Metaphor: Refantazio

[night bane]

i hit a 73k earlier

[night sand]

might be close

[safe swallow]

o yea

[night sand]

its easy but his HP is pretty high

[safe swallow]

what does almighty scale offo f

[night bane]

physical unless it states magical almighty dmg

[night sand]

it says it on the skill or should

yeah

[safe swallow]

[night sand]

like uhh later the

royal slash skilll slays phys on it

[night bane]

yeah merchant one doesn't list any

but that's apparently phys

[night sand]

ya

[night bane]

so unless it says otherwise, which it often does tbf, i'll just assume almighty is phys

[safe swallow]

i went for magic gg

[night sand]

tbh STR is better unless u want full mage foreverything

i went like 4-1

[night bane]

ngl now that i am at basically the end, i think mag is so cooked compared to str

[night sand]

4 str 1 mag while leveling

[safe swallow]

well

[night sand]

what part of the game u at latt

[safe swallow]

i went for full agi to begin with

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1021572030119821342.webp?size=48&quality=lossless&name=omE

[night bane]

almost maxed out luck too

[night sand]

agi si so ass lol

[safe swallow]

im near the end now

[night bane]

think i'm at like 90 str/80 luck or some shit

luck fucking sucks dude, i thought i was supposed to crit

even with the crit passives i barely crit, luck's a scam

[night sand]

spec into crit in persona games is not the move lol

[safe swallow]

1 more ||dragon trial|| to go through

[night bane]

i was dedicated to luck build, i had no choice anymore

[night sand]

nice ur close to the boss then

[safe swallow]

ye

gambling with faker

[night bane]

in spoiler tags, how long is the final dungeon actually

[night sand]

faker skill is hella good

[night bane]

i'm assuming in typical jrpg fashion that shit's long as fuck

[night sand]

|| can be 5 mins or like 20 ||

depends on what u choose to do

cant say what that entails unless u want the answer

[safe swallow]

highrolling 4 turns

[night bane]

[safe swallow]

[night bane]

well i guess i'll find out tomorrow

after i get done 1shotting those scrub ass dragons :e

game's been great though

[safe swallow]

ye

[night bane]

hopefully the ending sticks the landing

[night sand]

its what your already probably thinking lol

[safe swallow]

o yea i never made use of the stacking archetype passives

do i need the same archetype or just have the passives on them as well

nvm

need same arch

but what if i used ||masked dancer and used the archetype mask||

[night sand]

no idea i never bothered with it

[shell lion]

@night sand has leveled up! (48 ➜ 49)

[night sand]

u dont need to honestly

[safe swallow]

[night bane]

bro wtf these (late game spoilers) ||dragon trials are just me oneshotting them or me getting oneshot by them lmao||

they're rly tanky too

should i be resetting if i don't get a weapon or something from them cuz i didn't get shit

nvm spoke too soon, i got something good as a non drop reward

[safe swallow]

||one of them is a dps check but yea i just made use of warlord buffs and faker gambling turn icons||

[night bane]

late game spoilers ||tbf it was only that one that was like ridiculously tanky, the other two were easy enough and the fire one got oneshot without a crit even||

[night bane]

ok i think i'm done with all the side content and can start the final dungeon now

[lunar juniper]

man the trials are

literally just Etrian odyssey late-game dragon trials

[fringe mortar]

are you using the bat

pretty much required if you don't want to oneshot everything

[compact mountain]

Do them in the proper order

You can cheese the last dragon if you're having trouble || just reflect his one shot ||

and for || the secret boss || just go full merchant and nuke it from orbit

[heavy ether]

For your ally level up stat growth, does it change based on the archetype they use or will they primarily grow their stats to their original archetype?

[fallen aspen]

based on the original archetype

[night bane]

yeah i'm using ||heismay, i still just 1shot them all though ||

[night bane]

i didn't even know there was a proper order to it, i just did them as i pleased

late game spoilers ||one of them was definitely a lot tankier and harder than the other two though, the fire dragon in particular still got 1shot with a non crit so i don't evne know what he does||

https://imgur.com/0X6YC3H

[timid gale]

https://fixvx.com/Armand_Gman/status/1850928694266880294

[compact mountain]

|| Fire dragon is supposedly to be done last, since the previous dragons reward you with fire resist gear ||

[night bane]

oh yeah, luckily that one was the easiest to me anyway

[compact mountain]

Did you do it the fun way?

[compact mountain]

banger meme, Nasty

[timid gale]

[night bane]

i'm guessing no, i did it the ||buff up and oneshot him|| way

it was fun to me though

that one was the easiest ||because i didn't need a crit to oneshot him||

idek why i spoilered that shit, that has nothing to do with spoilers

[compact mountain]

|| You can reflect his fire back to him and one shot him ||

[night bane]

that does sound pretty cool

[night sand]

yeah man i just hit charge on strohl and bam

[safe swallow]

dealt 40k weak

||mc heismay junah hulkenberg elem master trickster elem persona master elem master with warlord passives and the frontrow skill that buffs atk 2 times||

magic build saved

[night sand]

did u fight the dragons alrdy

[safe swallow]

forced weak with ||persona master||

just finished the 3rd one

omw to the last

[night sand]

u mean the 4th basically?

[safe swallow]

ye

[night sand]

u gonna finish game 2day?

[safe swallow]

going there

probably

[night sand]

u right at end this the last month

[safe swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/869194256785498172.webp?size=48&quality=lossless&name=PEPW

i wasted time levelling up courage

[night sand]

oh ur cutting close huh

i did trials like right away

then finished social links

[safe swallow]

having ||catherina maxed on social links really helped a lot on bosses||

[night sand]

oh yeah her damage is nice

i bet ppl expected her to be a pt member tho

[safe swallow]

its rng though if there are multiple enemies

[night sand]

yeah its just bosses really that matters

for like trash i had junah and MC on || prince ||

so i used whats it called that does extreme light to all foes

singles or weaker mobs just gold attack lol

[safe swallow]

on magic so cant really use it

and mainly agi

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/869194256785498172.webp?size=48&quality=lossless&name=PEPW

[night sand]

pumping that agi

honestly u do so much damage only damage stats seemed to matter in this game for me

[safe swallow]

i just wanted to dodge but realized i couldve just went with full mag or str

[night sand]

like ur build or party honestly doesnt matter

when u can charge bam dead

[safe swallow]

ye

[night sand]

i didnt check but did this game also have

whats it called?

mind focus or whatever the magic version of charge

[safe swallow]

hyper

i use it

[night sand]

ah ok

is it tied to a job or is it a synth skill

[safe swallow]

||warlock||

[sick briar]

heroes cry made the dragon fights really easy

[night sand]

and fakers forgery

[safe swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squidward-hczne-gif-20831523

[night sand]

just needed to cycle back to strohl to get his hit off

[night sand]

gj lmao

[safe swallow]

wanted to choose it first

guess it went through

thought it was fixed to opposing

[night sand]

hmm?

[safe swallow]

like choice dont matter

[night sand]

i thought u were past talking to him

and on the last dungeon

[safe swallow]

nah

[night sand]

so u can do dragons 2 months b4?

thought it was only in last month

[safe swallow]

only last month yea

[night sand]

how did u do them then

[safe swallow]

wym how

[night sand]

ur not in the last month

[safe swallow]

am i

[night sand]

well u said u just || talked to louis and chose 2 for the bad ending ||

thats not the last month

[safe swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/760882394260701259.webp?size=48&quality=lossless&name=joeshrug

idk

[night sand]

[night bane]

Final dungeon story spoilers ||there's two dungeons in the last month, louis fucks off to outer space in the first one and asks you to join him before doing so||

You can do both essentially back to back if you wait long enough

[night sand]

weirdge

[marsh crane]

||king archetype playable when|| ending spoilers

[safe swallow]

dlc

i have ended racism

[night sand]

if this game gets a golden ver idk man

thatd be so ass

just make more content

or do nothing that also works

[marsh crane]

there's barely any content in this game

it becomes so apparent when you do a regicide run

[night sand]

no sense in doing that either honestly

like wow shit hits harder and u hit less insane gameplay

i just cant sink another what 70 hours into that lol

i think ima try YS X tmr tho

gonna drop ryza 3 not really into that right now might try new 1 idk

[heavy ether]

this again

[night sand]

i never paid attention to the weather stuff

[heavy ether]

same i just go whenever it feels like the right time to travel

clearly it wasn't the right time to travel

[heavy ether]

4th Playable character spoiler

||might be my favorite character. His story is so sad and he overcomes it ||

||fiction i know but the shit he went through with losing his son always gets me||

[night sand]

yeah they were a good character

[lunar juniper]

feels nice that you can finally play a persona game where your party isnt made up of kids

it's adults with actual adult problems

[night sand]

kinda true yeah

well idk the mc and not yu narukami

looked like barely adults

can only find MC age says hes 19 on the wiki

[tulip gust]

I got the DLC items and skipped the real grind in the mines with them

Only used the money though magla potion no diffs dragon

Had to spam revival medicine from time to time

But really easy

[marsh crane]

lol I remember abusing the dlc items for tales of arise

I was so overleveled had to restart from the beginning

[tulip gust]

I didn’t know dlc items were there

Wish we could just receive the costumes without the consumables

I’m trying to be a purist

[night sand]

same unless deluxe only? i got base game and bought the persona 4 costume pack

what were these OP dlc items ?

[tulip gust]

Adventurer’s journey pack

I only used the money

But it had 30k, expensive medicine, archetype exp, revival medicine

[heavy ether]

this is from smt4

and that is from p5

[proud torrent]

no it is from ||strange journey||

[heavy ether]

but i guess you're right its originally from that

but its also in smt4 lol

[last phoenix]

I didn't know smt4 battle music is such a banger wtf

Only knew when I was checking the dlcs out

[heavy ether]

Frfr

[last phoenix]

when does merchant fell off

i just finished the 2nd town and that class feels unethical

[night bane]

once you get roughly third class archetypes

or third rank

you know what i mena

[compact mountain]

Never?

I finished the game with 3 tycoon and MC as a || prince ||

shit is wayy too strong

[night bane]

spoiler for when you unlock a specific archetype ||i count tycoon as separate because you don't get access to it until basically the end, which is kind of important context since that means you're stuck on merchant until then if you decide to stay in that class line, ||merchant itself falls off roughly when you get access to third tier archetypes because then even crit gold attacks do less dmg than normal skills from those archetypes

[night sand]

honestly not REALLY

for most things || gold rush is really good || and its just a good alternative for trash mobs u can just borrow the skill

merchant never fell off for me either until the very end almost when it didnt matter cause || then u get gold rush ||

also once ur like insanely rich u dont need to stay on the job either tbh cause thats all its really for is getting gold

[compact mountain]

[night bane]

i think we have different definitions of falling off then cuz what you're describing might as well be a fall off

merchant in the early game basically one shots every non boss with a crit

that means it falls off the second it no longer does that

that doesn't mean it's bad

something can fall off and still be good, it's just nowhere near what it was at its peak

and it starts to fall short of alternatives like third tier archetypes

[night bane]

https://fixupx.com/Genki_JPN/status/1851565491363475578

can't wait to hear this guy pop off at the game awards

[fringe mortar]

yeah agree it does a lot less dmg around when 3rd class unlocked but the game is easy enough that it doesnt matter even on hard

[compact mountain]

Holy

This is cool af

[night bane]

i have almost 0 doubt that this game will get nominated for goty at the game awards, so i rly hope they get this guy to do the song every goty awardee always gets, that'd be so sick

millions of ppl watching this guy go crazy

[night bane]

yeah i definitely struggled the most at the start and the further in the game, the easier it got

[heavy ether]

That song slaps. They did a real good job on the ost

[night sand]

this will win rpg of the year

nothing else even came out anyways

[heavy ether]

DD2 came out be we all know how much that game sucks

[fading briar]

this game is great

truly

(spoilers - click only if u have gone past hulkenberg rank 2)

did they patch the +1 luck strat?

[fading briar]

bruh i dont even remember unlocking ||faker||

and ||wizard|| too

[compact mountain]

|| you can't escape unlocking wizard, it's tied to the fairy ||

[compact mountain]

Didn't we get a FF7 remake game this year?

[night sand]

oh yeah

but metaphor doesnt have a chance at goty i mean

rebirth does

the top 2 this year rn are wuking and ff7

[compact mountain]

What else it's competing against tho?

Black Ops 6

[night sand]

black ops lol

[fading briar]

farming blessed waters rn

[compact mountain]

I got 99 of that

only to discover that I still needed the previous waters

That I barely had any left

[fading briar]

the pristine ones?

oh the graced waters?

[compact mountain]

The latest ones

I forgot their name

[night bane]

wukong has 0 chance

there's a chance it doesn't even get nominated for game of the year

[compact mountain]

💢

We'll see about that

[night bane]

[fading briar]

increased dark dmg

(heismay wep spoilers)

[fading briar]

found a really good spot to farm in ||the forsaken tower||

[safe swallow]

forsen

[fallen aspen]

forsen

[fading briar]

600 reeve per overworld kill

merchant is cray

[night bane]

yeah i had way too much money when i completed the game

couldn't rly do much with it, that's how much i was on merchant

[timid gale]

so i should just max merchant now huh

[heavy ether]

wont be able to since you will be walled by having very high courage

in order to get max connection

[timid gale]

i've been trying to get them all for more

[rotund junco]

Can some1 tell me what the golden teeth's weakness is

It has resistance to every element and slash

[heavy ether]

think its resistant to everything iirc

what i did for them is that i just ran away lmao

or you can use almighty

not about to waste my mana on some trash

[rotund junco]

Yeah all I did was snatch some gloves with steal and ran away

I wasted so much mana the first time bruh 😭

[heavy ether]

same, but thats how it is. Trial and error until you find the weakness

[rotund junco]

But there is none..

Also do you know what the "new heroic embodiment" is when u get to max bond with someone

Or is it spoiler and only for much later

[timid gale]

i imagine it's the same as maxing a bond in persona

[rotund junco]

I don't play persona so I guess I'll hopefully find out soon

[heavy ether]

there is probably another tier to their respective archetype

im not there yet so im just speculating

[fallen aspen]

Faker has a almighty dmg synthesis that is aoe and cost 0 mana

[fading briar]

im leveling up my faker rn

i also like his npc partner ||culculus||

cool guy

[night bane]

yeah

[rotund junco]

I still don't know what almighty damage means, is it just like true damage in the sense that there's nothing that has resistance to it

[fallen aspen]

I like him too, ||hate how the game doesn't explain how tf he faked his own death, he was decapited for gods sake || (Faker bond 8 spoiler)

[fallen aspen]

precisely that

[rotund junco]

My faker is almost lv20 I actually kinda like that class

[rotund junco]

Yh I forgot all about that dmg type ty

I mostly use faker for buffs/debuffs

And more turns

[night bane]

yeah almighty is just always a good option

[rotund junco]

I'm gonna make 5 fakers on my team when I do another run

[fallen aspen]

faker debuffs is pointless, there's moves that can do the same but also deal dmg at the same time

[night bane]

i didn't like faker but i loved its successor

[rotund junco]

I'm like in the 3rd city so I don't have access to late game archetypes

[fallen aspen]

u should have access to some by now, always check the synthesis of your archetypes

[rotund junco]

|| the fucking dragon Temple took me 4 hours to explore ||

I have maxed like 2 basic archetypes

[night bane]

yeah 4th main story dungeon takes forever

[rotund junco]

I have yet to use all my hero incenses though

[fallen aspen]

careful to not reach 99, it's the max consumables can have

[night bane]

yeah definitely don't sit on them too long

[rotund junco]

Oh shit ok I'll take note of that

[night bane]

[fallen aspen]

ye, there was a fight where I got 11 hero's leafs, it can max out pretty fast

[fading briar]

NOOOO ||ALONZO|| AAAAAAAAAA (NPC spoilers)

[timid gale]

https://fixvx.com/DMidorito/status/1853233845904228623

[heavy ether]

its too slow you can hear the distortion of space jam

good try though

[lost prairie]

Bought the game yesterday enjoying it so far

But I feel like this was a failed persona 6 or smth

Like the new combat system though

[lunar juniper]

it's their 35th anniversary game, it has the DNA of many of their IPs

classes with specific roles in battle from Etrian Odyssey, Weakness + extra turns from Persona etc.

[lost prairie]

The combat system is so good

I hope they just follow this formular for all their games from now on

[timid gale]

the turn system is from SMT

[last phoenix]

Etrian odyssey outfit for MC fits too well

Also I'm sure it's not just me who noticed but they really used F1 drivers names everywhere eh

[timid gale]

i saw the reddit post

[last phoenix]

Hulkenberg, stroll, alonso

And main villain is Louis

Atlus is a verstappen guy

[heavy ether]

idk how you feel this as a failed p6, this is a good new IP from atlus

[lost prairie]

ok failed might be the wrong word

[sick briar]

i like this new format of persona instead of the highschool thing for the 6th time

i still love persona 4 tho

[lost prairie]

So 40th anniversary for atlus is P6 right

[heavy ether]

I hope they don't continue the persona ip

But I bet it depends how well metaphor does

[last phoenix]

How about persona but college

[fallen aspen]

As long as they get better with balance I'm all for it

even with a modded save to play Regicide without ng+ stuff the game became quite easy after a while even without cheese stuff like ninja passive and dodge ring

[lunar juniper]

persona without teenagers = peak

[fading briar]

holy shit

i one shot ||xanth|| in one turn

[night bane]

beat his ass

[fading briar]

heismay

[night bane]

he's gonna become even more of a chad later on

[fading briar]

for the mc, did u guys put any secondary points into ag or lk?

ive been mainly putting them in ma and lk

[night bane]

yeah i put a ton of points into luck

pretty sure i ended the game capped on luck

ngl, i did not notice much lmao

[fallen aspen]

I started with a luck build but it's meh, 99 luck is like 15% crit and u're still gonna miss every status ailment proc

[night bane]

that being said, depending on what you want to do with mc, agility can be detrimental

so at least luck isn't that

[fallen aspen]

ye u don't want ur dps to start before a buffer/debuffer, so if possible try to keep the buffer/debuffer agi superior to everyone else

[fading briar]

this game is great man

[last phoenix]

I didn't know how much I wanted a fantasy smt/persona until I played this game

[lost prairie]

Not enough high school students imo /s

[night sand]

yeah theres no banger jrpgs out rn

[wicked basalt]

[heavy ether]

Basilio is a bit of a stretch

[last phoenix]

The basilio Adachi one is the most famous one

I also didn't see it tbh

[heavy ether]

Face structure

I guess their portrait has the same position too

[last phoenix]

Hmm ig

[heavy ether]

But yeah I'm pretty sure they did make this games characters with resemblances of their prior games

Mc looks like p3 Mc, gallica like hikari

Strohl p4 mc

[last phoenix]

It is an anniv game after all

[night sand]

nah bas is closer to kanji

[rotund junco]

|| are you supposed to defeat the dragon trials after facing off with Louis in the capital? Or will you not have a chance after defeating him ||

I tried fighting one and it seemed like they had so much hp

[marsh crane]

before

if you got the quest it should be doable

[night sand]

do it before

u on ur last month

anything u werent sure about or putting off do it in this time frame

[daring yacht]

All done.

[daring yacht]

||The dragons are significantly easier than Louis. If you're struggling there, you'll have problems. If you're not using the Prince Archetype with the sword that gives bonus damage against dragons, I'd suggest using that. I was able to pretty much one-shot all the dragons on NG using Royal Sword, and this was even easier on NG+||

It's also very helpful to grab Almighty Boost, Critical Trade, Arcane Unity and Short Range Boost to maximize Royal Sword damage. Front-Boost on two other characters that are not the MC will also boost the damage. ||Royal Masked Dancer with Utilitarian's Ring can also cast AoE Charge for one turn icon instead of two||

[night bane]

||that was my exact setup too eith the accessory that boosts unity skill dmg in exchange for increased mp cost||

Cuz that required less crit fishing then

[daring yacht]

Yeah, I forgot to mention that but this is also important since it's the largest multiplier iirc

I've seen as high as 38k non-crit with royal sword.

[night bane]

||from when i tested it a bit, it did roughly the same crit as the crit dmg increase, so that means it's higher cost for less rng fiddling cuz even with crit buff, crit trade and 99 luck, my critrate was ass||

||but yeah i oneshot the fire dragon for example with a noncrit||

[daring yacht]

I didn't bother using crit buff tbh. On NG+, I prioritized maxing my str & mag before getting my luck to about 80

Let me post a screenshot

[night bane]

Yeah i was alrdy dedicated to building str+luck from almost the start of ng

Too bad luck is ass

[night bane]

Looking good sir

[daring yacht]

||Destroyer Charadrius is lvl 90 when you opt to kill none of the optional bosses. 80k hp so it took 3 royal swords to kill him since none of them crit||

[night bane]

Btw i'd advise anyone to not click those pictures unless you're in october

[daring yacht]

Luck is still better than Endurance. That's actually the worst stat.

[night bane]

I assume regicide also takes less dmg, i heard you can hit the dmg cap on easy

[sick briar]

how long was 100% ng+ playthrough ive been thinking about going back and 100%ing

[night bane]

||That might need the skills that increase dmg based on how low hp is though, iirc those were the best. Juet too much of a hassle outside of showcases||

[daring yacht]

There were a lot of AFK hours because I have a tendency to fall asleep sometimes mid-gaming 😅

Accounting for that, I'd say 100% should take most people 150 hrs or less.

[sick briar]

oh thats good i actually thought it was 200hrs

[night bane]

What about just the ng+

Surely you kinda fly through it

Cuz you skip all the story and rush it

[daring yacht]

Oh, just ng+? Uh...

Probably 30 hours?

[night bane]

Yeah that's pretty doable

[daring yacht]

I know it took me well over 100 hrs on NG

Since I was taking it pretty slow

[night bane]

My steam numhers highly differ from my ig save numbers lol

But i left it on main title screen a lot

[daring yacht]

Honestly, Regicide is just P3R on merciless. Rewinding just doesn't exist in that game and crits/weakness hits will generally one-shot your party.

It's not like P5R where that works both ways and crits/weakness will one shot enemies as well

[night bane]

That kinda sounds less interesting then. I prefer when ng+ makes a game more interesting to play

[daring yacht]

There's only one boss that you literally cannot do on NG and that's the ||lvl 99 red dragon from the Book of Apocalypse. Also easy because dragon||

Otherwise, you could technically get every other achievement in just NG

[night bane]

If i were to do ng+ it'd be cuz of that as it's the only piece of content i have not done

||But yeah, spending time just to probably 1shot or 2 shot it seems kinda meh||

[daring yacht]

I enjoyed the overall game enough to where doing NG+ wasn't annoying to me

The achievements weren't super annoying either. Even the sword-surfing one you can afk with the rubberband trick if you're using a controller

[night bane]

Yeah i never rly cared about achievements, so that never incentivized me to keep playing or replay a game

And i'm just not rly the type to replay games often, especially not that soon. i can count on my hand the games i've replayed that didn't get a remaster for me to play it again

[fallen aspen]

yep, first column is player dmg dealt, second enemy dmg dealt, third enemy crits and fourth enemy hitting a weakness

[night bane]

oh it's actually not that much less dmg you deal on regicide then

wait it's actually not les dmg at all compared to hard

i was looking at the 2nd tab

so you deal the same dmg (though obviously enemies will have more hp) but you take a loooooot more dmg

[fallen aspen]

So far I didn't find any place saying enemy HP changes with difficulty so I don't think it changes

[night bane]

i believe @daring yacht mentioned how much more hp the final endboss of the game had in ng+

[daring yacht]

To be clear, you can fight ||Destroyer Charadrius in NG and NG+. I don't think he has more hp in NG+. I think he's lvl 90 with 80k in both||

[night bane]

oh ok gotcha, so hp is actually the same then

[daring yacht]

I'd have to look it up but probably

[night bane]

so basically if you can 1shot something in ng you can 1shot it in ng+

isn't that basically ||everything except for final boss and final dragon trial||?

[daring yacht]

Assuming optimal conditions, I don't think a Royal Sword crit can do more than 50k damage.

And that will one-shot most things.

[night bane]

it should

i did 60k on ||the zorba fight|| late game boss spoiler

some enemies are a lot squishier than others i've noticed

so there's definitely some squishier bosses out there you can hit 50k+ on

[daring yacht]

Damn, 60k

[night bane]

even the ||3 dragon trials|| were wildly different in how tanky they were

i hit one dragon for 12k crit

i hit another one for 26k non crit

[daring yacht]

The dragon that ||repels everything is insanely tanky||

[night bane]

idk if it repelled everything but it was called ||devourer of stars||

oh also i was wrong and checked it again, it was 18k crit

btu still wildly different

||https://i.imgur.com/2Ood3pV.jpeg||

[daring yacht]

||On NG+, it will show you weakness data of every enemy you've fought on NG. It repels everything except almighty||

[night bane]

lmao that's kinda crazy, is that the same dragon in the picture?

[daring yacht]

Yup.

[night bane]

that sounds like a lot more difficult to deal with than the other ||2 dragons|| doesn't it?

[daring yacht]

It is, lol.

[night bane]

assuming you don't 1shot it

kinda fucked up cuz you'd expect them all to be roughly the same difficulty except of course for the ||4th one||

lmao

[rotund junco]

I might be cooked bro.. it's my first time playing persona-esque game and my build is all over the place lol. I'm doing like peanut dmg to the bosses and have no MAG to spare in my last week

[daring yacht]

The dragons are optional. Worst case scenario, just skip to the final day and make sure you do the ||optional bosses to weaken the final boss||. Then try again on ng+

[rotund junco]

I think imma just go for Lois and do everything else if I do ng+

[daring yacht]

Live and learn.

[rotund junco]

Ye

I went in completely blind

[daring yacht]

I also went blind but I've played Persona games before.

This game's combat is significantly different but there's still a lot of transferrable knowledge

[rotund junco]

I spent my mag without thinking and distributed stat points however I liked lol

[compact mountain]

It's fine

Just go full support

[daring yacht]

There should always be some sort of thought process behind your decisions. This applies to every game.

Not just this one.

[rotund junco]

|| Well I went full magic and the Royal knight for mc is kinda meh for it ||

|| Now I have no MAG to get the abilities transferred lol ||

[compact mountain]

You'll be fine

[rotund junco]

Same with all the other characters 😭

[compact mountain]

Best place to farm mag is || pre-louis fight anyway ||

[daring yacht]

I also went full magic before unlocking ||Prince||. I still cleared every quest on NG

You could easily just main the archetype that learns hyper and spam magic almighty instead of phys almighty

[compact mountain]

I went full agi and still nuked everyone

[daring yacht]

This is starting to sound like a knowledge issue tbh

[rotund junco]

|| Maybe I'm doing something wrong, I'm doing like 1.5k dmg only per hit to the fire dragon with 3x atk buff and getting one shot on turn 3 ||

[compact mountain]

|| if you having trouble with that dragon just reflect his one shot back at him ||

[daring yacht]

Also, do the Colosseum. Including the 30 round gold ranked gauntlet

You'll get a good chunk of mag and exp

[daring yacht]

Per hit with what?

You need to stack atk buffs and defensive debuffs as well

Look at the tools of every archetype

Because you're clearly not doing that

[rotund junco]

Yeah I'll do this I forgot about it since in one of the leagues it requires 2 brawlers and I ain't got them

[daring yacht]

||Prince|| learns Hero's Cry for a reason. It gives you ample time to set up your one shot nuke

[rotund junco]

|| with both the MC and strohl with their synthesis attacks, the other 2 are my support characters ||

There's a lot of things i don't have let's just say that, I don't have merchant learned for almost every character but one

Faker as well

[daring yacht]

I'd strongly suggest getting Tycoon on your MC

[compact mountain]

[daring yacht]

Only one character needs to learn Faker/Trickster for debuffs

Although eventually, you'll want everyone to master that for the agility boost

More of a ng+ thing

Actually, I don't think Faker is agility. Is it luck?

Probably.

[daring yacht]

Strohl's strongest move isn't a synthesis attack. It's hassou tobi.

Also, there's an accessory that massively increases the mana cost and damage of synthesis. Royal Sword needs that.

All of these damage boosts are multipliers

If you ever played PoE, you'd know how quickly multipliers scale

And honestly, late game, ||Basilio shits on Strohl as a phys DPS||

[rotund junco]

|| I'll be honest my strohl royal archetype isn't maxed yet and I'm running out of the hero roots ||

I think my problem with my run is how I used up hero roots and mag mostly

|| I don't even have enough mag even if basilio can learn his royal archetype (which he can't cause I don't have martial artist yet) and I'm in my last week ||

That's why I said I'm prolly cooked lol

[daring yacht]

Probably. But again, it's fine if Strohl isn't maxed. Great character but ||Basilio is significantly better||

[rotund junco]

I figured yeah

It's fine I had a lot of fun in my first run

[daring yacht]

Also, to be clear, I also had mag problems once I saw the reqs for ||royal archetypes||

Everyone is going to feel that

Just got to prioritize what you want first, based on your playstyle

Personally, I think ||Royal Berserker, Royal Thief and Royal Masked Dancer are the best, by far||

That's the comp I used for every endgame boss on ng+

[rotund junco]

Yeah I'll keep that in mind for my next run

[night sand]

i never had mag issues but i spent some time grinding

out of my close to 80 hours i spent 4-5 of it grinding

[night bane]

i definitely had mag issues, especially when you want to max out more than 1 character's archetypes

[marsh crane]

I think I had close to 5mil mag

by the end of everything

[night sand]

well i had 3 grind spots in this game and i never did || the cathedral fighting the 2 bird elites / the abandonded tomb floaty head mob/skeletons around it and then the mobs in the fire dragon tower before louis||

[night bane]

does that include ng+ or just ng

[marsh crane]

ng+

I had to grind there still

[night bane]

oh yeah with the way ppl rush through it real fast you probably get a good haul again

at least for the end of ng i still had to specifically farm mag though to max out more than just the mc

which i didn't end up doing cuz i mean there wasn't too much point to it other than a slightly shinier weapon for a buffer

[fallen aspen]

Front Boost is better than short range boost, same atk increase but teamwide instead of just the user

[night bane]

iirc that one doesn't stack with the same skill, so you just have that on a different party member

[fallen aspen]

fr? oh

[daring yacht]

Not only did I mention Front Boost in a later message, but I'm pretty sure Front Boost does not apply to yourself

That's why in my later message, I said I had front boost on two characters that are not the MC

[night bane]

different passives stack, but the same one doesn't stack

supposedly, again never rly tested it out personally

[fallen aspen]

ye but it affects the user and I though it stacked

[night bane]

idk if it applies to you or not but in the scenario where another party member has it on it's irrelevant anyway

[daring yacht]

But regardless of the nuances of what does and doesn't stack, it's just important to stack all the different multipliers

That's how you'll one shot these bosses

[fallen aspen]

I played PoE I know the importance of different multipliers

[heavy ether]

does this stack with the accessory that increases attack for front row allies

[safe swallow]

theres an indicator

[fallen aspen]

they stack

[safe swallow]

theres a limit

3 is max for

buffs

[night bane]

that''s for attack buffs, front row is a bit different than an attack buff

the 3 max thing

[safe swallow]

o yea

mb

[night bane]

yeah it's passives vs actual buffs

[marsh crane]

it doesn't stack

along with a bunch of other stuff

like the slash boost gear

[fallen aspen]

These 2 stack right? only one says "significantly"

[fringe mortar]

dragons were harder than louis imo

I thought louis was a joke and I have no idea what any of his mechanics do tbh because he died so fast

if you need mag you can get the debt collection skill from merchant with mana regen items and spam that while taking no damage to get like 10k/mag fight

[fallen aspen]

And in last area ||Neuras can recover all your party members HP/MP unlimited times for free||

[marsh crane]

most likely not

you can test it

[fringe mortar]

yes adding onto this there is a tooth area on the last day that spawns big teeth that give like 40k xp and mag

the game makes sure you cannot softlock yourself on the very last day by being too weak

[daring yacht]

Those big teeth are kinda annoying, tbh

Long as you can hit at least lvl 70, no one should really have trouble beating Louis

[fringe mortar]

honestly as long as you have ||royal thief or a character with 70+ agi and the dodge acc|| u should be able to easily beat the game

that by itself is such a huge upgrade for your team cuz it just obliterates enemy turn economy

doesnt even matter if u don't do that much dmg

[daring yacht]

While that strategy is good on the enemy turn (one I utilize as well), investing in offense should be the highest priority

Otherwise, you're gonna be spending a lot of time fighting

I ain't got time for that

Which is why I build for one shots

||Heismay is always my buffer/debuffer since he always goes first. Junah also gets fairly high agility but I had to intentionally make my MC slower than her on ng+||

[night bane]

don't even need the (accessory and late game archetype spoiler) ||dodge acc, royal thief gets it as a passive, shit's so busted||

i personally also just went with a oneshot build

but i understand why oneshotting builds may be boring or unappealing to some ppl

[fringe mortar]

ya I said either

basically required if you don't want to oneshot build

[night bane]

yeah i do feel like that is a bit too important of a skill if you don't want to oneshot

i think the combat kind of falls apart a little late game with bosses ||just getting endless turns and always wiping away all debuffs||

but that's exactly why i went the oneshot route baby

[fallen aspen]

Ye, I avoided using some moves like charges and|| MC oneshot skill ||and I'm still beating everyone in 1 turn

warlord too good I guess

[night bane]

yeah that archetype is just so good

[fringe mortar]

being able to buff more than 1 rank with 1 action was a mistake

[heavy ether]

in smt there is a move just like that called luster candy

but its only one rank for all stats and it cost the exact same as dynast formation

indeed that move is giga busted

i think in general your base Mp in this game is a lot higher than in the other ips

[fringe mortar]

ya u have luster and debilitate

but it's not +2 atk in 1 move

[heavy ether]

oh fr

[heavy ether]

Strohl

giga spoilers btw

[safe swallow]

nice

[fallen aspen]

Warlock MC

[heavy ether]

Yeah, kinda went full magic and then they give the royal archetype

Like wtf this doesn't exactly syngerize with what I'm doing with mc

[fallen aspen]

Gonna tell u something that's gonna blow u mind

[heavy ether]

Yes?

[fallen aspen]

despite the description the ||Prince Royal slash and Royal Sword|| moves can scale with magic if it's higher than strength, dmg will still be considered physical

[heavy ether]

Is that so

[fallen aspen]

||https://www.reddit.com/r/MetaphorReFantazio/comments/1gn2bhr/spoiler_it_seems_certain_skills_scale_with_either/||

[safe swallow]

[heavy ether]

I'm guessing the magic version of charge doesn't work on it though?

[fallen aspen]

u have to use physical version

[heavy ether]

Ok

Yeah I'm playing this game completely blind with the exception of what I choose to read here lol

[fallen aspen]

ye, no way a player will figure that out without google, the game never gives a single cue about it

[heavy ether]

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-what-it-is-it-is-eet-eet-iz-iz-gif-17896182

[tulip gust]

I finally got around to chasing Zorba

High key getting filtered

Where my magla at

Is there some place I can buy more magla

[fading briar]

hero fruit 🏃 💨

[tulip gust]

Just learnt about triple warrior synthesis

This shit is disgusting

[fallen aspen]

[heavy ether]

||I enjoyed the game but the message here doesn't hit home. Fantasy will always be a fantasy. People are too stupid and make the same mistakes every generation. There will always be hate. People will always differentiate from each other to make themselves look down on another. Whether it be by merit, skin color, religion or w/e. Humankind honestly is just a blight to the world and cannot progress at a certain point. We are always going to regress. History and present shows this all too well. My nihilstic outlook on people might be kinda similar to Louis in a real life perspective. Not trying to be cringe but its hard to see the good in people in general. But it really do be a fantasy to be able to progress further than where we are at.||

My thoughts on the moral of the story so giga spoilers

One more thing

||heismay is so broken lmfao. Royal thief dodge ends enemy turn instantly is ridiculous. Trivialized the last couple dungeons and bosses. Unfortunately I didn't have him maxed for the dragon fights so I couldn't cheese there and did the fights normally||

[fallen aspen]

he's cheesy for sure but u can a similar effect by using warlord dynasty formation and skills that debuff enemy hit/evasion

and that will help everyone in the team instead of just him

[night bane]

||that's partly why i found the combat kind of falls apart at the end, or well probably on purpose but i just didn't like it. either you end the enemy's turn immediately, you 1shot the bosses or they often times just cleanse debuffs, use something that gives them like 6 more turns and go to town||

i did not rly like the combat in the late game all that much

[marsh crane]

he's broken until you fight the ng plus boss

hulkenberg with all the defensive traits

mogs him

[fallen aspen]

enemy having cleanse moves is good tho, it means 1 less turn for them which means less chance of killing your characters in 1 round

sometimes enemies don't even attack in the round that u forced them to cleanse

[night bane]

it's still just boring to see an enemy just spend 10 turns doing random shit though

i'm not rly about that life

[heavy ether]

I mean that part of them cleansing themselves is fine. Rujinko pretty much said it correctly by just giving the enemy one less action to fuck you up by cleansing debuffs on themselves.

[night bane]

yeah that's fair, i'm looking at it from a different perspective of debuff comps

which obviously don't work in this game

where you'd just like attack down bosses a bunch so they can't kill you anyway

but clearly the game was never meant for that

[compact mountain]

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[half quartz]

erm do igniters scale off stats

or set dmg

[heavy ether]

pretty sure they scale off your magic

[half quartz]

Thanks whatta bout this mp stealin ability can I OOM enemies?

This restart fight button too good failed steal? go agane

[heavy ether]

I've never tried ooming enemies i just use it mainly to recover MP to last through the dungeon in one day

but yeah the reset is a baby mechanic

[night sand]

MP ? dungeons?

gold attack

[marsh crane]

yeah sadly gold attack allows you ignore most of the early game mechanics

[heavy ether]

didn't abuse it so

[night sand]

ABUSE EARLY ABUSE OFTEN

[night bane]

Gold attack abusers unite

[lunar juniper]

It's fair game, every final fantasy had some weird early cheese shit that you only needed some game knowledge to access

Like that one Needle bluemage spell

[half quartz]

He knows Lagari

[heavy ether]

doubt he will ever see that line

he has yet to beat smtv

and now he chose to play league to get closer to a girl he is talking to

[half quartz]

hes past this

this is before the baby I think he killed it

I THINK

[half quartz]

wait who

[heavy ether]

idk her name

[half quartz]

oh rinrinrin

I thought originally he wanted to try w toxic but that bitch ditched as soon as the otk event happened

steppin stone Lac

stool? stone?>

[last phoenix]

yeah stone

[heavy ether]

damn lmao that what happened?

[night bane]

i knew he'd stop playing metaphor sooner rather than later but i still figured he would've gotten a bit further than his current spot

[half quartz]

Im progressin slow af too :x I liek it btu they yap so god damn much

stupid maria callin me every dungeon reeee

[half quartz]

I cri evrtim

[half quartz]

Man Hulken b swallowin anythin huh

[fading briar]

is there any exchange items that i need to keep just in case

or should i sell them all?

[marsh crane]

sell

[fading briar]

time 2 take a break

[fading briar]

bruh ||leogron|| beating my ass

[last phoenix]

||I just did Bardon's level 6 trust event where he lost the local election and it's eerily close to how people IRL would react after losing, the devs did a good job in making these reactions realistic||

[fading briar]

finally beat the birds ass

[marsh crane]

which bird?

oh

[fading briar]

the leogron boss

[marsh crane]

you just had to go on the backline

to disable its ability

[fading briar]

ye

[marsh crane]

he becomes a punching bag once everyone is in the backline

[fading briar]

should i go

https://tenor.com/view/shadow-bringers-ff14-ffxiv-warrior-of-darkness-dark-knight-gif-17931680

or

https://tenor.com/view/warrior-of-light-gif-20262474

[marsh crane]

https://tenor.com/view/warrior-of-light-gif-20262474

this way

[fading briar]

aight

[fading briar]

(Late game spoilers )

||ancient civilization||

[safe swallow]

[half quartz]

Does heismay suck early or wat

swear he dont do shit

[rotund junco]

I finished my first playthrough without him

And if I do an ng+ run I don't think I'll have him

He's really really good lategame though

[half quartz]

Ya saw some thing about him dodgin a ton of eatin extra turns

guess ill make him a dodge tank

Just got to this minotaur dungeon thought about quittin 10x now

[rotund junco]

I felt that a few times as well

There are enemies who are really annoying to deal with

[half quartz]

lol like my mages werent doin any dmg and then if I went to tanky no one could take him down 😭

[marsh crane]

yes

and late game he gets outscaled by hulkenberg

ultra late game I should say

[rotund junco]

How I didnt use hulken b either for my run but she didn't have heismays passive iirc

[marsh crane]

she has a similar one

[rotund junco]

For counter? || I don't remember it deleting all of enemy turns ||

[marsh crane]

yeah you can stack counter

with another one

[rotund junco]

I didn't know that

[marsh crane]

plus all the other passives that reduce dmg

and she will not die no matter what

vs the ng plus boss heismay is too rng

[rotund junco]

Haven't done ng+ so I can't give opinion

Is it necessary to have some kinda tank in ng+ though? I used strohl junah and bas for my current save

[marsh crane]

nah

only for the ng plus boss

if you are not cheesing it with food

[rotund junco]

Good to know, I kinda wanna play ng+ but I was too burned out already so I'm gonna put it off for a while

[half quartz]

Wanna know if I shud keep pushin or nah D:

[marsh crane]

yes

[fallen aspen]

very low STR/Magic

early on he's just good to steal stuff and to act as a buffer/debuffer

[heavy ether]

Heismay the goat

Steal and nightblade debuff

He is useful in my eyes all the way to the end

For bossing for sure

In hindsight I shoulda made him get some levels in the faker tree

[compact mountain]

He was my goat with my full agi MC

Bosses barely did anything

[fading briar]

finally teamed up with ||eupha||

her skills are pretty cool/fun

[heavy ether]

Yeah she cool

[compact mountain]

Never really used || her ||

Strohl, Heismay, Hilden from start to finish

[fallen aspen]

I finished with Berg, ||Basilio|| and ||Junah||

Strohl is mid imo, his exclusive class has 0 almighty/ignore resistances attack moves

[rotund junco]

Bas was doing like 10x more than MC for me

My strohl was hitting really hard when he crits

But that's it

I used him for commander skills

[fading briar]

im testing this out

[rotund junco]

And passive that boosts attack of allies

[rotund junco]

Exactly what I used my strohl for lol

But I had a decent crit build for him going on as well

[fading briar]

i was using strohl before as the samurai which did the main dmg

[fallen aspen]

||Junah ||was my commander, the magic oriented moves in this archetype are way better than physical ones

[rotund junco]

|| junah was my support she is my debuffer and has a synth that makes ur whole team have "charge" effect ||

[rotund junco]

|| Strohl fell off he was hitting hard only when he crit for me ||

[fallen aspen]

I avoided ||charge ||skills, combined with dynasty formation would be too much for me, I wanted to see bosses mechanics

[rotund junco]

I wasn't one shotting shit cause my MC was doodoo || only basilio did damage, MC and strohl did similar if neither of them crit ||

[fallen aspen]

Mine was hitting harder than ||Basilio||, maxed str

[heavy ether]

for strohl

||i still used him honestly. He gets close to cap strength in endgame||

||#1294097751071789118 message||

looks underwhelming especially when you get to final dungeon

[rotund junco]

Did I play a diff game than u or what

[heavy ether]

wdym?

[rotund junco]

My MC wasnt even doing a 1/3rd that damage lategame

[heavy ether]

he was fully buffed

charge

and the enemy was debuffed to hell

plus it was a human too

so giga damage

along with the merchant perk that increases almighty damage

[rotund junco]

The best debuff per turn u could do was -2 atk/def right

[heavy ether]

||from berserker yeah||

[rotund junco]

I think I did it with trickster

[heavy ether]

that works

also i used items thatt debuffed too

[night bane]

yeah that one has a -2 atk/def one

[heavy ether]

i also used the almighty stew or w/e you can cook

[rotund junco]

Nah my MC would still only do 10k with all that I swear

[heavy ether]

that gives all buffs

[fallen aspen]

I was doing that debuff +|| royal knight || def debuff

[rotund junco]

Oh I didn't use any food

[heavy ether]

wtf

[night bane]

i didn't use food either, but i was able to hit a 65k crit

[heavy ether]

i used the food whenever i could lmao

food was giga

imo

[night bane]

i don't think i hit dmg cap on hard difficulty

[fallen aspen]

I saved my food for metaphor 2

[heavy ether]

yeah i still had a bunch of food leftover

[fallen aspen]

Only made it for the quests related

[heavy ether]

as well

[night bane]

yeah i only cooked like twice for quests

[heavy ether]

not utilizing all that was offered smh

[fallen aspen]

I would if there was a need for it

[night bane]

oneshot builds alrdy oneshot basically everything

[fading briar]

question, with ||euphas|| village.. im supposed to ||put someones name on a piece of paper for a wish||, what exactly does it do?

[rotund junco]

I didn't read what any of the food does I haven't even cooked one of each for achievement

[heavy ether]

in general im a foodie and like to cook so i guess thats why i did it

[heavy ether]

not sure honestly, but whoever you hang out with determines the item you get at the end of the event

[fallen aspen]

item is the same no matter what, only difference is the name and description

[fading briar]

good to know thanks

[heavy ether]

wait really?

[fallen aspen]

so choose the character u like the most

[heavy ether]

||everyone gets the mage staff?||

[fallen aspen]

oh that one

[night bane]

yeah i think this is about the highest i hit spoilers though don't click until you're basically finished with the game

[fallen aspen]

just changes the weapon type

[night bane]

wait

[fallen aspen]

the effect is the same

[night bane]

spoilers, rly late game, don't click till game is finished

[fading briar]

is the ||wep|| top tier?

[heavy ether]

||i chose gallica cuz she the homegirl||

[half quartz]

it ok I quit

[fallen aspen]

mid, I remember everyone having better weapons equipped

[rotund junco]

Fake news

[night bane]

[heavy ether]

I was a magic build so idk if my scaling was weaker

||for prince||

[night bane]

yeah it's a phys class

[heavy ether]

according to Rujinko you could still play it with magic

[compact mountain]

It scales with both equally if datamining is to be believed

[fallen aspen]

ye

[night bane]

wait rly, i could've sword it was phys

[rotund junco]

I wish there was a skill that can buff crit rate by a lot

[night bane]

sworn*

[fallen aspen]

the royal move ones

the rest scales normally

[night bane]

bro crit rate buffs are ass

[rotund junco]

They really were lol

[night bane]

i used one and the critrate passive and i had i think like 92 luck

i don't think i even crit 50% of the time

maybe 33% if i were to just guess

[fallen aspen]

99 luck = 15% crit

[rotund junco]

[night bane]

what a shit stat

[rotund junco]

So he was pretty much spot on

[night bane]

i went luck build for this

[rotund junco]

Cuz critical trade is doubling that

[compact mountain]

I ended up with 55 luck just by pooping

[heavy ether]

dude i didn't even know about that mechanic until i tried it in the last month of the game

[night bane]

well on one hand, you didn't miss much

on the other hand, free stats

[heavy ether]

yep

[rotund junco]

I figured it out cause I always pooped and checked pantry

[fallen aspen]

ye, it gives low crit and status ailment chance is a joke

[heavy ether]

Coulda min maxed better if i know how much time you had to max out relationships

[night bane]

i loved that tbh, it was so nice as a luck build to keep getting free luck

too bad i didn't know at the time luck's pretty bad

[heavy ether]

instead of taking baths to boost stats i kept on reading books and hanging out with the team

but then i had like a whole month of nothing to do

[compact mountain]

Tbh attributes in general felt like it barely matters

[heavy ether]

[compact mountain]

[night bane]

yeah they were incredibly lenient with the time management

[heavy ether]

idk man having extra agility or endurance

is really nice to have

[night bane]

but yeah unless you royally fucked up with stat distribution, you should've been fine

[compact mountain]

Even worse, the stats didn't carry out to NG, so I just saved the itens

[rotund junco]

Wdym lenient bro it was so tight for me

[fallen aspen]

dmg stats do matter, I started the game investing in luck and when I changed to invest on str the difference was noticeable

[rotund junco]

By the time every one is max bond I had like 10 days left

[heavy ether]

i guess you didn't tryhard like me 😔

[night bane]

like if you decide after pumping 50 points in magic that you wanted to be a phys main, then maybe you kinda fucked up

[compact mountain]

Endurance I felt like it's very useless, Agi was fun af for me

[heavy ether]

I was always thinking about what to do next

carefully planning what to do next

[night bane]

i was just very companion and virtues oriented

[heavy ether]

like a fucking scientist

[compact mountain]

If the enemy was taking a turn you did something wrong anyway, so no point in endurance imo

[night bane]

trying to max both of those asap

[heavy ether]

on a casual rpg game

[rotund junco]

I literally went to the palace like 2 days before deadline lol

[night bane]

idk tons of ppl didn't do oneshot builds

[compact mountain]

I went full agi memes and was still one rounding bosses

[fading briar]

https://tenor.com/view/bills-ugh-gif-9811803164280522639

[rotund junco]

Cause it's when I finished every quest

[fallen aspen]

endurance should affect max hp imo, would make the skills that scale with HP actually useful

[night bane]

and a lot of ppl just dislike it, so i don't blame them trying to change it up a bit

[compact mountain]

[heavy ether]

well i didn't necessarily look up anything for this game and the only instances where the enemy takes a turn for me was for bosses

[night bane]

i can definitely understand why ppl would dislike completely ignoring any and all boss mechanics by oneshotting everything outside of like less than a handful of enemies lol

[rotund junco]

This is cause some bosses one shot your ass if you let them take their turn

[heavy ether]

hulkenburg

is the answer

[compact mountain]

Provoke spam

[heavy ether]

if the enemy took a turn, you better have hulkenburg

[fallen aspen]

not if u mass buff ur team and debuff the opponent

[heavy ether]

at least for the hardest difficulty

that too

but mass debuffs and full buffs on team was way later in the game

[night bane]

tbf at least a few bosses dispel your buffs and their debuffs when they get a turn

so you are kinda encouraged to just oneshot them

[fallen aspen]

not that late, general can buff everyone def by two ranks and some classes can dmg and debuff enemy atk by one rank at the same time

[rotund junco]

|| All I can say is fuck that mf Jin boss that just buffs their hit/evasion so the fight takes 10 years if you don't one shot him ||

[compact mountain]

Tell that to my past self who didn't unlock general until there was a month left

[night bane]

uuh, isn't that kinda always?

[heavy ether]

yes im aware, but im talking about 3 ranks debuffs and 3 ranks buffs like practically within 1 turn. Which is endgame lol

[night bane]

||isn't general locked till you unlock prince?|| lategame spoilers, september ish

[compact mountain]

I mean, even the basic class, I didn't level/unlock it until much later

[heavy ether]

the final one yes

but the two ranks buffs was pretty early on

[night bane]

oh yeah that's rough, i thought that class was absolutely insane

[compact mountain]

I just kept trying meme team comps

[night bane]

i just had a comp of my favourite characters + ||junah|| (5th one you unlock) lol

[heavy ether]

idk man I didn't really like using her all that much

sure she was a jack of all trades but meh

[night bane]

i just used her exclusively for charge

she was literally there to do that buff and then debuff defense

i mean i guess that's kinda how it'd always work in oneshot teams

[compact mountain]

same, kinda didn't vibe with the character aswell

[night bane]

i thought she was aight

not good, not bad, as in the character, not in combat

[heavy ether]

||human zorba was a complete joke right? Like he wasn't even a challenge||

[fallen aspen]

I liked masked dance, until I got the ||1 turn synthesis|| accessory that is

[heavy ether]

second to last dungeon spoiler

[night bane]

he was insanely squishy i felt, it's how i managed that damage lol

[heavy ether]

||maybe i felt that way because i fought himafter fighting all the dragons||

[night bane]

so did i yeah