I think it's relatively good?
#Limbus Company
lone plover
fickle surge
its okay
they're all okay
i'm just tired of the lack of creativity
its always iteration
we'll do the same slay the spire template but we'll put our own spin on it
I get why they do it because they cant afford to do otherwise
but i'm tired of it
it happens to everything indie
survivors
farming sims
factory sims
lone plover
i'm just tired of the lack of creativity
try this
its more puzzle game than roguelike tbh
lone plover
but I liked what it was doing
I think this game has potential too
a bit underbaked rn
lone plover
I played beta and my main criticism is balance is a bit wonky
and runs feel samey after a while
but overall I thought it was fun for a couple runs
rose prairie
The worst part about this collab is the fact that all the story related to the event will be removed once it was over.
In a game that was mostly known for its story 
At this point, I really hope they delay Canto 9 and make another intervallo for Ryoshu and the rest of the Sinners.
junior glacier
Canto 9 is pretty much finished while there's no work on a intervallo so that'd be a very long delay
fickle surge
no
vast dove
colab ego is pull only, its what everyone(f2p) has been waiting for
tacit rock
lone plover
The worst part about this collab is the fact that all the story related to the e...
tbh i have no expectations for the story to be good
even most of ak collab stories are bad
other than r6
rose prairie
That's because AK story went down to drain after Talulah. Shit they got so many characters that no one in AK knows what the fuck is the story even about. Eveyone talks like some renaissance writers.
lone plover
hmmm I actually think ak main story is better than limbus, but more inconsistent esp the side stories
cursive delta
can u use those boxes trade for those ego?
Even the guarantee 3* tix explicitly said "no ego"
lone plover
actually I take that back limbus has really strong parts of stories and then the rest of it is an incoherent jumble of half formed ideas
lone plover
like canto 7 is the best example of this
what happened during parts 1/2????
it feels like they had buncha half formed ideas that didn't get completed
rose prairie
Hong Lu
lone plover
don
hong lu is 8
part 3 felt a bit weak to me but overall fine
I'm pretty sure other cantos had weak pieces too but can't remember since it's been too long
lone plover
Part 3 was Dulcinea, right?
I meant hong lu for part 3
thats lei heng (fine) and the granny/league of frauds sideplot
the latter felt a bit weak to me?
canto 7 like what even happened
cursive delta
Oh right, sorry 
lone plover
introduced like 50 characters in part 1
only for them to all get deleted offscreen in part 2
what even happened in part 2 other than that
cursive delta
I think they introduced a lot of the chars because of the main book
cursive delta
It's kinda hard to keep track of everyone though....
lone plover
I mean they coulda just have not had all of them die offscreen for no reason
or ideally actually have don interact with them in any way shape or form
fickle surge
canto 7 was a dip in quality for me
but I liked part 1 and the fleshing out of the world
fickle surge
hmmm I actually think ak main story is better than limbus, but more inconsistent...
i still havent played much of arknights but do they still do obscenely long streams of text in their main stories?
generally limbus cantos flow better but I dont know enough to compare
lone plover
i still havent played much of arknights but do they still do obscenely long stre...
yes but it gets much shorter after ch 8
I generally like the philosophical ramblings so yvmv
fickle surge
I cant remember where I stopped
fickle surge
might have been midway through arc 1 then
I remember it was a more chinese themed urban area
fickle surge
i just remembered that I was starting to skim through shit
lone plover
see if any of this is familiar to you
fickle surge
yeah it was episode 5
upper snow
Am i cooked
fickle surge
i remember that character
lone plover
usually complainers are talking about ch 7-8
those are the most dense chapters story wise
fickle surge
i probably would be able to deal with it now
back then i had other priorities in gacha games
lone plover
some of the best side stories are pretty chunky so
you just kinda have to read in arknights
fickle surge
its in my backlog, i tried getting into it earlier in the year but it didnt stick
lone plover
lone plover
its in my backlog, i tried getting into it earlier in the year but it didnt stic...
and then also skip the bad side stories 
fickle surge
i'll keep it in mind but I'll probably forget by the time i start
gaming schedule is packed from here on out
lone plover
u can ask me for my opinion on story quality
cuz ak has some dogshit side stories
some of them are not just bad but complete wastes of time
fickle surge
its limbus collab > try out reverse 1999 > FFT > XIV shit > backlog
and then probably atelier if atelier fans say its good
maybe if reverse 1999 is shit I'll just switch in arknights for a few days
fickle surge
it just sucked back then because I was trying to catch up
but now I'd probably treat it differently since I dont care anymore
cinder tangle
Reverse 1999 design kinda dipped
cursive delta
R1999 design is okay tbh
I don't hate it, and I can understand why people are attracted to it
junior glacier
Xiv is absolutely not worth playing rn
junior glacier
That's because AK story went down to drain after Talulah. Shit they got so many ...
dont understand how people like act 1 more than act 2 like 50% of it is horribly written, chen sucks, and taldulah || being controlled || is so outta nowhere. act 2 is a lot more guilty of introducing and then never again using characters but its way more consistent of a story throughout
fickle surge
Xiv is absolutely not worth playing rn
i just want to see the deep dungeon stuff and the monster hunter event
one month should be enough
junior glacier
true then
considered resubing for mh event but itll always bee there so i sleep still
opaque hatch
Reverse 1999 design kinda dipped
I tried it out on launch then dropped it after a few days 
but their ost is nice 
fickle surge
i'm up to chapter 3 in r1999 now
the first two chapters were kinda ass
voice acting wise as well
not bad but it sounds off
gameplay wise chapter 3 it opens up a bit more and is fun enough if you're not reading up metas
but still kinda basic turn based
i'm going to give it to chapter 4 and if the story is still whatever and the voice acting doesnt get better then i've been baited by idiots again
lone plover
baited by gamers telling you the story is good again 
cursive delta
Limbus is my company o7
I think I did all the launched story of r1999, but the problem being, I never read any of it
I'm still clueless about the orange inside joke
dawn swift
cinder tangle
X
drowsy spruce
@lone plover 
lone plover
cursive delta
stop giving my hong lu boobs 
cursive delta
then, Ryoshu should be a man
cinder tangle
uuuh
Trying AK now hmmm
nothing is happening on AK right now
I guess Monst3r banner
cursive delta
damn, limbus is swimming in content when AK isnt doing anything?
cinder tangle
they're on their lore update I think
cursive delta
tmr is the content
tacit rock
pull read then go to sleep
tacit rock
So
how much roses
they will give out for tomorrow
for us to pulls and event stories combine?
fickle surge
you get a 14 day login event
- the 10 pulls from the shop
- whatever lunacy from the stages
tacit rock
cursive delta
One limbillion pulls
rose prairie
Is that Starsector?
junior glacier
damn, limbus is swimming in content when AK isnt doing anything?
the content is still just md
green fulcrum
I have heard just the collab gives 80 pulls including al the stuff after tomorrows update
But it was a reddit guy so take it as you like
I just wanna gamba like a madman
lime wedge
collab tmr?
fickle surge
collab tmr?
in about 12ish hours
fickle surge
maybe 13 hours
green fulcrum
7 am for me
fleet venture
I'll pull with all my currency
junior glacier
How much longer
cinder tangle
ooh
shadow ember
KETS START FUCKING PULL
fickle surge
20 pulls from event shop
fickle surge
lucky you
lone plover
im only at 140
junior glacier
and all egos gotten in 200, neat
lone plover
and all egos gotten in 200, neat
oh wait there were only 3 in banner
so which announcer is good guys
I did get 1/2 ids I don't own
fickle surge
i got
like 10 3* ids
all dupes
i'm pretty sure I got 4 liu rodyas
nothing from season 6 
kinda cute
lone plover
now play the game
lime wedge
limbusting
i'll get all the collab chars under 50 pulls
watch
frfr
steam isnt updating tf
fickle surge
restart steam
fleet venture
oh
time to pull
what the heck
i have got this id 3 times so far
no other 3* id lol
lime wedge
any winners in chat
fleet venture
there's no point in finishing the pity right
fleet venture
finished
lone plover
there's no point in finishing the pity right
you can get a announcer like me 
lime wedge
does these work the same for this collab like when it's walpurg night
shadow ember
we cant shard?
Nope
shadow ember
does these work the same for this collab like when it's walpurg night <:HmmTea:8...
Yep
drowsy spruce
Only had to pity one
fleet venture
you can get a announcer like me <:AlenciaGlad:1311427926629158962>
yeah ill probably get an announcer
lime wedge
first 10 pull not lookin gud 
fuck
60 pulls in
only 3* is tingtang honglu
oh
i thought we got like at least 2 identities
and kalstit isnt even an identity
oh well, Ok luck i guess
wait they're all egos 
cmon bruh
robust mirage
hello chat, 200 pulls for 10 000 id and only 1 ego
left storm
i gots greg but nuffin else in 110 sadge
fickle surge
hello chat, 200 pulls for 10 000 id and only 1 ego
welcome to my world
lime wedge
honestly i'm not sure i would've pulled if i knew they were all egos
are these even like giga op egos or sm
left storm
they said they were
lime wedge
yea clearly i ddint read 
shadow ember
hello chat, 200 pulls for 10 000 id and only 1 ego
I got 1 000 that I didn't get yet
Rest of them were season 1 dupes
robust mirage
I got 1 000 that I didn't get yet
I got 3 new 000
lime wedge
i got heishou gregor tho 
shadow ember
are these even like giga op egos or sm
Hong Lu's ego is really good
halcyon owl
Came in with this (26 tickets) and basically have everything with the pity at 200
Had burn out and still stuck in that one dungeon. So I've quit for about 2-3 months and rejoin for this collab
fickle surge
who the fuck is this 3 ego pulling guy
lone plover
vast dove
i got there at 250 pulls
halcyon owl
Played a bit at launch, came back at end of season 3, then took a break after recent walpurgis and had 30k saved
rose prairie
They gave one of the strongest id in the game with another broken ass ego. Holy shit I can't
junior glacier
faust and kal'tsit? thought gregor was the strongest ego from this batch
fickle surge
maybe I save up 90 pulls and get myself an announcer
tacit rock
a lot arknight players playing limbus
cursive delta
chat, imma pull
dawn spire
is this just going to be encounter design moving forwards?
make the most annoying mechanics and basically make or break aoe clashes
junior glacier
yea i gave up || once i saw theres a phase 2 ||
shadow galleon
left storm
im so fucking glad he made it in
people are going to bitch to nerf him but i beat him first try
shadow ember
people are going to bitch to nerf him but i beat him first try
He's a very snowbally boss
If you roll bad you eat shit
junior glacier
people are going to bitch to nerf him but i beat him first try
yeah i need to hurry up before the nerf
dawn spire
what a fucking joke
junior glacier
He's a very snowbally boss
thats every boss
dawn spire
0% fun fight
maybe its because its on hard, but what a lame fight
game doesnt even properly highlight the gimmick of the fight
fight gimmick spoilers ||so much fun attacking with only 3-4/7 sinners every turn so you can drop frozen stacks, so much fun because of turns where you basically do no damage to him because of his protection passive and if you ever miss a clash on tide hunt or slay the ocean say good bye to your team||
tacit rock
im so fucking glad he made it in
yeah they follow arknight story
the deep
very well
shadow ember
fight gimmick spoilers ||so much fun attacking with only 3-4/7 sinners every tur...
Yeah fuck this shit
I'm equipping fluid sac
left storm
||fucking C*rmen||
shadow ember
Actually unplayable without it
i need to go
junior glacier
I'm equipping fluid sac
i really hoped kal'tsit ego would let me drop fluid sac but its still the king
shadow ember
i really hoped kal'tsit ego would let me drop fluid sac but its still the king
OK I AM FUCKING DONE WITH THIS SHITTY BOSS
IM GOING TO FUCKING BRING OUT THE BIG GUNS NOW
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST
left storm
the boss is cool ๐
rose prairie
use burn
shadow ember
NO MORE EASY HEISHOU UNITS
dawn spire
basically anyone that says its simple just brute forced it with burn or bleed
rose prairie
Burn will melt his ass. ice never beats fire
dawn spire
its such a lame fight the intended way
left storm
rose prairie
Heishou has such rng fight against him. That speed debuff really hurt the rupture.
left storm
our lord and saviour KJH will stream the fight and beat it win rate only
dawn spire
it has nothing to do with speed imo, its just a lame structure of how they want you to do the fight
||You never attack with more than 4 sinners and let the stack drop off, the 1 coiner rolls like a 9 without getting the offense bonus off the cahrts from cold debuffs on everyone and the clash power bonus||
The reason he has a guard skill every turn
is so you can offset it so counters are able to drop stacks
its just not fun
rose prairie
I just stack burn and magic bullet
dawn spire
yes most people didnt even read the passives
and killed through burn or bleed
sanguine also works
left storm
i beat it on my Heisho team no problem
rose prairie
I refuse to read the passive until I have to
left storm
i also only failed on of the text checks
opaque hatch
i beat it on my Heisho team no problem
same, just took me a 2nd try since i threw
fickle surge
okay i beat the fight
cool fight i liked it
first try is always the most chaotic and fun
left storm
goes hard
fickle surge
||I think they reveal carmen too much these days||
anyway i'll do the final stage a bit later
fickle surge
its just not fun
idunno I found it pretty fun having to manage my sinners that way
better than it just being dumb ass clash and go battles
shadow ember
idunno I found it pretty fun having to manage my sinners that way
Fuck
This fight is no joke
dawn spire
better than it just being dumb ass clash and go battles
(I would wager most people clearing did exactly that) idk I think it was like really slowing down the pace of the fight personally, its not very interesting to hit a defense skill every other turn even when I realized why the boss was guard skilling each turn to let counters drop stacks
the only thing I would say that was interesting to come of it was planning a turn ahead to ensure you had high clashing stuff on the people that just dropped stacks but thats also partially due to the fact 1 failed clash on tide hunt or slay the ocean is basically gg
at least for my team
I really dont like how some of these fights basically hinge on you better not fucking lose this clash on this aoe, even with gimped offense level
fickle surge
I really dont like how some of these fights basically hinge on you better not fu...
i dunno I mean I'm pretty sure I missed out one or two attacks and I still was pretty good
one on the big clash and one or two on the mid level attacks
dawn spire
It basically chained me in phase 2
fickle surge
had a few that were frozen on some of the big clashes
I felt a tension in the fight which I liked
I was down to my second half of my team which i liked
I think it did pretty well
left storm
I feel like people forget we have durante
dawn spire
Durante should not be needed to clear
left storm
? Its a tool to be used
fickle surge
its not necessary
but its a good tool to have
especially on a first try of a fight
or first clear
left storm
I used chesed on the last fight and i stablized after fucking up hard
fickle surge
i superbia'd a heal ego when i fucked up a turn
dawn spire
I feel like you shouldn't NEED a Durante to win a fight
Especially if it's something that you would need to farm on
But yes it's not this stage that's the farm stage
The MD boss was really annoying for a different reason
dawn spire
I just didn't kill fast enough adding like an extra 5 turns
But yes if you expect to use Durante sure I just really wonder if that's the expected scenario
fickle surge
i mean why even have durante if you're not put in a position where you would want to use it
dawn spire
Are we really going to be using 6 different Durante at the end of puragatorio?
fickle surge
why not?
dawn spire
Are all fights going to need to be balanced around a limited time effect?
fickle surge
firstly
dawn spire
If there was no limit on it I would have no issues
fickle surge
you have this presumption that you need to use durante to clear that fight
you dont
but on a blind clear?
definitely it helps
left storm
We get 2 charges of Durante and itll probably go up to 4 or 5
fickle surge
on a second try you're already aware of whatever gimicks to mitigate
dawn spire
I agree it's basically RNG mitigation
I'm just thinking of a future where there's 10 of them
And you need to use a combination or beat the fight
Because every fight needs to have it in mind if it's a tool to be used
left storm
I dont think they will ever be that impactful
fickle surge
well what I'm saying is the fights are hard enough that you would want to consider using it
not specifically as a counter
left storm
Outside of their story fights
fickle surge
but as a good to have
instead of a win more
specifically in the context of a blind clear
if this was a farmable
i'm pretty sure you'd be changing your team or preplanning your turns even further for dps turns
well you did mention it was cheeseable anyway
dawn spire
Chesed basically neuters the Wei fight
fickle surge
it definitely helped when I was doing it
left storm
For 2 turns its not perm like durring lei
dawn spire
Yes but him not getting SP basically neuters the fight
fickle surge
this fight i think the balance was almost spot on
dawn spire
Idk I just do not feel that it is a sustainable thing if this game is really going to go all 3 books and we end up with 36+ cantos
fickle surge
i don't think you should really be looking at it that way I mean I have no evidence either way
that feels way too far in the future a lot could happen
i think you should treat this as past the half or two third mark of ruina
dawn spire
If you really take the 10 years planned though
We clearly are only in the first third
Idk maybe I'm taking PR talk too seriously, at the very least though there's going to be a durante for each Sephirot
fickle surge
you dont know how they'll structure it
it could be that way
which would suck
it could equally be a different game
or an updated version
that overhauls things
dawn spire
Regardless this is not the original point, I understand that yes it could not be the way I envision it, I could just be very pessimistic
fickle surge
i will say
dawn spire
Regardless about the fight itself I just think it just dragged out
fickle surge
i cant see new players playing this event
you unlock it at what after the prologue?
opaque hatch
just finished the dungeon, idk why that took so long might've been doing something wrong
dawn spire
If you don't burst it down under 1 shield
It's like + 8 turns
Because haha full shield
opaque hatch
If you don't burst it down under 1 shield
yeah i didn't
dawn spire
I didn't either
shadow ember
Because haha full shield
This guy is lei heng 2 unironically
Except this mechanic pisses me off
Do I have to avoid all IDs with a fucking clashable counter
I died at 2nd phase with only 100 health left
Fuckkkkkkkkkk
dawn spire
I did it with heishou but yeah it's also really annoying to keep getting the evades are just omega busted
opaque hatch
yeah evades are strong on that fight
shadow ember
Problem is that I don't have any fucking resources to get evade IDs up even after doing dailies everyday
opaque hatch
Problem is that I don't have any fucking resources to get evade IDs up even afte...
should've been mining
dawn spire
Again it's still clearable without it's just a pain
opaque hatch
test of edurance
shadow ember
Again it's still clearable without it's just a pain
I keep getting cucked though
opaque hatch
LoR prepared me for this
dawn spire
I honestly thought about restarting when I saw that it got full shield after the stagger
But then I was like fuck having to redo like 15 turns
shadow ember
I honestly thought about restarting when I saw that it got full shield after the...
I started 2nd phase with my original team at close to full health
Then I missed one coin flip for 5%
GG
Thank you
5 FUCKING PERCENT
rose prairie
I just bruce forced it with Maos
dawn spire
I wouldn't be surprised if this get a nerf like canto 8 final boss did
It's just busy work on the fucking shield
Nothing new happens
shadow ember
I just bruce forced it with Maos <:OMEGALUL:641778355737329673>
I was using Maos too
But I missed a 5% coin flip on the mass attack and it was all over from there
Also apparently hong lu's tears doesn't activate if you get frozen?
What the fuck?
Is that intended?
Unironically if the ego popped I would have won
Fix your game PM
rose prairie
Oh wait nvm. I thought you guys were talking about the dungeon boss. Which is even more bullshit
opaque hatch
Oh wait nvm. I thought you guys were talking about the dungeon boss. Which is ev...
yeah i was
shadow ember
Oh wait nvm. I thought you guys were talking about the dungeon boss. Which is ev...
Wait there's a dungeon boss? 
opaque hatch
Wait there's a dungeon boss? <:clueless:875700862029299732>
me and @dawn spire were
talking about the dungeon
opaque hatch
the knight isn't that bad tbh
dawn spire
The knight is simple you just have to suck yourself
opaque hatch
once u get the gimmick
rose prairie
Fire counter the knight, as inteneded fire beats ice.
dawn spire
Or just cheese him
dawn spire
I'm told you can also solo him
shadow ember
Fire counter the knight, as inteneded fire beats ice.
No more tickets for fire
shadow ember
I'm told you can also solo him
How the fuck
opaque hatch
that boss was fine imo
the dungeon one is the actual edurance test
unless i was doing something wrong
rose prairie
You attack once and that's it?
Here
dawn spire
I don't think I was doing it wrong either unless you woke up the sea creature in defense mode?
There's one mob you shouldn't hit and it'll just chill on counter mode the entire fight
Well until it gets hit by the boss
opaque hatch
yeah i didn't touch it
dawn spire
Otherwise it was just stack damage in the stagger phase, I think you just need to plan better and it takes 1 extra turn
Over another 8 because of the shield
Again it wouldn't surprise me if it gets the same nerf the canto 8 boss did
Because it's literally just padding, nothing new happens
dawn spire
It's the same issue it had
Where it just kept getting an enormous shield as you chipped it
opaque hatch
honestly they could just reduce the shield to nerf it
dawn spire
Maybe the choice also mattered, I took the option that made the like 30 stack debuff thing do nothing
Maybe there's a better one
opaque hatch
Maybe the choice also mattered, I took the option that made the like 30 stack de...
i took the one that disables the effect of one of the passives
i forgot ngl
rose prairie
I took hp one
dawn spire
Yeah maybe that also could've made a difference if we both took the same one and it took forever
dawn spire
Yeah I was good until like halfway into the second shield phase
opaque hatch
which is fine but the heishous were doing dmg
so it could've melted the shields faster
and killed it once the shield dropped
dawn spire
But you need to keep doing high clashes after it does the omega nuke thing and puts the thing you need to cleanse on everyone
I think the intended way is to realize your going to stagger soon
And keep some of the heaving hitting stuff for it
Because the fight is fine if it dies in 1 shield phase
It's just omega annoying to do it again
dawn spire
It like gets a ton of vuln stacks
opaque hatch
so if i had them full hp
i prob could've 1 cycled him that phase (when the shield was gone)
rose prairie
When I got to the second phase, it has like 1500 shield
dawn spire
Ye I think the intended way is to 1 cycle
Yeah we're talking about that
If you don't kill them in one shield
They get the exact same shield again
green fulcrum
this was such a lacking pulling session i feel no happiness 
rose prairie
If they use id for collab. It will get powercreep once Ryoshu canto drop.
cinder tangle
Egos are more versatile
cursive delta
If they use id for collab. It will get powercreep once Ryoshu canto drop.
correct
but then again, kaltsit's ego already got power crept
shadow ember
Just finished the collab
Honestly these fights aren't that hard if you play around their mechanic
Very cool
A lot of fucking words though compared to ruina
So it's hard to parse the relevant mechanic
cursive delta
Vro
We have to put some rules in here, no talking about new content until I finish it 
shadow ember
We have to put some rules in here, no talking about new content until I finish i...
Hop on faster
fickle surge
this was such a lacking pulling session i feel no happiness <:TrollDespair:89862...
so far I think I'm the one who pulled the most
310
fickle surge
cool.
fickle surge
anyone interesting
tacit rock
trying out limbus
fickle surge
or just randoms
rose prairie
Man imagine if they collab with Roblox
Roblox kids are even more degenerate on spending money. Thats gonna be a chaching for PM
fickle surge
well final boss was a somewhat long battle
not hard just long
well that was fun
now i just need to grind for the cosmetics
rose prairie
I think a lot of people just brute force it with Sinking Deluge. It's really op.
pale creek
no last knight don ego missed opportunity
junior glacier
It is my solemn right to never learn how the last knights frost works in any game and win anyway
junior glacier
well final boss was a somewhat long battle <:OMEGALUL:641778355737329673>
Endurance check made me really wish I ran fluid sac instead of kal'tsit
dawn spire
310
I did 400
But I'm also a what like a 6 month account at this point, just not enough egos sharded
junior glacier
https://fixupx.com/zek_poi_48W/status/1971051219067293821?t=J_NcY5o6lDL0Iy6Mj4D7...
Mods, stuff his urethra with crushed peppercorns
fickle surge
Endurance check made me really wish I ran fluid sac instead of kal'tsit
kaltsit worked out fine for me
i wasnt paying attention either i just used it whenever
actually most of the battle was just using egos
thats probably why it took so long
fickle surge
But I'm also a what like a 6 month account at this point, just not enough egos s...
i got everything unlocked to prep for this
so two egos in those pulls
oh apparently the hp for last knight in normal mode is like 500
okay i dont think they'll nerf it
just do the normal mode if you cant do it
junior glacier
kaltsit worked out fine for me
fine for me too but feel like fluid sac woulda just been better
cursive delta
Mods, stuff his urethra with crushed peppercorns
What
cursive delta
Endurance check made me really wish I ran fluid sac instead of kal'tsit
I had to agree
Fuck, why kaltsit, why?!
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junior glacier
Fuck, why kaltsit, why?!
It ain't her fault fluid sac is just too good. Kal is basically better pursuance already
Already had issues justifying running telepole in charge teams cuz of fluid sac
green fulcrum
Hong Lu's ego is really good
No, the green he ego is better, the
Kaltist he is dogshit it should have been waw with some upgrades, greg one is cool, ish one is good passive
green fulcrum
I'm equipping fluid sac
Ajajajaj kaltist he ego user
green fulcrum
This guy is lei heng 2 unironically
Mango with another retard take, this boss is not lie heng because their is 0 interactivity with the boss compared to lei heng, their is genuinely no way you interact with boss one of the passives is literally misinfo
green fulcrum
Mango with another retard take, this boss is not lie heng because their is 0 int...
I was talking about final boss
The whole event took me 8 hours but i have alot of irl distractions so probably around 5 to 6 hours of content
I just used my md 15 team for everything last knight was pretty easily brute force able if you dont get fked by rng (just turn 1 fluid and clash shield first)
The last dungeon boss is pinnacle shit design their is no interaction with the boss, its one passive that says it puts the flowe aids spreading mob in combat form either gets activated by the aoe hit buff (its rng get fked) and even if you block all hits the flower mob goes offense mode regardless
Literally misinfo passive boss, the only real interaction is killing flower aids spreader turn 2 and change ego resistance for pride and envy and the rest is brute force with dmg
All the buff options felt shit, only the 2 power buff was good (i won my first try with that buff)
The power buff also gives 2 dmg making it an even better option for the rush shield break boss design
green fulcrum
The story and music was very well done i really enjoyed it if only ak narration was good and wasnt autistic wanna be Shakespeare with word stalling
fickle surge
The last dungeon boss is pinnacle shit design their is no interaction with the b...
i've never had the flower mob go into combat form unless I let it myself. maybe you hit a bug
opal stump
The fact that both bosses had some hp bs is making me nervous for the future
First one resets his hp and the other puts 3 shields on itself
green fulcrum
i've never had the flower mob go into combat form unless I let it myself. maybe ...
I was using xi and cockclair which randomly hit flower aid spreader with aoe s3, you can't even see the aoe yargets
fickle surge
oh okay
so you're saying its because you chose to bring aoe and not because the boss fucks it up regardless
green fulcrum
Because it was the first in order every aoe was guaranteed too hit the flower aid spreader
fickle surge
thats fair
green fulcrum
so you're saying its because you chose to bring aoe and not because the boss fuc...
I dont choose to hit the flower because the retard game doesnt show me aoe targets
fickle surge
Long and tedious
i didnt really feel that way at all with the knight i thought it was a good fight
green fulcrum
The mob fights are long
fickle surge
yeah the mob fights were long
green fulcrum
Knight fight was short its just sp manipulation even without sinking
Knight was - 30 sp for 3 turns
fickle surge
First one resets his hp and the other puts 3 shields on itself
i mean whats the difference between having a 2k hp boss with a phase change halfway and a boss with 1k hp but a phase change and hp reset. i really dont get the knight hate
green fulcrum
Also making kaltist ego he was the most retarded decision can these retard devs just add a zayin option for faust stop fkin inserting it in her he slot
A general waw faust healing gift with dmg would have been nice
opal stump
If anything, this event reminded me that combat in Limbus is deeply flawed and will hit a plateau soon regarding complexity and innovation unless they make big changes
green fulcrum
Innovation = retard gacha players cant clear it
opal stump
??
green fulcrum
An avg limbus player is as good as mango which is very baf
opal stump
I cleared it
green fulcrum
green fulcrum
I cleared it
Make difficult content, low iq players complain boss get nerfed, pm is too pussy to o that
fickle surge
If anything, this event reminded me that combat in Limbus is deeply flawed and w...
i hate limbus combat as much as anyone but the knight was closer to a ruina fight. there is clear push and pull between turns and you're rotating and banking and planning when to dps and not
green fulcrum
Should be obvious with lei heng
opal stump
Since it boils down to win clash = win fight, first Bandaid solution was the introduction of red coins, now they straight up hit you with an unclashable aoe just to make the fight have any semblance of difficulty
- the debuffs from red coins
green fulcrum
I cleared it
Most in this chat are good enough to clear hard content, im talking about the avg gacha frog mihoyo folks etc
opal stump
The lion doesn't concern himself with the opinion of hoyotards
green fulcrum
The lion doesn't concern himself with the opinion of hoyotards
Well our pussy pm director does
fickle surge
you know
it feels like
theres a designated mini boss designer
and a designated final boss designer
and the mini boss designer is just better
I've had more fun fighting lei heng, wei and this knight
than I have the actual main bosses
green fulcrum
Ah yes you enjoyed against wei mr snowball fight
The knight is another snowball fight but has a bit of interaction with sanity and freeze mechanic
fickle surge
a bit of interaction = complete and total interaction in limbus
so yeah I enjoyed the knight
green fulcrum
I mean yeah knight was fun last boss fight was a slog
fickle surge
wei was tough and snowballey and I still won
lost a lot too but I won and it was fun
but if I ahd to rate the three it'd be lei heng > knight > wei
opal stump
Biggest mistake a limbus player could make
tidal girderBOT
@opal stump has leveled up! (8 โ 9)
opal stump
Is play Ruina
green fulcrum
fickle surge
these fights would be a lot better if they were ported to ruina
figuring out deck builds to deal with mechanics is way more fun
green fulcrum
I just stopped bothering with the gameplay aspect i play this game for story only and it doesnt disappoint in that regard
fickle surge
I just stopped bothering with the gameplay aspect i play this game for story onl...
says the md 15 guy
opal stump
I disagree
I have yet to see limbus come even close to the level of storytelling achieved in Ruina
imo
green fulcrum
I enjoyed collab story, it was written well enough to make me wanna check ak lore of things mentioned
fickle surge
nah I think limbus stories are better
if you're talking about storytelling then I think it would be limbus
green fulcrum
says the md 15 guy
Well i do clear all content, i like to get rewards
And the uma suffering made me wanna try limbus for a change
Even today i havent opened uma yet because i wanted to do collab first
green fulcrum
fickle surge
or roll much at all
the game was way more fun just trying to beat the campaigns for each uma
instead of obsessing over min max stats
green fulcrum
I will say uma gacha feels better
green fulcrum
My problem with uma is i could do all the math do everything correctly but get gateblock because rng doesnt want me to
I love failing 26% 24 times in a roe
fickle surge
the moment the game became like that
where you're obligated to just put your clicks in
so you can roll the dice
and you dont care about anything actually happening in the career
was when the game stopped being fun for me
lone plover
Because it was the first in order every aoe was guaranteed too hit the flower ai...
You can adjust who the aoe hits btw
Simply choose to not aoe them
green fulcrum
lone plover
It doesnโt work if thereโs too few targets btw
but aoe always prios stuff that isn't targeted
so if u dont wnat to hit them
u can put attacks on them
put the aoe on
then move the attacks off
green fulcrum
and you dont care about anything actually happening in the career
Idk about the not care part,, i have played alot of runs and seeing alot of mood down makes me go 
fickle surge
i said it that way
fickle surge
because I was too lazy to go 'well obviously you care about fishing for random card events and not getting bad rng'
lone plover
ruina is just a better game
limbus is kinda dogass cuz they had to dumb it down
but it makes everything fucking snowbally
fickle surge
used to be less snowballey on release 
lone plover
again they had to dumb it down
fickle surge
the way you had to plan actions at the start of limbus was better
fickle surge
they fucked up when they decided to change it with railway 1
and then they tried to revert in canto 4
and everyone revolted
fucking gacha players
green fulcrum
so if u dont wnat to hit them
That makes sense, but that doesn't changes the fact that boss aoe hit is random and can enable aid spreader mode even if not directly targeted
lone plover
I remember ppl thinking BL yi sang was bad when it was one of the best ids in the game
lone plover
That makes sense, but that doesn't changes the fact that boss aoe hit is random ...
oh yeah u cant control enemy aoe sadly
tacit rock
cuz ppl dont understand how 70% works
project moon just suck at explaining
lone plover
but as far as your own aoe its not rng
fickle surge
I remember ppl thinking BL yi sang was bad when it was one of the best ids in th...
it used to be that there were clear reasons you'd want one coin skills
now its just variations of multicoin bullshit
lone plover
man why do my 1 coin ids keep rolling tails they have big numbers
green fulcrum
project moon just suck at explaining
Nah its just skill issue of gacha players
tacit rock
Nah its just skill issue of gacha players
they play too much mihoyo game
lone plover
lone plover
and tbh I think the design we have now in main story with unbreakables is fine
tacit rock
worst than the pat
lone plover
but it took what
green fulcrum
They play hoyo games because their stupid
lone plover
3 years to fix something that wasn't broken?
oh and the original design was way better for md
fickle surge
i fucking despise gacha sometimes man
lone plover
cuz u would have to take dmg
fickle surge
imagine if limbus was just a live service game
lone plover
so we wouldnt have this design where they had
fickle surge
like warframe
maybe you dont grind as much i dont care how they do it
but at least they have the freedom to nerf
lone plover
to make all coins +100 power to make them "hard"
green fulcrum
The thing is even with the current shit system fight can be good if their interactions but the current dungeon boss has no interaction, their is no way to get rid of debuff by doing specific x thing
opal stump
The thing is even with the current shit system fight can be good if their intera...
There is an ego that does that
But yeah
lone plover
ya we cant manage debuffs properly
opal stump
Game is going to be debuff slop for a while
green fulcrum
There is an ego that does that
Ah yes regret cleanse exclusively locked to 1 of the 12 sinners
opal stump
Watch the next Fuild sack give an immunity to debuffs
green fulcrum
Isnt regret with 2 debuffs cleanse?
lone plover
yep
for 1/12 dudes
my game knowledge is pretty shoddy tbh so I wasn't sure if I missed something
green fulcrum
The thing with fluid sac is all it does is sustain and make games less rng
opal stump
Hey im lietrally agreeing with you, why'd you focus on that one part
green fulcrum
A boss should be designed to be hard at all 45 sanity
green fulcrum
Not by making the process of getting to 45 sanity aids else you get wei like snowball fights
dawn spire
if you make the boss hard at 45 sanity then its omega ass at 0 SP
opal stump
the consistency in early turns
They "solved" that in some fights like papa don where the first phase is literally sp and ego shard farming
lone plover
if you make the boss hard at 45 sanity then its omega ass at 0 SP
lei heng had a good balance
easy early clash
gets harder as he ramps statuses on you
and loses hp
dawn spire
the issue fundementally if limbus wants to be a "tool box" game then they really have to make more things available
lone plover
They "solved" that in some fights like papa don where the first phase is literal...
yeah the gameplay is just bad ruina
dawn spire
if the only thing you can guarentee people have are the base egos then theres not much designing things around at all
opal stump
the issue fundementally if limbus wants to be a "tool box" game then they really...
I think the combat is unsalvageable at this point, Its just gonna be debuff slop from red coins and unclashable attacks
dawn spire
the other thing
is you need to balance broken ass evades vs shitty ass guards
its so dumb that evades have not been gutted
fickle surge
the consequences of not being able to nerf
opal stump
They will release and id/ego to cleanse debuffs or give immunity at some point when money dries up
dawn spire
especially if they want to continue with red coins
opal stump
its so dumb that evades have not been gutted
They are nerfing it indirectly, strongest team rn is heisho and they cant evade
dawn spire
yeah but that doesnt change that like fights need to both be designed around red coins giving things out and at the same time people can just lel xd I evaded it all
opal stump
I agree
But unless there is a proper combat rework
Nothing will change
Doubt that will ever happen
green fulcrum
dawn spire
like sure they can stop giving units evade but I think that just compounds the issue
fickle surge
But unless there is a proper combat rework
well maybe they should finish off this book and then release a limbus company 2
dawn spire
as new players get more and more units that are "irrelevant" because they cant complete dodge and negate mechanics using evade
fickle surge
'oh looks like we can rework stuff for the sequel'
'oh yeah we'll port your gacha units'
dawn spire
I think unless you port all the money people spent they would riot
opal stump
well maybe they should finish off this book and then release a limbus company 2 ...
The irony is that Limbus was a LOT more successful they they thought it was gonna be
green fulcrum
I dont think pm will make a standalone after all that gacha profit
opal stump
They said they would
green fulcrum
They said they would
And yet they still choose the more profitable options when it comes to game balance
opal stump
Pretty sure I read that whole reason why Limbus was a gacha is so that they can farm money for their next game
It being a lot more successful that they thought means that its gonna get milked for a while
green fulcrum
With how small and busy their dev team is i doubt any standalone coming
Their always over working and still have delays on limbus
Tho i would say i could see a shit ton of resources and time being consumed by this collab from all the ip usage paper work crap to ingame models art, fights and et
If only they wouldn't waste their fkin time on that shittt constume change mechanic their stuck on
fickle surge
Pretty sure I read that whole reason why Limbus was a gacha is so that they can ...
a lot can happen over a few years
i mean i still think they're going to make a normal game
fickle surge
If only they wouldn't waste their fkin time on that shittt constume change mecha...
i don't think they are working on it
they havent talked about it at all
green fulcrum
I doubt we are getting standalone until limbus 12 canto are completed
green fulcrum
i don't think they are working on it
they said it took them more time then expected as it was more complicated
green fulcrum
Hopefully we dont get another collab or it will be alot of delays
opal stump
Do you guys really think that limbus has better storytelling that Ruina?
opal stump
Its fine if you wanna pick a single canto to compare
green fulcrum
Unless dev make a non gacha remake once all 12 cantos are completed into a full game
cursive delta
Do you guys really think that limbus has better storytelling that Ruina?
Cant beat the ancient goat
green fulcrum
Also if you played lob, you enjoyed ruina even more
opal stump
I understand tying gamplay and the gacha genre but there is no excuse for the story to be bad just because the game is a gacha
green fulcrum
Limbus doesnt get that advantage for a ruina sequel
opal stump
I really think not a single canto so far has came even close to Ruina
green fulcrum
I understand tying gamplay and the gacha genre but there is no excuse for the st...
Gacha mechanic as alot of impact, thats the profitable mihoyo formula
green fulcrum
Mihoyo story is designed to promote gacha
Genshin hsr etc
Their dogshit but the normans get hooked to it
And it makes them shit ton of money
Their non skip works to make their stories basically an ad for the gacha banners
If you ever look into those normans alot of them pull after they complete story
Even if the story is slop the normans dont have brain cells for that
opal stump
I dont see it being the case in limbus
At least not to the extent hoyo does
If that were the case , how can you explain walpurgis being the most hyped event
Its literally ids and egos from their prev games
green fulcrum
For limbus it doesnt matter as much but they still have to create a side char for potential to be an id
fickle surge
Do you guys really think that limbus has better storytelling that Ruina?
you're saying storytelling
you're not saying story
the production is higher in limbus
it has better storytelling
green fulcrum
For example lcb check up where the 2 hoeinheim sidekicks purely exist to be ids as their existence on the story wasnt necessary
Only the sinners and hoeinheim were needed
Or the mech arm dudes on warp train they fulfill no purpose on that side story other then being ids
They are somewhat obligated to have a thing in story purely for id and not plot progression
fickle surge
I understand tying gamplay and the gacha genre but there is no excuse for the st...
what about ruinas story gives you a massive hard on? roland and angela's story? the good part that comprises 25% of the story content
while the rest is just lore building for the city
which limbus does as well anyway
opal stump
the production is higher in limbus
Production is higher in limbus but production doesn't equate to telling. The pacing, presentation, delivery...
But agree that story and storytelling are different
Limbus is worse at both
imo
My favorite story From limbus is canto 4's and its presentation was butchered
opal stump
while the rest is just lore building for the city
I mean I could cite 1 example that apprears in both, look at how the Wrap train reveal was done in both games
Limbus's is a joke
fickle surge
how did you want it done
green fulcrum
I mean I could cite 1 example that apprears in both, look at how the Wrap train ...
?? This is a pretty bad comparison, the intention is verh different
opal stump
Im not really trying to change anyone's mind here, Im just surprised how I seem to be an outlier
fickle surge
yes
so i'm asking you how you want it done
were you expecting the same story twist but in limbus?
opal stump
I dont know how to answer that, All Im saying is that compared to each other, Ruina had me on the edge of my seat throughout the whole story while limbus did not deliver once (for me). I just picked that one as an example since it happened in both games
fickle surge
i really dont believe that it had you on the edge of your seat while you reading about the cannibals or the musicians
or the smoke guys
i think you just have a really fond view of ruina
I like ruina too
but I don't think its a masterclass in story all the way
i really like roland and angela's story and the twist singularities with the warp train and the index etc
green fulcrum
Im not really trying to change anyone's mind here, Im just surprised how I seem ...
Your not an outlier your mis understanding the intention, the ruina oart was done to reveal w corp technology while, limbus one is more so done to build up don canto, the warp train is more of a excuse selected for the environment rather then the mai focus
fickle surge
but I don't think that ruina is without question better than limbus' storytelling
even in the dogshit pacing of canto 4 I think the eye was done really well
opal stump
Some parts where rushed I agree, especially the whole ensemble thing, but just how you see those parts as being lackluster, I got that feeling for must of limbus
Again
not trying to change anyone's mind
This is just my oppinion
fickle surge
yeah we get that
i'm not here with a pitchfork
my opinion is that i don't think ruina's storytelling is that much better than limbus'
there are great moments in ruina thats not disputed
but I wouldn't say that limbus is by far worse, I can agree on pacing being worse specifically
fickle surge
just story?
opal stump
Yeah
fickle surge
6 or 8 for me
green fulcrum
Same for me 6 or 8
opal stump
Thats Heath and Hong lu right?
fickle surge
yup
4 i really didnt care about except for the twist, and some small parts of the end dungeon overall it was whatever at that point
5 was fine
7 was meh
opal stump
I skipped story in 8 (thought Jena was going to play it soon) so I cant say anything on it
simple imp
hong at 150 faust at 180, thank god I didn't need to go over 200
fickle surge
I skipped story in 8 (thought Jena was going to play it soon) so I cant say anyt...
scammed
he aint playing that shit
especially after finding out that he can play the event without doing that
fickle surge
that too
green fulcrum
6 for me is the best a sinner personal arc, i think heath was done really well on his canto while 8 is over all good an upgrade from 7 good world building and honglu growth
fickle surge
my conspiracy guess with jenazad is that he's been burnt so much with shitty chinese gacha stories
that he just assumed limbus is going to suck
fickle surge
well that too
junior glacier
6 for me is the best a sinner personal arc, i think heath was done really well o...
I agree with 6 being the best character arc. 8 is very quality overall but 7 has hype moments and aura and that can sometimes matter more