I only get abyss matches when i play portal
#Shadowverse
fading echo
fading echo
I'm stuck on the loop of play portal drop to topaz play sword/forest climb to sapphire 
So funny i put two apollos on my sword deck now every time i use him on sword mirrors the other guy just quits
cursive crypt
I'm stuck on the loop of play portal drop to topaz play sword/forest climb to sa...
portal aint that bad bro
fading echo
It really is
Compared to forest
Gotta pray for the stars to align in your draft to win with portal while the other decks you just play whatever
wild gale
warped granite
right choice
mystic tartan
lul
gritty anvil
wild gale
<:Weirdge:824829392462807050>
If you wanna find someone to blame cygames is right there
fading echo
God is mocking me
Legends for the class i hate and the class i wanna play but can't because it sucks
gritty anvil
time to start saving for take two
gritty anvil
If you wanna find someone to blame cygames is right there
nah there is no excuse u intentionally pick screen in menu her sleeves
cursive crypt
every time i see rune heal for 16 i just wished i was playing forest lol
wild gale
every time i see rune heal for 16 i just wished i was playing forest lol
Then ward haven appears
blissful olive
rune and sword most popular for sure
lac on SV today
mans gonna run back that rose queen control baby
@umbral seal u need to talk sense into that boy
blissful olive
I told him just to stop thinking and play Forest aggro but he thinks the only deck is combo Roche and nothing else can exist
And then proceeds to run Rose Queen anyways
Draft starts on the 4th though so that'll be neat at least
blissful olive
Lets go grea!
fading echo
And they gave rune a dumb ass crest that summons 3/3 wards for free
I wonder which class the dev plays
blissful olive
Buff abyss
warped granite
I told him just to stop thinking and play Forest aggro but he thinks the only de...
can you tell him there are other classes in the game too
blissful olive
He only wants to play little fairy girls man
warped granite
roach is in a good spot atm though if he wants to play it
blissful olive
I think you'd be better off with just playing forest Agro
warped granite
anything but rose queen
blissful olive
Him counting doesn't lead to good things
He's convinced that like I don't know man I think
I think the only reason he actually has Rose Queen in his deck is because she has huge boobs
warped granite
i think it's because everyone told him it's shit and he has to be contrarian
blissful olive
Possible
cursive crypt
He just can't play roach because he doesn't know how the combo works
blissful olive
That's why I told him to just play Agro
cursive crypt
Also too slow to calculate damage
warped granite
honestly he just needs to familiarize the card game thinking first roach is all just too much for first deck
tempo forest does fit the bill methinks
cursive crypt
Are you playing the tempo or combo deck 
Tempo deck does lose to rune
Because of 16 heal
blissful olive
I played myself I just don't feel like crafting Titania's
Still debating on rune I need like 15K vials
warped granite
or just guide him to play rune any person above room temp (celsius) IQ can play rune
and feel smart while doing so
cursive crypt
Tempo forest is kinda like storm haven, you just run out of damage because they heal for 12
blissful olive
That's any deck
If you're playing a girl in the game is still going by turn 7 you're already lost
Thanks TTS
cursive crypt
Nah not really, those 2 decks don't have as much damage as aggro abyss while not having great late game
cursive crypt
Wdym, aria is your win con and she costs 6
Your deck just doesn't clear boards that well
That's the problem
blissful olive
You don't got to clear the board you make them clear the board
Because your fairies are out of control and no one can stop them
cursive crypt
Sword can generate board while clearing at the same time
blissful olive
Sword is gay
cursive crypt
Nah u still need to clear board lol
blissful olive
No you don't you're crazy stop being crazy
cursive crypt
Especially when they have ward units
blissful olive
Fairy power
No one plays Haven anymore man it's cooked
The fairies are coming back
fiery pulsar
there are wards outside haven
cursive crypt
I think ward is pretty decent actually
fiery pulsar
blissful olive
No that's crazy there's only two cards of ward in the game Wilbur and that lady with boobies in Abyss
And what are words to Glade the most powerful card in the game forever
blissful olive
No the two drop
cursive crypt
Ward haven is roughly in the same tier as artifact
umbral seal
<@267522380904136716> u need to talk sense into that boy
I have zero control over what another grown man does. 
cursive crypt
No, artifact is not that great
Both wars haven and all portal decks suffer from the same problem
cursive crypt
You literally need to draw specific cards and play them on specific turns to win
Just inconsistent as fuck
blissful olive
Wardhaven draw Wilbert or lose artifact do literally anything and you have a good chance of winning
blissful olive
Hybrid is still better for sure I'd say
Or hell you can just run orcas for the sake of it you don't actually have to play puppets in it
cursive crypt
That's just not true though, they really need alouette, Miriam and artifact recharge
Karula is kinda a win more card
And orchis yeah
So that's a lot of cards you really need to draw, if you miss them your game plan will progress a lot slower
Tier 1 decks rn imo are only midrange sword, spellboost and maybe midrange abyss
fading echo
Are you playing the tempo or combo deck <:PepoThink:416026458096533506>
I have no idea what any of those two words mean for card games
I'm just playing sord
fading echo
Classic 12 lose streak 
cursive crypt
I have no idea what any of those two words mean for card games
Combo is the forest deck that just otk's, the other one is more board based
fading echo
I guess my forest deck can do both either with by buffing pixies or bouncing roach
Game sent me 4 ward havens back to back
Purgatory
true abyss
play 15 spells daily is kinda bs without rune 
fading echo
Teaching ward haven that the yugi from yugioh (tm) deck will always find lethal somehow
gritty anvil
can i do 2 chests in 20 min ?
gritty anvil
oh actually finished it
blissful olive
saved up 32 packs so far for next set
and almost 30k vials should be good to go almost
fading echo
Tried the stealth haven deck and it's pretty funny when it works
wild gale
How did baldy do
umbral seal
Anyone up for a game?
umbral seal
How did baldy do
Wait, did he play viewers today?
gritty anvil
baldy still streaming ?
umbral seal
Nope.
warped granite
just won runecraft mirror as ER, just need to norman twice then odin EZ
norman what a man you are
true abyss
win streak into promo diamond, struggles to stay in diamond, demotes, win streak again, repeat
mystic tartan
just won runecraft mirror as ER, just need to norman twice then odin EZ
share dirt rune deck
silver tide
is GRP every season or every month
umbral seal
is GRP every season or every month
Season.
silver tide
thanks
mystic tartan
fading echo
is this too scuffed to make a ward haven deck? 
cursive crypt
yes
umbral seal
Not having 3x copies of the two most important cards for a deck that's barely A tier due to inconsistency is asking to lose.
cursive crypt
3 Wilbert is a must cause if you don't draw Wilbert you just lose
Hes the most important card in that deck
fading echo
well rip my haven deck then
cursive crypt
You can make storm haven tho
fading echo
i think i have it but i'm not really sure what this haven deck i have is
cursive crypt
i think i have it but i'm not really sure what this haven deck i have is <:KEKW:...
this is the standard list rn, you can mmodify it a bit
rodeo isnt needed, some people play 3 featherfalls and a griffon as well
dose is a must cause it answers early aggression
lone agate
How did baldy do
he did not play shadowverse
but at least he finally played 1 new game
fading echo
i made one hybrid portal deck and it's just so cringe
because it looks like you're going for something so they start trying to counter it but you're not going for anything
fading echo
i play one it's a good counter to amalia
warped granite
Is it just me or is there a portal resurgence
I guess it's because sword is infesting the ladder
true abyss
i wish i could decline promotions ngl
promoted: aka, congratulations! now farming chests is harder
the stat line on this is no joke, sword lost cus it couldn't evo clear this, i appreciate this card more now
warped granite
the stat line on this is no joke, sword lost cus it couldn't evo clear this, i a...
This is why face drag is kinda ok Vs sword I think, compared to aggrobyss
They never see this card's sevo coming
And yeah 6/7 or 7/8 is a 
statline
true abyss
This is why face drag is kinda ok Vs sword I think, compared to aggrobyss
i tanked turn 5 aragavy with it too, you need a sword or another body on board and aragavy is forced to trade into it
fading echo
All paths lead to extinction 
wild gale
promoted: aka, congratulations! now farming chests is harder
I don't even bother farming chests anymore
No one got time for all dat
true abyss
I don't even bother farming chests anymore
i farm till the premium chest
warped granite
Idm, I'm saving for next patch
Hopefully I'm luckier with the leaders 
Still 0 leader pulls btw
umbral seal
The rate is less than .1% - most people will never see a leader pull without opening the lucky chest
true abyss
just buy battle pass at that point
nocturne karmaBOT
@true abyss has leveled up! (64 ➜ 65)
wild gale
Just get lucky
But kuncussion is right
I kinda had enough of feet girl
Titania next
fading echo
At least the banners stay there
You could just save gold and pity the leader you want
If you play 1 deck only you will probably get enough vials to keep up by burning dupes
Like I'm playing a bunch of decks right now and that's really stupid
I'll probably just stick with sword forest and portal since forest is super cheap anyway
fading echo
I don't mind the kung fu guy the lines are kinda funny so if i get the ticket I'm picking the wallpaper
fading echo
The titania wallpaper is almost peak i don't like the side fairies and the fact that she's wearing too much clothing 
molten root
red plover
I wish you could see hands in replays, someone just conceded against me in turn 4 and I play storm haven 
fading echo
Probably bricked
red plover
must be pretty unlucky to brick as abyss
fading echo
It's possible if you have more than 3 high cost cards
Look at this brick
I only won because the guy was playing ramp dragon but if that was face dragon the match was over 
red plover
bricking but still winning 
red plover
I keep getting him instead of the other legendaries I dont have
think I even dusted like 2 of him already as well
primal isle
this is the standard list rn, you can mmodify it a bit
damn enjoying this variant. Agnes winning games
gritty anvil
lol
im honestly kinda lucky not getting same legos
i got some 4th copies but not many
oh wait
chest event ended ?
NOO
red plover
no reason to grind anymore 
primal isle
brudda made too many onions 
couldn't play anything and had to wait for my birds to feed
primal isle
tfw my next game rune perfect draws and gets all 3 starlight heals + norman
gritty anvil
i reached the point i have deck for every craft now as f2p very pog
wild gale
can i make a rune deck? <:HmmTea:856610758729531433>
Wait for vials
umbral seal
can i make a rune deck? <:HmmTea:856610758729531433>
Need the 3rd dclimb & kuon. 2 Norman's is serviceable
Some sb lists run 1 copy of lilanthim for the mirror
warped granite
Man I love reading reddit, rune downplayers vs sword downplayers in every thread
While the reality is both are bullshit
fading echo
rune players explaining why it's okay for 1pp spell to scale the entire match and eventually deal 10-20 damage
blissful olive
not bad
warped granite
Sheeeesh
true abyss
you will still get the cards from the previous sets anyway
Chance to get new set cards
chilly viper
bruh wtf that mf didn't clear your 3/3
gritty anvil
you will still get the cards from the previous sets anyway
well yes but if u save keys u can get new stuff
primal isle
ye I'm pretty much saving for next set now
true abyss
Shitty hand on opponent, and bad plays
wild gale
Opponent was trolling with that aragavy evolve
warped granite
Lulw
warped granite
That deck is dog, which is why I'm so tilted if I lost to it
mystic tartan
mystic tartan
But yeah that game was over <:kek:1092598898490613760>
bro i will mald very hard if i lose to fennie trueee
it was really close tho
coc dclimb save my ass
warped granite
This is such a lucky Chinese number I'm keeping this for today
mystic tartan
lemao
warped granite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGX5utrXVy8 man translate the comment section the rune hate is so funny
(i think the deck is a scam btw)
cursive crypt
that deck runs too many bad cards
just gonna lose to everything that builds a board
fading echo
Understandable hate on rune just having every archetype in the game on a single deck
cursive crypt
Both heal cards in rune also have the option to do other things
So they don't get punished for running 6 heal cards
Imagine if their heal cards only heal
warped granite
when they call it "spellboost" but it's all boosted by followers
cursive crypt
Just dead in their hands
Same problem with Sylvia really
Running heal cards but with no downside of it just clogging your hand
At this point I don't really care that much about their turn 10 coc dclimb turn
Or kuon turn
warped granite
maybe hot take though I hate sword more than rune atm
their curve is way too good
and gildaria can win value wars vs anyone
cursive crypt
Idk about that, I hate rune cause when u play certain classes/archetypes u can't beat it
Vs sword at least it's playable
warped granite
Idk about that, I hate rune cause when u play certain classes/archetypes u can't...
this is more about haven than rune i feel like
ward haven is a shit archetype because it's either you win or you lose depending on who you face
with almost 0 agencies
cursive crypt
It's not just ward haven lol
warped granite
at least sword games are done quickly <:LULE:966517942638481408>
cold comfort but true
cursive crypt
Face dragon, storm haven, any control deck
They play Norman and ur just sitting there
warped granite
any control deck is true rune really is blocking the archetype
cursive crypt
U just don't have enough damage or can't get through their ward units
One or the other
Just boring af
warped granite
it really is insane how they give rune most healing in the game
and crazy amount of wards
who the fuck in the dev team that has daria fetish
red plover
if only you could actually odin their earth rite
cursive crypt
Only decks that best rune are decks that have a gazillion face damage while building full board every turn like sword
Or otk roach
warped granite
earth rite is suffering as it is, their archetype is stolen by spellboost
mystic tartan
the deck i hate the most rn
is abyss control
ngl
especially when both no evo or super evo
HOLY
fiery pulsar
Control is fun
cursive crypt
and crazy amount of wards
Yea the ward units really are the cherry on top lol
Coin Norman and summon 2 golems is actually hard as fuck to clear for almost every class
Except sword with gildaria
warped granite
sword mirrors = who draws more gildaria 
rune and sword, if they receive any more broken tool in the next patch i might be over this
especially rune
umbral seal
They're not going to nerf either craft until people start leaving
That's not just me being pessimistic either, look at their track record in sv1.
Expecting then to be ahead of the curve to prevent an exodus is just very unlikely
warped granite
fwiw i don't think they're at a nerf worthy level yet, just don't need more push
warped granite
yeah i think we can disagree on the particulars, i really really just hope they don't make another norman
but somehow i'm super pessimistic
their dev team has a rune boner 4sure
umbral seal
Combo decks should not have this much healing. Especially versatile healing
cursive crypt
The heal cards do more than just heal is my main problem
warped granite
if norman is just the golem guy it would be sick
but somehow you can choose from 3.... 3!!!! effects
that is insane
are there any other classes that can choose from 3 effects?
mystic tartan
lol i member i dclimb
then got no coc
just norman and draw 3 card
then wait next turn
cursive crypt
are there any other classes that can choose from 3 effects?
Max is 2 unless I forgot some cards
true abyss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGX5utrXVy8 man translate the comment section th...
Plays sword, okay buddy
gritty anvil
damn crumpy have 11 games winstreak in diamond with mid abyss
warped granite
Plays sword, okay buddy
that's always sword players' modus operandi, downplay
fading echo
How does rune even lose to sword
cursive crypt
damn crumpy have 11 games winstreak in diamond with mid abyss
is that surprising 
fading echo
Just william and wipe everything
warped granite
How does rune even lose to sword
sometimes they got outpressured
cursive crypt
abyss is the closest to S tier
warped granite
william means they have no taunt or heal and die to albert or odin
but yeah... just sometimes
cursive crypt
they can lose to sword when they dont have anything on turn 1-4
gritty anvil
is that surprising <:LULW:575144775599259709>
i mean not really but ye hes really good abyss player aswell
cursive crypt
and sword has that 4 cost card to buff the board and summon extra units
warped granite
They have 3 cost William now too
you can't play this early too because it starts at 0
so it's not impossible sword just beats rune too much on board
fading echo
You really only need 2 damage to wipe most sword boards though
warped granite
the 3 mana works like aragavy not william
so you'll need like 7, 8? before it's good
not saying it's not good, but it's possible they can't develop the spellboost because sword just pushed too much damage
cursive crypt
i wanna make a meme deck with abyss that otk's with medusa
but it requires too much setup 
gritty anvil
i want to try abyss deck
with only 2 drop
beryl
and keep reanimating it
with that 2 drop sell
and charon
also 2 drop spell always gonna reanimate also coco or mimi
if not beryl
cursive crypt
just play dark side lol
gritty anvil
yes
and serpents
u pretty much put any 2 drop spells
that fills 2 drop
soiree
it can honestly work
this deck
would be kinda funny and nobody else plays this
also reanimating beryl and evo her
is really strong heal
cursive crypt
idk beryl is just not good enough after turn 2 lol
gritty anvil
well thats true
cursive crypt
they always clear anyway
gritty anvil
late game without evos
she is dogshit
but thats why u hard mull for her
so u get her out early
cursive crypt
i mean on turn 5 3/3 just does nothing most of the time lol
at least u can evolve phikldau and orthus
cursive crypt
i kinda wanna reanimate vuella with caron super evo
gritty anvil
eh
gritty anvil
and then give storm to medusa with laura
yes but u need for that play 2 super evos lol
for acharon and for laura
and its only 9 face dmg
is that really worth it ?
cursive crypt
no its 21 damage
cursive crypt
cause charon will revive vuella
cursive crypt
yes
gritty anvil
and reanimate laura
cursive crypt
no she reanimates vuella
gritty anvil
thats 10 mana
lmao
ok keep dreaming
u not gonna have super evo on 10
in 99% cases
it also need to be perfectly lined up
cursive crypt
u can supe r evo charon on turn 8 and it'll be fine the problem is you cant super evo cerby
gritty anvil
also u cant never play laura early
or this combo fails
right
i guess u can
u ress laura
and play vuella
on 10
instead
cursive crypt
thats why its a meme but this combo would be so funny to pull off at elast
gritty anvil
u need to play in deck like this
everythin
that saves evos
3 reapers
3 hnikars
cursive crypt
ye like mukans and minos
gritty anvil
yes
i mean even 9 face dmg medusa is ok
its not best but atleast its something
and its possible pull this off on turn 7
wait
when super evo unlocks ?
is it 7 ?
cursive crypt
turn 6 when ur 2nd
gritty anvil
ok
cursive crypt
7 when going 1st
gritty anvil
i dont think i ever saw laura being played
gritty anvil
@cursive crypt its only 16 dmg
not 21
because vuella only buff + 2
and laura trade is +1
cerberus with 1 ghost does same dmg pretty much on 9
and crypt on board
what u think about this
cursive crypt
<@475790499488202762> its only 16 dmg
True I forgot u have to super evo Laura lol
cursive crypt
what u think about this <:LULE:966517942638481408>
3 undead soldiers is trash imo
Dead card if you have 2 in hand
I don't like vuella either 
just go all in for the bones for reina
gritty anvil
3 undead soldiers is trash imo
its important in this deck
oh he actually killed me
no way
exactly lethal
without evos
from 20 hp
it was way later not that turn on screenshot
this is so stupid i run 3 reapers and i didnt draw single one in 3 games in row
cursive crypt
its important in this deck
Idk seems too greedy since he's not playable unless you're already ahead
gritty anvil
but ye i think im gonna cut one undeath soldier
warped granite
https://www.twitch.tv/gaara man this guy still plays, he brought me back to simpler HS times
true abyss
that's always sword players' modus operandi, downplay
he tried to attack my forte
warped granite
he lacks critical information
true abyss
this card it op
gritty anvil
https://www.twitch.tv/gaara man this guy still plays, he brought me back to simp...
yes lol
i notice him today he started playing shadowverse
gritty anvil
this card it op
yep
blissful olive
shes really good yeah
umbral seal
Hard to complain about Rune when the distribution on ladder is at least 3:1 in favor of Sword
There's way more and it's not close.
What's funnier is just dropping down to sapphire nets you more diversity.
fading echo
caught live footage of abyss player having a neuron activation
he tried to hit the artifact protected with medusa and couldn't kill it 
fading echo
rushed face all game now look at him
controlled
why do portal players keep spamming betas
umbral seal
Because a lot of players don't understand that beta spam is only for certain match ups
These are usually the same people who think artifact is op/brainless.
fading echo
this was the board before he left that alpha alive and i turned his ass
i have way more success when i stop trying to win
and just start trying to burn the other player's resources
every time i try to play aggro to end the match on portal the guy pulls some bullshit and wins
primal isle
fading echo
Guys I finally successfully roached a runecraft on ranked
just did that testing a new roach deck 
warped granite
Smartest runecraft player
umbral seal
@cursive crypt Consider using Achim over Zwei for puppets. I'm about to experiment with it.
cursive crypt
<@475790499488202762> Consider using Achim over Zwei for puppets. I'm about to e...
hell nah 💀 wtf do you copy with that
i already gave up on puppets
its too shit when u dont draw 2 orchis
umbral seal
hell nah 💀 wtf do you copy with that
Most of the things you'd be evolving into on turn 5 don't have more than 4 atk
I personally think it's worth considering over Zwei
I'm not sure why the shikigami was able to attack that same turn, though.
Y'all too allergic to experimentation.
lone agate
I'm not sure why the shikigami was able to attack that same turn, though.
ig stealing counts as having it active?
umbral seal
ig stealing counts as having it active?
Nope. I used it again to steal a sword follower and it didn't have storm. I guess it also copies whatever active keywords are on it at the time.
warped granite
I'm not sure why the shikigami was able to attack that same turn, though.
because kuon already gave the attribute i assume
yeah
umbral seal
The sword match-up is still rough but I genuinely think Achim is good.
wild gale
Nope. I used it again to steal a sword follower and it didn't have storm. I gues...
My evolved kage got stolen and I was so pissed
But mid range sword doesn't run him
umbral seal
Either way, I'd like to see puppets get some more help next set. I suspect Dragon is going to get some help as well but if that happens, people are going to remember why ramp is inherently a busted mechanic.
Not more busted than spellboost, though.
red plover
always love things that steals your opponents stuff, too bad thats only for portal so far
umbral seal
Sword used to have an archetype that revolved around stealing last words
Allegedly, they're bringing that back in the next expansion (omen of the ten)
Just rumors for now, though
red plover
hopefully
gritty anvil
I'm not sure why the shikigami was able to attack that same turn, though.
u can also steal loyd with storm and bane
umbral seal
There's a lot of good followers to steal with under 4 atk
Abe completely dismissed it without even thinking about it
Common L
Zwei technically saving an evo ain't even worth it, since you usually have to evolve Zwei anyway
gritty anvil
if u steal enhanced albert u get to atk 2 times right?
i think achim can be better than phil in puppets
umbral seal
if u steal enhanced albert u get to atk 2 times right?
It copies all the properties of whatever you steal, so it should.
umbral seal
i think achim can be better than phil in puppets
Achim is not a phildau replacement. It's a Zwei replacement.
umbral seal
Zwei has been underperforming so I'm happy to cut her.
blissful olive
yeah but thing with him is he needs to be evo no ?
umbral seal
Y'all used this same argument to try to say Phildau was bad on release. Cards needing an evo point is irrelevant, especially in a deck like puppets which is already good at conserving evo points.
Midrange abyss is similar in that regard as well.
blissful olive
nobody said phil is bad lol
tbh if i can clear without using evo's id think thats better
umbral seal
nobody said phil is bad lol
"nobody" - do you really need me to pull up logs? I distinctely remember arguing with abe about this.
umbral seal
And my counterpoint was that if A&G is dropping down with an evo, countering with Phildau is simply trading evos
That's not "evo negative"
Basic concept.
blissful olive
yeah thats fine but my point still stands on that u cant remove it in sword lol
umbral seal
That is dependent on the board. If you have at least 3 followers otb, A&G has to trade into something
Meaning valse can simply kill her
blissful olive
nah im talking from nothing only valse can if not evo
umbral seal
If you somehow have nothing otb as sword by the time A&G drops, you're already cooked
blissful olive
that princess crd they got now tho is quite good
umbral seal
Also, another thing I learned with achim, evo'd followers that you steal come with rush. Need to remember that because I misplayed one game by stealing a non-evo'd unit.
blissful olive
yeah evo units have rush so they get it
fading echo
Do you guys remember whats the win rate required for each group?
umbral seal
Do you guys remember whats the win rate required for each group?
Allegedly, 65% to get into diamond. 55% to remain there.
Don't know the rest.
silver tide
4 team tournament
5 decks registered
3 team sword forest haven abyss rune
1 team sword forest portal abyss rune
warped granite
5 decks waow
silver tide
its a BO3 format iirc
warped granite
I'm repping dragon let me in
mystic tartan
fuck 2 times against aggro abyss
unkempt lava
umbral seal
Sv1 was more way more generous and "died" after releasing 30+ sets
That's a fine length of time.
silver tide
SV1 was "too generous"
totally
32 sets
with 20-25% legendaries in later sets
yeah man too generous
it will cruise like hearthstone after a while
as in every lobby is filled with names written only in japanese
umbral seal
Personally, I quit after starforged legends iirc
silver tide
the power level is already way out of hand
umbral seal
So I don't know how the economy did or didn't change after that
silver tide
for how new the game is
umbral seal
the power level is already way out of hand
Could be remedied with balance changes but going by cygames' track record, they won't do that until it's way too late
silver tide
we already have the yugioh problem
cards, legendaries included
need to have limited amount of lines of text
we need to not have cards that fucking do 20 things
umbral seal
That mostly sounds like a Rune issue
umbral seal
Sure, I agree. Although Kuon ain't even my main grievance with Rune right now.
fading echo
what a nice number
yo king what's the deck
umbral seal
Probably spellboost and you're missing a dclimb and a&g iirc
fading echo
i'm only missing a dclimb but i could craft
fiery pulsar
Lesbians
umbral seal
There's a lot of different spellboost variations right now but definitely include the onion girl. 1-2 copies.
My list personally runs 1 lilanthim for the mirror but that's just me
fading echo
i have two rune decks but i can't decide on which one
i'm testing them on casuals
since they're both spellboost there's no point in not having just one
fading echo
i played like 40 forest/sword games this afternoon not a single portal
the moment i decide to play my gundam deck
instant queue into a puppet cuck, the hard counter to af portal
umbral seal
Definitely not a "hard counter" but it's unfavorable because they have more burst potential with Orchis.
mystic tartan
yo king what's the deck
Its just hybrid rune lule
gritty anvil
only 2 norman u playing only 2 becasue u dont have 3 ?
fading echo
i'm playing my pure boost and my hybrid and i can't choose which one is better
gritty anvil
but some lists runs only 2 i saw them
i think pure spellboost is better in mirror
but worse vs sword
i guess u can make it better if u run 3 flames and 3 wiliams
vs sword
but maybe thats overkill
i feel like its never bad to run a lot of removals in rune
in pure spellboost i mean
when take two starts ?
tomorrow ?
fading echo
i don't know but it's soon
mystic tartan
only 2 norman u playing only 2 becasue u dont have 3 ?
Nah 2 is enough for me
mystic tartan
i think pure spellboost is better in mirror
Im done with pure spell boost its so easy to bricked
blissful olive
its crazy how bad puppet is man
i actually need to like drop to ruby if i wanna play puppet
fading echo
all paths lead to extinction
barely dropped anything on the board so he couldn't cast any spells on me and burned like 3 cards
blissful olive
they def bricked lol
yeah i cant play puppet all im finding is rune and forest rn
shits unplayable
umbral seal
Puppet is fine into Forest imo. But Rune, you basically need all your odins and orchis's
And even then, it's not favorable
blissful olive
combo forest maybe
but this was aggro and they just are so much better
i swear orchis doesnt exist in my deck
it looks like im winning but this is already over i cant win
bro just healed for 16 this game is retarded
i should just make rune deck is just free wins no thinking
fading echo
yeah that's why i made one
gotta play portal when i'm in a good mood otherwise that shit gonna make me hella mad
having to play planning ahead the entire match and the dude just wins with satan dclimb
blissful olive
if i made rune would cost me 20k rn
cause i dont have kuons
i have 30 something k vials atm but ima just wait
the new player exp for this game must be horrible lol
fading echo
yeah new expansion is in 15 days wait
blissful olive
i dont think its 15 days
fading echo
maybe hell happens and they make something more broken than kuon
umbral seal
It's not
blissful olive
pip said 28th
fading echo
oh
blissful olive
how do u know 28th tho
fading echo
yeah so it's way later 
i was confused because the bonus shit didn't last 30 days
blissful olive
tbh it should be sooner to go along with the team event
doing it so late seems really odd
gritty anvil
i actually need to like drop to ruby if i wanna play puppet
i think that deck literally must hard mulligan for orchis
no matter what
and just run a lot of cycles
3 ruby 3 eudie 3 sylvia 3 olivia
maybe even ding dongs
because that deck literally cant win without her even just 1 usually isnt enough
also sometimes u must use orchis defensively and at that point u lose the game
wild gale
Could be remedied with balance changes but going by cygames' track record, they ...
They are making 22 million each month
blissful olive
JP carries this game fr
warped granite
Reina jumpscare
@gritty anvil
mystic tartan
warped granite
or was it another guy who likes to use reina
blissful olive
and once again we gather around the slow players table
aw nuts
im on the big screen
mystic tartan
waw
blissful olive
here we go a fucking gain
slow ass fellas
prob gonna go 2-2 ran into shitty artifact
sucks dick for sword
blissful olive
ban slow players fr
i wanna go back 2 bed lol
going 2nd in the mirror prob am gonna end up 2-2 lol
shits so ass
blissful olive
good tourney run glad they didnt stick to just short ones
mystic tartan
silver tide
warped granite
fuck man i threw 2 straight games in the tourneys that I should've won
maybe not very good to play when tired
except if my opponent bricks his cards now, Prayge
ok he does lul
3-1 okayge ig
still hitting myself on my misplay
using puppetcraft vs runes and swords, feels okayge
blissful olive
puppet is only ok vs rune if u have hella early game
if it goes to turn 5 its kinda gg's if they arnt almost ded
JP thinks abyss is S tier again
umbral seal
Midrange Abyss is, and they're correct.
They already stated that at the beginning of the expansion too iirc
That being said, SB & Midrange Sword are better, and I'd label those two decks as S+
fading echo
yeah cerberus is bullshit
midrange abyss can just set up a bunch of trash and buff them
blissful olive
rune stays getting free wins i fear
umbral seal
Nah abyss is A at best
Because your opinion means more than both japanese & pro players. You are good at having awful opinions.
blissful olive
im right objectively its not even debatable
name me 1 deck in this entire game outside of abyss
umbral seal
"objectively"
blissful olive
that has a conditional win con
anything
u cant even play cerb if they dont have a board cause she doesnt do anything
umbral seal
What are you defining as a "conditional win con"?
umbral seal
u cant even play cerb if they dont have a board cause she doesnt do anything
Cerb on her own establishes a board. Not playing anything to avoid taking pup damage is not something most classes can do without losing, outside of rune.
Playing Cerb on an empty board is perfectly fine, and something I have done often
blissful olive
yeah but also playing nothing stops cerb too oddly enough
asssuming u cant for whatever reason
they should just give the cerb pups storm on her first summon
umbral seal
yeah but also playing nothing stops cerb too oddly enough
It doesn't, though. This is also ignoring the fact that midrange abyss has plenty of other options to establish a board before playing cerb anyway
So this is an irrelevant point.
Your points either tell me you don't play midrange abyss, you don't play a good list and/or don't play it often enough at a high level
blissful olive
im just speaking facts
umbral seal
Nothing you're saying is facts, though
umbral seal
This is why your opinion is in opposition to good players
blissful olive
same as orchis
anyone that disagrees that cerb is situational lowkey is bad i fear
umbral seal
Bringing up Orchis right now makes no sense when portal has no deck that's better than midrange abyss right now
We can run games right now if you want, lil' homie
blissful olive
no orchis makes perfect sense compared
both of them do 8 damage assuming they have a tleast 1 body
my point has always been u slam it on the table cerb is the only card that u cant do that
umbral seal
Orchis does 8 damage on an empty board, with super evo. Cerb, assuming it's the first one you played, does not do damage into an empty board but doesn't require an evo to establish a strong board.
blissful olive
orchis + llyod is a strong board in of itself
cerb has a 4/1 and a 3/2 not like ur scaring anyone
which u need resources to do in the first place
this is what i been using atm
took out the mummies cause they only good with olivia
hopefully we do get a better win con next set tho this set we just got filler shit like charon
umbral seal
"better win con" - buddy is playing an s tier deck and still think it needs help
Like I said, let's run some games
umbral seal
I wouldn't run RoS in midrange. In fact, I'm not sure most midrange lists do.
umbral seal
I've tried soul predation but I've cut it because it's bad.
I'd rather run ding dongs with 3 olivia
That's more consistent
If cycling/card draw is what's needed
blissful olive
rage is there to help close off games which it does quite well
especially vs rune healing 500 health a minute
umbral seal
I understand why you have it but imo, if cerb & odins can't close out the game, I'm not sure how often rage will help
Since the biggest thing you need against rune are followers that stick
blissful olive
it also helps vs aggro
umbral seal
i.e. zombies
blissful olive
like beryl is a huge bitch if u cant remove it early
umbral seal
This has gotten me to diamond master when I was experimenting with random ass decks.
The only decks better than midrange abyss imo are midrange sword and sb rune
The roach match-up is kinda even
blissful olive
only thing id change is ceres tbh
i feel like shes 2 slow in this meta
i assume u only have her incase aggro
umbral seal
Nope, the healing is pretty important, especially against aggro abyss and sword
There have been games where I would have lost if I didn't have ceres for the +4 healing
Since the only other card that can do that is ginsetsu
umbral seal
Holding all of your super evos for Cerb is not the way you should be thinking
Especially if you're getting pressured
blissful olive
usually i do it odin or cerb sometimes medusa
umbral seal
You should never super evo Odin unless it's lethal or you're setting up two turn lethal
Medusa never needs super evo unless she is lethal
blissful olive
i usually do that late in the game
yeah i sevo medusa depending on MU cause some decks dont have removal period like dragon or haven
setting up for a kill after etc
umbral seal
yeah i sevo medusa depending on MU cause some decks dont have removal period lik...
Dragon has a lot of removal, what lol
umbral seal
Yeah, they kinda do.
blissful olive
ud need to use multiple or crash + twilight etc
you can argue feet but thats an evo point
umbral seal
If you're super evo'ing medusa because you think I can't get through 10 hp, why do you think I wouldn't also trade a super evo to punish you?
umbral seal
you can argue feet but thats an evo point
I would gladly trade a normal evo for a super evo
lol
blissful olive
no i use it for the 3 damage
umbral seal
That's a winning play for me
umbral seal
no i use it for the 3 damage
Yeah, and I'm saying you shouldn't do that
Unless it's lethal
blissful olive
nah if i can set up lethal im doing that
the only thing dragon has thats super annoying is neptune now days
honestly she keeps the deck alive
tried ur deck for 1 game and i bricked
u put a curse on me dood ?
umbral seal
Y'all call things bricks that are not bricks
blissful olive
nothing to play for 5 turns lol
umbral seal
The only thing that hand is missing is a 3. Am I missing something here?
blissful olive
u cant drop mukan just asa 3/3 lol
umbral seal
I will if I have to. Depends on the match-up.
blissful olive
what i want for abyss honestly
is a card to play mid game that fucks with people
the way AG puts people in certain situations
umbral seal
That's called Charon. But I'd rather cygames didn't print more cards that are on the power level of A&G.
blissful olive
the only thing i do with charon is get orhtrus or phil back
to clear
bro is fighting for his life
this is so rigged
destroy 4 random followers btw
fading echo
rune stays getting free wins i fear
rune turn 10 
blissful olive
leaves glid up somehow
given free wins
cause random is not random
buff this card fr lemme choose what 2 destroy
umbral seal
That'd make ginsetsu too good, and he's already extremely good
blissful olive
lowkey insane that this game is already over cause i went 1st
yeah this is unplayable lol
idk why i even played this out it was over from turn 1
blissful olive
the second coc d shift happens its over
bro hit me for 19
storm rider and prug demon
rune is prob gonna be the best deck until we EOS lol
i knew i was fucked when i went first cause that means he always wins trades
blissful olive
taking every fiber of my being to not craft rune rn
Not having kuon lowkey killing me would cost 21k vials to make
umbral seal
You should craft it so you can see why I don't play it on ladder
The deck is OP but it's not free points
blissful olive
it is if u can coc d shift
5/10 chances u win on the spot
actually 7/10 i guess
wish i could see the ratio in the apoc deck but i think its 2 purgs 2 riders and 1 apoc
umbral seal
it is if u can coc d shift
Again, I'm not saying this combo isn't op but you'll see that it's genuinely not that easy to get this combo every game.
In fact, most games I play sb rune, it's not winning with that combo
But the deck has several routes to winning that a lot of players won't recognize
hazy lily
blissful olive
i hate how shitty cygames does its mechanics man
lost this game cause if i played mukan id lose 8 shadows which would brick my cerb turn
so i played olivia didnt draw 2 drop instant gg
let us choose if we do something its so bad
gritty anvil
Nope, the healing is pretty important, especially against aggro abyss and sword
also ceres is good play into zirconia turn kinda because they need to evo her into her so 6/6 dies basically
umbral seal
Yup. It's not a play I often do but it sometimes comes up
blissful olive
lowkey that would feel awful
gritty anvil
lowkey that would feel awful
for who
also ceres is really akward to remove for abyss aggro
on curve