Shadowverse

[wild gale]

3 Olivia?

[mystic tartan]

Olivia is op

[warped granite]

Yeah as I expected Charon (or that 2 mana for 3 units) in place of excella

[umbral seal]

Yes.

[mystic tartan]

in abyss and dragon

[warped granite]

3 excellas are brick city

[wild gale]

Yeah but she bricked my opening hand on one match against you

You could tell because I was skipping turns left and right

[umbral seal]

It's very rare to brick as aggro

[mystic tartan]

[umbral seal]

Your overall curve is hella low

[mystic tartan]

i mean did u have that card

that i shared

[wild gale]

No

[mystic tartan]

this one

wtf

[wild gale]

That's run in control abyss no?

[mystic tartan]

put that in

it can be clutch

cus u can run ghost

nvm its not for aggro

[umbral seal]

Personally, I think soiree is too slow for aggro

[wild gale]

If you have to play zombie man at anytime as aggro you're kinda cooked

[fading echo]

So let me get this straight the devs expect me to pay 2 packs worth of gold to play with dogshit decks versus sword rune and abyss because that's all people pick

[wild gale]

Yeah

[fading echo]

And then potentially just lose because i got fucked by rng

[wild gale]

Also

You shouldn't be playing rune

Too luck dependent

[fading echo]

I think I'm good on that mode

Maybe i can play when they give free tickets but doesn't seem worth at all

[warped granite]

Not sure if you're taking the piss here

[fading echo]

To actually pay to get in unless you love playing sword

[warped granite]

Oh NVM it's take two

I'm 4 0 with puppets currently, might be 4 2 by tomorrow but I'm satisfied already

[wild gale]

Rune when they don't have army of legendary to carry

Anyone did forest run?

[warped granite]

The 5 mana bronze who summons a 1/5 taunt is actually cracked in TT

[wild gale]

I might do that

[fading echo]

I played forest and got fucked 0/2

Too many dogshit cards

[wild gale]

Damn what you got fucked by

[fading echo]

Sword and abyss

[wild gale]

Actually you're right

I thought forest would be nice

[fading echo]

I could have played puppet but i assumed it would be even more dogshit than forest

[wild gale]

But they run out of steam in endgame without roachy boy

[fading echo]

I got 1 roach in the options

Forest just aint it

[wild gale]

[mystic tartan]

just pick sword its the safest

[fading echo]

The game sure gave me dogshit 3pp 1/1 fairy option 6 times though

Xdd

This just shows how so many classes need very specific cards that are actually good

While others are just straight up every card is good

And the 5pp dwarf popped up a lot too the one that needs combo so he's actually 7pp xdd

Actually even puppet must not be that good since you need orchis to win and she can just not show

Yep take two is actually take sword

[umbral seal]

Reminder that take two is not about trying to recreate a constructed deck.

The win condition in draft modes for any card game is, generally, to out-value your opponent

Was the same in Hearthstone and SV1.

Achim, for example, is already good enough in ranked and he's even better in take two because he'll have way more potential targets to steal

On a similar note, picking Roach in take two is premium bait

Unless you already drafted enough cards to make a bootleg combo deck

[fading echo]

That's not the issue

The issue is getting random cards from the selected craft when so many crafts have so many unusable trash while others have almost every card with insane value

So everyone is just gonna pick the same craft with the best cards because there's less chance of getting fucked by rng

[umbral seal]

I agree that sword is overloaded with value, and everyone predicted it'd be all sword once we knew we had control over the craft we can pick.

[blissful olive]

this is why every1 went sword

its the best deck on a low budget

[fading echo]

Yeah sword works with anything but then you have shit like portal and forest that need x card or they lose so it's just swordXswordXabyss mode

[umbral seal]

Without nerfing cards, what they could do besides making the craft picks rng, they could add a weighting system, where things like sword are less likely to draw high power cards compared to something like forest, for example

[wild gale]

What is the hardest class for take two

I'm going to win all games with it

[fading echo]

Rune healed for 12 and still died

[wild gale]

[fading echo]

Any combo deck

[wild gale]

Is it rune?

[fading echo]

Nah

Rune has raw op cards

[umbral seal]

Probably forest. I wouldn't say Rune because they have several high value cards

[fading echo]

I think forest and af are combo heavy

[wild gale]

Ok

Imma win all games with forest

EZ

[fading echo]

Good luck 🫡

[lone agate]

the promised forest player

[blissful olive]

lowkey

make take 2 full draft exp

leaders only cosmetic

play with everything

[fading echo]

I think the idea would be cool because sometimes you would tank a bad card to get a good card but the balance makes it kusoge

[lone agate]

they just had to copy hs

[fading echo]

It's funny the people that don't pick sword/rune/abyss will notice how the other crafts have so many dog cards

[silver tide]

i dont think the gap is as big as people think

dragon has very solid low rarity cards in a vacuum

portal doesnt actually need that many piece generators to get online for artifact dupers

[fiery pulsar]

i think dragon is going to be a menace next set

[silver tide]

the hardest would be 3 omnis for ralma but really you only need 2 for the spell, alouette etc

plus puppets are very strong in vacuum as well

haven is rough because some of their powerhouse cards require you to have certain other cards in deck for synergy same with forest

[fading echo]

Puppets don't have a wincon because they don't hit face without orchis and they don't stay on the board

[silver tide]

thats why you cant just play pure puppet

[fading echo]

It's a pretty shit deck without her or that 10pp explosion

[silver tide]

you need to play both

the liam guy is ok ish but needs evo to burn

you have to play hybrid unless you roll the nuts

but take 2 is a format where just having board prio is a wincon

you just punch them every turn til they die

since you have board prio

it helps to have other wincon but its not strictly necessary

[fading echo]

I think af and puppet both don't have board prio because they don't vomit stuff like sword without legendaries it's always just 2 or 3 mobs with low hp

Sword and abyss are much better for take 2 because they spam infinite followers

[silver tide]

well yeah but its that

people are really overexaggerating

how big the difference is

at least for some classes

everyone is like dragon kekw until you get hit in the face by 5/5 intimidate

[mystic tartan]

alright im kinda satisfied i won 3 times with dogshit deck

in take two

[silver tide]

i finish my draft tomorrow maybe

my deck is basically carried by bearguy

the game i played during server issue

got medusaed

[fading echo]

I think they don't even need that if you get otohime it's gg

[silver tide]

bearguy counter

got cerbed

bearguy

[fading echo]

But that's more rng than sword anyway

[silver tide]

cleared bearguy

albert on 9

gg

see a bearguy

pick a bearguy

[fading echo]

Where's the portal free super evo card

That 6pp legendary should have a condition to get super evo for free

[cursive crypt]

this guy isnt playing 2 pick bro wtf?

[mystic tartan]

i got carried by a fucking squirrel

[mystic tartan]

[silver tide]

gildaria very good but idk if its gonna be free sevo that often

since you dont necessarily get lumi mage or shit to spam token

bearguy is bascially always sevoed

[cursive crypt]

it got worse

[silver tide]

regardless

[cursive crypt]

4 noah and 2 alouette?

[silver tide]

[wild gale]

Rose queen or amatz

Guys

I'm thinking rose queen for a finisher

Should be decent in take two

Yeah?

[umbral seal]

No.

[fading echo]

It's not about often it's just having resources after evos are gone that's too much privilege

[silver tide]

yeah

bearguy is that

[wild gale]

I get titania tho

[silver tide]

without a conditional

[wild gale]

[silver tide]

im not joking about see bearguy pick bearguy

[umbral seal]

You are completely missing the point of take two

[wild gale]

Ok amatz finisher then

[fading echo]

Who

[wild gale]

Bummer

[silver tide]

i used 1 evo that game

he used both normal and 1 sevo

[umbral seal]

Keeping board and out valuing your opponent is more important

[silver tide]

yet i have board prio

because bearguy

[umbral seal]

Than having a finisher

In this format

[silver tide]

bearguy the goat

[fading echo]

Oh that guy

Yeah he's op

[silver tide]

yurius is also like

pretty op

[blissful olive]

the rats are the best thing in take 2 change my mind

[fading echo]

He's pretty much the portal legendary but doesn't need super evo to hit twice and has rush

[silver tide]

no answer in draft

[fading echo]

[silver tide]

= free win

[umbral seal]

Jeno is a pretty unfair card in take two because he will clear evo'd units without evo unless they have bane

[blissful olive]

yurias is good IF they dont have a board already

[silver tide]

yeah hes like

the strongest "free sevo" card

i think stronger than gild unironically

my friend draft 3 lumi mage

i never saw lumi a singl etime

how 2 rally 20

lol

instead i got offer lucrative deal 5 times

and the spell tutor guy like 4 times

[mystic tartan]

4-2 not bad

[silver tide]

though spell tutor guy not that bad actually if you have only decent spell

band of princess, 4 mana spot removal summon 2/2, 3 mana +1/+1 or summon 2 goons spell

all good

princess actually saved me that game because he opened with coin 3/3

[mystic tartan]

yeah jeno is the most op sword in take two

without evo

[silver tide]

medusa being able to kill 3 might be higher

but you dont get the 2 dudes

and the dudes are kinda good

[mystic tartan]

well im glad that i went 4-2 with doggo deck

[umbral seal]

Sure but she's legendary so you'll get less copies

Meanwhile, some sword fella finds multiple jenos

[silver tide]

gold and legendary are basically same pool no, i think theres one? more extra gold only discover

[blissful olive]

shes also not a huge threat to crash into being 3 power

[silver tide]

really the meta is to spam reroll your bronze silvers

one of my bearguy was from rerolling fucking lucrative dela

i have no fucking clue why rerolling lets you roll up rarity

its kinda retarded

[wild gale]

My deck

I have a bunch of 7 drops for late game

[umbral seal]

I would've tried to draft more fays, personally

Wildheart is also good on curve since it survives trading into 2/2s. However, Amataz is even worse in take two than constructed

[fading echo]

I never got neutral cards

[umbral seal]

Titania is good

[wild gale]

Something to comfort you with

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[fading echo]

Nice

[wild gale]

Bro had no idea

Hmm now that I play yurius he has no way to counter

[silver tide]

I think i will put a premium on the spells that destroy

Just cuz dragon and yurius exist

[umbral seal]

Yeah, yurius is "remove or lose". Same for intimidate followers

[wild gale]

2 wins so far

[umbral seal]

The one that spawns on last word effectively has storm, and that's a bronze 8 cost card

[wild gale]

1 against haven(bullying) 1 against sword

Kuncussion how's your take two so far

[umbral seal]

I'm about to go to sleep, I work nights

[wild gale]

So you're doing take two when you wake up?

Ok

You doing sword?

[umbral seal]

Maybe when I'm off on Wednesday.

Nope. Abyss.

I'm not interested in endless sword mirrors

[mystic tartan]

yeah its all sword

[wild gale]

Another sword gobbled

3-0

[wild gale]

3-1

Fucking hell man

Fucking lapis man

Almost won through deckout

Super lucky haven

[warped granite]

Lapis crazy value

[unkempt lava]

I feel bad for this guy

Double ramp

[warped granite]

Pretty good...

[unkempt lava]

Wow

Got the 1 albert

[wild gale]

After my take two I went on a 4 lose streak playing forest

Fucking hell man I just wanted one easy ranked win

[warped granite]

[mystic tartan]

pog

[fading echo]

I hate the rigged queue in this game so much

Play sword get 100000 ward haven cucks

Play portal that kills them easily and i don't fight a single one

[gritty anvil]

wait show your deck

i wonder what u drafted

[warped granite]

don't think I can revisit past drafts unfortunately, cygames

[gritty anvil]

lmao why didnt u screenshot it that was worth as 7-0 deck

[blissful olive]

anyone who thinks rune isnt just given wins is probably a rune main

[warped granite]

1 orchis 1 karula that much i remember, 2 Achems, and then 2 bronze guy who summons 1/5 taunt artifact

[blissful olive]

hard to pilot btw casual 21/21

[warped granite]

i got 3 6 mana summon lloyd/victoria too

a lot of 2 drops which is key i think as always

[wild gale]

Victoria is OP

[warped granite]

that card is really good on take 2

[blissful olive]

stop aggro with this 1 simple trick

[umbral seal]

I don't main rune but I've played both sides of several match-ups. It's not free wins. Like I've said countless times, craft it and play it yourself.

[blissful olive]

d sfhit into d shift into 2x kuon aint any kind of skill its just rng

[umbral seal]

You do not get those combos every game. Craft it and report back when you maintain diamond mmr for more than 20 games. You won't, and I'd bet money on it.

This is not me implying the deck isn't op, as I've clearly stated it is, more than once.

[blissful olive]

it makes no diff and i have played it when i needed to do spell dailies

[umbral seal]

But it's not easy to pilot optimally in ranked

[blissful olive]

its not hard

[umbral seal]

And you've been able to maintain what mmr with it? Also, if you have played it before, why not continue to do so?

The wins are free, in your mind

[blissful olive]

no when i used to run it for dailies i had to unranked

cause remember im playing without kuons

[umbral seal]

Craft the Kuons and take it to ranked

[blissful olive]

playing it optimally isnt hard either like you pretending it is lol

[umbral seal]

I also test experimental decks in unranked. It's not a great testing environment

[blissful olive]

clear board know when to heal last till turn 10 wow lol

its like its not complicated thats crazies

[umbral seal]

Again, if playing it optimally is as easy as you're suggesting, you should have no issue maintaining above a 55% win rate in diamond mmr

[blissful olive]

depends on the MU if aggro draws bullshit ur dead on turn 4/5

but if u can survive past turn 5 gg

[umbral seal]

So let's see it. Because I have the full deck and have played considerably more games with it.

Even if you're not against aggro, you can still lose to other factors. Like not having an answer one time to a sword board flood. Getting high rolled by a Fennie player.

Or, most notably, losing in the mirror

Where there are specific things you need to play for depending on if you're going first or second

[blissful olive]

yeah sword and aggro are not the easiest mu sure

but u gotta stop acting like there is some insane skill ceiling to playing rune lol

[umbral seal]

Roach can also kill you well before you have lethal

[blissful olive]

they can yeah i was considering running lower end shit like owen to deal with early aggression too

cause before turn 5 ur quite vulnerable at least if u go first

[umbral seal]

Most decks in general are not insanely hard to pilot. But Rune, even as op as it is, is close to Roach in difficulty and you're undervaluing the amount of decisions you have to make. Which is why I'm very comfortable betting real money on the success you'd have with it in ranked

[blissful olive]

it is no where near roaches level of thinking which isnt that hard either

[umbral seal]

No good Rune player runs Owen either

[blissful olive]

rune is like yo can i clear the board without wasting 2 much resources? ok cool time to stall more and onions

[gritty anvil]

@umbral seal why i crafted her

[blissful olive]

hey man sometimes good players can be wrong i seen ppl run owl too

lets go back 500 years to when people thought yuna was good

[umbral seal]

Owl isn't even good in pure ER and it's because it's a poor generator

I, and many others, explained why Yuna was run before this expansion

[blissful olive]

yes and it was shit

[umbral seal]

But as usual, you're a poor listener

[blissful olive]

just dont play the bat btw yeah anyways lmao

[umbral seal]

Shit happens

[blissful olive]

we got more ghost support and bat now but i aint see no yuna anywhere

[umbral seal]

Because there are better defensive options. Most notably, Charon, and the 2nd mode of Ginsetsu

It's not hard to see why she was cut

[blissful olive]

very true but doesnt take away from the fact that yuna was dog shit and will never see play again

[umbral seal]

Yuna was a perfectly fine option when she was the best defensive play Abyss had. You'll find no one agreeing with you here so feel free to settle with delusion.

Well, she most likely won't see play again

You're probably correct there

[blissful olive]

u know even back then i only saw her a handful of times i think its more ppl were experimenting rather than this card is amazing

and bell ringer is better than yuna so i mean

yeah lol

[blissful olive]

usually im happy to see odin but rn hes throwing the game

[lone agate]

was fucking time

[umbral seal]

Losing motivation to grind ranked after getting 11k grp

Y'all will have to carry the rest of the way. Or just abe, if he's still grinding.

[wild gale]

Ranked grinding 🤢

[umbral seal]

You haven't even played enough games to earn the right to feel jaded

Take Two was supposed to be the break from ranked but that shit will be dead in a week, simply because the entry fee without tickets is too high.

Even on the release of a new set, I'd rather spend all my raw gold on packs instead of wasting time to gamble it in Take Two.

[wild gale]

I have lost enough games to be jaded

[wild gale]

They really should cut it to 500

Goddamn it

I lost 3-2

Encountered a swordcraft with 3 zirconias

How tf do you deal with that

[primal isle]

with your own 3 zirconia

[warped granite]

Ahh vs a rune in take two with 2 Anne greas 2 kuons 2 Williams and 0 mana 8/6 that guys gonna go 7 0

[warped granite]

Even now the quality of players has increased; I think after all the noobs use their free tickets it'll be much harder to be positive

I still think portal is underestimated in take two, a class that generates free cards, losing in value fights? Can't be right

[wild gale]

It's more luck than skill with take two anyway

[primal isle]

ye and it's just gonna be packed with high rollers or cracked players Wasting half my gold to be mad for 7 matches

[unkempt lava]

When is next set

[wild gale]

7 matches? More like 2

[mystic tartan]

Man

Its all abyss

In ranked

If people still say abyss sucks then they must be dent in the head

Its literally the most consistent way to rank up

[blissful olive]

is it aggro abyss

[gritty anvil]

@umbral seal we are already s+

we have already like 10 masters

grapplr about to play take two

[mystic tartan]

Both control and aggro

[gritty anvil]

grapp having 5 wins so far with haven

https://www.twitch.tv/grapplr

[gritty anvil]

lmao he had kinda insane portal deck and still went 0-2

[warped granite]

Portal is still really good, so much free value

[blissful olive]

anything with free resources will always be good

[umbral seal]

I don't think anyone with a brain is saying abyss is bad. Just debating how good midrange and aggro are.

Personally, I'd rate aggro abyss higher since, for me, it has a higher win rate in diamond master

And most of my wins aren't against rune

Wasn't kidding about playing only aggro until cygames nerfs Rune

[mystic tartan]

some people here doubting on abyss

maybe they just mad cus bricked

[umbral seal]

Some people here make it sound like they brick every game while also never misplaying

Very believable.

[umbral seal]

Aggro Abyss is so good that it improved my diamond % from 24 to 30

It's unfortunate that I can't be bothered to play past my dailies.

[mystic tartan]

man Cerberus is cute

[cursive crypt]

bro portal is so broken

legit playing with ladder deck in 2pick

[warped granite]

Portal is the goat

The bronze/silver 5 drops are crazy value

[cursive crypt]

some guy got the orchis into orchis into liam treatment

[warped granite]

Not to mention the usual orchis shit

[cursive crypt]

yeah their puppet 2 drops are also op

[warped granite]

I managed to win 1 game because of the cat 2 drops btw, gave me a 4 1 puppet

[cursive crypt]

i cant lose with 3 noah

[warped granite]

Oh you didn't even get the puppeteers, but good enough

[cursive crypt]

oh i didnt get to pick the cat

yea no puppeteer

i got a puppet lancer and thats good enough

[warped granite]

Oh I didn't see it there too I guess it cut off

Yeah class with free cards being great at take two whodathunkit

[warped granite]

Damn my mate got a gildaria yurius sword and got instant 7 wins

[wild gale]

Would be stupid to lose with that GOAT combo

[warped granite]

Funny thing is he never played sword before

Like 0 games

[fading echo]

I definitely earned this victory

Oh the cards are all fucked up

There we go

[red plover]

love winning grindy matches

[warped granite]

I'm kinda sick of the meta, I'm only playing aggro decks

Do you mean like what you always do Skoomah? Yeah kind of

[umbral seal]

If I'm playing aggro, that's how you know the meta is cooked

Since it's usually the archetype I play the least (I can always afford control decks)

Rune is just too meta warping even if most players aren't S tier pilots

[warped granite]

Then there are always some guys who 'then just play roach it's your fault not playing hard counter'

I'm playing the roach counter, aggro

[umbral seal]

Roach isn't a hard counter to Rune. It's just a favorable match up.

I don't think aggro counters forest either. That was true in sv1 because fairies didn't have rush, forest didn't have may iirc, and wotf was nowhere good as Glade. Forest has weak healing, which is why it's a bit favorable for aggro.

[warped granite]

I think forest is the closest to a hard counter to rune

Yeah the aggro part is a little facetious

[cursive crypt]

Nah aggro abyss vs forest is like 70-30 matchup, u legit need to draw perfect to win lol

[warped granite]

But it is true that aggro vs forest is more favourable than let's say sword

[cursive crypt]

Lymaga cooks rune so hard

[warped granite]

[cursive crypt]

It doesn't matter if they draw 2 normans and build full board of ward golems

U just need one 0 cost to otk them

[warped granite]

I won vs forest as rune before but it was a ruby forest

[cursive crypt]

They can still win if you don't draw any answer and they keep building a board for 3 turns

[warped granite]

Yeah that guy needed to use all his 0 costs to kill t6 kuon he was cooked as hell

[umbral seal]

Need some matches for my weeklies if anyone is available

[brisk adder]

me meme

5 games fast

gogogogo

[umbral seal]

Coming off a 12 hour shift and I need to reset back to a day shift sleep schedule

[umbral seal]

I'd prefer real games, personally

[brisk adder]

i only have 2 real decks

just do the weeklies

[cursive crypt]

I'm down for real games, need to do weeklies as well

[umbral seal]

Nothing wrong with that. I just like to practice things that I feel would tank my mmr in ranked

[brisk adder]

305765225735

[brisk adder]

ok go real

but my rune deck is a vanilla deck

bo5

[umbral seal]

One sec, I ain't even turn my PC on yet

I'ma be in the guild lounge

Wait. @brisk adder Are you not in my guild? You got a guild already?

[brisk adder]

No

im awfully casual

[umbral seal]

I mean, this ain't a hardcore guild anyway

lol

[brisk adder]

can i join

[umbral seal]

Sure, I can make room. Think Noske flushed the game lol

[brisk adder]

just invite

[umbral seal]

Why did you attack that?

The artifacts spawned by catapult die automatically

[red plover]

until they dont

[brisk adder]

@umbral seal 3 more games

you happy now?

[umbral seal]

Only if you evo camelia

[umbral seal]

Wait, why'd you concede

[brisk adder]

its over

[umbral seal]

That invalidates one of the quests

I'm pretty sure

[brisk adder]

aint winning that

[umbral seal]

I mean, sure. But usually, in lobbies, I just let the opponent take lethal

Unless cygames changed how it works

[brisk adder]

those games gave me a headache of boredom

[umbral seal]

lol

[cursive crypt]

Just pass

[brisk adder]

how many rodeo you run?

[umbral seal]

1

[brisk adder]

1?

yeah yeah

[umbral seal]

I'll just play my aggro abyss if you want faster games

[red plover]

I know but it feels like you see more artifacts with the shield than ones that explode now

[warped granite]

They changed it now to 'early' concede but they didn't elaborate what is early

[umbral seal]

Hm.

Well, that game did go past turn 10

Bricked as aggro

[brisk adder]

1

that shit is lingering?

what the fuyck

[umbral seal]

Camelia's effect is permanent, yes

As long as you don't hard drop that artifact

[brisk adder]

GG

those games are not fun

[umbral seal]

lol

I think lobbies are more fun than ranked, personally

[brisk adder]

those are ladder decks

[umbral seal]

I do not play artifact portal in diamond master for a reason

And the reason is because I'd get cooked

[brisk adder]

cooked by what

abyss?

[umbral seal]

Everything that's S or S+

Artifacts is A at best

[brisk adder]

i eat abyss for breakfast with those 2 decks

and roach with wards

[umbral seal]

Aggro abyss, for me, is by far the highest performing deck for me in diamond master

[brisk adder]

roach cant win against ward

[umbral seal]

And roach can literally otk through wards unless they have barriers

[umbral seal]

They can, though. It's unfavorable, but not unwinnable

I've seen it happen many times. Only Amelia + Magus can somewhat save you from a roach otk but lymaga can put a wrench in that plan

Same with Norman spamming barrier golems

[brisk adder]

btw

[umbral seal]

Yurius saves you from a roach otk, assuming they have no answer for him

[brisk adder]

im gonna be real

my winrate vs portal is low af

i can win vs everything except portal

[umbral seal]

Portal is not in a good spot right now. I've said this so many times but lower ranked players choose to not believe me.

At this point, this is my personal tier list:

S+: Midrange Sword, Spellboost Rune
S: Aggro Abyss, Midrange Abyss, Roach Forest, Aggro Sword
A: Artifact Portal, Storm Haven, Ward Haven, Fennie Ramp, Aggro Forest
B: Puppet Portal, Face Dragon, Dirt Rune

Also, someone here was asking me how I know when the season ends.

That's how.

New expansion coincides with the guild contribution deadline.

[blissful olive]

yeah cause each set counts as a season currently

[true abyss]

Can anyone help me with weekly?

[blissful olive]

wish new set was sooner tho to go along with the team event

[true abyss]

How many wins did ya all go on your take 2s

I went 2-2

[warped granite]

I got my 7 wins already

[umbral seal]

I decided I'm just going to wait before using my ticket

I don't really need/want packs right now

[cursive crypt]

im cursed at 5 wins max

[true abyss]

What class

[warped granite]

Portal

[true abyss]

I was thinking between portal and haven

I picked haven

[warped granite]

If those are the choices, portal

Sword dragon portal abyss, I'd say

[true abyss]

I lost 1 to portal

And 1 to a ward haven

[cursive crypt]

yea those classes are the best for sure

dragon can cheese a lot of wins with intimidate mechanic alone

[umbral seal]

Evolved forte on curve. No answer? gg

[cursive crypt]

played vs someone that got 2 fortes and burnite

i played a bunch of wards didnt matter

[umbral seal]

Dragon right now is really not that far from being S tier. If the next expansion gives more ramp, I expect to see more dragon complaints.

Especially if there's a reprint of Sahaquiel & Israfil

[cursive crypt]

they already got their stabilizers

just need one more ramp card really

or more discard support

either archetype just needs a lil bit more push

[umbral seal]

Like, I played dragon at its peak so it's funny that people are asking for dragon buffs

Until it actually happens

https://shadowverse-portal.com/card/104424010?lang=en

It'd be very funny if this came back

10 pp: delete Haven from existence

[lone agate]

I want to play take two but cant

[warped granite]

Why is that?

[lone agate]

not gambling 1k

[umbral seal]

Also, in SV1, there was a calendar system that gave you 1 take two ticket every 15 days

[wild gale]

Take two is troll

[warped granite]

There's free ticket no

[lone agate]

just for release

[umbral seal]

Outside the 1 ticket they gave on release, the only way right now to get more tickets is to get lucky with park chests

And I'm saving for the expansion

[warped granite]

Oh I thought you haven't used it yet

[umbral seal]

Me? Yeah, I haven't.

[warped granite]

But yeah I'll tell you TT is full of freaks now

I meant Flavii cos he was saying he can't play TT

[lone agate]

but I wanted to play it more

[warped granite]

My last run was 3-2 and people were definitely better than my first run

[lone agate]

like as secondary mode to have fun

[warped granite]

I think only people who like and are better at TT are playing now

[lone agate]

not this trash

[warped granite]

At least who are confident they can refund

[umbral seal]

I think most players should not play TT without a free ticket. As it is right now, you basically have to be a whale who can just buy packs with crystals on release and reserve all your gold for TT, whether you go 0-2 or 7-0

[cursive crypt]

winning 7 should net you 2k gold

not 1500

[lone agate]

you get 1500 for winning 7?

[warped granite]

Well whatever I got my 7 wins and am quitting while I'm ahead

[cursive crypt]

ye

[warped granite]

[cursive crypt]

i dont mind having to win 5 for the 1k gold

but 7 only giving 1500 is ass

[warped granite]

They don't even have the option to play TT with friend

Shit is so ass

I think they used to have that option

[umbral seal]

They did

Whoever's in charge of the economy/monetization of SVWB is unbelievably greedy. To the point that I don't think this game will get to 10 sets without changes.

The first game went past 30.

[mystic tartan]

kek

[blissful olive]

economy is fine if u played since day 1 u on top of things

but for a new player

especially since u cant dust cards GL

[mystic tartan]

yep new player is fucked

[red plover]

the solution for new players is to play take 2 only

[fading echo]

Yeah i heard in the first game packs were 100 gold

How the fuck does your game get hit by inflation on your fake currency

[mystic tartan]

money

and its working

their main target is Japanese anyway

and u know the Japanese

whale anyway

[warped granite]

Man I misplayed and lost a 13 win streak so sad WEH

Remind me again aggro has to hit face

[fading echo]

Yeah i quit a game that i won because i thought the guy still had super evo but he didn't

That was on sword though

That being said there was a forest incident

So i switched up the deck back to standard forest

There's like 4 other games also on the losestreak but they didn't fit the screenshot

My pixie deck got fucked because everyone is running apollos now to counter sword so it's time to go back to regular roach forest

[warped granite]

I don't see much point in tempo forest tbh

[cursive crypt]

U can win if you draw roach early and put them to 8 hp on turn 6

A bit impossible tho with all the wards and healing

[warped granite]

I suppose, although a lot of classes do it easier kinda cope when an actual tier A deck exists

[cursive crypt]

Ye pretty much, it's just a worse version of aggro abyss imo

Cause half the cards in aggro abyss is direct face damage

Tempo forest only has roach and odins

[fading echo]

Yeah

I'm on the rigged queue that only throws haven and abyss at me today shit is hell

[warped granite]

I wouldn't use forest at lower groups they're haven invested

[fading echo]

Look at this

Totally not rigged

Nobody playing sword or rune surely

[true abyss]

someone help me with weekly quests

[cursive crypt]

login bro i need to do mine as well

[true abyss]

see you in guild

[cursive crypt]

we need only one right?

OMG

TITANIA COME HOME

[fading echo]

Congrats

[cursive crypt]

not cursed to use love sign anymore \

[fading echo]

Can't make this shit up i queue up another game

More haven

[cursive crypt]

i dont see haven all that much

u must be lucky

[true abyss]

@cinder bay

[fading echo]

I would be lucky if i was playing portal because i can just beta over the wards

Versus sword they win by outlasting all my burst

[cursive crypt]

just save your gildarias for aether

[fading echo]

But if i pick portal the haven players will disappear and the game with match me versus rune or sword or abyss

[cursive crypt]

and odin the wilbert

[gritty anvil]

yo wtf

[cursive crypt]

rune used to be an ok matchup for portal lol

[fading echo]

Look at this

Instant queue too

Haven gone

Not rigged

[cursive crypt]

just spam heal and pray

[gritty anvil]

u gonna play forest more now ?

[fading echo]

Lost again of course

[cursive crypt]

wdym, i main forest since the beginning

i just swapped to haven and abyss occasionally

[fading echo]

I just keep losing and losing

Every time my only option is the enemy not having something they always have it

I guess i don't know when to go aggro and when to play like a bitch saving cards

[umbral seal]

What are you playing, puppets?

[fading echo]

Not really a class issue it happens on every class

It's a skill issue i always get punished when i try to aggro and push damage

[umbral seal]

If this is happening on everything, this is definitely user error and not understanding your win condition.

Would actually have to see your games to provide more constructive feedback

[fading echo]

Are you gonna be around in like 5 hours? I can post some replays when i get home from work

[umbral seal]

I should be, yeah.

[fading echo]

I can show my decks though hold up

Those are the 3 i like to play the most

There's more ralmias, bayles and lymaga off screen

[umbral seal]

Can't comment on forest since I don't play it, refer to abe. Artifact portal, even if piloted perfectly, is A tier at best. Don't really like your sword list but what you have should be good enough.

[fading echo]

What would you change on the sword list?

[umbral seal]

Wouldn't run apollo if you're already running 2 seria's. 3 rose is too many even though she's a good card. Olivia, Jeno & Amalia should be bumped to 2 if you have the vials. Tentacles should also be bumped to 2. For me, that's a flex slot between that card & Yurius. Tentacles is better against things like Rune when you need to burst them down faster.

Hound is fine although some lists, like mine, don't run him. Not because he's bad but it's harder to justify fitting him amongst all the other powerhouse cards Sword has now.

[fading echo]

What do you run instead of hound?

90% of the time he's just board wipe fodder

[umbral seal]

My 3 drop slot only consists of 3 valse, 2 grimnir and 1 rose

[fading echo]

I put one apollo there for the sword mirrors to deal with mage and amalia

I guess grimnir is more value because of gildaria late true

How many mages do you run?

[umbral seal]

That's what Gildaria is for. You can also deal with Amalia with a counter Amalia. Apollo is a weak answer by that point. Apollo is good into Magus but again, Gildaria.

[umbral seal]

2, 3 is excessive.

[fading echo]

You play puppet too?

I did some changes on my sword and af portal decks

[umbral seal]

#1383658402005123112 message

Bottom tier.

I've messed around with it in ranked but that only confirmed my rating of it.

[fading echo]

So i changed for this

Don't have a second grimn and olivia

I have a third odin i could put there though but i think that would take away from the deck

But i could change a tentacle for a odin thoughts?

Also what's the win con there you just survive until they run out of steam or take enough chip damage to get in range of your storms?

[cursive crypt]

Standard deck tbh, I assume the 7 drop is Olivia?

I don't really like Olivia anymore ever since garden allure came out

The thing about playing forest is you can do a million different things every turn

[fading echo]

Lymaga

[cursive crypt]

You kinda need to plan 2-3 turns ahead with what you have in hand and what you're playing against

Oh lymaga is better yeah, so it is a standard deck

Pretty much same list as what I have except I don't have the one fairy tamer

I just go 3 allures

[fading echo]

I see

Do you just go for roach otk?

[cursive crypt]

Most of the time yeah unless they play aggro

Then you just play for board

[fading echo]

What do you mulligan for?

[cursive crypt]

Vs slow decks you want staff and glade, vs aggro or mirror you keep roach and throw away both glade and staff

You always keep fairy tamer/convocation

Just one of them though

Preferably tamer

Keep may vs aggro/sword

[fading echo]

[cursive crypt]

Wait mirror matchup you still want glade and staff, but you just keep roach as well

The only matchups you don't want card draw is when you are vs aggro

Just gotta pray you draw the perfect hand

[fading echo]

Thanks for the tips @cursive crypt @umbral seal major success after i changed some stuff and played a little more patient

[umbral seal]

The wincon is almost always Albert on 9 with superevo but sometimes you're forced to spend that last evo

[blissful olive]

bro was at 3 life btw

literally given

then the game becomes fake unwinnable

[fading echo]

It's so funny when they're 20 hp then the roach hits for 10 so they start panicking for the next turn

[fading echo]

turn 5 the guy is dead honestly i don't know how i did it

gonna watch the replay

i see so turn 5 he couldn't wipe my board because i had the coin and i went all in

[lone agate]

did take two with a friend, 7 win with sword just to get 1 leg

[umbral seal]

Reading the subreddit is driving me mad. Multiple bad players keep acting like aggro abyss is inconsistent in high mmr.

Is this self reporting?

[lone agate]

Idk aggro abyss keep working great even after hit master

But im not diamond

[gritty anvil]

i know but rn forest not so hot

finally learned spellboost properly

[umbral seal]

Forest has never been super popular, even when it was clearly the best & cheapest deck on release.

And that will continue to be the case.

[fading echo]

what's your spellbost deck?

[gritty anvil]

i have decklist from friend its pretty good one

but i quit the game i show tomorrow

[gritty anvil]

i really hope later there gonna be roachless forest decks

to play

[umbral seal]

Pretty easy to accomplish if they bring back neutral or evolve forest

[gritty anvil]

cause i kinda like forest i just dont like roache forest

im too pepeg to play it

i just feel stressed playing it

[fading echo]

i was doing some plays on forest but i watched a pro play 3 forest games

the logic he follows for combos just made so much more sense than what i was doing

i watched him do a 20 damage combo in a single turn too it was sick

[gritty anvil]

watching someone play it doesnt even matter because if u play forest there gonna be some board states thats really hard to figured out in short amount of time

and its annoying

also u need to know where to push dmg early aswell

which is another skill to that deck

sometimes u just play roach earlier on board for face dmg so u chip them down

asume they dont heal

[fading echo]

it's just nice to see a combo route you never thought about

i think someone made a roach combo cheat tamble too just showing all of them but i didn't save it

[gritty anvil]

u really need to have tons of games on forest to play it almost on autopilot

but i saw ppl doing misplays

even after years of playing roach

like its cool deck for sure just not for me

@fading echo btw wiliam is bait

dont run that card

flame is just better

flame is way less bricky

and because its spell spellboost on cast

[fading echo]

found the roach table

[fading echo]

yeah william is pretty bricky when you don't get him on a good timing

[gritty anvil]

i think from decks i played i can tell whats hardest to easiest to play

top 3 are forest rune artifact portal

after its propably haven abyss sword dragon ?

but ye there is massive gap between forest and rune like rune is still way easier to play

[fading echo]

i have these, the ones that are playable are not missing any core legendaries

[gritty anvil]

i can play literally any deck in meta

because i liquify all premium cards

f2p

which is kinda insane this game is out like what month and half ?

and i already can play everything

[fading echo]

if i had to rank them by difficulty from hardest to easiest it would probably be forest>afportal>rampdragon>storm haven>puppet portal>aggroabyss>rune>sword

[gritty anvil]

lol

ramp dragon is joke

its not hard

at all

i would say sword and dragon are both easiest to play

[fading echo]

ramp you can brick too much for comfort

[gritty anvil]

yes

but its not about skill

lol

thats just u drawing bad

[fading echo]

it didn't rank by skill but how hard it feels to pilot in general

[gritty anvil]

well tahts basically skill lol

[wild gale]

Forest is kinda easy to play tbh

[gritty anvil]

piloting them

[gritty anvil]

lol

[fading echo]

storm even seems kinda high because it feels good to pilot when it works but the others are just smoother

[gritty anvil]

if u think forest is easy u must think rest of decks are for toddlers lol

[fading echo]

i never played decks like forest here where you combo the cards and sometimes you gotta bounce them for the combos and stuff

[gritty anvil]

easy to play but very hard to master ?

u mean

[fading echo]

af feels easier because the combo heavy deck i used to play on yugioh speed was more about building characters like af does with the artifacts

[gritty anvil]

well i dont know some ppl are used to combo decks im not

there is reason why forest was one of my least played classes in sv 1 most of my games werent even roach games

[fading echo]

i also didn't play sv1

so i don't have muscle memory

[gritty anvil]

roach cost 2 mana there

now they have way more insane stuff than roach roach isnt even good anymore in that game lol

becasue there are much more busted stuff

there is like 1 mana follower that can be like 20/20 or something

storm

[umbral seal]

I used to play roach but I don't enjoy the playstyle

[wild gale]

I played roach in haven when it was 1 cost

Good fun bouncing

[umbral seal]

The most fun I had with Forest was playing neutral, dropping BnB and hitting opponents for 18 on turn 7

[fading echo]

i think i like forest and portal the most but when i play on the phone i usually go sword because it requires no interaction with the cards on hand

so it's less annoying

didn't play that much yet though

[umbral seal]

Playing portal on a phone must be challenging

[fading echo]

it's just annoying

at least for artifacts

puppets must be easy like sword

[umbral seal]

There's less decision making with puppets

But, conserving resources is more important with puppets because they're not infinite and you need to save enhanced ones for Orchis, if possible

[fading echo]

the guy actually threw he had lethal then he evolved the wrong card wasted damage on a ward i had with the card he evolved and then left me with 1 hp and lost

[fading echo]

yeah but that's easy to do the annoying thing on mobile is doing fusions

but that's because the cards go all over the place

[warped granite]

That's the fun part of puppets, smacking the enemy with an extra 4 damage puppet

[cursive crypt]

take two isnt just sword anymore the world is healing

got my first 7 wins

[umbral seal]

Well, people learned that Sword isn't auto win in that format

Still king of consistency imo

[warped granite]

The world is healing because you won

Gratz mon ami

[cursive crypt]

on the first day it was so boring when u play vs sword 70% of the time

but yea sword and portal are still the most consistent classes in take 2 for sure

[brisk adder]

yeah we yap alot here

not a suprise

[brisk adder]

I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL I HATE PORTAL

[umbral seal]

You're over a month late to complaining about portal on ladder. They actually need help in the next set.

[brisk adder]

fuck portal

the only counter is ultra aggro

[umbral seal]

...but that's literally not true. Every version of abyss is favored against artifacts and puppets. So is Sword and SB Rune.

It's not good against Roach either.

The reason most artifact players spam beta is because the Gundam gameplan is too slow and if you drop Gundam without it being lethal, you almost always lose.

Spamming beta is only viable in certain match ups because there's other match ups, like sword, where you often need double gamma just to keep up with their board flood

[brisk adder]

how to earn guild points?

the individual?

[umbral seal]

Just play ranked. I'm not sure if take two contributes to it now.

[brisk adder]

just play i guess

[umbral seal]

Also, keep in mind that guild pt gain is vastly accelerated once you hit Master

[cursive crypt]

Yea you earn like 15x the points as normal if you're master

[red plover]

surely Ill hit master till the end of the season

[umbral seal]

It took me about 400 ranked wins to hit master, which was about a week after release.

You could do it faster if you're able to maintain diamond mmr for most of your climb but that's easier said than done

[red plover]

Im always skirting around diamond so it might be possible

[wild gale]

@umbral seal any advice for abyss mulligans

Just get aragavy and low cost cards?

[fading echo]

https://youtu.be/E17z7nE6UfY this guy made some funny e7 videos now he did shadowverse

[umbral seal]

Always keep at least 1 Aragavy.

I never mull it away, especially against sword.

[fading echo]

Man

It's fucking impossible to beat runecraft unbricked

Infinite healing infinite board wipes infinite draws and they get wards with barriers for fun

Just heal 12 hp

Literally the most insane value cards in the game and they give them more healing really shows which class the director likes to play

[wild gale]

It's more that your forest got bricked

If you don't brick forest it's pretty hard to lose

[fading echo]

How can i not brick if i need a perfect hand while they sit there jerking off drawing cards and wiping boards for 5 turns

And after turn 5 they just spam all the legendaries in the deck until they win

Skill based class just play whatever is glowing and win

[umbral seal]

Healing is irrelevant as roach. You have multiple routes to an otk

Generally 2 turns before Rune has potential lethal

That's a favorable match-up for Roach if you pilot the deck correctly

Abe would tell you the same thing

[umbral seal]

You write this with the assumption that he did not make a single misplay with a deck that many consider to be the hardest to pilot.

I'd love to see the replay, personally.

[gritty anvil]

if u hate portal just play rune

[fading echo]

Yeah maybe i did but i feel like i played the best i could with what i had but it didn't matter

I didn't go for otk 20 to 0 though the setup wasn't there so i tried to chip first

[umbral seal]

As someone who doesn't play Forest, what I immediately noticed is how few resources you have in hand. I also think that unless it's a 2 turn set up, trying to chip Rune is a losing strategy. Hell, even going for a 2 turn lethal will often get a panic dclimb from Rune

[fading echo]

Ok i watched the replay

There was a missplay

Here i could kill if i super evo the pink shit first then hit kuon then drop 1 cost then drop roach then bounce roach

[umbral seal]

Just one of many reasons I don't play Roach. Misplay potential too high.

But the deck strength is worth it

[warped granite]

need to have a shortcut for lethal calculation because the timer is so short

like 8 mana = 10 damage, with carbuncle = 12, every 0 mana card and additional mana +2 damage... something like that

but actual forest players might have better tips

[umbral seal]

I don't know what method forest players use but I don't think I've ever seen one miss lethal against me. Forest players should start calculating as soon as turn 6 because turn 7 is the earliest they can get a roach kill.

[wild gale]

Forest is really do or die

You try to push damage so you can lethal early or to put pressure on classes to heal

Use lily/bayle to stave off high value cards while you draw cairn and start to build up your 0 costs

Ideally you have carbuncle for your finishing combo because 5/5 is a super strong clear

Turn 8 carbuncle with god staff on field is the ultimate killer finisher forest players think about

Because you get to drop 3 roach blasts with 1 roach

[cursive crypt]

you've never seen the forbidden 3 small roaches turn

[warped granite]

that's the forest genius lethal we're looking for

[umbral seal]

I mean, to be fair, he has 10 atk on board already

I would've probably conceded if I saw I had no way to clear lymaga

[fading echo]

Feels so good to kill rune

Die mf

[cursive crypt]

most of the time im calculating board space instead of damage

[fading echo]

Wut what did they last bit of damage there?

There were no chains on ralmia

Ooh thought lymaga debuff was only during the chain debuff but it's actually forever

[cursive crypt]

the chains go away after they ended their turn

ye the damage stays on forever technically

until the unit dies

[umbral seal]

Honestly, I'm not sure why I hate Roach when Grim Patron warrior was an even harder deck in HS

And I played that deck a lot

[cursive crypt]

they're kinda different playstyle though

i was a mage/rogue player in HS

with occasional hunter cause hunter always had a cheap aggro deck

[umbral seal]

Original Grim Patron (before charge got nerfed) was basically an otk deck.

I enjoyed miracle rogue way more, though

[cursive crypt]

otk and combo are not the same though, rune is also basically an otk deck

[umbral seal]

So, not all combo decks have an otk, but otk decks are almost always combo decks

Can't think of an otk deck that wouldn't be considered a combo deck

[cursive crypt]

yea miracle rogue would be a lot more similar to roach

but some combos you just play cards in the same order each time like rune "combo"

play kuon/cocyutus and dimension

u can consider that a combo i guess

[umbral seal]

I guess one example would be fennie dragon, actually. Double genesis after 1 fennie, with normal evo, is 20 but I would always call that a control deck.

Rune is absolutely a combo deck even though this current iteration of spellboost rune is more tempo oriented than classic dshift

Because the dumbass devs gave Rune too many good followerboost cards

[cursive crypt]

current ramp dragon isnt really a combo deck cause you dont play a game and expecting that to be your win con 90% of the time

rune is kinda the same way because they have a lot of tempo cards yeah

so i dont really consider it a combo deck

even tho it technically has a combo

[umbral seal]

Correct, this I agree with. Your rune assessment I do not agree with. Rune has multiple routes to an OTK and they can do it consistently.

Dragon can't do that.

It's called casino dragon for a reason

[fading echo]

Rune feels more like a control deck before this season they could still lose if they didn't get dimension climb early but now there's a 5pp that gives infinite spellboosts every turn so they just need to control the board and draw cards until eventually they play cocytus and win.

[umbral seal]

Onion crest should not be permanent

Should be 3 turns max.

[cursive crypt]

rune just does everything rn, some games i see them do nothing for 7 straight turns and some games i see a full board every turn

[fading echo]

Where are the nerfs

We need some rune and odin nerfs asap

[umbral seal]

Odin just needs to not have storm, easy fix. I don't care that this would hurt aggro decks, it's bad for the game.

Rune also needs nerfs but that needs to be compounded with Sword nerfs

Both are S+ for different reasons

[fading echo]

Yeah the banning any card is already op he doesn't need storm

Face rush decks already have class specific storm

[umbral seal]

Well, 7 cost banish is not OP. This would be 1 pp cheaper than SV1 Odin but SV1 Odin was never OP.

[cursive crypt]

Odin and Norman are the only cards I would nerf the rest I don't care too much

Sword has gildaria but she's not that bad

[fading echo]

Norman should cost 3 or 4 dirt for the the effects

That way spell boost can't squeeze him into the deck

[umbral seal]

This is way too much and would hurt pure Dirt too much. Bumping the cost to 2 would already do a lot to mitigate the healing in SB Rune.

Sagelight's heal should also have an earth rite cost attached to it, but only (1)

Again, the goal here isn't to kill the cards outright

It's to stop SB from running dirt cards

[fading echo]

Yeah sagelight should cost dirt too

All the dirt cards need cost to force boostcucks to stop using them because now you throw in 3 card draws and 3/5 2pp girls and you get more than enough dirt to play those cards on spellboost

[cursive crypt]

Yea 2 dirt per effect would kill Norman honestly just remove the heal as a choice

[umbral seal]

Similarly, I think certain ER generators need a buff if the devs nerf sagelight and Norman. Specifically, the Owl since SB never runs that but they sometimes run Penelope

[fading echo]

Would kill him from spellboost but pure dirt generates 10+ dirt easy

[cursive crypt]

They don't bro

[umbral seal]

It wouldn't, though. It would kill it in SB because they'd have to run more ER to get his evolve effect and if they do that, it stifles their spellboost gameplan more

[cursive crypt]

They spend the dirt as much as they generate them

[fading echo]

2pp 3× thats already 6
+3x 1pp 9

• another 3 2pp = 12 just from low cost early game spam

It's only hard for boost to do both but pure dirt even has other sources so it's not a big hit

But they need to push some of this stuff out of boost rn there's no reason to play pure dirt because boost can use all the good dirt cards anyway

[cursive crypt]

Getting 4 dirt stacks on turn 5/6 is hard if you wanna play edelweiss before Norman

That's just not a good nerf imo

[umbral seal]

I don't even use edel in my pure dirt list, I use perfumer.

Better generator for lilanthim.

[cursive crypt]

yea you probably wanna have cards that don't use that many dirt stacks I guess

The only ones u put in are probably Juno and Norman

Edel is such a good card tho

[fading echo]

All the classes that use special counters like spell boost and none of them get a free counter every turn except rune so rune can just use the 5pp infinite boost to make up for using dirt cards before turn 5 just the perfect hybrid deck