#H Dimensius

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polar glen
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First time clear of heroic dimmy, I wanna see how I can improve my rotation. The other war in this group has full enchants etc but i'd like to be able to keep up with people at the same ilevel better. I'm still fairly new at this game so some fundamentals arent great, any advice is appreciated. Adds phase is definitely my weakest point

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/x1J4RMvrkcVPdhpZ?fight=6&type=damage-done&source=10

foggy vapor
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alright ruby i am lex and i went over your log :)

First of all normally i dont do fight specific tips or log reviews bc i want to make ppl understand the spec not how to log but i still reviewed your dimensius log and pointed out fight specific stuff for you, lets get this started!

  • GEAR
    Lets get the elephant out of the room you mentioned you want to keep up with ppl with the same ilvl better which is a valid point seeing that's what its all about comparing yourself to ppl who have 5 ilvl more is straight up not realistic THAT SAID ppl your ilvl also want to compete with your ilvl so they do everything to get an edge on you! i took myself the freedom of simming your char (wasn't that easy bc you logged out in aoe spec hehe but i manged to change it to ST) you would gain a passive dmg inc of about ~ 5.5% or ~ 240.000 DPS if you where to enchant your gear and socket it as well! I will provide the sim ofc so you can either copy it or rerun the sim if you got some new gear :) I will link it at the end of this review!

  • a little side note to this, 5 champion track gear slots isnt doing you any favours - but you said you want to compete with ppl your ilvl that's why i keep it a side note!

  • Rotation

    • General opener
      Your opener on any boss besides dimensius should look like the following
      DpsPot(<1 sec before pull) -> Reck -> Avatar -> Charge (this will provide you with enough rage to cast Rampage and be insta enraged) -> BS -> spamming RB until one of the following conditions is true; you run out of RB stacks, you lost enrage OR you hit 5 stacks of SS (Slaughterin strikes) (I call this phase stacking up BF + SS, more to it later!) -> Rampage -> normal rotation

-Dimensius opener
I like to press the teleporter than leap back to the edge of the platform (prbly not needed bc his hitbox is so big so running back a bit is prbly also fine but i like to leap back :)) and you will open like this and get a full opener on him! also dont WW during that the adds will die too quick and your BS will hit them anyway! WW at the end when you reached the "Normal rotation" section
At the end i will provide a gif that shows me doing the opener.

  • Not making use of BF + SS stacking
    This is a "Phase" we enter after each BS (Bladestorm) during this phase we stack the Rampage amps from BF (Brutal finish) a hero tree note that makes it so that the next rampage after a BS does 50% inc dmg and the dmg am from SS this is a spec tree note that amps the dmg from Rampage by 20% for each stack, stacks are acquired via RB.
    note that during this "Phase" we ignore Rage cap!!
    Now here is how it works;
    We BS to activate BF now we spam RB until one of the following 3 conditions is true;
  1. You run out of RB charges (most likely)
  2. You LOST enrage (likely)
  3. You reached 5 stacks of SS (least likely)
    After this you rampage and get a fat rampage off, this "phase" will repeat after every BS
    note that in aoe this also applies so dont lose WW stacks having WW stacks up has higher prio than getting the msot SS stacks up!
  • Random BT(Blood thirst) casts
    So by now i talked a lot about BS, RB and Rampage so what about BT you might ask yourself? that button is absolute ass. Avoid using it as much as possible we only ever want to manually when we have LITTERALY only WW to press BT only has 1 thing that beats it at being bad and that's using WW as filler in ST dont evne use it if you have 100% crit from BC (Bloodcraze) Why do i say Manually? bc BT is automatically cast during BS :)

  • Casting Rampage too early / often
    We want to Rampage at +115 rage to ensure we minmax the GCDs between needing to be enraged again! pressing Rmpage before reaching that +115 threshold and we dont need it (we are still enraged) costs us "Free" enraged GCDs. A few reviews ago i did the math on why this matters so if you want to see it let me know i will pull it up :) that said we want to DELAY Rampage not WASTE it

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  • Sometimes you hold SD for too long
    So it seams like you know WHEN to press SD/ Execute but you dont prio it how you should. if the SD condition are true you want to use SD / Execute instantly its rly important and of UPMOST importance. the only thing that has higher prio is burst and not losing enrage you can even overcap for that one GCD if that means you use SD / Execute within the conditions
    if you dont know the conditions and you are just rly lucky tell me i will summarise them

  • Dimensius specific stuff

  • P1

  • when he knocks you guys back you leap back into melee range the better choose would be to charge in this will provide you with rage instate of nothing.

  • on the first set you switch to the add and ST them dont do that fury loses way too much dps if we target switch and also not cleaving on the boss also hurts if you switch to the add for whatever reason at least cleave on the boss but dont ever switch to the add in the first place just cleave off of it from the boss.

  • you where airborne ones that sucks and also kills your log bc you dont deal dmg to the boss for 4 seconds ish just unlucky. Also i think it goes without saying that if you want to log on this fight you do not pick up the mass and help someone CAUGHT

  • You cleaved on the last set but you started cleaving too late you had like 10 GCDs on the ST boss before you decided to cleave, and sine the add did die the dmg you did does count towards the log
    all dmg done to living mass adds do count to the log IF they die

  • P2
    Now sadly p2 is very RNG and not only varies from grp to grp but also from pull to pull bc P2 timing depend on P1 push timings but i will tell you what i do and what i suggest. When you get to P2 I sent Reck or Avatar whichever is up but i pref using Reck you will use one of these on pull when you pull the first add after that you wait until the 2 other adds are gripped in and then you sent the other big CD you didnt commit to at the start + BS and roar; Now here is where it kina becomes bad if the tank doesnt pull the big add to the wall adds as well you are kinda screwed in this case i suggest staying on the 2 adds and big add reason being that only dmg done to Voidwardens that die is counted to logs and in most cases you might cleave on 3 adds but only one will ever die in most cases! BUT if the tank is dragging the big add the 2 small adds to the wall adds you sent everything there (so the other big CD you didnt use at the start + BS + Roar) bc than you have a high chance of 2 voidwardens (wall adds lol) dying and get a better overall. I wouldn't commit more CDs after that and wait for the big add to die and go to the next platform;
    On the 2nd platfrom you will not use anything at the start and wait for the adds to spawn (you usually only have Reck up and BS bc Avatar is still on CD (or at last should be) NOW you wait with using CDs until the 2 adds get gripped in and are dragged to the wall (big add is casting aoe under him at this point and will not be moving) and this is when you sent Reck and BS - again after this i wouldnt commit any mroe CDs to it and keep them for p3

take this with a grain of salt bc thats what i do and this is what works for my guild where we have consistent dmg and timers for this phase, for you this might not be perfectly accurate

  • P3
    P3 is just ST there is nothing kinda to do there so i recommend you to check the *rotation section :)
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**Alright final words **
putting this together took me a whole day bc i had stuff come up permanently so i apologise for the late reply. Also as i mentioned before i dont rly do tips and stuff on bosses so it might not be uber perfect but i try my best to help you I try to teach ppl the fundamentals of the spec not of the fight but in your case i did both. Lastly i am not perfect so i might have overlooked sth but i think i got most of it.
I will link you the WoWhead guide from archi that goes into the prio list and which buttons have prio over each other when. He is ouer guide writer so he knows his stuff. I hope iwas able to help you at least a little bit and if you have ANY questions just ask me you can @me here or DM me or whatever you feel more comfortable doing :)

polar glen
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holy shit this is a lot more info than I expected thanks

foggy vapor
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that is slowed by .5% thats why it looks rly slow

foggy vapor
polar glen
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I was running the aoe spec on this boss because archon shows running imp whirlwind

foggy vapor
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you run aoe on it thats fine

polar glen
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which I did fail to utilize properly a lot of the time

foggy vapor
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haaha yea i noticed keeping WW up in AOE is sht that kinda gets drilled into your head when you play fury long enough

polar glen
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One bit I've been confused with for a while is sudden death/slayer strike and post bladestorm RBs

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because sudden is higher prio than rb but getting that bonus damage out on the next rampage is also integral

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Is it best to use sudden death, then rbs until enrage is low?

foggy vapor
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yes you pref using the SD proc reason being is that we get them so frequently that missing them does kinda suck missing them a lot bc you overstack with MfE stacks will cost you BS dmg and BS is our highest hitting one button

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so if you miss 18 MfE procs over the whole fight you lose an entire BS cast

polar glen
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ohhh that makes more sense

foggy vapor
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on the dimensius kill i just did with my guild i had 90 MfE procs so missing 18 isnt out of the question if you dont use them properly

polar glen
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It didn't happen in this pull but I've had some openers where the charge doesn't give me enough gauge to pop rampage instantly

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Prepopping recklessness and avatar before chsrge

foggy vapor
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yea that does happen from time to time and i think its bc you miss your AA after charging i had this happen to me today as well on forgeweaver for some reason even though mathematically it shouldn't happen Reck gives 50 and charge with reck gives 40

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than you have this weird situation on where you stare at the boss for about .5 second haha

polar glen
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just something youve gotta deal with ig

foggy vapor
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yea it doesnt happen that often but it happens every now and then

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i for example kinda pref to do Reck -> Charge -> Avatar while charging

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i do feel like that makes the risk of this happening lower but maybe also i am just coping

polar glen
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probably are coping

foggy vapor
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prbly yea

polar glen
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thanks for the advice I'll try get a better run next time

foggy vapor
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sure np if you want me to review that one again just tell me or dm me im always open to helping ppl :)

fossil imp
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Hey, i was browsing through the #1347646810457636974 to learn about fury warrior until i see this part: "if you dont know the conditions and you are just rly lucky tell me i will summarise them " If you dont mind could you summarise them pls? Really don't know when to cast execute sometimes. Again sorry to ask this in another person thread.

foggy vapor
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oh yea for sure not only can i summarise them i can also provide you with both a WA that lights up and makes a sound if these conditions are true so you dont even have to think about it AND provide you with the wowhead guide as well where you can read about it if you want to know a bit more!

  • above 20% target hp
    We want to use SD if one of these following 3 conditions is true;
  1. The target has +2MfE stacks
  2. You have 2 stacks of SD (cap)
  3. You are about to lose AJ (ashen juggernaut) (about 1~2 sec left on buff)
  • below 20% target hp
    We want to use SD / use Execute if one of the following 3 conditions is true;
  1. the target has +1MfE stacks
  2. you have 2 stacks of SD
  3. you are about to lose AJ

WeakAura link: https://wago.io/r8u4tHLRQ
WoWhead guide link: https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

Shows the icon of the conditional hit (Sudden Death, Ashen Juggernaut or Marked For Execution and duration remaining on

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@fossil imp

fossil imp
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Thanks gonna look it up right now.
Can i do a follow up question that came to mind after looking at the conditions?

foggy vapor
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sure hit me with it :)

fossil imp
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sometimes(a lot of times), i find that i ran out of RB and don't have enough rage to cast rampage. Looking at the condition for Execute, if they are not met yet, like for example having only one stack of SD but no stack of MfE, shhould i hold on execute and cast something else like bloodthirst? Or in this case can spend the SD stack and have enough rage to cast rampage?

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not sure if i was clear on the example.

foggy vapor
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if you run out of RB charges so 10. cant cast rampage 11. you press execute even if the conditions arnt met

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its a prio list it goes from top to bottom and if one point cant be done or doesnt met the requirements it goes to the next point

fossil imp
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all right! Thanks a lot for the help. Gonna download the WA and look more indepthh at the guide