Last Epoch

[main agate]

both i guess?

[elfin cape]

People seem to see D3 in a good light now, I think?

[main agate]

just depends what u like

too much loot for my taste and difficulty comes too late in

but overall its just preference

and me playing fucking forge master with 2hander shield and 2 paladin autocast heals

so its giga safe by default

[elfin cape]

Yeah, playing any Sentinel spec right now is basically freelo.

You have to try to die.

Especially if you're also using vengeance.

[main agate]

i was honestly just llooking for giants blood adjacent build

[drifting vapor]

I haven't played that much, just finished campaign

[jolly hearth]

ayo d3 conversation?

[drifting vapor]

just not a fan of HC

[jolly hearth]

i love d3

[elfin cape]

#1358863344756588774 message

Log in.

[jolly hearth]

I actually logged in last night

and am mulling craeting a character today

[indigo cosmos]

if i could stop getting fucking caster gear

[jolly hearth]

is arlock fun?

or i mean

did it chan ge since i played it in 1.0?

[elfin cape]

Try it and find out.

[jolly hearth]

i have liek 70h on torment warlock at launch

[indigo cosmos]

i'd be surprised if you could find something that wasn't fun

[jolly hearth]

I like casters

How's the mage masteries?

[indigo cosmos]

well you can respec your mastery

so if youd ont like it just pick another one

[jolly hearth]

yea but

are they fun?

runemaster sorcerer spellblade whats cooler?

[elfin cape]

You keep asking this "fun" question when it sounds like you're asking if they're strong or not.

So why not just say that instead?

[jolly hearth]

nah

you dont have me figured out

i play the most dogshit dinosaurs in my game

because they're fun

do the specs feel good?

i thought warlock felt good

[indigo cosmos]

i'll defer to my other point

[elfin cape]

I guess? This is why I'll always answer with "try it and find out".

[indigo cosmos]

i'll be surprised if you find something that doesn't feel good/isn't fun

other than whirlwind

[elfin cape]

Because what you think feels good, or cool, or fun

It's way too subjective

To answer properly

[jolly hearth]

yea but between these 3 specs

shits usable yea?

which in your opinion is the cooler mage spec?

[elfin cape]

Everything in this game is usable

You have to try very hard to make a bad build in this game, for one

[jolly hearth]

literally unable to answer a straight up quiestion

[elfin cape]

And two, in my personal opinion, I think the runemaster is the coolest mage spec

But that's just me.

[jolly hearth]

what does it do?

[elfin cape]

?

In terms of what?

You need to ask a more specific question.

[jolly hearth]

like, whats the class philosophy behind it?

sling spells?

[drifting vapor]

Do you know Invoker in dota?

Runemaster is a bit like that
Mix and match basic abilities to get more spells

[jolly hearth]

ah like weaving type shit?

[elfin cape]

So runemaster's gimmick is runic invocation. You cast spells of different elements and depending on the order, it affects what you get out of your runic invocation.

[indigo cosmos]

just play hammerdin

[jolly hearth]

ic

and how's spellblade?

[drifting vapor]

Spellblade is the melee, but spells, guy

[elfin cape]

Spellblade isn't weak but needs an update, imo.

Also very gear dependent in my experience

[drifting vapor]

It's the first mastery i played in LE

Kinda fun, i liked it

[jolly hearth]

ill mull over it and see where I wanna go thanks

[elfin cape]

If you really want to play a caster, you also have the option of playing smite VK, smite Paladin, Devouring Orb VK (still uses smite, I think).

Sentinel doesn't just mean a melee attacker.

[jolly hearth]

eh

men are cringe

[indigo cosmos]

not to mention sentinel is literally broken overpowered

[elfin cape]

The mage character is also a man. If you just want to play women, your choices are acolyte and rogue, dummy.

[jolly hearth]

guess I aint playing mage 🙂

are the rogue specs cool?

[elfin cape]

[main agate]

umbral is alwasy good

[indigo cosmos]

ntx is old

he doesn't have the apm for umbral

[raw sedge]

my fucking hands hurt from umbral falconeer plus aerial assualt is bugged

heartseeker is chill

[jolly hearth]

the BLACKEST kettle speaking

[elfin cape]

He's still younger than you, though.

[indigo cosmos]

I would know ip layed the shit

it hurt my hands

i would not recommend it

[jolly hearth]

let his cock go bro he aint paying nearly enough

[raw sedge]

come over here

[indigo cosmos]

I don't like how wartpath feels

there's a delay and it slows you too much

[elfin cape]

All I'm doing is stating facts.

[raw sedge]

it's retirement

[jolly hearth]

im 26

[raw sedge]

[indigo cosmos]

imma stick on my hammerdin forge

[raw sedge]

do you weapon swap on bosses?

[indigo cosmos]

need to figure out what other skill to spec since healing hands is useless

[elfin cape]

This is a bigger lie than you claiming to be poor.

[jolly hearth]

neither of these things aare lies

I am giga broke

[indigo cosmos]

just pick a twitch drop mtx skill

to play

[elfin cape]

???

If you're not using HH for traversal, I don't know what you're doing

[indigo cosmos]

why the fuck would i do that

[jolly hearth]

o theres ttv drops?

[indigo cosmos]

i shield chrage halfway through the map

with hammers and just kill everything

[elfin cape]

Ah. If you're using shield charge, never mind. Although, I'm not sure if I'd use shield charge over HH on my build.

Need to see the passives.

[indigo cosmos]

i mean i might change later but for now since shield charge can go further than a single screen

that's why i use it

i can literally shield charge half of a map and just kill everything while i'm doing it

[elfin cape]

Yeah, I just looked over the passives and shield rush provides considerably less utility than HH. They're both non-target traversal but shield rush not having full immunity during the animation kinda sucks.

But if shield rush is your damage, all that probably doesn't matter.

Both are infinitely better than lunge anyway.

[flint zephyr]

ye lunge is for early gaming

later u can use shield rush to just zoom

[sinful tangle]

yeah I really like shield rush as traversal

feels good when you get a straight corridor map

[patent rampart]

fucking dumpstered majala

so funny when the full hp restore mechanic kicks in but i outdmg it

[indigo cosmos]

how did quin die to lagon

and i didn't

[elfin cape]

Prolly got lasered.

[indigo cosmos]

i mean he did but i just lived through it lmao

i literally walked into it on purpose to see if i'd die

[elfin cape]

Outskilled, obviously

[patent rampart]

just tried the league mechanic

seems pretty cool

but i dont really have any decent sentinel idols to enchant

[raw sedge]

same

[patent rampart]

symbol of hate gain rate. good mod?

no idea what difference it makes how fast they generate

[patent rampart]

also what does re-enchanting do. just remove all the special league stuff from the idol, like reset to let you try again?

or does it like add more stacks on top of whats there already

seems insane if its the latter

[flint zephyr]

does LE have its own client btw

or only steam

[elfin cape]

Time to log the fuck back in

[indigo cosmos]

just hit monos

guess i need to make a filter

[indigo cosmos]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/s/hp4QsBQ04S

[main agate]

alrdy?

damn

[indigo cosmos]

Yeah a lot of people were saying only 5 to 10 people were ever going to kill it

And that it would take 3 weeks or so to happen

Id be surprised if anything other than paladin kills it

Paladin is so absurdly fucking overpowered it's legit stupid

[indigo cosmos]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/s/kJdZwPXmYU

I never even knew these existed

[elfin cape]

I knew about 'em but also, if people want a harder campaign, I really don't like needing to equip a piece of gear to do it.

Seems very stupid.

A few patches back, there actually was a hard-mode toggle during character creation

Rare EHG L with that change.

[jolly hearth]

Whats the coolest rogue spec?

[indigo cosmos]

Heartseeker is the new shit so

[raw sedge]

falconeer is sick

most unique spec I've played

[patent rampart]

Blade dancer because swords and killing is badass

nuffin personell kid

[bright kayak]

i personally dont like minion playstyle

but falconer is just hit different

(tbf it isnt that minion )

[novel wharf]

its real

[raw sedge]

HOE LEE

[indigo cosmos]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/s/mxoT8cbMkm

Le drama pog

[main agate]

[patent rampart]

whoa your char looks so cool and colorful wowie

[raw sedge]

[novel wharf]

https://www.twitch.tv/wudijo/clip/TrustworthyHedonisticPanTBCheesePull-UeRGA2F4R11lyrc4

[gloomy kernel]

was aberroth in the test realm by that date?

i forgot when tf they released it

[novel wharf]

regular aberroth was in 1.0 so yea

[gloomy kernel]

no he wasnt

he was like one patch later if i recall

or maybe in the test realm he is?

[indigo cosmos]

Disqualify all sentinels

[gloomy kernel]

Quin is gonna have a field day with this "POTENT REACT"

[raw sedge]

[drifting vapor]

woodland joseph...

[jolly hearth]

man poison cock feels op kinda at the begiunning

i love it

[patent rampart]

prolly a lot of op feeling skills

esp once you twink gear

[indigo cosmos]

quin was complaining teh game was too easy on VK

and now is complaining it's too hard

[patent rampart]

so thats the situation

[flint zephyr]

watching quin do a map rq

feel like whatever this build is doesnt do fuck all for damage

[indigo cosmos]

Maelstrom and storm bolt

And yeah it's well known for being dogshit bait

[elfin cape]

People saying Sentinel is OP but the gap between vk/fg and Paladin is enormous.

[flint zephyr]

pld is nuts rn

fucking immortal and bajllions of damage

[elfin cape]

Like if vk & fg are S-tier, Paladin is triple S tier

[main agate]

well fg is using three abilities from pala tree anyway

60% there

[elfin cape]

3?

You mean 2

That being said, HH and SoH have the same problem VR did pre-rework

Every Sentinel wants them because they're too good

[main agate]

ah right shield throw is generic sentinel one

[elfin cape]

Shield Throw is 5 pts in fg

Hammer throw is the generic Sentinel skill

Not trying to be pedantic

🫠

[main agate]

i might be stoned then

[elfin cape]

lol

As much as I've played Sentinel, Paladin is the only spec I've never played

It's always been considered the best one

And is more broken than ever

[main agate]

but yeah i wanna try non multistrike fg

cause this shits even though rly good

kinda sleeper

[elfin cape]

I always use vengeance

Vengeance/Forge Strike is what I'm doing right now

[indigo cosmos]

nah VK is right up there with pld

forge guard is worse

[elfin cape]

Definitely don't agree with VK being on the same level. That's not to say VK is weak by any stretch of the imagination.

[indigo cosmos]

other classes just do not have the sustain or defense

and if they want every classt o have the sustain/defense then they need to rework 80% of the game

or they can just obliterate sentinel

[elfin cape]

I expect them to balance with the same care and consideration they had with ward. Reminder that people correctly pointed out they didn't go far enough the first time they tried to nerf ward. And that's fine. They're not ggg.

I prefer balancing with a scalpel, not a sledgehammer

[indigo cosmos]

nah they need to nuke it

shit is retarded

all of your resistances being capped by just being a paladin

block cap without even playing FG

insane regen from HH/Sigils of clown

extreme armor

meanwhile rogue is like PLEASE HELP ALL I GET IS GLANCING BLOWS PLEASE

oh also 15x more damage than any other class

[elfin cape]

Paladin does deserve a tactical nuke but I would confidently bet money that ehg aren't going to nerf it as hard as you want them to.

[indigo cosmos]

i literally want them to nuke it so hard that it gets renamed to warrior or something

[elfin cape]

Personally, I think Holy Aura is the biggest offender.

I expect nerfs to that & Judgement specifically. I don't think SoH deserves nerfs even though it's mandatory on every Sentinel. They need to do something so that every non-Paladin doesn't have to pay the Paladin tax to take it.

HH doesn't deserve nerfs at all but it exacerbates the balance issue with Paladin because they have so much healing effectiveness

[indigo cosmos]

https://m.twitch.tv/quin69/clip/FurryScrumptiousFoxBlargNaut-WtKxnTWY5qP0bkaH?desktop-redirect=true

[elfin cape]

What a fucking idiot.

I don't understand why he even selected rune of ascendance there.

[elfin cape]

@indigo cosmos Is there even a way to be block capped as FG without using face of the mountain?

[indigo cosmos]

I have no idea I haven't opened a single planned

Planner

[elfin cape]

[indigo cosmos]

Forge guard penultimate skill is bugged lol

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/forgemaster-might-bug-double-penalty/75899

[elfin cape]

This is not what I wanted to see when I was just about to get that passive.

Unironically, with the current state of Paladin, Forgemaster's Might shouldn't even have a penalty.

Especially not an attack speed penalty.

[indigo cosmos]

[elfin cape]

That guy doesn't have enough downvotes.

I'm not sure if EHG is going to ramp up the campaign difficulty any time soon, if ever, because that seems to be a polarizing topic. Most fellas here want it to be more challenging. In an entirely different server I'm in, everyone there is happy with the difficulty. The sub-reddit itself is largely okay with the difficulty and the people with grievances about it aren't going to go back to PoE 2 b/c they're crack addicts.

[indigo cosmos]

The difficulty depends on the class tbh. Sentinel literally just afks through the game

Shaman has it rough

[elfin cape]

Shaman desperately needs a rework/update. Spellblade also kinda needs an update.

Druid & Beastmaster are fine, last I checked.

[novel wharf]

is the stat-swap woven echo the rarest map? ive gotten a lot of everything except that

[raw sedge]

this game is fantastic man

https://fixupx.com/Ryujin_17_/status/1911680298485535128

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me eating this patch up after POE2

[drifting vapor]

I did say that, but ultimately I don't really mind

If anything an easy campaign makes it easier to level alts

[novel wharf]

my marksman is getting filtered by uber. have to play perfectly while doing average damage so the overall fight takes too long

[indigo cosmos]

yeah rogue literally cannot get enough defenses

[raw sedge]

I love rogue sm

heartseeker my league start from now on

[gentle marlin]

@elfin cape build looking fun af

[elfin cape]

Thanks.

Unfortunately, the 2h + shield node is bugged

[gentle marlin]

It is?

Damn, that's a shame

Is that manifest armour following you?

[elfin cape]

I'm not using manifest armor

You mean the forged weapons?

[gentle marlin]

oh wait, I'm dumb

lmao

its the campaign npc

[elfin cape]

lol

Gotta say, as satisfying as it is, chasing loot lizards through mobs is a bad habit I shouldn't carry over to HC

[flint zephyr]

no

u get that damn loot lizard

[dense girder]

shitty mob loot?

loot lizard?

[main agate]

the attack speed one?

how is it bugged

[elfin cape]

Apparently, it's applying the penalty more than once in some situations

I think in cases of equipping and re-equipping

[main agate]

oh

[flint zephyr]

when i started LE in season 1

everyone just basically deemed FG as complete garbage and worthless to pick

did they buff it or something

[main agate]

i guess they just added content where survivability is of use?

[flint zephyr]

maybe? but paladin

[main agate]

and being able to afk tank 99% of the game actaully turns into net positive dps

over playing smth squishy

i mean paladin is smth else

kinda another convo

[flint zephyr]

they prob nerfing that for s3

its absurd

[elfin cape]

FG is still worse than VK and Paladin. This was the case even pre-rework.

Big issue right now is that Forgemaster's Might, the passive that lets you use a 2h with a shield

Feels awful.

The biggest buff to every Sentinel was symbols of hope being reworked so that you don't have to spam a high cost spell for buffs

Now the symbols just passively generate and you get buffs that way, with the activation giving you ward and a defensive bonus

However, from what I can tell, I don't think you ever want to use the active for SoH

[flint zephyr]

why does it feel awful

is that the 2x penalty thing?

[main agate]

no haste, minus attack speed

both feel pretty bad

[flint zephyr]

i dont understand no haste why does that come into play

ud think it would be slower with a 2h

[elfin cape]

I'm fine with no haste. That is irrelevant.

However, the attack speed penalty feels crippling.

[flint zephyr]

do u think them fixing the bug would actually matter or prob be the same-ish?

[elfin cape]

I just don't think this passive should have a penalty, especially with the current state of Paladin and VK

Taking this passive made me feel like I was back in PoE 2 when I fought the mini boss before Lagon

And I was blasting everything prior to allocating that node

[main agate]

well idk haste just feels like a default thing on fuckton of builds

[elfin cape]

This build plans to have no haste and I currently don't have a source of haste

It's not relevant.

[main agate]

im just talking purely from how it feels to play pov

[flint zephyr]

ok lemme change the question a bit

[main agate]

not build

[flint zephyr]

WHY pick forge master

[main agate]

you wanna play two-hander and a shield

[elfin cape]

Because I enjoy the aesthetic and it's my most played spec, even pre-rework.

Your question is basically asking me "why not just be a meta cuck and play Paladin"

Weird question.

[main agate]

yeah people who like giant blood in poe or dualwielding in general

[flint zephyr]

whats so bad about it even before? i just know everyone memed on it

is it just low damage ?

[elfin cape]

Inferior to Paladin & VK in terms of damage and survivability

This was the case pre-rework

And now

[flint zephyr]

yeah PLD is like giga nuts rn

[main agate]

now u just use 2 pala auto cast abilities and shield ring

on a default multristrike fm

[flint zephyr]

healing hands basically being free heal + dps is absolutely insane

then healing symbols being a DPS passive buff and a defensive cooldown lol

[main agate]

and travel ability

[elfin cape]

Fully spec'd SoH gives 15% passive block, which is why I'd never use the active since I'd need that 15% to be block capped

[main agate]

but my go all these arpgs are making me salivate

golden era

[patent rampart]

so i never noticed how you can get skills from other specs even if you dont pick them. like this void knight build im following uses a bunch of paladin shit. and my instinct is just like, isnt this terrible game design? because youre going to see exactly this kind of behavior, everyone picking paladin shit because its broken.

the skills should be exclusive for the spec you pick so you can FEEL THE WEIGHT

and you have to CHOOSE

cant just dip into every overpowered shit

[elfin cape]

What do you think the chain is here for?

Now that being said, being able to dip into some classes to get skills behind the change is not inherently a bad thing

And it's not a problem for most other specs

It's just egregious for Sentinel. It's the main reason why they were reworked because all Sentinels were dipping 5 pts into VK for Volatile Reversal.

The problem now is that Symbols of Hope is so broken that all Sentinel need to dip 15 points into Paladin for it

[patent rampart]

yeah

i can see that since with the previous builds i did i didnt think about this

its only now that im thinking this is fucked

[indigo cosmos]

nah the idea is fine it's like original wow

where you could take skills from other specs

but paladin is just retarded

[elfin cape]

So to answer your original question, no this isn't terrible game design, but we're currently in a situation where it's causing problems for Sentinel specifically.

[indigo cosmos]

There's really no other base class that benefits as much from class dipping as anyhting does from paladin

they were just smoking good shit when they made pld

[patent rampart]

i can see that

someone at the devs

LOVES paladin

so much

boss's kid wanted to play pally

[elfin cape]

If it was me, I would nerf Judgement and nerf Symbols of Hope. SoH should arguably be locked behind the chain and then FG should be compensated as a result.

Current VK needs no compensation.

And nerf Holy Aura, obviously.

[indigo cosmos]

Symbols should be removed from the game

it's dogshit game design

free passive regen etc is retarded

no other class gets anything even remotely this strong

let alone for fucking free

[patent rampart]

yeah i dont like it because its just shit you put on your skill bar but its not actually a skill. its a passive in disguise

[elfin cape]

Disagree and they're also not going to do that. They literally just reworked it so you don't have to spam a 45 mana spell to get these buffs.

[indigo cosmos]

They will absolutely nerf the fuck out of

[patent rampart]

remove that shit and make it so shit on your skill bar is stuff you actually use

[indigo cosmos]

it should not be a free passive

just put it on the fucking tree if that's what you're gonna do it

there is literally no reason to ever skip it

[elfin cape]

Y'all have not been paying attention if you think they're going to take the GGG approach to balance I already explained this, even if I agree on principle that it deserves severe nerfs.

[patent rampart]

when i see builds where the skills they spec into is basically 1 damage skill and the rest are just passive shit, thats infuriating

[indigo cosmos]

Nah they will watch

that shit will get it's passive generation removed

i don't give a fuck if it costs 10 mana or wahtever

it being full passive is absolutely insanely stupid

[main agate]

its more of a balancing issue rather than design

the design problem is all of it being autocast

THAT is an issue

when my bis build is 4 passives defacto

thats just not interesting

[patent rampart]

a thousand times

[indigo cosmos]

I mean it's both

when it had a 45 mana cost it was still a must have

you just had to figure out how to build around the insane mana cost

which shows it's a massive balance issue

how they went from "it's annoying to spend 45 mana on a skill that's a must have" to making it a free regen is absurd

the fact that people STILL TOOK THE SHIT when it cost 45 mana

tells you it's broken

[patent rampart]

im fine with a skill that is partially passive but they shouldnt be completely passive, they should require or encourage some kind of interaction to keep you awake. like if you have a small passive heal over time and then you can activate it to get a huge heal, that kinda stuff is cool

[indigo cosmos]

might as well just make ring of shields passive

[main agate]

yeah sheild circle thing is more or less inline

[indigo cosmos]

it does less than sigils

costs mana

has a cd

[main agate]

but yeah ieven that is kinda meh

[indigo cosmos]

like how can you possibly look at those two skills and think "yeah this is fine"

[main agate]

yeah problem is game is like 5 years old at this point

so if it aint changed by now idk

even though as far as i understand this paladin shit is relatively new in comparison

[indigo cosmos]

yeah they reworked all sentinel classes

[indigo cosmos]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/s/AKs8eUj7oA

People don't know steam updates on Tuesday

[indigo cosmos]

oh they pushed out a hotfix...at the same time as steam maitanence

and actually broke it

[flint zephyr]

W

[indigo cosmos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az3DIajfguk

balanced class

apparently this was due to the chest piece being bugged?

[indigo cosmos]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1k5zn29/servers_down_discord_post/

[novel wharf]

Sentinel nerfs incoming

[indigo cosmos]

nah there'a c ouple of dupes that have been discovered

[flint zephyr]

i'll be sad if they kill pld

[indigo cosmos]

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/last-epoch-patch-1-2-1-notes/76245

[elfin cape]

Man, anyone saying forged weapons aren't cracked is on some shit

It ain't paladin but these things have insane single target.

[indigo cosmos]

yes but have youc onsidered...

it's minion cuck

[elfin cape]

I guess? I enjoy Beastmaster as well.

I only hate minion builds when they're doing all the work.

[exotic minnow]

I thought I would have had fun playing miniom and not play the game but I ended up falling asleep multiple times whole playing

[elfin cape]

Forge Guard and Beastmaster are different. You're working in tandem with your minions.

[main agate]

Whats a zoomy build that isnt complete paper

I like fm but im gonna off myself with how slow it is in comparison to previous builds

[novel wharf]

probably umbral blades falconer. very fast while tankier than the other rogue builds

[main agate]

Ok i prob should have mentioned i did like 2 umbral blades before so ideally not that again

But ty

[novel wharf]

warpath? im building towards that right now with my vk alt

[main agate]

Actually warpath might be decent yeah

Or maybe some forge strike build

[flint zephyr]

another patch just now

VK warpath looks fun tbh but i didnt wanna do that maybe next time

[novel wharf]

trying out erasing strike with world splitter. this damage is too much

[raw sedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1050754124649607178.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[patent rampart]

erasing is pog

big slap

[gentle marlin]

I'll slap you big butt

[raw sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/uni-cat-gif-16508948274886257497

[indigo cosmos]

yeah erasing strike does bigger dam than judgement

and why VK is on the same level as pld

[patent rampart]

[flint zephyr]

anyone know why i cant see my quests ?

[raw sedge]

press shift

[bright kayak]

me slam

the sentinel rework make it even more braindead

[flint zephyr]

warrior natation !

[flint zephyr]

feel like this launcher is really bad sometimes it doesnt open at all sometimes it takes ages sometimes its within 20 seconds

[flint zephyr]

[elfin cape]

Trash.

[indigo cosmos]

That's the other half of sigils being a dogshit designed skill

you never actually want to consume them

[flint zephyr]

yea

for a second i read it as +2 symbols

[gentle marlin]

They'll fix it on the next rework

second time is the charm

trust

[flint zephyr]

season 3 shit'l get nerfed for sure

pld is over tuned

[patent rampart]

lol they reworked sigils and didnt change items that work with it?

yikes

[flint zephyr]

in that patch just now ?

[elfin cape]

They did. That's not the problem with that item.

[flint zephyr]

this shield kinda funny cant gain ward but always have like 4k ward anyways

[raw sedge]

if I have a 0 lp unique then nemesis egg it, and then put it into the weaver tree what stats does tyhat item drop with

[elfin cape]

Random.

Nice try, though.

I get what you're trying to do but anything you put into the tree is going to increase your drop rate of that item, but not the odds of dropping with that item's stats or better

Or that item's lp or better

[raw sedge]

caught my ass

was hoping I could imprint this for a higher lp

[elfin cape]

Can't imprint boss-drop uniques either.

Pretty sure Omnis only drops from Orobyss.

[raw sedge]

[raw sedge]

if I rune of redemption a >+4 skill Idc about < is it limited to rolling into other +4s?

[raw sedge]

this looks nice but wrong +4

rune of redemption gaming?

https://tenor.com/view/five-nights-at-freddys-five-night-freddy-freddy-gif-23631661

[patent rampart]

[flint zephyr]

using LP and all that make no sense 2me

i just have to use whatever lol

[main agate]

wdym

[flint zephyr]

u smash a certain affix onto a piece of gear

i just dunno how to do it havent played since season 1

[main agate]

temporal sanctum

its like a reward thing at the end of it

u put item with lp and the exlated u trasnferring from

u also skip all of actual temporal sanctum run apart form boss with key

so its like 30 sec

[flint zephyr]

uhh i cant remember

do u select what affix gets xfered

or is it only exalted affixes ?

[main agate]

any

but first transfer u can choose

[flint zephyr]

and its random ?

[main agate]

1st mod

[flint zephyr]

oh ok

[main agate]

rest random

[flint zephyr]

so first time is 100% 2nd time u get a random affix from X/Y gear

does it replace a affix on ur main item or just add it ?

[main agate]

just add on top

[flint zephyr]

ah ok thank you

[main agate]

thats why this is so op u endgame u defacto run all unique

[flint zephyr]

oh right u can craft the exalted shit onto uni's huh

[main agate]

yep

[flint zephyr]

its 1 per LP?

[main agate]

and u can have items with unlimited exalteed

yep

[flint zephyr]

ah ok

last question where is the temporal sanctum lol

i havent done this in forever

[main agate]

u know in your inventory there is a tab with all the keys

[flint zephyr]

yeah

[main agate]

and entrance items

u can just right click

[flint zephyr]

i have a bunch of like twilight arbor n junk

[main agate]

and it will auto open it on map

[flint zephyr]

oh ok

[elfin cape]

I don't know if it's optimal but I'm going to fully spec my tree for lizards

[raw sedge]

right there with you

I love when they spawn

[patent rampart]

This dual guy so pma

Gonna dethrone me

[elfin cape]

If you're pma just for the sake of being pma, it is meaningless.

[raw sedge]

I am simply enjoying the product

Going from HCSSF perfect strike to this was shell shock

[elfin cape]

There are lessons both games can learn from each other, even though I don't want to see either game mirror the other.

PoE 2 can definitely learn more from LE, imo.

The carrot vs stick balance needs to be tweaked significantly

Whereas the difficulty curve in LE probably needs adjustments. Not necessarily to make the game harder but to give you more of the feeling of going from a weakling to a god.

[raw sedge]

I like the gear progression, I want a couple more lagon checks

although empowered monos will check you, you don't really get there fast

[elfin cape]

Yeah, there should be more "lagon level difficulty" prior to that point in the campaign

While it's good that there's a low chance of a noob doing some random shit and getting completely stuck as a result, there do need to be harder progression checks so that a noob knows that they probably need to make adjustments moving forward.

[elfin cape]

[raw sedge]

Lord I have seen what you have done for others

[raw sedge]

aerial assault patched

we're so back

60% increased resonance drop buff too

I got my entire discord on LE

[gentle marlin]

[patent rampart]

[indigo cosmos]

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/twitch-drops-redux/77620

[patent rampart]

a fucking owl

lets go

OFF TO HOGWARTS WE GO

[indigo cosmos]

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/last-epoch-is-going-on-sale/77773

[dense girder]

neat

[patent rampart]

only 20% off

on a several year old game

i mean its better than no sale ever like factorio i guess

but i grieve for poor gamers

[jolly hearth]

You dont discount too low when you're making sales

It gives the perception the game isnt worth shit

And isnt good value

Cant do that for a gaas getting updates unless you go p.much f2p

Otherwise you effectively tank your pricepoint

And people will wait for the next hefty discount

[indigo cosmos]

we've had this dicussion like 50 times about LE already

how they've "priced as low as they're willing to go"

i'm honestly surprised they went on sale at all

[elfin cape]

I, and many others, have explained this to Tannu multiple times

Starting to think he has weebow-tier intellect

Honestly

[patent rampart]

Any game can just say they priced it as low as they can go

That's just made up words

What does that even mean. Does that mean that another $30 game has a massive markup cuz the devs felt like it

Hey let's just charge more because fuck gamers amirite

[jolly hearth]

50$/h if you want to hear it from me

Otherwise you can lookup marketing price strategy itll give you the general idea

Wait its your bday

40$/h

20% discount

@patent rampart why do you think my perspective on this subject is worth 50$ an hour?

[jolly hearth]

This here is "falling for it" kinda

But im not gonna pick at it yet

[indigo cosmos]

i mean the game is like 30 bucks

not on sale

meanwhile dudes be out here spending 100 on hogwarts

[jolly hearth]

Ok nvm tannu doesn't want to know

• im late I gotta go restaurant

[jolly hearth]

Yes

[patent rampart]

i was deep asleep when you tagged me

[solemn creek]

@indigo cosmos dead channel cuh

[gentle marlin]

https://youtu.be/cuiilGuoL7Y

[solemn creek]

Is this game good?

Maybe I should actually get into this game and forget about POE

Since LE is new and I can learn everything from the beginning

[patent rampart]

"new"

[exotic minnow]

compared to its competition that is almost old enough to drive a car

[patent rampart]

wait a sec, lost epoch is on sale

didnt we have an argument about LE never being on sale

inconsistent ass devs

[solemn creek]

@patent rampart let’s play it together

[patent rampart]

ok

i did LE coop with my class mate

wasn't bad

[indigo cosmos]

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/a-new-chapter-for-eleventh-hour-games/78482

[gloomy kernel]

arent these guys the Subnautica Publisher?

[indigo cosmos]

yeah

[gloomy kernel]

was EHG self funded before? iirc they were getting funded by Tencent right?

[indigo cosmos]

https://youtu.be/TnDnhPqC0BA?si=A0kO7AUQH8radYHZ

[raw sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-jerk-fap-bust-nut-gif-20113701

game time

reading about krafton got me dooming tho

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/888467898635546644/1397598397099151510/twitter_1947768739887526151.gif

[patent rampart]

yeah my friend was doomposting my dms earlier saying the game is ogre

idk man

its rng, say 95% chance nothing happens 5% games fucked

[scarlet agate]

[gentle marlin]

Not sure what to think of this

[gentle marlin]

PUBG guys

[gentle marlin]

Self funded, kickstart and some Tencent money

[drifting vapor]

POE seems to be doing fine post Tencent

LE was definitely not in a good spot dev wise so maybe this will improve things

slow patches, story not done 1 year after "official release"

[solemn creek]

I’m going to get this game

[gloomy kernel]

Krafton Bad

Last Epoch Bad

Baseg

[novel wharf]

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/primal-hunt-coming-to-last-epoch-august-21st/78569

[gentle marlin]

[indigo cosmos]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3865750/Last_Epoch__Primal_Legend_Supporter_Pack/

Steam

Last Epoch - Primal Legend Supporter Pack

Primal Legend - Supporter Pack

Ascend to sacred heights with the Primal Legend pack, a tribute to the lost Temple of Eterra, a place where marble halls shimmered with blue light, and life was shaped by divine hands. These cosmetics embody reverence, strength, and the serene legacy of creation itself.…

Price

$59.99

▶ Play video

https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1moch1j/last_epoch_primal_legend_supporter_pack_on_steam/

the sub is RAGING

the prices are the same as last season

but now they're owned by krafton it's suddenly terrible

[scarlet agate]

[gentle marlin]

LE TOUCAN

HAS

ARRIVED

Insta buying this shit

[indigo cosmos]

WOW SUPPORTING KRAFTON???

NAZI

[gentle marlin]

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[indigo cosmos]

So many people going "they got allt he money they need from krafton this is ridiculous"

yeah because they got bought out krafton is obviously not trying to make money from the thing they acquired

[indigo cosmos]

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/quality-of-life-minion-ai-coming-to-last-epoch-august-21st/78609

should post yesterdays

they introduced flicker lich

[elfin cape]

Definitely playing a lich next season

My biggest issue with acolyte before was that harvest is their only melee skill but it sucks

Since the nodes for scaling its damage suck

Even though reaper form is busted

[novel wharf]

this looks broken for those playing in MG

[gentle marlin]

I'm going Beastmaster with the Tyranossaur helmet

Because

Dinos

[indigo cosmos]

I'm logging into d4

[gentle marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/city-of-god-cidade-de-deus-kid-shoot-shut-up-gif-19278632

[novel wharf]

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/last-epoch-beneath-ancient-skies-patch-notes/78635

might go flicker lich

[gentle marlin]

[gentle marlin]

Any major nerfs?

[indigo cosmos]

yeah max level is now 20

goodluck with uyoru build

[gentle marlin]

[novel wharf]

falconer small nerf

vk too

[gentle marlin]

Summon Bear lookin really spicy

[indigo cosmos]

summons

druid/shaman/primalist as a whole 🔇

dogshit

rework the whoel fucking thing

[gentle marlin]

Manbear with a bear and earthquaking everywhere with auto cast thorn spikes

It's gonna be lit

🔥

[patent rampart]

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[indigo cosmos]

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fb2jpoe2js8jf1.png

[main agate]

is falconeer still op?

havent tried it, if its still giga strong prob go it

actually wait lich looking kinda nice

[gentle marlin]

Probably?

It got nerfed hard it seems

but...it was doing 4k corruption runs before, so if they toned it down, maybe it'll be a reasonable 2k corruption build

[novel wharf]

anyone played lich before? what do you use for defensives

[main agate]

last time i played lich was 3 years ago and i literally quit the game become form uptime was shit

[elfin cape]

Reaper Form and HP stacking.

They have more defensive options now, it seems. Based on what I saw on the passive tree.

Still going to be some combination of Reaper Form & Death Seal

[novel wharf]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BO6pYrEQ scaling with flay + chaos bolts. harvest is for mana generation with the unique axe

[gentle marlin]

Didn't lich get a progenitus-like defensive passive with the new patch?

[main agate]

also is the uptime on lich form still not 100%?

i hated being out of it for like third of the map

felt awful

[elfin cape]

No, it's not 100% but there's a node in Flay that will reduce the CD per hit.

[main agate]

i hate transform builds with non 100% uptime

idk never feels good

unless its insta transition back

[elfin cape]

Then don't play it.

It shouldn't have 100% uptime because it would be too good

[indigo cosmos]

Transformations are lame

Yeah let me transform into a big hairy gay bear

No thanks

[elfin cape]

Druids are very popular in D&D so yeah, a lot of people do like that fantasy. 🙃

[main agate]

i mean just balance it so it isnt that op

going from giga strong to weak af feels like complete shit

also in a game where falconeer and sentinel/pala are a thing

calling lich too good?

idk

[elfin cape]

Things being broken last patch doesn't mean everything should be on that level. Both of what you mentioned were nerfed in the patch notes. Although I expect Falconer to still be very strong.

[novel wharf]

yea I realized reaper form is not 100% uptime even with the flay node so I reworked the build to not have it. also removed this passive since it seems like a bait for ward https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BEpxz4XQ

[elfin cape]

This passive is very good, but not if you intend to be pure ward. Not sure if hybrid life/ward wants it but I will be taking it on my build.

Also, not using Reaper Form just because it's not 100% uptime is a poor decision. It's a pretty strong safety net, especially on HC.

[novel wharf]

idk yet how the passive will work with this unique with the "max health applied as a ward limit" but ill probably test having corrupted form + unique if the unique will have priority then corrupted form might be good

[elfin cape]

I would not use corrupted form with anything that drains health, and like I said earlier, not on a pure ward build either. That body armor seems tailored for pure ward.

Like you'd essentially be taking pts of Corrupted Form for more health only, however, that's counterproductive because the 2 point bonus hard caps your max ward at 50% of your maximum health. Even if the body armor's 4th line applied on top of Corrupted Form's ward cap, it would still be bad to use both.

You'd be better off using that armor without corrupted form, because it'd be stronger.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1mssfre/corrupted_form_new_passive_node_cap_your_ward_at/

[main agate]

are the non transform lich builds any good?

[indigo cosmos]

Lich as a whole wasn't good because it was part of the initial release of classes

[elfin cape]

There's just no real reason to not use it. It's literally a 2nd life.

Well, let me correct that. There's no reason to not take it if you're not a ward build

[main agate]

yeah i guess

[novel wharf]

@elfin cape do you have a planner for your build?

[elfin cape]

Not currently. Actually, I can do that right now before I return from my lunch break.

Just going to be cold-conversion Flay.

[novel wharf]

Are you also mana stacking chaos bolt or just focusing on flay?

[elfin cape]

This isn't going to be a hybrid-damage build. It's just going to be pure flay.

[elfin cape]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B4yWKvlo - still a significant work in progress (couldn't decide on a 5th skill) but this is a rough draft of a pure melee flay.

If I can get a seed of ekkidrasil from abby, I might shift to a mana stacker

But that's a very strong might.

[novel wharf]

can try going for this boots and have the 5th skill be rip blood

[elfin cape]

I like those boots but I don't like that rip blood has no cold conversion.

[flint zephyr]

torn between runemaster lightning blast or judgement paladin rn

[novel wharf]

tried judgement pala last season and it was boring runemaster is a lot more fun

[flint zephyr]

yeah PLD is just super broken really

borderline immortal heals out the ass damage go crazy

[indigo cosmos]

eh it's damage isn't good at all

it takes extremely long to kill uberroth

compared to most other classes

it just gets an absurd amount of tankiness and regen

[main agate]

anybody knows how hard falconeer actually got hit?

is it like memed just 4k corruption to 3k or actually more or less balanced now

[flint zephyr]

think ima go glacial then swap to lighting blast

runemaster

see how shit goes

[gentle marlin]

I see too much soy acolyte buids being shared here

Where's the chad Primalists enjoyers?

[indigo cosmos]

primalist is a turd

fuck outta here

[gentle marlin]

NO U

Bear Beastmaster is gonna be peak

trust

[flint zephyr]

do we know what time this shit goes live tmr?

[flint zephyr]

WANK YOU

[main agate]

So whats every1 starting

[flint zephyr]

yeah prob rune master glacial

then go lighting blast later

i was thinking on shatter strike but melee is still kinda awful

[elfin cape]

Cold Flay with summon skeletons.

[main agate]

need to decide on smth

[novel wharf]

Flay chaosbolt lich but idk how leveling will be like. Probably starting with pure flay till i get the unique axe

[indigo cosmos]

SUMMONS?

WHAT THE CRINGE

[main agate]

wait in how many hours is it

[indigo cosmos]

3?

[flint zephyr]

ya

[main agate]

aight ty

[gentle marlin]

Bear EQ

Or T-Rex with Raptors

[main agate]

guess ill just go flay lich

rest is kinda meh out of the new i see

[gentle marlin]

Primal uniques are gonna pop some cool new builds

[flint zephyr]

shits in like an hour i think ya

[main agate]

fuck it also going bear

[flint zephyr]

10 mins ya

[novel wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/lelogin-gif-3325728357820545201

[flint zephyr]

shitty client

still takes 500 years to old

shits late huh

maybe the game is bugged ima reboot steam

14g smh guess ima play in 10 mins game should update like normal games

[scarlet agate]

[flint zephyr]

ok time for lightning benis

[gloomy kernel]

Quin already died

[flint zephyr]

what he playing

is it warrior

[gloomy kernel]

Beastmaster

[flint zephyr]

good

fuck em lmao

[fluid bolt]

https://www.twitch.tv/quin69/clip/EncouragingColorfulDoveDxCat-8VFkuQIUCsjFYxpL

[flint zephyr]

stands in fire

ITS A BUG DOOD

having a dodge feels so good now

[main agate]

so far so good

liking beasmaster

[flint zephyr]

dont let quin hear that

[indigo cosmos]

Bro tried to pause the game

LMAO

logout is so fucking cringe

every game should have 30s logouts like diablo

"I'm jealous af of people who get to code all day"

man can't even kill a fucking nemsis

actual dogshit player

[flint zephyr]

love that guy lmao

[main agate]

yeah im liking the bear so far

[flint zephyr]

im going void knight for the 1 time

gonna play this sorta casually since poe is soon anyways

[gentle marlin]

[gentle marlin]

@main agate enjoying the bear?

[elfin cape]

The only thing that's annoying me right now is how long it takes to get to Flay

[main agate]

Kinda

I need to figure out how to make him follow me more

He is in perma def stance

But always a bit behind

I guess just more as/ms so he. Can run after me faster?

[elfin cape]

Did you try putting him in the other stance?

[main agate]

With offensive one he often fucks off to the side go fight his own battles

Id like to spec that thing where he leaps with you

[gentle marlin]

Yeah, that's the rough part of the build

I've been spamming the minion attack command

which kinda helps?

But I think I'll swap to raptors

Bear damage is crazy good, but it's too slow for me

[main agate]

wish u could have 2 setups

im playing that no aftershocks thing

with triple initial slam

but im not sure if its good for clear

[cursive ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

[indigo cosmos]

JUNGLE RYAN DOWN

[main agate]

1 question

this shitty build has both of these specced

isnt squall just blocking effects of beneath

cause these lagoon stacks never get triggred with it

ah nvm its for yulias path

i guess its not fully automated with warcry

but sitll that doesnt make sense

it consumes the stacks but has no effect

[elfin cape]

Tornado Druid?

[main agate]

nah just bear druid

i dont understand why does he have both specced even with yullias

u either go multistack with this

or solo stack for more duration

i dont see how this shit is benefiting from both

[elfin cape]

He who?

[main agate]

the maxroll shit

[elfin cape]

Also, build guides are suggestions, not doctrines. If something doesn't make sense, change it. I do that all the time.

[elfin cape]

🚮

[main agate]

yeah i just wanna know the logic

like i see two directly contradicting things specced

either i dont know some non intuitive tech with yullias

or its straight up garbage

[elfin cape]

Easiest explanation is that they didn't test half the shit they put up and rushed guides to generate clicks

On some extra fextralife shit

[indigo cosmos]

The maxroll guides are garbage

look at when it was last updated

but there's only like 2 worthwhile creators on there for LE

[main agate]

ok it seems it does wrk

for whatever reason even thouh its capped by 2nd talent

it counts as if it consumes allstacks

[novel wharf]

i switched to cold flay

mana stacking cb was a huge bait

[elfin cape]

As a league starter? Yeah. It's too gear dependent

I'm lvl 65 currently as cold flay. Massive damage. Basically unkillable

[novel wharf]

nah even at lvl 70-80

i was doing half the damage compared to cold flay

[elfin cape]

Being lvl 70-80 doesn't mean you have the gear.

[novel wharf]

i think army of skin is just a huge dps increase

i had 900 mana so theres no way it wasnt my gear

cb also burns your mana in 2 seconds so its kinda weird to use on boss fights

[elfin cape]

It is.

Also, burning through 900 mana to do half the dps of melee flay sounds rough

[novel wharf]

i tried cold flay with full mana gear and that unique carries hard

[elfin cape]

Time to print more

[main agate]

hm

bear is giga strong

but i want smth with decent aoe clear

thats prob raptors right?

[elfin cape]

[main agate]

btw

does your normal gear cdr apply to bears eathquake?

or only explicit minion cooldown does

[fluid bolt]

I'm doing poison flay

after learning the base dmg of poison is terrible I tried looking for something to convert so I can keep using wandering spirits

my only option is a lv81 item

[gentle marlin]

https://youtu.be/Gfm-JHwnuQM?t=205

Timestamped it

Hopefully it's what you were asking for

[main agate]

yeah i alrdy tested myself

but ty

[gentle marlin]

One day we'll get an ARPG that let's you command your minions like an RTS game as an option

[main agate]

i rerolled to lich

couldnt bear the bear

clear wasd too shite

this shit made me remember why i hate minios

[elfin cape]

Just do cold tbh

[main agate]

yeah should have insta gone flay lich

flay defacto solves all my complaints about lich reaper

by far my favorite class now

[fluid bolt]

I'm thinking of going physical once I get the Flay boots

[elfin cape]

Cold has higher damage scaling but go for it

[main agate]

yeah the poison aura converted gives a fuckton of ele pen for cold

together with survivability

hard to make up for that

[fluid bolt]

wtf

[elfin cape]

Like, this has, by far, been the easiest leveling experience

I can stream a bit

[fluid bolt]

I though cold would be worse because of the CC

[elfin cape]

No.

???

[fluid bolt]

the dmg I mean

to balance it

[elfin cape]

Nope.

Best cc, best damage.

[main agate]

everything u are using has cold convert and cold synergy