Hello guys, I started tanking in Midnight pre-patch and decided to choose Prot Warrior as I was going to start raiding with my friends and no one wanted to tank, fast forward to today we are only missing L'ura HC to start progging mythic. I don't think I'm a bad player overall but I would definitely like to take some steps further in order to help my guildies the best I could, especially in terms of dps as my blood dk partner is shining a lot more in that aspect.
These are the logs from our last two raiding days: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gyXB2wpFzQ1YtjZP
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TP9aNwyKjdVgCnRL
#What can I improve
magic loom
thorn citrus
Hi, I've looked over your logs, and I'd say there's a lot you do right, but I've noticed a few points where you can do things differently for more damage.
Number one you're overcasting Revenge. This is especially hurting your damage when avatar is active. Only use it when your other damaging abilities are not available, even in aoe. On the same note, use Thunder Blast/Clap more often. During Avatar they do greatly increased damage that you are missing out on. If there's +2 targets during Avatar hit TB / TC whenever it's available, meaning every other global.
For pure ST general rotation prio is 2nd charge of TB > SS > TB > TC > Revenge
Here's a couple example screenshots of your casts during avatar windows on Vorasius and Alleria:
Note Shield Charge casts do not show on these panels because it's buggy.
You also have some minor gaps in your rotation on alleria here, one may be from taunt swapping perhaps, but keep in mind if you do 100k dps with 90% uptime you do 90k dps effectively, so always be casting.
Second thing is you need to prio Shield Block uptime. SS hits 40% harder with 20% bigger crit chance when it's up, so don't drop it whatever you do.
Small tips for doing more damage is consider Heavy Handed + Sudden Death + Deep Wounds talents on paladins or dragons if you can reliably cleave them in execute phase.
Alleria Simulacrum use wrecking throw on the shield whenever you can, you used just one cast on the kill.
If you're not taking meaningful damage / not actively tanking, consider going battle stance. Some good points could be Vorasius when you aren't soaking or Salhadaar during burn phase.
Trinket puzzle box is good if you can use it reliably, but it's very dependent on the fight and boss kill time. Alnseer's Gaze or Umbral Plume are often better options if you can get your hands on either
magic loom
Thanks a lot! I saw a lot of comparisons from other prot warriors and I always saw I had more revenge casts but was wondering how would that affect my dps but thanks for the explanation!
On Alleria I always end up tanking the opposite side of where all my friends are so should I only use wrecking throw on simulacrum when shiled is up instead of interrupting the casters casts?
Since I noticed if I interrupt them they end up coming towards me
And yeah that's a great tip on battle stance I never even thought of using it
and do you have any tips on how to maintain 100% uptime on shield block because sometimes I find myself without it and the cooldown is still not up for another charge
thorn citrus
On Alleria I always end up tanking the opposite side of where all my friends are...
My cotank is a blood DK, we have it so I start with simulacrum in center and he takes Alleria to edge. This makes it so when adds spawn he can simply grip two of them, then only third needs to be interrupted. Of course you should do what you can to group them up, but I would be surprised if your other group members can't interrupt it too. That said your group is a 10-man so you might not have the same options.
thorn citrus
and do you have any tips on how to maintain 100% uptime on shield block because ...
First get more haste as you are able. Some say 1188 before you run Into the Fray, but even then it's likely not 100% up. Use Shield Charge often (as you do), because it gives a free cast of SB too.
If you know SB will expire in a moment, and your SS in on cd, don't refresh it until SS comes back and you actually need to cast it. While this does give some downtime it ensures your SS is empowered and you buy yourself 1-2 seconds for your next SB charge to come back. obviously don't let it wear off if you risk dying by doing so.
^for example, say your SB buff has run off. You have one charge just come available. The buff is 8 seconds. The charge is ~10 seconds. If you use it right away, you know you will have 2 seconds of forced downtime 8 seconds from now. If you have to cast SS during that time, you lose damage.
So, if you have a charge available, with SS on cd, since you will be hitting TC/Revenge until it's back, you can wait with pressing SB until SS is ready. Again, this is purely for dmg, if you need SB to live please use it as needed.
magic loom
My cotank is a blood DK, we have it so I start with simulacrum in center and he ...
Oh I usually tank it on the opposite edge, should I position it more towards the center? Would that also help my teammates to interrupt those casters long away?
magic loom
^for example, say your SB buff has run off. You have one charge just come availa...
That seems pretty straightforward! I'll try to follow these tips you gave and hope to help my guildies reach mythic!
thorn citrus
Position doesn't matter, but if you have a blood dk having him grip in the adds and then using knocks / interrupts or what-have-you on the last is the easiest method. If noone is interrupting, yeah use WT on the add, doing mechanics and killing the boss > meter whoring any raid day of the week
Best of luck to you, come back if you have more questions 👍
magic loom
Thanks a lot for your help friend!
magic loom
Hey, so I raided today and I ended up only killing two bosses
I felt that I did some more dps in my avatar windows
Definitely got more thunder blasts and claps in there
thorn citrus
You went from 40k on your last belo'ren kill to 48k now. 20% damage increase, so well done! And you got orange parse on Chimaerus, you're doing good!
One thing on belo'ren - use Shield Charge more often. The fight is 4 min 27 seconds, so I would expect ~6 casts, but you only get 4 off. That means 16 seconds of lost Shield Block uptime, which would contribute to your overall SS damage (not to mention SC also hits like a truck)
A bold move to go 100% battle stance on Chimaerus, but looking at your health you didn't need defensiveness at all, it paid off.
One small thing for your opener, use puzzle box ideally before pull or, if you have to be in combat to not lose the buff, use demo + avatar + blood fury after you finish the trinket cast
Only noticed on Chimaerus, looks like you did it right on the other bosses
magic loom
Ah yeah on Chimaerus I was distracted on the countdown so I think I ended up using the puzzle box after pull
What did you think about the Avatar Windows?
magic loom
A bold move to go 100% battle stance on Chimaerus, but looking at your health yo...
Was testing my courage ahahah
magic loom
One thing on belo'ren - use Shield Charge more often. The fight is 4 min 27 seco...
Damn really messed up on that
thorn citrus
What did you think about the Avatar Windows?
Avatar uptime on Chimaerus looks good, 60% uptime is possible, but how long you can extend Avatar is a bit rng based on SS procs and whether it triggers TB. If Avatar is about to wear off and you have TB charges left, make sure to send them.
On Belo'ren I don't know that I agree with using second cast at 1:34 mark. Essentially you gained no benefit from Anger Management doing this. I understand it's holding it for the egg phase, but it's possible to get enough cdr on avatar to have it back in ~50 seconds, so could have used it on cd and had it back mid egg phase.
While this is less damage on egg, it's more overall. So long as it doesn't mean you have to do a third egg I'd say don't hold avatar that long, just send.
magic loom
Yeah on Belo I was really holding everything for egg as I wanted to do the maximum I could for the egg phase
I think I even held my puzzle box until the egg
But I will try to be more liberal next time
thorn citrus
Yeah, and that part is honestly ok, I would also pot on egg and want avatar for it, but if I get avatar 10 secs into egg phase that's not the end of the world
magic loom
oh yeah, the fucking pots
I always forget them
General rule of thumb I should always pot in my opener right?
But in Belo's case best to hold it for egg
thorn citrus
Pot during lust, which is often on pull.
If you can pot twice in a fight by potting on pull and in execute phase, you don't have to hold pot for lust, unless you need to get something down or it's a wipe
belo'ren being <5 min with a prio egg you lust is always a one-pot fight
magic loom
Ok it makes sense
L'ura seems like a really big fight
Atleast for now for my guild
so definitely a two pot fight
thorn citrus
Yeah I hear it's bugged since patch
And it's tough, I'm 5/9M but we still haven't done L'ura HC haha
magic loom
And it's tough, I'm 5/9M but we still haven't done L'ura HC haha
Oh wow
I found it really hard tbh
Especially P3
but its such a good fucking fight
thorn citrus
Yeah I like it
magic loom
Well I'll try to better my cooldown management and definitely remind myself about those pots
Btw, in terms of revenge did you feel I didn't overcast as much this time?
thorn citrus
I didn't take that close a look tbh, but looking at your opener you did it right, so it seemed like you were prioritizing SS and TB over revenge
magic loom
Yeah I felt I casted a lot more TB/TC and SS
Btw how do you see what stance I use on the fight?
Kind of a warcraft logs noob
thorn citrus
Select your character, click on Buffs menu, scroll down to Stances, Forms and Zeals
magic loom
oh yeah just saw it!