card depends on meta which is nice

like i can remove dogged one for example and add like i dont know apollo maybe

[cursive crypt]

Honestly I thought egg is favored but I guess aggro abyss just has too much damage still

[gritty anvil]

but i kinda want to add third dogged one vs rune

its good

[cursive crypt]

Does aggro abyss even run any new card

[gritty anvil]

well she won me a lot of games already

[gritty anvil]

dogged one

only propably

[fading echo]

mini maisha is good at 10pp you can just deal 10 damage face with odin

[gritty anvil]

and that apollo 3 drop

chose mode

shes pretty good

[cursive crypt]

Can't be good, what would you even replace

Yea true the new Apollo

That's it ig

[gritty anvil]

well my aggro list runs apollo mukan and olivia

those are cuttable

[warped granite]

1 game the guy had 3 of the 2-2 boys that deal 2 damage and still lost

but I think it's very close

[gritty anvil]

apollo u replace with that chick

and olivia or mukan for dogged one

[warped granite]

it's probably 50-50

[gritty anvil]

i dont think portal lose to abyss aggro

[fading echo]

if they add this lishenna deck will actually be broken https://shadowverse-portal.com/card/111831030?lang=en

[gritty anvil]

they have too much sustain

and good early game

cheap ward axia aswell

[warped granite]

portal never lost to abyss aggro even in previous patch tbh, puppet kills abyss

[gritty anvil]

no it def lose to aggro

[warped granite]

if anything egg seems weaker vs abyss because of no puppet plays

[gritty anvil]

before

what

[warped granite]

no way, puppet never lost to abyss aggro

[gritty anvil]

??

yes it can

[warped granite]

it always can but it's 30-70

[gritty anvil]

nah no way

[cursive crypt]

Puppet wins but artifact loses to aggro abyss

[gritty anvil]

well i dont know

when u dont draw any heals

and u have only what

sylvia

and thats pretty expensive

[warped granite]

puppet is also aggro

[gritty anvil]

eudie heals too slow

[warped granite]

so abyss gets cleared and finished by odin or orchis at 7-8

[gritty anvil]

ye but abyss aggro can kill even if they lost on board

[cursive crypt]

Nah puppet will clear everything for free lol

They will draw every 2 drop in existence and u can't stick anything

[gritty anvil]

it should not go that late

if it goes that late

abyss aggro lost

wait are puppets consider aggro deck ?

isnt that more like midrange

[warped granite]

it's not realistic to finish everything by turn 6 every game especially if nothing sticks

[cursive crypt]

Yes lol

[warped granite]

puppet last patch was definitely aggro

[gritty anvil]

hmm ok

[cursive crypt]

Puppet ran every single 2 drop in existence bro

[gritty anvil]

i need to try even new puppets

with new cards

but fuck that

eggs are more fun

[warped granite]

puppeteer, the boy, puppet theatre, it was a nightmare as a puppet player I enjoyed seeing abyss

[gritty anvil]

but ye u right its aggro deck i never even though about it lol

[warped granite]

definitely, puppets are boring and basically draw orchis you win, you don't draw you lose

[gritty anvil]

honestly i think

u can run lishenna

in classic puppets

but u just dont summon more than one egg

but is that even worth ?

but u can run that broken draw amulet

[warped granite]

probably not, better run the whole egg package

[gritty anvil]

without orchis

ye because axia is kinda like orchis

scuffed orchis

[mystic tartan]

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[gritty anvil]

but shes early drop

[mystic tartan]

Gildaria

[gritty anvil]

which is important

[mystic tartan]

[gritty anvil]

they are in shop rn ?

call @umbral seal

[mystic tartan]

idk

[gritty anvil]

he propably gonna buy it

[mystic tartan]

lul

[gritty anvil]

he really like gildaria

bro eggs mirrors are most cancerous mirrors

i dont even know

how to play it properly

its basically who draw faster eggs

i guesss

i tried to odin eggs

but still lost in mirror

[umbral seal]

Thought about it.

[warped granite]

https://old.reddit.com/r/Shadowverse/comments/1n2vc8w/ok_its_happening_now_everybody_stay_calm/ this is 5Head

10 heals with no crest

also thats moon al miraj right? waiting for her card cygames

[blissful olive]

yeah its a stupid interaction

[gritty anvil]

ye honestly haven might be lowkey good i just dont see it

[blissful olive]

but u also need 5 crests so its w/e

[gritty anvil]

at all

on ladder

[primal isle]

ward usurp seems funny

[wild gale]

Haven finally out heals

[blissful olive]

it sure does

[gritty anvil]

chose mode abyss lose to rune right?

[blissful olive]

pure faith yes

its borderline impossible

[gritty anvil]

i picked abyss prebuilt

was most value

[fading echo]

you know what's funny that card titania and yurius are the only cards i didn't get a single copy on set 2

[gritty anvil]

[blissful olive]

literally picked my faith control

and said

here comes the rune

and of fucking course

[gritty anvil]

im facing almost no rune

[blissful olive]

this game is shit

[gritty anvil]

very little

weird

as portal

[warped granite]

everyones bored of sword and rune ig

[umbral seal]

They're not, I promise.

[blissful olive]

last match

played rune

this match sword

[gritty anvil]

im facing tons of dragons

[blissful olive]

yep

at least faith control is pretty consistent until rune shows up lol

lowkey this game would be light years better if they just balanced rune properly

[gritty anvil]

get fucked rune cuck

[wild gale]

Dclimb 30 cost

Problem aolved

[blissful olive]

honestly it shouldnt be part of the game or just do something with satan

1 card i win no counter play shake my hand ? shouldnt exist period

[red plover]

cant wait to grind out with crest haven later today

[gritty anvil]

very good list

from sv wins

[wild gale]

Should I craft?

Or wait for more packs

[gritty anvil]

i crafted

like i even win some games vs rune its really not bad deck atleast this early in meta

[umbral seal]

Still struggling, but I'm climbing.

[blissful olive]

using the same list from earlier?

[umbral seal]

No.

But it's not that much different.

Playing Galmieux on curve is really important, though.

Start collecting the 0 cost clears for combos.

[gritty anvil]

rune is now even better with tablets so stupid

[umbral seal]

Genesis Dragon is a 2 of.

[gritty anvil]

now they can almost guarantee cockytus

on 10

[umbral seal]

Ain't no "almost". It is guaranteed.

It makes the deck very consistent.

[gritty anvil]

but ye its still beatable with portal if they dont draw too many heals

[blissful olive]

i seen a few ppl try the ward boy

but i dont like him honestly

[umbral seal]

"Like" is irrelevant. I use what's effective.

He's a very good 3 drop, especially after overflow.

[blissful olive]

idk

he just doesnt seem powerful on paper

[gritty anvil]

hmm i finally see haven in action

it actually counters portal

[umbral seal]

"On paper" is also irrelevant. This is why I playtest things.

For dozens of games

[gritty anvil]

but it auto lose to rune or forest

[umbral seal]

Before coming to a conclusion

[blissful olive]

notice ur not running the 6 drop

[umbral seal]

Tried it. Does nothing in this meta.

Like I legit cannot get value out of it

[unkempt lava]

I think loot sword just bricks

[blissful olive]

really? idk hes been good for me

5/4 3 to all

unironically ward haven lowkey shits on dragon rn

i know u want out lets go baby

bros dead dead

[gritty anvil]

mirror so stupid lol

[mystic tartan]

kek

[gritty anvil]

[warped granite]

any complaints about loot sword yet?

[lone agate]

no problems with it as dragon

[wild gale]

Loot sword is trash compared to mid range

[fading echo]

doesn't loot beat mid range because they can wipe the board and do face damage at the same time

and has more healing than mid

[silver tide]

loot doesnt seem very good

[molten root]

one of the fastest on the ladder, pretty consistent from the results im seeing and seems pretty popular that the list latest adjustments on ladder is to deal with mirror loot

first list to gm also by multiple people the first one was pretty damn fast

[warped granite]

btw @umbral seal you can kick me from the guild, I don't have much fun with the game anymore

I'm just gonna watch

[warped granite]

yeah i dont believe it's weak

[fading echo]

Haven players are all mentally ill

20 minutes match with the stall deck

[umbral seal]

Proof that y'all will complain about anything that's meta

Why even play the game if bitching is your whole personality?

[warped granite]

Any decks that haven't been complained yet?

[umbral seal]

Personally, I haven't found a way to beat crest haven as dragon

Feels incredibly unfavored

[molten root]

i was just stating statistical facts i haven’t formed an opinion on the set yet haven’t played enough against everything haven’t played as everything it just came out so idk whos the y’all and bitching

[umbral seal]

That's fine. I'll make room later if need be but there's space as is

[true abyss]

https://shadowverse-wb.ccgmaster.com/en/meta

Loot t1 apparently

Day one list

Massive grain of salt

[fading echo]

What bitching

The guy doing stall deck is like he's sitting there doing cbt to himself and forcing me to watch

They deserve getting satan dclimb at that point

[warped granite]

Seems reflective of my experiences

Aggro is pared down for sure

But can still win

[umbral seal]

It's not

[fading echo]

Yeah egg portal you 100% need to get at least two eggs going early or it's over so feels like set 2 dragon gamble deck

[true abyss]

Yeah idk about that as well, but it's aight

[warped granite]

Ok don't think loot is alone in t1 though but seems stronger than a lot of people think

[true abyss]

@blissful olive can you share your abyss deck?

[true abyss]

What's the best deck according to you rn?

[fading echo]

Loot is good just requires some thinking unlike the old sword decks

[true abyss]

I feel its tablet rune and roach

But people will adjust to them as more people start playing them

[true abyss]

Ye

Imo old middlerange sword is also amazing in this meta

[umbral seal]

Destruction portal, crest haven, faith abyss, spellboost rune. Not in that order but they give me the most trouble.

Loot sword has very high turn 7 burst with Sinciro & Octrice's spell but that's not reliable

Requires a lot of set up

[true abyss]

As dragon?

[molten root]

good reflection of whats going on but needs time to see which more consistent but loot can farm points fast so

[umbral seal]

Correct. I actually haven't beaten Haven once.

[true abyss]

Are we sure loot is better than old middlerange sword tho

[umbral seal]

It's not a stall deck, it's a burn deck

[molten root]

its difficult to say yet but seems faster so far

[true abyss]

I feel like full faith abyss is the ward haven of this set

[molten root]

if what im hearing that win lose points in grand master sticks to +9 / -21 and its not because of a wide spread matchmaking early you will find what really sticks

[fading echo]

Does the victory card from jerry not get replace by satan? I think someone did a satan after jerry to thin out the deck

[true abyss]

I can make 1 deck in between loot, faith, and egg, I'll just play roach till the meta settles in between them i guess

[true abyss]

I did it to someone

Nah victory card doesn't get changed

[true abyss]

You lose rank there?

[fading echo]

Wow then you can make the jerry combo with dragon and rune i think

[true abyss]

How rune

No Raoi is not a rune card

[umbral seal]

You want to build it to be less control and more midrange but it's good. Nothing will outvalue you after 10 faith

Fellas gotta kill you before that point

[fading echo]

Just dclimb after jerry and after satan

[true abyss]

Ofcourse i forgot

[umbral seal]

Pretty sure you still don't

You only lose pts in take two

[fading echo]

I think if you tablet the satan deck it becomes 4 cards + the victory so you win every time

[true abyss]

Just requires an insane amount set up

[wild gale]

It's just that faith takes forever to build up

[umbral seal]

It doesn't. You can reliably proc it by the time ginsetsu comes down

And a lot of the modal cards are good before that point

[wild gale]

But yeah it's basically a better control abyss with an end goal

Lego creep though

[true abyss]

Just roach

[fading echo]

I think all the new non top tier deck can be pretty good if they get more support but the same was said last set and they got nothing so who knows with these devs

[molten root]

i think you lose CR

[molten root]

what i like about loot its that its pretty interactive

what scares me about loot down the line is how easy it is to shit out different loot cards

[warped granite]

Ahhh I know why I haven't seen sword myself, or the EN streamer I watched

They're all already in grandmaster

Watching JP grandmaster streamer and it's all loot sword mirrors

[true abyss]

Sword domination again

Sword is the problem not my rune deck

[warped granite]

Oh in grand master CR points actually goes up and down, so I guess that's where the real MMR applies

[true abyss]

I'm still in A1

It will take me ages to get there

[fading echo]

Egg portal mirror was pretty fun

He was running the new neutral legendary with drain and i was running olivia though

[fading echo]

Dude there's no way this shit isn't rigged

Game threw 4 havencucks at me on portal i switch to rune and i get forest

[mystic tartan]

man i feel bad for this aggro abyss

i double heal evo norman

[blissful olive]

[mystic tartan]

[true abyss]

Faith abyss is expensive af

[true abyss]

Show me your deck

[blissful olive]

which version

control or mid range

@true abyss

[true abyss]

Which one got you more success

[blissful olive]

probably mid range maybe

like control is very good but vs rune ur struggling while mid range is fine vs everything

after this game i can

prob not much diff than most lists tho

thats mid range splashing faith

and this is full control

[blissful olive]

when roach goes wrong lol

[true abyss]

I really don't wana craft 3x aragavy

[blissful olive]

hes a staple in every abyss deck until he rotates out

[fading echo]

Rune player getting tortured

[blissful olive]

kinda wanna try that deck lol

it seems goofy as fuck

[primal isle]

anyone spendie on the new set

[blissful olive]

yes

kunc spent 500 million peso

for dragons with big boobies

[primal isle]

wurth

[fading echo]

Yeah if rune evos for the onion you can just not drop anything and brick him

Keep some slots open though if you go full egg rune can have that buff that doubles the onion attack and you won't be able to clear

Gonna add that new neutral legendary though not much for the drain just the extra face damage

Drain is a bonus

[blissful olive]

its good

its a removal or a buffer

[fading echo]

We will be here for a long time

[true abyss]

This is the reason I don't wana play egg

The mirror is absolutely cancer

[gritty anvil]

lol is crest haven really that bad ?

tier 3 ?

[true abyss]

Kind of the same problem as ward haven? You need a specific lego on curve

But it's better cus you can't banish the a powerful effect

[cursive crypt]

its a bit better because u can tutor marwyn (kind of) if you dont draw it on curve

if rune and roach are popular crest haven would struggle a lot more

[fading echo]

Yep 10 years he won because he had the stupid ass 5 face damage legendary

[fading echo]

Actually beat a loot sword

I think the game pulled me out of losersq after the lose streak

[gritty anvil]

its not that hard match up

for eggs

[cursive crypt]

brro

the last game i went vs a jerry deck

that played jerry on curve

fuck off

in take 2?

[gritty anvil]

your first 7 wins ?

[cursive crypt]

this season yea

[gritty anvil]

no i mean in total

[cursive crypt]

unmm this is like 4th or 5th

[gritty anvil]

how many classes u got 7 wins ?

[cursive crypt]

i dont remember

[gritty anvil]

u really using all your rupies ?

on take two ?

i couldnt do it man i had itch to open packs

i still played some take two not much

[cursive crypt]

nah taht would take too long unless im legit going 0-2 every run

[gritty anvil]

so far i crafted 2 decks

mode abyss and lishenna portal

need few more vials to craft dragon

[cursive crypt]

last season i only won 3

[gritty anvil]

i got one 7 wins this season so far

with dragon

[cursive crypt]

i actually only had wins in 2 classes

[gritty anvil]

and previous i didnt even play take two

[cursive crypt]

dragon is pretty strong yeah, prob the best after abyss

[gritty anvil]

garyu is so strong

in take 2

that deck went 7 wins with 2 garyu

[cursive crypt]

ye hes too hard to clear for most classes

and haven is pretty dogshit now cause they havent done any balancing yet

[gritty anvil]

i though crest haven was decent

apparently not lol

[cursive crypt]

it is

im talking about haven in take 2

[red plover]

so stupid that they took away their rerolls again with a more polluted pool

[gritty anvil]

oh

[cursive crypt]

haven just got more undraftable cards ye

[gritty anvil]

u tried crest haven ?

[red plover]

not yet, playing too much take two

[gritty anvil]

i mean in ranked

[cursive crypt]

ive played only rose queen

[red plover]

Ive only been playing take two is what Im saying

[cursive crypt]

cafted 2 rose queens just for that

lowkey wanna craft izudia as well but it will set me -30k vials so im waitingt till i get more packs opened

my izudia draft is something like this

fuckin 3 gilnelise man

[fading echo]

100% need her to burst in the mirror

She's also just decent in general

[cursive crypt]

yea just collect all the gilnelise tokens

crest haven is doing the same

[fading echo]

Her +2/-2 debuff is good for trades too

[gritty anvil]

i actually open 2 izudia in packs

but 0 krulle

[cursive crypt]

you can prob try it without krulle anyway

but on 4 its pretty good

cause it clears the board

without evo

i opened jerry as my first legendary

[red plover]

playing jerry on curve in take two is so busted

[cursive crypt]

ye

[red plover]

thats what Im doing right now

[cursive crypt]

i played vs that as my last opponent

and i was 6-1

thank god abyss is broken

[red plover]

3 matches in a row I start with jerry in hand

[umbral seal]

You might as well say you don't want to play Abyss at all

He's mandatory in aggro, midrange and control

Also, did anyone here pull a leader naturally this set?

I still haven't.

[gritty anvil]

albert in abyss

mode abyss is actually so fun if u dodge rune

haven is also pretty ass match up

[umbral seal]

Choo choo, motherfuckers.

GM on the way.

[gritty anvil]

i actually love gilnelise shes such strong card

nice im farming with mode abyss too

[umbral seal]

My list.

Probably not much different from a standard list.

Gonna craft some globes to gild some more cards

I think the only game I've ever lost to Loot Sword was to a fella who played all 3 quickbladers on turns 1 and 2

I can't beat that sort of luck

[gritty anvil]

i still running medusa

[umbral seal]

I'd argue this meta is worse because the strength given to control decks made aggro abyss go from tier 1 last set to non-existent now.

[gritty anvil]

also vuelle

[umbral seal]

Useless in this meta.

[gritty anvil]

no

i have it vs norman

or mirror

[umbral seal]

Medusa against Rune is not going to help you kill them. Never did.

[gritty anvil]

saved me many times

[umbral seal]

It'll stop you from dying to Norman itself

[gritty anvil]

yes

thats the point

or when they super evo kuon turn 10

i can kill their board

[umbral seal]

But I'd rather create situations where they don't feel comfortable creating golems over healing

They only create golems when they don't need to draw or don't need to heal

Likely not going to change my list. The cards you have in your list are not bad. They just don't make the cut.

Even in my list, which is maximizing almost all mode cards, some games I can't get it online as fast as I'd like

[gritty anvil]

do what best work for u

[umbral seal]

Due to setting up crypt + soldier + cerb

Anyone want to run some games?

[gritty anvil]

thats my list bit greedy but it works well

i really like vuelle in this deck because synergy with gilnelise healing

also with buffing amulet shes nice

[umbral seal]

If you need confirmation of how bad Dragon is right now, there's not a single person on SV wins yet who has even a 5 match win streak in diamond master with it

Rune doesn't either but as polarizing as it is, it's not that easy to climb with

Which is something I've said from the very start

[gritty anvil]

really ?

damn rip

fuck this game was crazy

i stole his cock but never use it

[umbral seal]

Master Diamond is all Crest Haven

Not even surprised based on what I saw yesterday

Literally a burn deck

[gritty anvil]

this combo is awesome

[umbral seal]

Also, feels like the Roach players are truly extinct this time

Probably due to Crest Haven players

[gritty anvil]

lmao sword played 3 albert and scirio and still wasnt able to kill me

all were enhance 9

that silver abyss 4 drop is soo broken

its such powerful card

[warped granite]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml8EYLyJpX8 its all mirrors

[gritty anvil]

ok after playing dragon

its actually dogshit

u literally gonna lose to all meta decks

abyss portal rune haven

unplayable

in diamond

[mystic tartan]

dragonge

[cursive crypt]

What's new bro, every season it's all sword

I think if crest haven keeps getting high playrate people are gonna go back to rune as well

So nothing changed

The only thing that changes is roach being unplayable because u can't win vs loot sword

[gritty anvil]

ok full healing mode dragon fuck disdain package

and aoe

[cursive crypt]

no tablet?

[gritty anvil]

i might add one

but ye this list is actually good vs sword

[gritty anvil]

maybe disdain package is just copium

[warped granite]

yeah i saw a match roach vs loot sword it's very difficult, like you get board cleared + 8 face damage on turn 6

but i think crest haven matches up well vs loot

[umbral seal]

Disdain dragon is already good against Sword. Sword is not an issue in this meta.

Your deck will not beat Crest Haven

And that deck is running rampant right now

[silver tide]

been playing a bit of just

i guess ramp storm dragon

its kinda fun

mostly cuz i pulled fucking 5 azurifrits

is the silver 2pp disdain amulet worth playing

id play a third of the 5pp leg but i dont own

[umbral seal]

The amulet is useful for comboing with devotee and Galmieux. 2 copies at most

Galmieux needs to be a 3 of

If you're going to run her at all

[silver tide]

the original list i was looking at doesnt play devotee but you have like basically no draw without it early

probably gonna cut 1 neptune and a filene for the 2 amulets

[umbral seal]

I wouldn't do that either

[silver tide]

what to cut then

[umbral seal]

I'd reduce Rider & Merman to 2

[silver tide]

really

[umbral seal]

Yup.

[silver tide]

do you just hard mull and pray for low curve early?

ive bricked drawing triple 7s so many times

[umbral seal]

I dunno what you mean by pray. My list doesn't tend to brick at all.

I stopped playing dragon in sapphire master because the crest haven match is awful but I'll send my list

I've yet to find a dragon list that doesn't lose to crest haven, which is why I swapped to Abyss Mode recently to get to Diamond Master

First two matches once I hit diamond were Crest Haven

🙃

[mystic tartan]

Haven Crestge

[gritty anvil]

how long i stay in diamond

[silver tide]

yeah i just played into a crest

cant really win that

so much removal

[umbral seal]

Entirely dependent on how much haven you face

[silver tide]

probably gonna be a stop in 2 weeks angle if its control meta

not really interested in slow meta

that or its shell out and craft all the loot sword piece

[true abyss]

i played roach

it's pretty fucking difficult to pilot

@cursive crypt any tips?

[umbral seal]

Loot Sword is the only "aggro" deck that really works right now but it's far from brainless

[silver tide]

yeah then its a wait for xpac 4 angle

[umbral seal]

Being able to only fuse once per turn means you need to think ahead

[umbral seal]

Practice.

That's it, really.

Also, bounce lambents often for more 0 costs to pump up roach damage

Once you have one roach in hand, you don't have to care that much about milling if you can't help it

[lone agate]

loving dragon really cool deck

[wild gale]

Don't play roach in this meta

I'm thinking about piloting greatwood warrior just for fun

[true abyss]

Y? Seems pretty strong rn

[wild gale]

Maybe you're still at the rank where no one has a full meta deck

[fading echo]

life finds a way

they put orchis in egg

[gritty anvil]

orchis in eggs is kinda stupid ngl

what the

[fading echo]

the tech is if you have 2 eggs you trade loyd into the thing you wanna kill first and super evo for 6 face +1 into something else

she's for removal of big bodies and face damage since loyd kills anything and she has 8 atk on super evo it's pretty good

you can also not trade loyd and let one of the 3/3s die if you need a ward for some reason

[gritty anvil]

yoo

[cursive crypt]

Nah roach is good vs crest haven, any version of abyss, rune and portal

The problem is you lose to loot sword and everyone plays loot sword

You kinda lose to galmieux dragon too

[gritty anvil]

ye sword is again most popular craft

basically if deck cant beat sword its not meta viable

[umbral seal]

I don't run into Sword that often

I'ma test out Jerry Dragon, though. Seeing the Fennie + Cocytus OTK has me interested.

[red plover]

already died to that deck, couldnt really do anything about it

died to the victory card on turn 9, dont think they can do that combo any faster than that

[umbral seal]

Depends. That deck just runs ramp and stall. If they play the amulet on curve, you're cooked, basically.

It's probably the only version of Dragon that beats Crest Haven

Which is why I want to try it.

Something like this, probably?

[cursive crypt]

Play 3 coc and jerry no? Don't you need to reduce them

With fennie

[umbral seal]

No need when I have 3 tablets. Having more fennie's is more important because more discounts is nice for high tempo plays.

Having more than 1 CoC or Jerry is pointless because, outside of desperation

They shouldn't be used before you have the otk

Rubies are in the deck in case I draw either early

But realistically, the only discount that's important is getting CoC to 5

So he can be comboed with Jerry, regardless if he's discounted or not.

[red plover]

I always see people use that dolphin boy as well

oh wait, thats not even a dolphin

[umbral seal]

I'm not even sure if Raging Lightning is correct tbh

[cursive crypt]

True u don't really need to discount Jerry. But i feel like it's gonna be a bit hard to draw the three of them in the correct order even after playing tablet

Jerry token is lowkey good lol

[umbral seal]

Only thing that matters is discounting CoC. I'm still fine-tuning the deck, though

[umbral seal]

Haven cuck didn't let me see the animation.

[umbral seal]

Nothing lowkey about it. It's 1 mana, destroy anything.

[red plover]

one turn before he would have won with jerry

game actually is so fun to play when the meta isnt completely established yet

[true abyss]

I mean you were bming

[true abyss]

i managed to pull off a 20 dmg otk finally probably could have lethaled before but im learning

[umbral seal]

I was going to end turn right after, I swear

[umbral seal]

Anyone want to run some lobby games? Tryna fine tune Jerry Dragon

Think it has potential

[red plover]

I can if you want to play against crest haven

[umbral seal]

I don't mind.

Playing against meta decks would be preferred, even.

[red plover]

where u at

[umbral seal]

One sec, was making some edits

Sent a friend request so I can warp to you

[red plover]

some femboy vrc character just sent me a friend request in discord and I thought it was you for a second

[umbral seal]

[gritty anvil]

[umbral seal]

@red plover You definitely shouldn't have attacked there imo

Oh wait. Torrent is random.

TIL

[red plover]

yea

[umbral seal]

Never mind

[red plover]

was not gonna attack if it hit the right one

yea, pretty nothing I can do at this point

[umbral seal]

Yup

[red plover]

tablet on curve is just too good

[umbral seal]

Yeah. Sometimes I just don't get it

But when I do

Usually a win

One more?

[red plover]

yea I can do some more

[gritty anvil]

[umbral seal]

Hm, maybe I shouldn't have gone for early cocytus

[red plover]

it feels like a trap sometimes

I have coc as well, but I so rarely use him

didnt draw the damage card

[umbral seal]

Crest Haven should probably run Odin, tbh

I would've been dead

[red plover]

well thats what the 4 damage 4 heal card is for

but yea maybe

[umbral seal]

I mean, that's a good card but surely there's room for Odin

[red plover]

I havent seen any crest haven run it yet but sounds like a good finisher for sure

but usually you dont face that many jerry decks

the drain girl is also good for that but also didnt draw her

[umbral seal]

Yeah, Gilnelise. She's good.

[red plover]

pretty versatile too if you need that clutch heal

or just need to delete something with the -2

I guess the easiest way to tell if youre going against a jerry deck is if they dont really go for face

[red plover]

stealing someones coc and then beating him with it when

[gritty anvil]

i wish she could buff her self 2 times

that would be so good

but shes still great

gilnelise

[umbral seal]

It's funny, because this version of Gilnelise is the weakest one. Yet it's still strong.

🙃

https://shadowverse-portal.com/card/123041020?lang=en

https://shadowverse.fandom.com/wiki/Gilnelise,_Omen_of_Craving - could argue this was the weakest one but in a deck with sticky followers, this is basically a turn 7 finisher.

Haven't run into any Crest Havens in the past hour. The only aggro deck on ladder right now is Sword.

[gritty anvil]

its kinda funny how benison was meme card and now its in main deck lol

[gritty anvil]

if she was doing exactly this in this game do u think she would be played here?

[umbral seal]

It would be played in Abyss for sure for Turn 6 zombie, turn 7 gilnelise, turn 8 cerb

Sword token decks aren't as resilient in this game but it would be played still imo

But definitely a less versatile card

[gritty anvil]

i gues ye ambush + drain is also good

[umbral seal]

Than the version we have

[gritty anvil]

ye

btw himeka is actually really broken if they have full board

basically lock u for one turn

i lost to jerry deck like that

[umbral seal]

She's not broken because board lock situations are not that common. People would run 3 copies if she was broken, but she's decent enough to run as a 1 of for when that situation does come up

[gritty anvil]

well this was in jerry

i dont know if crest runs

3

[umbral seal]

They definitely don't. Also, I haven't run into a pure Jerry deck yet

The only thing I run is the otk deck

[gritty anvil]

i lost to jery forest

he had always good answer

to my boards

[umbral seal]

Playing the real jerry deck is basically letting luck take the wheel.

[gritty anvil]

yes

its big rng

if u draw actually playable cards againts enemy board

[umbral seal]

Because outside of setting up certain amulets prior, you have very little control over how the game goes. Besides not making major misplays with what you're given

And some interactions might not be immediately obvious since there's cards from every craft

[gritty anvil]

its so hard to find consitent dragon deck

i

i guess there is none

[umbral seal]

I gave up on Disdain Dragon. I have an otk list that you can try out but it's still a WIP

I went 2-1 with @red plover when I was testing it against his crest haven

[gritty anvil]

its fennie deck ?

with otk

btw u know what i saw dark side discounted with strike lmao

i lost to it

[gritty anvil]

i had no clue ppl run something like that

i was at 11 hp

he had no more evo

so i was like im out of range

and he played genesis + 0 cost dark side

lol

[umbral seal]

Probably the 1st time outta dozens of times it actually worked

[gritty anvil]

oh ye i saw this otk

[umbral seal]

Works better than Disdain, unironically

The genesis is there in case there's an opportunity to win the game normally

[gritty anvil]

i think biggest problem of dragon

they dont have enoufh good card draw engine

its so many games that my hand size is so small

[umbral seal]

Well, that's what tablet is for. And once tablet is played, greatness ascended is online

Very good card.

[gritty anvil]

well do u play tablet