Wuthering Waves

[obtuse pecan]

it looks too fake

[strange helm]

yeah tit looks too sus

oops

typo

[jolly condor]

someone had issues with jinhsi disappearing?

😂

[dusty smelt]

My Jinshi is done full CR CDMG subs on each piece

@woeful nexus @raven gyro

[woeful nexus]

cool i guess

why is her attack so low

[dusty smelt]

she'll be 2k atk when she hits 90 so that's fine

[woeful nexus]

huh

[dusty smelt]

with wep lvled to 90 i guess

[woeful nexus]

i have a scuffed build and her atk on mine is 2.1k

idk how yours is low

[dusty smelt]

cuz mine rolled all cr cdmg

wont matter as long as I hit 2k atk by lv 90 with lv 90 wep

i guess now i start raising chars to 80

and stop tacet gambling for a bit

[strange helm]

no atk substats

[dapper pulsar]

2/5

echo exp

[bleak kindle]

nice

jinshi op

[covert yoke]

[bleak kindle]

wtf

why

[covert yoke]

need to much to level up

[bleak kindle]

i just poured all of 1.1 mats into her

[elder fable]

here is my jinhsi

no food

she's on 44111

missing 1 crit dmg line on jue

[covert yoke]

get 3 more

[bleak kindle]

i kinda feel she needs cc echo as 2nd 44

[elder fable]

I would if no snowkek anniversary

[dapper pulsar]

does anyone actually like fighting jue

[late prairie]

no

[dusty smelt]

ok jianxin kinda goated she block counters everything

[dapper pulsar]

thank god

its such a dogshit fight

[dusty smelt]

my c3 jianxin actually just auto parried everything

the cheesiest fight ever with jianxin

[covert yoke]

is she max leveled ?

[dusty smelt]

no she was underlvled

but her block parry cheese is broken blocks even the AOE OHKO lightning

[covert yoke]

[broken torrent]

fuck that fight and yeah she is a parry god

[unkempt cove]

first echo of the day

[woeful nexus]

garbo

trash it

[strange helm]

gimme that

[unkempt cove]

1st day doing the illusion realm

and apparently i can walk under water

[obtuse pecan]

[dusty smelt]

they never fixed my shinies

[woeful nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-arknights-theresa-absolute-cinema-absolute-sinema-arknights-absolute-cinema-gif-5725006416369647831

[elder fable]

3 cost

irrelevant

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-laughing-gif-13031147940704744720

[unkempt cove]

what

i would prefer an att% but

i got this too

[elder fable]

beyond bricked

[stiff arch]

aight my mood to wuther's finally here

time to actually do the side quests and 100% the new region

[elder fable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XXTrWKICec

I've just been doing

10mins of this vid each day

[stiff arch]

i like using this guy's doesnt have cuts so i dont have to pause as muchhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U7a8ynlgek

[covert yoke]

same

4 areas left to do

[woeful nexus]

want them to start making chars here like in pgr

[spring berry]

https://tenor.com/view/changli-jinhsi-wuthering-waves-wuwa-gif-5033038202017095032

[sand lion]

devil may cry collab with wuthering wave

we get dante and vergil banners

dante have melee and gun combo

[woeful nexus]

she had to lean back more because of her tits

[spring berry]

[unkempt cove]

my changli gif got deleted

https://tenor.com/view/changli-chang-li-wuwa-wuthering-waves-gif-7786539296886290287

[toxic osprey]

holyshit

@strange helm

[strange helm]

[toxic osprey]

I just counted again, it's my 3rd multi

[strange helm]

pag

[mystic void]

you can use that astrite website to keep track, it tracks automatically too once you used it once

[toxic osprey]

[raven gyro]

nice pulls

[strange helm]

coooking

[covert yoke]

who ur luck

[strange helm]

ur mom

[covert yoke]

ur sis

yes

[raven gyro]

if im trying to make yinlin sub dps o still need her main wep

[elder fable]

yeah

[raven gyro]

[reef matrix]

I just picked 4 debuffs and it got completed just pick all debuf on 2nd last stage with all modifier above 30% ones

Thats how i did it

[woeful nexus]

so thats the reincarnator character that was leaked

art doesnt show much tho

hopefully its not fake

[sand lion]

I heard the new gun character is either guy or girl

no one know the gender

[woeful nexus]

thats different

also new gun char isa dude

the one we dont know much about is zhenzhe or somethin

[elder fable]

I hope they are both males

so I don't have to spend in this god forsaken game

[weak lagoon]

[stiff arch]

3 hours and a half

[elder fable]

how many

primos

3k?

[stiff arch]

around that i think

damn didnt check

3k-5k

[raven gyro]

lot of pulls

mihoyo could never

[unkempt cove]

i hoarded points to get fusion stuff to 28

and there was only 1 fusion item

[covert yoke]

[stiff arch]

o

100%ing the region gave me like 2m

[jolly condor]

wtf

me pulling sword and gun at 68 and 67 pity

[stiff arch]

almost

just need to build mort more i think

can build him while farming for danjin and rover

[strange helm]

[long geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/yangyang-yang-yang-wuwa-wuthering-waves-kuro-gif-12889118016056865649

[broken torrent]

[strange helm]

[versed arrow]

Gz

[dapper pulsar]

shiny?

[north bloom]

lvl 60 calcharo 27/30

[strange helm]

grats

[dark hill]

Its kinda silly they use the stamina thing for this cause it just makes you not do the first 3 floors with a good team

[woeful nexus]

@strange helm jena takes again

[dusty smelt]

I was doing the same thing earlier

[strange helm]

[gray tendon]

I don't understand, he don't do tower, cos it's a stat check, but E7 is the same shit, in fact every gacher involves character gearing. And if he don't do tower he's technically a casual yet mocks genshin players as casuals.

[stiff arch]

yinlin carrying

[gray tendon]

If that's ezz alot of people should be able to clear abyss

Gacher games are designed with some difficulty baseline. They can't make it too hardcore or ez.

[dusty smelt]

i'll do stage 6 on each of em when i lvl everyone up

[woeful nexus]

i dont like tower existing

but I understand

because gachas always have like a dps check

[dapper pulsar]

the stamina system in tower is ass

[woeful nexus]

at endgame

[dusty smelt]

i said this before and ppl called me crazy

[strange helm]

middle tower shouldve been like Holograms

[toxic osprey]

how do ppl even clear middle tower

[woeful nexus]

Jinhsi

[dusty smelt]

swipe

[toxic osprey]

they only use the commercial banner there?

[woeful nexus]

eh

middle tower im not sure

[dusty smelt]

no jinshi just nukes it

[woeful nexus]

the buff rn works for anyone

but Jinhsi is just that overtuned

[toxic osprey]

my Jinshi 0 stamina already

[dusty smelt]

jinhsi isnt overtuned

jinhsi is perfect

bullshit content deserves bullshit solutions

[woeful nexus]

and the thing that people dont remember is

[dusty smelt]

just swipe more future jinhsi-like chars

[woeful nexus]

she already has the highest Multiplier in the game with her ult

it beats Havoc Rover

and thats not her main damage point

[dusty smelt]

i hope they continue to release more powercreeped chars

to trivialize these gimmicky dogshit fights

[elder fable]

jinhsi

juiced encore and sanhua team

mortefi and jiyan

[woeful nexus]

you can clear middle tower with a f2p jinhsi team by the way

[toxic osprey]

does that mean they used other units for right side tower?

[woeful nexus]

but your side towers can suffer

yep

[toxic osprey]

i dont even know if my current units can beat Spectro tower

[elder fable]

yeah

you can use trash comps for the 1st 3 stages

[dusty smelt]

u know the solution to that krisian?

swipe for more chars

thats wut the stamina system is for

to swipe more chars

[elder fable]

get your rover up

[toxic osprey]

kuro

[elder fable]

his mats are free

[dusty smelt]

i said it from the beginning krisian and ppl thought i was crazy

[elder fable]

dreamless echo can clear the 1st 3 stages

just need a bit of stats on rover

[woeful nexus]

yap

rover pretty good

[dusty smelt]

a yr from now we will have 3 full teams of Jinhs-like powercreep

[woeful nexus]

floor 4 is the biggest issue tho

you need the fat dps there

but personally I just dont bother witht he middle tower

im just at 21 stars

[dusty smelt]

im at 23

[woeful nexus]

kinda want encore

for 1 more dps

[dusty smelt]

u know wut to do

💳

for encore

[woeful nexus]

nah

im f2p in all my gachas

[toxic osprey]

[woeful nexus]

and wuwa isnt going to be the one that breaks it for me

unless they release skins

[strange helm]

lol

[woeful nexus]

oh no

fob is raiding jena

[gray tendon]

Wuwa guy

[dusty smelt]

bad takes guy

[gray tendon]

I would expect meta following players to be able to clear tower by a year. Although I don't play this game.

[woeful nexus]

people already clear it

f2p can legit clear the tower

when they have enough teams built

its just so time consuming

why bother

[formal walrus]

pain...

[gray tendon]

Good to hear

[dusty smelt]

so tldr not yet

becuz f2ps just legit lack units to clear tower fully atm so is nigh impossible

unless they also got giga lucky with gearing as well as luck sacking a ton of chars

on top of raising every single char to 80 and their weps

[woeful nexus]

eh

mostly the gear thing

[dusty smelt]

no not just mostly gear, mostly chars too

[woeful nexus]

theres people who clear it with legit havoc rover + danjin

idk how

but they do

[dusty smelt]

cuz they prob got lucky with gear

which as we know the average f2p

is not doing

[woeful nexus]

yea

i mean like I said

[dusty smelt]

we not talking about the outlier of the 0.1% geting lucky as f2p

[woeful nexus]

people wont bother with this even if they can

[dusty smelt]

so its literally nigh impossible atm

for f2ps full clear

[woeful nexus]

unless its literally

[dusty smelt]

all 3 towers

[woeful nexus]

someone wanting to just grind every single asterite

[dusty smelt]

we not counting the giga luckysacks

until its feasible for the average f2ps to do so, ye is just nigh impossible atm for them to clear towers

in a yr from now maybe

[gray tendon]

Hyper focus andMax refresh or lucky

[dusty smelt]

maybe even 6 months

[woeful nexus]

mostly lucky

[dusty smelt]

like imagine if genshin had stamina system mint, u know how long it woulda taken ppl to clear abyss in early days? Its like that

mostly is gonna be hard for f2p due to lack of char quantity

[gray tendon]

Explain what's this stamina system..

It's not TB power or resin right? Some tower shit

[woeful nexus]

its a tower mechanic

[dusty smelt]

u can only use each char a set amount of times and every time u clear a floor u lose a set amount of char stamina

so u cant use them again

[woeful nexus]

when you usre a character, you use up stamina

[dusty smelt]

say u use up all their stamina for 3 floors

[woeful nexus]

each char has their own

[dusty smelt]

that char is now locked out

on the next floor

and u can not reuse that char

that is the tower stamina system no is not resin

the tower stamina system essentially incentavizes ppl to pull for more chars tldr

[gray tendon]

Oh. They want you to build multiple characters

[dusty smelt]

mhm

yes

thats why i said

currently

it is impossible

for f2ps to full clear tower

becuz they literally lack the chars to do so

imagine if u could only use say ur furina for 2-3 floors mintmaxer

and then shes locked out

on the next floor

gg

[dapper pulsar]

i've only cleared like 18 stars most

[woeful nexus]

that was me the past 2 towers

i only cleared 21 cus I have Jinhsi

[dusty smelt]

it will take a long while

[dapper pulsar]

the fuckall echo exp

[dusty smelt]

for f2ps

[dapper pulsar]

and stamina sytstem is mega cringe

[dusty smelt]

to even get a full clear let alone stars clears

[toxic osprey]

btw we can swap out better weapon/echo for other tower right

[dusty smelt]

f2ps cant even do full star clears at best they doing is no star clears

[woeful nexus]

yea

[dusty smelt]

yes

[toxic osprey]

fuck bp weapon

[woeful nexus]

bp weps in this game are so bait

[dapper pulsar]

the game is mega ass outside of combat

[woeful nexus]

its not like genshin where you have a lack of weps

the game throws 5* weps like its nothing

so the bp weps get powercrept super fast

[dusty smelt]

wdym lack of weps in genshin u can use shit weps

and its viable

[dapper pulsar]

isn't albedos bis a 3 star

[dusty smelt]

not anymore its a f2p event wep

[dapper pulsar]

[dusty smelt]

they released a better wep

and gave it away for free

[dapper pulsar]

but the point still stands

albedos used to be a 3 star for bis

[dusty smelt]

ye

and if u running meta dendro comps u dont even care about weps

[dapper pulsar]

the closest thing to that is fucking yuanwu

with his healer set

for 1 niche team

setup

[dusty smelt]

yuanwu is a funny dood

BiS for 1 comp

and im not even mad

anymore

funny dood helped me 1 star clear middle tower

with my jinshi comp

he gets to live

[woeful nexus]

yuanwu is literally

the only char

useful at level 1

fucking Jinhsi

[dapper pulsar]

[dusty smelt]

but ye

i complained about the stamina system in tower a long time ago

ppl tried to argue with me here saying its fine

[dapper pulsar]

bro ur the genshin shill

[dusty smelt]

now that most are reaching

half tower ready

[dapper pulsar]

wuwatards only see that

[dusty smelt]

and getting some clears

they complaining about the stamina system

[woeful nexus]

eh

[dusty smelt]

LOOK AT WUT WE GOT HERE

[woeful nexus]

i still think its fine

in terms of design its really bad for launch

[dusty smelt]

ofc but i also speak the truth becuz i've played other gachas

[dapper pulsar]

it'd be fine if i got more than 3 gold and 3 purple per tacet field

[woeful nexus]

since people dont have enough chars

[dapper pulsar]

at ul50

[woeful nexus]

but over time the system would be fine

[dusty smelt]

like i told ppl, u gonna need more chars, i told ppl this is such a bad design why did they bring it over from pgr

[woeful nexus]

[dusty smelt]

and now that MORE AND MORE ppl

are reaching semi tower rdy

[woeful nexus]

fucking hate farming tacet fields

[dusty smelt]

we gonna see more complaints

god i love being right

[dapper pulsar]

like brother

at least let me use the shitter echoes

as exp

even if they give like 100 exp

[dusty smelt]

i said that too

I also got called crazy for suggesting that too

[dapper pulsar]

or better yet

[dusty smelt]

using shit echos as exp or even reselling em for silver

[dapper pulsar]

give some tubes when we combine in the databank

[dusty smelt]

[woeful nexus]

the exp?

or the tuners

[dapper pulsar]

exp

[dusty smelt]

i've accepted the fact im the only sane one as someone who is able to be neutral in most gachas, and will await the oncoming powercreeped chars

[woeful nexus]

actually feels like we get too much tuners now

[dusty smelt]

exp is a huge problem, tuners werent that big of a deal for me tbh

even before update

[woeful nexus]

exp and the coins are the problem

[dusty smelt]

i always complained about exp

and silver

[woeful nexus]

but ive been chilling with exp

[dapper pulsar]

at ul50 every tacet field run is tuners and exp for a +10 from 0

[woeful nexus]

stopped levelling shit for now

[dapper pulsar]

it shit

[dusty smelt]

main issue becuz we lack so much exp we are locked out from using tuners i guess

[woeful nexus]

yip

its bad

legit

[dapper pulsar]

60 waveplates for that

fuck off

[woeful nexus]

could just be fixed for reducing waveplate cost

[dusty smelt]

so we never run out of tuners cuz we dont get to use em

that is such a fking funny and weird and bad design to have

[dapper pulsar]

you get more mileage out of doing forgery

[woeful nexus]

the waveplate shit is just so irritating

[dusty smelt]

we dont suffer from a lack of tuners cuz we cant even use em

what a fking bad design

[dapper pulsar]

that's gotta be a tectone take

[dusty smelt]

my complaints will do nothing, tower stamina, shit echo recycling, silver, exp

[dapper pulsar]

[woeful nexus]

tower stamina will never be changed

the echo shit prolly

[dapper pulsar]

no but

fr

[dusty smelt]

ye they want u to pull more chars

[dapper pulsar]

2 cbts and launch patch

[dusty smelt]

cant have f2ps cheesing the tower

[dapper pulsar]

and they just introduced fusing the shit tuners

[woeful nexus]

i dont know at this point

[strange helm]

f2ps already clear the tower
but yeah

[woeful nexus]

they just waiting for more complaints i guess

[strange helm]

need all build charas

[dusty smelt]

ur average f2p isnt clearing the towers maybe the few lucky ones who got rng lucky on gear sure

average f2p is hardstuck

either on gear or char quantity

[strange helm]

nah its possible but u have to really mint max

[woeful nexus]

tbh i dont think you need to be that lucky

[dusty smelt]

so the few lucky ones

[dapper pulsar]

mint maxing

[dusty smelt]

cuz average f2ps arent doing it

[strange helm]

like using yangyang on all first 3 stage

[dusty smelt]

ye average f2ps aint doing that

[woeful nexus]

the yangyang shit is crazy

[dusty smelt]

the few mentally ill ones will

the normal average f2ps will wait

[woeful nexus]

im ot raising yangyang for that shit

[dusty smelt]

leave that to the few 1%

[strange helm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z3muxV9HnQ&t=1089s

this guy

[woeful nexus]

Jianxin i can still understand

[dusty smelt]

ye we dont count the 1%

[strange helm]

also Chixia very good too

[woeful nexus]

yea

[dusty smelt]

ye the average f2ps aint doing this shit

[woeful nexus]

chixia for bosses is pretty good

[dusty smelt]

like i said before average f2ps aint doing this shit

[woeful nexus]

like I said

[strange helm]

well if ur 24 star

[woeful nexus]

average f2ps dont care about clearing shit regardless

[strange helm]

its fine

[woeful nexus]

they do like 18 star and dip

[dusty smelt]

epig u an average 2p

[woeful nexus]

even if they have the team for it

[dusty smelt]

[strange helm]

u get 600 astrites from those

[woeful nexus]

they dont want to do effort

yea

im average

i dont want to do it

[obtuse pecan]

it does possible to do all the tower with just f2p

but i dont want to waste resource on yangyang

[strange helm]

i bet Epig can do 24 star

[dusty smelt]

ye and u gotta lucksack the gear too

[obtuse pecan]

[dusty smelt]

epig show em ur gear

[woeful nexus]

my gear is ass

[dusty smelt]

[woeful nexus]

but I can prolly clear left tower

[dusty smelt]

epig how many geared charas do u have

[strange helm]

nah his gear isnt that good

[woeful nexus]

just cant be assed to do it

[strange helm]

bu he level up his skills

[woeful nexus]

legit dude

[dusty smelt]

man even I DONT HAVE GOOD GEAR and i refresh

[woeful nexus]

average f2p do not care

about clearing tower

[dusty smelt]

they rly gotta be lucksacking

them rolls

[woeful nexus]

they just take a big portion and dip

[dusty smelt]

they stealing my rolls

[woeful nexus]

its not worth the time or effort

[dusty smelt]

them top 0.1% f2ps stealing my gear rolls

smmmmmmmmmmmmmh

gonna stop refreshing

[woeful nexus]

thats the case for every gacha with endgame

most f2p dont care about them

[dusty smelt]

like dont get me wrong thats a gr8 achievement for that video ordine

but thats like

letmesoloher or ongal doing a no hit solo of elden ring dlc final boss NAKED F2p STATS AS A WRETCH

ye is possible

[strange helm]

yeah most f2p dont care

its possible but u need to min max ur resources

[dusty smelt]

the average f2p aint trying min max their shit, they'll do wut they can and dip

its a great achievement but

but the average wouldnt be the average

[strange helm]

also standard 5 star weap is needed
the sword and gun

[dusty smelt]

if they could ALL DO it

[woeful nexus]

and that still dont remove the fact that f2p can clear tower

its legit just effort

[strange helm]

i mean average wont even bother

[woeful nexus]

yep

[dusty smelt]

i would not count outliers

[strange helm]

its same in Genshit and HSR

they wont even bother to clear

[dusty smelt]

using outliers is never a good example

[woeful nexus]

thats why I dont want to consider average players in this shit

when talking to full clear

because average dont full clear

[dusty smelt]

becuz then u would have to be assed to ask the average to all pull the same thing

[strange helm]

yeah average dont full clear

[dusty smelt]

no to me i wouldnt consider outliers

[strange helm]

but its possible

[dusty smelt]

cuz no one irl

would ever use

outliers

in any example

thats like OH, SO AND SO WON THE LOTTERY

ye is possible

doesnt mean everyone is gonna now own a million bucks and a home

[woeful nexus]

you have to understand

[dusty smelt]

outliers are bad examples

[woeful nexus]

the people doing full clear is a small number as well

[dusty smelt]

theres a reason we call em "outliers"

[woeful nexus]

thats why you look at the outliers

because they're part of it

[dusty smelt]

no u dont look at the outliers, is it possible? Yes BUT.....

[woeful nexus]

most people

[dusty smelt]

its always

[woeful nexus]

do not fucking care

[dusty smelt]

the yes... BUT...

[woeful nexus]

about max clearing shit

[dusty smelt]

u gota do this and that

and that just sounds like a clause

an excuse

so is not possible if u do it normally becuz u have to a bunch of other shit

like mint maxxing

getting lucky

etc

[woeful nexus]

feels like the discussions is just going in circles

[dusty smelt]

no one wants to hear "its possible BUT..... u gotta.. so and do..."

[woeful nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/21-yatta-pgr-punishing-gray-raven-gif-12502567287501134160

[dusty smelt]

i mean it is what it is u try explaining to someone

what they gotta do to full clear tower as f2p

and they stopped listening

at the "BUT"

[woeful nexus]

well i already said my point

people who full clear are a minority

[dusty smelt]

i agree

i dont disagree with this

[woeful nexus]

and its possible for f2p to clear

[strange helm]

fact is its still possible to clear tower as f2p

[dusty smelt]

BUT

[woeful nexus]

and its fine

if it requires more effort

[dusty smelt]

u gotta be giga lucky and mint max and do all this sweaty shit

[woeful nexus]

thats the point

of f2p

[dusty smelt]

and average f2p aint doing that

[strange helm]

also if ur lvl60ul

[woeful nexus]

YES

[strange helm]

u can clear tower easily

[woeful nexus]

THATS WHY ITS MINORITY

literally

i wasnt mentioning average f2p

because they are not part of the minority that full clears

[dusty smelt]

i was from the beginning cuz there is no point to argue about outliers

[woeful nexus]

we already mentioned that average players dont full clear

so they arent part of the count

[dusty smelt]

speaking for outliers is like expecting the rest of the populace to do the same

[woeful nexus]

we are literally

focusing on a different population

[dusty smelt]

im just saying u will always have to preface the "ye f2ps can clear" but with a "but" along that remark

[woeful nexus]

the rest dont count

cus they dont do it

thats it

[dusty smelt]

and thats such bad optics

[woeful nexus]

we focus on the minority that do

[dusty smelt]

cuz it sounds like a fking scam

no epig thats not the point

i can acknowledge f2ps can clear if u do this and that and so and so sweat etc

but

it just bad optics

[elder fable]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/506642839476633601/1231311381765296158/WIDETIME2.gif

[dusty smelt]

when u put it that way

"YES F2PS CAN CLEAR, WITH CAVEATS"

[obtuse pecan]

https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/603caee4c20d020014423c13/3x.gif

[dusty smelt]

or "f2ps can clear but u gotta...."

[weak lagoon]

F2p scum

[strange helm]

[woeful nexus]

legit feels like this is going in circles

[toxic osprey]

100 times same conversation

[woeful nexus]

you dont understand my point

[dusty smelt]

it just sounds cope i know its not cope but it just sounds bad optics, every single time i hear things that have a clause to it

[strange helm]

isnt this game just out for 2 months

[woeful nexus]

i can see what you're talking about but you're ignoring my point

[strange helm]

[dusty smelt]

well thats becuz we both agree

outliers are outliers

[woeful nexus]

well theres no content rn

[dusty smelt]

no shit the convo is going in circles

[woeful nexus]

[dusty smelt]

becuz i fking agree with u already and u do too

[woeful nexus]

think of it like this

[dusty smelt]

we just repeating wut we been saying cuz theres nothing to argue

[woeful nexus]

the f2p shit that clear the tower

are outliers to the average populace

however

we arent talking about the average populace

because they dont bother to clear tower

[dusty smelt]

there is no thinking to me i know f2ps can clear but there are clauses attached to it and that just sounds like an excuse to me an excuse i acknowledge but its still cope

[woeful nexus]

that was literally my point

[dapper pulsar]

that's a shit argument

[dusty smelt]

and i agree

[woeful nexus]

[dapper pulsar]

im literally f2p and actively do tower

[dusty smelt]

with ur sentiment

[woeful nexus]

maybe it is

[dusty smelt]

like i said it just sounds fking cope

[woeful nexus]

thats just what I think about this

[dapper pulsar]

but im not mentally retarder to do yangyang for the first 3 floors

[dusty smelt]

idm epig i agree it just, it looks bad if u get wut i mean

cuz like

idk if u deal with

businessmen or scam ppl

irl

when someone try to sell u something

but theres a "but..."

at the end of their sell

u just get highly sus

[woeful nexus]

i know what that is

[dusty smelt]

thats what it looks like to me, dont get me wrong

i do agree

it just looks fking cope and bad optics

i do agree if u are one of those sweaty lucky tryhard f2ps

u can clear tower

BUT knowing what i know

is fking cope

[woeful nexus]

well whatever

[dusty smelt]

not saying u wrong i still agree

and also ye ordine is rite game is out for 2 months

wait till like

6months or a yr for average populace of f2ps to catch up

i guess

most of em aint even 60

[dapper pulsar]

devil's advocate time

[obtuse pecan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1043356611902722079/1245948870676971650/ezgif.com-animated-gif-maker_2.gif

[dapper pulsar]

i cleared the hoyo abyss equivalents in 3 months of game release

[woeful nexus]

good for you

[dapper pulsar]

for f2p

[woeful nexus]

uhuh

ok

[dusty smelt]

tbf abyss didnt have stamina system and thats gonna be the limiting factor pressure for f2ps

if wuwa didnt have stamina system

i can see f2ps cheesing tower in 3 months

[dark hill]

If anything it just says "hyperinvest in your carries"

[dusty smelt]

nah they gonna have to spread their resources in wuwa

[dapper pulsar]

cant hyperinvest in wuwa becuase there is nothing to invest with

[dusty smelt]

instead of all invest in one

[dark hill]

I mean eventually, not for the first couple floors

[woeful nexus]

the first couple floors are really just

[dusty smelt]

thats wut most ppl did for genshin, was hyper invest into one char and somehow cleared abyss in genshin as f2p

[woeful nexus]

throw whatever in there

[dark hill]

It's not a race and no one will pat your back for clearing it day 1

[dusty smelt]

here u do the opposite

u gotta spread them resources out thin

[toxic osprey]

@dusty smelt whats the rotation for Yinlin

[woeful nexus]

have to be more smart in using certain chars

[dusty smelt]

i remember my day 1 abyss clear of floor 12 lavawalkers childe

[woeful nexus]

since you're forced to run some chars solo in some floors

[dusty smelt]

uh u mean as in combos?

[woeful nexus]

what do you mean by rotation with yinlin

like solo

or with a team

[toxic osprey]

yeah after intro

[dusty smelt]

echo, E skill auto atk auto atk E skill charged atk when full meter? or echoe E skill E skill spam charged atk into charged atk when full meter

either way works

[woeful nexus]

can depend on what set you run

[dark hill]

basically the goal with Yinlin is Concerto > Outro

[woeful nexus]

if you run moonlit instead you do echo last

yea pretty much

[dusty smelt]

dafuck is a concerto

[woeful nexus]

the important part of yinlin is knowing which attacks charge her fore circuit the fastest

[dark hill]

the bar in the middle

[woeful nexus]

its the outro bar

thats not concerto

[dark hill]

or whatever the fuck its called

[woeful nexus]

that forte

[dapper pulsar]

that's forte

[dark hill]

forte

[dapper pulsar]

[dusty smelt]

dafuck is a forte

[woeful nexus]

concerto is the small circle on the left of hp

[dark hill]

The terms they use for mechanics are trash btw

[woeful nexus]

when its filled up you can do outro

[dusty smelt]

i agree

[dapper pulsar]

me in uni trying to make my essay sound eloquent but confusing the shit out of the marker

using big words

[woeful nexus]

[dusty smelt]

dafuck is an intro skill?

[woeful nexus]

thats just an issue with gachas nowadays

[strange helm]

well its kuro

they talking gibberish

[woeful nexus]

eh

[dusty smelt]

no thats just an issue with wuwa only

[strange helm]

all the time

[woeful nexus]

intro and outro are pretty self explanatory

[dusty smelt]

whats an outro?

[woeful nexus]

the rest are bad for sure

[dark hill]

ZZZ as well, I see things like anomaly, chain and whatever fucking lingo they overcooked for the 20 mechanics

[dusty smelt]

i didn touch zzz so idk

im glad swords of convallaria doesnt have word salads

[woeful nexus]

intro outro are pretty easy to remember

[dusty smelt]

no but forreal dafuck is a outro?

[bleak kindle]

??

I mean

[woeful nexus]

what

[bleak kindle]

Take a guess

[woeful nexus]

do you actually not know

[dusty smelt]

i actually dont know

[dapper pulsar]

its the big slash calcharo does when you swap out

[dusty smelt]

i just been playing on instinct

[woeful nexus]

literally

[dark hill]

when your character roster glows and you swap and get the passive buff on chars

[woeful nexus]

when you see the character bar have the effect

when you swap to them

[dusty smelt]

which bar is that?

[woeful nexus]

current char does outro

next char does intro

[dark hill]

the circular one

[dusty smelt]

can yall take a picture and show me

[woeful nexus]

the bar is the one on the left of the hp bar

[bleak kindle]

Thr concerto bar

[woeful nexus]

its the circle

[bleak kindle]

[dapper pulsar]

this circle

[dusty smelt]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOH

[dapper pulsar]

is such a dogshit indicator

[woeful nexus]

true

[dusty smelt]

is that the outro bar?

or intro bar?

[woeful nexus]

its very tiny

[dapper pulsar]

just put a normal bar above the forte

[woeful nexus]

its bot

both

[dapper pulsar]

like every other game

[bleak kindle]

Both sensei

[dusty smelt]

wdym both

[woeful nexus]

current char does outro

next char does intro

[bleak kindle]

U proc outro skill of 1 and intro of another

[woeful nexus]

thats how it works

[dark hill]

and doesnt even get better with stats. You just get a static amount and if your character has dogshit regen for an OP outro it's already over

[dusty smelt]

is it that special swap atk

u do

[woeful nexus]

yep

[bleak kindle]

Yes

[dark hill]

yes

[dusty smelt]

when u hear the char rings

and u swap

[dark hill]

yes

bingo

[bleak kindle]

Thats what gives big dmg buffs

[woeful nexus]

thats also where some chars abuse the outro buffs

like

[dapper pulsar]

the only reason why the healer yuanwu comp exists

[dark hill]

and then Calcharo does his fancypants intro

[bleak kindle]

And thats what i base your rotation around

[woeful nexus]

you know yinlin''s shit with calcharo?

[dusty smelt]

so when u ring u do a intro rite? But how do u proc outro then? I assume intro means coming in

how to outro?

[woeful nexus]

that only works when you do her outro buff

its the same

[dark hill]

Calcharo is shit, Encore better

[woeful nexus]

when you swap in

the last character you used does their outro

the next character does their intro

[dusty smelt]

what happens if their bar isnt full but u still swap cuz it rings

no outro?

[woeful nexus]

yep

[dapper pulsar]

nothing

[dusty smelt]

i c

[bleak kindle]

No intro no outro

So u losing infinite

[woeful nexus]

and they made it even more convuluted with Jinhsi

[dark hill]

Not really. Every E rotation you get a free outro.

[woeful nexus]

also on another note

[toxic osprey]

no download

[woeful nexus]

why is every character except Verina so dogshit in filling up the concerto energy

[dusty smelt]

u know what, I aint even mad, im clearing content underlvled means the mechanic is unnecessary or irrelevant or dogshit to begin with

[woeful nexus]

hooly shit

[bleak kindle]

All the biggest dmg synergy buffs are almost always on outro

[dapper pulsar]

devs are retarded

at numbers

[woeful nexus]

its literally just verina who does it good

[dark hill]

I mean, outros on holos put you in a shitty position at times

[bleak kindle]

Wdym

[dark hill]

[bleak kindle]

Mort good

[strange helm]

Mortefi is good

ye

[bleak kindle]

Yinlin good

[dark hill]

Sanhua, Morte

[strange helm]

ye Yinlin too

[woeful nexus]

sanhua?

i dont notice hers

[dark hill]

Sanhua is super fast

[dusty smelt]

ye i kinda just stopped doing em sometimes cuz u get no iframes swapping in and i just die

so i just dont do em

i kinda wish they had iframes

[bleak kindle]

They do

[woeful nexus]

they do tho?

[dusty smelt]

on intro swap

nah they dont

[woeful nexus]

intro skills have i frames

[dusty smelt]

i've gotten killed

[bleak kindle]

And huge iframes

Yes they do

[dusty smelt]

at the beginning of the intro swap animation

[woeful nexus]

some of them are just so bad afterwards

[bleak kindle]

Stop the cap

[woeful nexus]

like Verina

[dusty smelt]

no they dont i can tell for a fact they dont

[woeful nexus]

Verina is the worst one for sure

but they do

legit

[bleak kindle]

U are legit trolling

[dark hill]

Verina placing you in the air

[woeful nexus]

[dusty smelt]

i've used it to try and cheese clash and they just die

[bleak kindle]

Like actually

[dusty smelt]

i am not trolling

[strange helm]

Verina is one of the worse ye

[dusty smelt]

it was verina tho

[woeful nexus]

yea exactly

[dusty smelt]

i am speaking from experience

[woeful nexus]

shes the bad example

[bleak kindle]

Its only verina

[woeful nexus]

cus she ends at the air

[dusty smelt]

she dies as she was intro swap atking

[bleak kindle]

And its because she has ani lock

[dusty smelt]

and im like

[dark hill]

Jinhsi actually doesnt want to intro sometimes cause you start at basic attack 3 which means you can rotate quicker

[dusty smelt]

???????????????????????

[bleak kindle]

After intro

[strange helm]

Yinlin good
Mort good

[woeful nexus]

but she doesnt take damage during the attack

[bleak kindle]

I tro itself

[woeful nexus]

its only after

[bleak kindle]

Intro itself

[dusty smelt]

I DIDNT EVEN GET TO MOVE

[bleak kindle]

Has huge frames

Yes

[dusty smelt]

she just dies

[bleak kindle]

Thats what im saying

[dusty smelt]

nah man verina just dies

[woeful nexus]

you didnt even know what outrros and intros are since earlier

[dusty smelt]

i was malding over it yday

[woeful nexus]

i dont trust what you're saying rn

[dusty smelt]

so i just stopped using it

[woeful nexus]

[dusty smelt]

and cleared holo

[dark hill]

Tbh at this point the next best healer char is the must pull

[bleak kindle]

Yeah idk what. Are u arguing

[dusty smelt]

u said its the lidl swap atk thingy yes?

[bleak kindle]

U dont even know basic mechs

[dapper pulsar]

just use healer yuanwu

[bleak kindle]

How can u argue that those mechs

Have iframes

Or not

[dusty smelt]

becuz i legit die in the swap atk

[woeful nexus]

the healers in this game are so awkward to use

[bleak kindle]

Yeah cause its verina

[woeful nexus]

the only good thing about Verina is

[dusty smelt]

ik wut u guys are talking bout now

[woeful nexus]

she builds concerto super fast

[bleak kindle]

Every other char u can insta space after

[dark hill]

if she has stacks to burn*

[dusty smelt]

i swap into verina to pop an ult it does the lidl special atk swap animation but mid animation im fking ded

nah fam

[dark hill]

But yea if you have ult all you need is 2 stacks for concerto

[dusty smelt]

she aint got iframes or its bugged

[bleak kindle]

Yeah thats why bald waa molding too

She has at the start

[woeful nexus]

you prolly got hit after the attack

[bleak kindle]

But u cant cancel the actual animation

Post swap

[woeful nexus]

but yea

[dusty smelt]

must be small ass iframes

[woeful nexus]

the animation is bad

[dusty smelt]

cuz i got killed mid animation

[woeful nexus]

oh yea

[bleak kindle]

No its like 20frames

[woeful nexus]

if you didnt know

small chars have less i frames on everything

[bleak kindle]

Its huge

[woeful nexus]

[dusty smelt]

nah cuz i was using it to cheese holo and it didnt have "huge" iframes

[dusty smelt]

so is not huge then

[bleak kindle]

Again

[dusty smelt]

got it

thx

[bleak kindle]

If u dont see the difference between iframe on swap

And swap animation

Idk

[woeful nexus]

which holo were you fighting anyway

[dusty smelt]

i expect the swap atk special animation to have iframes

[woeful nexus]

in might be one with multiple hits

[bleak kindle]

It

[dusty smelt]

tempest

[bleak kindle]

Fucking

[dusty smelt]

it was tempest

[bleak kindle]

Does

[dusty smelt]

the thunder dude

[bleak kindle]

What doesnt have an iframe

Is the animstion that follows

The swap

[dusty smelt]

so is not huge is lidl got it

lidl iframe

[woeful nexus]

its a noticable one

[dusty smelt]

and even more lidl-er cuz shes small

[woeful nexus]

its just like

[dusty smelt]

is that rite

[woeful nexus]

instant

[dusty smelt]

is that rly true

she gets less cuz shes small?

[woeful nexus]

saw it from a vid

[dusty smelt]

is that how this works?

no shot rly?